1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News. Good morning. I'm Amy 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: Morris and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the stories we're 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: following today. 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: Karen, We begin in Washington with a major story out 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 2: of the US Treasury. The Treasury Department says it was 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: hacked earlier this month by Chinese based cyber attackers. In 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: a letter to Congress, Treasury says the major cybersecurity incident 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: led to unauthorized accessing of workstations and unclassified documents. Bloomberg's 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: John Harney says the news is likely to further complicate 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: relations between Washington and Beijing. 11 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 3: US China relationship whi's cover a vast bass scope for 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 3: issues and agendas, etc. Has been improving somewhat, but this, 13 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 3: as a trumpet administration is about to take office, suggests 14 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 3: that much much remains to be resolved. 15 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: Bloomberg editor John Harney says the hackers gained access via 16 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 2: a third party software provider, Beyond Trust, which has contracts 17 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: with the Defense and Justice Departments. In a statement, the 18 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: Chinese Embassy in Washington called the claims smear attacks against 19 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 2: China without any factual basis. 20 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: Well Lamy over on Capitol Hill, the House votes Friday 21 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: on the speaker of the next US Congress, but Mike 22 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: Johnson's reelection bid remains uncertain. Yesterday, President elect Donald Trump 23 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: through his support behind the Republican congressman, but with a 24 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: thin GOP majority and Democrats expected to vote for Hakim 25 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: Jeffreys along party lines, Johnson can only afford to lose 26 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: one GOP vote, and yesterday, Arizona Representative Andy Biggs told 27 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: Fox News he has not publicly or privately committed to 28 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: voting for Johnson, and GOP representatives Andy Harris of Maryland 29 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: and Thomas Massey at Kentucky also signaled they might not 30 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: beck Johnson. Bloomberg's Joe matthew says a fight over the 31 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: speakership will make it harder for a president elect Trump 32 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: to govern on the mandate that got him re elected. 33 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 4: When it comes to the legislature, this is an incredibly 34 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 4: eight majority for Republicans in the House, and it could 35 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 4: get tighter. Donald Trump has actually tapped three members to 36 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 4: join his administration. If they all join, Mike Johnson has 37 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 4: a majority of one, and good luck renegotiating the tax 38 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 4: code right in an environment like that. We've got some 39 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 4: big stuff coming including the debt ceiling, that they were 40 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 4: unable to manage it. 41 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: Bloomer's Joe Matthew shes the Republicans who have signed possible 42 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: opposition to Mike Johnson, his House Speaker, are concerned about 43 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: government spending. 44 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: Elsewhere in Washington, President Biden marked Thursday, January ninth as 45 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 2: a national day of mourning for former US President Jimmy Carter, 46 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: who died at the age of one hundred. On Sunday, 47 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: US doc markets will close in observance as part of 48 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 2: a long standing American tradition. Bloomberg's Tyler Kendall has more 49 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: on what we can expect on January ninth. 50 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 5: We are expecting there to be a funeral procession first, 51 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 5: though Jimmy Carter will lie in state in Atlanta and 52 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 5: the Georgia State capital over the weekend. His body will 53 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 5: then be transported to Washington on Monday, where he then 54 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 5: will lie in state at the US Capitol. I've learned 55 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 5: that only twelve other presidents have had that honor of 56 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 5: lying in state at the US Capitol before his funeral 57 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 5: possession to the National Cathedral. 58 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's Tyler Kendall says President Biden has also expected to 59 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: deliver a eulogy for former President Carter on January ninth. 60 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: Well in politics overseas, amy German leaders are expressing anger 61 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: over Elon musks repeated public support to the country's far 62 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: right party AfD. In a televised New Year's Eve address, 63 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: German Chancellor Oloff Schultz said German citizens alone will decide 64 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: the direction of the country, not owners of social media channels. 65 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: Other major parties attacked Musk after he expressed support for 66 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: the AfD party. With less than two months until the election, 67 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: the conservative CDUCSU alliance has a comfortable lead in opinion polls, 68 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: with the AfD in second place and Schultz's SPD party 69 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: in third. 70 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, over in Asia, we are seeing positive signs from 71 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 2: China's economy to end the yearsident that Shijinping says, the 72 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 2: Chinese economy is expected to expand around five percent for 73 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, signaling that Beijing is on track to 74 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: meet its official targets now. This comes as new data 75 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 2: shows China's services activities expanding at the fastest pace in 76 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 2: nine months, while manufacturing grew for a third month in 77 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: a row. China is expected to set a twenty twenty 78 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: five growth target, similar to twenty twenty four. 79 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: Well elsewhere in Asia, amy a South Korean court as 80 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: issued an arrest warrant for President yunsuk u all over 81 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: insurrection allegations related to his short lived martial law declaration. 