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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Calida Health. All right,

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Speaker 1: here we are One Bill's Live Chris Brown with you

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker in a moment here on this Wednesday, there's

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Speaker 1: another day on the practice field, long practice session today,

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Speaker 1: and it was a hot day out there as well.

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Speaker 1: So you could see the players coming off the practice

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Speaker 1: field today a little worn out as they were going

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Speaker 1: hard for a good two hours solid with very few

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Speaker 1: breaks in between. I will say that the one thing

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Speaker 1: that might have been most notable about today's practice was

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Speaker 1: coach McDermott was getting in the year hole of certain

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Speaker 1: sides of the ball.

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Speaker 2: The offense in particular today, not happy.

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Speaker 1: That a receiver didn't line up properly, pulled him out

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Speaker 1: of the lineup, put another receiver in. Was not happy

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Speaker 1: about that because you're back from training camp now this point.

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Speaker 2: In time, you know where to line up. You're not

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Speaker 2: giving yourself a great chance to make the roster. That's

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Speaker 2: number one.

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Speaker 1: And then later he was hot about the offense not

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Speaker 1: breaking the huddle properly, and you say, well, what's the

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Speaker 1: big deal about breaking a huddle. There is a concerted

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Speaker 1: effort by offensive coaches to not break the huddle. Until

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Speaker 1: the defense is lined up to give the quarterback upon

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Speaker 1: the break of the huddle the longest look at the

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Speaker 1: defense pre snap as possi.

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Speaker 2: They did not do that.

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Speaker 1: He stopped the team session for a second and started

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Speaker 1: yelling at the offensive players about breaking the huddle properly.

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Speaker 2: So we know the coach. Mcdermot's a guy that sweats

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Speaker 2: the details.

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Speaker 1: He was not happy with how some of the details

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Speaker 1: were being handled today and made sure to let his

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Speaker 1: players know it. I wasn't here yesterday. I was still

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Speaker 1: out of state, but talking to some of the other

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Speaker 1: people watching practice yesterday, he wasn't thrilled with the practice

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Speaker 1: session then either, with some elements getting in people's ear holes.

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Speaker 3: They've had some it's been one of those things where

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Speaker 3: now they're getting down to the nitty gritty details of stuff,

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Speaker 3: they're starting to compete a little harder yesterday, And yeah,

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Speaker 3: you were out of here, but there was a big

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Speaker 3: fight yesterday. That's why Dotson wasn't taking you know. Dotson

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Speaker 3: was kind of in the doghouse through the night, I guess.

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Speaker 3: And today it's the detail of breaking the huddle too quick.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's something during training campus like, that's the

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Speaker 3: last thing on your mind, like page two of the playbook.

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Speaker 3: But now they taking it. They're taking it up notch

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Speaker 3: after notch after notch. Now they're they got to They

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Speaker 3: got a game clock going all the time, They got

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Speaker 3: situational football going, and you got to be aware of it.

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Speaker 3: And McDermott is riding them a little bit pretty hard

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Speaker 3: right now. I kind of smile because I I remember

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Speaker 3: being the coach is whipping you know, whipping post, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean what happens is if if Matt Barkley or

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Speaker 3: or Kyle Allen has taking reps and they do something

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Speaker 3: like that, a coach a technique that I've seen used

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Speaker 3: is a coach will coach the backup like a dog.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he'll like dot was it was the back

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Speaker 3: of it, and go on and on and on and

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Speaker 3: go into every detail of how he got that wrong,

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Speaker 3: knowing that the number one he's not coaching that guy.

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Speaker 3: He's coaching the guy the number one who's listening. You know,

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Speaker 3: he's coaching the guys who are actually gonna play. Really,

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Speaker 3: but the other guy's got to take the heat. That's

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Speaker 3: kind of the way it is. Sometimes. There was a

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Speaker 3: little bit of that. I think going on both yesterday

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Speaker 3: starting to coach up these details, and we've seen it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this team is hard to beat, and the

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Speaker 3: only way teams beat them. The only game they lost,

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Speaker 3: the games they lost last year were in a couple

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Speaker 3: of minutia details that got away from and they end

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Speaker 3: up losing games because of it, and McDermott's not letting

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Speaker 3: it happen. You know, we go back in time and

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Speaker 3: again to that the Minnesota game last year. You know,

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Speaker 3: and all you need is a quarterback sneak for no gain.

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Speaker 3: But it's on your half yard line, so you don't

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Speaker 3: like that, you lose a game, you know, down the line.

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Speaker 3: So I think mcdermot's he's had some moments the last

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Speaker 2: Think about it this way.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to find ways to get over this playoff

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Speaker 1: hump that they're all talking about and knowing the margins

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Speaker 1: in this league are about two percent from one from

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Speaker 1: the best team in the division to the worst team,

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Speaker 1: you know, or conference wise, even first to you know,

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Speaker 1: sixteenth in the conference. The margin is probably like two

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Speaker 1: to three percent in terms of capabilities and talent and

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Speaker 1: all of that. So you say, what do we have

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Speaker 2: You sweat all the details all the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta get every and so when it's crunch time,

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Speaker 3: you get them right. It's not just your head coach

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Speaker 3: using a time out at the right time. And it's

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Speaker 3: Bills in Miami and that heat game. So it's all

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Speaker 3: of that stuff, and we're seeing it now where this

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Speaker 3: into training camp, they're back in the building and they're

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Speaker 3: starting to iron out some things in private.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's you and I are out there, and

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Speaker 3: some media people are out there, but there's no fans

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Speaker 3: and there's no public access. They're they're ironing some stuff

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Speaker 3: out in private now that they want to get right.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's really telling about and I go

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Speaker 3: back to this Steph Diggs stuff in the off season.

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Speaker 3: This guy comes back, he says, what we're gonna you know,

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Speaker 3: what are we gonna do different? Why? Why are we gonna?

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Speaker 3: How are we gonna get over this hump? These are

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Speaker 3: some of the things they're doing to make sure that happens.

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Speaker 3: It's this details and the situational foot ball and having

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Speaker 3: like doing yard work in your own yard. The only

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Speaker 3: know you're over there going now. You didn't see it

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Speaker 3: yesterday when I had to do this and this and

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Speaker 3: it's housekeeping that that keeps you at a level where

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Speaker 3: you need to be for the neighborhood, which is, you know,

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Speaker 3: the elite teams in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Right, as far as today's practice goes, the injury list

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Speaker 1: was had some new players on it.

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Speaker 1: Gabe Davis was not practicing today due to general soreness,

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Speaker 1: as it was described. Baal Inspector did not practice today

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Speaker 1: due to a back ailment, the severity of which we

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Speaker 1: do not know. Eli Anku not practicing today. The defensive

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Speaker 1: tackle Terrelle Bernard still out with the hamstring, Cam Lewis

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Speaker 2: So that's good news on that front.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, the linebacker position suddenly getting thinner.

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Speaker 1: You know, you've got Specter with an injury. Now, Bernard

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Speaker 1: in the absence of Bernard and now Specter. So you

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Speaker 1: got to believe that those guys are hoping they can

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Speaker 1: get cleared before this week's game, but we're already at Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't bet on it.

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Speaker 3: Soft tissues is no no pun intended soft tissues of

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Speaker 3: pain because it's not serious. But you can't push it

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Speaker 3: to come back. You gotta wait and now, and it

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Speaker 3: always happens.

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Speaker 4: You go.

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Speaker 3: It's unbelievable. It's almost weird. It's almost supernatural. One guy

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Speaker 3: they're all the same spot. They've got no injuries except

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Speaker 3: the middle linebacker spot where they're having an intense competition.

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Speaker 3: So you can play and now nobody can play.

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Speaker 2: It's compromising the evaluation it happened.

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Speaker 3: It's so weird that it happens. It's weird. It happens

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Speaker 3: a lot like you got this this team coming in.

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Speaker 3: All of a sudden, they got this competent. All of

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Speaker 3: out with some little malady that we used to like

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Speaker 3: I remember at the Hall of Fame trainer for the

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Speaker 3: buff Bills for thirty five years was Eddie Abramowski, God

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Speaker 3: rest his soul. He used to say, we'll go five

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Speaker 3: years and never have a turf toe, and we'll get

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Speaker 2: Them in one year, back when turf toe is a.

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Speaker 3: Thing that's right back when it was turf instead of

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Speaker 3: you know, the stuff they have now you know you'd go.

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Speaker 3: He said, we go, We'll go three years and we'll

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Speaker 3: never have this injury, and all of a sudden, we'll

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Speaker 3: have four of them in one year. It really seems

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Speaker 3: supernatural when you when like there's some weird fickle like

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Speaker 3: the old laugh in thing fickle finger of fate that

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Speaker 3: would just say, okay, now this year it's your turn. Okay,

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Speaker 3: you guys are gonna have high ankle sprains. There you go,

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Speaker 3: good luck with that, like the Bills did last year. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, so today you're seeing a little bit of

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The uh, the Bills lost an offensive tackle to retirement,

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Speaker 1: Offensive tackle Brandon Shell, who in my estimation was making

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Speaker 1: the fifty three man roster in my estimation at worst,

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Speaker 1: is like the team's fourth tackle decides he wanted to retire,

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Speaker 1: which has kind of put the Bills in a bit

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Speaker 1: of a spot here. I mean, look, you don't have

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Speaker 1: it to bring every day anymore. Yeah, you probably should retire.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, the timing makes this troubling

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Speaker 1: because it's not like you can just go out on

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Speaker 1: the street add another offensive tackle that's capable of being

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Speaker 1: the fourth best on your roster. So now the Bills

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Speaker 1: are going to have to lean on more of their youth.

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Speaker 1: They brought him in as a veteran experienced player with

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Speaker 1: seventy two starts in this league, and now that duty

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Speaker 1: the team swing tackle last year. Now you're looking at

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Speaker 3: The Dolphins are down. Dolphins are down in Houston.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying I'm licking my chops or whatever, but

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Speaker 3: They're at a position where they had competition to start.

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Speaker 3: The Jets and Dolphins rhetoric hasn't stopped from day one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how that

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Speaker 3: just not gonna outsmart him, you know that kind of

435
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 3: he's good. He's he's one of those guests like the

436
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 3: old country song. And I was telling this somebody yesterday.

437
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,679
Speaker 3: He's not as good as he once was, but he

438
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 3: can be as good once as he ever was. He's

439
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 3: kind of got that much left in the tank, right,

440
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 3: so he can give you a spot duty and maybe

441
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 3: start a game for you and certainly get you out

442
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 3: of any game that you want him to go in

443
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 3: and finish. And then of course, uh, the last one

444
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 3: is Vandermark. Don't no, he's a big question mark for me.

445
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

446
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 3: He's been around though.

