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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth. Lazar Lazar, well, everybody nailed it.

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Speaker 1: He joined us, always buying our Bard match. Here is

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Speaker 1: Evan Lazar and Alex barks for years. I bring this

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Speaker 1: guy up and Evan rolls's eyes at me. We did

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Speaker 1: it with Troy Anderson last year. We did it with

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Speaker 1: all of these guys last year, we did past years.

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Speaker 1: But this guy's a hog Molly, Alex. This guy's nasty.

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Speaker 1: He's nasty, all right. He buries people into the ground,

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Speaker 1: he turns him out. The problem is is he's a

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Speaker 1: freaking guard. Two. There we go. I still don't think

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Speaker 1: your micson. I think there. All right, We're good, We're good.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, all right, we're in Matt behind the Glass.

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Speaker 1: Got a lot going on today. We understand and still

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Speaker 1: love Cody Mock, but we're not gonna do Cody Mock today.

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Speaker 1: Today is a big show. We're gonna preview the NFL

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Speaker 1: Combine coming up next week in Indianapolis. I will be

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Speaker 1: going to the combine with Deuce with Mike Dusseau at

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Speaker 1: Patriots dot com and we'll be covering it there for

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Speaker 1: Patriots dot Com all week long, and we'll do a

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Speaker 1: Catch twenty two as well. Alex will be here in studio,

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Speaker 1: he'll drive the ship and I'll call in and we'll

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Speaker 1: do a Catch twenty two with me and Indy next week,

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Speaker 1: so we'll still have the show. So I'm really looking

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Speaker 1: forward to it. I love the Combine. The Combine is

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Speaker 1: my favorite NFL event on the calendar. Big underpants Olympics guy.

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Speaker 1: I love the Underpan's Olympics, but I really like getting

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Speaker 1: that's really cool. This is not to throw shate at

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Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl, but we get the first round guys

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Speaker 1: of the top, the cream of the crop come to

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Speaker 1: the Combine. I also really just love I love the

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Speaker 1: idea of this being like NFL spring Break, where every

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Speaker 1: single decision maker in the league is in one place

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Speaker 1: for a week. You just want to go rob Elbos.

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Speaker 1: You just want to feel famous. Of course, that's all

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Speaker 1: it is. Of Course, Evan doesn't like the Combine for

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Speaker 1: the football. He just wants to feel like a big shot.

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Speaker 1: To be honest with you, the combine really isn't about

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Speaker 1: the football in some respects. A lot of the deals

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Speaker 1: Elmo's at two o'clock in the morning when everybody's had

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Speaker 1: a few too many. Like that's just the bottom line.

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely true. I'm gonna need this little bit clipped.

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Speaker 1: So when Evan texts me next week and it's like,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe him on the road again, I can't

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Speaker 1: him with this, No, the combine. I don't get like

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Speaker 1: that about the combine. Combines great US, It's draft, it's football.

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Speaker 1: It's obviously going and getting some shrimp at Saint Elmo's

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Speaker 1: eating a cheeseburger, Like that's what the combine's all about.

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Speaker 1: You just want to feel like a big shot. You

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Speaker 1: the JW and entire every GM al thirty two of

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Speaker 1: That's the combine, Hollywood. Evan just wants to star watch that.

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Speaker 1: You're not wrong. You look at you just you never

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Speaker 1: know you never know who you might bump into, You

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Speaker 1: never know who you might walk by, and then all

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Speaker 1: it doesn't come to anything, even if you don't learn anything,

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Speaker 1: at least you got in front of that person, right,

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Speaker 1: You got a face to face with somebody important. It's cool.

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Speaker 1: So here's why I like to combine. We do. And

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Speaker 1: the first real like so much can change with combine. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that first, those first mocks coming out of the combine,

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Speaker 1: Where there are players right now that realistically one person

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Speaker 1: length or forty time. I'm very excited to put those

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you remember this. My very very first year

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Speaker 1: It's all about confirming your priors or not confirming your priors, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: like us especially. I think teams nowadays. The reason why

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Speaker 1: think the forty matters, and I still think that the

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Speaker 1: So realistically, it has to be Broderick Jones. And look,

425
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 1: I don't think Broderick Jones is settling. I think he's

426
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,639
Speaker 1: a great talent. That being said, he's my guy to

427
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:22,639
Speaker 1: watch here because he I don't think he's undersized, but

428
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,360
Speaker 1: he's definitely nobody's gonna say he's got great sized. Yeah,

429
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,920
Speaker 1: he's kind of sort of in limbo there. Yeah, I

430
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,360
Speaker 1: just want to see what he comes in at. It'd

431
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,080
Speaker 1: be nice if he maybe bulked up a little bit

432
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,879
Speaker 1: since the season ended. And I think his athleticism is

433
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,960
Speaker 1: one of his best traits, so seeing how that tests,

434
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,440
Speaker 1: seeing his footwork. It's not really a time drill, but

435
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 1: they do the thing where you're like, hold the football

436
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,119
Speaker 1: up and he got to run in the directions you

437
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 1: know what Jones are all right, I'm interested to see

438
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 1: him in that. So look, I want to see Dwan

439
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 1: Jones dominant because that's all he does. And is he

440
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 1: gonna run a sub five we'll see. I called Jordan

441
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,119
Speaker 1: Davis last year, but Brodrick Jones is the guy for

442
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 1: me to watch. But at the end of the day,

443
00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,240
Speaker 1: like if Scronsky is gonna go in the top ten,

444
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,679
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be super bummed because that pushes Roderick

445
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,440
Speaker 1: Jones down, or it pushes Paris Johnson down. If they

446
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 1: have the draft, Like if Dwan Jones is the only

447
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 1: guy left and that's who they end up with, not

448
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 1: a bad consolation prize. You make it work, You keep

449
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 1: Trent Brown on the left side, and you figure it

450
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:18,160
Speaker 1: out from there. But yeah, I think it's as long

451
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 1: as Scarnsky's arms are long, it's a win win for

452
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 1: the Patriots, even if it puts him out of their reach.