82 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: If executed, Yun would be the first sitting president in 83 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: South Korea's history to be arrested. It's unclear if investigators 84 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: will be able to take him into custody. Yun's team 85 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: is called the warrant illegal and invalid and plans to 86 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: seek an injunction from the Constitutional Court. 87 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: Let's turn out to markets. On the final trading day 88 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four, Global equities are on course for 89 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: their first quarterly loss of the year. Meanwhile, in the US, 90 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 2: the S and P and Nasdaq each declined more more 91 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 2: than one percent yesterday, marking the third time the indexes 92 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 2: dropped more than one percent over the past eight sessions. Still, 93 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 2: the S and B has gained more than twenty percent 94 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: on the year, driven by the rally in megacats tech stocks. 95 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 2: Anna wrathbund Cio at SEBIZ says, with the FED expected 96 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: to keep monetary policy tied in twenty twenty five to 97 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 2: bring inflation down to two percent, traders could see more 98 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 2: choppy sessions in the new year. 99 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 6: Two percent. 100 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 7: We need to revisit that and we need to really 101 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 7: talk about whether or not that's a realistic goal without 102 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 7: slowing down the economy. And we think that we're in 103 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 7: a higher for longer inflation environment, and that is that 104 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,799 Speaker 7: all of those things just basically mean higher tenure yield, 105 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 7: and that's one of the reasons why we think there's going. 106 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: To be price volatility and our wrathbund Cio at Sea 107 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 2: Biz says. Additional investor concerns in twenty twenty five range 108 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: from President elect Donald Trump's protectionist policies, to the health 109 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,119 Speaker 2: of the European and Chinese economies. 110 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: And finally, amy as we ring in the new year, 111 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: estimates from the US Census Bureaus say the world population 112 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: will be almost eight point one billion people on January first. 113 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: We get more on that with the Bloomberg's Charlie Pellett. 114 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 6: Those estimates say the global population increased by more than 115 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 6: seventy one million people in twenty twenty four, representing a 116 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 6: point nine percent increase, which was a slight slowdown from 117 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 6: twenty twenty three, when the world population grew by seventy 118 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 6: five million people. The US meanwhile expanded by two point 119 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 6: six million people, and on New Year's Day, the population 120 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 6: count will be three hundred and forty one million people. 121 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 6: The nation is expected to have one berth every nine 122 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 6: seconds and one death every nine point four seconds. In 123 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 6: January of twenty twenty five, in New York, Charlie Pellett 124 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 6: Bloomberg Radio, it. 125 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: Is time now for look at some of the other 126 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: stories making news in New York and around the world. 127 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: And for that we're joined by Bloomberg's Michael Barr Michael, good. 128 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 8: Morning, Good morning, Karen Sight. Securities plan for New Year's celebrations, 129 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 8: but no specific threats. According to law enforcement, Times Square 130 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 8: in New York City will be packed with partygoers to 131 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 8: ring in twenty twenty five. Mayor Eric Adams vows that 132 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 8: they're increased NYPD presence, including K nine teams, drones, boats, 133 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 8: and helicopters will provide a safe environment for visitors and 134 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 8: New Yorkers alike. Make sure each one of those who 135 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 8: come here to visit and enjoyed the ball drop will 136 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 8: be safe. In Atlanta, large crowds are expected for the 137 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 8: Peach Drop returning this year after a hiatus in Las Vegas. 138 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 8: Two hundred and fifty thousand expected on the strip for 139 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 8: the countdown to twenty twenty five. In Philadelphia, Deputy Police 140 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 8: Commissioner Mike Cram says the city is preparing for Tomorrow's 141 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 8: Mummers Parade. 142 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 9: We always take a very layered approach, right, and that's 143 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 9: everything from law enforcement to the use of other parts 144 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 9: of the city. As you go around, you'll see sanitation 145 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 9: trucks that doubles walking vehicles as well to restrict access 146 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 9: onto the parade routes, things that nature. 147 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 8: It's the oldest continuous Folk Day parade and a New 148 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 8: Year's tradition since nineteen oh one. New York City's controversial 149 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 8: pricing plan for drivers coming into parts of Manhattan is 150 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 8: set to take effect Sunday, but a federal judge said 151 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 8: hold on. They want more information about the effects of 152 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 8: congestion pricing on communities in New Jersey. Lisaid Daglian is 153 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 8: an advocate for congestion pricing in New York who says 154 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 8: the MTA plan can still move forward. 155 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: It would be different responses that will have to happen 156 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: over sometime. 157 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 10: It will have started. 