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Speaker 1: Clay.

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Speaker 2: Have you heard of the Rio Reset?

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Speaker 1: Sounds like a trendy new workout, Buck, it.

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Speaker 2: Does, but it's actually a big summit going on in Brazil.

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Speaker 2: The formal name is BRICKS, which stands for Brazil, Russia, India,

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Speaker 2: China and South Africa. But they've just added five new members.

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Speaker 3: Smart move to stick with Bricks. We know what happens

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Speaker 3: when acronyms don't end. They confuse everyone.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's an understatement. Bricks is a group of emerging

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Speaker 2: economies hoping to increase their sway in the global financial order.

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Speaker 3: Now that sounds like the plot line of a movie.

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Speaker 3: I'm listening.

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Speaker 2: Philip Patrick is our Bruce Wayne. He's a precious metal

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Speaker 2: specialist and a spokesman for the Birch Gold Group. He's

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Speaker 2: on the ground in Rio getting the whole low down

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Speaker 2: on what's going on there.

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Speaker 1: Can he give us some inside intel?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, he's been there since day one. In fact, a

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Speaker 2: major theme at the summit is how Bricks Nations aim

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Speaker 2: to reduce reliance on the US dollar in global trade.

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Speaker 3: Yikes, that doesn't sound good. We got to get Philip

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Speaker 3: on the line.

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Speaker 2: Stat already did and he left the Clay and Buck

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Speaker 2: audience this message.

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Speaker 4: The world is moving on from the dollar quietly but steadily.

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Speaker 4: These nations are making real progress towards reshaping global trade,

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Speaker 4: and the US dollar is no longer the centerpiece. That

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Speaker 4: shift doesn't happen overnight. That make no mistake, It's already begun.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Philip. Protect the value of your savings account

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Speaker 2: your four oh one k r ira, all of them,

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Speaker 2: by purchasing gold and placing it into those accounts and

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Speaker 2: reducing your exposure to a declining dollar value. Text my

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Speaker 2: name Buck to ninety eight ninety eight ninety eight you

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Speaker 2: get the free information you'll need to make the right decision.

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Speaker 2: You can rely on Birch Gold Group as I do

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Speaker 2: to give you the information you need to make an

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Speaker 2: informed decision. One more time, Text my name Buck to

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Speaker 2: ninety eight ninety eight ninety eight.

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Speaker 3: Welcome in Monday edition, Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We

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Speaker 3: hope all of you had fabulous weekends, and boy, we

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Speaker 3: are jumping right into the deep end of the pool

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Speaker 3: with a major news day underway. We will discuss the

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Speaker 3: outcome of the Anchorage Summit, but already it is being

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Speaker 3: replaced by Zelenski on his way to the White House

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Speaker 3: along with many of the top leaders from throughout Europe.

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Speaker 3: This will be one of the largest collections of leaders

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Speaker 3: Here is the list, European Commissioned President Ursula Vonderline. Well,

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Speaker 3: that's not a good one to start with. I have

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Speaker 3: no idea how to pronounce that last name, Man wonder Layan,

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Speaker 3: Is that right? Italian Prime Minister Georgia. Well, anyway, Italy, France, Britain,

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Speaker 3: all going to be participating in this huge meeting. And Buck,

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Speaker 3: let's just dive right into it, because I think this

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Speaker 3: is the essence of the question. It seems to me,

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Speaker 3: and you sign off for you take issue with Mayan

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Speaker 3: out here, it seems to me that we now have

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Speaker 3: is can there be some sort of negotiated settlement slash ceasefire?

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Speaker 3: And I've got an idea of how this ends, but

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Speaker 3: you think it goes a different direction. The thing that

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Speaker 3: is Reel, the thing that Israel, the thing that Russia

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Speaker 3: that that is their primary aim here, and they have

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Speaker 1: Right now.

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Speaker 3: Ukraine is saying we will not give up any land.

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Speaker 3: I understand that argument. I think that is past. There

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Speaker 3: the most likely outcome here. Ukraine gets some form of

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Speaker 2: Yes, we now know after the meeting with Trump and Putin,

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Speaker 2: they don't have a deal. There wasn't going to be

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Speaker 2: groundwork for a deal. This is the biggest, nastiest, most

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Speaker 2: the most successful act of diplomacy from an American president

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Speaker 2: in I don't know, Clay, since Reagan bringing down the

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Speaker 2: Berlin Wall and ending the Cold War. I mean, really,

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Speaker 2: really president as we know. So this is high stakes,

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Speaker 2: the highest stakes, and yes, you're right, this is really

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Speaker 2: currently have. And that's what the Russian demand is right

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Speaker 2: It's a little bit like if you're being blackmailed, what's

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Speaker 2: then they can take more of Ukraine. That's where the

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Speaker 2: security guarantees come in now, Clay, the challenge on the

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Speaker 2: I'm sure what's happening is it's going to be European partners,

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Speaker 2: we've all seen over and over again. Sanctions are a tool.

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Speaker 2: They are not an answer. They were not an answer

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Speaker 2: just end things for you. So Clay, this is where

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Speaker 2: this is where the detailed negotiations really matter. You know,

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Speaker 2: what is a security guarante? What security guarantee for Ukraine

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Speaker 2: after this deal Russia decides to restart hostilities. I don't

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Speaker 2: And so then is what's a realistic security guarantee for

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Speaker 2: So this is tough stuff.

