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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and House Democrats have added twelve safe

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Speaker 1: for publican seats to their red to Blue list. We

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Speaker 1: have such a great show for you today. The Lincoln

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Speaker 1: Project's own Rick Wilson joins us to talk about how

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Speaker 1: Trump still controls elected officials despite the fact that he

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Speaker 1: cannot control Republican primaries. Then we'll talk to Democratic Congressman

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Speaker 1: Daniel Biss about being an anti apac jew.

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Speaker 2: But first the.

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Speaker 3: News soval the Senate passed a stopgap to avert the

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Speaker 3: shutdown of the government that would have happened before the election.

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Speaker 3: But Trump, I think he soiled as diaper because the

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Speaker 3: Save Act didn't get passed.

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Speaker 1: The top line here is the Senate has gone back

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Speaker 1: on vacation because it's August, and why should they be

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Speaker 1: at work. They've gone, They're done, They're out. They will

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Speaker 1: not be back until September, and until then there will

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Speaker 1: be no Save Act, which means Donald Trump will not

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Speaker 1: get the Save Act passed. Here's what was never going

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Speaker 1: to happen. Donald Trump was going to pass the Save Act.

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Speaker 1: Here's why it was a math problem, right, you needed

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Speaker 1: sixty votes to pass the Save Act. He couldn't get

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Speaker 1: sixty votes, so he would have had to have killed

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Speaker 1: the filibuster for an act that was By the way,

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Speaker 1: if you're going to kill the filibuster, which eventually someone

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Speaker 1: will kill the filibuster, you're not going to kill it

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Speaker 1: for a piece of legislation that's poorly written that's ultimately

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Speaker 1: probably not going to get enacted. I mean, the whole

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Speaker 1: situation is just a complete shit show for Trump anyway.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, had they even passed the Save Act,

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Speaker 1: there's a question of whether or not it was even legal, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's basically federalizing elections. So it's taking state

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Speaker 1: elections and making the federal government charge of them, which

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Speaker 1: technically I mean, I know Republicans hate the Constitution, but

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Speaker 1: if they liked it, they would see that the technically

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Speaker 1: you can't do that. They're separated. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: they're separated for good reason, because they're safer when the

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Speaker 1: states run them and they're decentralized and they're less likely

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Speaker 1: to be interfered with. So here we are bipartisan vote

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Speaker 1: to push government funding past election day deadline. I love

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Speaker 1: that they can get a ninety to six vote, but

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Speaker 1: only when it's for punting. Another great part of this

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Speaker 1: number of people did not vote, including you'll remember Mitch McConnell,

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Speaker 1: though I do think at some point Mitch McConnell was

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Speaker 1: having his votes put in for him.

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Speaker 2: Right by Roger Wicker.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Certainly a sign that everything is going great, in case

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Speaker 1: you're wondering. Supposedly, though Mitch McConnell did check out of rehab.

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Speaker 1: Maybe who knows, because there are no pictures and no

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Speaker 1: real reporting, So we just have to take Mitch McConnell

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Speaker 1: at his word, which why wouldn't you right?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Of course?

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Speaker 5: What it on?

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Speaker 3: A zombie man? I mean, man, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell at his word. I'm sure he's completely healthy

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Speaker 1: and totally fine. What's happening here? They confirmed Todd Blanche,

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Speaker 1: they failed a voter id measure, and now they will.

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Speaker 2: Go and have a recess.

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Speaker 1: Well, Republicans will try to keep the House and Democrats

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Speaker 3: So let's talk about the Republicans trying to keep the House,

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Speaker 3: because we have learned that they're going to have a

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Speaker 3: little convention that's going to be a little film festival. Now,

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Speaker 3: I allow me to loog a prediction here. I think

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Speaker 3: we're going to see Ai trans tall Rico. I think

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Speaker 3: we're going to probably see some of the most islamicophobic

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Speaker 3: things about doctor Abduel said we've ever seen, and probably

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Speaker 3: a lot of other things. My imagination is not stupid

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Speaker 2: Here's what's happening.

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Speaker 1: Dop decided that we have a midterm convention, which I

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Speaker 1: actually don't think is a terrible idea. If you had

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Speaker 1: a policy to sell people, that could be very helpful,

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Speaker 1: but you don't. Right, what's the policy the Republican What

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Speaker 1: Do they want healthcare for all? Do they want do

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Speaker 2: They want Trump?

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Speaker 1: Right? I mean Trump? The party is the party of Trump?

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Speaker 1: And do they support what Trump likes? And so they

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Speaker 1: making jokes about Charlie Kirk that I don't know that

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Speaker 1: you can run on that stuff. I don't know that

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Speaker 1: and that will be the big question. So this first

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Speaker 1: ever midterm convention in September will feature a lot of

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Speaker 1: clips of leftists saying crazy stuff.