453
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 1: And I'm just laughing because I think it's so funny

454
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 1: that that arm length is this important. But oh, the whole,

455
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 1: the combines, hilario, it's ridiculous. The combine is objectively Rodrick Jones,

456
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 1: though you mentioned it quickly there, his athleticism is his

457
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,680
Speaker 1: number one trait, his carrying trade, his number one trait,

458
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 1: and his entire being is upside like. That's like his

459
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 1: whole thing. Right. He's a little bit raw. He's only

460
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 1: played nineteen games. I think he's always started nineteen games

461
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 1: at Georgia, so he doesn't have the experience like of

462
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 1: a Scarnski, doesn't have the prototypical build of a Paris Johnson.

463
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 1: So for him to be a SUREFI or top ten pick,

464
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to put on an absolute show in

465
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: India this week. Of these, of those three, I think

466
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: he has the highest up side. He does, but that's

467
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: that's his whole, that's that's the he's the upside tackle. Well, look,

468
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 1: you're paying Adrian Clem a lot of money. Right, you know, well,

469
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: go get him the upside guy. It's just interesting. You know,

470
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: I was talking to Brandon Thorne, who does a lot

471
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 1: of offensive line stuff. He's awesome, he was he has

472
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,199
Speaker 1: Broderick Jones as his OT three in draft, and I

473
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 1: think a big reason why is because somebody like Brandon

474
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 1: sees it like a coach and sees all the technicalities

475
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: of the game that Broderick Jones needs to refine on.

476
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: You'll have a refinement on. And he looks at it

477
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 1: and says, he's a he's a little bit of a project.

478
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 1: But I think that you it's kind of like how

479
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: we talk about quarterbacks now too. Would you rather the

480
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: guy that you're swinging for the fences and this guy

481
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 1: could be an all Pro caliber, decade long type of player,

482
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: or are you just going for the safer pick, which

483
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: is scronsky, right, that type of guy that has all

484
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 1: the technical refinement and all the polish. So it's an

485
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 1: interesting conversation. All right, Uh, let's go through the rest

486
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: of the offense here and then we'll take some calls

487
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 1: and we'll do defense. Um, let's go tight end. Yeah,

488
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 1: I think this is a really interesting position for the Patriots.

489
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: Going into this draft because we've talked about it a

490
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: little bit, I guess more so with slot receivers. But

491
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: I still feel feel like if they if the Patriots

492
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: feel like the best way to get a number one

493
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 1: weapon is a tight end in this draft and they

494
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: feel like Mayor or Kincaid or one of these guys

495
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: is the best route, I'm I'm cool with it, Like

496
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 1: Rob Bronkowski, Travis Kelsey, Mark Andrews, Like, bring it off.

497
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: Any of those guys you just named first round picks.

498
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: No Mark Andrews was actually wasn't he? No Mark Andrews

499
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 1: second round picks? So its Gronk, all right, So no,

500
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: So maybe that's the case. Cronk, I know, was second right.

501
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 1: I think okay, I knew his Day two. So regardless, like,

502
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 1: if that's the round that they want to go and

503
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 1: they want to build it through a tight end, I

504
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,719
Speaker 1: don't think that we should look at that as like

505
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 1: a bad thing. And I don't think that Hunter Henry

506
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 1: and Johnny his presence on the roster should be viewed

507
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,479
Speaker 1: as we can't do it this way because we have

508
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: these two guys under contract on the roster, especially when

509
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: you look at their contract status and you know, Hunter

510
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: Henry's going into a contract year. Johnny Smith is going

511
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: into a third year where if they can get rid

512
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: of them, they might or they could walk away from

513
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: his contract after next season. So I don't think that

514
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: those two guys being on the roster should prohibit them

515
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: from targeting a tight end if they feel like the

516
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 1: tight ends the answer like, if he's gonna be I

517
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 1: don't want to use Travis Kelcey or Gron because they're

518
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: generational players, but if he's gonna be that for your offense,

519
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: and I don't think you should have any questions about

520
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 1: going for that player. So I go to Mayor because

521
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: when I watch him at Notre Dame, I don't necessarily

522
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: see like a dynamic, explosive athlete, right Like, I don't

523
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: know if he's got great straight line speed. He's a

524
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: little bit heavy footed coming into the break. He's not

525
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: he's not explosive, he doesn't jump off the film in

526
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: that regard. He's really really refined, polished guy. He's versatile,

527
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 1: he can block, he can catch pass, he's got great

528
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 1: ball skills. He's pretty good and at yak, you know

529
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: he's got that rumbling kind of bowling ball yak style.

530
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: So he's got a lot going for him, but I

531
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: need to see like a high end athlete for me

532
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 1: to be sold on that being a fourteenth overall pick.

533
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: That's where I'm at with Mayor. So I was all

534
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 1: ready to talk about Darnel Washington six seven, two seventy.

535
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,479
Speaker 1: All he needs is a decent forty and he's going

536
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: to push Mayor for the tight end one spot, right,

537
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: a decent forty six seven, two seventy. Have you seen

538
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: the way tacklers bounce off of that guy? I know,

539
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: but he's so he is slow. That's why I said

540
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: a dcent forty. If he runs a decent forty, to me,

541
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: he's like he's a tackle slash tight end, right, He's

542
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: not actually a pass catching pick. But that's why if

543
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: he runs a decent forty, maybe he's gotten himself in

544
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: more athletic shape here. If he runs a four eight,

545
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: of course, yeah then no, okay, that's the whole point,

546
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: is right, we're learning guy. So I was ready to

547
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: talk about him, but a friend of mine texting me

548
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: a mock draft for his team today it's not the Patriots,

549
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: and I was looking at it, and that was good

550
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: but I haven't feel like I know this friend. I

551
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: don't think you do. Okay Falcons No, I was like,

552
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: all right, I like this is pretty good draft. But

553
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: he took this tight end in the sixth round. This

554
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: kid from Old Dominion, Zach Cootz, who I've never heard of.

555
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 1: He goes, look up Zach coots So this morning I'm

556
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: watching You're in tight end is a tight end from

557
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 1: Old Dominion named Zach Cootz. I'm watching. Well, who you

558
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: of all people have never heard of until today. So

559
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: I'm I'm doing some digging on this kid. First off,

560
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: he was originally recruited to Penn State, which is a

561
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: tight end factory, transferred to Old Dominion because he wanted

562
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: to play more. Had an all conference season twenty twenty one,

563
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: got hurt three games into the season last year. He

564
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 1: is six eight two fifty one and supposedly is running

565
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: low four five forties in workouts. His ball skills are great.

