WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 2/23: Position-by-Position NFL Scouting Combine Preview 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:06.800 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:11.760 Lazar and Alex Barth. Lazar Lazar, well, everybody nailed it. 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:18.119 He joined us, always buying our Bard match. Here is 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:21.479 Evan Lazar and Alex barks for years. I bring this 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:23.680 guy up and Evan rolls's eyes at me. We did 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.240 it with Troy Anderson last year. We did it with 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:29.040 all of these guys last year, we did past years. 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:33.120 But this guy's a hog Molly, Alex. This guy's nasty. 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.680 He's nasty, all right. He buries people into the ground, 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:40.600 he turns him out. The problem is is he's a 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:51.320 freaking guard. Two. There we go. I still don't think 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:55.440 your micson. I think there. All right, We're good, We're good. 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:59.120 It's okay, all right, we're in Matt behind the Glass. 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:02.600 Got a lot going on today. We understand and still 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.640 love Cody Mock, but we're not gonna do Cody Mock today. 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:09.559 Today is a big show. We're gonna preview the NFL 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:12.679 Combine coming up next week in Indianapolis. I will be 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:15.800 going to the combine with Deuce with Mike Dusseau at 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:18.440 Patriots dot com and we'll be covering it there for 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:21.080 Patriots dot Com all week long, and we'll do a 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:24.039 Catch twenty two as well. Alex will be here in studio, 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:26.840 he'll drive the ship and I'll call in and we'll 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:30.200 do a Catch twenty two with me and Indy next week, 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:32.720 so we'll still have the show. So I'm really looking 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:34.920 forward to it. I love the Combine. The Combine is 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:39.119 my favorite NFL event on the calendar. Big underpants Olympics guy. 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.560 I love the Underpan's Olympics, but I really like getting 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:44.720 to talk to the prospects and the interviews. I think 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:48.520 that's really cool. This is not to throw shate at 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:50.600 the Shrine Bowl, but we get the first round guys 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:52.760 in this right, so we get the top of the 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:55.000 of the top, the cream of the crop come to 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:58.400 the Combine. I also really just love I love the 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:02.800 idea of this being like NFL spring Break, where every 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.600 single decision maker in the league is in one place 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:07.320 for a week. You just want to go rob Elbos. 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:09.000 You just want to feel famous. Of course, that's all 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.040 it is. Of Course, Evan doesn't like the Combine for 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:12.720 the football. He just wants to feel like a big shot. 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.040 To be honest with you, the combine really isn't about 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.960 the football in some respects. A lot of the deals 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.200 that get done in the off season start at Saint 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:24.480 Elmo's at two o'clock in the morning when everybody's had 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:26.880 a few too many. Like that's just the bottom line. 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.920 It's absolutely true. I'm gonna need this little bit clipped. 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.000 So when Evan texts me next week and it's like, 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:33.639 I can't believe him on the road again, I can't 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.280 believe I'm traveling that, Like, I can just reply to 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.440 him with this, No, the combine. I don't get like 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:43.079 that about the combine. Combines great US, It's draft, it's football. 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:48.160 It's obviously going and getting some shrimp at Saint Elmo's 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.200 and maybe you see Andy Reid sitting at the bar 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.480 eating a cheeseburger, Like that's what the combine's all about. 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:55.600 You just want to feel like a big shot. You 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:57.960 can go and sit in the lobby of you know, 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:02.079 the JW and entire every GM al thirty two of 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.000 them are gonna come walk and buy at some point. 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.800 That's the combine, Hollywood. Evan just wants to star watch that. 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:09.839 You're not wrong. You look at you just you never 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.280 know you never know who you might bump into, You 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:14.280 never know who you might walk by, and then all 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.440 of a sudden you have a conversation. And even if 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:19.880 it doesn't come to anything, even if you don't learn anything, 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:22.359 at least you got in front of that person, right, 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:25.919 You got a face to face with somebody important. It's cool. 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.880 So here's why I like to combine. We do. And 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:30.440 by the way, you can do this not having to 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:34.079 be they're not having to go reb elbows. We talk 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.160 about all these projections, right and the board looks like this, 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:39.280 and this guy's projected to go here. But we do 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:41.840 that now because it's what we have. You don't get 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:45.160 the first real like so much can change with combine. Yes, 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:48.080 that first, those first mocks coming out of the combine, 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:51.600 that first projected board after is when you really start 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.240 to get a good idea of who's going to go. 