447
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 1: Yeah here all last year, Yeah, on the practice squad

448
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: and you know, only twenty five years old. You know,

449
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 1: I think there's there's a runway for him here to

450
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: really kind of develop and mature into something that's formidable

451
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: for the depth of this roster. And now the deck

452
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: is cleared all the more with Shell out of the way.

453
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: So we'll have to see what he can do with

454
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: that opportunity in the last two preseason games where he

455
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: figures to get a ton of playing time. We've got

456
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Speaker 1: to take a break here because when we come back,

457
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Speaker 1: we're going to be joined by one Robert Mays from

458
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: the Athletic taking in Bill's practice today as he is

459
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: in town. We'll catch up with him on some of

460
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: his team previews. Has some nice rankings for the Bill's

461
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 1: offensive defense. We'll discuss next here on One Bill's Live.

462
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:53,959
Speaker 2: All Right, welcome back to One Bill's Live.

463
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: Chris Brown steves to ask you with you please to

464
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: be joined on set in studio by a guy taking

465
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: in just about every train camp you can think of

466
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: from the Athletic and from The Athletic Football Show Podcast one.

467
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: Robert May has been on the show before, but never

468
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 2: in studio. This is a trait.

469
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 6: Great to have you. So excited to see you guys

470
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 6: in person.

471
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great.

472
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: So you're making the rounds and you know, trying to

473
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: check out as many teams as you can heading into

474
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three campaign. What would you what would

475
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: you say are the biggest surprises that you have come

476
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,959
Speaker 1: across about any team under the sun where you say, wow,

477
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: I didn't know this, or this is even better than

478
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: I thought it would be for this team, or this.

479
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 2: Doesn't look good for this team coming up here this season.

480
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 7: It's me it's more usage and the roles that certain

481
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 7: players are being thrust into. Okay, so those are the

482
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 7: things that always kind of jump out to me and

483
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 7: especially guys that are in new places. So today and

484
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 7: my Bill's practice and watching Dalton Kincaid work with the

485
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 7: first team offense, and clearly he's going to have a

486
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 7: huge role. It's like, all right, kind of chalk that up.

487
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 7: I was at Giants Lions joined practice a couple of

488
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,479
Speaker 7: weeks ago, and Jamior Gibbs never seen him in an

489
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 7: NFL situation for so you're watch him play against the

490
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 7: Giants defense and some of the ways the lines are

491
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 7: using him. Darren Waller's on the Giants now, so like, okay,

492
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 7: how is that receiver room gonna shake out? What sort

493
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,239
Speaker 7: of reps is a third corner getting? Is he going

494
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 7: to be the nickel guys? He going to be starting

495
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 7: on the outside? Why are they kind of divving up

496
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 7: practice like this? Just getting a sense for all that

497
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 7: kind of stuff. I mean, teams are in experiment mode

498
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 7: there and figure it out and find out road. So

499
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 7: just seeing what that process looks like across the league

500
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 7: is always fun, always interesting.

501
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: We were noticing we were talking in the break about

502
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 3: the offensive lines. We were talking about how it's going.

503
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 3: We had Brandon Shell retire unexpectedly here in Buffalo, and

504
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 3: the Jets are struggling in their offensive line at least

505
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 3: in this point in camp. So are of the Dolphins.

506
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 3: Is that a common problem around the league.

507
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 7: Yes, I think that every team wishes they had more guys,

508
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 7: and the Bills are honestly thinking a pretty good spot.

509
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 6: The fact that it's a swing tackle and not a

510
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 6: starter that you're searching for.

511
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 7: The Jets would kill to have the swing tackle be

512
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 7: their biggest offensive line problem right now. I was there

513
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 7: yesterday and Roberts Aala was pretty open about the fact

514
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 7: that they just hadn't settled on that five yet. They

515
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 7: wish they had by this point in camp, but Dwayne

516
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 7: Brown's not back, They've had some other injuries. They don't

517
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 7: know how much they can rely on Makai Beckton. And

518
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 7: the Dolphins are in a slightly different situation and that

519
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 7: they knew this was going to be the group. They

520
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 7: kind of committed to this group, this five heading into camp.

521
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 7: They signed Isaiah win in the offseason, and I think

522
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 7: there's a good chance he can play guard. But they

523
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 7: drafted lee Mekeaberger in the second round and he just

524
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 7: hasn't come along. And so they're Jackson Austin Jackson, the

525
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 7: same kind of deal. And I was curious why they

526
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 7: didn't add more outside pieces to the line and be

527
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 7: more aggressive in that area specifically. You know, Win was

528
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 7: on a pretty mid tiear contract. It was one year deal,

529
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 7: and their best lineman last year was playing on one leg.

530
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 7: And he's missing six games, at least six games a year.

531
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 7: He's into his thirties now, and I feel like they're

532
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 7: kind of betting on continuity there. They really haven't had

533
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 7: the same offensive system year over a year since that

534
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 7: group of linemen got there. They're shuffling between line coaches,

535
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 7: shuffling between coordinators. They have a new line coach again

536
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 7: this year, but at least the offensive unit is the same.

537
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 7: There's a little bit of continuity there, so there can

538
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 7: be some growth. With the Jets, they're hoping change works.

539
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 7: Keith Carter's there now. I mean just there's a million

540
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 7: different moving pieces.

541
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: And they're doing the joint practices with the Bucks this week.

542
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: And ESPN's Rich Semeni was just tweeted an hour ago saying,

543
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: on the last ten dropbacks, Aaron Rodgers has been sacked

544
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: six times. His only completions are on quick throws, and

545
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: it's just like geez yey. I mean, look, the Bucks

546
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: have some horses. Elijah can't see the first round pick

547
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: that they just drafted Jack Barrett's still there.

548
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 2: Okay, I get it, but six.

549
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: Out of ten, Like, I know, it's practice, you know,

550
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: and it's not real live bullets. And maybe you know

551
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: Aaron you know, squirms away from some people, but quick throws,

552
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: like then you're gonna have people squatting on routes.

553
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: I don't know.

554
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,239
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess we're all all of us that

555
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: are not rooting for the Jets are tired of hearing

556
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: about the Jets this offseason. So any little negative about

557
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: the Jets people are pouncing on, and I'll just I'll

558
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: put myself in that group. I have no problem with

559
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: that because I think I think they've I think they've

560
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: tried to patch holes here and there with their old line,

561
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: but I think they've focused on a lot of areas

562
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: and I understand why, but still I think they might

563
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: be missing the mark on that and they may pay

564
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: for it on offense.

565
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 4: Anyway.

566
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 7: They've tried to add pieces to that group, but just

567
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 7: the way the draft fell, they weren't in a position

568
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 7: to draft one of those tackles. Supposedly they wouldn't have

569
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 7: wanted one even if Roger Jones it fell to them,

570
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 7: But they in the second round they got Joe Tipman,

571
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 7: but Joe Tipman played centering usage and so now he's

572
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 7: split in first team reps with Connor McGovern there and

573
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 7: then okay.

574
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 6: O Coconor McDermott. I can never get these right.

575
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: There's econom mc governor down there, and there's economic govern here.

576
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 7: The Connor mcdee's in all of these places or mc gee's.

577
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 7: I just can't do it anymore. But so let's say

578
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 7: Tipman's a first team center, but then you have your

579
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 7: interior depth, but you don't really have a starting right

580
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 7: tackle at this point. So even the bodies they have

581
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 7: thrown the problem, I don't think are solving the current

582
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 7: issues that they're looking at.

583
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 4: Right now.

584
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 3: It's almost an upside down league. Where it used to

585
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: be you couldn't find an elite quarterback. You couldn't find

586
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: a great guy to take snaps. So you know, the

587
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: franchise quarterbacks were like blue moons. You know, they dropped

588
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: one dropped out of the sky every seven years. Right

589
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 3: now the whole conference has got a guy they think,

590
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 3: let's go, And now it's the other end. It's the

591
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 3: guy that's the grunts who you can't find.

592
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 6: Right it's interesting the way the game is shifted.

593
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 7: Because practice time is so limited now, and especially full

594
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 7: contact practice time, that position, specifically offensive line, gets the

595
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 7: least amount of work, gets least amount.

596
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 6: Of work together.

597
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 7: So I feel like that's where you really see the

598
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 7: changes in the CBA manifesting. Because quarterbacks receivers they can

599
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 7: get in what is essentially live work all the way

600
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 7: through OTAs and then even in the offseason when they're

601
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 7: working together, and think about going all the way back

602
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 7: to college and high school. I mean, these guys in

603
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 7: seven on seven from the time they're fourteen to fifteen

604
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 7: years old, throwing thousands and thousands of balls, thousands of routes.

605
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 7: Offensive lines aren't getting that sort of work. And then

606
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 7: you throw in the wrench of the college game being

607
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 7: different than the program in terms of how it's structure.

608
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 6: All the RPOs.

609
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 7: The development curve at that spot is bigger than it's

610
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 7: probably ever been, and there's less practice time allocated toward it.

611
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 7: And you combine that with the atheltic and athleticism gap

612
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 7: between what offensive linemen are and what defensive linemen look like,

613
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 7: and it's not the crisis that I think it was

614
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 7: four or five years ago. I wrote a big story

615
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 7: about that at the time, But I do think that

616
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 7: you see the shallow pool at that position compared to

617
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 7: some others.

618
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, because nobody nobody gets into football wanting to play

619
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: offensive line as a kid.

620
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: Nobody, that's true, nobody wants to play.

621
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 6: We all end up because we were too big to

622
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 6: do anyway.

623
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's what happens. You get weeded out.

624
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: It's like, well, you're you're big, and you're not as

625
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: athletic as these five guys, so we're gonna put you

626
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: on the offensive line. And so it's just the self

627
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: fulfilling prophecy, it seems. And then finding enough depth, let

628
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: alone five capable starters, just seems to be a monumental

629
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: task in the league.

630
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 3: The league is, the league's so big, the kids grow

631
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 3: up wanting to play, and I mean it's it's everywhere.

632
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,479
Speaker 3: I mean, it's ubiquitous. Twelve months a year, we talk

633
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 3: about it all the time. We're doing a radio show

634
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: twelve months a year about a team that plays, you know,

635
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 3: between September and January February. So the problem is this though,

636
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 3: too on defense, there's only two spots or one spot

637
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: if you're playing a three to four a nose tackle.

