1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to Move the Sticks. I am excited today because 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,159 Speaker 1: I'm joined by my good buddy Land Saleen stepping in 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: for d J. L Ze. How you doing, I'm doing good? 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: What's up? But man, it is all good. So look, 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: we got a jam Pack podcast today. We're gonna talk 7 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: about a few different things. We got some big UH signings. 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: George Kittle signs everything, Griffin signs. We're gonna deal with 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: the fallout of the Big ten and the Pac twelve 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: UH postponing their seasons, and then we're gonna talk about 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: some of the opt out guys that you have been 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: working on. So, without further ado, let's get right to it. 13 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: Um Lands right out the gate, George Kittle signs a 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 1: five year, seventy five million all extension with the San 15 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: Francisco forty niners. Thirty million of that guaranteed at signing. 16 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: What are you immediate thoughts? I mean, you know, he's 17 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 1: the best in the game in terms of being an 18 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: impact player right now and explosive creates, the explosive plays. 19 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: He's right there with Travis Kelsey obviously, but I think 20 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: the big difference is he's a guy that fits in 21 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: the Kyle Kyle Shanahan's um run blocking as well. He's 22 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: got dog in him and he's a He's a good 23 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: run blocker, and I think that's one of the reasons 24 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: that you see him as the highest pig. We all 25 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: love Travis Kelsey, and I think the personalities of those 26 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: two tight ends are very very similar on the field. 27 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: They're brazen, they're they're cocky, they're talented, but you know, 28 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: of the two, one of them is a much better 29 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: blocker and has an impact on the zone scheme stuff 30 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: that they do. So there's no doubting what he can 31 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: do down the field, and that offense really does take 32 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: advantage of the tight end position. But one thing I 33 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: learned when when Kyle Shanahan was here with Gary Kubiak 34 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: and studying Gary Kuback's offense for years here in Houston, 35 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: is that when they had Owen Daniels, who was a 36 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: good tight end, you can take an average blocker and 37 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: make him an above average blocker. You can take a 38 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: below average and make him an average if they're willing 39 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: to work. Kittle came out of Iowa. When I wrote 40 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: him up and I was like, man, he's he's a 41 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: little undersized, but he's he's a plus blocker at his position. 42 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: And now he's really elevated his game. And we see 43 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: now that he's outside of Iowa's offense and he's inside 44 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: of a Shanahan offense. He's become who he's become. Yeah, 45 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: he's become a dominant player. And I think what's interesting 46 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: is the level of compensation. So they're paying him right 47 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: at fifteen million dollars. Lance had to Bible to look 48 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: look the numbers up. Lance Johnson, like Larman Tunson is 49 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: in another statusty when it comes to left tackles. But 50 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: Lanz Johnson's right there at eighteen million dollars. Austin Hooper 51 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: is at ten point five million dollars. He was the 52 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: top of the market. I think he is being compensated 53 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: for being the unique talent that he is. Yes, he's 54 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: a tight end of pass catching tight end that makes place, 55 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: but he's also a dominant blocker and I think they 56 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: slotted him in as such. He is a unique player 57 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: at the position at a time where it is hard 58 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: to find what I call those old school why tight ends. 59 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: He's an old school why Plus, he's he's he's an 60 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 1: old school why plus he has the ability to really 61 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: make plays in the passing game. And I think his agent, um, 62 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: they wanted to make sure that he was compensated for 63 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: in the special player that he is. Yeah, and and 64 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: they did just at and I don't think that. I 65 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: think it's also a shout out to the fact that 66 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: when you think about some of the offenses we've seen 67 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: in the past, um, Kansas City previously before Tyreek, but 68 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: but especially with Tony Gonzalez, you've seen, uh, Philip Rivers 69 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 1: and the Chargers with Antonio Gates. We have seen offenses 70 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: that can run behind a dominant tight end. You don't 71 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 1: have to have dominant classic wide receiver ones for these 72 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: offenses to to go. I mean, you you'd prefer to 73 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 1: have both. But I think with San Francisco we've seen 74 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: I mean, they went to a Super Bowl and and 75 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: they had you know, they had some good wide receivers, 76 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: but I mean travel but but you, um, we're talking 77 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: about a tight end who has in Kittle, who has 78 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: the ability to create mismatches that are really really difficult 79 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: to solve. And I think you made a that's pretty interesting. 