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Speaker 1: Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3: It's a very special occasion this edition of mix Shots.
Speaker 3: It's Wednesday inside the SWBC podcast studio. This is a
Speaker 3: special day because this is the day we honor Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 2: That is a corny version. It's unscripts.
Speaker 3: It took a kind of a Christmas.
Speaker 2: It's like a if you like to.
Speaker 4: See Yeah, that's definitely a teenager Chris, Chris, and I
Speaker 4: can't remember these days because his brother Rich it's his.
Speaker 3: Birthday in the scouting department, Rich department.
Speaker 4: And then when Christmas birthday is in January, it's the
Speaker 4: same day my sister's birthday. Oh wow, how about that?
Speaker 3: So you're all related? How about the how about the birthday?
Speaker 3: Looked that Vicky is throwing now I on with a
Speaker 3: black Cowboys vest on, black shirt.
Speaker 5: The song was a teenager's birthday song and his mom
Speaker 5: dressed him.
Speaker 6: I hate the funny thing about that whole situation, and
Speaker 6: we're all from Chicago.
Speaker 2: That's right. Wow, there what stuff? Might be the smallest
Speaker 2: person from Chicago.
Speaker 4: No, not quite like the city of Yes, but we
Speaker 4: have broad shoulders. Say anything about height, right.
Speaker 3: It's also the windy city in a lot of wind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 3: Not because of the atmospheric conditions. Why they call it
Speaker 3: the windows.
Speaker 4: And it was also the city that works too, by
Speaker 4: the way, their daily didn't put up with any city
Speaker 4: union strikes either.
Speaker 2: By you're just making up stuff. No, I'm not the
Speaker 2: city of whatever going to work.
Speaker 3: You're bringing your legal pad with you too, And look,
Speaker 3: you didn't bring his legal pad today on his birthday.
Speaker 3: He's got a note pad.
Speaker 4: Well, let's say I had ten forty five. I did
Speaker 4: a TV spot.
Speaker 3: That's why you have the tie on under ten fifty.
Speaker 4: I did another TV deal. Eleven o'clock was the locker room. Okay,
Speaker 4: eleven forty was the fan, and twelve o'clock was this.
Speaker 3: Don't you know what I do for a living?
Speaker 2: Yes, I haven't had a minute mouthpiece.
Speaker 4: You haven't had a minute's piece yet.
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of spinning going on this week,
Speaker 3: and so the Mike McCarthy press conference won't be until
Speaker 3: later today because it's a it's a short week after
Speaker 3: the Monday night game, playing on Sunday at noon in
Speaker 3: Charlotte against those Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 4: And the team didn't need to be here till noon
Speaker 4: today team meeting and then so.
Speaker 3: They opened up the locker room at eleven. Yes, that's
Speaker 3: strategic team reports at noon. Media could come in at eleven.
Speaker 4: I think I can count the guys that were in
Speaker 4: there talking to themselves, which is what they do anyway,
Speaker 4: passing through with maybe both hands right, twelve fingers, that's
Speaker 4: a bit. The guys that well, you know, that's how
Speaker 4: many people were in there, twelve twelve, two hands, twelve fingers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever, So nothing coming out of the nothing noteworthy
Speaker 3: coming out of the locker room.
Speaker 4: Yeah there was. I mean what, I don't know what
Speaker 4: more you could ask him, or what more they could say.
Speaker 4: Cavante Turpin talked for a little while and he was
Speaker 4: talking about, you know, going forward, and he goes, you know,
Speaker 4: he goes, uh, you know me, he goes, I'm just
Speaker 4: trying to win games and don't matter who I'm competing
Speaker 4: against her, you know what happened before. But I did
Speaker 4: get to ask him. I think, did I tell you
Speaker 4: yesterday that when he was lined up waiting for the
Speaker 4: punt to two minutes and that he was having this
Speaker 4: conversation sideline. I said, so, what was going on? Were
Speaker 4: they giving you a crap or something? And he goes, no,
Speaker 4: they were telling me to make a fair catch. He goes,
Speaker 4: they said, don't be returning this. You make a fair catch.
Speaker 4: And he said, you better kick it out of bounds
Speaker 4: because if I get my hands on the ball, I'm
Speaker 4: going to the house, just like that. So that was
Speaker 4: the conversation they were having during that two minute time out.
Speaker 4: I thought it was, and he was laughing about it.
Speaker 4: He goes one of the guys he goes, I know
Speaker 4: real well on the team, Britt. I don't know if
Speaker 4: it's the last name. He goes, we know each other.
Speaker 4: So he was giving me grief and I was telling
Speaker 4: you better not kick it to me.
Speaker 2: Let's look, let's think about this.
Speaker 5: We have two extremely well really three dynamic players on
Speaker 5: special teams and Ken kick his butt off, right, We've
Speaker 5: got a field goal kicking, we've got turk and the deep.
Speaker 4: Snapper is not all that bad.
Speaker 2: And don't forget Nick vigil Okay, well, Nick Vigils.
Speaker 4: So let's get into this because we got a chance
Speaker 4: to talk to Fossil.
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go, that's why I was hitted.
Speaker 4: And so he pointed out that they had a return on.
Speaker 4: It wasn't a punt block, it was a return. And
Speaker 4: what they do for the return is you they call
Speaker 4: it a vice. So you got two guys holding up
Speaker 4: the gunner to the west.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you can tell that the return is on.
Speaker 3: Now when you're watching football at the snap, if you
Speaker 3: see two guys on the gunner, then the returns on.
