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Speaker 1: I'm straight talk with the guys and the community. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We are joined by Fred Galvin, a retired brin radar

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Speaker 1: officer of Marsock Fox Company, Fame Philip Stackhouse, the attorney

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Speaker 1: of Ghanny Drager and bull Garfine, CEO of United American

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Speaker 1: PLATINUS and Legal Defense Fund for Military personnel accuse of

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Speaker 1: war crimes. Good affinion, gentlemen, Fred, let's speaking with you.

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Speaker 1: Can you please tell us about your experience with Fox

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Speaker 1: Company and the military legal system. Probably very brief situation

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Speaker 1: came where we were the first Marine Special Operations Task Force.

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Speaker 1: We were deployed to Afghanistan. Case happened in March of

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Speaker 1: two thousand and seven and we were on a patrol

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Speaker 1: down an unapproved trail with nothing behind it too. You know,

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Speaker 1: got estialated up until they transferred him to the medical

430
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: facility on base, and then not too long after that,

431
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 1: Mr Rodriguez was transported to Launch School for uh you know,

432
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: higher echelonic care. And I think one of the important

433
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: things is is, you know, when when this immediately got

434
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: reported at the talk that Mr Rodriguez was in some

435
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 1: medical to recipe, what what they told him to do was, hey,

436
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: go get Chief gil Met letting, you know, so he

437
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: can get some medical care. Woman. You know, that's the

438
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: one who checked him out, That's the one who was

439
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: providing the care. I mean, you know again, Chief got

440
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,719
Speaker 1: was one of the senior guys on the base. And

441
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: the real unfortunate part about this is, as a result

442
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: apparently of his head hitting the street much earlier in

443
00:26:55,080 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: the morning, he had what appears to be sustained an

444
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: injury to his brain, and ultimately, and unfortunately and tragically

445
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: he ended up passing away several days later. As Fred

446
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: had described, an investigation was conducted. You know that that

447
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: led to the investigation being turned over to the Marine

448
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: Special Operations Command, who, after consulting with I guess some

449
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: legal advisors, made the decision to bring charges against these three.

450
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: And you know, as it was described in this uh

451
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: this article thirty two hearing, there's an absolute right to

452
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: defend yourself. There's an absolute right to defend someone else

453
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: who needs help, as Nny Negron did for for Gunnery

454
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: Sergeant Dreyer. It's the unfortunate circumstance that Mr Rodriguez possed away.

455
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: But as we argued and presented during that article thirty

456
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: two hearing, he was the aggressor that evening from from

457
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: early on and throughout the evening until and and and

458
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: I don't think that I am coloring this in any

459
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: way that would not be objectively seen on the video

460
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: until he savagely attacked gun Resurgeant Dreyer, and gunn Resurgeant

461
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: Negron hit him one time in defensive of gun Resergeant Drayer.

462
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's what was presented and and

463
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: that's what was shown at the article thirty two here.

464
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: And if I'm not mistaken these obstruction of trustees, why well,

465
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: you know, what they're trying to say is is that

466
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: they didn't have as much authority as they believed they

467
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: had to be able to be out that night or

468
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: out as late that night as as the otherwise might

469
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: have thought they would. And so what they what they

470
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: have alleged is that instead of taking him to a

471
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: medical facility, they took him back to his billeting. And

472
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: the reason why they did that was because they didn't

473
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: want anybody to know that they had been out late

474
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Speaker 1: that night. That's the basis upon which they've charged the obstructions.

475
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: So they obstructed the investigation by taking him back to

476
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: his barracks room or as his chewe the container housing

477
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: Unity was living in, instead of a medical facility. And

478
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: all I can tell you is is is it wasn't

479
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: just the three raiders that were out that night. There

480
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: was I mean, if you had the opportunity to see

481
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: the video of the T bar, there were dozens of people,

482
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: dozens of US individuals, Westerners that were in the T

483
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: bar that night and several marines and including the three raiders.

484
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: So that's the you know, that's the reason that they've

485
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: tried to charge this obstruction. That is to say that

486
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,239
Speaker 1: they're trying to make something more out of it than

487
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: what it really was. So the case goes to a

488
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: court martial. Do you think that the churches will stant

489
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: or the fall apart? Well, it's you know, it's hard

490
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: to say. You know, I won't go in any great

491
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: detail until it our defense will be in the case,

492
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: but I don't I don't think it's any great secret.