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Speaker 3: I'm sympathetic for Ukraine because, as you hit on, it's

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Speaker 3: not that they're concerned about necessarily how this conflict resolves.

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Speaker 2: World War one trench warfare with drones and satellite communications.

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Speaker 2: That's where we are. So you have a very detailed

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Speaker 2: Then there's a second anti tank ditch clay, and then

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Speaker 2: be very cognizant of these drones, these anti personnel drones

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Speaker 3: Trump said, And I don't know how accurate this is,

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Speaker 3: because sometimes casualties get conflated with deaths. Trump said, twenty

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Speaker 8: But all of these deals I made without even the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, we haven't done anything on that yet.

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Speaker 8: If you look back and you go back love before

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Speaker 8: We're going to be discussing it today. But we will

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Speaker 5: That's part of it.

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Speaker 8: And the people that are waiting for us, they are

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Speaker 5: They want to help out all.

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Speaker 9: Thank you, Thank you, President United States.

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Speaker 9: The United States has already given hundreds of billions of

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Speaker 9: how much more is the United States willing to give Ukraine?

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Speaker 1: And President Zelenski, how much more do you want?

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Speaker 8: I guess the number is well over three hundred billion dollars.

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Speaker 8: I was under Joe Biden, a corrupt politician, not a

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Speaker 8: if I were president, this war would have never taken place,

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Speaker 10: So first of all, we have the facility now to

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Speaker 11: Who are thankful for this program and this opportunity.

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Speaker 10: We are thankful for you or would they pay for

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Speaker 10: Can't have some money to finance this and this apart,

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Speaker 10: This is very important and it depends how much money

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Speaker 5: You mentioned the Patriots. How good are systems we have systems?

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Speaker 8: You can never have a real democracy with mail in ballots,

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Speaker 5: In the country to end mail in ballots because they're corrupt.

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Speaker 5: And do you know that we're the only country in

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Speaker 8: I believe I may be wrong, but just about the

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Speaker 8: For all of the money they spend, it's approximately ten

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Speaker 5: It's the most secure form.

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Speaker 8: So between paper ballots, very very important paper ballots, and

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Speaker 5: And the new thing is they love crime.

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Speaker 8: They're fighting me on the fact that I've made Washington,

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Speaker 5: Asked me that question, sir.

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Speaker 8: We're going to stop mail in ballots because it's corrupt.

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Speaker 8: You know, when you go to a voting booth and

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Speaker 5: You go in. They even ask me. They asked from

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Speaker 8: we got to stop mail in voting, and the Republicans

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Speaker 8: have to lead the charge the Democrats wanted because they

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Speaker 8: have horrible policy. If you have mail in voting, you're

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Speaker 8: not going to have many Democrats get elected. That's bigger

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Speaker 8: than anything having to do with redistricting, believe me. And

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Speaker 8: the Republicans have to get smart. We're not going to

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Speaker 8: have a country. I said for a long time at rallies.

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Speaker 8: You need borders and you need free and fair elections.

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Speaker 8: Those two things otherwise you don't have. We have strong borders.

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Speaker 8: Now in ninety days, mister President, we didn't have one

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Speaker 8: zero zero three months, not one person came in illegally

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Speaker 8: into our country. In fact, even I find that hard

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Speaker 8: to believe. But it's by a little bit of a

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Speaker 8: liberal group that put out the numbers.

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Speaker 5: So I guess it's zero, zero and zero. You go

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Speaker 5: back a year.

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Speaker 8: Ago, two years ago, three millions of people poured into

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Speaker 8: our country.

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Speaker 5: It was terrible, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 8: Guarantees do you need from President Trump to be able

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Speaker 8: to make a deals in American.

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Speaker 5: Troops, intelligent equipment? What is it? Everything? Really?

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Speaker 11: It includes two part First strong Ukrainian army that I

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Speaker 11: began to discuss with your colleagues, and it's a lot

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Speaker 11: about the weapon and then people and training issues and

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Speaker 11: intelligence and second will we will discuss with our own partners.

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Speaker 11: It depends on the big countries, on the United States.

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Speaker 5: On a lot of our friends.

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Speaker 7: And as to that NATO light protection in order.

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Speaker 5: To get President Zelensky to a drill today, Well, I

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Speaker 5: don't know if.

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Speaker 8: You I find it that way, but NATO, like I mean,

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Speaker 8: we're going to give. We have people waiting in another

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Speaker 8: room right now. They're all here from Europe, biggest people

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Speaker 8: in Europe, and they want to give protection. They feel

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Speaker 8: very strongly about it and will help them out with it.

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Speaker 8: I think it's very important.

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Speaker 5: I think it's I think it's very important to get

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Speaker 5: the deal.

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Speaker 12: You'll get involved with the fask keeping in Ukraine. Since

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Speaker 12: your fourth day administration, what would you say to the

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Speaker 12: Ukrainian people right now who are suffering under the Russian

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Speaker 12: ducks and hoping that the people will stabs out.

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Speaker 5: Well, I know Ukrainian people have known many over the years.

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Speaker 8: They're great people, they're smart, they're energetic, they love their country.