Speaker 4: And they wanted to go to that side to the
Speaker 4: Cowboys left. So Oi was one of the guys in
Speaker 4: the vice.
Speaker 3: So if they didn't have the return on, he would
Speaker 3: not have been there.
Speaker 4: Right basically, uh and and so what what you have
Speaker 4: to do is the guys to the right are all gonna,
Speaker 4: you know, at the snap, take care of their guys
Speaker 4: and then peel back to block the guy that it
Speaker 4: was in vigil spot is supposed to be the whole,
Speaker 4: not the hold up guy. But make sure there's no
Speaker 4: fake going on. And so he's supposed to sit there,
Speaker 4: and what happened was he had wherewithal that the guy
Speaker 4: next that was in front of him didn't block him,
Speaker 4: and he was like, oh, I'm going to go and
Speaker 4: see what happened. Right, he had a free run.
Speaker 5: Because to notice that and then rush and still block
Speaker 5: it right that he really.
Speaker 4: Perfect technique and not hit the punter. So it was
Speaker 4: it was all perfect right until it all bounces. Turpin said,
Speaker 4: I was yelling, Peter means, get the hell out of
Speaker 4: the way, right, he goes, I'm sure he couldn't hear
Speaker 4: me because of the punt block. Everybody's roaring, right, and
Speaker 4: there's a lot of noise, and you know, and.
Speaker 3: You're involved in the double team exactly right, and you're
Speaker 3: the ball he and Fossil said.
Speaker 4: He said he didn't see the ball block, so he
Speaker 4: saw the ball coming at him and and.
Speaker 2: What do we do?
Speaker 4: Right and so but so Fossil goes through this whole thing,
Speaker 4: and then he gets asked a question about, well, this
Speaker 4: has been a weird year because you guys on special
Speaker 4: teams have made like three mistakes. That's where I was
Speaker 4: hitted and and when I heard the question, I kind
Speaker 4: of right retracted and I'm going, well, I don't know
Speaker 4: if there are three mistakes, and Fossil, being the nice
Speaker 4: guy he is, he goes, well, if you want to
Speaker 4: blame somebody, blame me. I'm the coach, right uh, And
Speaker 4: I'm going okay, mistake is a pretty harsh word to use.
Speaker 4: And we got done. Somebody was walking by when I
Speaker 4: went upstairs, and I said, this is one of the
Speaker 4: those days. I still wish Parcels was here because if
Speaker 4: he had gotten that question, he would have said, what
Speaker 4: the blah blah blah are you talking about? And he
Speaker 4: would have given him grief. But these guys, and I
Speaker 4: told Fossil, I said, you were too nice. I said,
Speaker 4: good thing. It wasn't me because I would have reacted.
Speaker 4: I don't know that you call it a mistake. And
Speaker 4: he had the best line ever. He was talking about
Speaker 4: the difficulties on special teams. You can't practice everything. You
Speaker 4: can talk about stuff and everything, but you can't practice
Speaker 4: it right. And he said, so the bottom line is,
Speaker 4: don't let your babies grow up to be special teams players.
Speaker 3: How perfect, how perfect?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: And that's kind of the bottom line because there's so
Speaker 4: many factors that go into every player as a player.
Speaker 5: And I'm not dumping anything on Fossil at all as
Speaker 5: a coach to his players. You gotta let him know
Speaker 5: the rules first, and you operate within that right, which
Speaker 5: is still in this particular situation, meaning, oh, did I
Speaker 5: say his name?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: That's my first time ever saying it. Uh, he didn't.
Speaker 5: That was just one of those situations. Now, if you're
Speaker 5: talking about the fake punts and things of that nature,
Speaker 5: that's not luck.
Speaker 2: That's just bad execution.
Speaker 4: Right, or you got sucked into one, right, right, right?
Speaker 4: So so so somebody asked him, He goes, well, this
Speaker 4: happened a couple of years ago with Makuamu, right. They
Speaker 4: was it a block punt that he grabbed and then
Speaker 4: he fumbled it away and then the Leon Lett thing, right, Okay,
Speaker 4: Leon's thing was totally different. No, that's not that's he
Speaker 4: didn't know the rules, right, and he's going to do
Speaker 4: something he didn't to do.
Speaker 2: Coach wasn't even here. Coach Fossil wasn't.
Speaker 4: Here, right, So they asked him.
Speaker 2: So now they went back.
Speaker 4: He was asked, so, after the Macarmick thing, do you
Speaker 4: talk to the team about that stuff? And he goes, yeah,
Speaker 4: we you know, we pointed out and everything, and I'm
Speaker 4: going a worryer wasn't here, then he wouldn't have heard
Speaker 4: that speech after that happened. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 4: he just got here, so they wouldn't have been before
Speaker 4: the game. Now, if we block a punt, don't touch.
Speaker 5: It, well, I think he knew that right away. I
Speaker 5: think he already knew that. Yes, But once again, it
Speaker 5: was just a situation. You weren't expecting a block, you
Speaker 5: were expecting a return.
Speaker 4: And he didn't know it was You didn't hear anything,
Speaker 4: no idea, anything, His back was to all the actions.
Speaker 5: So in that case, totally a missa, just your bad circumstances.
Speaker 5: You just in a bad, bad situation that you couldn't
Speaker 5: really anticipate. But once again, when you start talking about.
Speaker 4: The bad calls, if the calls are bad, yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: it's a bad call. I don't know that it's a mistake.
Speaker 4: It's just a bad call because how many how many
Speaker 4: times in offensive coordinator calls to play and it doesn't work.
Speaker 4: Is it a mistake or is it a bad call?