493
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: The investigating officer, the pretrial hearing officer, you know, reported

494
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: on the very significant self defense issues that are going

495
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: to be present in this case. And self defense is

496
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: exactly what happened, and and that is what we articulated

497
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: to the hearing officer. The problem is self defense is

498
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: an affirmative defense, and that's what the hearing officer addressed

499
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: to General you. He clearly set out in that report

500
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: that he wrote, how difficult the case it's going to

501
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: be given that there is a significant self defense issue. President.

502
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: So you know, well, will the case get to a jury?

503
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: It may, you know, in my opinion, it should have

504
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: never got to the charging process because the self defense

505
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: issues are fairly present in the objective videos if you

506
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: watch them. Do you think that stuff starting Melgar's murder

507
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: back in two seventeen in Madley negatively influencing the case.

508
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: I can speak on that a little bit only because

509
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: I represent one of the seals that is involved in

510
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: that case. Mr. Rokey, who who represents Chief gil Met,

511
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: also represents one of the other Marines that's one of

512
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: the marines that's involved in that case as well. And

513
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: I can tell you that certainly the press that has

514
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: swirled around the Special Operations community in general has led

515
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: the Special Operations leadership to make very public statements about

516
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: their disappointments and the and the goings on inside of

517
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: the Special Operations community. Now, a lot of their disappointment

518
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: is clearly based upon not giving their operators the benefit

519
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: of the doubt in you know, combat situations in a

520
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: combat zone. So you know, I don't I don't know

521
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: that I would tie anything specifically to the case that

522
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: involved the again unfortunate and tragic death of Logan Melgard.

523
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: But I think that there are some very eye profile

524
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: cases that are swirling around the Special Operations community right now,

525
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: and that the leadership is been publicly embarrassed by the

526
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: allegations that have swirled around without consideration as to whether

527
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: the allegations were to or not, or what the context

528
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: or circumstances of the allegations are. Um And you know,

529
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: I'll give you just one example if you if you

530
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: were to go back and and read the Daily Beast

531
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: sort of right up on the allegations involving the again

532
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: very unfortunate and tragic death of Logan Melgard. That had

533
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: to do with, you know, discovery of larsity of of

534
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: special operations funds and and all those kind of things.

535
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: And you know, as the investigation was completed and as

536
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: the article thirty twos were completed in those lines of cases,

537
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: none of that's true. So it came across this very

538
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, this very sinister plan for you know, stealing

539
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: money and and uh, you know, quieting people up about that.

540
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: And it had nothing to do with that. I mean,

541
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: it literally had to do with you know, guys playing

542
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: jokes on other guys and and things went very tragic

543
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: that night. So is the Special Operations community right now

544
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: in the public eye in a way they wouldn't like

545
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: to be I would say sure, and is that impacting

546
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: decisions that are being made in these types of cases?

547
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: It has to, And I think that goes back to

548
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,479
Speaker 1: what Fritz said at the beginning about officers wanting to

549
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: please their superiors. Let's go to you. Can you please

550
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: tell us about your organization and how it helped insights cases.

551
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I appreciate you having us UH

552
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: and and have me on alongside both Phil, Phil Stackhouse

553
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: and Fred Gallvin. I mean, these two individuals, their outstanding.

554
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: As the CEO of United American Patriots, we've got a

555
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: pretty diverse mission. You know. Primarily, we're responsible for informing

556
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: the President, Congress and citizens, funding legal representation, and supporting

557
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: reintegration for US warriors who are wrongfully accused and unjustly

558
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: convicted of war crimes. And primarily we're doing this to

559
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: preserve the presumption of innocence and protect against unlawful commanding

560
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: influenced prosecutorial misconduct and investigator abuse. So we see all

561
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: of these different cases, and what's interesting is, you know,

562
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: we've been able to work with Phil Stackhouse, you know,

563
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: as the CEO of UAP. You know, I've been able

564
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: to see and also support bills commitment to ensuring that

565
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: service members rights are not being violated by you know,

566
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: this complex and sometimes convoluted and sometimes skewed process known

567
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: as this uniform Code of Military Justice. I'm really thankful

568
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: to see that we've got someone like phill out here

569
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: fighting for people, and he's willing to step up and

570
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: make sure that these overzealous prosecutors and these commanders who

571
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: sometimes act in what we call, you see I unlawful

572
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: command influence, that they're they're being kept in check. And

573
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: it's really important that we have these civilian attorneys who

574
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: have extensive military background, who understand the military system, but

575
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: at the same time are not controlled and constrained by

576
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: it and have the freedom to do the right thing

577
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: at the right time. I think that that's that's really critical.