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:59.400 Where there are players right now that realistically one person 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.640 could project to go in the first round, one person 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:04.160 could project to go in the third round, and both 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:07.120 like there's a case for both. There's some positions where 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:11.200 the top three four five players you can stack up 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:13.560 in any order with those five, and there's an argument 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.560 for all of it, we really start to sort some 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.159 of that out. Like you said earlier, consensus after this 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:21.760 is right, especially a lot of these top guys, they 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:23.360 don't go to the Senior Bowl to Shrine Bowl, any 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:25.479 of them, right, Right, We've talked about this with the tackles. 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:26.960 We don't know what this tackle group is going to 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.120 look like. The receivers too, And we'll get into some 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:31.840 of this as we go throughout the show, right, But 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:34.279 we're actually going to get to start to kind of 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:36.520 sort some of these things out. And how many times 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:38.280 we said, well we'll see about this at the Combine, 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.040 or we'll see about that at the combine or arm 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.760 length or forty time. I'm very excited to put those 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.560 qualifiers to the side and actually get that information. Yeah, 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:47.800 it's a great point, and that's what I'll be doing. Well, 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.320 you're trying to, like, you know, follow any read into 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:56.039 an elevator, So peak following Andy read into an elevator. 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.800 I'm sure you remember this. My very very first year 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.400 at the Combine, I flew out on the very last day. 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:04.920 I had no idea what I was doing. I didn't 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.120 know that you could leave early, right, I didn't know 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.119 that was a thing. I didn't know that you didn't 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.159 have to be there for all eight days or whatever 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:12.960 it is, because I had no idea what I was doing. 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:15.400 So I was there the whole time. I took the 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:19.840 very last flight on Sunday night after everything was over, 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:25.200 out of Indianapolis to Boston, and everybody besides Bill Belichick 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:27.440 from the Patriots organization was on the plane with me 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:30.160 all the everyone. Weren't you like sitting next to Ernie 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.600 at the gate. Yeah, Ernie Adams was just sitting there 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:36.960 at the gate, and I asked him one question. I 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.279 didn't want to overstep, right, so I went up to 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:42.640 him and said, hey, Ernie Evan Lazar. You know where 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:46.360 I worked at the time. And I said to Ernie, 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.920 what's the combine like for you? Like, what is that? 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.400 And he said to me that it's a fact finding mission. 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:57.320 That this is nothing to do with We've already done tape, 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.520 we've already done evaluations, we've already done all that. But 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:05.400 it's medicals, it's interviews, and it's really filling out the 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:08.880 scouting report and finalizing and crossing teas and dotting eyes 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:10.920 and getting to know some of the kids a little 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.320 bit more. That you maybe don't know very well yet 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:16.360 and that sort of thing. So along those lines, I think, 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:19.040 so that's why I said, and I was half joking 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:23.680 about about the bar, but the medicals and the interviews, 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:25.679 the meetings, I should have brought that up to Seeing 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.040 who's meeting with who is also a big thing, especially 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.919 for I think we both have players in this draft 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:33.000 that we like that for one reason or another, the 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.120 meetings are going to be very important. Exactly, and those medicals, right, 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.320 A lot of these kids are I keep saying that, 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:40.680 like I'm a ninety A lot of these guys are 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:44.200 coming off of Hey, they're just kids, man. At that reference, 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.040 you don't watch college football. A lot of these guys 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:49.960 are coming off season ending injuries, nagging injuries, some of 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:53.440 them opted out of bowl games due to quote unquote injuries. Right, 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:55.400 So you got to learn a lot of that type 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.680 of stuff too. But I think also for us, and 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.880 then I want to get into the actual part of 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:02.760 the show we want to do here. I think for us, 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:06.640 we I wish I had Zebra technology and all that 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.440 type of stuff where I got the next gen miles 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.360 per hour on every wide receiver, but we don't necessarily 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:17.520 have that, So I think forty times can really solidify 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.280 a guy. Okay, this guy's fast, right like Zay Flowers, 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:23.920 we all think he's fast. Yeah, is he? Does that 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.400 get confirmed in the forty yard dash? Does a guy 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.800 run a lot faster or slower in the forty yard dash? 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:32.640 And maybe you were expected? Let the kid go back 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:34.360 and watch when I give you a couple of examples. 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:35.480 And it can also be by the way he says 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:38.280 a Flowers is fast, Jordan Habits is also fast? Who's faster? 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:43.880 Last year, Taekwon Thornton was Some people had him like 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:45.760 fifth round was the highest I saw him. Some people 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:49.080 had him going undrafted going into the combine. Yeah, maybe 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.440 some people want to say the Patriots overdrafted him at fifty, 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.800 but he was expected to be a top one hundred pick. 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:55.920 He went from friends draft to top one hundred pick. 