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Speaker 2: What will that look like? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You know, it might include some Hassan Piker because publicans

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Speaker 1: scary to them. I think it will include a lot

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Speaker 1: will have It looks like it will have speeches from

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Speaker 1: the very charismatic Jada Vance, known for his charisma Ohio charisma.

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Speaker 2: I learned the term as The thing about.

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Speaker 1: Jada Vance is like he makes when you realize that

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Speaker 1: Peter Tiel had to like spend millions of dollars more

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Speaker 3: But does I makeup look so good?

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Speaker 1: Right? And Treasury Secretary Scott Besant, known for telling Americans

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Speaker 1: this week that the K shaped ecotomy is no longer

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Speaker 1: k shaped. That guy excited to hear what. He's a

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Speaker 1: real populist. Always love to hear him talk about populism.

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Speaker 1: I think there'll be a lot of talking got Health

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Speaker 1: Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Junior. They're going to focus on

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Speaker 1: the Maha movement, you'll remember them, mom movement, supposedly Trump

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Speaker 2: On anti vacs.

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Speaker 1: So that is unpopular with polls, but popular with Maha.

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Speaker 1: And you know, remember the explosive diarrhea. This stuff is

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Speaker 1: still going. You know, I was talking to someone and

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Speaker 3: So Donald Trump's other obsession that is not decorating, has

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Speaker 3: consistently been enacting Stephen Miller's racist policies. And they're going

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Speaker 3: to keep fighting to try to get rid of birthrights,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so the birthright citizenship stuff. It's so bizarre because

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Speaker 1: So Trump is going to try some other way to

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Speaker 1: It's the fourteenth Amendment. Trump does a lot of crazy stuff,

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Speaker 1: but I think this is for the really racist part

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Speaker 1: there's sort of you know, his coalition is fracturing. There

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Speaker 1: think that that crew sees that MAGA is fracturing. And

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Speaker 1: worth just remembering that MEGA is fracturing over what they're

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Speaker 1: fracturing over these seven wars right the places where Donald

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Speaker 1: the results of that, which are higher gas prices, higher,

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Speaker 3: So this is pretty interesting. I would have bet that

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Speaker 1: So I just think that it is worth realizing that, like,

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Speaker 1: So it looks like it's a real pickup opportunity for Democrats.

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Speaker 1: He is not getting out of the race, and it's

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Speaker 1: that's erratic and unpleasant and disturbing, you are in bed

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Speaker 1: with them. Ever, Miller previously sued ex girlfriend Stephanie Grisham

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Speaker 1: all around. This just makes Ohio Republicans look terrible. And

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Speaker 1: I think, like when Max Miller tweeted these pictures of

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Speaker 2: Horrible experience all around.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Molly john Fast, how are you on this fine day.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about this.

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Speaker 2: The only people who are scared of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: The only people who actually, let's even broaden it, the

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Speaker 1: The golden Donald Trump endorsement in the Republican primary in Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: Andy Ohs was going to rewrite the Constitution for Trump.

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Speaker 4: That is correct. He wanted to rewrite the constitution. Uh,

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Speaker 4: he is a complete election denier. Trump's word is law

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Speaker 4: with Andy Ogles defends everything. All of the bullshit that

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Speaker 1: My favorite punchline to this story is Andy Ogles brought

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Speaker 4: Eighty seven days to go. If you think Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: forget where that money came from. It's crypto, yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: Wall Street, specifically private equity, part of the private equity

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Speaker 4: chunk of Wall Street. It's oil and gas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And it's an ideological cluster of the you know, uh

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Speaker 4: Aightolson money, you line money, all the money, what's that?

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Speaker 2: And AI?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? And right and then right and finally from the

445
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Speaker 4: tech bro sector. A ginormous wave of money from both

446
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Speaker 4: the AI part of it and the data center construction

447
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Speaker 4: part of it. All of that has flooded the zone

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Speaker 4: for Trump. That's why he has It's not actually eight

449
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Speaker 4: hundred million dolls, it's a little less than that, but

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Speaker 4: he's got an awful lot of money sitting on a pile.

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Speaker 4: And Trump is like Smog the dragon in the in

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Speaker 4: Tolkien's Hobbit, right, He's going to lay on top of

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Speaker 4: that pile. He doesn't want anybody to get a single

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Speaker 4: coin out of that. He's going to keep that frickin money.

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Speaker 4: You know, we'll show we tried to help, but we're

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Speaker 4: doing what it told them, and so so I had

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Speaker 4: to keep them for NAT for something for my plane.

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Speaker 1: But what I do think is relevant here is that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump also said another thing during that interview which

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Speaker 1: I think is really important. He said, they're mad at Republicans,

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Speaker 1: but not me.

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Speaker 4: Right, they're mad at him too. He just doesn't think

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Speaker 4: so he's wrong.

