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Speaker 2: Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: This is Mick Shots streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the official Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones,

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Speaker 1: Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.

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Speaker 3: It's a very special occasion this edition of mix Shots.

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Speaker 3: It's Wednesday inside the SWBC podcast studio. This is a

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Speaker 3: special day because this is the day we honor Mickey Spagnola.

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Speaker 2: That is a corny version. It's unscripts.

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Speaker 3: It took a kind of a Christmas.

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Speaker 2: It's like a if you like to.

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Speaker 4: See Yeah, that's definitely a teenager Chris, Chris, and I

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Speaker 4: can't remember these days because his brother Rich it's his.

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Speaker 3: Birthday in the scouting department, Rich department.

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Speaker 4: And then when Christmas birthday is in January, it's the

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Speaker 4: same day my sister's birthday. Oh wow, how about that?

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Speaker 3: So you're all related? How about the how about the birthday?

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Speaker 3: Looked that Vicky is throwing now I on with a

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Speaker 3: black Cowboys vest on, black shirt.

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Speaker 5: The song was a teenager's birthday song and his mom

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Speaker 5: dressed him.

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Speaker 6: I hate the funny thing about that whole situation, and

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Speaker 6: we're all from Chicago.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Wow, there what stuff? Might be the smallest

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Speaker 2: person from Chicago.

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Speaker 4: No, not quite like the city of Yes, but we

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Speaker 4: have broad shoulders. Say anything about height, right.

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Speaker 3: It's also the windy city in a lot of wind.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's.

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Speaker 3: Not because of the atmospheric conditions. Why they call it

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Speaker 3: the windows.

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Speaker 4: And it was also the city that works too, by

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Speaker 4: the way, their daily didn't put up with any city

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Speaker 4: union strikes either.

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Speaker 2: By you're just making up stuff. No, I'm not the

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Speaker 2: city of whatever going to work.

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Speaker 3: You're bringing your legal pad with you too, And look,

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Speaker 3: you didn't bring his legal pad today on his birthday.

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Speaker 3: He's got a note pad.

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Speaker 4: Well, let's say I had ten forty five. I did

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Speaker 4: a TV spot.

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Speaker 3: That's why you have the tie on under ten fifty.

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Speaker 4: I did another TV deal. Eleven o'clock was the locker room. Okay,

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Speaker 4: eleven forty was the fan, and twelve o'clock was this.

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Speaker 3: Don't you know what I do for a living?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I haven't had a minute mouthpiece.

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Speaker 4: You haven't had a minute's piece yet.

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Speaker 3: And there's a lot of spinning going on this week,

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Speaker 3: and so the Mike McCarthy press conference won't be until

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Speaker 3: later today because it's a it's a short week after

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Speaker 3: the Monday night game, playing on Sunday at noon in

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Speaker 3: Charlotte against those Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 4: And the team didn't need to be here till noon

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Speaker 4: today team meeting and then so.

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Speaker 3: They opened up the locker room at eleven. Yes, that's

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Speaker 3: strategic team reports at noon. Media could come in at eleven.

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Speaker 4: I think I can count the guys that were in

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Speaker 4: there talking to themselves, which is what they do anyway,

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Speaker 4: passing through with maybe both hands right, twelve fingers, that's

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Speaker 4: a bit. The guys that well, you know, that's how

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Speaker 4: many people were in there, twelve twelve, two hands, twelve fingers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever, So nothing coming out of the nothing noteworthy

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Speaker 3: coming out of the locker room.

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Speaker 4: Yeah there was. I mean what, I don't know what

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Speaker 4: more you could ask him, or what more they could say.

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Speaker 4: Cavante Turpin talked for a little while and he was

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Speaker 4: talking about, you know, going forward, and he goes, you know,

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Speaker 4: he goes, uh, you know me, he goes, I'm just

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Speaker 4: trying to win games and don't matter who I'm competing

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Speaker 4: against her, you know what happened before. But I did

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Speaker 4: get to ask him. I think, did I tell you

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Speaker 4: yesterday that when he was lined up waiting for the

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Speaker 4: conversation sideline. I said, so, what was going on? Were

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Speaker 4: they were telling me to make a fair catch. He goes,

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Speaker 4: they said, don't be returning this. You make a fair catch.