Speaker 5: It's different with special team is yeah, it's different special
Speaker 5: team because you know.
Speaker 4: You only got so many opportunities.
Speaker 5: So I wouldn't I think what the reason I brought
Speaker 5: it up was because we're looking at really the strength
Speaker 5: of our team, that just ironically happens to be the
Speaker 5: part of it that we lost in the most critical situation.
Speaker 4: I mean, he could have thought it was a fumble.
Speaker 5: Yeah, stuff, it's the guy could have tried to run
Speaker 5: the ball. As far as he's concerned. The guy could
Speaker 5: have tried to run the ball, right, So you know this,
Speaker 5: This is still the strength of our team as far
Speaker 5: as I'm concerned. It's just so ironic that that would
Speaker 5: be the one that yeah, man.
Speaker 3: Because think about it. How many times do you see
Speaker 3: a punt, whether it's partially blocked or off the side
Speaker 3: of a foot. How many times in the NFL does
Speaker 3: a does a pump wind up in the in the
Speaker 3: area that that one was going forward?
Speaker 5: It was no more than ten yards, I believe from
Speaker 5: the line of I mean rarely, no, was it was further.
Speaker 4: Down well, they were at twenty nine from the twenty right,
Speaker 4: and it bounced at about the thirty eight Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: twenty yards twenty some yards.
Speaker 3: I mean it's just rare. So it flashes through your mind.
Speaker 3: I don't know, anything flashes through your mind. You're just
Speaker 3: the balls there.
Speaker 5: It's there, and it's coming at me, right, that's all
Speaker 5: he knows. Hey, the ball's coming at me. Now, No, Peter,
Speaker 5: no man, I'm not Peter.
Speaker 3: Come on, and you don't know where that ball's how
Speaker 3: that ball is going to bounce when it bounced, it
Speaker 3: could bounce and hit you in the foot.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: His only, his only, if you're going to criticize anything,
Speaker 5: is that he has no hands.
Speaker 2: That he thought he was hit.
Speaker 3: By fielding it.
Speaker 4: It's why he's a cornerback, right, not a wide receiver.
Speaker 3: But it could just as easily have if he lays
Speaker 3: off it. It could have bounced and kicked right into
Speaker 3: his foot.
Speaker 4: Or it could have hit somebody else. Now, the best
Speaker 4: thing would have ben if it would have hit one
Speaker 4: of the Bengals, and then it's a dead balls.
Speaker 3: And then you can pick it up and run with
Speaker 3: it right and try to score and it doesn't matter
Speaker 3: what happens after that. If it's a negative for the
Speaker 3: return team, it goes back to where the punt team
Speaker 3: touched it.
Speaker 5: I think they I think on TV they went back
Speaker 5: to like three different instances where we that happened to
Speaker 5: us before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, at least two, at least the Macomo and
Speaker 4: then Leon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it was another one there was.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, no I said, I said Macomo na shon right,
Speaker 4: I spoke against Denver. Yeah right, he tried to pick
Speaker 4: it up and run I think or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, so it was uh, yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It was quite a little.
Speaker 4: But he gave well the other thing way by play
Speaker 4: of the play on the call and what everybody was
Speaker 4: supposed to do, and and then it was well, you know,
Speaker 4: did you have to talk to Jerry? And he goes, well, yeah,
Speaker 4: I talked to Jerry all the time, and he asked
Speaker 4: good questions because after the game, Jerry was like, well,
Speaker 4: I'm not sure why we had a punt block on Well,
Speaker 4: everybody heard that, but he didn't hear. They didn't hear
Speaker 4: what he said on the fan the next morning after
Speaker 4: he found out what happened and what the call was,
Speaker 4: and he basically said, well, he goes, after talking to everybody,
Speaker 4: he goes it wasn't a punt block.
Speaker 3: So that's why the reporters were asking Fossil about talking
Speaker 3: with Jerry. Yes, And so what they're getting at is
Speaker 3: how okay, so how often does that happen. Did you
Speaker 3: get scolded, you get sent to the principal's.
Speaker 2: Office, did you talk to That's crazy.
Speaker 7: Right, But that's why the question, that's why the question
Speaker 7: was asked. You said, but we shout by the top
Speaker 7: of my head coach.
Speaker 4: His initial answer, his initial answer was, well, yeah, he's
Speaker 4: the GM. He asked good questions.
Speaker 3: That's what Macarthy said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Macarthy, Yeah, I saw that. I saw that man.
Speaker 4: So anyway, protocol and once again, this team can't just
Speaker 4: lose a game. There's got to be a reason, right,
Speaker 4: or somebody's fault.
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Speaker 4: They didn't charge me last Friday night.
Speaker 3: Last Friday night, you went a high school game.
Speaker 4: Oh but that takes place right before.
Speaker 3: Did you see Santas?
Speaker 4: He was gone by time?
Speaker 3: I think the.
Speaker 11: Next Oh, okay, you're ahead of Okay, what else you
Speaker 11: got might be?
Speaker 3: There might be another high school game there. We're under
Speaker 3: the straight semi finals.
Speaker 4: Highland Park.
Speaker 3: It's like Highland Park's home field. I wonder why that
Speaker 3: is h Hyland Park's playing Denton Ryan. Yes, yeah, yes,
Speaker 3: our guys playing South Oak Cliff the five A and
Speaker 3: you've got well the big one. The big one is
Speaker 3: Duncanville in North Crowley South Lake. Carrol's playing long View
Speaker 3: and that wraps up the five A and six. Soto
Speaker 3: got beat by long View.
Speaker 4: Damn. Yeah, that's my mom's hometown, got beat back to.