638
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 3: Every other spot on the defensive side of the ball

639
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 3: is trending towards athleticism, even the linebackers, outside linebackers, even

640
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 3: the defensive ends at the edge on a four to three,

641
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 3: they're getting lighter, more athletics, so you're getting more a

642
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: bigger pool of guys who can play that spot. Offensive

643
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: line is still six ' five three bills, you know,

644
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 3: six sixty three bills, six ' four, maybe six ' three, Okay,

645
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 3: maybe you can do it at six y three if

646
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 3: you got a long arm, if you got a long arm, right,

647
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: if you've got some other traits. It's just becoming so

648
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 3: specialized in the and the kids are getting coached at

649
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: a higher level. Lower lower levels of football are getting

650
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: coached at a higher level, and they're getting slotted very

651
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 3: early in life, and they never get out of it.

652
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 7: There's only so many guys built that bit that way,

653
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 7: that's wrong something. Guys that are that big from the start,

654
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 7: and we can take it even and step further. This

655
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 7: is really in the weeds. But there was a while,

656
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 7: you know, four or five years ago, when the entire

657
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 7: league was running all this outside zone running because of

658
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 7: the Shanahan system, and now the counter to that has

659
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 7: been a lot of gap scheme running where the linemen

660
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 7: are bigger, and so now you even need bigger linemen

661
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 7: to hold up in this kind of new version of

662
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 7: new trend on offense than you would have four or

663
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 7: five years ago. There aren't that many three hundred and

664
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 7: thirty pound dudes built like, oh, sir, Reed starts. There's

665
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 7: only so many of them walking in the earth.

666
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 3: Houston point.

667
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

668
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 3: And I when I was playing, and I've told a

669
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: lot of fans this, and the first Super Bowl we

670
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 3: went to a Super Bowl twenty five, there were seven

671
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 3: men in the entire National Football League listed in the

672
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: program at three hundred pounds or more. We had three

673
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 3: of them starting on the offensive line. So that was

674
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 3: kind of the trend setter.

675
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 4: You know.

676
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 3: Then you went through that Shanahan thing where now they

677
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 3: were getting like two eighty five two nine, you're right

678
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 3: around three bills. But they could run. They were they

679
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: didn't look like a Dion Dawkins kind of got big,

680
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 3: big dude. They were more spelt.

681
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 6: You're slas than your nailing guys.

682
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 3: They could turn, they could get out and run in

683
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 3: front of a guy going sideline to sideline, and now

684
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 3: the pendulum cord, like you said, is swinging back the

685
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 3: other way.

686
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 7: And I think that people are worried about and all

687
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 7: those Shanahan linemen. When the system was built on zone

688
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 7: running and play action, and when you're moving the pocket consistently,

689
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 7: those guys don't need to hold up and.

690
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 6: Drop out pass.

691
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 7: So if you have a two hundred and seventy pound guard,

692
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 7: that's fine because you're never asking him to block a

693
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 7: three technique who weighs three to ten one on one

694
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 7: and dropback situation.

695
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 6: Now, play action is.

696
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 7: Kind of changing in terms of how valuable it is

697
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 7: because of the shell structure, the defenses play. It's all

698
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 7: so cyclical, and where we end up always is there

699
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 7: aren't enough big guys. That is going to be kind

700
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 7: of the conclusion at the end of this conversation pretty

701
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 7: much every single time.

702
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: Which is why the Bills made the investments that they did.

703
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: And Conor McGovern, you know, Cyrus Torrance, even David Edwards yep,

704
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: who's approven started from the RAMS, has had injury issues,

705
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: but you know it's a guy that's here for depth

706
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 1: and is three fifteen. So they've made a philosophical shift

707
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: in what they've wanted for their guard position. But I

708
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: want to kind of shift. Speaking of shifting to your

709
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: team previews. You've obviously been, you know, traveling the league, hitting.

710
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: All the stops.

711
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 1: You had a favorable ranking for both the Bills offense

712
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: and defense. Why don't we start on the offensive side

713
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: of the ball, where you know you.

714
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: Had them in the top five. I think you had

715
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: them third best.

716
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: What do you like about this offense going into the

717
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: season and what might you have a concern.

718
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 2: Or two about.

719
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 7: It's always funny when you go back and revisit some

720
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 7: of the stats and the numbers after the season ends,

721
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 7: because in your mind you have what the narrative was

722
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 7: surrounding certain teams, and by the end of the season

723
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 7: with the Bills, the sky was falling. You know, what

724
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 7: were they going to do on offense? And there's so

725
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 7: many issues with the offense. And then you look back

726
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 7: at every single metric and they were the second best

727
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 7: offense in the league, right, And so you have this

728
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 7: baseline level of play because of who the quarterback is,

729
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 7: and because of who your number one receiver is, and

730
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 7: then some of the ancillary pieces. It's the fact that

731
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 7: they were number two last year, and they had all

732
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 7: these holes both personnel wise, and I think identity was

733
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 7: you know, Ken Dorsey is in year one and always

734
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 7: felt a little bit disjointed and disconnected in the second

735
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 7: half last season. So you add those two guards we

736
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 7: talked about where the interier of the pocket, the integrity

737
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 7: of that space can just hold up so much better,

738
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 7: hopefully than it did last year. Josh felt so uncomfortable

739
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 7: in the back half of the season where he's just

740
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 7: pulling the rip cord so quickly trying to get out

741
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 7: of there. I think they struggled to play on time

742
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 7: as a passing game. So hopefully that improves with the

743
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 7: guard play, and you have just the middle of the

744
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 7: field receiving option that you didn't have. Cole Beasley was

745
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 7: playing snaps for this team last year in the playoffs,

746
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 7: and now you have this guy who is a unique

747
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 7: kind of factor potentially in Kincaid, where he can be

748
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 7: a slot receiver but he's a little bit bigger and

749
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 7: can you create matchups that way. So after last year

750
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 7: when they were the second best offense in the league

751
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 7: with all these perceived slights, now you have these theoretical

752
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 7: improvements in ways that I think make a lot of

753
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 7: sense on paper, It's hard not to bet on this

754
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 7: team because the most important factors of it stayed the

755
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 7: same and they've worked on the areas where they were

756
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 7: the weakest.

757
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you get into that, You're right. You look

758
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 3: back on and it's like, Wow, nothing was broken last year.

759
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: I mean, there were number two in points. They were

760
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: the best team on third down in the league. They

761
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 3: faced fewer third down than any team in the league.

762
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: They had the second fewest drives in and turnover and

763
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: punch than anybody. I mean, but you still felt like,

764
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 3: and we've called it here a heavy lift at times.

765
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 3: And a lot has been said about Kika. We've been

766
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 3: talking about him. He's been the story of training camp.

767
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: How don't know how much that changes the core philosophy

768
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: of the offense. Certainly it's a guy you want to

769
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 3: get on the field, But how much can he go

770
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 3: from being the team that ran the least two tight

771
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 3: end sets in the National Football League too being what

772
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 3: even the top five. I mean, that's a big switch road,

773
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 3: that's a big jump.

774
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 7: I honestly think you don't think about it in those terms.

775
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 7: Don't think about it in eleven and twelve personnel and

776
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 7: those kind of black and white ways of painting it.

777
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 7: He's just a receiver, he's just a receiving option. He's

778
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 7: a secondary receiving option. And I do feel like teams

779
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 7: have done a good job around the league over the

780
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 7: last few years of exploiting kind of inefficiencies in that way.

781
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 7: The team I would come back to is the Vikings.

782
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 7: The Vikings looked at their problems last year. Adam Thielen's

783
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 7: clearly in the back half of his career. They have

784
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 7: matchups they just couldn't exploit based on the eleven personnel

785
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 7: and twenty one personnel that they were using. So they

786
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 7: looked at the landscape of the league and thought, we

787
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 7: can go get a Hockinson for two trades down in

788
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 7: the draft, where a receiver would cost a first if

789
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 7: we wanted to go get that guy, and then when

790
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 7: you eventually have to extend him, it's thirteen fourteen million

791
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 7: instead of twenty five. So I think teams have been

792
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 7: well served by looking at it more holistically, where we

793
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 7: just need another guy who can catch passes for us

794
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 7: and win single matchups that we can create for him.

795
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 7: And even if that's a tight end. It still gets

796
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 7: an offense where we wanted to go, and I think

797
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 7: that's the type of piece that Dalton Kink could theoretically be.

798
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, flipping it over to defense.

799
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: You had Bill's defense in your team previews, fifth best,

800
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: same question. What encourages you about what they've put together

801
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: there and what might give.

802
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: You a pause?

803
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 7: The depth at certain key positions is so important. There

804
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 7: was no tailor rap on this team over the last

805
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 7: couple of years. A guy who had that sort of

806
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 7: starting caliber play, he probably would have been the starter

807
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 7: I had and come back. So you have one more

808
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 7: layer of depth there. What's happening at corner? I'm sure

809
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 7: when they drafted Kyrielym in the first round, traded off

810
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 7: for him in the first round, they expected him to

811
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 7: be a starter for them, maybe as a rookie, certainly

812
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 7: by his second year. The idea that he's kind of

813
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 7: fighting with Benford and Dan Jackson and all of them

814
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 7: for that second spot now, I guess could be construed

815
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 7: as a negative just because he hasn't taken it, But

816
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,479
Speaker 7: you could also construe it as they've got so many

817
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 7: guys there now, they've got so many guys who.

818
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 3: Played Yeah, with time on the field.

819
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 7: Yea, even if there's a little bit of attrition, we

820
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 7: feel comfortable about that. So the secondary depth across the board,

821
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 7: I think is so much better. You go get Leonard Floyd,

822
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 7: Brandon Bean. No matter what happens, this guy is going

823
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 7: to get to the end of a season with enough

824
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 7: pass rushers one day, and I think that that's the

825
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 7: That is the move. Sure, he hopes that he is

826
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 7: going to do everything he can to get there, and

827
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 7: so you have the Floyd move, and maybe you can

828
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 7: bring Vaughan along a little bit more slowly because you

829
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 7: have bodies you can throw at the problem. The middle

830
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 7: linebacker spot is really the only piece that's changed, and

831
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 7: it's not even just the starters.

832
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 6: They've added depth in the right spot.

833
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 7: So again, it's just hard not to feel confident about

834
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 7: this group. Maybe you could say that some of the

835
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 7: key contributors are a year older, the safeties specifically, but

836
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 7: I just think that they've protected themselves. The insurance policies

837
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 7: they have, combined with the heights we've seen them reach,

838
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 7: it's hard not to feel good about where they are.

839
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 3: Robert Mays, thanks for coming on, man.

840
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 6: Appreciate it anytime, guys really appreciate it.

841
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's Robert Mays from The Athletic. You can check

842
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: his workout at the Athletic dot com or on the podcast,

843
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: The Athletic Football Show Podcast. Check it out on any

844
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: of your podcast platforms. We take a break here, we're

845
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: back with more on One Bill's Live, presented by Colida Health.

846
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right, welcome back to One

847
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: Bill's Live.

848
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you here on a Wednesday.

849
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 1: Other practice in the books here at One Bill's Drive.