80 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: I hadn't really thought about that. So Lane Johnson was 81 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: eighteen million, and then the Texans for whatever reason, went 82 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: about twenty two percent over over that value for you know, 83 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: for Laramy Tunsil. And then you look at this number 84 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: and it does feel like a minus tackle, like you're 85 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: dropping on the tackle front. And that's a really interesting 86 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: way to look at that because he does have a 87 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: unique impact on on on the running game. Yeah. I mean, 88 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: he's such a dominant block and when you've seen the 89 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: statistics based on how he impacts the forty nine is 90 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: run game. There, yards for carry goes up, their explosive 91 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: runs go up when he is on the field. Um, 92 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: I think you have to treat him like a unique 93 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: difference maker. I think another guy who was a difference 94 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: maker who really set on the market for a long 95 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: time was Everything Griffin. Everything Griffin signs a one year 96 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: contract that is valued up to six million dollars with 97 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. Um, you know, this is one of 98 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: the better pass rushers in the league. What is your 99 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: thought of him joining the Cowboys? What does he add 100 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: to that team? Well, I mean even last year at 101 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: eight sacks, he might not be the same guy He's 102 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: gonna turn thirty three in December, but he is special 103 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: from a standpoint of speed to power. There's not a 104 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: lot of guys who are the bullies on the edge 105 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: that he is. And even though he's been in the 106 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 1: league for a while, he still has something left in 107 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: the tank. We know that. So now you've added Aldon Smith, 108 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: who is a real wild card. We don't know what 109 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna see from him. You've added Everson Griffin, And 110 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: when I look at the I look at who else 111 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: the Cowboys have and said, Okay, why did they need 112 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: to go get Everson Griffin? First of all, it's a 113 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: great contract, three year base, three years worth of bonuses, 114 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: six million total nothing for a player that they can 115 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: have the impact for him. That's a phenomenal deal for 116 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: the team. And you know, there's another way to look 117 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: at it. We know Lawrence as a baller, but then 118 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: you look at who else can help out. So I 119 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: looked at the depth and you've got Joe Jackson, who 120 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: they drafted the fifth, kind of a little bit of 121 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: a stiff, big, strong edge guy, but you know, not 122 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: really anyone to get you excited. They drafted Bradley and 123 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: I this year. This maybe their way of saying, look, 124 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: we think Bradley and I is gonna take a while. 125 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: We're not sure he's the guy right now, because this 126 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: could be a one year rental. And that's not a 127 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: bad thing for a guy like Bradley and I, who 128 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: was a middle round pick to learn under Everson Griffin 129 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: a little bit, even though they're different style of rushers. 130 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: So if you want to win now, that's a good 131 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: pick up. He is a guy, Bucky that you're getting 132 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: on the cheap, and he's a player who you know. 133 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: I think players on the Cowboys can really learn from 134 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: him because he is uniquely suited to teach guys the 135 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: the art of bullyball and that's what he plays on 136 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: the edge. Yeah, I think this really speaks to what 137 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: Mike Nolan wants to do. I think Mike Nolan was 138 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: kind of was forced. Like Mike Nolan is a three 139 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: four disciple. That's what he really loves. That's the defensive 140 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: scheme that he that he wants to eventually move to 141 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: the Cowboys to Mike McCarthy has said on record that 142 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: they wanted to be a four man front. When I 143 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: looked at the personnel, Proud of everything Griffin, they were 144 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: going to be forced to be more of a hybrid 145 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: for a three team because when you look at Alden Smith, 146 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: Randy Gregory, if reinstated Bradley and I, the guys that 147 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: they had playing the opposite ed rusher from d Law, 148 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: they were more stand up three four guys. Well, now 149 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: that you get Everson Griffin, he is clearly the starter 150 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: at the opposite end, and it allows them to really 151 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: play a true four three. Now with Alden Smith and 152 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: Randy Gregory, you can put those guys in as like 153 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: those designated hitters when they come off the bench. Yeah, 154 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: you can stand them up and do some of the 155 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: exotic stuff that you want to do from at three four, 156 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: but you're not married to having to play that three 157 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: four scheme. I think it really gave them a legitimate 158 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: Russia and also think he's an upgrade over what Robert 159 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: Quinn was. You know, are they going, I'm trying to 160 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: recall Minnesota ever reduced him down inside on rushdowns. I 161 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: don't think they had any reason to. I wonder if 162 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: that's something they're gonna consider, is taking Griffin, reducing him 163 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: down so that they can get those those those dprs 164 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: like Gregory, like Aldon Smith on the field. They certainly 165 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: can because when you have Gerald McCoy and Dontery Pot 166 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: on the inside, Jeral McCoy has has ballooned a little 167 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: bit in terms of his size. He can kicked down 168 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: and play the one technique. If you do slap everything 169 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: Griffin inside and bring Arden Smith off the bench to 170 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: let him be the rusher on the backside, you certainly 171 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: have a NASCAR package that is intriguing. And I think 172 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: that's a good observation on you because I don't think 173 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: you want to keep don Terry Poel on the field 174 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: on third down on obviously rushdowns. No. And it is 175 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: interesting though, because they're putting together a hell of a 176 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: team from two thousand and seventeen, like McCoy and Poe, 177 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: and you hear these names and you say, damn grib 178 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: you know everything Griffin, po McCoy. Now you're seeing how 179 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: much you still have left, how much his name, how 180 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: much is game? And that's always once you hit thirty plus, 181 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 1: it's always a question of how much his name and 182 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: how much this game because those guys are always going 183 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: to carry their reputation. Fans are gonna get a hype 184 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: about a guy like Everson Griffin coming in because of 185 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: the name. But I think, what what Everson Griffin? The 186 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: game is still there? Is it what it was in 187 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: his prime and his peak? No, it's probably not. But 188 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be with Deal on the other end, No, 189 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be. You just need to have 190 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: a guy that defensive fear or offensive fear, and guys 191 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: who can take advantage of lesser tackles in front of him. 192 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: So I think that's what he's gonna provide. I think 193 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: I think this is a very shrewd move by Dallas. 194 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting that we still have Jadeveon 195 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: Clowney unsigned. And I don't know if this is more 196 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: of a function of Jadeveon saying notice of money he 197 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: maybe should have said yes to earlier in the process, 198 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: teams not buying into his work ethic. I can tell 199 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: you this just a little hint some insight here. He's 200 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: working out here in Houston. I talked to Danny Arnold, 201 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: I talked to an NFL personnel executive who was here 202 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: in Houston, and I talked to my dad who was 203 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: working out with Max Sharp in the offensive guard with 204 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: the Texans, and he was He got a chance to 205 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: talk to Jadeveon Clowney at Danny Arnold's workout facility here 206 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: in Houston. He said, Lance, I gotta tell you, I 207 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: was really impressed with him. He seems like he's really matured. 208 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: He understands that that he needs to pick up the 209 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: pace and become a better player and get more skilled. 210 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: Um you know, he and my add we're talking about 211 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: old line D line stuff, pass rush versus pass protection. 212 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: He came away impressed with him. A personal guy I 213 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: talked to came away very impressed with him. I personally 214 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: believe that he's well worth the one year test run. 215 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: Uh for Jadeveon Clanning, I think he can have a 216 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: big impact. But I think it's curious that he's not 217 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: signed yet. And I wonder if this is really Jadeveon 218 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: being his own worst enemy in terms of what he's 219 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: willing to take at this point and reading the market. Yeah, 220 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: I think, um and bringing Jadeveon clowning, yup. I think 221 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: two things are at play. One. I don't think j 222 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: Davion Clowne has a true understanding of what his value is. Um. 223 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: You typically don't pay twenty million dollars for a run 224 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: stopping defensive end. And because he's never had double digit sacks. Um, 225 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: he's always kind of teased you and want left you 226 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: wanting more. I don't think you can commit major money 227 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: to him, even though there were teams that were willing 228 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: to pay him a bunch of money on his reputation 229 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: being a former number one pick. And the flash is dead. 230 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: He's displayed the other thing I would say, this is 231 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: about Jadevian Clowney and the work ethic and those things. 232 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien got like blasted when he traded Jadevian Clowney. 233 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: But when you talk to some people in that building, 234 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: he wasn't the hardest worker. He didn't want to necessarily 235 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: be their training camp. He was always looking for a 236 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: way out when it came to victory Monday. Um. Look 237 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: his reputation as being kind of a lukewarm worker that 238 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: goes all the way back to South Carolina. And so 239 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: we can talk to him now, he can talk about 240 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: picking it up. But man, ken a leopard change his spots. 241 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: Is it too late for us to buy into Jadeveon 242 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 1: Clowney being the the next version of new, improved version 243 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: of the guy that entered the league years and years ago. 244 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: You know, you make a great point going back to 245 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: South Carolina, that was the big concern was work ethic, 246 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: but the talent and the trades, you know, one out 247 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: and and here he was the first pick and he's 248 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: been a you know what is interesting for a guy 249 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: who does have the reputation. I've heard some of the 250 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: same things behind the scenes in terms of, you know, 251 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: the work ethic here with the Texans as well. However, 252 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: I will say, and this is this is to his credit. 