Speaker 2: That's what my people are from Parkway twenty.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, I've seen the sign.
Speaker 3: They're playing at s m U on Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 2: Long View.
Speaker 3: It's like CARROLLNS fifty to fourteen. What Yeah, Desota lost
Speaker 3: their running back in the first half of that game.
Speaker 4: So there's two games at SMU.
Speaker 3: There's one on Friday night is Argyle in South Olk.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'd go to that, but getting to SMU
Speaker 4: on a Friday it's really hard.
Speaker 2: Park.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the park the Duncanville North Crowley game is
Speaker 3: at Allan Eagles Stadium Saturday talking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, much easier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a bigger stadium. Yeah, I'm kidding, but
Speaker 3: so close. It's high school.
Speaker 4: It's the weekend of the state champion next week. It's
Speaker 4: next week.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: So we're home and we are home, and former Texas
Speaker 3: high school football state champion Baker Mayfield and the Tampa
Speaker 3: Bay Buccaneers will be here probably about I think he
Speaker 3: was at Lake Travis and he probably is probably twenty
Speaker 3: eleven or so, so it's like thirteen years after he
Speaker 3: won a state championship in that stadium to be playing
Speaker 3: the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: So I got to plan my schedule watching first round
Speaker 4: of the college and.
Speaker 3: Then okay, we get you up to speed on what
Speaker 3: what is meaningful to watch?
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: I got to give my schedule College football Playoff. It's amazing.
Speaker 3: I've got this off the top of my head. All right,
Speaker 3: College football Playoff starts a week from Friday, and that
Speaker 3: is the Indiana Notre Dame game at Friday.
Speaker 4: Night game okay, Okay, Then.
Speaker 3: The triple header on Saturday, the twenty first starts at
Speaker 3: eleven am with SMU at Penn State. Three o'clock is
Speaker 3: Clemson at Texas, and the night game is Tennessee at
Speaker 3: Ohio State.
Speaker 4: Okay, and then the Cowboys play.
Speaker 3: And the Cowboys will play Sunday night against Tampa Bay
Speaker 3: that week, and then the next round they have the
Speaker 3: College Playoff. They go, they advance to New Year's even
Speaker 3: New Year's Day for the quarterfinals.
Speaker 2: And then all of the TNT stadium.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, the quarterfinals. All right, Bowl games like
Speaker 3: Oregon is playing in the Rows Bowl and Boise's going
Speaker 3: to the Fiesta.
Speaker 4: It's a mid week game.
Speaker 3: Tuesday's Tuesday, I mean the traditional bowl games that are
Speaker 3: played on New Year's and New Year's Day. And then
Speaker 3: fast forward to the semifinals.
Speaker 4: That was my next question.
Speaker 3: The semifinals. One of the semifinal games will be played
Speaker 3: in Arlington at the Cotton Bowl.
Speaker 4: And what first weekend and.
Speaker 3: That is like January tenth or so. That's so that's
Speaker 3: when the Cotton Bowl game will be played this year.
Speaker 5: So we got nothing in College this weekend in regards
Speaker 5: to the.
Speaker 3: Army Navy game and the Heisman Trophy it will be presented.
Speaker 3: And that's news as well. Flat Howboys fans looking ahead
Speaker 3: to the draft. Your finalists for the Heisman Trophy, which
Speaker 3: will be presented on Saturday night. Moore, Guys, You've got
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter, the combo corner receiver from Colorado, who's the favorite,
Speaker 3: although close to him is Ashton Genty, the running back
Speaker 3: from Boise State, who's from right here down the road
Speaker 3: at Frisco Lone Star Heights Schami and Miami quarterback the Award,
Speaker 3: and the Oregon quarterback Dylan Gabriel. Finalists probably coming down
Speaker 3: to Hunter or Genty, and most give Hunter the edge,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I do too. Yeah, I really like he's
Speaker 3: not getting the same kind of buzz he is not
Speaker 3: the others are.
Speaker 2: Well, he lost that last game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but Colorado lost, so yeah, but that's totally different.
Speaker 3: And Genty and Boise's only lost West Oregon by three points, right,
Speaker 3: and Dylan Gabriel quarterback. Oregon are the only unbeaten team
Speaker 3: in the country.
Speaker 5: So you were talking about the intellect of one of the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another thing we got to point out is
Speaker 3: the Campbell Trophy was presented this morning by the National
Speaker 3: Football Foundation, and the winner of the Campbell Trophy, which
Speaker 3: is the academic Heisman, which went, I start my big
Speaker 3: green notebook on the draft. This is a big entry
Speaker 3: right now, and it's the Alabama quarterback Jalen Milroe wins
Speaker 3: the Campbell Trophy, the academic Heisman.
Speaker 4: And that was last night, right, it may have been
Speaker 4: last night in Vegas.
Speaker 5: I think I thought the Travis Hunter was four point zero. Well,
Speaker 5: I don't know, that's what That's what I heard it was.
Speaker 5: He's also very okay, man, so I thought maybe he
Speaker 5: would win that since they don't want him to win
Speaker 5: the Jim Thorpe Award.
Speaker 2: He can't, right, does not? I don't know, man.
Speaker 5: That's we gotta talk, dude. We gotta talk about this.
Speaker 5: This is your this is your purview right here. How
Speaker 5: does how does Travis Hunter not end up with the
Speaker 5: at least being a final consider for the Jim Thorpe Award.
Speaker 3: Which goes to the top defensive back in the country.
Speaker 4: Right, They're just not giving him credit, boys.