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:59.200 Then there was David Bell from Perdue, remember him, who 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.280 was the first everybody had him as a first round pick. 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.160 Some people had him as their top wide receiver on 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.960 the board. He ended up going He ran a bad 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:07.560 forty end up going in the third round, and some 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:10.360 people thought that was too high for him. So that's 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.000 not gonna be every player, but there's gonna be a 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.600 handful of players we like who are gonna fall way 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.240 down after this. And there's gonna be some players either 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.080 And you remember this, I was in on tai quad 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.680 before the Combine. There's gonna be a handful of players. 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:27.160 Why do I always have to do that? I don't 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.560 have I don't have the fifty thousand Twitter followers and 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:32.880 the New England Patriots behind me like Evan Lazard does, 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:36.640 so I have to make sure I get my message out. Wow. Anyway, 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:38.520 the point being, there's gonna be some players we really like, 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:40.800 and maybe right now we have an idea of who 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:42.760 some of those guys might be who are gonna fall 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.480 way down in the rankings, and we're gonna think a 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.520 lot less of coming out of this as football players. 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:50.040 And maybe there's some guys that either that either we 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.320 don't think highly of right now, we aren't even on 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:56.000 our radar, that are gonna shoot up. Pierre Strong was 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.800 a guy last year, Isaiah Pacheco, both of them, neither 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:00.960 of them were really on my radar going into the combine. 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:04.280 They tied for the fastest forty art dash and then 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:05.800 you know, you start to look and it's like, hey, 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:09.880 there's actually something here. Yeah, so the board's gonna change. 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:14.360 It's all about confirming your priors or not confirming your priors, right, Like, 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.080 that's that's what the combine is for for for people 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.199 like us especially. I think teams nowadays. The reason why 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.240 I brought up like Zebra and next gen and all 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.920 that kind of stuff is because I think teams nowadays 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.080 have that type of data where maybe they rely more 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:32.600 on in game speed data than forties. But I still 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.880 think the forty matters, and I still think that the 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.160 combine matters as a whole, is an important part of 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:39.560 this whole process. I think there's an element of you 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.160 always here. It's the most important job interview right of 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:46.080 their lives. Maybe he's fast, but like this thing's clearly important. 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.480 Did he get himself ready for it? How seriously did 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.640 he take this? It's not just that he's fast, it's 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:54.960 that he got himself in position best time. Let's face it, 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:57.400 nobody is going out on a football field and running 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.680 a three code, right, So that's a skill that you 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.520 train for leading up to the combine, and you have 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:04.480 to learn it to a degree, right, You have to 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:06.440 learn the technique, and you have to learn the best 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:09.080 ways to run it. So can you pick that up quickly? 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:11.640 Can you grasp things quickly? Can you move that way? 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:13.680 All those things I think are part of it. I 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:18.199 know I've heard guys after their rookie year where you know, 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:19.640 we'll talk to guys be like, well, what are you 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:21.679 looking forward to like this offseason your sophomore year, and 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:23.480 they'll say, well, I'm actually looking forward to working on 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.680 football this offseason right right, because they spend so much 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:29.559 time going into their rookie year getting ready for the 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.160 Combine that they're maybe not even working on their football technique. 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:36.000 So I think we should be spokespeople for the combine 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:40.000 because the NFLPA is pretty strongly starting to think that 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.120 they don't need them. Hang on, but we just laid 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:44.720 down the law and why the comments, they'll still be 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.040 the meetings there. They'll still be those meetings and let's 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:50.360 say where some company met, all right? So well, I 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.240 also have my spiel about the forty yard dash. Do 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:54.920 you know why they run the forty yar dash? You 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:56.760 know why it's forty yards? Yeah? You told me this 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.040 once before. You don't remember, do you? All right? Well, 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.040 since we're doing the combine, Susan and I want everybody 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:02.800 to remember this when you're watching the combine. I think 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.240 I could remember all the useless crappy and I'll shout 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.400 out Zach Hawks from nesson because he's the first person 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.720 I've ever seen use the forty yard dash, actually, as 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.200 it's supposed to be used during this season two about 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:14.040 can you we don't have that time. That's true, we 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.240 don't um When they started a combine, the average distance 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:19.719 of a punt was forty yards. The whole point of 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:22.560 the forty yard dash was simply to see how fast 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.600 guys can get down field to cover a punt. Your guy, 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.360 Michael Turkin punted further than forty yards. Well, it's not 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:34.040 