578
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: So everything that fills doing out here is absolutely imperative

579
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: for the justice for the warrior. That's key. And where

580
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: where we've seen this go astray. And we'll talk about

581
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: our Morrisack warriors right now, but we see it time

582
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: and again and and and I'll just step back and

583
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about when I was working on

584
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: Capitol Hill and my job was representing the stand up

585
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: of Marsk. The Marine Special Operations Command. I saw the

586
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: challenges both the you know, the political challenges and the

587
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: sibling rivalries played out as Marsk was being established, and

588
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: it was quite obvious when Fred's company, you know, these

589
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: these guys are some of the most highly trained and

590
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: professional warriors that mar SOCK or the Marine Corps ever

591
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: deployed into combat. It was the first combat deployment for

592
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: these raiders that that they were gonna face some serious

593
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: potential threats to specifically in Afghanistan. The first we're gonna

594
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: be the bombs and the bullets that we're gonna be

595
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: directed towards them, trying to test this new unit see

596
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: if they had the merit, the ability, that the courage

597
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: to stay in and engage. And so they came at

598
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 1: him with everything they had, and all of a sudden,

599
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: the Afghans were like, oh my god, these warriors are

600
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: not stepping back and and Fred led these guys in

601
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: a serious firefight to where the Afghans realized this was

602
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: something different. This was a unit that had something to prove,

603
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: and they were gonna do the right thing at the

604
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: right time, and we're destroy the enemy. They were so

605
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: scared that they immediately started elevating this alarm and saying,

606
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: get these freaking, crazy devil dogs out of here. And

607
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 1: so this is where it played into the second threat.

608
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: And the second threat was that we were going to

609
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: see a bunch of senior leaders from other services with

610
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:35,959
Speaker 1: these prejudicial or over critical scrutiny of the Marines, who,

611
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: on the one hand, we're sitting here saying, hey, they're

612
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: they're kind of stepping into our special operations lane, which

613
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: you know, on a tactical level, you know, they're sibling

614
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: rivalry here, which is healthy, but on a strategic and

615
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: a political level, now all of a sudden, they're gonna

616
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: be competing for funds. So certainly there was a sense

617
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: of you know, who's this new kid on the block,

618
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: and maybe perhaps even secretly assuming they would fail or

619
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: hoping they would fail. And so the first indicator, Oh, look,

620
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: something went wrong. These guys they're not trained up to do.

621
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: You know, these high speed missions we do, they don't

622
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: handle it. Boom. All of a sudden, it played right

623
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: into it, and it kicked them out of the country.

624
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: And just to put this in perspective, I don't know

625
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: of a unit in the history of conflict in the

626
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: United States, it's ever been kicked out of a country.

627
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it's absolutely insane. It played right into the

628
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: enemy and the Afghans must have been dancing and laughing

629
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 1: in us in a humdah. Thank god we were able

630
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: to trick the Americans into getting these warriors out. I

631
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: think it's important to kind of put that into context

632
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: and perspective with that case, because now we roll over

633
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: into you know, the cases that we're seeing right now,

634
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: as we're seeing with Gunn restarted, Danny Drar Gunn Restarted,

635
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: Josh and the Groan and Chief Eric Gilmitt. I mean,

636
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: these are three of the most highly trained warriors again

637
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: MARSOC warriors, and yet there's still a stigma within the

638
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: Marine Corps even that you know, these special operators are

639
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: somehow cowboys and they kind of live outside the rules

640
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: that are formally accepted by you know, the well disciplined warriors,

641
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: the that will you know, the incident, willing respect for authority.

642
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: It just it's just not true. But there's that that stigma,

643
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: and as such, when all of a sudden an incident happens,

644
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: there's a knee jerk reaction by the senior leaders like, whoa,

645
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: we gotta get these crazy cowboys in line. You know,

646
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: these guys are loose cannons. I'm gonna show everybody I'm tough.