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Speaker 4: And he said, you better kick it out of bounds

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Speaker 4: going to the house, just like that. So that was

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Speaker 4: the conversation they were having during that two minute time out.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was, and he was laughing about it.

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Speaker 4: He goes one of the guys he goes, I know

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Speaker 4: So he was giving me grief and I was telling

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Speaker 2: Let's look, let's think about this.

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Speaker 5: We have two extremely well really three dynamic players on

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Speaker 5: special teams and Ken kick his butt off, right, We've

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Speaker 5: got a field goal kicking, we've got turk and the deep.

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Speaker 4: Snapper is not all that bad.

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Speaker 2: And don't forget Nick vigil Okay, well, Nick Vigils.

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Speaker 4: So let's get into this because we got a chance

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Speaker 4: to talk to Fossil.

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Speaker 2: Okay, there you go, that's why I was hitted.

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Speaker 4: And so he pointed out that they had a return on.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't a punt block, it was a return. And

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Speaker 4: what they do for the return is you they call

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Speaker 4: it a vice. So you got two guys holding up

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you can tell that the return is on.

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Speaker 3: Now when you're watching football at the snap, if you

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Speaker 3: see two guys on the gunner, then the returns on.

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Speaker 4: And they wanted to go to that side to the

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Speaker 4: Cowboys left. So Oi was one of the guys in

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Speaker 3: So if they didn't have the return on, he would

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Speaker 4: Right basically, uh and and so what what you have

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Speaker 4: to do is the guys to the right are all gonna,

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Speaker 4: and what happened was he had wherewithal that the guy

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Speaker 4: and he was like, oh, I'm going to go and

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Speaker 5: Because to notice that and then rush and still block

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Speaker 4: Perfect technique and not hit the punter. So it was

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Speaker 4: it was all perfect right until it all bounces. Turpin said,

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Speaker 4: I was yelling, Peter means, get the hell out of

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of noise, and you know, and.

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Speaker 3: You're involved in the double team exactly right, and you're

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Speaker 4: He said he didn't see the ball block, so he

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Speaker 2: What do we do?

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Speaker 4: Right and so but so Fossil goes through this whole thing,

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Speaker 4: and then he gets asked a question about, well, this

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Speaker 4: has been a weird year because you guys on special

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Speaker 4: teams have made like three mistakes. That's where I was

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Speaker 4: hitted and and when I heard the question, I kind

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Speaker 4: of right retracted and I'm going, well, I don't know

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Speaker 4: if there are three mistakes, and Fossil, being the nice

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Speaker 4: blame somebody, blame me. I'm the coach, right uh, And

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Speaker 4: I'm going okay, mistake is a pretty harsh word to use.

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Speaker 4: And we got done. Somebody was walking by when I

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Speaker 4: went upstairs, and I said, this is one of the

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Speaker 4: he had gotten that question, he would have said, what

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Speaker 4: told Fossil, I said, you were too nice. I said,

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Speaker 4: good thing. It wasn't me because I would have reacted.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that you call it a mistake. And

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Speaker 4: he had the best line ever. He was talking about

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Speaker 4: the difficulties on special teams. You can't practice everything. You

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Speaker 4: can talk about stuff and everything, but you can't practice

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Speaker 4: it right. And he said, so the bottom line is,

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Speaker 3: How perfect, how perfect?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: And that's kind of the bottom line because there's so

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Speaker 4: many factors that go into every player as a player.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not dumping anything on Fossil at all as

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Speaker 5: a coach to his players. You gotta let him know

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Speaker 5: the rules first, and you operate within that right, which

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Speaker 5: is still in this particular situation, meaning, oh, did I

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: That's my first time ever saying it. Uh, he didn't.

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Speaker 5: That was just one of those situations. Now, if you're

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Speaker 5: talking about the fake punts and things of that nature,

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Speaker 5: that's not luck.

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Speaker 2: That's just bad execution.

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Speaker 4: Right, or you got sucked into one, right, right, right?

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Speaker 4: So so so somebody asked him, He goes, well, this

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Speaker 4: happened a couple of years ago with Makuamu, right. They

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Speaker 4: was it a block punt that he grabbed and then

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Speaker 4: he fumbled it away and then the Leon Lett thing, right, Okay,

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Speaker 4: Leon's thing was totally different. No, that's not that's he

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Speaker 4: didn't know the rules, right, and he's going to do

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Speaker 4: something he didn't to do.