nineteen sixty dash. I'm just saying maybe they should maybe, 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:37.080 But like that's all it is. Like people ascribe so 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:39.520 much meaning to it. It's how fast can you get 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.320 downfield and cover a punt? Essentially, And if you want 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.360 to make anything more of it, you can, But that's 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:47.760 all it really is. Okay, so here's what we're gonna 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:49.920 do today. We'll take some calls to eighty five five 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:52.840 pats five hundred and takes some emails as well. But 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.600 the crux of the show here today is that we're 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:58.520 Alex and I are going to go a position by 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.560 a position guy. Is that we want to see? Are 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:03.880 looking forward to seeing an indie next week at the 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:08.520 combine most interesting, most interesting, most intriguing. One player per 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.080 person or doing one player per person, because we'll be 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:13.800 here for five hours if we go more than one. 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.880 You do you have your preview up yet? No? Up 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:20.800 on Monday. Mine's gonna be up on Monday too. One 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:23.559 per person and like we can fill in some holes 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:25.880 elsewhere to get some other names in there, but one 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:28.240 year person. Yeah, let's start with let's start with the 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.559 sexiest position, the one that everybody likes to talk about, 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:33.760 wide receiver. Who are you looking forward to seeing at 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.560 wide receiver? And why? Honestly, it's so I'm looking forward 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:38.480 to see whok Seawn Boutet meets with. But in terms 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:42.960 of the combine the drills, it's Quentin Johnston. Because what's 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:45.480 he gonna run six, four, two fifteen. I have people 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:47.960 telling me that he's this like elite, true number one 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:51.360 generational prospect and the Patriots a draftsman at fourteen. Well, 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.800 here's the thing if he runs a really people tell 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.160 me he's going to run in the four fours. Yeah, 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.000 if he runs in the four fours, he's not gonna 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.600 be there. At fourteen, he's gonna be a top two pick. Right. 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.960 So Calvin Johnson ran like a four to three at 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:07.200 two thirty, and that's like the gold standard of a freak. 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.199 DK Metcalf I think was two twenty eight and ran 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.040 like a four three five. Christian Watson I don't think 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.280 was that heavy. Now he's like two and he's closer 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.560 to Johnson at like Johnson two fifty. Yeah, So Christian Watson, 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.080 I feel like, is the he's a little bit trimmer 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:25.440 than a guy like DK or or Calvin was. So 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.320 maybe that's sort of the comp here. And I think, 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.120 what was Watson like mid four threes? Do you really 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.240 think he's running low? Four? Four? No? Do? And the 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.920 reason why yeah, no, no, And at that point I'm 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.320 not interested. As we've said, they need to see the 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:40.080 reason why. I don't think I don't think he's a 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.000 four to five. I think he's I think he's four 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.480 four eight is what I'm gonna say, Like right there, 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.920 I think the reason why he's that is. From what 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:49.920 I see is he's more of one of those guys 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.559 that's a builder of speed, right, Like he's got that 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.280 those long strides and he builds up his speed as 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.160 he goes. I don't necessarily look at him on film 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.440 and see a guy that's just instantly out of the gates, right. 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:03.960 And if you're gonna put up a time in the forty, 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.760 you have to that ten yards split is really what 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.080 you need to hit a low number on right, You 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:12.160 have to really be moving early on. So I think 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.360 that he's more of a builder of speed and someone 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.480 that gets up to eighteen nineteen twenty miles an hour 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:19.960 once he's in the open field, but might not get 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.040 there instantly like as a Flowers for example. For people 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:24.800 who don't know, the ten yards split is in addition 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:27.080 to the forty time, you see the times for each 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.320 ten like at ten yards, at twenty yards, at how 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:30.560 long as you're starting to get to each of this, 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:32.640 how you come out of the blocks? All right? So 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:34.720 wide receiver for me, it's Jackson Smith and Jake. But 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.840 my guy, I think he's wide receiver one. I think 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.120 he's gonna run faster than people think. You think he's 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.560 gonna run. I don't know if he's gonna run. That's 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:44.400 the How do you think he's gonna run faster than 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:46.280 people think? Is I think he will run either at 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.280 his pro day or at the combat. Of course he's 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.800 going to run. He's gonna run faster than people think, 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.440 all right. And the main reason why I feel this 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:58.440 so strongly about this is because I think the reason 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:02.720 why Jason look quote unquote slower on film to a 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.160 lot of people is because he actually knows how to 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.600 pace out his routes and he's not just coming out 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:09.640 of the blocks at one hundred miles an hour because 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:13.600 he's setting up things right. He's