Speaker 3: Right, he had a chance to win the Thorpe Award
Speaker 3: and the Bullet and the horning for the most versatile
Speaker 3: player and just give them all to it.
Speaker 4: Well, it's like the NFL. So you got somebody that's
Speaker 4: going to be the nf AFC NFC Offensive Player of
Speaker 4: the Year, but they're not going to be the NFL
Speaker 4: Player of the.
Speaker 2: Year, right, crazy man, you celebrate, don't get both.
Speaker 5: This is a unique moment in college it is, and
Speaker 5: for them not to acknowledge that that just makes no
Speaker 5: sense to me. It's like, now, we we just choose
Speaker 5: to do this of our own volition. We don't feel
Speaker 5: like giving, we don't feel like it. We just don't
Speaker 5: feel like it. So no one's had to answer for that.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's I don't know if you know.
Speaker 2: You media guys can be such what sometimes.
Speaker 4: Man, you're with us.
Speaker 5: You know, I still think about you back when they're
Speaker 5: trying to go and ask the referees questions after the
Speaker 5: game and they punk you guys with cigarette smoking all
Speaker 5: that might as well.
Speaker 3: By the way, the award winners will be announced tomorrow night.
Speaker 3: Thursday night is when they have the for all the awards,
Speaker 3: for all the awards outside of the Heisman. The Heisman Saturday.
Speaker 4: Night, when they do it tomorrow night. So Thursday night
Speaker 4: football and awards.
Speaker 3: Yeah, on Thursday night football is Rams.
Speaker 2: Yeah big, that's big too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, forty nine ers. You're battling trying to stay in it.
Speaker 2: Boy, Matthew is still hanging in there. Boy. Yeah.
Speaker 3: How about that game that that Bill's Rams game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was thinking that game was long over, and
Speaker 4: then I caught back up on it.
Speaker 2: And saw what the score was.
Speaker 4: And it was like, are you kidding me? They came
Speaker 4: back like that?
Speaker 5: You think Josh is going to keep passing the ball
Speaker 5: like that? He's gonna I'm running this thing.
Speaker 3: He had combined six touchdowns, three passing and three rushing.
Speaker 3: It's only happened one other time in the history of
Speaker 3: professional football, or at least the NFL.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 6: And by the way, Travis Hunter was not a finalist
Speaker 6: for the Campbell. He did not have a four point
Speaker 6: zero Just letting you know.
Speaker 2: Okay, what did they say, do they have any They.
Speaker 6: Have all the ones that were nominated and only two
Speaker 6: of them had four o's.
Speaker 3: Can you run down that list?
Speaker 6: It's about fifteen.
Speaker 3: I thought I thought it was more like one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty.
Speaker 4: Now the finalist, it's not like the seniors.
Speaker 3: Like one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 6: It is funny looking at because it has their their
Speaker 6: GPA and their their their their actual like their degree
Speaker 6: or their their major major. Uh jam and Melrose was management. Okay,
Speaker 6: being a quarterback, that doesn't shock me so much. I
Speaker 6: do think a couple of them on here was Luke Lehman,
Speaker 6: quarterback from North Central Illinois. He's a three seven six.
Speaker 6: His major's exercise science.
Speaker 2: That's just interesting.
Speaker 4: Physiology.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6: The quarterback for South Dakota State is mechanical engineering. He
Speaker 6: has a three seven six.
Speaker 4: That's that's not easy either.
Speaker 2: And so you don't have you don't even have Hunter
Speaker 2: on there.
Speaker 6: He is not as a finalist. Would you like a
Speaker 6: two hundred four semi finalists? I'm going to go through.
Speaker 3: That's what I was alluding to. I wanted you to
Speaker 3: read off the two hundred and four sim final all right,
Speaker 3: how about this? Oh, this is interesting Past winners of
Speaker 3: the Campbell Trophy Academic Heisman. Last year's winner, Bo Nicks,
Speaker 3: quarterback Oregon. Okay, you see why I had him listed
Speaker 3: as one of the quarterbacks that I was really intrigued
Speaker 3: by because he was the academic Heisman.
Speaker 2: Well, he's getting a lot of a lot of games.
Speaker 3: The year before twenty twenty two, Iowa linebacker Jack Campbell,
Speaker 3: Detroit Lions first round draft pick. Charlie Kohlar tied end
Speaker 3: from Iowa State, who's playing pretty well for the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 3: Right now, go back to twenty nineteen Oregon quarterback. Oh,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Oregon quarterback. Oh got Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert
Speaker 3: wanted in twenty nineteen. Twenty eighteen Clemson defensive tackle Christian Wilkins,
Speaker 3: about that. He's turned that into quite a contract. He's
Speaker 3: with the Raiders now, but he signed a one hundred
Speaker 3: million dollar contract after excelling with the Dolphins. Let's see,
Speaker 3: and we go on back to Emmanuel Occhio's brothers. Sam
Speaker 3: Ocho wanted in twenty ten.
Speaker 2: Is he from here? Yes?
Speaker 3: Saint Mark's High School in Dallas And two thousand and
Speaker 3: nine Tim Tebow won it and Chad Pennington won it.
Speaker 3: Once upon a Time nineteen ninety seven, a guy by
Speaker 3: the name of Peyton Man want. So there's trip down
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Speaker 4: I don't know if the Iowa State defensive tackle was
Speaker 4: on that list that I told you about yesterday Dominica Orange.
Speaker 4: Mm hm, big Citrus, Big Citrus. I just had to
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Speaker 3: You were talking about that, the big championship game you're watching.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, anything else you want to add in
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Speaker 4: A couple of things for in the next one.