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Speaker 8: I mean, they love their country, and we want to

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Speaker 8: get this war ended. That's all I can do. I

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Speaker 8: love the Ukrainian people, but I love all people. I

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Speaker 8: love the Russian people, I love them all. I want

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Speaker 8: to get the war stopped.

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Speaker 2: Something, all right, So I think we can jump in

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Speaker 2: there and just I mean that that's question I think

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Speaker 2: was from Francesca Chambers. I think I couldn't really see.

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Speaker 3: But those last couple of questions Buck, I think go

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Speaker 3: to the crux of the issue. In fact, if I

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Speaker 3: were in the White House, I would have just cut

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Speaker 3: it out right there on that Trump answer, because I

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Speaker 3: think it's a good one. He's trying to bring peace.

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Speaker 3: He's not here, he's not trying to pick sides that

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Speaker 3: that stuff.

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Speaker 2: We know, the stuff about what does a security guarantee

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Speaker 2: look like? This is what I said before Trump was talking.

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Speaker 2: Before Trump said, as we were discussing this last hour, Clay,

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Speaker 2: it's gotta be if Russia breaks this new agreement, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna help blow up bad guy Russians.

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Speaker 13: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's kind of where it is everyone. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is really what the discussion is turning into.

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Speaker 3: I think, to your point, we have to have basically,

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Speaker 3: I don't see any solution other than a Korea like

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Speaker 3: solution where you have a demilitarized zone where you base

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Speaker 3: have a impenetrable line of defense and you just have

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Speaker 3: kind of this grudging agreement that there isn't going to

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Speaker 3: be crossing.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: The challenge on this Buck, as you well know, is

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Speaker 3: we were talking about this off air. The drone technology

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Speaker 3: is advancing so rapidly that having a traditional line of

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Speaker 3: defense may not matter as much in the years ahead,

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Speaker 3: because you can basically send drone armies right over the

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Speaker 3: top of these.

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Speaker 1: Sort of the entrenchments.

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Speaker 2: This is why he was talking about Patriot missiles. Air

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Speaker 2: defense is now a huge component of this. In the

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Speaker 2: First World War, you really just had to worry about

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Speaker 2: artillery coming down on you from the sky. Yeah, there

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Speaker 2: was the early Air Force stuff, and even at one

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Speaker 2: point I think they were dropping hand grenades out of planes,

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Speaker 2: and it was a very different thing in World War One.

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Speaker 2: But Clay, now it's going to be You're gonna have

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Speaker 2: these trenches because remember you have to protect against armor,

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Speaker 2: you have to protect against missiles, you have to protect

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Speaker 2: against drones, and you have protect against air strikes from

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Speaker 2: manned aircraft as well. So it's a complicated, multi layered

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Speaker 2: defense are going to have to have. Stopping people on

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Speaker 2: the ground, to your point, isn't enough because there's enough

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Speaker 2: aerial assets that the Russians can bring to bear where

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Speaker 2: they'll pummel whatever ground fortifications you have unless you have

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Speaker 2: aerial defense set up as well. So the patriot missiles,

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Speaker 2: those are for bigger the problem of patriots. They're really expensive.

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Speaker 2: They are very advanced weaponry, but they're very expensive. So

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Speaker 2: you don't want to be shooting fifty thousand dollars drones

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Speaker 2: out of the air with million dollar missiles. That's not

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Speaker 2: a good that's not a good plan. And industrial capacity

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Speaker 2: is playing a huge role in this. How many drones

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Speaker 2: of different types candy Russians churn out monthly and how

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Speaker 2: many drones can the Ukrainians to take out the Russian

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Speaker 2: drones and to defend themselves against Russian attacks on their

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Speaker 2: front lines. And remember the Iranians, the shahedrone is a

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Speaker 2: that's been a big thing in the Russian arsenal. So

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Speaker 2: they've got they've got allied countries that are giving them

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Speaker 2: industrial output assistance. So this thing is a mess. It

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Speaker 2: is a mess, and Trump is you can just see

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Speaker 2: it in his eyes too. He just wants all this

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Speaker 2: think that he is, by far Clay the best chance

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Speaker 3: all of you hanging out with us. We are rolling

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Speaker 3: through the Monday edition of the program and it is

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Speaker 3: a super newsworthy one. We just got finished with an

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Speaker 3: Oval office meeting between Trump and Zolensky, and I would

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Speaker 3: say as we work towards the idea of a trilateral meeting,

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Speaker 3: Trump is effectively.

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Speaker 1: Playing the role of mediator.

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Speaker 3: There are also probably more European leaders in the White

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Speaker 3: House at one moment than we've almost ever seen before.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you've got the leaders of France, Germany, Italy, England,

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Speaker 3: the head of NATO, basically everyone arrayed there for a

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Speaker 3: meeting to discuss the future of the Ukraine Russia conflict.

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Speaker 1: And I do think the meeting that we.

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Speaker 3: Just saw between Trump and Zelenski was light years years

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Speaker 3: different than the last time we saw Zelenski in the

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Speaker 3: Oval Office when they were negotiating the so called Mineral

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Speaker 3: Rights agreement. And all of this is moving in rapid speed.