566
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: He's a really good route runner for his size. He

567
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: actually lined up more in the slot than he did

568
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 1: inline last year. I can't believe we're doing Old Dominion.

569
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, so you've come back around from the

570
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 1: last show Anyways, I'm fascinated by this kid. I am

571
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: now fascinated, but I think you're fascinated because you didn't

572
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: discover him, so therefore it now. I hate it. I

573
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: hate it when I have to give other people credit

574
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 1: for finding a player. No, here's why, because I they

575
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 1: have Hunter Henry and Johny Smith under contract for another year. Right,

576
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: they can go get a project player with a relatively

577
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: low pick and just sort of see what happens. And

578
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: if that guy doesn't hit, you re hit it next year.

579
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: That's that's the approach you take. If you're sold that

580
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien a much more better offense. I don't want

581
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: to use the word streamline because we made that mistake

582
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: once already. R a much better offensive coordination and all

583
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: that stuff. Hunter Henry and Johnny Smith are gonna be

584
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: real players for you next year. Then you take the

585
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: flyer on the day three. I think Hunter Henry can

586
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: be from old dominion. Watch him, Okay, watch him. We're

587
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: gonna see what he does. This look, this is more

588
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: or less about when I found Tai Kwon last year.

589
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: I'm just saying six eight two fifty. He's running four

590
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: four five forties. You're not. It's not a little bit

591
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 1: interesting to you. No, from Penn, the Penn State pedigree,

592
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: that school, those tight ends. No, the South Dakota State

593
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: tight ends a little bit interesting to me. Kraft, he's

594
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: a good point. Dominion is a more technically a like

595
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 1: higher prestige program than South Dat. He's a consensus top

596
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: one hundred guy. Right, Well, this guy was hurt last year.

597
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: And you know how, I like lat too. I still

598
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: want to see law too. I like law Too too.

599
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: But Zach Coonts Cameron Latto from Alabama. If Cameron Lawtoo

600
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: is not supposed to run well, if he all puts

601
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: up like a four to seven, which is like average

602
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: for a tight end, that's a great time for him.

603
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: What if Darnel Washington runs a four seven, No, still

604
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: not enough for you. I just think he's a blocking time.

605
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: I think he's Mercedes Lewis has been Leaf for like

606
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: twenty years, and that's great. But they don't need Marcedes Lewis.

607
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: They need they need a difference maker. He's he's more

608
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: dynamic with the ball in his hands. In Mercedes Lewis,

609
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: guys bounce off of it. Mercedes Lewis once had a

610
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: seven hundred yard season. Cool. I need a guy that's

611
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: gonna have a seventeen hundred yard season, not a seven

612
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: hundred yard season. All right, Well, I'm just saying, Zach

613
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: Coots old. I don't think he's gonna seventeen hundred yards,

614
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: but maybe in his career. All right, running backs, this

615
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: is the one. You know how much how I feel

616
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: about running back. I hate running backs. But you were

617
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: on my case to watch this guy. I'm a little

618
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: bit convinced. Do I ever steer you wrong? Evan do

619
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: the argument that I'm getting we're coming here in a

620
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: month and he's gonna be talking about the draft. The

621
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: argument that I'm gonna use here for this guy is

622
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 1: that I think, with Ramandri Stevenson already here, that you

623
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: can use this player in Bill O'Brien's offense as an

624
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: offensive weapon, not just a running back, but an offensive

625
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: weapon where he's a running back, he's sometimes a receiver,

626
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: he's a gadget player. Right. He does all of those

627
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: types of things from your offense. And that is Jamari

628
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: Gibbs from Alabama, who I finally took some time yesterday

629
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: and I finally scratch the itch that you've been coming

630
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: at me about watching Gibbs and taking it seriously. With

631
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: watching Gibbs, he has a gear that's special, his gear

632
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: when he sees daylight and he hits the nas as

633
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: I like to say, right, yeah, it's different. It's a

634
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: different speed than everybody else on the field. And I'm

635
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: talking about different against lsu K State like Tennessee, like

636
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: teams with great athletes all over the field. Let me

637
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: add to that too, it's not just the straight line speed.

638
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: When he puts his foot in the ground to cut

639
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: and comes out of that cute, he loses no speed,

640
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: no momentum. He can change directions like that. Unbelievable, right,

641
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: So I think it's a luxury pick. It certainly is.

642
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: But I think the reason why I want to look

643
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: at him at the combine is if he doesn't if

644
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: he falls down the board even a little bit where

645
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's maybe in round two, like

646
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, beginning a round two instead of end of

647
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: round one, then maybe you can start to talk about

648
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: using forty six to get him, which I think is

649
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: a little bit more. I think you can stomach that

650
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: a little bit better. Right, Like, let's say they go

651
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: out in free agency and free agency, they address either

652
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: tackle or receiver and they get a veteran guy to

653
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: fill that spot. And now you're on the clock in

654
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: the second round and Jamara Gibbs is You're you're at

655
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: thirty eight and you're at forty six and Jamar Gibbs

656
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,719
Speaker 1: is still on the board, and you want to make

657
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: that Christian bar More a trade up right, I think

658
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: that you can sell yourself on that of using him

659
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: a little bit like how the Chiefs use like Kadarius

660
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,719
Speaker 1: Tony down the stretch right where he's this offensive weapon.

661
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: He's James White mixed with Kadarius Tony and he's just everything.

662
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: You're over complicating it using him like Alabama used him

663
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: last year. Well, which is what Alabama right where he's

664
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: he was a slot receiver as much as he was

665
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: a running that yeah, slot receiver, running back, ballcare offensive weapon. Yeah,

666
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: And I can't help but look, so this is and

667
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: this is how you're justifying it. And this is, by

668
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: the way, what I tried to tell you months ago

669
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: when you told me to shut up. You're not drafting

670
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: him as a just as a running back. Now I'm

671
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: also recognizing that he is very, very different than Remandre.

672
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: It's a totally different skill set. I so it's funny.