253 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: When the lights are on and the kickoff is kicked, 254 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: he plays hard. If you watch him and isolate him 255 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: on tape, he is chasing him from the back side. 256 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: That that that the plays where usually guys who don't 257 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: have the great motors were gett down. You don't really 258 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: see that with Clowney. And that's a little unusual for 259 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: me based on his you know, perceived work ethic and 260 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: some of those issues. But I think you're you're hitting 261 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: on something that's very important, which is second contracts and 262 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: guaranteed money. As second contracts, boy, those are usually reserved 263 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: for guys who are ultra productive or have phenomen or 264 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: who are who are productive like Clowny, who have great 265 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: football character. And I think the reputation for him is 266 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: he doesn't have the great football character. He has the talent, 267 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: he has the ability. He's not a bad guy. And 268 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: I didn't have a problem with Bill O'Brien trading and 269 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: I thought maybe he could have got a little bit 270 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: more for him. But if you look, if you don't 271 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: like and I don't know your thoughts on this, Bucky, 272 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: but I don't have a problem. I've heard a lot 273 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: of people say, also he doesn't practice hard. Who cares? 274 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: You know, it's what he does in the game, no 275 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 1: setting the tempo, setting the tone, setting the culture. It 276 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: is very important. It was important to the Steelers when 277 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: everyone in championships. It's been important to the Ravens, it's 278 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: been important to the Patriots. It does matter. Culture does matter. 279 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. And it's it's funny because um Jeami 280 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: Klanni is holding out hope for that big contract. But 281 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: a guy who was able to get that contract because 282 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: he does exhibit those things that you're talking about. A 283 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 1: Joey Joey Bosa. Joey Bosa recently signed that five year, 284 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty five million dollar deal that just 285 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: put him in a different stratosphere when it came to 286 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: the amount of money that he collects as a pass rusher. 287 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: But we got a chance to see him signed that 288 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: deal on hard Knocks and Hard Knocks. UM was fascinating 289 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: to me to watch, only because there's so much about 290 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: the bubble that we don't know, right. We've heard so 291 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: much about the testing and how teams have reconfigured their facilities. 292 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: Last I don't know about you, but having a peek 293 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: inside behind the curtain to see what teams are going 294 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: UM a completely different way of life when it comes 295 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: to the NFL training camps. Yeah, I thought it was incredible. 296 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: We we've heard about the bubble from the NBA and 297 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: it's been mostly successful. We know about some of the 298 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: problems that Major League Baseball has had, you know. I 299 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: think unfortunately I've heard Max Kellerman and some other people 300 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: on national shows. I think they've said some really unfair 301 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: things about the NFL doesn't have a plan, the NFL 302 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: doesn't have the protocols in place, they're not sharing information. 303 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: I just don't think that's been accurate. They do have protocols, 304 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: just because they're not putting everything out there publicly, doesn't 305 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: mean they're not communicating with the teams. We were on 306 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: a conference call a couple of weeks ago with with 307 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: with Dr Sills of the NFL, and I thought it 308 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: was a great car. I really got gleaned a lot 309 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: of information, and I came away from that call feeling very, 310 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: very confident about the league. Plane. Then I talked to 311 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: a friend of mine who's a director of personnel for 312 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: an NFL team, who he told me about his proto 313 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: their protocols and and what they did for um COVID 314 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: testing on a daily basis and and results are coming 315 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: back at four am. They were getting email emails of 316 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: their results, and he told me about the cleaning process 317 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: and the way he was blown away. Then we actually 318 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: see it firsthand on Hard Knocks, and I think it's 319 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: hard to come away from watching that Hard Knocks, and 320 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: if you've been reading on this, which we have, it's 321 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: hard to come away from all of this and not 322 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: think the NFL has given itself. And I'm just being 323 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: straight up, not because we're doing this podcast. I'm just 324 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: being real. I think they've given themselves the best opportunity 325 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: to have a successful season with the amount of time, effort, 326 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, frankly money that they're putting into it. Yeah, 327 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: I think they really set themselves up well. I think 328 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: from the testing standpoint for the way they've reconfigured the facilities. 329 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: We saw the l A rams kind of move everything outside, 330 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: uh so they can have their meetings and the space 331 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: uh we I mean the testing is remarkable in terms 332 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: of the amount of times they getting tested, how they're 333 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: getting tested, uh, some of the practices that they're implementing, 334 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: uh doing the practice day in terms of the social 335 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: distancing and those things. I think it's gonna go all 336 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: without a hitch. And it's one of the things that 337 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated now. The next time I see Hard Knocks, 338 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: I would like to see a little more ball. I 339 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: would like to see input the helmets on and do 340 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: a little bit more. And so I do believe that 341 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna get a chance to see that. And so 342 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: just make sure everyone that is tuning in make sure 343 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: you check out the Hard Knocks podcast hosted by Peter Schrager. 