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Speaker 2: Coach wasn't even here. Coach Fossil wasn't.

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Speaker 4: Here, right, So they asked him.

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Speaker 2: So now they went back.

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Speaker 4: He was asked, so, after the Macarmick thing, do you

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Speaker 4: talk to the team about that stuff? And he goes, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we you know, we pointed out and everything, and I'm

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Speaker 4: going a worryer wasn't here, then he wouldn't have heard

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Speaker 4: that speech after that happened. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 4: he just got here, so they wouldn't have been before

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Speaker 4: the game. Now, if we block a punt, don't touch.

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Speaker 5: It, well, I think he knew that right away. I

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Speaker 5: think he already knew that. Yes, But once again, it

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Speaker 5: was just a situation. You weren't expecting a block, you

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Speaker 5: were expecting a return.

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Speaker 4: And he didn't know it was You didn't hear anything,

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Speaker 4: no idea, anything, His back was to all the actions.

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Speaker 5: So in that case, totally a missa, just your bad circumstances.

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Speaker 5: You just in a bad, bad situation that you couldn't

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Speaker 5: really anticipate. But once again, when you start talking about.

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Speaker 4: The bad calls, if the calls are bad, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 4: it's a bad call. I don't know that it's a mistake.

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Speaker 4: It's just a bad call because how many how many

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Speaker 4: times in offensive coordinator calls to play and it doesn't work.

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Speaker 4: Is it a mistake or is it a bad call?

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Speaker 5: It's different with special team is yeah, it's different special

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Speaker 4: You only got so many opportunities.

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Speaker 5: So I wouldn't I think what the reason I brought

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Speaker 5: it up was because we're looking at really the strength

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Speaker 5: of our team, that just ironically happens to be the

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Speaker 5: part of it that we lost in the most critical situation.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he could have thought it was a fumble.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, stuff, it's the guy could have tried to run

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Speaker 5: the ball. As far as he's concerned. The guy could

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Speaker 5: have tried to run the ball, right, So you know this,

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Speaker 5: This is still the strength of our team as far

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Speaker 5: as I'm concerned. It's just so ironic that that would

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Speaker 3: and Dylan Gabriel quarterback. Oregon are the only unbeaten team

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Speaker 3: in the country.

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Speaker 5: So you were talking about the intellect of one of the.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another thing we got to point out is

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Speaker 3: the Campbell Trophy was presented this morning by the National

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Speaker 3: Football Foundation, and the winner of the Campbell Trophy, which

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Speaker 3: is the academic Heisman, which went, I start my big

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Speaker 3: green notebook on the draft. This is a big entry

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Speaker 3: right now, and it's the Alabama quarterback Jalen Milroe wins

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Speaker 3: the Campbell Trophy, the academic Heisman.

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Speaker 4: And that was last night, right, it may have been

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Speaker 4: last night in Vegas.

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Speaker 5: I think I thought the Travis Hunter was four point zero. Well,

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Speaker 5: I don't know, that's what That's what I heard it was.

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Speaker 5: He's also very okay, man, so I thought maybe he

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Speaker 5: would win that since they don't want him to win

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Speaker 5: the Jim Thorpe Award.

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Speaker 2: He can't, right, does not? I don't know, man.

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Speaker 5: That's we gotta talk, dude. We gotta talk about this.

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Speaker 5: This is your this is your purview right here. How

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Speaker 5: does how does Travis Hunter not end up with the

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Speaker 5: at least being a final consider for the Jim Thorpe Award.

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Speaker 3: Which goes to the top defensive back in the country.

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Speaker 4: Right, They're just not giving him credit, boys.

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Speaker 3: Right, he had a chance to win the Thorpe Award

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Speaker 3: and the Bullet and the horning for the most versatile

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Speaker 3: player and just give them all to it.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's like the NFL. So you got somebody that's

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Speaker 4: going to be the nf AFC NFC Offensive Player of

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Speaker 4: the Year, but they're not going to be the NFL

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Speaker 4: Player of the.

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Speaker 2: Year, right, crazy man, you celebrate, don't get both.

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Speaker 5: This is a unique moment in college it is, and

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Speaker 5: for them not to acknowledge that that just makes no

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Speaker 5: sense to me. It's like, now, we we just choose

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Speaker 5: to do this of our own volition. We don't feel

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Speaker 5: like giving, we don't feel like it. We just don't

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Speaker 5: feel like it. So no one's had to answer for that.