673
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: I think they could handle similar roles, but they would

674
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: approve their approach would be different. I just think they're

675
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: totally different. I think Jamara Gibbs is an explosive home

676
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: run act. Yeah, and Romandre is more run through yet Yeah,

677
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: Gibbs is more run past you, right, Like that's totally true.

678
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: And I think that as a receiver, Jamara Gibbs is

679
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: way more dynamic than Romandra. Yeah, Vermandre can catch the football,

680
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: Jamara Gibbs is an impact player in the passing game.

681
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: So I don't I'm still not like in love, you know,

682
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: with me and running backs. I still don't love the idea.

683
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: But if it happened, the way you're talking yourself into

684
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: it is not considering him running back, right, And I

685
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: would not watch Bijean yet, did you? I did a

686
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: little bit. But Bijean to me has too much overlap

687
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: with hermand Nope, I'm not saying they should take Beijean

688
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: like Bijean to me, my comp for him is Leonard Fournette. Yeah,

689
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: But what I'm wondering is if Jamir Gibbs has a

690
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: good enough combine. If he runs a good enough forty,

691
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: can he pass Bijean as RB one? Because I think

692
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: he can. I think some teams I think might look

693
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: at it that way. I have him as RB one

694
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: right now just because of the passing game stuff. Right,

695
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: Beijean's a good receiver. I don't think that he's Jamari

696
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: Gibbs in the passing. He's not changing things for you

697
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: in the passing, right, I would all just one more

698
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: thing on Gibbs and you can give your guy watching

699
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: how And I think a lot of it was out

700
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: of necessity because Alabama didn't have the skill players that

701
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: they usually do. But watching Bill O'Brien move this guy

702
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: around and use him in so many different ways to

703
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: get the football in his hands tells me what Bill

704
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: O'Brian probably thinks of Jamari Gibbs. Oh, Bill O'Brien loves him, right,

705
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: so I Bill Ryan loves him. And Bill O'Brien has

706
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: any say in the draft room, and Bill says to him,

707
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: we want to draft a weapon here. Who's the weapon

708
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: you want to pick? And he says, Jamari Gibbs. Gibbs,

709
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: That's the only reason we're having this conversation is Bill O'Brien.

710
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: If they didn't hire Bill O'Brien, I don't think we'd

711
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: be seriously talking about those. All Right, who's your guy?

712
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: Deuce vaun from Kansas State? So Danny Woodhead, Well, no, Um,

713
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: Darren Sprowls, it's probably a better Kansas State and like so,

714
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: Deuce Vaughn was a top three pass catching back in

715
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: college football last year. Honestly, might be him, Gibbs and

716
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: Travis Dye. Who's another guy who se where he's out

717
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: with his injury. Yeah, Um explodes it with the ball

718
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: in his hands. Great runner, like he can really handle

719
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: all three downs. But he's listed at five six, one

720
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: seventy six. Hence the Darren Sprowls comp I want to

721
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: see what he really measures in at. And he's a

722
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: guy I think the Patriots would really like if the

723
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: size checks out, Like I could see him in that

724
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: James White role. He's a very good blocker for his size.

725
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 1: Now there's limitations to come with that size. Five six

726
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: one seventy six is still kind of built. He's like

727
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: he's compassed, right, he's thick, muscle amster Doug Martin. I

728
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: want to see what he really comes in at. I

729
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: think he's going to be impressive in the drills and

730
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: the measurements, but he didn't do a senior bowl. He

731
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: didn't do the trying and bowl any of that. I

732
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: want to see what he comes in at. He's you

733
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: didn't watch him yet, did you. I watched him and

734
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: Cross Okay, I really want you to watch. He's really explosive,

735
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: but different than Gibbs because I think his speed is

736
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: just shot out of a cannon right away, where Gibbs

737
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: is more foot in the ground and go right. So

738
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: I think there's a little bit of difference there. But

739
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 1: Vaughan is if you want him to draft the next

740
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: James White, next Kevin Falk Like, that's that's the guy.

741
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: It's him, Eric Gray, and Travis Dye. Those are the

742
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: three guys that are like James White clones in the straps.

743
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: All right, we'll move were at a defense in a second,

744
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: but Sean and Patty have been waiting patiently. Uh Sean,

745
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: what's up? Thanks for waiting? No problem, Hey, alex Evan,

746
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: I have a one question. If you come as trying

747
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: and be quick. My first question for my actually my

748
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: only question is do you think Taylor the on is done? Yes? Yeah, okay,

749
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, so that that's won't work. Um. Now,

750
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: the other thing Alex I want to say is I

751
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: have a slightly different take on the Bengals stain on

752
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: the Broncos approach to U to trades because I think

753
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: when you bring in a guy like Sean Payton, you're

754
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: you're thinking you want to fix the team. I don't

755
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: think you're trying to rebuild. So I think they'd be

756
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: a little more hesitant in an in trading judy because

757
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: I think that the figure maybe they have a chance

758
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: at doing something this season. So that's that's that. Now.

759
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: In terms of the draft, I agree Clinton Johnson. If

760
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: you know he's for four point zero or you know,

761
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: Summer Loaf, uh for it's like, yeah, you're gonna I'd

762
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: like them to move up to get them. If the

763
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: Patriots addressed tackle and free free agency somehow, if they

764
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: pick up a free agent, then um, you know, I

765
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: get maybe that would be something that you know, if

766
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: they can move up to ten to do that. And

767
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: the other thing I wanted to mention is earlier in

768
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 1: the MPU, the argument about the nineteen eighty nine draft

769
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: really goes to what Paul was trying to make in

770
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: his thing about tackles, because if you look at that draft,

771
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: four of the top five picks were like not just

772
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: Hall of famers, like legends, Aikman Sanders, Derek Thomas, Dean Sanders,

773
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: like that was amazing. And then you know the only

774
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: bus is Tony Mandridge. And if you look at the

775
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: rest of the draft, there was no other tackles taken.

776
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: So in that draft, Tony Mandridge stood above everything but

777
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: else a tackle because in that year in college the

778
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: tackle play was low, and I think that was a

779
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: good proof of it. Where this season, you know, in

780
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: the draft there's lots of tackles that that are up there,

781
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: So I don't think this is going to be the

782
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: kind of bus that we're going to see. Well, and

783
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: you're never going to see a bus like Tony Mandridge again.