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Speaker 1: They're madder at him than they are at Republicans. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's the one who did the teriffs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they are mad at him. Is he is mistook.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about something that I want to throw

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Speaker 1: the needle here, and I think.

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Speaker 2: That you may disagree with me, so let's go.

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Speaker 1: I think that this anti incumbent hostility, that this fury

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Speaker 1: towards elected is not as ideological as a lot of

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Speaker 1: people in news world are saying.

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Speaker 4: Like, oh, Molly, I agree with you one hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: This is it's not far woey normal.

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Speaker 2: It's or versus normal.

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Speaker 4: Right. It is reflective of an economy that is an

477
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Speaker 4: equal opportunity destructive force for voters no matter what your

478
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Speaker 4: ideology is and a lot of these Republican voters who

479
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Speaker 4: are saying they're unhappy with their member. Part of that,

480
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Speaker 4: in my view, is that they come from a universe

481
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Speaker 4: where for years they've been conditioned to never ever criticize Trump,

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Speaker 4: never be angry at Trump, always say Trump is right

483
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Speaker 4: about everything, and it must be other people. It's the

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Speaker 4: old Russian theory like, oh, the czar is good, but

485
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Speaker 4: his boy ares his advisors are terrible. No, No, it's him.

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Speaker 4: So Democrats hate him. Republicans have peeled off from him

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Speaker 4: in some meaningful numbers, and Republicans hate the Republicans in

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Speaker 4: a way that almost starts to rival the way Democrats

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Speaker 4: hate other Democrats.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's where you get to Michigan. So

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Speaker 1: let's have two secs on Michigan. I think the candidate again,

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Speaker 1: I think candidate quality plays a.

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Speaker 2: Bigger role in that race than you think. Then people are.

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Speaker 4: Talking hugely, So why Mike Rogers. Mike Rogers first off,

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Speaker 4: so everyone's clear, he does not live in Michigan. He

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Speaker 4: lives in Naples, Florida, in a multimillion dollar house in Naples, Florida.

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Speaker 2: But they he recorded his.

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Speaker 4: Last campaign video from a house in Naples, Florida.

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Speaker 2: They keep letting him watching paint Drop. He's run for

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Speaker 2: like Michigan.

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Speaker 4: He runs. Tommy Tarberville is in Florida too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, go on.

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Speaker 4: But Mike Rodgers is dull as dirt and he even

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Speaker 4: he doesn't have that like weird ideological heat that some

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Speaker 4: of the more talented MAGA candidates can bring. Okay, it's

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Speaker 4: going to be real hard for Mike Rodgers to sustain

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Speaker 4: calling Al Sayet a commie Muslim terrorist over and over again,

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Speaker 4: whether you thought say Ed was a was too liberal

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Speaker 4: or to DSA or whatever. He has the talent, he

510
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Speaker 4: has the gift. He's a good communicator, he's a fast thinker,

511
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Speaker 4: he's good on his feet, he's funny, he's self deprecating,

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Speaker 4: he connects with people. None of that is present in

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Speaker 4: Mike Rogers. And I got to tell you, I think

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Speaker 4: the the incumbency factor. You know, oh we know Mike Rogers.

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Speaker 4: He's been around, he's been a member of this and

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Speaker 4: that I think that's much worth much less than it

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Speaker 4: would have been five years ago, and certainly ten years.

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Speaker 1: And I'm certainly doing an anti incumbent wave.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly where I said him. I thank you, because

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Speaker 4: that's exactly what I was about to saying. Is And

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Speaker 4: in a year where people are sick of the of

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Speaker 4: the old guard and the establishment in both parties, you

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Speaker 4: got a guy who can communicate, who can walk, talk,

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Speaker 4: and and spit fire. That's a superpower in this environment.

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Speaker 1: I also think Mike Rogers keeps running for things and losing,

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Speaker 1: and so.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he is a multi time, three time loser. Now

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Speaker 4: that's the question. You go back to that question about

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Speaker 4: Trumps superpack, which has got the biggest load of all

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Speaker 4: Republican money right now, Are they going to go to

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Speaker 4: Michigan and spend fifty million dollars on a so so candidate.

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Speaker 4: It's the reason they haven't helped Paxton in Texas so far,

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Speaker 4: because Paxton turns out to be a shit candidate, unbelieved,

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Speaker 4: but he's got a real opponent. Yeah, I mean they

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Speaker 4: they haven't spent a dollar on Ken Paxton. They won't

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Speaker 4: spend the money there Ken that and I think you're

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Speaker 4: going to find that with Rogers too. They're going to say, Eh,

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Speaker 4: this guy's not great, he's dull, he doesn't have any

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Speaker 4: any real fire, he's not connecting with people. If they

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Speaker 4: were going to be spending that eight hundred million dollars,

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Speaker 4: they would be doing it already. Early money means more

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Speaker 4: than late money in our political world.