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Speaker 3: One bit of news that came out at the end

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Speaker 3: of the press conference, and I don't think we've hardly

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Speaker 3: even mentioned it, if at all, on this program. Milanya

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Speaker 3: Trump wrote a letter that Trump hand delivered to Vladimir Putin,

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Speaker 3: calling on Putin to end the war and stop the

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Speaker 3: murder suffering that is going on in Europe. That matters

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Speaker 3: on some level because Milania Trump buck you may remember

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Speaker 3: the exact country was it. She was from the Czech

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Speaker 3: Republic area. If I remember, where's.

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Speaker 2: Milanias from Slovenia.

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Speaker 3: Slovenia, so she is familiar as someone who was born

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Speaker 3: and raised in that region in some way, with the

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Speaker 3: influence of Russia and all of those all of those

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Speaker 3: angles associated with it. Just now, Zolenski's wife has written

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Speaker 3: a letter to Milanya, thanking her, reportedly for trying to

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Speaker 3: do whatever she can to stop the war, and Zolensky

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Speaker 3: is going to deliver that letter from his wife to Milanya.

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Speaker 3: Trump I mentioned that only in the context of personal

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Speaker 3: relationships is everything to Trump, and you can argue, Hey,

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Speaker 3: that shouldn't be the case. There's huge state departments. Trump

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Speaker 3: wants to look in the eye of someone else and

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Speaker 3: have a handshake, agreement or a relationship. It seems to me,

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Speaker 3: Buck that the relationship between Trump and Zolensky is actually

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Speaker 3: much stronger now than it was back in Was it

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Speaker 3: February when they had the Oval Office blow up? If

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Speaker 3: I remember correctly, I think it was February they had

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Speaker 3: that iconic head to head meeting after the Pope died

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Speaker 3: in Rome in the Vatican City, And it seems like

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Speaker 3: their relationships have been improving since. Uh Slovenia by the

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Speaker 3: way for those of you who are not geographic experts,

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Speaker 3: and I would put myself firmly in this category. Slovenia

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Speaker 3: was a part of Yugoslavia prior to becoming an independent

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Speaker 3: nation in nineteen ninety one. Just fyi, okay, let me

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Speaker 3: play some of these cuts that all just came out

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Speaker 3: in the last.

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Speaker 1: Hour or so. Let's see.

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Speaker 3: Trump says there could be a trilateral meeting right off

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Speaker 3: the top here cut thirty two.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're gonna have a meeting.

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Speaker 8: I think, well, if everything works out well today, we'll

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Speaker 8: have a trilad and I think there will be a

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Speaker 8: reasonable chance of ending the world when we do that.

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Speaker 9: Is this the end of the road for American support

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Speaker 9: today's meeting, deal or no deal.

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Speaker 8: I can never say that. It's never the end of

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Speaker 8: the word. People are being killed and we want to

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Speaker 8: stop that, so I would not say it's the end

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Speaker 8: of the road. No, I think we have a good

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Speaker 8: chance of doing it.

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Speaker 5: It's been almost.

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Speaker 8: Four years now that a lot of people were killed

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Speaker 8: last week, A lot of people last week. I mean

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Speaker 8: millions of people killed, but a lot of people last

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Speaker 8: week for whatever reason, a big number, a lot of

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Speaker 8: soldiers both on both sides, and I know the president,

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Speaker 8: I know myself, and I believe Vladimir Putin wants to

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Speaker 8: see it ended.

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Speaker 7: And as you never put on Friday to say presidential

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Speaker 7: as he here, as you listen to Russia and Ukraine,

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Speaker 7: which side has the better car us.

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Speaker 8: Well, I don't want to say that. I'm just going

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Speaker 8: to I'm just here to be Look, this isn't my war.

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Speaker 8: This is Joe Biden's war. He's the one that.

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Speaker 5: Had a lot to do with this happening.

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Speaker 8: And we want to get it ended, and we wanted

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Speaker 8: to end good for everybody.

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Speaker 5: We wanted to end good. The people of Ukraine have

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Speaker 5: suffered incredibly.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let me hit you with a couple of others here, buck,

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Speaker 3: and then we'll break down what we think the significance

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Speaker 3: is here. Cut thirty seven. Trump says we want a

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Speaker 3: long term piece. We're not looking for a short term deal.

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Speaker 3: I think that's important. Cut thirty seven.

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Speaker 8: We're going to work with Ukraine, We're going to work

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Speaker 8: with everybody, and we're going to make sure that if

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Speaker 8: this piece, the piece is going to stay long term.

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Speaker 5: This is very longfam.

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Speaker 8: We're not talking about a two year piece and then

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Speaker 8: we end up in this mess again. We're going to

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Speaker 8: make sure that everything's could. We'll work with Russia, We're

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Speaker 8: going to work with Ukraine. We're going to make sure

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Speaker 8: it works.

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Speaker 5: And I think if we can get to piece, it's

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Speaker 5: going to work. I have no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So Buck and let me play one more time,

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Speaker 3: because I think this is probably the most newsworthy element.

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Speaker 3: Trump not ruling out sending American troops to Ukraine. This

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Speaker 3: is cut thirty four. I think that was the biggest

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Speaker 3: news that came out of this pres avaiability in the

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Speaker 3: Oval Office.

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Speaker 1: Cut thirty four.