850
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: Long one today for sure, but let's go around the NFL.

851
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: Didn't get a chance to do this at the top

852
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: of the show Around the NFL presented by Collida Health,

853
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: official healthcare system of the Buffalo Bills. And we begin

854
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: Steve with basically some AFC East news concerning the Dolphins

855
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: and their Pro Bowl defensive tackle Christian Wilkins sitting out

856
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: team drills due to a contract dispute. The two sides

857
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: are supposedly negotiating, according to head coach Mike McDaniel, but

858
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: he is choosing not to participate in practice, a hold

859
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: in of sorts which has become kind of in vogue

860
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: the last several years. You show up to camp, but

861
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: you don't practice, so you're on site. You're there rather

862
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: than sitting out and away from the team and getting

863
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: fined every day.

864
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 3: It has yeah because the league has stopped allowing teams.

865
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 4: To like.

866
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: Just poo pooh the finds that these players are. The

867
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 3: players are getting fined once. It's in outs, it's in

868
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 3: the regular seat. It's fifty grand a day that you're

869
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 3: not there. If you've got a contract, you're getting fined

870
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 3: fifty grand a day and they don't play. The club

871
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 3: can't pay it. It's coming out of somebody's pocketing. They're

872
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 3: yours off your new contract or whatever. So the players

873
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,959
Speaker 3: will now go in and refuse to practice. They're here,

874
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 3: they'll do everything, but they're not feeling it. You know,

875
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 3: they're just not going to do it. So you can't

876
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 3: find them, and it sounds awkward, and it is awkward.

877
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 3: That's why it's actually a pretty good technique for the players.

878
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: Nobody wants a player who don't want to play, and

879
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 3: it puts a shadow over the entire building. When you

880
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 3: got a guy who's out there, who's a really good player,

881
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: who doesn't want to play.

882
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 2: That's a team captain in the last two years for them.

883
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a thing.

884
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 2: It's not nobody, it's yeah, it's.

885
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 3: Not a guy who's just guy. Christian Wilkins is a

886
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 3: very good player. And it's a there's a big gap there.

887
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 3: There's a big void there if he's not there and

888
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: he's not participating in all that. And you know the

889
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 3: players are behind him. I said, they know. I mean

890
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: if he needs new money, he needs new money. But

891
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 3: here's the thing as well. Everybody knows how about how

892
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 3: much money an NFL team needs to get through the season.

893
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 3: The players know it, the owners know it, General managers

894
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: know what, coaches know it, agents know it. If there's

895
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: money to be had, somebody's getting it.

896
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: Right they are.

897
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 3: The roster will demand it.

898
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, Christian Wilkins says, watch nothing, but

899
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: every other defensive tackle from his draft class get paid.

900
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 3: You called it, it's the year of the defensive tackle.

901
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons got paid, Dexter Lawrence got paid.

902
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: Even at Oliver got paid.

903
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: I mean not as much as some of those top

904
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: tier guys, but he got his contract extension. And Christian

905
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: Wilkins is like, what the hell is going On's where's

906
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: my money?

907
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: That's right, where's my money? He's like Morty from Goodfellas,

908
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: I want my money. I wanted my money out.

909
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: You know, he's a he's a former first round pick.

910
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: He's in the fifth year of his rookie deal after they,

911
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: you know, picked up his fifth year option, and he's

912
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: only going to make about ten million or so. He's

913
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: got fellow defensive tackles in the league with comparable statistics

914
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: and impact making, you know, like more than fifty percent

915
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: more than that.

916
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, defensive tackles. I mean the names are like

917
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 3: Chris Jones, Aaron Donald, Jonathan All and Grady Jarrett, DeForest Buckner.

918
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 3: Those are the biggest cap hits. But the total cash

919
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 3: is Daron Payne. Aaron Donald signed, Doron Payne signed this offseason,

920
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 3: Quinn and Williams signed this off season, Jeffrey Simmons signed

921
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 3: this off season. Javon Hargrave signed this offseason. So, and

922
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 3: those numbers are thirty one million, twenty eight million, twenty

923
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: six million, twenty five he's making ten and he's making ten.

924
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 3: That's why he's holding in. There's your answer right there.

925
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: And I get it. I mean hey, and for me,

926
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 3: I hope he goes in there and trashes their locker.

927
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 3: I hope he flips over tables and stuff, right, because

928
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 3: the biggest disruption he is, the more it hurts that

929
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 3: team and it is not helping them having their one

930
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 3: of their best players hold in. Yeah, to be unhappy.

931
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 2: Chris Jones hasn't. Did he sign his extension yet? I

932
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: do not think think he did.

933
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 3: He's making a lot of ready his base salary's nineteen

934
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 3: to five.

935
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, he wants to make twenty eight twenty nine

936
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: a year, and I don't think that's gotten done either.

937
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, it is.

938
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: It is the off season of the defensive tackle. But

939
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: without question. Other news around the AFC East, running back

940
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott officially a Patriot. He's in Green Bay with

941
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: the rest of his team for joint practices with the Packers.

942
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: During his Wednesday pres conference today, You're gonna love this,

943
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: Steve bill Belich said it was good to add Elliott

944
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: to the roster. When asked what Elliott can bring to

945
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: New England's offense, Belichick said, well, we'll see. I spent

946
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: time with him last night and on the trip to

947
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: go over terminology and plays and protections, things like that.

948
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: Will work him in there when he's ready and see

949
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,479
Speaker 2: how that goes. So not over.

950
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: I mean, Belichick is rarely exuberant about anything, but watching

951
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: Elliott jog out onto the practice field for the Patriots today,

952
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: I know he's got a sweatsuit on. I was like,

953
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: what's he doing. He's trying to lose water weed like

954
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: a boxer. What's going on here? It's the middle of

955
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: the summer. I mean, I know you're in Green Bay,

956
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: but you got a boiler under there.

957
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 6: What's going on?

958
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 3: I think the Patriots will treat Zeke Elliot the exact

959
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 3: same way they treated Cam Newton when he was in

960
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 3: there for a year. They will absolutely give him six

961
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 3: thousand touches. They're gonna use him up on a one

962
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 3: year deal.

963
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: Well, you're assuming he makes the team.

964
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 3: He's going to be a to mule.

965
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: I'm not even convinced he makes the roster. I don't know.

966
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he's probably he does, but Belichick doesn't care

967
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: about that stuff.

968
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 3: I'm projecting he looked for two years in Dallas, at

969
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,479
Speaker 3: least two years. He looked disengaged. He did not look

970
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 3: like he was in Dallas because he liked playing for

971
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 3: way last two years, right, that's right. Yeah, So I'm

972
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: if Zeke shows up and wants to earn every sin

973
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 3: of the money they're giving him and he starts playing

974
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 3: hard and stuff, I don't think there's anybody on that

975
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 3: roster and keep well Tomandre, Steven Demandrerimandre can but Zekel

976
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 3: steal carries from him if he if if Zeke wants to,

977
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: he's he's one of those guys. As good as he's

978
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 3: he's going to be as good as he decides he

979
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 3: wants to be the question and he has not decided

980
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 3: to be any good the last couple of years. I

981
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 3: think it's all inside him and we'll see what the

982
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 3: Patriots do. But the Patriots have a long history of

983
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 3: sapping the want to out of players.

984
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 1: Other AFC News Pro Bowl cornerback Marlon Humphrey it's gonna

985
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: have foot surgery. So a position that's already thinned due

986
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: to injury in Baltimore is thinned even more with this

987
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 1: injury to their Pro Bowl cornerback. Raven's head coach John

988
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: Harbaugh said it's been a lingering injury for Humphrey that

989
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: he's been playing through, but he doesn't think it's going

990
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: to be a long term deal. Rok you Sin is

991
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: Baltimore's other starting cornerback. He's been sidelined since August third

992
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: with a knee injury that's not considered to be significant.

993
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: But they're almost two weeks into that one. So there's

994
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: a team that may have to sign a corner here

995
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: or there in the interim.

996
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 3: Think about trying to find a starting corner on the street. Yeah,

997
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 3: that's bad. That's a bad place.

998
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 2: And then there's this, Steve, I thought you would find

999
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: this interesting. We all know that there is a new.

1000
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: Kickoff rule that allows returners to fair catch a kickoff

1001
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: and the team gets it at the twenty five. You know,

1002
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: last week in all the preseason games, not a single

1003
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: fair catch on a kickoff. Now, my question to you

1004
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: is this, do you think this is because a returners

1005
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 1: want to prove themselves to land on rosters? And why

1006
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: am I gonna take a fair catch when I have

1007
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: a chance to make a play.

1008
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: Because we saw guys in.

1009
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: The preseason game here last week against Indy six seven

1010
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: yards deep in the end zone bringing it out. Nobody's

1011
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: fair catching, nobody's taking a knee or do you think

1012
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: it is a byproduct of teams holding their plans until

1013
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: the regular season.

1014
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 3: I think it's b I don't think you by showing

1015
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 3: I think they're just saying, listen, we want to find

1016
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 3: out who can play, So we're gonna go out there

1017
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 3: and return these kicks and listen strategator reps on these guys.

1018
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: Strategy is gonna come Week one in the regular season.

1019
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 3: I think I really think we're gonna see some different

1020
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 3: stuff across the National Football League. The fact that nobody,

1021
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 3: nobody is fair catching it.

1022
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 2: Nobody did last week, Yeah.

1023
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 3: That is it's because it's the preseason. I think I've

1024
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 3: always long been a proponent of having a kicker. Now,

1025
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 3: I know Tyler Baskin put it out of the back

1026
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 3: of the end zone and it's awesome. Most of his

1027
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 3: kicks are touchbacks, and a lot of kickers around the

1028
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 3: league are doing that these days. But I've been a

1029
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,959
Speaker 3: big proponent in my own mind of hitting the ball

1030
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 3: down there, like a knuckleball between the hay right down

1031
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 3: the middle of the field, so it would have a

1032
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 3: difficult time rolling out of bounds one sideline or the other,

1033
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 3: and forcing the guy to either wait on it to

1034
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: get into the end zone, to down it, or to

1035
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 3: feel a bouncing football that doesn't bounce all that good.

1036
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 3: I think that's an intriguing possibility to take the fair

1037
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 3: catch and plus here. And we talked about this at

1038
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 3: link on the show too. I believe I think you're

1039
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 3: going to get into the point like where you get

1040
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 3: week five of the football season. Right, So you're week

1041
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 3: five of the football season and the Buffalo Bills, the

1042
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 3: Buffalo Bills are gonna play who is it Week five?

1043
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 3: It is, yeah, Jacksonville in London.

1044
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:19,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1045
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 3: So you get into week five of the regular season

1046
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 3: and the Jacksonville Jaguars haven't had to cover a kickoff yet.