784
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: But I think that that helps Patriots outlook if they

785
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: want to draft a tackle. Yeah, thanks for the college

786
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: ship shit it. So you mentioned Judy. Shot mentioned Judy.

787
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: I mentioned this on PU quickly, but I tested you

788
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: about this. I guess there's a report out there. I

789
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: think it was from Benjamin Albright who covers the Broncos,

790
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: and it's kind of a Bronchos insider. He had mentioned

791
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: that Judy was available at the deadline last year and

792
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: the asking price was a second round pick and a

793
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: fifth round pick, and there were no takers, which is surprising, Yeah,

794
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 1: because when you look at Judy's production and Drew Locke

795
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson and these quarterbacks at a thousand yards

796
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: last year, Yeah, a thousand yards with Russell Wilson not

797
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: playing very well that version of Russell Wilson, right. Yeah,

798
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: In terms of like, oh, Sean Payton's gonna want to

799
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: keep his guys to win right away, we don't know

800
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: what he's thinking. That could be it the flip side

801
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: of it, could be they don't have a ton of

802
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 1: money to work with. Yeah, Jerry Judy's contracts almost stopped.

803
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: Does he flip Jerry Judy for a pick so he

804
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: can get his own guy in that role that he

805
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: knows he's going to have for the next four years? Right?

806
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: The question is I guess at bottom line, Hey, why

807
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: is that asking price too much for Jerry Judy for

808
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: the league? Because if that was truly the asking price

809
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: and he didn't move at the deadline, and that tells

810
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: nobody ever really wants to make a deal to the deadline.

811
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what it was. I think that's what it was.

812
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: The other thing I would say, is she at that position.

813
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: Sean Payton's offense loves the slot. Yeah, he's another guy

814
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: offensive mine that loves the slot. That's why Michael Thomas

815
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: put up the numbers that he used to put up

816
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 1: when he was healthy. So does he view Jerry Judy,

817
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: which he very well could, as like a healthier younger

818
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas, in which case he should eat in that

819
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: offense right and have a huge numbers. Or to your point,

820
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 1: does he want to recycle the asset where he trades

821
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy for forty six and one of the Patriots

822
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: fourth round picks, and then at forty six he takes

823
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: Kashawn Boutet, right, Harry takes you know, Josh Downs or

824
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: whoever the guy is that he likes, and therefore they

825
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: recycle the asset and they start over on the contract

826
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. The last thing about

827
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: tackles when I keep coming back to with this conversation,

828
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: because I don't know how much you heard of what

829
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: Paul was talking about. He was basically just talking about

830
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: how the hit rate at tackle and wide receiver. Everybody

831
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: says tackles the safe position to take, but in reality,

832
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: over the last five years or so, receivers have been

833
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: just as good as tackles coming out of the draft.

834
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing for me is that I

835
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: don't know if I would have any of these receivers

836
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: besides maybe the exception of JSN as a first round receiver.

837
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: And let's say last year's draft, right, Like, this draft

838
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: to me, at receiver is great. On day two, it's great.

839
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: I would say twenty five through seventy five, I think

840
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some really good receivers taken. But is

841
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: it really one of those drafts where I don't think

842
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: any of these guys are again with the exception to

843
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: maybe JSN are Ceedee Lamb, Jerry Judy, like even like

844
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: the Ohio State guys last year, A Lave Wilson, Jamison

845
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: Williams from out like, I don't think that we're at

846
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: that talent level. That's why there is nobody projected really

847
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: to go inside the top ten, because there isn't a

848
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase in this draft. Right It's all like I

849
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: say this all the time, it's all relative. Whereas with

850
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 1: the tackles, I think that this is a really good

851
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: tackle class in the first round. Yeah, so that I

852
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: think that matters that That to me matters of every

853
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: people that want to take I'll say this on this

854
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: show too, people that want to take a receiver at fourteen,

855
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: you got to start coming with me with names. Yeah,

856
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: you can't just it's it's it's fake, right, it's you're

857
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: making up make a creative player in Madden that doesn't exist. Right,

858
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: So if you have that take, that's okay. It's not

859
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: a bad take in terms of that. They need that asset, right,

860
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: but you got you gotta put a name to the

861
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: all right, Patty and aga on what's up? Patty Up? Guys,

862
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: I got a name, okay, but it's not a first

863
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: round guy. Maybe late day two, Day three? Guys. That

864
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: intreagues me is that could possibly be at DeVante Parker

865
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: replacement is at Perry? I know you guys saw him

866
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: that eat swish shot we didn't bowl, correct, Yeah? Yes,

867
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: what were your guys opinions of them? Do you think

868
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: he could possibly replace Perker? And do you see him

869
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: as like a day late day two or early day

870
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: three guy, and that's all I got. Guys, will talk

871
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: to you next week. Thanks Patty. So this draft we

872
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 1: mentioned a lot, I think, but I know we've probably

873
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 1: both written about this. This draft is not great with

874
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: outside receivers in terms of depth, It's really great with

875
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: slot receivers. Like, if you want to X excuse me,

876
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: a Z or a slot receiver, this is the draft

877
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, if you want an X, it's kind

878
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: of Quinton Johnson's the top tier, Cedric Tillman's kind of

879
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: that next tier, and then At Perry, who Patty just mentioned,

880
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: is probably that middle tier, right, Yeah, so we like

881
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: Dat Perry for moments, I would say I wasn't super impressed. Honestly,

882
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: didn't play great in the game either. If you want

883
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: like a big receiver from the Shrine Bowl, I go

884
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: with Justin Shorter, Bryce Ford Wheaton before I go with

885
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: at Perry. So I think At Perry's got good acceleration.

886
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: Michael Jefferson too. He's a deep threat, like I like

887
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: a DeVante Parker style deep threat, right, So I think

888
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 1: he can do that as sort of things I don't.

889
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: I don't hate At Perry and if they really want

890
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: that skill set, if they're dead set on adding an

891
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: ex receiver. If I'm the Patriot's just from their track

892
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: record with that position in the draft, I would much

893
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: rather than take a chance on it with at Perry

894
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: in the fourth round than using a first round pick

895
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: on Quentin Johnson and striking out on a first round pick.