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Speaker 5: Just talked about security guarantees, quit involved. US troops would

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Speaker 5: be ruled that out in the future. Will let you

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Speaker 5: know that maybe later today.

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Speaker 8: We're meeting with seven great leaders of great countries also and.

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Speaker 5: We'll be talking about that.

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Speaker 8: They'll all be involved, but there'll be a lot of uh,

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Speaker 8: there'll be a lot of help when it comes to security.

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Speaker 5: There's gonna be a lot of help. It's going to

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Speaker 5: be good.

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Speaker 8: They are a fresh line of defense because they're there,

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Speaker 8: they're Europe.

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Speaker 5: But we're gonna help them out. Also, we'll be involved.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's the big that's the biggest thing of

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Speaker 2: all here, the land issue, the swaps. You get this.

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Speaker 2: I get that it's gonna be painful for Ukraine because

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Speaker 2: they don't think they should lose anything to Russian aggression.

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Speaker 2: But the realities are what they are right now, and

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Speaker 2: that I think you can get to a negotiated settlement

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Speaker 2: right now. The challenge is how does that settlement endure,

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Speaker 2: and how does it endure specifically without US either guarantee

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Speaker 2: of security, meaning we would send in actual military to

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Speaker 2: help repulse another Russian I'm just laying it out everybody,

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Speaker 2: this is where we are. I'm not advocating for it.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about what it would mean. I think we

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Speaker 2: can all see what it would mean, or as Clay

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Speaker 2: was laying it out before, the possibility of a US

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Speaker 2: military presence in Ukraine as the ultimate guaranteur of peace

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Speaker 2: in the region, because you know, if you have Russian

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Speaker 2: tanks rolling over and shooting at Americans, that's going to

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Speaker 2: mean immediately we're involved. But I understand what that also means.

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Speaker 2: Russia thousands of nukes, major military, first world, first world military,

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Speaker 2: if not a first world economy. Uh, and it's it's

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Speaker 2: a challenge. I wonder how now the Trump has to

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Speaker 2: be clear. Trump hasn't said that's happening. Maybe that doesn't happen.

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Speaker 2: But we are trying to think here through Clay what

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Speaker 2: does it get. You know, guarantee is a very powerful word.

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Speaker 2: What is a guarantee acceptable to Ukraine at this point

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Speaker 2: that does not involve a clear US maybe an EU

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Speaker 2: contingent instead. But I don't see how you get around that.

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Speaker 2: I think there's so many ways to tiptoe up.

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Speaker 3: First of all, when we did the mineral rights agreement,

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Speaker 3: it is a backdoor acknowledgment that will defend American interest

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Speaker 3: in Ukraine. That's why Ukraine wanted to do the deal.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't talked about a lot. But when you say, hey,

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Speaker 3: America owns fifty percent of this mine effectively, then you

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Speaker 3: are saying we're not gonna let somebody come in and

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Speaker 3: take away American property. So it is a backdoor defense.

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Speaker 3: Part of me wonders whether they're gonna get really skillful

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Speaker 3: in the way that this is drafted. Maybe Europe is

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Speaker 3: providing some secondary and maybe let me use my vocabulary. Well,

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Speaker 3: here the American are the tertiary troops and so you

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Speaker 3: have think about this, and again this is just me

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Speaker 3: kind of sketching out. You have the Ukrainian troops on

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Speaker 3: the front line, and Ukraine is staring right across at

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Speaker 3: Russia in some sort of newly designed battlefield setup that

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Speaker 3: is not dissimilar to what we have in Korea. In

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Speaker 3: secondary support, you have so called European peace peace keeping

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Speaker 3: troops that are basically a secondary line of defense further back,

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Speaker 3: maybe it's fifty miles, sixty miles, whatever you want to do,

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Speaker 3: but do have the ability to move to the front

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Speaker 3: rapidly as needed. Then in a third tier, in a

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Speaker 3: tertiary level, you have American troops on the ground, protecting,

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Speaker 3: securing all of the economic interests of the United States.

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Speaker 3: But that is all the way back, maybe in Kiev,

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Speaker 3: right very far from the front lines. Is that an

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Speaker 3: acceptable backdoor ish NATO Article five protection without officially being it,

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Speaker 3: meaning Russia has to invade in order for those troops

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Speaker 3: to get called in from line two in line three.

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Speaker 3: And then the other part of this buck that I

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Speaker 3: wonder about is how much does Trump just trust that

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Speaker 3: Putin's not going to test him? That matters, but only

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Speaker 3: for the next three years. Oh, because if you suddenly

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Speaker 3: had President Kamala Harris, do you feel comfortable that Putin?

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Speaker 1: Who knows?

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Speaker 3: Again, Putin can play the long game a bit here,

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Speaker 3: because he's got twenty years in theory to still be president,

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Speaker 3: and he knows at some point sadly in those twenty years,

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Speaker 3: maybe the United States has Joe Biden two point zero

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Speaker 3: and he takes advantage of that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, we all know Kamala is not going

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Speaker 2: to run again, Clay. But besides that point, if it's

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Speaker 2: President Newsom or President Kamala Harris, that will change the

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Speaker 2: calculation for Vladimir Putin, no question about it. I do

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Speaker 2: think though, that we're in a situation where Trump is

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Speaker 2: he's going to be negotiating and this thing, and he

776
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 2: might have to come out and tell the Magabase, hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: this is the only way to get this done, or

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Speaker 2: else this thing grinds on forever, and then there's a

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Speaker 2: greater risk of possible American Russian direct conflict. And then

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Speaker 2: of course there's always that specter in the background of

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Speaker 2: some kind of a tactical nuclear exchange on the front lines.