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Speaker 1: So I also think like Paston has fought so hard

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Speaker 1: for this nomination, and now that he's gone it, he

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Speaker 1: just wants to go to Europe with his girlfriend.

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Speaker 4: Hey, you know what, or to manage his portfolio of

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Speaker 4: multimillion dollar homes that he somehow was able to afford

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Speaker 4: on a government salary. It's a mystery to me. I mean,

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Speaker 4: who among us doesn't have fifteen homes in places like

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Speaker 4: Aspen and Hawaii on a government salary.

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson, Molly Jong Fast, will you come back?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Consider it.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Biss is the Democratic nominee for Illinois's ninth district

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Speaker 1: and the former mayor of Evanston. Welcome, Welcome, Daniel Biss.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just going to set this up for a minute,

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Speaker 1: because you won your primary in Illinois.

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Speaker 2: Is what district is it?

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Speaker 5: Ninth district?

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Speaker 1: Ninth district?

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Speaker 5: The fact everyone cares about a lot district number people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to get that district number wrong.

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Speaker 1: Ninth district. Your primary was in March. So that's ten

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Speaker 1: thousand years ago, and you are now going to run

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Speaker 1: in a it's a D plus.

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Speaker 5: What it's like twenty five? Okay, considered a safe district

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Speaker 5: I take nothing for granted, but considered to be a.

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Speaker 1: Safe But the reason why I wanted to have you

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Speaker 1: on is not because you need to raise money or sorry,

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Speaker 1: or because you have this type Republican challenger who is

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Speaker 1: fort by scandal, but because you and I are both Jewish,

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Speaker 1: and you and I are both both struggle with how

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Speaker 1: to relate to Israel at this moment, and you have

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Speaker 1: really brilliantly talked about your relationship as both a liberal Jew,

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Speaker 1: as a liberal Jew, to Israel as it is at

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Speaker 1: this moment. And I would love you first to talk

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Speaker 1: about your familial history with Israel, because I think it's

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Speaker 1: really important and it speaks to a lot of our

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Speaker 1: familial histories with Israel, and then to talk about where

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Speaker 1: you are in your journey of sort of trying to

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Speaker 1: make sense of your relationship with the Jewish date.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you. My tendency is going to be to

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Speaker 5: talk for ten million years now, so you just come

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Speaker 5: me off and redirect when it's time. But as you said,

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Speaker 5: I'm Jewish. My grandparents on my mom's side survived the Holocaust.

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Speaker 5: My grandmother survived Auschwitz. They came back to the Transylvanian

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Speaker 5: town where they were both born. After liberation. My mom's

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Speaker 5: born in forty six and forty eight, the three of

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Speaker 5: them go to Israel, and by the end of the fifties,

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Speaker 5: my whole extended family on that side is in Israel.

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Speaker 5: My mom then comes to America in the sixties, studies,

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Speaker 5: falls in love, gets married, stays here. But basically my

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Speaker 5: whole extended family on my mother's side is there. My

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Speaker 5: mother's still a dual citizen. I grew up going there

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Speaker 5: every summer. My first cousin, while pregnant, went back into

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Speaker 5: reserve duty after October seventh. It gets the connection there

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Speaker 5: is very is, very deep. But you know, the conduct

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Speaker 5: of this Israeli government, not just in the last couple

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Speaker 5: of years Vasa though that's particularly disgusting, but for decades

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Speaker 5: it's been completely offensive to any progressive person values. It's

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Speaker 5: been anguishing to watch, it's horrifying. And you know, for

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Speaker 5: a very long time in American politics, there was like

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Speaker 5: a party line, a super narrow party line that was basically,

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Speaker 5: you know, you can sort of criticize them, you know

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Speaker 5: a name, let's say, but you can't actually support any

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Speaker 5: policies that will do anything about it. Right, Like the

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Speaker 5: US policy was like, hey, we might be mad at you, Nata, Yahoo,

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Speaker 5: but we're not going to actually change our military funding

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Speaker 5: or other aspects of our foreign policy in response to

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Speaker 5: our our anger. And I just I launched a campaign

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Speaker 5: for Congress last May, so I guess a year and

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Speaker 5: a quarter ago now, and I just couldn't do it.

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Speaker 5: I was not gonna say I'm front restricted military aid

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Speaker 5: to continue to drop in bombs on children in Gaza

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Speaker 5: to support a military effort that was using starvation as

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Speaker 5: a weapon of war, and that because I wasn't willing

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Speaker 5: to do that, because I took a position against transferring

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Speaker 5: up pensive weapons for recognizing the Palestinian state, which nowadays

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Speaker 5: recording this in August of twenty twenty six, that sounds

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Speaker 5: incredibly timid, But in August of twenty twenty five, that

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Speaker 5: was like some kind of piratical position that basically focused

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Speaker 5: the campaign on its issue. And APAC got in the

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Speaker 5: race and spent millions and millions and so forth, and

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Speaker 5: it became the focal point.