896
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: But then at that point, just give me Justin Shorter

897
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: in the sixth round. Who I thought it had a

898
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: better Shrine Bowl who they actually worked with, And it

899
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: is just At Perry's tall, but I wouldn't call him big. Yeah,

900
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: he was slender. If I'm getting a guy like they

901
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: have Taekwon Thorton, right, if I'm getting a guy like that,

902
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: give me guy. We both thought the first day of

903
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: practice Justin Shorter was a tight end. Yeah, he's the

904
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: way he was built. That's the If that's the way out,

905
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: we're going, give me Justin Shorter. I do like at

906
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: Perry's his acceleration, his vertical transitions right when he runs

907
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: like a post route or post corn, he accelerates and

908
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: he's pretty fluid for a guy his size. But he

909
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: is a little bit more slender. He's not He's not

910
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: one of those up like DK Metcalfe sized guys. He's

911
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: he's a little bit skinnier than that. All right, let's

912
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: move over into defense. I know we gotta go here. Yeah,

913
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: I combine D line and edge into one position if

914
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: you want. I know you hate edge, so I I

915
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: hate edge. I think it's we're talking about the Patriots.

916
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: We know what position he's going to play. But go ahead, Okay,

917
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: So D line edge, Who's who's your guy on the

918
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage player? So I like Eca from Baylor,

919
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: Like he's really not getting talked about it at all.

920
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: I watched I watched a ton of Big twelve football

921
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: this year. I love the Big twelve and this you

922
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 1: don't see defensive tackles take over in the Big twelve.

923
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: This guy he's like six three, three thirty, but he's

924
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: a pass rusher. Yeah, he's can get after it. That

925
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: type of player the Vita Vea. Yeah, even I would

926
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: say Danny Shelton to a degree that obviously that type

927
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: of player's value has decreased in the end. And by

928
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: the way, I undersold him six four three fifty seven,

929
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: but like he can move around a little bit. So

930
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: I think Danny Shelton is somebody that remember when they

931
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: got him here, and at first they signed him, they

932
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: thought he was a two gapping nose tackle, and they

933
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: got him here and they're like, this is really like

934
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: an up the field type of player, and the second

935
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: year he was here they sort of figured that out.

936
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: That's what this guy reminds me of a little bit.

937
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: I think he's better. I just I'm excited he's you

938
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: know how the it's the athletic, right that does like

939
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: the most athletic, like the freak athletes thing. You don't

940
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: see that many defense tackles. He's going to be on there.

941
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: Bruce Felman, Yeah, he's gonna be on there something. I'm

942
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 1: interested to see how he tests. All right, So my guy,

943
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: I just watched this guy recently and I just was

944
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: really impressive. Bji from LSU. Yeah, I know that edge

945
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: rusher is probably not a high priority, but when you

946
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: look at the longevity of that, those guys, the twenty

947
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: twenty guys, Uch and Jennings are going to be free

948
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: agents next offseason right there. Rookie deals are coming up.

949
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: Judean is in your three of a four year deal

950
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 1: and he's starting to push thirty, right, So you're starting

951
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: to think about maybe transitioning there and are you gonna

952
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: pay ucha? I think is something that's interesting because they're

953
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: historically it feels like they're not the team that pays ucha.

954
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: I think they might look at Uj's sack numbers and

955
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: be like, well, a lot of them came late in

956
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter when we were up and he was

957
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: just pinning his ear, that sort of thing where they

958
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: can they kind of look at the stats a little bit.

959
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 1: They kind of like what they did with J. C. Jackson.

960
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: I love josh Uj, you know, I wrote about him

961
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: a bunch last year. What I love about him is

962
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: similar to what I love about BJ Ojilari, and that

963
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: is they just have a toolbox of pass rush moves,

964
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: Like this is not just one of a lot of guys.

965
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: When we get into the draft with edge rushers, there's

966
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: so many guys that are just one trick ponies at

967
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: this stage, and they really haven't developed counters and different

968
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: moves that they can go off of. Ojilari is not

969
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: like that. This guy has speed, he's got a long arm,

970
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 1: he's got ghost moves, he's got different, like all sorts

971
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: of different moves in his toolbox. And when you already

972
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: or that refine where you have not just a counter

973
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: off your speed rush, but two or three counters. Yeah,

974
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: that's pretty advanced for a college pass rusher. He was

975
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: also really good against some good competition. He almost he

976
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: kind of took over that Alabama game for a little

977
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: bit of that game. Mississippi State he had a huge

978
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 1: game against them too. He's just one of those guys

979
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: that's got a whole lot in his repertoire. I really

980
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: like that. So I like Ojlari. Did you watch Alie Gay?

981
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: There are other I really like. They're both good. Actually

982
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: like Ali Gay a little bit better. I just think

983
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: his first steps a little bit quicker. Yeah, So Ajolari

984
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: is not He's like Uja in the sense that he's

985
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: got all these pass rush moves in his box, but

986
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 1: he's not. He doesn't have Uja's first step, right, He's

987
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: not really a first step guy. He's got speed though,

988
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: because what he I think it's like the second, third,

989
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: fourth step for Ojolari. He's really got good stride, lane

990
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: and everything like that, and he can really corner too.

991
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: He's got great bend, so he doesn't necessarily have that

992
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: great instant first step, but He's got that ability to

993
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: build up that speed as he turns the corner. So

994
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: you have him ahead of Gay a little bit. Yeah.

995
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: I just think that he's a little bit more advanced

996
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: with how many pass rush moves he uses and things

997
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: like that. So if they're looking for the next the next,

998
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: Uja right to take over. If they're not gonna pay

999
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: Uja and they're looking for the next guy and the

1000
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: board maybe doesn't follow their away. At some other positions,

1001
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: I could see Ojalare being one of their guys linebacker

1002
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: moving off the ball. Now we're how many years in Alexton? Yeah,

1003
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: speed at linebacker, speed at linebacker. Will they ever change?

1004
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 1: Will they ever change? I hope so this year. Although

1005
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm not looking totally at the Mike, I haven't you know.