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Speaker 2: Now nobody wants that. I hope it doesn't come to

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Speaker 2: US troops as the guarantee. I'm just trying to think

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Speaker 2: of what this was why we talked about the sanctions thing.

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Speaker 2: Anything that is, oh, we're gonna make Russia's economy beg

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Speaker 2: for mercy is not a guarantee of Ukrainian security. That's

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Speaker 2: what we've already seen. Oka There is nothing that they

788
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: can promise on the economic warfare front against Russia that

789
00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 2: would make any savvy Ukrainian think that that's actually a guarantee.

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Speaker 2: It's a stumbling block to Russian aggression at best. So

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Speaker 2: with that, it's got to be military. I'm also reminded

792
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Speaker 2: here of Clay of how right Trump was all along,

793
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Speaker 2: even in his first term, about how NATO needs to

794
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Speaker 2: step up, NATO needs to spend more in its defense,

795
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Speaker 2: Europe needs to stop being a bunch of free riders.

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Speaker 2: EU is the largest economy in the world. Everybody, the

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Speaker 2: EU is the largest economy in the world, you know,

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Speaker 2: the Eurozone. Now, obviously it's a lot of different countries

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Speaker 2: put together, but why is America by far the biggest

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Speaker 2: contributor to this in materiel And why isn't you know,

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Speaker 2: why isn't Europe stepping up and realizing you know, all

802
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 2: those fancy social welfare states you got running, guys, it's

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Speaker 2: only because of the American security guarantee you've been able

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Speaker 2: to get that going.

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Speaker 3: And I thought part of the press conference that was

806
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Speaker 3: actually interesting and illuminating in that aspect was Trump pointing

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Speaker 3: out NATO spending has gotten to basically five percent or

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Speaker 3: they have that target.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: The way that this is structured since Trump came into

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Speaker 3: office is we sell weapons to NATO, and then NATO

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Speaker 3: then provides those weapons to Ukraine. In some way, it

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Speaker 3: sounded like that was the way that he was describing it.

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Speaker 2: This is the role of Pakistan, by the way, in

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Speaker 2: the Soviet Afghan War and the Pakistani ISI Interservices intelligence agency,

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Speaker 2: they were the cutouts for us to get the stingers

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Speaker 2: and the other weaponry. You know, you guys remember Charlie

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Speaker 2: Wilson's war to bring that up again, But it was

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Speaker 2: the Pakistani intelligence services because they could operate in that region. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: the Europeans are already in country and can pass along

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Speaker 2: whenever we need them to pass along. I would also

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Speaker 2: point this out, President Trump has got such a connection

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Speaker 2: with his base and with the Republican Party in general.

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Speaker 2: I think that a lot of people just trust him

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Speaker 2: to get a deal done, and I think that gives

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Speaker 1: I think people trust Trump to keep us out of war.

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Speaker 3: I really do, and I do think that that gives

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Speaker 3: him negotiating leverage to try to get a deal done.

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Speaker 3: The thing that Russia wants, again, I think is always

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Speaker 3: Ukraine wants security. That's their number one goal. We can

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Speaker 2: cleanup on Aisle Buck here. Sorry, I got a stat

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Speaker 2: wrong and it's an important one, so maya Kulpa give

874
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: me a code read. At one point in the twenty

875
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 2: first century, the EU had a larger economy than the US.

876
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: I think was around two thousand and eight. The team

877
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: just pulled up all the numbers.

878
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: But we have.

879
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: Absolutely smoked the EU over the last fifteen years or

880
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: so in terms of GDP growth. So we're at about

881
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: what is it like, we're the day They all the

882
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: European countries combined are about twenty trillion. We're about thirty trillion.

883
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 2: So sorry, sorry, sorry. Their population is larger than ours.

884
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: They've got about four hundred and fifty million. We've got

885
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 2: about three hundred and thirty depending on how you want

886
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: to count the illegals. But you know, the whole other thing.

887
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 2: But so they have a bigger population manpower. But in

888
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 2: terms of you know, we're talking about the Ukraine situation,

889
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 2: but in terms of material monetary resources. What an astonishing

890
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: stat in favor of the US approach of things. By

891
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: the way, it's not even close. Over the last fifteen

892
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: years we have absolutely It turns out working twenty hours

893
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 2: a week and like three days a week, and you know,

894
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: having eight weeks off a year doesn't make you as

895
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Speaker 2: rich as what Americans do, So Maya coulp all VIPs.

896
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Buck is fallible on both serving and stats,

897
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: although the serve game is not over yet. Let's take

898
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Speaker 2: our friend Frank Gaffney here. Frank Gaffney was President Reagan's

899
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy. Also served

900
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Speaker 2: as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Nuclear Forces

901
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: and Arms Control policy. Frank, appreciate you being here. I'm

902
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: sure you saw what's going on in that Trump White

903
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: House in that meeting. Can we just dive into the

904
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: security guarantee part, because that's the sticky situation that seems

905
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 2: to be emerging right now. What do you make of it?