647
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: I I don't I don't put up with these guys,

648
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, breaking the rules. And and so this is

649
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: what exactly happened here with our warriors, and uh, you know,

650
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: as Fred talked about and as Phil talked about, you know,

651
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: they came out and and you have these over zealous

652
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: prosecutors over charging. I mean, it is a bar fight.

653
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: Let's keep this into perspective. It's a freaking bar fight.

654
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: If you're a warrior and you haven't been in a

655
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: bar fight where you're probably not out there on the

656
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: front lines, because you know what, there's always gonna be

657
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: somebody who thinks they're bigger, bad or tougher than you,

658
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: and they're gonna test you. They're gonna try and stick

659
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: a beer bottle in your face, they're gonna try and

660
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: prove their manhood. And so it's to all of a sudden, say,

661
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: all right, here's a bar fight in which the aggressor

662
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: was the one that unfortunately lost unfortunately lost his life.

663
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: And I say unfortunate because I'm certain that this guy,

664
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 1: when in a normal situation where if he was putting

665
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: chat in a in harm's way as a former Special

666
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: Force Forces warrior, as a contractor, probably did his job

667
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: and did it well. And here, unfortunately, he was intoxicated,

668
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: he wasn't thinking properly, and one thing happened, you know,

669
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: one thing led to another. One punch hit him, caught

670
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: him and knocked him out. That happens. Okay, welcome to

671
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: the life of a warrior. That happens. But then to

672
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: have some prosecutors who probably have never been in a

673
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: bar fight, who you know, the whole concept of thinking

674
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: and of getting into some fisty cuffs is probably beyond

675
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: the scope of what they can even imagine. Now, all

676
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: of a sudden they want to come along and they

677
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: want to well, not only do they want to make

678
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: sure they keep these tough guys in line. You know,

679
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: they come out with these overcharging of manslaughter, which even

680
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: all of the video recordings show this was certainly not manslaughter.

681
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: It was it was absolutely self defense, so it was

682
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: nowhere near manslaughter. But this is where you know, they

683
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: want to try and get a big kill. Why because

684
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: these prosecutors if you put things into perspective, these are

685
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: individuals who said, you know what I want to go

686
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: to I want to go to law school, but I

687
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: can't afford it, but oh, the government will do that. Well,

688
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: what I got, what I've gotta go sixteen weeks, learned

689
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: how to wear a uniform nine from fork school and

690
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: then you know, go and serve for a couple of years.

691
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: Is uh an attorney pretending to be in the military.

692
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: And next thing, you know, if I get a prosecution,

693
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: I get a big paying job because get more trial

694
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: time in the military that I will working for some

695
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: big law firm and sign me up. And to be clear,

696
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: we've got some great jags out there who are doing

697
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: the right thing at the right time. But when you

698
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: get caught with these guys who are not doing the

699
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: right thing, that's when all of a sudden they have

700
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: to be brought back in. And the challenges that, for

701
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: the most part are jags, they have to act with

702
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: their own sense of self discipline to do the right thing,

703
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: because for the most part they act with impunity. What

704
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: do I mean by that that in the history of

705
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: the Uniform Code of Military Justice, there has never been

706
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: one prosecutor that has ever been held criminally accountable for

707
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: criminal activity. That sounds bizarre. So what it means is

708
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: that if I want to win a case, and I

709
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: do because it's gonna affect my career, and it's gonna

710
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: affect my future career when I get out as an attorney, well,

711
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do everything I can't I mean everything to

712
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: make sure I win this case. And guess what if

713
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: I crossed the line, Well, what's the worst that's gonna happen?

714
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: And maybe administratively they'll pull me off the case, but

715
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: nothing really is gonna impact me in a negative way.

716
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: I'm certainly not gonna go to prison. And people say, well,

717
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: are they doing anything that bad. Yes, they're violating the

718
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: Constitution of the United States, and that's about as bad

719
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: as it gets when you infringe upon individuals rights. Yes,

720
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: that's a criminal offense and you should go to prison

721
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: for it. Yet they don't. And so this is where

722
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: our organization, the United American Patriots, as I said, we're

723
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: trying to preserve the individual's rights, and when we see

724
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: them getting trampled, we step in and we see this

725
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: across the board, we see prosecutors, this is what we

726
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: call prosecutorial misconduct, where prosecutors withhold evidence what's called sculpatory

727
00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: evidence or exonerating evidence, meaning information that would prove or

728
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: at least lead to proving to the fact that this

729
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: warrior did not commit a crime. Well, we see prosecutors

730
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: hiding this information. Now, now that's not just like, well,

731
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: that seems like a little unethical. That's criminal. It's illegal,

732
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: it's against the constitution. They must share information they have

733
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: with the defense so that the truth comes out. That's

734
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 1: the whole concept of a trial, is that the truth

735
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: comes out, not that the prosecution is able to destroy

736
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: an individual. But we're seeing where the investigators have missed that.