1047
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 3: Everybody's either fair caught them or they're kicking it out

1048
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 3: of the end zone. So you got a kickoff return

1049
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 3: team that hasn't even had a live rep. Ever, to me,

1050
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 3: that speaks of forcing those guys to work for the

1051
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 3: first time, because the only the only time you get

1052
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 3: good at kickoff returns is if your defense stinks and

1053
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 3: you do it all the time. You kick off return

1054
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 3: all the time because the other team's scoring running out.

1055
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 2: The score on Hindy was number one in the league.

1056
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: And kick return average last year because their defense was

1057
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 1: twenty eighth and points allowed.

1058
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 3: That's why, that's why, why it happens. You get reps

1059
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 3: and you get reps and you can't practice it live.

1060
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 3: The only time you get is in a game. So

1061
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 3: if you do it more and more in a game,

1062
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 3: you get better and better at it. I mean, it's

1063
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 3: the way it works. It's way it works in my day,

1064
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 3: worked in my day, and it's the way it works

1065
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 3: still today. So I think week five of the season

1066
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 3: you get down. I'm just saying that, or maybe it's

1067
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 3: you know whatever, it could be week eight when the

1068
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 3: Bills play Tampa Bay at home. You know, October twenty sixth.

1069
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 3: You get this team that you're gonna go up against

1070
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 3: and you haven't seen them cover or return a kickoff

1071
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 3: in like two months. Let's see what you we're gonna see.

1072
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 3: We're gonna see you return a kickoff. We're gonna put

1073
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 3: it down. They're gonna one hop it or two hop

1074
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 3: it or six hop it down. The hash marks guys

1075
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 3: gonna have to you know, we've all seen that ball

1076
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 3: bounce away from people and all that. And then we'll

1077
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 3: see if we can gain an advantage and get you

1078
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 3: down on the ten yard line in the fifteen yard line.

1079
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 3: I think that's on the horizon, But I don't know

1080
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 3: if it'll happen week one or whether they'll wait to see, know,

1081
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 3: you know, dip their toe into that water a little bit.

1082
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Speaker 3: I think somebody's gonna try it.

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00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: I just wonder how frequently teams will turn to it

1084
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 1: as an answer.

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00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 3: I tried to get it out of Matt Smiley talking

1086
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 3: to him. He's like, he's not how, he doesn't nothing

1087
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 3: give He's like I I literally could not get anything out.

1088
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 3: I don't know what he's thinking because he's got a

1089
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 3: really good shick. Well that's the way all these guys are,

1090
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 3: I mean, and he's not telling me, and he's not

1091
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 3: gonna tell me anybody anything. And besides that, as much

1092
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 3: as I respect I have with Mitt Smiley and all

1093
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 3: the special teams coordinators out there, it's the head coach.

1094
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 3: He's going to tell him what to do. So I

1095
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 3: want the guy to do this, you know. So I

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00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 3: think it's really going to be intriguing to watch because

1097
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 3: there is the unknown. You got a lot of smart

1098
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 3: people attacking it, and they're all going to come up

1099
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 3: with an idea and we'll see what it is.

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Speaker 1: My idea is we better take a break here because

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00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: we're way over taking a break here back with out

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Speaker 1: our number two, and we're gonna need your participation as

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Speaker 1: we discuss our topic of the day. Eight oh three

1104
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Speaker 1: oh five fifty to get on board. It's one Bills

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Speaker 1: Live presented by Colida Health. This is Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 3: This is One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 1: All Right, nour number two, Chris Brown, Steve Tester with

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Speaker 1: you One Bill's Live here on a Wednesday, as we

1109
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: roll through the preseason Steelers on tap next on the

1110
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: road this coming weekend. As we zero in on that

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00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: topic of discussion for you today concerns the second preseason

1112
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: game of the Bills. Which offensive player needs to show

1113
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: you more in preseason game number two? You let us

1114
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: know at aight oh three five to fifty one eight

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00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: eight eight five fifty two five fifty the number to

1116
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 1: get on board. Maybe there's a player you were really

1117
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: pulling for, didn't give you what you wanted in the

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00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 1: first preseason game.

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00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: What do you need from that player in preseason game

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Speaker 2: number two?

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00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a player that showed you a little bit

1122
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: more than you thought they had in preseason Game one,

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00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: and now you want to see even more in game

1124
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: two to see if they can build on the first

1125
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: preseason performance. So if you got somebody in mind, you

1126
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 1: let us know on the offensive side of the ball, aight,

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00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: oh threeh five to fifty one eight eight eight five

1128
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: fifty two five fifty got open lines for you there,

1129
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: or you can hit us up on the tweet sheet

1130
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: at one Bills Live. But let's go to the phones

1131
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: leading us off today, Brian and Alabama.

1132
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 2: What you got first? Brian, you're on one Bill's Live.

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00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 8: Very good afternoon.

1134
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 4: That was how you guys going.

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00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 8: What I'm about to say. I know it doesn't answer

1136
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 8: your question your topic of the day specifically, but for

1137
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 8: me it would be Tyrrel Dotson and my only concern,

1138
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 8: and I just wanted to get you guys thoughts in

1139
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 8: your answer. You guys felt like the Bills made a

1140
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 8: mistake letting Tremaine Edmons go and paying at Oliver that

1141
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 8: contract money. And the only reason why I say that

1142
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 8: is because just watching the game against the Colts, it

1143
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 8: just seemed like Dotson had a hard time shedding any

1144
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 8: type of blocks, and I just don't unless our defensive

1145
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 8: line turns into world beaters throughout the season, I just

1146
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 8: don't see how we really made improvements in that area.

1147
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,479
Speaker 8: So I just wanted to get you guys take because

1148
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 8: I looked at at oliver contract. It's comparable to what

1149
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 8: Tremaine Edmund's got, so I wonder what the value to me,

1150
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 8: I would think you would value Tremaine Edmunds over ad Oliver.

1151
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 8: I'm glad both of them got their money, but just

1152
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 8: wanted to get you guys take on that.

1153
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem, Brian, Thanks for the call.

1154
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: I would say, in the grand scheme of where the

1155
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: NFL is now for most teams, and I would say

1156
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: twenty eight out of the thirty two, defensive tackle is

1157
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: a more premium position than middle linebacker. You need big

1158
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: guys and talented guys down inside on your defensive front.

1159
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: Most teams cannot win without them.

1160
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: Now.

1161
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: Having an a one middle linebacker is great.

1162
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 2: You know.

1163
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: And Tremaine Edmunds was a Pro Bowl caliber player here

1164
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: for a couple of seasons. I think there were advantages

1165
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: to his game because of his body type, his length,

1166
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: his range, but there were also detriments to his body type,

1167
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: for example, change of direction in tight areas.

1168
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 2: He was so long levered.

1169
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: That change of direction in tight areas, particularly in a

1170
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: hole back on backer, that if he took a shoulder fake,

1171
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: he couldn't get back and fill the gap to make

1172
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: the play. So there were pluses and minuses to his

1173
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: game because of his height and length. And I don't

1174
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: I think they knew that Tremaine was going to get

1175
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: paid on the free agent market, and he was going

1176
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: to test the market, as any agent would tell you

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00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: he should have because he knew he was going to

1178
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: get paid and what was not a very deep pool

1179
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: of veteran middle linebacker talent this year in free agency,

1180
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: and that proved to be correct. He got seventeen million

1181
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: dollars a year. Ed didn't get that kind of money.

1182
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: He'd he did re sign, But if you look around

1183
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: the league, defensive tackles get paid considerably more than that.

1184
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I guess you could weigh it out,

1185
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 2: and I don't know.

1186
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: Maybe if he has ten people, maybe it is split

1187
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: down the middle fifty to fifty as whether you take

1188
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: Oliver or whether you take Edmonds. I think the defensive

1189
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: line can be that good this year based on the

1190
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: waves of guys we saw coming through in preseason game

1191
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: number one. And that's without even Von Miller a part

1192
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: of the equation. So I get what you're saying. And

1193
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: with the state of middle linebacker right now with some

1194
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: injured guys, I think it's easy to say it, too.

1195
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 3: Easy to say it. Yeah, I'll say this, Tremaine is

1196
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 3: like number five overall inside linebackers with his fresh contract.

1197
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 3: He's the fifth guy overall with the Chicago Bears. And

1198
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 3: you're right, their contracts are pretty similar. Tremaine is just

1199
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 3: a little higher than Ed is. Tremain's getting like a

1200
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 3: fifty million dollar guaranteed contract. Ed's got forty five million,

1201
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 3: seventeen million dollars in cash this year to Ed and

1202
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 3: like eighteen million for Tremaine. So they're very comparable when

1203
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 3: you start talking about that. But like Brownie said, Ed

1204
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 3: is like the he just signed the car. He's like

1205
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 3: the last guy who have signed a defensive tackle contract

1206
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 3: in the NFL. He's like twelfth on the list. It

1207
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,479
Speaker 3: is a premium position, yeah, and at.

1208
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: The premium position they got an affordable value, yes, where

1209
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: at middle linebacker they would not have just by the

1210
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: numbers you laid out.

1211
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Speaker 3: That's right. So and I think most teams and we had,

1212
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 3: you know, Robert may was just sitting here last segment.

1213
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 3: You'd got to have big dudes up front on both

1214
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 3: sides of the ball to win. And I think Tremaine

1215
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 3: Edmonds is a little bit that middle linebacker spot is going.

1216
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 3: The direction defensively a lot like the direction of the

1217
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 3: running backs are going, although it's way behind that that

1218
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 3: drop the running backs dropped off the face of the earth.

1219
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 3: On the market, you can't even get a good contract

1220
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 3: as a running back, and I think the linebackers are

1221
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 3: getting to that point. Although good linebackers are still in

1222
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 3: high demand, but I just don't think the middle linebacker

1223
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 3: is the money spot that it was was once was.

1224
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, because of the way the game is played now.

1225
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 3: The game's not played like it used to play. You

1226
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 3: got guys playing middle linebacker that are light. You know,

1227
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 3: Tremaine was an exception physically, an exception to the position.

1228
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,959
Speaker 3: And even when he was here, people we got calls

1229
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 3: all the time about moving Tremaine to the edge as

1230
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 3: an edge rusher. I mean they and people were. He

1231
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 3: was polarizing through his first four years in the league

1232
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 3: as a Buffalo Bill, people are like, ay, they just

1233
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 3: wanted more from him, So I think and I think

1234
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 3: that echoed a little bit maybe what the Bills felt

1235
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 3: about him. Uh, he wasn't Luke Keighley dominating, He wasn't

1236
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 3: Brian Erlacker dominating. He was a really good player and

1237
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 3: an accomplished player. But I don't but for this team

1238
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 3: moving forward, I thought they felt like there would be

1239
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 3: a less of a drop off if you let that

1240
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 3: guy go Tremaine, then there would be if you let

1241
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 3: a guy like Ed Oliver go, because he's a quality guy,

1242
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 3: gives you a lot of snaps, and he's a and

1243
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 3: he's a disruptor, Tremaine would never have been called that.