158 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 8: But New Jersey lawmakers disagree. New Jersey Congressman Josh Gotdheimer. 159 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 11: And the way New Jersey's lawyers are responding is when 160 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 11: you remand back for answers and further study, New York 161 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 11: can't go ahead. 162 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 8: The judge set a deadline of January seventeenth for New 163 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 8: York to respond. President elect Donald Trump lost a bid 164 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 8: to overturn a five million dollar judgment against him for 165 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,599 Speaker 8: sexual abuse and defamation. A federal appeals scored uphill the 166 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 8: damages awarded to e Gene Carrell. The columnists hailed the 167 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 8: decision in an online post, writing twenty twenty four ends 168 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 8: with a win. Carol accused Trump of raping her in 169 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 8: a department store dressing room about thirty years ago. Global 170 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 8: News twenty four hours a day and whenever you want 171 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 8: it with the Bloomberg News. Now, I'm Michael Barn. This 172 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 8: is Bloomberg. 173 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 3: Karen. 174 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: All right, Michael Barn, thank you time now for the 175 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sports Update, brought to you by tries Dade Audie. 176 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: We bring in Dan Schwartzman. 177 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 12: Dan, good morning, Good morning, Karen. The line's improving to 178 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 12: fourteen and two as a big road win in San 179 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 12: Francisco GoF here's a. 180 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 11: Little lateral to Williams saying he's down the sunline and 181 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 11: co on for a touchdown. Almond Ross Saint Brown made 182 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 11: the catch. He's done this before this year, Almen Ross 183 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 11: Saint Brown, and this time the lateral for the touchdown. 184 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 12: That's Chrissy vspn Lines beating the forty nine Ers forty 185 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 12: to thirty four in match of last year's NFC Championship 186 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 12: game won by the Niners as shared goff throws for 187 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 12: three hundred and three yards and three touchdowns. The win 188 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 12: by the Lions setting up a week eighteen Sunday night 189 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 12: showdown versus the fourteen to two Vikings for both the 190 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 12: NFC North title as well as the top seat in 191 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 12: the NFC and a first round by heading into the playoffs. 192 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 12: The loser will become the NFL's first fourteen win wild 193 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 12: card team Nicks winner eighth in a row. They knock 194 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 12: off the Wizards one twenty six to one oh six, 195 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 12: Karl Anthony Towns leading the next for thirty points and 196 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 12: thirteen rebounds, else Arad Nikola Jokich putting up a ridiculous 197 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 12: thirty six points with twenty two rebounds and eleven assists 198 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 12: and a Nuggets one thirty two to one to twenty 199 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 12: one win over the Jazz, while the Cavaliers improved our 200 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 12: league best twenty eight and four with a one to 201 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 12: thirteen to ninety five win over the Warriors. College football 202 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 12: playoffs resuming tonight in Glendale, Arizona, with the first to 203 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 12: four quarter final matchups as the third seed Boise State 204 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 12: battle six seed a Penn State at the Verbo Fiesta Bowl. 205 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 12: Kickoff is scheduled for seven thirty pm Eastern time. Light 206 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 12: schedule on the NHL Rangers, though lose their fifteenth game 207 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 12: in the last twenty they fall to the Florida Panthers 208 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 12: five to three. They remain in last place in the 209 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 12: Metropolitan Division. That's your Bloomberg Sports update. I'm Dan Schwartzman, 210 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 12: Karen and Amy. 211 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 8: Coast to Coast on Bloomberg Radio nationwide on SYRIUSXM. 212 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 6: And around the world on Bloomberg dot Com and the 213 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 6: Bloomberg Business app. This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 214 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 2: And the Treasury Department says Chinese hackers have remotely accessed 215 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 2: several Treasury Department workstations and unclassified documents. After it was 216 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 2: able to compromise a third party software service provider. We're 217 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 2: joined now by Bloomberg Radio and TV Markets correspondent Creedy 218 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: Gupta to sort of fill us in on exactly what's 219 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: going on here. Creedy, we're getting a little more information 220 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 2: now about the cyber incident. So Chinese hackers have accessed 221 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: Treasury Department workstations, there was a third party software provider 222 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: that was sort of their doorway to this. Tell us 223 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,119 Speaker 2: what's going on here. 224 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 10: Good morning, Amy. So Beyond Trust is that third party 225 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 10: software provider basically sells access software cybersecurity products to the 226 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 10: likes of the US Treasury and other federal government agencies 227 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 10: as well. It's a contract that's worth more than four 228 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 10: million dollars. That's according to data compiled by Bloomberg. But Amy, 229 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 10: I think what's scary here is that this is a 230 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 10: kind of notification that Beyond Trust gave to the US 231 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 10: Treasury Department that there was some sort of hacking tied 232 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 10: to China, as as you had just said, but that 233 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 10: they also Beyond Trust also does business with other departments 234 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 10: like the Department of Defense, Department of Veterans Affairs, the 235 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 10: Department of Justice, just to name a couple of other agencies. 