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Speaker 11: And so have you ever thought about being Santa Claus?
Speaker 3: What you said when you came in here? You came
Speaker 3: in here and you wish you Ma happy birthday? You
Speaker 3: said something else?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he told us all the white guys, then go
Speaker 5: to Jacksonville State.
Speaker 3: You got a reverence to Jacksonville State.
Speaker 4: I just picked a good team. I know they were
Speaker 4: in the playoffs and they won.
Speaker 3: They blow him out right kick dass one in the
Speaker 3: Conference USA Championship. If we had a sixteen team playoff,
Speaker 3: they would be playing Oregon in the first Conference The USA.
Speaker 4: Doesn't be in Florida because it's because of Jacksonvilleville.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's Jacksonville University. It's in Jacksonville, Florida.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But still the artist Gilmore went there. No, I'm going
Speaker 3: to look it up.
Speaker 2: I think so. I thought.
Speaker 4: I think he's right.
Speaker 2: I know he's from Jacksonville. Period. He's from the from
Speaker 2: the city of Jacksonville, Florida.
Speaker 3: But he may not.
Speaker 2: No, No, I should have bet you up into that one.
Speaker 5: I thought the Skillmore was some of Jacksonville.
Speaker 2: It means real cool.
Speaker 3: He Okay, you want bet?
Speaker 4: How old is he? How old is he?
Speaker 2: Okay, let's bet Jacksonville from Jacksonville.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, But I'm saying he went to Jacksonville University.
Speaker 2: Said Jacksonville State.
Speaker 3: No, No, Jacksville, say, I'm saying Jacksonville in Florida.
Speaker 5: Oh No, I know he's from Jacksonville in Florida, that
Speaker 5: I do know.
Speaker 3: No, he went to high school in Dothan, Alabama.
Speaker 2: Oh damn.
Speaker 3: He went to Gardner Webb and then Jacksonville in Alabama. No,
Speaker 3: Jacksonville Dolphins in Florida, in Florida.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, that's right there you go.
Speaker 4: Well I thought Jacksonville.
Speaker 2: Okay, Jacksonville State is in Alabama.
Speaker 3: Alabama, and Jasonville University is in Jacksonville, Florida.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jacksonville.
Speaker 2: So I thought he was from Jacksonville.
Speaker 3: Well, he went to high school in Alabama, but he
Speaker 3: was born in Florida.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's I talked to him and he blags on
Speaker 5: Jacksonville all the time.
Speaker 3: So he was in the transfer portal. Yeah, something was
Speaker 3: going on. He moved to Dothan, Alabama.
Speaker 2: He bags on being from Jacksonville all the time.
Speaker 4: What air did he switch schools? Like when did Yeah,
Speaker 4: there have to be something going on with that, that's
Speaker 4: what iah. It was the seventies, right.
Speaker 3: Well, he was born in Jacksonville, you, mickey, he's seventy five.
Speaker 4: Okay, he's older now. Okay, but see when he went
Speaker 4: to college, maybe he couldn't get in in certain spots.
Speaker 3: So nineteen sixty seven he went to Gardner Webb and
Speaker 3: then sixty nine to seventy one Jacksonville.
Speaker 2: See, yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 3: I love artist Gilboy.
Speaker 4: Well that was cool nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 3: You said Jackson nineteen graduated in seventy one.
Speaker 4: So think about it. Yeah, Bold Miss wasn't integrating till
Speaker 4: it might have been seventy one, seventy two. There you go,
Speaker 4: think about it.
Speaker 3: Okay, here you go. When public schools were integrated, he
Speaker 3: attended Chipley High School for Okay, Okay, he went, I
Speaker 3: get Okay. When public schools were integrated, he attended Chipley
Speaker 3: High School for one week before leaving home to attend
Speaker 3: Carver High School in Dulton, Alabama.
Speaker 2: There you go, because they integrated.
Speaker 3: And that's located down south in Alabama, just well, thirty
Speaker 3: five miles north of Chipley Ford. Not not to open.
Speaker 2: Up, let's just cut all of that with the same pen,
Speaker 2: whole position.
Speaker 3: Would the artist Gilmour have played in the NFL at
Speaker 3: seven feet two inches tall?
Speaker 4: Defense too tall Jones? Or tight end to one other? Two? Uh?
Speaker 4: Not to open up this can of worms. But why
Speaker 4: do you think Walter Payton went to Jackson State Integration?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that.
Speaker 4: Did a story on him. Eighty five Super Bowl. Me
Speaker 4: and my college roommate, who was working in Atlanta at
Speaker 4: that time, went to Columbia Mississippi, where he was from,
Speaker 4: and we were going to just see if it was
Speaker 4: a big deal in Columbia that Walter Peyton was in
Speaker 4: the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I mean in the
Speaker 4: Super Bowl right down the road in New Orleans. So
Speaker 4: we went around and we saw some people talking about
Speaker 4: him and they had signs up, and then we went
Speaker 4: to the school. Well, we go to the school and
Speaker 4: it's it's four o'clock, schools out, and we're driving in
Speaker 4: the parking lot and we see this guy come walking
Speaker 4: out and he goes, what your boys doing here? And
Speaker 4: it's like, well, you know, we were doing this on
Speaker 4: Walter Peyton. And he goes, well, this is your lucky day.
Speaker 4: I was his high school football coach. Last name was Boston.