1006
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: I've been obsessed with this guy for two years. I

1007
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: thought he would have been a first end pick last

1008
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: year if he came out to marv and over shown

1009
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: from Texas. He's not getting talked about it at all.

1010
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: He was at the senior bow he got overlooked. He's

1011
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: going to crush the combine. He's a freak athlete. He

1012
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: can play mike, he can play on the edge, he

1013
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: can rush the pass because I think he's a weak

1014
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: side linebacker. I think he can. I think he can

1015
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: rush the casser, play, set the edge, and cover. Yeah.

1016
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of his game, and like he's

1017
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: not that. He's not a mic linebacker, right, So in

1018
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: some way maybe that helps him justify it because he

1019
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: does things a little bit differently. So he's just so explosive.

1020
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: He pops you. If you're watching Texas, you're in their

1021
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: defenses on the field, in three or four plays, you're

1022
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: going to notice to Marv and overshowing any he's any

1023
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 1: four playspan. He's totally that prototype. Like he's like two thirty,

1024
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: two twenty five something like that. Yeah, he's this new

1025
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: age prototype that they have basically ignored. Let's let's face it.

1026
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: But here's the thing I'm thinking. He plays, and he's

1027
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: listed at six four, two thirty. I think he plays

1028
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: more physically than maybe some of these other guys we've

1029
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: talked about of them getting in that new prototype, right, Yeah,

1030
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: he does. He plays like he's two fifty. I don't

1031
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: I liked him a little bit. I remember you pointed

1032
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: him out to me a lot. The guy that I

1033
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: want to mention is somebody I think that's going super

1034
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: under the radar a little bit here, and that's Jack

1035
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: Campbell from Iowa. Yea, And I think after the combine

1036
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: he's not going to be under the radar anymore. I

1037
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be right in the LB one conversation.

1038
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: So I met. I watched the Clemson kid, Trenton Simpson, Yeah,

1039
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: and I was pretty surprised that he was like the

1040
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: consensus linebacker one. To be honest with you, I don't

1041
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: think there's really a consensus Jack Campbell. I think is

1042
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: gonna be Jack Campbell and Noah Soul to me or

1043
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: both up there. So Jack Campbell, I think he can

1044
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 1: move a lot better than that. Maybe he gets credit

1045
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: for I think he gets typecasted a little bit as

1046
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: Iowa as that Iowa Mike, you know, linebacker, But he

1047
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: I think he's a better athlete than most people give

1048
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: him credit for. And he's really he's got that linebacker

1049
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 1: instinct right where he's basically in the running back's head

1050
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: and he's pasting it out and he's getting you know,

1051
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: kind of mirroring gap to gap to gap, and he's

1052
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: just got that hundred tackle type of mentality to Yeah,

1053
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: and I think that that's something that they might look

1054
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: at Juwan Bentley to correct me if I'm wrong. He's

1055
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: I think it's only one more year on that extension

1056
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: that they signed him to, right, so that mic position,

1057
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: and I think Campbell's a little bit more athletic, a

1058
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: little bit smaller, but still has some of those instinctual

1059
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: take on type of accums. Do you remember what happened

1060
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: last year? We were talking about how like it wasn't

1061
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: a great class for athletic linebackers, and every single linebacker

1062
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: tested significantly better than we expected. Leo Chanal, remember you're

1063
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: like Leo and then he ran a four to five.

1064
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: So I'm interested to see if this year's linebacker class

1065
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: can measure up. Yeah, this year's linebacker class is not great.

1066
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say it. It's not a great It's

1067
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: not as good as it was. Like middle linebacker. I

1068
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: like the outside linebackers in this class. So cornerback. The

1069
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 1: quarterback that I rope down was Deontay Banks from Maryland too,

1070
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: is somebody we've talked so much about, like Christian Gonzales

1071
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: and w they're spooning Joey Porter and some of the

1072
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: first round guys, I think this guy's kind of quietly

1073
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: becoming other than the guy they think you're going to mention.

1074
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: Is one of my favorite day two corners watching him

1075
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: against Ohio State, And if you could play against Ohio State,

1076
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: then you can hang in the league like that. If

1077
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: you can match up against those receivers, then you're good.

1078
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: And he had some of the most physical jams at

1079
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage that you'll like. Guys weren't even

1080
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: able to get off the line of scrimmage. He would.

1081
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: It was almost like a gunner right on a punt

1082
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: and he's just holding them there and it was really impressive.

1083
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: But I also think he can change directions and mirror

1084
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: routes things like that. He's like six two, He's exactly

1085
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: what the Patriots need, like most six two two oh

1086
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: five corners. Long speed's going to be the question. Does

1087
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: he have enough long speed to hang in a high

1088
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: volume role on the outside of the NFL or is

1089
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: he just going to be a matchup guy where when

1090
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: you're facing a six or four, when you're facing T Higgins,

1091
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 1: you might have him guard T Higgins. But then next

1092
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: week when Tyree Kill and Jail and Waddle come to

1093
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: town now, he can't play right like, and that's what

1094
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: you have to avoid, I think. But I want to

1095
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: see what Deontay Banks runs in the forty, and I

1096
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 1: also want to see what your guy runs in the forty. Yeah,

1097
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: Julius Brent's everybody knows I'm a huge fan of his.

1098
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: But every time I bring him up, oh he's sixty three,

1099
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: everybody goes on Juan Williams right right now. I want

1100
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: to see him run this forty already so we really

1101
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: know how fast he is. Either A, I can continue

1102
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: on the Julius Brent's hype train and say no, he's

1103
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: like big and fast, or B I can go find

1104
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: somebody else if he doesn't run a good right But

1105
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 1: I think he will looks fast to me on tape.

1106
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: That's the biggest thing with Juwan Williams is that I

1107
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: think that it's an important conversation to have and I

1108
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: plan on trying to hash this out a little bit

1109
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: further at some point, maybe on the show. And that

1110
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: is why did they miss on Juwan Williams? Like why so?