906
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Speaker 13: Well, it's sticky all the way around, just the best

907
00:48:55,400 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 13: I can tell. On the one hand, I'm incredulous that

908
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Speaker 13: Vladimir Putin will actually accept it. I'm also somewhat surprised

909
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 13: that President Trump apparently has in some form or another.

910
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 13: And you know, whether it's enough to persuade the Ukrainians

911
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 13: to relinquished territory that they've lost, to be frank, but

912
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Speaker 13: nonetheless seek to recover, remains very much to be seen.

913
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Speaker 13: So it is what the Brits would call, I think

914
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Speaker 13: a sticky wicket in the cricket gain.

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Speaker 1: Frank.

916
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Speaker 3: It seems that basically this is boiled down to Russia's

917
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 3: going to demand territory, Ukraine's going to demand security guarantees.

918
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 3: I mean that seems to be the primary goal of

919
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 3: each side at this point. How does this resolve itself?

920
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: Is there any parallel in the Cold War? The analogy

921
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 3: we've been using is Korea. You have a demilitarized zone.

922
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 3: It's been a tenuous piece, but it now has lasted

923
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Speaker 3: for seventy five some odd years. Ish, is there any

924
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 3: precedent there? How would you solve this this situation if

925
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 3: you were given the ability to act as mediator, Well, I.

926
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Speaker 13: Would do one thing that, as far as I can tell,

927
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Speaker 13: is not on the table or even being discussed, and

928
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Speaker 13: that is I would hold the Chinese Communist Party accountable

929
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Speaker 13: for the fix that we're in at the moment. I

930
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Speaker 13: believe that they Jijing thing specifically green lighted the invasion

931
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Speaker 13: of Iraq, excued me out of Ukraine, and in so

932
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 13: doing has been ever since the enabler of this war.

933
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Speaker 13: I think they did it for selfish reasons. I believe

934
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Speaker 13: that it is to distract the United States and the Europeans,

935
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Speaker 13: to tie us down to bleed us in terms of

936
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Speaker 13: military equipment and financial means, and that all serves the

937
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 13: purpose China for its own agenda out in the Pacific.

938
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Speaker 13: So I would start by saying, those guys have to

939
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Speaker 13: be held accountable for what's being done here, and without that,

940
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 13: I honestly am not sure that the Russians will agree

941
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Speaker 13: to anything. I think as long as the Chinese believe,

942
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Speaker 13: as they've indicated, that this war should continue, the much

943
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Speaker 13: junior partner in this so called no limits partnership name

944
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Speaker 13: with Vladimir Putin is probably going to be heating his

945
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 13: bosses in Beijing. So it's a challenge that is not

946
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Speaker 13: currently being addressed, as I said, and I think that

947
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Speaker 13: until it does, it's not clear to me that any

948
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Speaker 13: of these negotiations amount the bunch.

949
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Speaker 2: So we're still hoping for breakthrough breakthroughs here, Frank, and

950
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Speaker 2: we're going to get more details about where the Ukrainian

951
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 2: side comes down on this. It seems like there's a

952
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 2: willingness for Zelensky to sit down with Putin, which is

953
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 2: certainly a necessary precondition for the trilateral trilateral discussion, if

954
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Speaker 2: not trilatal agreement to come out of this. What, though,

955
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 2: do you think what can Trump do to pressure the

956
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: Russians to actually be willing to end this thing? Because

957
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 2: that's one thing that's getting a lot of attention right now.

958
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 2: As this is going on, as these discussions are happening,

959
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 2: and Trump was saying it in the Oval Office, the

960
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 2: Russians are escalating their offensive. The Russians are trying to

961
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 2: run up more casualties on the Ukrainian side as we're

962
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 2: supposed to see conversations about peace. So do you think

963
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: all the economic levers have been pulled? How can Trump

964
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 2: get through to Putin that he won't just continue to

965
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,439
Speaker 2: get more if he keeps fighting.

966
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 13: Well again, Trump has placed secondary sanctions on India for

967
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 13: buying Russian oil at this kount of Prisis. The Chinese

968
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 13: are also doing that, and I think if Trump wants

969
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 13: to bring real pressure to bear on Putin. Put those

970
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 13: secondary sanctions on China, and I think you'll see that

971
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 13: there's probably a willingness to get to an agreement that

972
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 13: doesn't exist at the moment. That's what I would do.

973
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 3: How do you preserve Okay, let's pretend that Ukraine, because

974
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 3: this is where I do think Zolensky has a maybe

975
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 3: the most important argument. Let's say that he says, Okay,

976
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 3: we're going to give you some of the territory that

977
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 3: you have invaded that we don't think you deserve. But

978
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 3: you took this land, and we're going to draw a

979
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 3: new border. But based on the way Putin has behaved

980
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 3: over the last ten years, how do you, if you're Zolensky,

981
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 3: knowing that Trump only has three and a half years

982
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 3: left in office, keep any kind of security apparatus or

983
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 3: faith in this deal when Putin has shown that he

984
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 3: will not abide by any sort of agreement not to

985
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 3: invade again, meaning as soon as Trump leaves and you

986
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 3: end up with another week democrat in office, Putin tries

987
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 3: to take another bite at the apple. In other words,

988
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 3: I'm actually sympathetic to Zelenski. The security guarantee seem to

989
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 3: be to me, the most important thing for Ukraine. I

990
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 3: don't understand how you change that dynamic.