344 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: Also Hard Knocks the TV show airs next week Tuesday 345 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: at ten pm Eastern on HBO. You Know You mentioned 346 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: by the way, Joey Bosa, where does he come from? 347 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: How you stayed the Ohio State sea, Bucky as a 348 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: radio professional and you're also in the radio business. Now, 349 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: this is what's known as a segue, and so as 350 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: I segue, it's into the Ohio State in the Big Ten. 351 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: You know, the big talk on my sports talk radio 352 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: show over the last two days has been will there 353 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: won't they with the Big Ten and the Pack twelve. 354 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: Well we got the answer, and the Big Ten shutdown 355 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: college football. The Pac twelve shutdown college football as we 356 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: record this. The three other Power five com perences are 357 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: still planning on playing football. But this has really gotten 358 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: interesting for me because the early opt outs Bucky were 359 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: giving me a chance to get a headstart on guys 360 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: that were going pros um and I didn't make one mistake. 361 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: A guy named Jordan Read a tackle for Michigan State. 362 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: I saw he was opting out. So I'm watching tape. 363 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: I'm literally writing him up. I've almost got his right 364 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: up completed, and I realized, wait a minute, he could 365 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: technically go back to school. I need to check into this, 366 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: and sure enough, he said, I'm taking this year off, 367 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: but I am coming back to school and working on 368 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: my graduate degree in one and I realized, you know, 369 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: you have to be careful on optouts because that doesn't 370 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: mean everybody is going pro. That means they're just taking 371 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: the year off. And the same thing can be said, 372 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: uh for for the potential pro prospects and even seniors 373 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: in the Pac twelve and in the Big Ten. But 374 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: without a doubt buckets, I'm already faced with some very 375 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: interesting challenges looking at guys like Rondel Moore from Purdue 376 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 1: who was already opting out and going to the NFL. 377 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: All well, I mean, this is the guy who's played 378 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: seventeen games. He played I think three games last year, 379 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: four games last year before he got hurt. I think 380 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: he played four games. He was in his fifth game 381 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: before he got hurt. So I'm having to go back 382 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: and watch all of a team to ride him up, 383 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: uh in the limited amount of targets in nineteen, I'm 384 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: going back for a guy like Walker Little from Stanford Bucky. 385 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: I gotta go back to eighteen and eighteen only because 386 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: he didn't play in two thousand nineteen and I don't 387 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: even know if he's coming out, but Walker Little, if 388 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: he comes out, I've got to go two years back 389 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: because I won't have any tape on him in nineteen 390 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: at all, and he won't have played football for two 391 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: straight years. So now I've got to consider that and 392 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: making projections. This is and you'll find it when you 393 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: have to get into a full time This is really 394 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: going to be a challenge because now, um, you've got 395 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: other players who are going to be coming out in 396 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 1: in in you know, in the Pack twelve and the 397 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 1: Big ten that we're gonna have to write up, and 398 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to rely on old tape. And that's 399 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: just the way it is. There's no way around it. 400 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: Now there's a way around it. So it'll be interesting 401 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: because lands this is a year where, um, a lot 402 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: of times, you know, because you have guys that are 403 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: not only high end scouts, for guys that are still 404 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: kind of making their way as area scales or college 405 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: scouts and just kind of doing it. This would be 406 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: the year where those guys would be the most important 407 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: part of the evaluation process. Those guys that have minded area, 408 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: that have done all the dirty work in the background 409 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: work for the last couple of years. They'll have to 410 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: lean on some of their contexts in the tape evaluations 411 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: to be able to make those things happen. So, Bucky, 412 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: let me ask you this question. As an area scout. 413 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 1: Let's say you have the Pack twelve where you have 414 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: UM the big tent. The tape is a tape. You 415 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: can get even deeper into it if you want. But 416 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: but what is it that an area scout is gonna 417 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: be doing now for a big tent prospect who's coming out? Like? 418 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: Is it all p I work basically where you're having 419 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: to go behind the scenes, Like what do you think 420 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: that an area scout can do now? Well, I think 421 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: it has to be the PR work. And if you 422 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: have done uh, your your job, Like if you've been 423 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: in the same area for a while, you already kind 424 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: of knew who was coming down the pipeline. So you 425 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: knew about the shan Ways before he was UM coming 426 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: up to this year. You you knew about justin fields. 427 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: You heard about the reputation. Also, you play a close 428 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 1: attention to the guys that come in with like the 429 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: heavy high school reputation, and so you have to lean 430 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: on those things. You gotta do some PR work, man, 431 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: you gotta call you guys at the school that you 432 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: really trust and get the intel on these guys. But 433 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: then what you have to do, even more this year 434 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: than any other year. You have to be able to 435 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: look at eighteen and nineteen tape and kind of project 436 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: how the player would play or how we would continue 437 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: to develop um and make that evaluation lands. It really 438 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: reminds me back into early two thousand's when you were scouting. 