1244
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 3: So I don't know. You're right. Their contracts are very comparable.

1245
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 3: But I think the more important position in this day

1246
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 3: and age of the NFL is the defensive tackle, not

1247
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 3: the middle linebacker.

1248
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: Which offensive player needs to show you more in preseason

1249
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: game number two, either because they didn't show you what

1250
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: you were hoping for in preseason game number one, or

1251
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: maybe they exceeded your expectations in preseason game number one.

1252
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: Now you want to see if they coul duplicate it,

1253
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: or even build on it more. You let us know

1254
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 1: at eight h three zero five point fifty one eight

1255
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: eight eight five fifty two five fifty the number to

1256
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: get on board. Let's go to the tweet sheet, which

1257
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: is brought to you by Corrigan Moving Systems, the official

1258
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills. Carl says Spencer

1259
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: Brown just because I'd like to see some consistency in

1260
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: his performance. Yeah, there seems to be, you know, much

1261
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 1: the way we saw a small contingent of critics for

1262
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmonds and his play, there seems to be some

1263
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: of that from the fan base regarding Spencer Brown as well.

1264
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 2: Right or wrong, I mean, I don't know.

1265
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:33,919
Speaker 1: Just seems like he's a guy that people find more

1266
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: often than not. And I'm really hoping for a big

1267
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: Season three from him because we've seen other draft products

1268
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: from this franchise in the Bean McDermott era really blossom

1269
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: in year three. So it is my hope that that

1270
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: happens for him this year.

1271
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm health is big factor going into a lot

1272
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 3: of unknowns, but I've said it a million times, what

1273
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 3: happens these guys get their off season together and they

1274
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 3: start to get used to having an off season and

1275
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 3: looking forward to it and preparing for it, so they

1276
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 3: don't have to spend their whole off season wondering where

1277
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 3: they're gonna live, how they're gonna work out, who they're

1278
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 3: gonna work out with, how they're gonna travel, when their

1279
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 3: trip's gonna happen, you know, when their trips away are

1280
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 3: gonna have, when their downtime is they get it all

1281
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 3: wired and dialed in so they can actually improve and

1282
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 3: they come back with a level of knowledge about the

1283
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 3: offense defense that they're running. They can start from there

1284
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 3: and build on it. So it's all you know. Just

1285
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 3: takes that long for that to happen, and hopefully it'll

1286
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 3: happen for him.

1287
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: Jack on the Tweets Sheet says Shakir is the obvious choice.

1288
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 2: He's up and down camp. Along with being behind.

1289
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: Sherfield and pushed by the likes of Isabella Shavers and Shorter,

1290
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: he'd firmly be on the bubble right now, but also

1291
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: Spencer Brown and the tackles as a whole. Can Brown

1292
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: show his rookie year for him or will he be pushed?

1293
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 2: Well, the guy that was pushing him just retired.

1294
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 1: Brinschell was the guy that was pushing him and he

1295
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: just decided, yeah, I'm good, I'm not playing anymore. As

1296
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: for Shakir, though, Steve, why don't you take that one,

1297
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: because in this first preseason game, Shavers flashed Keishawn Johnson flashed,

1298
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: Andy Isabella flashed.

1299
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:16,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm uh, he's gotta pushed. Isabella is the guy

1300
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 3: that I think is in the running with Shaki because

1301
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 3: he's a slot guy, like like Khalil is. And you know,

1302
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 3: you're right, Khalil has done some good things. Even he

1303
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 3: had an easy drop there even in that game on

1304
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 3: third down when he could have extended it. But he

1305
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 3: also had you know, some great some great catches. So

1306
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 3: a little bit of a roller coaster. The thing that's

1307
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 3: working against Shakir is Isabella's ability to return kicks, Hardy's

1308
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 3: ability to return kicks, their speed and athleticism that Shakira

1309
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 3: doesn't have. So that's what is, you know the problem

1310
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 3: for Shakir. You got guys that are better athletes than

1311
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 3: you are, and if they play well, they've got abilities

1312
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 3: to make up small play into a touchdown that you

1313
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 3: don't we'll see, right, But you know, Shaki played and

1314
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 3: he's got some chops. He's he played well. He got

1315
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 3: in on the in the playoff game a year ago,

1316
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 3: so we'll see.

1317
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1318
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: I mean we've seen some of these guys on the

1319
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: back end of the receiver roster kind of flash here

1320
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: and there, absolutely all of them in the preseason game.

1321
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: I mean, Isabella mats and plays. We've heard nothing but

1322
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: positive comments from the quarterbacks on him. And then I

1323
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 1: think Kishawn Johnson the last two or three days of

1324
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: training camp at Fisher followed by the preseason game have

1325
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: been pretty encouraging as well. He had another good day

1326
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: today on the practice field, so I think Kishawn Johnson

1327
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: is making a case for himself. So yeah, I mean

1328
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be tight on the back end there.

1329
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, Steve one of these guys that's.

1330
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 2: Battling with Shakir.

1331
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: They are one big prof four months away in a

1332
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: preseason game from possibly locking down a roster spot, especially

1333
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: if they have something in the special teams aspect of

1334
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: the game to offer Reichen Isabella or a shorter you

1335
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: know who runs on gunner sometimes.

1336
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 3: So that's right, and they got and like guys like

1337
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 3: Shavers and shorter. They're like six three six ' four

1338
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 3: and heavier, and their bigger physical matchup. Plus they can

1339
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 3: play they can play down inside if they are playing

1340
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 3: special teams, they can run at the two threes, the threes,

1341
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 3: fours and fives on kickoff, or be down at the

1342
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 3: guards and tackles on a punt on a punt cover team.

1343
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 3: They're big enough to match up in there. So yeah,

1344
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 3: they give you something, But you know, I still think

1345
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 3: six is the number of wide receivers they're gonna keep

1346
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 3: on the roster, and they'll probably activate six for a game.

1347
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 3: Yeah that's so, there's your number, and you got Sherfield

1348
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 3: and Hardy along with Davis, Diggs and Shakir. Now if

1349
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 3: Shaki stumbles and it, then you got an extra slot

1350
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 3: there for you know, Isabella or one of the other

1351
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 3: guy's Shavers or Shorter or whoever the guy is, you

1352
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 3: take your pick. That obviously opens up a slot if

1353
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 3: one of those guys beats a guy out. Yeah, that

1354
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 3: six is the number in my mind.

1355
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 2: Yeah I think so too.

1356
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean they wouldn't put one or two on

1357
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: the practice squad. Yeah, you know, keep guys that know

1358
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 1: the system and maybe just miss the cut that you

1359
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 1: think maybe with a little development, can have a better

1360
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: shot next year or even later in the season if

1361
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 1: need be. Garvey on the tweets sheet says, Isabella in

1362
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 1: the slot if he's making the roster as a special

1363
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: team or he needs to be able to back up

1364
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: the slot wide receiver position in case there is an injury.

1365
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: I think we saw evidence of that last week against

1366
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 1: the Colts. You had a couple of receptions on quick slants,

1367
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 1: got open early in the down, made for an easy

1368
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: button throw. So yeah, I mean, I think he's shown that,

1369
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, if he shows more on Saturday against the Steelers,

1370
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: all the better.

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01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 3: This is a team we've harped on it this offseason.

1372
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 3: When you're trying to make the team, don't do what

1373
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 3: the Bills struggled with a year ago, because they don't

1374
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 3: want more of the same struggles, which is drops and

1375
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 3: don't cough it up like Sternberger did with the second

1376
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 3: hit in the game against the Colts. You got to

1377
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 3: stay away from that stuff. Don't drop it and don't

1378
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 3: fumble it. Then you know, then you just play and

1379
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 3: you give yourself a chance. But those mistakes and those

1380
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:38,560
Speaker 3: miscues really resonate not just with the fans on the

1381
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:40,839
Speaker 3: tweet sheet, which we're getting a ton of this stuff

1382
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 3: on the tweet sheet, but we're also you know, the

1383
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 3: coaching staff's the same way. I mean, it's it's like

1384
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 3: putting you've already been burned by the fire once, how

1385
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 3: you know, you're even more hesitant to put your hand

1386
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 3: in that fire again. And they don't want to. They

1387
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 3: don't want to go down that road that it was

1388
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 3: a it was a plague last year at times. Drops

1389
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 3: and turnovers were crushing this team at times last year.

1390
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 3: Just be I mean, they won a lot of games

1391
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 3: in spite of all that. You know, they won thirteen

1392
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 3: games in spite of doing all the stuff we talk about.

1393
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 3: But man, oh man, the stress level is just through

1394
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 3: the roof, and they're you know, if you don't turn

1395
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 3: it over, you got a chance. Latavious Murray and Damian

1396
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 3: Harris are no accidents. Those guys never cough it up.

1397
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 3: I'm knock on wood almost they never cough it up.

1398
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 3: That's their whole career. They've got like three fumbles between

1399
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 3: them and at like a thousand carries. They never turn

1400
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,720
Speaker 3: it over. That's no coincidence that they're on this team.

1401
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1402
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 1: Connor on the tweets sheet says Shakir he had two

1403
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 1: fantastic catches in game one, but one really big drop.

1404
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: Drops were a problem for Buffalo last year. Can't have

1405
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 1: that happen again. It also sounds like he's had an

1406
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 1: up and down camp, so I think he needs to

1407
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 1: show up big. He's he's got competition right now, like

1408
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 1: serious competition. Isabella Shavers, Keyshawn Johnson. I would say, are

1409
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: probably the three that have pushed him the most. I

1410
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: mean a lot of people kind of went into this saying, oh,

1411
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 1: you know, Chakier's the five, you know, and then they'll

1412
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 1: figure out who fills the sixth spot.

1413
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 2: Five and six might both be open right now.

1414
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can say what you want about Diggs and Davis, Hardy, Airfield,

1415
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 3: Surefield your top four, but I think nobody in the

1416
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 3: wide receiver room or any other position group, you can

1417
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 3: say any of them. Nobody signed with the Buffalo Bills

1418
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:44,879
Speaker 3: because they did not have a chance.

1419
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 4: To make it.