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Speaker 2: Huh.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's I don't know if you know.

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Speaker 2: You media guys can be such what sometimes.

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Speaker 4: Man, you're with us.

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Speaker 5: You know, I still think about you back when they're

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Speaker 5: trying to go and ask the referees questions after the

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Speaker 5: game and they punk you guys with cigarette smoking all

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Speaker 5: that might as well.

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Speaker 3: By the way, the award winners will be announced tomorrow night.

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Speaker 3: Thursday night is when they have the for all the awards,

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Speaker 3: for all the awards outside of the Heisman. The Heisman Saturday.

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Speaker 4: Night, when they do it tomorrow night. So Thursday night

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Speaker 4: football and awards.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, on Thursday night football is Rams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah big, that's big too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, forty nine ers. You're battling trying to stay in it.

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Speaker 2: Boy, Matthew is still hanging in there. Boy. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: How about that game that that Bill's Rams game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was thinking that game was long over, and

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Speaker 4: then I caught back up on it.

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Speaker 2: And saw what the score was.

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Speaker 4: And it was like, are you kidding me? They came

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Speaker 4: back like that?

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Speaker 5: You think Josh is going to keep passing the ball

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Speaker 5: like that? He's gonna I'm running this thing.

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Speaker 3: He had combined six touchdowns, three passing and three rushing.

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Speaker 3: It's only happened one other time in the history of

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Speaker 3: professional football, or at least the NFL.

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Speaker 2: That's great.

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Speaker 6: And by the way, Travis Hunter was not a finalist

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Speaker 6: for the Campbell. He did not have a four point

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Speaker 6: zero Just letting you know.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what did they say, do they have any They.

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Speaker 6: Have all the ones that were nominated and only two

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Speaker 6: of them had four o's.

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Speaker 3: Can you run down that list?

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Speaker 6: It's about fifteen.

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Speaker 3: I thought I thought it was more like one hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifty.

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Speaker 4: Now the finalist, it's not like the seniors.

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Speaker 3: Like one hundred and fifty.

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Speaker 6: It is funny looking at because it has their their

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Speaker 6: GPA and their their their their actual like their degree

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Speaker 6: or their their major major. Uh jam and Melrose was management. Okay,

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Speaker 6: being a quarterback, that doesn't shock me so much. I

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Speaker 6: do think a couple of them on here was Luke Lehman,

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Speaker 6: quarterback from North Central Illinois. He's a three seven six.

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Speaker 6: His major's exercise science.

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Speaker 2: That's just interesting.

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Speaker 4: Physiology.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: The quarterback for South Dakota State is mechanical engineering. He

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Speaker 6: has a three seven six.

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Speaker 4: That's that's not easy either.

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Speaker 2: And so you don't have you don't even have Hunter

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Speaker 2: on there.

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Speaker 6: He is not as a finalist. Would you like a

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Speaker 6: two hundred four semi finalists? I'm going to go through.

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Speaker 3: That's what I was alluding to. I wanted you to

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Speaker 3: read off the two hundred and four sim final all right,

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Speaker 3: how about this? Oh, this is interesting Past winners of

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Speaker 3: the Campbell Trophy Academic Heisman. Last year's winner, Bo Nicks,

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Speaker 3: quarterback Oregon. Okay, you see why I had him listed

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Speaker 3: as one of the quarterbacks that I was really intrigued

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Speaker 3: by because he was the academic Heisman.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's getting a lot of a lot of games.

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Speaker 3: The year before twenty twenty two, Iowa linebacker Jack Campbell,

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Speaker 3: Detroit Lions first round draft pick. Charlie Kohlar tied end

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Speaker 3: from Iowa State, who's playing pretty well for the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 3: Right now, go back to twenty nineteen Oregon quarterback. Oh,

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Oregon quarterback. Oh got Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert

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Speaker 3: wanted in twenty nineteen. Twenty eighteen Clemson defensive tackle Christian Wilkins,

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Speaker 3: about that. He's turned that into quite a contract. He's

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Speaker 3: with the Raiders now, but he signed a one hundred

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Speaker 3: million dollar contract after excelling with the Dolphins. Let's see,

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Speaker 3: and we go on back to Emmanuel Occhio's brothers. Sam

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Speaker 3: Ocho wanted in twenty ten.