991
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 13: I'm not sure you can again, unless there is some

992
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 13: disincentive to putin that is not evident at the moment.

993
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 13: To the contrary, I think that, but he is signaling

994
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 13: in his behavior to date for sure, and arguably in

995
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 13: some of his posturing at the moment, is he's leaving

996
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 13: his options open, and that means that a security guarantee

997
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 13: is necessary. I'm just not sure that the United States

998
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 13: has the appetite for it, and if it does, whether

999
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 13: it will be broadly, you know, supported by the American people,

1000
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 13: who has tucked ourselves into a position where a lot

1001
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 13: of folks, particularly in the Maga community, are persuaded that

1002
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 13: Ukraine's not our problem and we certainly don't want to

1003
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 13: put American boots or lives on the line to protect it.

1004
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 13: I like you, I think, have some sympathy for the

1005
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 13: argument that the Ukrainians are making, especially because back in

1006
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 13: ninety four we gave them security guarantees if they gave

1007
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 13: up nuclear weapons and that went over the side, and

1008
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 13: they're rightfully, I think, very reluctant to buy that pig

1009
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 13: in a poke.

1010
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,720
Speaker 1: Again, what do you make.

1011
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 2: Of the argument that has been out there among some

1012
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 2: of the more hawkish Ukraine supporters in this country that

1013
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 2: if Putin isn't stopped definitively in Ukraine, he will go

1014
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 2: into other countries in Europe. Because you're hearing less of

1015
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 2: that right now, because I think everyone's focused on this

1016
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 2: current negotiation. But that has certainly been something that people

1017
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 2: have been saying Aboutsh's intentions.

1018
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 13: I think that is Putin's intention. He's made no secret

1019
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 13: that he thinks the greatest disaster of the twentieth century

1020
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 13: was the fall of the old Soviet Union. I think

1021
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 13: he seeks to, if not re establish it fully than

1022
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,720
Speaker 13: some fashion of the Russian Empire, and that means bites

1023
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 13: of parts of Europe again, and I had to belabor

1024
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 13: this point, but I think in some measure it's a

1025
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 13: function of whether he's going to have the backing and

1026
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 13: support of China to do such a thing. And unless

1027
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 13: we get serious about dissuading the Chinese from thinking that

1028
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 13: more chaos, what I call strategic arson, is something that

1029
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 13: they can pursue with impunity, you're going to find, I

1030
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 13: think Putin believing that he can in fact, similarly act

1031
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 13: with impunity if not immediately down the road.

1032
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's say we don't get any sub and

1033
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 3: at all, we're coming up on the winter. Typically things

1034
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 3: kind of grind to a halt just based on the

1035
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 3: difficulties in moving men and material based on.

1036
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: The weather there. How long would this go on?

1037
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 3: In your mind, if both sides just continue basically on

1038
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 3: the trajectory were on right now.

1039
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 13: Well, something that's changed in the course of this war

1040
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 13: is that it's not all about you know, the movement

1041
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 13: of mechanized divisions. That gets very tricky in the winter time,

1042
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 13: especially the muddy periods at the beginning and end of it.

1043
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 13: But what I think you're going to be seeing more

1044
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 13: of is more attacks of rockets and drones. Especially the

1045
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 13: war can continue. That is a question of resources on

1046
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 13: the part of the Ukrainians. It's particularly human resources, and

1047
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 13: seemingly the Russians being bankrolled by the Chinese again and

1048
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 13: getting all kinds of equipment for the war from Iran.

1049
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 13: If it's well, as they're still in power there, I

1050
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 13: hope that that will be something else that we attend

1051
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 13: to and bring to a close.

1052
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 2: Rank a god with Reagan, you were privy to high

1053
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 2: level discussions of this nature. You know what the feel

1054
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 2: is like, what the tone is like when things are

1055
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 2: progressing versus when things are stalling. How would you gauge

1056
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 2: your optimism at what we've seen so far today, added

1057
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 2: to what we saw Friday in Alaska.

1058
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 13: I think it's a work in progress. And my guess

1059
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 13: is that what we're going to see more of is

1060
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 13: posturing and a decision that there's more meetings to be had.

1061
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 13: So I think that this is not yet ripe for

1062
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 13: a conclusion. I hope I'm wrong, but I think there

1063
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 13: are pieces of this that haven't yet been addressed, as

1064
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 13: I say, and that means this will continue at the

1065
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 13: talking stage, I suppose, as well as the warring stage

1066
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 13: while the talking goes on.

1067
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 3: Thank you, Frank, We appreciate the time and you coming

1068
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 3: on and sharing your expertise with.

1069
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 13: Us, happy to do it. Thanks for having me.

1070
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,320
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1071
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 3: a little bit of an uplift as there's been some

1072
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,880
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1073
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:28,919
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1074
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Speaker 3: have a beer is football. And I know my son's

1075
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1076
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1077
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1078
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1081
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1082
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1083
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1084
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