439 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: This is before it was always a million underclassman coming in. 440 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: It would only be a handful of juniors that would 441 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: come in, and back then you couldn't talk about the 442 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: juniors when you were on your visits, so you would 443 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: have to kind of run back and figure out who 444 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: these guys are. I think this year would be more 445 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: like the early two thousand's when it comes to that, 446 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: far more projections, And I will say the scary part 447 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: of it is when you're drafting based off projections, the 448 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: the the hit and misrate really fluty weights because you 449 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: really don't know what you're getting, as opposed to maybe 450 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: kind of going for the double on the guy that 451 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: has played three or four years and you have that 452 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: table him so you at least know what his floor 453 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: is based on how he's improved. Over the course of 454 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: his time. I got two guys for you that that 455 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: that nails, two guys that I have concerns about because 456 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: I'm having to project them now. So one is Greg Russo, 457 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: the defensive end, and I know DJ is very very 458 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,239 Speaker 1: high on him. Uh. I got a call. You know, 459 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: you know how this works. I get a call from 460 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: a team from a guy on the team UM who says, hey, 461 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: have you watched or he Yeah, I know. He calls 462 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: he said, have you watched the kid from Miami the 463 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: d N I said no, not yet. He said, I 464 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: want you to watch him and tell me what you think. 465 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: I said, you know, it's funny that you say that, 466 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: because I just saw something that that DJ said where 467 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: DJ is really high. He goes, okay, thank you. This 468 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: is why I'm calling you. What is DJ looking at 469 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: I don't see him as a like? And he was 470 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: going off saying, and he talked to some other people 471 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: on a couple of other teams and and they don't 472 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: see it either. They don't see a top ten type player. 473 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: Now I turned a tape on and I and I 474 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: get it. I get it. But he's long, he's gaining weight, 475 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: he's a former wide receiver who has one year of 476 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: defensive end. The dude had fifteen and a half sacks. 477 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: He had a ton of tackles, uh tackles for losses. 478 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: But as this personnel guy said, wait a minute, go 479 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: watch the tape. I said, well, you know, I know 480 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: DJ is hyped on the production and he's only done 481 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: it for one year and he's already fifteen and a 482 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: half sacks. He goes, go watch where he does it 483 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: from zero technique. He's he's being he's on the move 484 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: from zero technique against centers and guards on games up 485 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: front where he's getting some good matchups and easy looks. 486 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: That's not what he's gonna see in the NFL. And 487 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: so when I watched him, so I got one year tape. Okay, 488 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: let me start with the negatives. I got one year tape. 489 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: He's not a guy that consistently threatens the edge with twitch. 490 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: He's not a super twitchy guy. Yes, he's very long, 491 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: but his skill level is still underdeveloped and um and 492 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: he needs to get much stronger in his lower body. 493 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: He's a little bit thin on the lower body. Okay, 494 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: here's how you gotta flip it. The guy's had one 495 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: year a defensive end from wide receiver and he already 496 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: put together production for you. Number two. He's going to 497 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: get better. He's going to get more skilled with more times, 498 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: his hands gonna get better. He's gonna learn how to 499 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: attack the edge a little bit better and grease the edge. Um, 500 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: I didn't think he was soft. I thought he was 501 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: kind of finesse, but I didn't think he was soft. 502 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: And there's a big difference. I think he has some 503 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: dog mentality inside him because I could see him take 504 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: on double teams. He's just not a big, burly guy 505 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: and it's got to learn to bend better. But I 506 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: didn't think he was soft. But but I don't know now. 507 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 1: But this is all I got, Bucky. This is all 508 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: I got. Caleb Farley, cornerback for for Virginia Tech. I'm 509 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: like man KYLEB. Farley gets lost in coverage from off coverage, 510 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: but I like him from press. But he only pressed 511 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 1: twenty seven percent of the time according to Pro Football 512 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: Focus as alignment numbers. So he only pressed twenty seven 513 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: percent of the time. I liked what I saw when 514 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: he pressed. I loved the the size, I love the 515 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: makeup speed, But the tape was a little bit uneven 516 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: and in the same and I'm gonna tell you something. Essentially, 517 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: the same guy that was beating up Rousseau, he told 518 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: me I need to be careful about beating up Farley 519 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: because he only had two years at cornerback because he 520 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: wasn't he was a quarterback in high school. So there's 521 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: kind of some of the inconsistency of an NFL guy 522 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: saying I don't care. You know, you got to give 523 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: this corner more time to learn the position. He's only 524 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: had two years, but he didn't extend the same courtesy, 525 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: if you will, uh to Rousseau. So it's it's tough, buck, 526 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: It's tough to use this on these projecting these two 527 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: year guys who are changing positions. So since obums right, 528 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: So first about the Russoau thing. The Russou thing is 529 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: a little concerning only because like that's not a typical 530 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: transition that you see. You don't see guys that go 531 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: from being wide receivers to pass rushers. And so we 532 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: can talk about his game being finesse, but the thing 533 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 1: that would really reveal who he is. How does he 534 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: handle the run game at him when they line up 535 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: and they put the tight in at him. And it's 536 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: hard sometimes in the college tape to see them line up, 537 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: put a tightening over top and run right at him. 538 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,719 Speaker 1: How is he gonna do dealing with the George Kittles? 539 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: How's he gonna do with the Larmie Tunsil's that are 540 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: gonna be trying to find it? I couldn't fight in college, right, 541 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: so you won't see that. Also, when you move a 542 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: guy inside and you're moving him around to allow him 543 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: to use his speed and quickness, like, that's great, But 544 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: as the scout, you've gotta figure out how much of 545 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: that is transferable? Can he do that in the big 546 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: boy game? Can he go down inside and do those 547 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: same things? I just don't know, because man, when you 548 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: get down there, you're dealing with the monsters like that. 549 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: You don't like to put guys down there if they 550 00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: don't like to kind of get in the bar patch. 551 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: When it comes to those guys. With Caleb Farley, you 552 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: never scalped the helmet. But here's what I would tell 553 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: you about Virginia Tech and Virginia Tech corners. Virginia Tech 554 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: is under Bud Foster heavy blitz system. The ball has 555 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: to come out typically in Virginia Tech. Their corners do 556 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: not have to cover. For a long time, They've had 557 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: a lot of corners that have come out of there. 558 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: What was the kids named Macho, That was hype Jimmy Williams, 559 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: all those guys that have come out of there, that 560 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: says D'Angelo Williams. They haven't been able to necessarily big 561 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: long guys for the most part, they haven't been able 562 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: to do it. I will say when I looked at Farley, 563 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: I like the height, I like the athleticism, I like 564 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: some of the ball skills and traits. He does have 565 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: to improve his footwork from off. I thought, in the 566 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: right system, and I hate to keep saying this, the 567 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: Seattle system where they're really playing more zone, uh, Indianapolis 568 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: teams where he's playing zone, he can get eyes on 569 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: the quarterback. Um, I think the work. But Lance, I 570 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: think you bring up some stuff that we all will 571 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: have to work through. This. You were we doing the evaluations. 572 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: How do we gauge what a player is, how do 573 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: we project it, and how do we project it when 574 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: it comes to draft day? That is certainly gonna be 575 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: the challenge and scoring forward. Yeah, and when you look 576 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: at I mean the first pick of the draft is 577 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: the greatest example. Joe Burrow, to me, had a six 578 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: seventh round grade after I watched him in the summer tape. 579 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: Wasn't good, wasn't able to to to beat corners with 580 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 1: his arm. He was in a system that was not 581 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: made for him. The he got better in the offseason, 582 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: he got into a system that made more sense, he 583 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: gained confidence, he developed, and then he became the first 584 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,719 Speaker 1: pick of the draft. I mean, that's the most stark 585 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 1: example of how let's say Joe Burrow had a season canceled, 586 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: we would have never seen that Joe Burrow. That Joe 587 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: Burrow wouldn't have existed and may have never played football 588 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: on the professional level ever. Again, I thought Sony Michelle 589 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: looked like a third or fourth rounder when I watched 590 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: him um as a junior. Then when I watched his 591 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: senior year, I was like, dude, this guy is talented. 592 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: He looks like a better runner, and he ended up 593 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: going in the first round. So guys do help themselves 594 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: a lot that third year to fourth year or that 595 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: second year to third year. There's no question there's a jump, 596 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be a jump that we're gonna have 597 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: to project off of old tape and off of traits 598 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: and and man I I can't tell people, you know, Bucky, 599 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: that is gonna be a real, real challenge because mentality 600 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: of what type of how coachable are you and how 601 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: um much do you love the game to work on 602 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: it is gonna play a big part. And that's not 603 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: always easy for us to know unless we're getting information 604 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 1: from inside those programs. No, it's not and real real 605 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: quick before um we scoot um justin Field's trade, Lance 606 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: and even Trevor Lawrence. All of these quarterbacks that are 607 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: projected to potentially be at the top of the board, 608 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: they all the guys that are pretty much one year guys. 609 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: I know people are gonna talk about Trevor Lawrence been 610 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: a two year guy, but really when you look at him, 611 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: he's a one and a half year starter based on 612 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: how he played at Clemson. And so to think about 613 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: the quarterback, we know those guys are gonna be pushed 614 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: up the board, but Lance, it's going to be scarier 615 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: now than ever if you're a team in need of 616 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback, if you go all in on one 617 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: of these guys, what is going to be the plan 618 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: to get them ready to play. What do you quickly 619 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: see from those guys when when you've had a chance 620 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: to just kind of talk about him and look at him. Well, So, 621 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting. When I watched Haskins, I have 622 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: to bring up Haskins because he was a one year 623 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: guy and he was Awes from Ohio State. Haskins had 624 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: the arm, Haskins had the size. Haskins could throw the 625 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: deep ball. But there was there were some things that 626 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: Fields does when I watched him this year that I 627 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: feel like he has a better feel for the for 628 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: the game and Haskins Haskins was a guy who was 629 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: raised to be a quarterback. I thought haskins football intelligence 630 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: is a big plus for him. But there was something 631 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: about justin Fields field for the game, and he said 632 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: a little more scapable as well, which certainly helps um. 633 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: I like what I've seen from Trevor Lawrence. I didn't 634 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: think last year's tape was deep default first pick of 635 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: the draft stuff. I think we're working off of traits 636 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: and we're working off the fresh years. Yeah, I think 637 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: because people have just put his name up there like 638 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: he's a no brander, I don't think they've studied in 639 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: the two games that I would say, go back and 640 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: watch Ohio State in l s U. He know he 641 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: made some big plays in the OHIOO State game. He 642 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: was not Um at a level. And I'm gonna be 643 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: honest with you, I feel like, justin fields, I'll played 644 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: him in that game, UM, with the exception that interception 645 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: at the end that I won't put on him, I 646 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: would put on the wide receiver. I felt like, I 647 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: felt like, justin fields, I'll play Trevor Lawrence. And I 648 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: know that Um, Lawrence is in the pole position, but 649 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: it would be interesting when people really dig in and look, 650 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a lock that he is 651 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: the number one. And then I'll say this about Trey 652 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: Lance before we get out. I love trade Lance, but 653 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: the challenge will be because Trade Lance played at a 654 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: slightly lower level of competition and he is a bit 655 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: of a one year player. How can you put him 656 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: on the same plane as Lawrence in fields when we 657 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: saw them play against high level competition weekend week out. 658 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: That's not a knock on Lance and not saying that 659 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: he can't do it, but I think from an evaluation standpoint, 660 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: you also have to scout the opposition, and he didn't 661 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: play the same level of competition consistently, and so I 662 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: do believe you've got to kind of just be a 663 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: little more conservative with your grade based on that fact. 664 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: So for Trey Lance, what I'm gonna do is, I'm 665 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: gonna I am going to grade him against I'm pulling 666 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: up my old scouting report um on Carson Wentz, and 667 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at strengths, weaknesses, and I'm gonna compare 668 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: the two and I'm grading him very specifically against Carson Wentz. 669 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: And my memory of of Wentz when I scouted him, 670 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: and I can tell you this, Carson Wentz I thought 671 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: I had some special leadership traits when I got to 672 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: watch him, talk to him, evaluate him at the Senior Bowl. 673 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: That was something that I had the advantage of of 674 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: doing that gave me a little bit better insight into 675 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. But I've got the tape against similar competition 676 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: that we're gonna see Lance. I mean, it's the same team. 677 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna look at the strengths that I had 678 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: for Wentz. I'm not gonna look at it until i'm 679 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: writing up Lance, and once i'm done writing him up. 680 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna see how he compares to Carson Wentz and 681 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: I think that's gonna give me a little bit better 682 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: feel because that's a better apples to apples comparison than 683 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: the saying Trevor Lawrence who has been in all these 684 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: high leverage games and fields who's been in all these 685 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: high leverage games versus the guy who hasn't been up 686 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: to this point. Yeah, it will be a very very 687 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: uh interesting evaluation and conversation at lants. I think we 688 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: gotta bring you back on so we can dig a 689 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: little deeper into these guys as we go through the process. 690 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: If you're inspired by the ongoing conversation with players, the 691 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: NFL launched NFL Votes to empower and improve our communities 692 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: through exercising the right to vote. Join the NFL family 693 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: by registering to vote today and make your voice heard 694 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: this November. 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