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Speaker 2: Is he from here? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Saint Mark's High School in Dallas And two thousand and

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Speaker 3: nine Tim Tebow won it and Chad Pennington won it.

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Speaker 3: Once upon a Time nineteen ninety seven, a guy by

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Speaker 3: the name of Peyton Man want. So there's trip down

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Speaker 3: memory Lane with an NFL touch to it.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if the Iowa State defensive tackle was

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Speaker 4: on that list that I told you about yesterday Dominica Orange.

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Speaker 3: You were talking about that, the big championship game you're watching.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, anything else you want to add in

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Speaker 3: this segment before we move on to that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, A couple of things for the next segment from

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Speaker 3: They blow him out right kick dass one in the

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Speaker 4: Doesn't be in Florida because it's because of Jacksonvilleville.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's Jacksonville University. It's in Jacksonville, Florida.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But still the artist Gilmore went there. No, I'm going

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Speaker 3: to look it up.

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Speaker 2: I think so. I thought.

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Speaker 4: I think he's right.

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Speaker 2: I know he's from Jacksonville. Period. He's from the from

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Speaker 2: the city of Jacksonville, Florida.

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Speaker 3: But he may not.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I should have bet you up into that one.

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Speaker 5: I thought the Skillmore was some of Jacksonville.

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Speaker 2: It means real cool.

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Speaker 3: He Okay, you want bet?

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Speaker 4: How old is he? How old is he?

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's bet Jacksonville from Jacksonville.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, But I'm saying he went to Jacksonville University.

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Speaker 2: Said Jacksonville State.

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Speaker 3: No, No, Jacksville, say, I'm saying Jacksonville in Florida.

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Speaker 5: Oh No, I know he's from Jacksonville in Florida, that

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Speaker 5: I do know.

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Speaker 3: No, he went to high school in Dothan, Alabama.

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Speaker 2: Oh damn.

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Speaker 3: He went to Gardner Webb and then Jacksonville in Alabama. No,

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Speaker 3: Jacksonville Dolphins in Florida, in Florida.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, that's right there you go.

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Speaker 4: Well I thought Jacksonville.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Jacksonville State is in Alabama.

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Speaker 3: Alabama, and Jasonville University is in Jacksonville, Florida.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Jacksonville.

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Speaker 2: So I thought he was from Jacksonville.

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Speaker 3: Well, he went to high school in Alabama, but he

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Speaker 3: was born in Florida.

663
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's I talked to him and he blags on

664
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 5: Jacksonville all the time.

665
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 3: So he was in the transfer portal. Yeah, something was

666
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 3: going on. He moved to Dothan, Alabama.

667
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: He bags on being from Jacksonville all the time.

668
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 4: What air did he switch schools? Like when did Yeah,

669
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 4: there have to be something going on with that, that's

670
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 4: what iah. It was the seventies, right.

671
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 3: Well, he was born in Jacksonville, you, mickey, he's seventy five.

672
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 4: Okay, he's older now. Okay, but see when he went

673
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 4: to college, maybe he couldn't get in in certain spots.

674
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 3: So nineteen sixty seven he went to Gardner Webb and

675
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: then sixty nine to seventy one Jacksonville.

676
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: See, yeah, that's weird.

677
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 3: I love artist Gilboy.

678
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 4: Well that was cool nineteen seventy one.

679
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 3: You said Jackson nineteen graduated in seventy one.

680
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 4: So think about it. Yeah, Bold Miss wasn't integrating till

681
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 4: it might have been seventy one, seventy two. There you go,

682
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 4: think about it.

683
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 3: Okay, here you go. When public schools were integrated, he

684
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 3: attended Chipley High School for Okay, Okay, he went, I

685
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 3: get Okay. When public schools were integrated, he attended Chipley

686
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 3: High School for one week before leaving home to attend

687
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 3: Carver High School in Dulton, Alabama.

688
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: There you go, because they integrated.

689
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 3: And that's located down south in Alabama, just well, thirty

690
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 3: five miles north of Chipley Ford. Not not to open.

691
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 2: Up, let's just cut all of that with the same pen,

692
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: whole position.

693
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 3: Would the artist Gilmour have played in the NFL at

694
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 3: seven feet two inches tall?

695
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 4: Defense too tall Jones? Or tight end to one other? Two? Uh?