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Speaker 1: You went to a pac and you said, look, tell

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Speaker 1: us sort of what your back and forth with Apak was,

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Speaker 1: because they got very involved in this race.

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Speaker 5: Explained, Yeah, so the first thing to understand is this

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Speaker 5: was like a juicy target for them, because this is

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Speaker 5: there's a twenty eight year incumbent who they didn't love, right,

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Speaker 5: who had been pretty critical. Her name is jan chakaws Keep.

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Speaker 5: She's a progressive. She had been critical of Israel and

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Speaker 5: supportive of changing US as a relationship, and so they

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Speaker 5: didn't love her.

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Speaker 2: And this is seed that Chicago, basically the North.

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Speaker 5: Side of Chicago and a bunch of suburbs. It was

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Speaker 5: like half and half Chicago and suburb and it's a

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Speaker 5: it's a heavily Jewish district, and really the Jewish community

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Speaker 5: itself was super diverse. There's Orthodox Jews, there's you know,

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Speaker 5: reform Jews, reconstructions, progressive all over the map. And I

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Speaker 5: think they felt like this was like basically a pick

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Speaker 5: up opportunity the same way that Democrats might want to

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Speaker 5: be a Republican. They wanted to beat someone who was

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Speaker 5: willing to, you know, to stand up to Nao. You know,

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Speaker 5: the conventional wisdom back then was basically like, listen, if

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Speaker 5: they come for you, it's going to be millions of dollars,

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Speaker 5: They're going to crush you.

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Speaker 4: It's over.

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Speaker 5: And so my first line of approach was listen, guys,

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Speaker 5: just stay out. Here's you know, we're talking about on everything.

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Speaker 5: But we can have open conversations. This is not a

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Speaker 5: good idea, it's not good for the world, not good

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Speaker 5: for the Jews, you know, for you guys to be

655
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Speaker 5: in this. And we had back and forth in a

656
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Speaker 5: series of conversations and fundamentally became clear that the red

657
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Speaker 5: line for them was unrestricted military aid. That if I

658
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 5: was willing to say no strings attached military aid, they

659
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 5: would back off. And the simple thing is I couldn't.

660
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Speaker 5: I just was not going to be that guy.

661
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Speaker 1: And I want to point out here what I think

662
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: is so important, which is you come from a family

663
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Speaker 1: of Holocaust survivors who were given the purpose of Israel, right, Like,

664
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Speaker 1: the purpose of Israel was to be a safe place

665
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Speaker 1: after a genocide, and your family used it for that.

666
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Speaker 1: And like, if there ever were a person who understands

667
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Speaker 1: the importance of a Jewish state who came to Israel

668
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Speaker 1: after the Holocaust, who had a mother, you know, like

669
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Speaker 1: there are a few examples better of like you know,

670
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Speaker 1: someone who understands the point the purpose of Israel than you.

671
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Speaker 1: So I just want to point that out before. Is

672
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Speaker 1: that fair?

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Speaker 5: Can I just? I think I obviously agree and like

674
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 5: I feel it very much in my bones. And I

675
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 5: think that's exactly why they saw me as dangerous, right,

676
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 5: because their move is if you criticize the Israeli government,

677
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 5: if you try to do something about the Israeli government's conduct,

678
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 5: they want to caricterature you, and they want to make you,

679
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 5: you know, opposed to the entire concept of Israel, and

680
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 5: if at all possible, they'll call your antimony right. And

681
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 5: they just couldn't do that with me. You know, they

682
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 5: can disagree with me on policy, but it's very very

683
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 5: obvious that the positions I'm taking come from a position

684
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Speaker 5: of understanding the importance and value of the Jewish democratic

685
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Speaker 5: state and wanting it to not only succeed and thrive

686
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Speaker 5: and be secure, but do it NOI that's consistent with

687
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Speaker 5: Jewish values, Yeah, right, Like I don't view the project

688
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 5: of oh, we have to have a Jewish democratic state,

689
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Speaker 5: that's the safe havor for the Jewish people, and oh,

690
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 5: it's got to conduct itself with humanity and dignity, and

691
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Speaker 5: there needs to be equal self determination and justice for

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Speaker 5: the Palestinian people. As conflicting projects, they're the same project,

693
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Speaker 5: and they're the project that I think reflects the Jewish

694
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Speaker 5: values that I actually find most compelling and beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I grew up as a Unitarian, but I raised my

697
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Speaker 1: kids as reform Jews, and like, there is no part

698
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Speaker 1: of reform Judaism that has like a cutout for genocide,

699
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Speaker 1: you know, or it has no cutout for bombing children,

700
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Speaker 1: Like that's not how it goes.