1111
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 1: Because if they were going to go with that mold

1112
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: again and they're trying going to try to get a

1113
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: six foot plus corner again. Yea, then they have to

1114
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: avoid another Juan Williams. Right. So I think the biggest

1115
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: thing with Juan Williams it was you, like a four

1116
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: six guy, four six four I have right here, four

1117
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: six four can't That's that was why they missed, right,

1118
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: he just doesn't have to place. SP's not fast enough

1119
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: to play in the NFL at corner at least. So

1120
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: if Julius Brents runs a four to five instead of

1121
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: a four to six four, then it's fine. All yeah,

1122
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: safety safety, I'm gonna go. So this guy's like super

1123
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: undertalked about. Honestly, Christopher Smith from Georgia. I say this

1124
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: all the time. There's not a ton of free safeties.

1125
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: Just take any Georgia coming out, that's fair. But no,

1126
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: I like him specifically because he's a true free safety, yeah,

1127
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: that you don't see a lot of coming out of college.

1128
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: I think his instincts are off the chart. I think

1129
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: he can probably play single high. You know, we'll see

1130
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: kind of where his speed and a Jilli's at. But

1131
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: everybody wants to get all hot and bothered about the

1132
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: Alabama safeties and then we skip right down to Trey

1133
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: Dean Right Chris Sir. Smith's kind of in the middle there.

1134
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: I think he can play. I want to see him

1135
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: get on the radar. So he was. He was a

1136
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl guy too, by the way, he had a

1137
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: good Senior Bowl. Georgia has Christopher Smith and then Alabama's

1138
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: got two safeties as well. They both do, so my

1139
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: top four safeties are no. I meant Georgia had two

1140
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: safeties too, right was the other one ty Key Smith?

1141
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: So they both named Smith. Yeah's confusing. Ty Key Smith

1142
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: is such a Patriot because he plays deep box, slot

1143
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: and boundary like he's listed as a safety, but he

1144
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: he's a defensive back. He is a defensive back. He's

1145
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: supposed to go like day or late Day two, early

1146
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: day three. That's a guy could totally see the Patriots taking.

1147
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: But I don't know that he's a replacement for Devin mccordy.

1148
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 1: He's more hedging your bets. You can't resign Kyle Dugger.

1149
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: Christopher Smith to me can step in year one and

1150
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: maybe play that Devin mccordy role. I'm just really I'm

1151
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: surprised that that that bill hasn't tapped into the Georgia.

1152
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: I know it's sometimes it's impossible because as as you know,

1153
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter's gonna go number two overall, and it's not

1154
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: like they're picking there. But I'm just I'm surprised that

1155
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: they haven't tapped into Georgia yet because I feel like

1156
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 1: every time I watched their defense, Kirby runs his defense

1157
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: so much like the Patriots defense, right, like it's the

1158
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: scheme is so so it's so it's just like drafting

1159
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: defenders from from Saban and the guy I'm gonna go

1160
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: with is from Saban and from Alabama, and that's Brian Branch,

1161
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 1: who I really think if Devin mccordy decides to retire,

1162
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: I really think Brian Banch could be the pick in

1163
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 1: the first round for the Patriots. This guy, so Branch

1164
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: played the star role for a Saban, which is the

1165
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: slot defender. He was in the slot. He's a nickel,

1166
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: all right, But I don't think that that's where he's

1167
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: gonna be in the NFL. The main he's they listen

1168
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: him at six feet like one ninety five. Yeah, I

1169
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: don't think you're playing star nickel in the NFL had

1170
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: one ninety five, because that's that's truly strong side linebacker

1171
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: in today's league, right, because there's you. You don't you're

1172
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: playing nickel seventy five percent of the time, so you

1173
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: don't have three linebackers on the field a whole lot.

1174
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: So you're gonna have as a nickel, you need to

1175
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: be a take on player, like you need to be

1176
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: able to play the round. You need to be able

1177
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: to set the edge, and you need to be able

1178
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: to take on guys in the box at one ninety five.

1179
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:12,959
Speaker 1: I don't think you're doing that. So I think Brian

1180
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: Branch is gonna play further away from the football in

1181
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: the NFL. I really look at him and see him

1182
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 1: as somebody that could play free safety, play center field,

1183
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: can play a little bit of Devin mccordy's role, where

1184
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, mccordy moves around a little bit. I know

1185
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: everybody always thinks of him as a center fielder for

1186
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: the Patriots, but he moves around a little bit. His

1187
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: play speed is electric, his instincts are great, His clicking

1188
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 1: clothes on the football is excellent and dominant at times.

1189
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: His game against Kansas State was ridiculous. I mean, he

1190
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: just took over the game on the defense side of

1191
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: the ball for Alabama. I really like Brian Branch. He's

1192
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: one of my highest rated prospects in this draft for

1193
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: the guys that I watch. You know, Alex, you know this,

1194
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: But I take out the top of the guy draft guys, right,

1195
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't waste my time on Jalen Carter

1196
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: and Will Anderson, right, they're not going to be Patriots.

1197
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,280
Speaker 1: So out of the guys that I have walk watched,

1198
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: Brian Branch has one of the highest grades out of

1199
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: all those guys. And again, I think he really his

1200
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: best NFL positions probably free safety, not not nickel. I

1201
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,479
Speaker 1: just don't think he's big enough to play the nickel.

1202
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: That's fair, all right. So that wraps it up. Alex,

1203
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: you gotta get going. I gotta get going. Yep, you

1204
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: gotta get I'll be on Felgren as a four class football.

1205
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: If you're not sick of Alex yet, you should go

1206
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: listen to him on F and M with with with

1207
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: Joe Murray, Right, Jim, it's Jim Murray and Tim mcconaugh. Jim,

1208
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: I said, Joe, didn't, I you did? Yeah, f F

1209
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: and m Are are not are not there. So Alex

1210
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: is gonna lead the show. That's that's what I'm predicting.

1211
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,439
Speaker 1: He's going to carry this show. So you go listen

1212
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: to Alex on F and M if you're not sick

1213
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,959
Speaker 1: of him already. And like I said, we'll be back

1214
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: next week. I'll be an indie, so we'll do a

1215
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: combine show. Alex will drive the ship and I'll tell

1216
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: you what I've been seeing and hearing and what shoulders

1217
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: I brushed up against in Saint Almos and all sorts

1218
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: of things from the combine next week. So we'll see

1219
00:57:54,800 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: you guys then, And thanks so much for listening. Thank

1220
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: you for downloading this podcast, Subscribe on Apple, Google Play,

1221
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