1420
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 3: If they do all the right stuff. We've seen it

1421
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 3: too many times. Christian Benford is the perfect example. Robert Foster,

1422
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 3: Levi Wallace, Matt Mulano, go down the list of guys

1423
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 3: who we didn't know who they were, and all of

1424
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 3: a sudden become solid, dependable fixtures. Nobody on this roster

1425
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 3: signs here without the opportunity to really make it. If

1426
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 3: they play well enough, if they play well, if they

1427
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 3: play well, they're gonna make it. There's just no other

1428
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 3: way to put it. This coaching staff has been as

1429
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 3: honest about that as any coaching staff I've ever seen

1430
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 3: or heard about. What happened with Christian Benford and Kyrie

1431
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 3: Elam last year was unprecedented. I mean, it just never

1432
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 3: used to happen. But this coaching staff and the culture

1433
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 3: that McDermott and being instilled, it's real, and it gets around.

1434
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 3: Word gets around. If you don't just get it because

1435
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 3: you signed the deal, even if it's a bigger yeah,

1436
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 3: you don't get it just by default. So all these

1437
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 3: guys down the roster, you know, all these wide we got,

1438
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 3: you know, thirteen wide receivers on the roster, they all

1439
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 3: got a shot at it, and they all feel if

1440
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 3: they play well, they're going to be kept around.

1441
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 4: Period.

1442
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 3: That's it. And so just because Khalil Shakir had a

1443
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 3: nice game in the playoffs, or got finally got on

1444
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 3: the field late last year. It doesn't matter if he

1445
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 3: gets outplayed. Yeah, that's the hard reality of the culture

1446
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 3: that McDermott has instilled here.

1447
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: Now, Well, one quick one here before we break, Bill's

1448
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 1: fan seventy one says, justin Shorter, he might just be

1449
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: on the bubble now that other guys like Isabella are

1450
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 1: stepping up their game. I think a lot of people

1451
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: were expecting big things out of Shorter in preseason.

1452
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 2: Game number one.

1453
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 1: Didn't really get many opportunities to catch the football, and

1454
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: other guys did later in the game, And so now

1455
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:46,680
Speaker 1: you wonder what you're gonna get from Shorter here in

1456
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: preseason game number two. You know he's going to be

1457
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: eager to rebound, knowing some of the other guys down

1458
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: there on the depth chart with him did make some plays.

1459
01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 1: So I'm very curious to see what Shorter can offer

1460
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: for in preseason game number two.

1461
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 2: Break time here. When we come back, we're gonna.

1462
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 1: Hear from one Ed Oliver, who addressed the media after

1463
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: practice today. We'll catch up with him when we return here.

1464
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: On One Bill's Live, presented by Colid of Health, It's

1465
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:13,600
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's Radio.

1466
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 2: Welcome back to One Bill's Live.

1467
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 1: First Brown Steve Tasker with you and addressing the media

1468
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 1: after practice today was one Ed Oliver. So we're gonna

1469
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 1: check in with him now to get his thoughts on

1470
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: how things are proceeding for him through the course of

1471
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: this preseason.

1472
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 9: Feeling healthy at a little injury there during training camp.

1473
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 9: How you feeling now and coming out of the preseason game,

1474
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 9: how do you think the D line is progressing as well?

1475
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 3: Uh?

1476
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 10: Feel a whole lot better, feel back to normal, you know,

1477
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 10: just getting out the back out there with the guys

1478
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 10: at a pre she's in game went good, absolutely won,

1479
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 10: went our way. D line got off. I think Tim

1480
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 10: had like back to back sacks or something like that.

1481
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 10: Boogie Tim and boogie and just the D line as

1482
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 10: a whole got off. Uh, Rooke had a sack, DJ

1483
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 10: had a sack along with uh what's his name or

1484
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:19,640
Speaker 10: the d N god damn with Cam. So I mean

1485
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:21,600
Speaker 10: they were getting off watching him from the sideline like

1486
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 10: now the boy getting off.

1487
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 4: So things should be good.

1488
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: How different is it not having Tremaine Edmonds be the

1489
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 1: voice decided to huddle on having it he just a

1490
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 1: different voice.

1491
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 4: The craziest part there is.

1492
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 10: You get so used to, hey, God, let go now,

1493
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 10: and you hear that voice, and then when somebody else

1494
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 10: is calling them players, like who the hell is that talking?

1495
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,719
Speaker 10: So that's that been the hardest part of just because

1496
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 10: I just even when Tremaine was tired and he'd be mumbling,

1497
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 10: like I know what he's saying, so just like learning,

1498
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,679
Speaker 10: like when I was like what does that mean?

1499
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 4: Like just because I knew what tremain meant.

1500
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 10: But sometime when it's going fast and they get the mumbled,

1501
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 10: I'm like, man, you trying to say what?

1502
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 4: So that just been the hardest part.

1503
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,799
Speaker 10: But any other than that, uh, every linebacker middle linebacker

1504
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:07,600
Speaker 10: that then stepped up and took great control of the

1505
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 10: huddle and uh, you know they call the place and

1506
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 10: they been doing good.

1507
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 4: You understood the experiences and so far.

1508
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 10: When they get the mumba, I don't understand nothing said

1509
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 10: Like I justine got so used to it was just

1510
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 10: always trade Traine, charrange, trange terrain. So I'm just I

1511
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:23,839
Speaker 10: just know what he's saying. What I really paying attention?

1512
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 10: So nah, like what you said, like I really got

1513
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 10: to listen, and so you know, but it's been like

1514
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 10: I didn't have three different linebackers called and play. So

1515
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 10: I just been I didne got used to like really

1516
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 10: locking it in and listening. But other than that, everything

1517
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 10: been smooth. They take great control of the huddle and uh,

1518
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 10: you know it's their huddle when they out there.

1519
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 4: Like it's supposed to be.

1520
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 2: Fifth year in the league, you got your contracts.

1521
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 8: Do you feel different?

1522
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 11: Do you feel like you're at a different stage now

1523
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 11: of your career?

1524
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 10: Nah, I kind of feel like a rookie again, Like

1525
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 10: you know when you come in as a rookie trying

1526
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:55,759
Speaker 10: to prove yourself again.

1527
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 4: So like you done got paid.

1528
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:58,600
Speaker 10: I just as a rookie when you get paid and

1529
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 10: you trying to prove yourself again. So like it just

1530
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 10: now is proven while he they gave me the money,

1531
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 10: you know, and it's just doing the same thing.

1532
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 4: It's just building on what I already done.

1533
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 1: So you r said that Washington said, you know, he

1534
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: loved the way you play, and he's saying I want

1535
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: him to play like a guy who's still out trying

1536
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:12,560
Speaker 1: to prove it.

1537
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 2: You already feel that.

1538
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 10: Way, Yeah, that I mean and to my core, like

1539
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 10: not because anybody want me to feel that way, but

1540
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 10: that just that just how I am, like just coming

1541
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 10: back way back from high school, just walking around with

1542
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,719
Speaker 10: a chip on my shoulder. I feel like the first

1543
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 10: four years was one contract, A nine's the next. It's

1544
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:30,640
Speaker 10: just like, alright, that was behind me. Now let me

1545
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:32,719
Speaker 10: go out there and improve myself once again.

1546
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 4: You know. So that's really truly how I feel like

1547
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 4: in my soul.

1548
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 1: You got to Yeah, anything special you did after you

1549
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 1: got the deal done?

1550
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 10: Uh nah, not really cause I mean I already had money,

1551
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 10: so like it just make it like a less of

1552
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 10: a burden, you know, so money is not a problem anymore.

1553
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 10: So yeah, I mean I lived a little uh think

1554
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 10: I got a new car.

1555
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 4: Other than that, I had already had a house like

1556
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 4: my forever home.

1557
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:03,759
Speaker 10: My mama set up, Dad set up, so everybody's pretty

1558
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 10: much so taken care of. But now it's like, uh

1559
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 10: it's it is my daughter gonna be taken care of

1560
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,679
Speaker 10: evil I know for Shore it is good. And any

1561
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 10: more future kids, I know they gonna be good too now.

1562
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 10: So it just you know, burn taking out and it

1563
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 10: allowed me to play more free, uh, allowed me to

1564
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 10: take better care of my body. Things like that, my money,

1565
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,879
Speaker 10: more extra money to invest back into yourself.

1566
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 4: So that's uh w what.

1567
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 10: I got a new contract and not I was gonna

1568
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 10: have horse and so but I I did by uh

1569
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:35,560
Speaker 10: uh trying stud uh from a homor cell and he

1570
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 10: doing real good. So that's the only one I think

1571
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 10: I have got since then.

1572
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 3: With all the work you get out here and practice

1573
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 3: and training camp, how much work do you need in

1574
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 3: the preseason games to get yourself ready to do you need?

1575
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 10: I mean, the the work get put in out here,

1576
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 10: Like it's kind of hot today, the work is put

1577
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 10: in out here. I mean preseason game, you getting a quarter.

1578
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 10: I mean maybe this week maybe dight play a half

1579
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 10: or something. But really, the the work is put in

1580
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 10: out here, conditioning yourself, uh, going as hard as as

1581
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 10: possibly for as long as possible to you out like

1582
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 10: sometime you might get for the seven reps at a time.

1583
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 10: It's like out here is where you really you know,

1584
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 10: the game is the game, Like everybody comes to life

1585
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:15,759
Speaker 10: underneath the lights and stuff like that. But like to

1586
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 10: to be able to come to life and play at

1587
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 10: a high level, you gotta first take care of business

1588
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 10: out here. It's not just a light switch you flipping.

1589
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 10: You gotta condition your body first, Yeah, so.

1590
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 4: Up to Boogie. It's just says it's confidence in terms

1591
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:27,879
Speaker 4: of his abilities.

1592
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 1: What are they?

1593
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 10: So when bu buog is going on year what three?

1594
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 4: Year three? So yeah, year three.

1595
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 10: Is is kind of that year, especially for me that

1596
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 10: I really hit my stride and you can see his

1597
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 10: body didn't change.

1598
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 4: His mindset then changed.

1599
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 10: Like you can really see like the the growth and

1600
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 10: uh and Bookie especially from when he was a rookie

1601
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 10: to now him and Greg Uh just because I they

1602
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 10: came in at the same time and I just had

1603
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 10: a chance to watch them, but they have really just

1604
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 10: come on real.

1605
01:19:56,479 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 11: Strong, like doing against the Irish storing too, like a rookie.

1606
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:03,799
Speaker 8: Pretty big duty.

1607
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 10: There, right, I don't know like any other guard I

1608
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 10: guess Uh.

1609
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,559
Speaker 4: He came in and he playing at a high level.

1610
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 10: Like it's not no like some of the rookies when

1611
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 10: they come in they it's a big drop off.

1612
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 4: Is not really a drop off. He kind of playing

1613
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 4: like a vet already.

1614
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 10: So that's good that he can pick it up and

1615
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 10: then transition to the game and the speed so quickly.