696
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 4: Not to open up this can of worms. But why

697
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 4: do you think Walter Payton went to Jackson State Integration?

698
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that.

699
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 4: Did a story on him. Eighty five Super Bowl. Me

700
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 4: and my college roommate, who was working in Atlanta at

701
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 4: that time, went to Columbia Mississippi, where he was from,

702
00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 4: and we were going to just see if it was

703
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 4: a big deal in Columbia that Walter Peyton was in

704
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 4: the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I mean in the

705
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 4: Super Bowl right down the road in New Orleans. So

706
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 4: we went around and we saw some people talking about

707
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 4: him and they had signs up, and then we went

708
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 4: to the school. Well, we go to the school and

709
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 4: it's it's four o'clock, schools out, and we're driving in

710
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 4: the parking lot and we see this guy come walking

711
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 4: out and he goes, what your boys doing here? And

712
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 4: it's like, well, you know, we were doing this on

713
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,479
Speaker 4: Walter Peyton. And he goes, well, this is your lucky day.

714
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 4: I was his high school football coach. Last name was Boston.

715
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 4: The first name is skipping me, but it was Ralph Boston,

716
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 4: the long jumper Olympics. Yeah, that was his brother.

717
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 2: Wow.

718
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 4: All right, So we started talking to him about Walter

719
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 4: and he started telling us the Charles Boston thank you,

720
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 4: started telling us the stories about the schools integrated Walter's

721
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 4: sophomore or junior year, and they couldn't decide who was

722
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 4: going to be the head coach. The white school head

723
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 4: coach or the black him. And so they decided they

724
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 4: would be co head coaches. And the integration part in

725
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 4: that time was very difficult. And so they played the

726
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 4: first game and I don't know if the story got

727
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 4: exaggerator or what, but the first time Walter touched the ball,

728
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 4: he runs seventy yards for a touchdown. He must have

729
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 4: scored three touchdowns in the game, right, And all of

730
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 4: a sudden, mister Boston says, it didn't matter what color

731
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 4: you were, as long as you were winning the game.

732
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 4: And he goes, and Walter did more for integration in

733
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 4: this city than any other person. It was one of

734
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,959
Speaker 4: those weird things. He had to go home, he said,

735
00:40:59,000 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 4: oh you know.

736
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 3: He started talking.

737
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 4: He goes, I got so much to tell you, but

738
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 4: mom was waiting for me for dinner. Right, He goes,

739
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 4: why don't you boys come over to the house. We

740
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 4: go to the house, sit on the porch. She brings

741
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 4: out iced tea, and we must have talked another hour.

742
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 4: It was like the most fortunate thing might have happened

743
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 4: to me in my writing career. Right, and he's sitting

744
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 4: on the porch and he goes, yeah, you see that

745
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 4: field out there, Well, that's where I saw Walter playing

746
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 4: junior high and he goes, he didn't want to play

747
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 4: football because he was in the band. And if he

748
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 4: was in the band, he could. They said he couldn't

749
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 4: play football because you have to march at halftime. And

750
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 4: he goes, well, I took care of that. He goes,

751
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 4: he can do both and march with his uniform, right,

752
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 4: And he says, and you see the store across the street,

753
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 4: that's where all the kids went and bought their candy

754
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 4: right there, and it was it was, it was phenomenal. Yeah. Absolutely,

755
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 4: And let me get this in, so let.

756
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 3: Me before you do that. Yes, all right, on this

757
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: to go Walter Peyton. You know the two Pro Football

758
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 3: Hall of famers that played with Walter Peyton at Jackson State.

759
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 3: At Jackson State Okay Brazil, Yeah, Robert Brazil and the

760
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: other Jackie Slater. Oh wow, Okay.

761
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: Go ahead.

762
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 4: And that's where they had no other choice. Right at

763
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 4: that time, Switzer couldn't recruit everybody, yeah, or or Duffy

764
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 4: Doherty at Michigan State because I made that mistake. I

765
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 4: interviewed some guy from a little small town in Mississippi,

766
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 4: and uh, he ended up being an NFL star and

767
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 4: he went to Michigan State and I'm talking in high school.

768
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 4: He was so good, big guy too. And I go,

769
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 4: so you mean Mississippi, Oh, miss Mississippi State Southern didn't

770
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 4: recruit you. And he looked at me and where are

771
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 4: you from? Boy? And I said, I said Chicago. And

772
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 4: then I knew what was coming. He goes, those opportunities

773
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 4: weren't a y old for men like me. Right, So

774
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 4: Duffy Doherty was recruiting Mississippi to get all these great

775
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 4: athletes at Michigan State.