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Speaker 5: Or oppression, right, is this this oppression, the removal of rites,

702
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Speaker 5: the ethnical whatever you whatever aspect of it most personally

703
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Speaker 5: offends you. It's all just completely counter the values that

704
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Speaker 5: I was taught as a Jewish kid in Syenegogue.

705
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you really are someone who has the best interest

706
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Speaker 1: of the State of Israel at heart, right, because you

707
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: understand it's important and you have family there and you

708
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: really get why it needs to exist. So you say

709
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: this to them and they basically say why.

710
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Speaker 5: Basically they say, you haven't given us the assurances that

711
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 5: we need to hear. And you know, I mean, these

712
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 5: conversations are all a little bit kabooky ask and you

713
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 5: know it's but basically they are. They make clear in

714
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Speaker 5: a variety of ways that if you can't tell us

715
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Speaker 5: no strengths attached military aid, we will destroy you. And

716
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Speaker 5: at that point I published it's almost exactly a year ago,

717
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Speaker 5: was August of last year. I published a little thing

718
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Speaker 5: on my sub sect that basically explained some of my positions,

719
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Speaker 5: including ending transfer of offensive weapons and recognizing the Palestinian state,

720
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Speaker 5: which again it sounds so tame nowadays, but that was

721
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Speaker 5: enough to that was like the sort of we're cutting

722
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Speaker 5: the cord. We're not going to try to figure out

723
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Speaker 5: if there's a way to keep them out. We're just

724
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Speaker 5: gonna I'm just gonna be as direct as possible with

725
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Speaker 5: the public so that nobody could possibly accuse me of

726
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 5: saying different things to different constituencies. And I'd rather not

727
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Speaker 5: go to Congress as me than yes, go to Congress

728
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Speaker 5: as somebody else. And the thought was at the time,

729
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Speaker 5: this means that they're going to spend millions and millions

730
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Speaker 5: and millions, which they did, and that probably kind of

731
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Speaker 5: ends it, which fortunately didn't.

732
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Speaker 1: So tell us about your race because the ultimately it

733
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Speaker 1: really backfired in a sort of spectacular way.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was wild. I mean, first of all, our

735
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Speaker 5: race was a whole thing fifteen candidates, so we had

736
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Speaker 5: one of everybody, but the candidate who they supported wound

737
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Speaker 5: up coming in a relatively distant third. And what we

738
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Speaker 5: did was we just made a pack the issue. Right, So,

739
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Speaker 5: the way I thought about this was life, Listen, they're

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Speaker 5: going to be spending millions of dollars. There's going to

741
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Speaker 5: be a trillion TV ads running about this candidate's great

742
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Speaker 5: and Daniel sucks, and there were, And so people who

743
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 5: are just kind of like channel surfing and getting their

744
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 5: information in that way are just not going to be

745
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Speaker 5: for me. So we have to focus the conversation and

746
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Speaker 5: explain what's really going on. And so we we made

747
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Speaker 5: a a pack the issue. We ran TV it's about it,

748
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Speaker 5: We sent mailers about it. I talked about it constantly,

749
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Speaker 5: We sent I think in February we sent over twenty

750
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Speaker 5: press releases about a pack, like almost as many days

751
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Speaker 5: as there are. The goal is to say, listen, right now,

752
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 5: you're probably seeing a blitz of advertising coming at you

753
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 5: about how great this one person is and how much

754
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Speaker 5: I stink, Well, you have to understand if it's coming

755
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 5: because APAC and Trump donors are paying for it, that

756
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 5: they're doing that because they want somebody in Congress who's

757
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Speaker 5: going to support no strings attached military aid to Israel.

758
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Speaker 5: And by the way, they're so embarrassed about all this

759
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 5: that they're aligning to you about it. Yeah, they're trying

760
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 5: to hide it. They created these shell organizations with these

761
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Speaker 5: nine names to try to basically lie to the public

762
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Speaker 5: about who was paying for the messages they were getting.

763
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Speaker 5: And you know, we were successful enough in elevating that story,

764
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Speaker 5: so eventually, I think the money started to backfire because

765
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Speaker 5: every ad is reminding people who was from Right.

766
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Speaker 1: After the Trump election, you had this special, this judicial

767
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Speaker 1: election in Wisconsin where Elon musk came in, wore a

768
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Speaker 1: cheese hat, spent million and I think you spend one

769
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Speaker 1: hundred million. It's some crazy number.

770
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Speaker 5: I think you say the thing about Elon Musklin the

771
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Speaker 5: chiefs that long more time. I just really like listening

772
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Speaker 5: to that.

773
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Speaker 1: It was like, but it was a great example of

774
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Speaker 1: how if voters know that they're being manipulated, that their

775
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,959
Speaker 1: money is trying to make something that isn't real.

776
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, there's here's also the way that I

777
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 5: think about this, you know, I mean, and often people

778
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 5: will ask, like, why is somebody why are the presidential

779
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 5: candidates running all these TV ads? What voter needs to

780
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 5: see that to choose between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris.