1616
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 9: We've heard a lot about Alton Kincaid's acclamation of the

1617
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 9: locker room. I would just seen o Cyrus kind of

1618
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 9: fit into the locker room at a spot.

1619
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 10: Oh sorry, kind of a quiet a guy. You don't

1620
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 10: really talk too much. Like he's just uh, he's just

1621
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 10: a typical rookie that didn't he was drafted high.

1622
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 4: He came in. He's playing. He doing good.

1623
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 10: Uh, every day he's been getting better, especially since like

1624
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 10: his first days.

1625
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 4: He's acclamating real good. Uh.

1626
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 10: The same thing with Dalton acclimating and every they he

1627
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 10: really good and uh, they just they just surprising, like

1628
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 10: how good they are, both of them.

1629
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 4: With Derman defense backball intense, I guess is a difference.

1630
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 10: Less is kind of olaid back, Sean kind of mo

1631
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 10: like you know, Ray raih to say that he not

1632
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:09,679
Speaker 10: really right.

1633
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:10,719
Speaker 4: Rah, he is more Rah.

1634
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 10: As a defensive coordinator, I like it, and uh him

1635
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 10: and Less I like both, but they bring different aspects

1636
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 10: as far as like their presence and stuff.

1637
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 1: So that's Ed Oliver comparing Leslie Frazier and Sean McDermott

1638
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 1: as defensive coordinators in terms of their disposition, how they

1639
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 1: handle their players. And he said Leslie's more laid back

1640
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 1: while Sewan is more raw rah, which I can see

1641
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 1: that there's Yeah, there's a natural game day intensity to

1642
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 1: coach McDermott. Heck, there's intensity on the practice field from

1643
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 1: him we saw today. I think that does put a

1644
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 1: little juice in some guys, guys like Ed Oliver for example.

1645
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll keep looking at it and talking about it

1646
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 3: because it's really the biggest difference in the Buffalo Bills

1647
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 3: from twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three.

1648
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 2: Yeah. Last year, all the talk is about the OC

1649
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 2: being new and Ken Dorsey.

1650
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:04,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think Sean McDermott calling the defense

1651
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 3: is the one thing that is the wild card as

1652
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,879
Speaker 3: to how good this defense is and the biggest difference

1653
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,640
Speaker 3: that this team is going to show, even to the

1654
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 3: casual fans. Forget about the guys who study film and

1655
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 3: you and I who watch them practice and all that stuff,

1656
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 3: all those I think just a casual fan is going

1657
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 3: to look at the two teams and I think the

1658
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 3: biggest difference will be the way the defense looks and

1659
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 3: feels on game day. You know, you know, I don't know,

1660
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 3: you're not going to be able to say, hey, well

1661
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 3: they know the percentages of pressure are more or less,

1662
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 3: or I think you're gonna be able to say, Wow,

1663
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 3: they're getting more turnovers while they look like they're getting

1664
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 3: more pressure, while they look more interge whatever, whatever, whatever.

1665
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 3: I think that's gonna be the biggest difference is Sean

1666
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:50,879
Speaker 3: mcdermot's being the defensive coordinator this year. That's the change

1667
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 3: that is the most intriguing about the whole kitten kaboodle.

1668
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:58,680
Speaker 1: Let's get back to our topic of discussion today. Offensive

1669
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: player that needs to show you more in preseason game

1670
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 1: number two, if you got an idea for it, eight

1671
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 1: oh three five point fifty one eight eight eight five

1672
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 1: fifty two five fifty But on the tweet sheet from

1673
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 1: Allen he says, back up center. If Mitch Morse goes down,

1674
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 1: we'll need a solid replacement who won't skip a beat. Yeah,

1675
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see who that is. You know,

1676
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: we know that Ryan Bates is a guy who's been

1677
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 1: cross training on the interior. There are other options as well,

1678
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 1: that coach Kromer has been cross training. You go out

1679
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 1: there at the beginning of practice, He've got five or

1680
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 1: six guys out there snapping footballs. He's trying to cross

1681
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 1: train as many guys as possible. You always want to

1682
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 1: have a disaster scenario option available to you. So it'll

1683
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 1: be very interesting to see how that plays out because

1684
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 1: the right guard competition I think is going to impact

1685
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 1: who's backing up Mitch Morse, knowing that Bates has been

1686
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 1: cross training there.

1687
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 2: So we'll see.

1688
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 1: I think, bottom line, right now, if Mitch Morse was

1689
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 1: to go down, in all likelihood, even if Bates is

1690
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 1: too is right in the starting lineup, I would think

1691
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 1: he'd be the most likely candidate to slide over. Uh

1692
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 1: And then you know Osiris Torrance would presumably come on

1693
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,639
Speaker 1: the field if he doesn't win the starting right card

1694
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 1: job at the end of camp.

1695
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 3: Here in the preseason, you got a couple a bunch

1696
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 3: of guys that are in the running for that. Ryan Bates, obviously,

1697
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 3: I think is the first center in after Moore if

1698
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 3: Morrise goes down. But then you've got like Mantz who

1699
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 3: could come in and and play that position. And we

1700
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:36,719
Speaker 3: were looking today it looks like also somebody like Alec

1701
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 3: Anderson could take snaps.

1702
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 2: They've had a whole bunch of guys.

1703
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 3: They've got a bunch of guys, They've they've had a

1704
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 3: ton of guys. That's one of the things that Aaron

1705
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 3: Aaron Kromer has really done well is to get guys

1706
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 3: to play different snaps. I mean, he's got all those

1707
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 3: guys moving around all over the joint.

1708
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 1: And.

1709
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 3: So I think they're gonna if you get into a

1710
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 3: game and the word thing happens where you get three

1711
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 3: offensive linemen that go down and your last five guys

1712
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 3: are on the field, he's gonna be Okay. You're still

1713
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 3: going to be able to finish the game.

1714
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 1: Nick on the tweets sheet says Andy Isabella, not that

1715
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 1: he didn't show a lot already, but if he can

1716
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 1: put another great preseason game together, he might go from

1717
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:21,679
Speaker 1: a possible depth piece returner to someone who can actually

1718
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 1: have a decent sized role in our offense. So yeah,

1719
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 1: I mean, he made some plays last week. If he

1720
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: backs it up with another good performance this week, he's

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01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 1: only helping himself because, as Steve mentioned, he has the

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01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 1: return ability and you've heard every single quarterback on this

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01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:46,719
Speaker 1: roster speak highly of him, and you heard Ken Dorsey

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01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:50,639
Speaker 1: speak highly of him today when he was asked about

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Speaker 1: him specifically. I'm gonna pull up his quote right now

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Speaker 1: on Isabella. This is what Ken Dorsey said in addressing

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01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 1: the media today. I'll tell you what, just kind of

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Speaker 1: go back to what I was saying. One of the

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Speaker 1: most impressive things with him is clearly his work ethic

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Speaker 1: and what he does not only from a physical standpoint,

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01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 1: but a mental standpoint, because he's come in and had

1732
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 1: very few mistakes.

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01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:12,879
Speaker 2: Mentally, he's in the right spots.

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Speaker 1: I think he's gained a lot of trust within the

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01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 1: quarterback room and has done a nice job. He's in practices,

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01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 1: like one of the first couple of days quarterbacks are

1737
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 1: making checks and he's on it.

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01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 2: He knows what to do.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's been the most impressive thing about

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01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 1: him is just how quickly he's come in and pick

1741
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,759
Speaker 1: things up. From a mental standpoint, obviously the physical traits

1742
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 1: you kind of see through the plays he's making throughout

1743
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Speaker 1: camp and throughout the preseason.

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Speaker 3: Coaches love guys who know what they're doing.

1745
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 1: Want to be able to trust your players out on

1746
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 1: the field, and if they know what they're doing, you

1747
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 1: trust him more.

1748
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Speaker 3: And I would agree, And from the tweet you just

1749
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:55,440
Speaker 3: said from Nick, Andy Isabella has emerged as a possibility

1750
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 3: and I know he's certainly he's got to keep it going.

1751
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:03,720
Speaker 3: But you had to have liked what you. I think

1752
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 3: they had to have liked what they've seen so far,

1753
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 3: both on the practice field, like Ken Dorsey said today,

1754
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 3: and also what we just every day everyday people fans

1755
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:15,640
Speaker 3: like us see in the games. Yep, we tend to

1756
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 3: get enamored with that. But obviously Ken Dorsey has said, hey,

1757
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 3: he's doing it in practice too.

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Speaker 1: Break time for us here, some final thoughts on the

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Speaker 1: tweet sheet when we return here on one Bill's Live

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Speaker 1: presented by Collide Health.

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Speaker 11: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

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Speaker 1: All right, some final thoughts on a tweet sheet In

1763
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: terms of an offensive player on the Bills roster you'd

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01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 1: like to see more from in the preseason game on

1765
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 1: Saturday against the Steelers in Pittsburgh, Bill says, if Damian

1766
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 1: Harris plays and need to see a good amount from him,

1767
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:01,400
Speaker 1: Latavius Murray even at thirty three, makes Harris rene justin shorter.

1768
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 1: Too many good depth wideouts already. Kyle Allen, why have

1769
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,679
Speaker 1: him as the backup? Barkley out plays him? Too expensive

1770
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 1: to be a significant downgrade from Mitch and case first

1771
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 1: on the quarterback step jet Ken Dorsey told the media

1772
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 1: today that Barkley and Allen graded out pretty comparably from

1773
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 1: last weekend's game, even though Barkley had superior traditional statistics.

1774
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:25,959
Speaker 1: They talked they look at decision making among other things.

1775
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 1: But what about Damian Harris Steve who did not get

1776
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 1: to play in the first preseason.

1777
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 2: Game due to a knee injury. Well, we'll see they

1778
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 2: were limited in practice.

1779
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, they won't forget about him. They'll give him a

1780
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 3: chance to, you know, come back, because he was He

1781
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 3: was I think ahead of Latavius before he got injured.

1782
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, lively on Saturday.

1783
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 3: Latavius Murray showed up, no question about it. But I

1784
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 3: think both those guys I think make the fifty three

1785
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 3: at this point. But I think there's no question James

1786
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 3: Cook is a lead dog at this at this moment

1787
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 3: in his career. But you're right, I think Murray does

1788
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 3: have to come out. I'd like to see something from

1789
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 3: him or Harris Harris, I'm sorry.

1790
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:05,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Justin Shorter.

1791
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 1: You know, he's in a thick battle on the back

1792
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 1: side of the depth chart at wide receiver. You know,

1793
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 1: he wants to make an impact this weekend, coming up

1794
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 1: after a lot of his cohorts.

1795
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 2: Did the same.

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Speaker 1: We're done for today, but we'll see you right back

1797
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 1: here tomorrow, after another day of Bill's practice.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you then