776
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 3: At that time, it just occurred to me, you know,

777
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 3: Barry Switcher's greatest accomplishment might have been breaking the color barrier. Yeah.

778
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt about it. There's no doubt about that.

779
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 4: I mean it was real.

780
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was, My.

781
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 5: Dad and I were Oklahoma fans because Texas wasn't signing

782
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 5: any black players. And so that's how I'm still owe

783
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 5: you to this day, just simply because of that. I'm

784
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 5: talking about going back when I was nine years old.

785
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 4: I mean, we took it for granted. It didn't dawn

786
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 4: on me, right, and it's like you gotta.

787
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: Get but some love too. Wilklson. Yeah, yeah, gotta get

788
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 2: but some love on that.

789
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 4: And then Bear Bryant came around, right.

790
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 3: And Chuck Fairbanks was the head coach when Switzer was

791
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 3: the assistant, right, so, and guys like Greg Pruett came

792
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 3: in and.

793
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 4: So, okay, anyway, well we got off topic here. Let's

794
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 4: clear this up. And so I don't know that I've

795
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 4: seen so many people have an injury have such a

796
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 4: profound effect on this injury to Demarvian overshown everybody talking

797
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 4: about it or whatever. So they asked Mike Zimmer during

798
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 4: his press conference yesterday about Demarvian and he went on

799
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 4: about him and everything, and then somebody said, so, does

800
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 4: he remind you of any player you've had that just

801
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 4: had that kind of impact, right, And he kind of

802
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 4: hemmed and hard and he goes, you know, he goes

803
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 4: Darren Woodson, and I'm going, Okay, that's a high compliment.

804
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 4: We're talking a ring of honor, a member who should

805
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 4: be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

806
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: I'd say that's as close a comparison.

807
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 4: And I was thinking about it, and it reminded me

808
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 4: of this story about Woody. He got here from Arizona

809
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 4: State as a high bred linebacker, and Jimmy wasn't sure

810
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 4: what to do with him, like if he was ready

811
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 4: to make the transition to safety. And Campbell was the

812
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 4: one that basically scouted him at Arizona State and put

813
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 4: in the word that we can use this guy. So

814
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 4: they draft him in the second round and they're going

815
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 4: to convert him to safety, but they wouldn't sure if

816
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 4: he was ready. So basically he spent his rookie year

817
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 4: playing special teams. Then the second year, it's like, Okay,

818
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 4: this guy's pretty darn good. You're our safety. Not only

819
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 4: the safety, he was the slot corner on the nickel

820
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 4: though in his second third, maybe not his second year

821
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 4: when he first started, but eventually right. And so I

822
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 4: remember ninety three when he started and he was having

823
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 4: a great year. I was talking with Jimmy and I

824
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 4: I was asking him about Darren Woodson, and he goes,

825
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 4: might have been my biggest personnel mistake ever. He goes,

826
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 4: I didn't think he was ready to play safety in

827
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 4: the NFL. He was more than ready, and I wasted

828
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 4: him on special teams. And that's how Goodwoody is. And

829
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 4: to compare Overshown with wood he is pretty high praise

830
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 4: and think he's only played thirteen NFL games. He's been

831
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 4: awfully good and everybody wants to talk about him. Parsons

832
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 4: tearing up talking about the injury. It's a tough injury

833
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 4: to come back from, and we talked about it kind

834
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 4: of briefly yesterday, but eventually it came out that he

835
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 4: tore every cl you have in your knees alphabet. Now,

836
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 4: I was told that the fortunate thing, if there's a

837
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 4: fortunate thing and a bad injury like that, is he

838
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 4: didn't damage his meniscus, and as we know, that's not

839
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 4: something they can replace. They can try and regenerate it,

840
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 4: but they can't replace it. But he didn't tear that

841
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 4: and it didn't sound like he suffered nerve damage either.

842
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 4: So it's a long rehab. I mean, he may miss

843
00:46:54,800 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 4: next year, but you know, I've heard that still got

844
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 4: a smile on his face, and it's like, okay, we

845
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 4: got to get started. Let's go.