781
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 5: And most people don't need that right for a presidential race.

782
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 5: They just they know they've made up their mind. It's

783
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 5: obvious they've got way more information than they need. But

784
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Speaker 5: if you put yourself on the shoes, I mean, where

785
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 5: I live in Illinois, we vote for like a billion

786
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 5: different judges. We vote for the water commissioner and the

787
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Speaker 5: community college board. And I'll be honest, I'm a professional politician,

788
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 5: but sometimes I go vote and I'm like, oh shit, Like,

789
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 5: who am I supposed to vote for this judicial vacancy?

790
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 5: I can't remember. I've met them both. They seem nice.

791
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Speaker 5: I don't know. And so almost every voter, including the

792
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Speaker 5: most knowledgeable ones, will get to a point on the

793
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Speaker 5: ballot where they're just like, I don't really exactly know

794
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 5: the difference. And in that situation where you become a

795
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 5: low information voter, as all of us are, sometimes this

796
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 5: ad or that mailer can make the determination and the

797
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 5: magic trick that you can do that Elon Musk and

798
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Speaker 5: his cheese hat did, and that frankly we were able

799
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 5: to do by making this race about Apex is to

800
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Speaker 5: take a race that might be sort of low information,

801
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Speaker 5: a race where the candidates might all sort of feel

802
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 5: roughly the same to a lot of voters, and like

803
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Speaker 5: snap it into a position where wait a second, this

804
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Speaker 5: connects to something I care about, This matters, and all

805
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Speaker 5: of a sudden, I'm an immovable voter and you could

806
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 5: spend fifty trillion dollars and it still wouldn't change my

807
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 5: opinion because I know who I'm voting for, just like

808
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Speaker 5: Mollie john Fast is not going to vote for Donald

809
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Speaker 5: Trump no matter how many ads she sees.

810
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Speaker 1: No. It's I think that's a really good point. But

811
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Speaker 1: it does come back to I just want to talk

812
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Speaker 1: about because one of the things that we're about to

813
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Speaker 1: go into an election cite go where Elon Musk is

814
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Speaker 1: is going to donate at least one hundred million dollars

815
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Speaker 1: for people like Susan Collins and Ken Paxton and Dan Sullivan,

816
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Speaker 1: and you know, there are all these really mediocre Republicans

817
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Speaker 1: and candidates who are about to get an infusion of cash.

818
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Speaker 1: I want you to say a little more about sort

819
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Speaker 1: of how you think you guys did it in that way.

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Speaker 5: I think the fundamental thing we did was we told

821
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Speaker 5: a story that people cared about, right the story. And

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying that our story would work in every electorate,

823
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Speaker 5: every district, but in our district, the idea of Apack

824
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 5: and Donald Trump. Donors are trying to buy this to

825
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 5: make sure that who represents you in Congress is going

826
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Speaker 5: to send no strings attached money to bbings out but

827
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Speaker 5: bomb as many kids as he wants to bomb. And

828
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Speaker 5: by the way they're lying to about it, they're trying

829
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Speaker 5: to trick you. That got people. And I think the

830
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Speaker 5: fundamental question, particularly in modern politics where we're in this

831
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Speaker 5: crazy attentional environment, is yes, the money matters, Yes, the

832
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Speaker 5: repetition matters. I don't pretend for a second that all

833
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 5: that stuff is irrelevant, But you've got to use the

834
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Speaker 5: money to tell a story that really gets in people's

835
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Speaker 5: heads and sticks with them because it connects to something

836
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Speaker 5: they vicessarily feel and care about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's really true, and I also think

838
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Speaker 1: it's funny because democratic voters have shifted so much on Israel.

839
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Speaker 1: And again, it's not Israel, right, It's this state of

840
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Speaker 1: giving unconditional money.

841
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Speaker 5: For a war.

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Speaker 1: It's also just this kind of you know, if you're

843
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,479
Speaker 1: going to run on America first and then you're going

844
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Speaker 1: to get involved in foreign wars, you know, with the

845
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Speaker 1: president who was trying to stay out of jail. I'm

846
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Speaker 1: talking about nan Yavu Nikhi and not Trump.

847
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Speaker 5: Sometimes it's hard to know the difference, honic, right.

848
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's really what it is, is we're signing

849
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Speaker 1: a blind check for someone who does not represent our

850
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Speaker 1: values in any which way, for sure.

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Speaker 5: And I also think, you know, it's interesting some of

852
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 5: the more right wing defenders of Israel are always like,

853
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 5: is there so much attention? Why are we so worked up?

854
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 5: Why are people spending so much time talking about just

855
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 5: this one country? And there is some legitimacy to that

856
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 5: point in some context, but also our relationship with them,

857
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 5: the American relationship with Israel's unlike any other relationship. Right.