Speaker 4: The first name is skipping me, but it was Ralph Boston,
Speaker 4: the long jumper Olympics. Yeah, that was his brother.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: All right, So we started talking to him about Walter
Speaker 4: and he started telling us the Charles Boston thank you,
Speaker 4: started telling us the stories about the schools integrated Walter's
Speaker 4: sophomore or junior year, and they couldn't decide who was
Speaker 4: going to be the head coach. The white school head
Speaker 4: coach or the black him. And so they decided they
Speaker 4: would be co head coaches. And the integration part in
Speaker 4: that time was very difficult. And so they played the
Speaker 4: first game and I don't know if the story got
Speaker 4: exaggerator or what, but the first time Walter touched the ball,
Speaker 4: he runs seventy yards for a touchdown. He must have
Speaker 4: scored three touchdowns in the game, right, And all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, mister Boston says, it didn't matter what color
Speaker 4: you were, as long as you were winning the game.
Speaker 4: And he goes, and Walter did more for integration in
Speaker 4: this city than any other person. It was one of
Speaker 4: those weird things. He had to go home, he said,
Speaker 4: oh you know.
Speaker 3: He started talking.
Speaker 4: He goes, I got so much to tell you, but
Speaker 4: mom was waiting for me for dinner. Right, He goes,
Speaker 4: why don't you boys come over to the house. We
Speaker 4: go to the house, sit on the porch. She brings
Speaker 4: out iced tea, and we must have talked another hour.
Speaker 4: It was like the most fortunate thing might have happened
Speaker 4: to me in my writing career. Right, and he's sitting
Speaker 4: on the porch and he goes, yeah, you see that
Speaker 4: field out there, Well, that's where I saw Walter playing
Speaker 4: junior high and he goes, he didn't want to play
Speaker 4: football because he was in the band. And if he
Speaker 4: was in the band, he could. They said he couldn't
Speaker 4: play football because you have to march at halftime. And
Speaker 4: he goes, well, I took care of that. He goes,
Speaker 4: he can do both and march with his uniform, right,
Speaker 4: And he says, and you see the store across the street,
Speaker 4: that's where all the kids went and bought their candy
Speaker 4: right there, and it was it was, it was phenomenal. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 4: And let me get this in, so let.
Speaker 3: Me before you do that. Yes, all right, on this
Speaker 3: to go Walter Peyton. You know the two Pro Football
Speaker 3: Hall of famers that played with Walter Peyton at Jackson State.
Speaker 3: At Jackson State Okay Brazil, Yeah, Robert Brazil and the
Speaker 3: other Jackie Slater. Oh wow, Okay.
Speaker 2: Go ahead.
Speaker 4: And that's where they had no other choice. Right at
Speaker 4: that time, Switzer couldn't recruit everybody, yeah, or or Duffy
Speaker 4: Doherty at Michigan State because I made that mistake. I
Speaker 4: interviewed some guy from a little small town in Mississippi,
Speaker 4: and uh, he ended up being an NFL star and
Speaker 4: he went to Michigan State and I'm talking in high school.
Speaker 4: He was so good, big guy too. And I go,
Speaker 4: so you mean Mississippi, Oh, miss Mississippi State Southern didn't
Speaker 4: recruit you. And he looked at me and where are
Speaker 4: you from? Boy? And I said, I said Chicago. And
Speaker 4: then I knew what was coming. He goes, those opportunities
Speaker 4: weren't a y old for men like me. Right, So
Speaker 4: Duffy Doherty was recruiting Mississippi to get all these great
Speaker 4: athletes at Michigan State.
Speaker 3: At that time, it just occurred to me, you know,
Speaker 3: Barry Switcher's greatest accomplishment might have been breaking the color barrier. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt about it. There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 4: I mean it was real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was, My.
Speaker 5: Dad and I were Oklahoma fans because Texas wasn't signing
Speaker 5: any black players. And so that's how I'm still owe
Speaker 5: you to this day, just simply because of that. I'm
Speaker 5: talking about going back when I was nine years old.
Speaker 4: I mean, we took it for granted. It didn't dawn
Speaker 4: on me, right, and it's like you gotta.
Speaker 2: Get but some love too. Wilklson. Yeah, yeah, gotta get
Speaker 2: but some love on that.
Speaker 4: And then Bear Bryant came around, right.
Speaker 3: And Chuck Fairbanks was the head coach when Switzer was
Speaker 3: the assistant, right, so, and guys like Greg Pruett came
Speaker 3: in and.
Speaker 4: So, okay, anyway, well we got off topic here. Let's
Speaker 4: clear this up. And so I don't know that I've
Speaker 4: seen so many people have an injury have such a
Speaker 4: profound effect on this injury to Demarvian overshown everybody talking
Speaker 4: about it or whatever. So they asked Mike Zimmer during
Speaker 4: his press conference yesterday about Demarvian and he went on
Speaker 4: about him and everything, and then somebody said, so, does
Speaker 4: he remind you of any player you've had that just
Speaker 4: had that kind of impact, right, And he kind of
Speaker 4: hemmed and hard and he goes, you know, he goes
Speaker 4: Darren Woodson, and I'm going, Okay, that's a high compliment.
Speaker 4: We're talking a ring of honor, a member who should
Speaker 4: be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: I'd say that's as close a comparison.