846
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 5: You know, his just the dynamic way that he plays,

847
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 5: his just a burst of athleticism on the plays, especially

848
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 5: that he makes that make a difference. He reminds me

849
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 5: a lot of Michael. He really does the way he's

850
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 5: able to close the gets yes, that's what I'm talking about,

851
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 5: to where it puts more pressure. It's like the offender

852
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 5: he's not aware of just what's coming and how fast

853
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 5: it's coming, and when they see how fast it is,

854
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 5: then they're kind of surprised about it. That's how you

855
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 5: make turnovers. That's how you make plays, you know, because

856
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 5: not only it's what happens before you make the play,

857
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 5: it's the it's the energy that goes into attacking that player,

858
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 5: that offender. It's something that it intimidates him a little bit.

859
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 3: The other thing that Zimmer said that was interesting was

860
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 3: he adjusted how he was using his personnel packages coming

861
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 3: into this season based on what he once he was

862
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 3: able to see up close Overshown's athleticism and his speed,

863
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 3: and now he's got to be on the field because

864
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 3: you remember back in training camp, we were seeing Parsons

865
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: lining up more off the ball as a linebacker or whatever.

866
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: And well, Overshown obviously was going to be starting, and

867
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 3: so he took in, which put Parsons back as an edge.

868
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 4: And I think initially he was thinking, this is my

869
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 4: nickel linebacker.

870
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 3: Yes, right, and so in sub packages and.

871
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 4: Sub packages and then it was like oh no, he's

872
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 4: on the field the whole time, so many different ways.

873
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he needs to get sixty five snaps a game.

874
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 4: So now it looks like well, I mean they finished

875
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 4: the game with Leophile taking his spot, so I would

876
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 4: imagine we.

877
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 2: Did a pretty good He had a second and a half.

878
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Speaker 4: And one of his deals coming out of you probably

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Speaker 4: have it in your notebook coming out of Notre Dame

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Speaker 4: that he was a pretty good coverage linebacker. I remember

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Speaker 4: reading about that that he could cover, So I would

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Speaker 4: think maybe they thought forward.

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Speaker 3: I thought going back to the draft that Zimmer probably

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Speaker 3: saw some Eric Kendricks in lea foulon.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, same body type up, same.

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Speaker 4: He's so rangy, long arms, And I remember it was

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Speaker 4: early I can't remember the game or who the quarterback was,

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Speaker 4: but there was a quarterback rolling out and he thought

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Speaker 4: he was going to get around the corner and here

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Speaker 4: comes over shown out of nowhere right and nails them.

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Speaker 4: And I think the quarterback thought I got the corner right, Well,

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Speaker 4: no you don't.

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Speaker 2: That's that's sudden this I'm talking.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he just shot out of the cannon to get

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Speaker 4: to him.

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Speaker 3: All right, trying to wrap things up. Well past time

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Speaker 3: to wrap things up. By the way, speaking of Darren Woodson,

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Speaker 3: of course, he is one of the twenty five players

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Speaker 3: still under consideration for the Hall of Fame class of

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. And in case you're wondering, these selectors

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Speaker 3: will reduce the number to fifteen finalists and those names

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Speaker 3: will be announced on December twenty eighth through the Hall

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Speaker 3: of Fame and on the NFL network. So that's when

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Speaker 3: it goes down to fifteen. Mark that down twenty eight, All.

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Speaker 2: Right, that does you? Birthday?

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, another December birthday.

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Speaker 3: And that's Saturday, right, I don't know, twenty eight.

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Speaker 4: Twenty Christmas is twenty fifth, Wednesday, twenty six, way seven Saturday,

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Speaker 4: Saturday eighth, Yeah, Wednesday, all right, so we won't have a.

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Speaker 3: Show that day, so we'll have you. You might have

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Speaker 3: to do it on twenty seven.

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Speaker 4: All right, Game Day Friday.

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Speaker 3: That does it for this edition of mix Shots. Everybody

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Speaker 3: send happy birthday greetings. Mickey s bag noa, what are

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Speaker 3: you on Twitter?

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Speaker 4: Something at spags fifty two?

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Speaker 3: There you go, all right.

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Speaker 4: Every month I've given up on social media.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, all right, talk at you. Oh, we won't

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Speaker 3: be here Tomorrow Friday. Here Tomorrow Friday on mix Shots

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Speaker 3: Go Cowboys.

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