236 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 10: So it's uncleared the extent to which this has been 237 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 10: affected or the amount of customers that were really involved. 238 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 10: But so far, all we know is that Beyond Trust 239 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 10: had notified the Treasury that a certain amount of kind 240 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 10: of data and contact information, et cetera from an undisclosed 241 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 10: number of Americans was accessed by this hacker that they 242 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 10: have now traced back to China. 243 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 2: Now, this is coming right after US officials dealing with 244 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 2: the fallout of another cyber espionage campaign access in those 245 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 2: private texts and phone conversations of an unknown number of Americans. 246 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 2: Are we going to see more of this? What's going 247 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 2: on here? 248 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 10: I mean, we don't know if we're going to see 249 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 10: more of this. I mean, there seems to be a 250 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 10: pattern developing, as you just laid out, But that's exactly 251 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 10: the pattern that the Chinese government is trying to get 252 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 10: ahead of, because we still don't know if this was 253 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 10: associated with the Chinese government. At the end of the day, 254 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 10: the embassy of the Chinese embassy over in Washington already 255 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 10: kind of being very outspoken about this, saying, quote, spare 256 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 10: attacks against China without any factual basis. The US needs 257 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 10: to stop using cybersecurity to smear and slander China and 258 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 10: stop spreading all kinds of disinformation about the so called 259 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 10: Chinese hacking throat. Those are the words of the Chinese 260 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 10: embassy in Washington, which really speaks to this trend. Amy, 261 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 10: as you said that this has been coming out of 262 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 10: out of at least been associated with China lately in 263 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 10: the campaign you were talking about, and now with this 264 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 10: leak as well. But again it's unclear who's actually behind it. 265 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 10: There's just clear that the US government is exposed in 266 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 10: a way that they may never thought they would be 267 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,479 Speaker 10: before and taking. 268 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 2: A broader look at this, as you said very rightly, 269 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 2: So we don't really know if this is specifically associated 270 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: with the Chinese government, but it's sure not going to 271 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: help relations between Washington and Beijing. 272 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 10: They absolutely aren't at a time when we know not 273 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 10: only Donald Trump, but even under the Biden administration have 274 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 10: been looking at ways at the American economy in the 275 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 10: way the American stock market, for example, in other parts 276 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 10: of the American infrastructure are intertwined but also under threat 277 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 10: with China. And remember this comes after not only a 278 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 10: trade war looming between the United States and China and 279 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 10: perhaps even more terrift than a new administration. But the 280 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 10: idea that we're talking about things like how much debt 281 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 10: China buys from the United States. We're talking about how 282 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 10: Chinese companies can or cannot be listed on the New 283 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 10: York Stock Exchange, on the NASAC, et cetera. Not to 284 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 10: mention some of the kind of spyware and cybersecurity threats 285 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 10: as we were just talking about, and other alliances that 286 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 10: they're making internationally. Remember the partnership between China and Russia, 287 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 10: between China and India, between China and the EU are 288 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 10: all under the magnifying glass right now in terms of 289 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 10: how that all affects the United States. And I think 290 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 10: Donald Trump is going to kind of put that under 291 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 10: an even hotter spotlight. 292 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you mentioned that other agencies that use this 293 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: third party vendor maybe at risk. It isn't clear yet, 294 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 2: but that this third party vendor also is associated with 295 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 2: other federal agencies. Fair enough, could this put a chilling 296 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 2: effect on using these third party type contractors for something like. 297 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 10: This, It absolutely could. And remember we are not only 298 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 10: seeing this in the government space. We saw this in 299 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 10: the corporate space as well. When the Microsoft outage with 300 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 10: several kind of data and cybersecurity providers with CrowdStrike led 301 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 10: to a global outage, a grounding of flights that the 302 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 10: one in Stock exchange was affected. So this is something 303 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 10: that's getting a little bit scarier. And Amy are sure 304 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 10: you'll remember on the onset of the war Ukraine, for example, 305 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 10: cybersecurity stocks did really, really well because of this anticipation 306 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 10: that that cybersecurity product would be needed. 307 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: You talk about AI. 308 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 10: This is just another element where cybersecurity has to be 309 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 10: kind of intertwined with that story. But in terms of 310 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 10: using the software, you also have to talk about what 311 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 10: actions the government is going to be using. 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