running routes with good pacing, 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:17.200 good timing, good rhythm, and good acceleration where he's got 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.520 different gears, right, So, I think a big thing when 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:23.080 you look about at wide receivers, it's not about running 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.160 as fast as you can all the time. Sometimes you 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.960 got to set things up. You've got to change gears 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.200 mid route. When you get to the top of your route, 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:32.720 that's when you really want to accelerate. And that's what 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:34.560 I see from JSN. So I don't think that it's 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:37.080 that he's slow. I just think that he's running routes 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.280 with pacing, with timing. The other guy that reminds me 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.600 of that used to do this and everybody thought that 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:44.960 he was going to be slower is Justin Jefferson. Justin 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:48.440 Jefferson ended up running a four four three or four 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:52.600 four two seventy six percentile in the fourtime. Everybody was 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.920 shocked at the time because when you watch him at LSU, 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.520 it looks like he's moving slow because he's deliberate with 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.320 his movement. It's right, he's not just shot out of 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.360 a cannon. He's actually setting things up. He's pacing out 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.040 the route, he's timing his route up with the quarterbacks 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.520 drop and where he's gonna be in the landmarks and 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:14.360 all that. That's PhD stuff, right, That's not guys that 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:16.800 just come off the blocks and run one hundred miles 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.160 an hour right off the gate, right out of the gate. 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:22.920 That's that's not how you get open. That's not truly 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.640 how you create separation real quick. Here for a wide receiver, 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:27.480 what do you consider fast for forty times? At what 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:29.840 point are you like that guy's fast low four fours? 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.160 It depends on how big you are, I suppose, But 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.720 that's fair. My default. Like, once a guy hits four 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:36.880 four three, I'm like, all right, he's fast. Yeah, I'm 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:38.920 not saying now he runs a four four four is slow? 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:41.280 But at four four three I don't know why that 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:43.920 tenth of a second is that. I don't know what. 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.120 There's probably some psychology. Actually a hundredth of a second, right, 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:48.760 it's not even a tenth of one hundred of Yeah, 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.520 I don't know. Somebody could probably figure that out. Why 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:53.640 I'm wired that way. I got like a C minus 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:55.720 and ap sych in high school. So well, but this 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.920 is this kind of segues into my next point nicely. 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:01.800 So we do this. We like round numbers, we like 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:06.159 certain thresholds. So the next position on our list was 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:08.720 tackle or lineman. But I'm gonna say tackle because God 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.240 help us off. Oh I did. I did it like 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.119 the mad in order of positions. Okay, now see how 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:16.000 I'm doing it. I'm doing it as deeds are most important, 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:18.960 dessitions or whatever. The next position we have on here 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.720 is tackle because, like I just said, Lord help us off. 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.040 I take another interior lignement early in this draft. No, 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.960 you want Cody Mak, No, you want Cody mak, yes 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:28.880 you do. We're gonna get to the guy that you've 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:34.200 already convinced me on. All right, tackle, Yes, we will tackle. 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.320 Peter Scarronsky's my guy to look it for in this 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.040 number one thing. I want to come out of the combine. 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:43.400 And we have to wait. I got the schedule today, 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:46.400 O line, don't measure in until Sunday. You gotta today. 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:47.840 I got a couple of days ago. Well, I just 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.800 like was looking out today a week from Sunday. So 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.080 the very last day of the combine is when we 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:57.560 finally get a measurement on Peter Skerronsky's arm lethe which 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:02.400 is the most antiquated thing ever about the whole draft process. 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:07.320 But the bottom line is that if his arms come 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:11.120 in under thirty three inches, everybody's gonna say he's a guard. 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.160 Everybody is going to say he's a guard. No one's 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.879 gonna have him at tackle anymore. He's gonna be a guard. 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.359 And that's gonna be. That's it, right that that that's 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:23.960 the end. Why thirty three inches, Like, if he's got 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.159 thirty two and a half inch, ar can't play? Is 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:30.359 that half an inch? Really? That's really where we're gonna 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:32.399 make or break it. Right That that part of it, 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.040 to me, I think is funny, but I think it 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.360 comes it's twofold. Right. One is I know that some 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.879 people have Isaiah Win PTSD when it comes to this, 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:45.600 and they don't want to draft a quote unquote undersized tackle, 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:49.480 right all right. They want that prototype, they want those measurements. 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:51.840 That I think is one part of it. Part two, 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:55.440 the difference wins like six one Peter Scronsky six four right, No, 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.960 Peter Scronsky is not isah win? Yeah. Point two is 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:03.280 that if he's gonna make it to fourteen, then the 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:05.560 team thirteen teams ahead of the Patriots are gonna have 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:06.919