Speaker 4: And I was thinking about it, and it reminded me
Speaker 4: of this story about Woody. He got here from Arizona
Speaker 4: State as a high bred linebacker, and Jimmy wasn't sure
Speaker 4: what to do with him, like if he was ready
Speaker 4: to make the transition to safety. And Campbell was the
Speaker 4: one that basically scouted him at Arizona State and put
Speaker 4: in the word that we can use this guy. So
Speaker 4: they draft him in the second round and they're going
Speaker 4: to convert him to safety, but they wouldn't sure if
Speaker 4: he was ready. So basically he spent his rookie year
Speaker 4: playing special teams. Then the second year, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 4: this guy's pretty darn good. You're our safety. Not only
Speaker 4: the safety, he was the slot corner on the nickel
Speaker 4: though in his second third, maybe not his second year
Speaker 4: when he first started, but eventually right. And so I
Speaker 4: remember ninety three when he started and he was having
Speaker 4: a great year. I was talking with Jimmy and I
Speaker 4: I was asking him about Darren Woodson, and he goes,
Speaker 4: might have been my biggest personnel mistake ever. He goes,
Speaker 4: I didn't think he was ready to play safety in
Speaker 4: the NFL. He was more than ready, and I wasted
Speaker 4: him on special teams. And that's how Goodwoody is. And
Speaker 4: to compare Overshown with wood he is pretty high praise
Speaker 4: and think he's only played thirteen NFL games. He's been
Speaker 4: awfully good and everybody wants to talk about him. Parsons
Speaker 4: tearing up talking about the injury. It's a tough injury
Speaker 4: to come back from, and we talked about it kind
Speaker 4: of briefly yesterday, but eventually it came out that he
Speaker 4: tore every cl you have in your knees alphabet. Now,
Speaker 4: I was told that the fortunate thing, if there's a
Speaker 4: fortunate thing and a bad injury like that, is he
Speaker 4: didn't damage his meniscus, and as we know, that's not
Speaker 4: something they can replace. They can try and regenerate it,
Speaker 4: but they can't replace it. But he didn't tear that
Speaker 4: and it didn't sound like he suffered nerve damage either.
Speaker 4: So it's a long rehab. I mean, he may miss
Speaker 4: next year, but you know, I've heard that still got
Speaker 4: a smile on his face, and it's like, okay, we
Speaker 4: got to get started. Let's go.
Speaker 5: You know, his just the dynamic way that he plays,
Speaker 5: his just a burst of athleticism on the plays, especially
Speaker 5: that he makes that make a difference. He reminds me
Speaker 5: a lot of Michael. He really does the way he's
Speaker 5: able to close the gets yes, that's what I'm talking about,
Speaker 5: to where it puts more pressure. It's like the offender
Speaker 5: he's not aware of just what's coming and how fast
Speaker 5: it's coming, and when they see how fast it is,
Speaker 5: then they're kind of surprised about it. That's how you
Speaker 5: make turnovers. That's how you make plays, you know, because
Speaker 5: not only it's what happens before you make the play,
Speaker 5: it's the it's the energy that goes into attacking that player,
Speaker 5: that offender. It's something that it intimidates him a little bit.
Speaker 3: The other thing that Zimmer said that was interesting was
Speaker 3: he adjusted how he was using his personnel packages coming
Speaker 3: into this season based on what he once he was
Speaker 3: able to see up close Overshown's athleticism and his speed,
Speaker 3: and now he's got to be on the field because
Speaker 3: you remember back in training camp, we were seeing Parsons
Speaker 3: lining up more off the ball as a linebacker or whatever.
Speaker 3: And well, Overshown obviously was going to be starting, and
Speaker 3: so he took in, which put Parsons back as an edge.
Speaker 4: And I think initially he was thinking, this is my
Speaker 4: nickel linebacker.
Speaker 3: Yes, right, and so in sub packages and.
Speaker 4: Sub packages and then it was like oh no, he's
Speaker 4: on the field the whole time, so many different ways.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he needs to get sixty five snaps a game.
Speaker 4: So now it looks like well, I mean they finished
Speaker 4: the game with Leophile taking his spot, so I would
Speaker 4: imagine we.
Speaker 2: Did a pretty good He had a second and a half.
Speaker 4: And one of his deals coming out of you probably
Speaker 4: have it in your notebook coming out of Notre Dame
Speaker 4: that he was a pretty good coverage linebacker. I remember
Speaker 4: reading about that that he could cover, So I would
Speaker 4: think maybe they thought forward.
Speaker 3: I thought going back to the draft that Zimmer probably
Speaker 3: saw some Eric Kendricks in lea foulon.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, same body type up, same.
Speaker 4: He's so rangy, long arms, And I remember it was
Speaker 4: early I can't remember the game or who the quarterback was,
Speaker 4: but there was a quarterback rolling out and he thought
Speaker 4: he was going to get around the corner and here
Speaker 4: comes over shown out of nowhere right and nails them.
Speaker 4: And I think the quarterback thought I got the corner right, Well,
Speaker 4: no you don't.
Speaker 2: That's that's sudden this I'm talking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he just shot out of the cannon to get
Speaker 4: to him.
Speaker 3: All right, trying to wrap things up. Well past time
Speaker 3: to wrap things up. By the way, speaking of Darren Woodson,
Speaker 3: of course, he is one of the twenty five players
Speaker 3: still under consideration for the Hall of Fame class of
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. And in case you're wondering, these selectors
Speaker 3: will reduce the number to fifteen finalists and those names
Speaker 3: will be announced on December twenty eighth through the Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame and on the NFL network. So that's when
Speaker 3: it goes down to fifteen. Mark that down twenty eight, All.
Speaker 2: Right, that does you? Birthday?
Speaker 4: Oh wow, another December birthday.
Speaker 3: And that's Saturday, right, I don't know, twenty eight.
Speaker 4: Twenty Christmas is twenty fifth, Wednesday, twenty six, way seven Saturday,
Speaker 4: Saturday eighth, Yeah, Wednesday, all right, so we won't have a.
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