858
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Speaker 5: They're a wealthy country with the developed economy where we're

859
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Speaker 5: sending billions of dollars a year of direct financial military aid.

860
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Speaker 5: That's not normal, right, And so it freaks people out.

861
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Speaker 5: The other thing I would say about this is because

862
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Speaker 5: the conversation was so neuro so kind of cookie cutter.

863
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Speaker 5: Every American politicians says the exact same thing on this

864
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 5: for years and years and years, right, And now that

865
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Speaker 5: that's been kind of blown up, we're kind of in

866
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Speaker 5: this all bets are off situation, and I think that's

867
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 5: it's much more politically interesting. People are trying to figure out,

868
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Speaker 5: Wait a second, what is the right position on Israel?

869
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Speaker 5: Is it is it a kind of a different vision

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Speaker 5: of Israel as a Jewish democratic, but human and justus state.

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Speaker 5: Is it one state solution where everybody in the region

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Speaker 5: is part of a single lowercase D democratic place and

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Speaker 5: they all have rights confermed in a different manner. These

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Speaker 5: are these are live questions that the American political system

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Speaker 5: is wrestling with, and when that happens, it becomes interesting

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Speaker 5: for the kind of people who care about the issue.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because it's like we are in this insane

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Speaker 1: moment in American politics. And as a liberal Jew, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, the most fraught part for me has been

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Speaker 1: that my kids and again I mean I try to

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Speaker 1: advert to talk about them, but like they have felt

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Speaker 1: very uncomfortable in reformed Judaism because there is this very

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Speaker 1: right wing political issue that has been put in to

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Speaker 1: religion in a way that has like it's harmed both Jews, Judaism,

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Speaker 1: and the state of Israel.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I've seen some more progressive and reform

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Speaker 5: synagogues here in my community struggle with this in really

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Speaker 5: beautiful ways and build build solidarity and bridges around basic

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Speaker 5: principles and Jewish values and then not jump to and

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Speaker 5: here's our exact policy prescription. But it's tough, and you know,

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Speaker 5: I think there's this giant and I mean, we can

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Speaker 5: get I don't know how much of your audience is

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Speaker 5: super interested in the internal, you know, politics of the

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Speaker 5: Jewish community. But look the so called organized Jewish community,

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Speaker 5: the acronym alphabet soup of organizations that largely purport to

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Speaker 5: speak for the Jewish people. They speak for a slice,

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Speaker 5: and that is a more right wing slice than where

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Speaker 5: I sit, where most of my Jewish friends sit, where

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Speaker 5: most young Jews sit. And if we can't have a

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Speaker 5: world where the policy is that your kids, hey for

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Speaker 5: justin humanitarian reasons, are welcomed in the Jewish community, then like,

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Speaker 5: what are we doing? What are we doing?

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Speaker 1: Daniel, Thank you so much for joining us, Thanks.

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Speaker 5: So much for having me. I love the conversation.

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Speaker 2: No moment, Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 3: So when we thought about pollution, you know, we were

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Speaker 3: thinking like, oh, we'll get rid of Cole and you know,

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Speaker 3: maybe things will start to trend the right way. And

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Speaker 3: then we met data centers and then I read this headline,

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Speaker 3: Amazon is creating the biggest pollution source in the entire country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so here it is.

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Speaker 1: Amazon is quietly trying to not just mister wonderful, that

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Speaker 1: should be the headline. You know, mister wonderful is trying

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Speaker 1: to build a huge Canadian Dubai. You know, the Canadian

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Speaker 1: who lives in Dubai, mister wonderful, and I think live

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Speaker 1: should be in quote. That guy is trying to build

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Speaker 1: a data center in Utah and accusing anyone who's trying

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Speaker 1: to stop him of being a Chinese. Well, Amazon is

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Speaker 1: quietly trying to build a site in Texas where plans

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Speaker 1: to build a data center campus. Okay, so this is Texas.

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Speaker 1: It's going to have a gas powered plant that will

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Speaker 1: be completely separate from Texas is already failing power grid

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Speaker 1: though Texas is power grid, a lot of it is

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Speaker 1: on solar, so some of it doesn't fail. The site,

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Speaker 1: known as GW Ranch, there's nothing ranchy about it, will

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Speaker 1: be allowed to produce power to admit thirty three million

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Speaker 1: tons of carbon dioxide, which would make it the biggest

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Speaker 1: polluting site in the US, emitting more than the country's

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Speaker 1: biggest coal power plant. This will be a sharp contrast

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Speaker 1: to Amazon's commitment to reach net zero emissions.

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Speaker 2: By twenty forty.

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Speaker 1: It feels like they're not going along with their part

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Speaker 1: on the Climate Pledge. Yes, who could have seen that

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Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos would to be such a disappointment Probably anyone

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Speaker 1: who was paying attention.

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Speaker 2: That's it for.

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