737
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 1: The investigators aren't necessarily looking for the truth anymore, nor

738
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: are the prosecutors trying to say, hey, let's do the

739
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: right thing. They're trying to get a win. They're trying

740
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: to destroy these warriors, and they're over they're going beyond

741
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: the bounds of what is proper and what is legal.

742
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: We see them violating privacy. This is where if you

743
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: look at recently in a Navy case against Chief Gallagher,

744
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: where again people have different view is about that case,

745
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day. The one thing

746
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: that's not in question is that the prosecutors used spywear

747
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: spy where they spied on the defense attorney, invading the

748
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: attorney client privilege. That's a criminal offense. You're allowed to

749
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: tell your attorney whatever it is you want, and your

750
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: attorney can discuss with you your strategy and all the rest.

751
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: That's privileged information. And so if that's violated, well then

752
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: the individual that violates that, the prosecutor that violates that,

753
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: by God, they should be held accountable. What happened nothing,

754
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: They were pulled off the case, but there was no action.

755
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, they received medals. I mean,

756
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: and this is where the president steps in says, hey,

757
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: you're not getting medals, but no, Andy, when crazy? Why

758
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: is the president stepping in first? Because he can. He's

759
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: the ultimate convening authority, He's the commander in chief. He

760
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 1: can move in whichever realm of the military he wants.

761
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: That's why he's elected. He's an elected civilian individual to

762
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: protect the constitution throughout the military. But quite frankly, he

763
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: didn't go for enough. He should have held people accountable

764
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: for these actions. We see prosecutors deliberately silencing forensic experts, well,

765
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: forensic experts are saying, hey, guess what, and he understand

766
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: in count that very You know, are's a lot of

767
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 1: times you just don't even have the body. But in

768
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: first Lieutenant Behenna's case, for example, you actually had the

769
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: body personally had Tenant Behnna just so you know. It's

770
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: one of the warriors that was pardoned by President Trump

771
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: early on and everybody went crazy, oh, he's a murderer. Well,

772
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: the forensic expert actually got a chance to evaluate the

773
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: body and said no, they behn him, said that he

774
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: acted in self defense and the wounds on the body

775
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: are consistent with his story. Now this was the prosecutor's expert.

776
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: What they do, well, they fired him. They fired that expert,

777
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: and they hid the information. That's criminal. And when that

778
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: information and that expert came forward and said hey, none

779
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: of this information came to trial, the appeals court said,

780
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 1: well it doesn't matter, because you know that he acted

781
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 1: inappropriately and he no longer had a right to self defense.

782
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: That's breaking insane. Our warriors never give up their right

783
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: to self defense, period, even if they are acting inappropriate.

784
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: You do not lose your right to self defense. But

785
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: that still happened, and behind it was still found guilty.

786
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until the president came along to pardon

787
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: of that that got fixed. We see enemy combatants were

788
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: identified as civilians, where all of a sudden, there's a

789
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: warrior that's held accountable for killing civilians. And yet our

790
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: organization UEP dot org funds investigators going to Afghanistan looking

791
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: into the government, the US government's databases to track down

792
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 1: the biometrics, talking about bigger prints, talking about skin cells

793
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: that are retrieved from I d s, talking about DNA,

794
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, what happens whoa wait a second,

795
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: those civilians their enemy combatants. And yet when that im

796
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: ation is brought to appeal, the government says, oh, we're

797
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: not going to dive into the quote abyss of biometric

798
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Watch crime scene c s I.

799
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: This is how cases are frecking solved. And that's the

800
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: irony is that if these warriors, these honorable individuals who

801
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: stand up and raise their hand to support and defend

802
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: the constitution of the United States, if those individuals who

803
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: are now being accused of murder or whatever crime, if

804
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: they happen to have been criminals with long standing rap

805
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: sheets who are sitting on death row, and the Innocence

806
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: Project or a c LU came along and said, oh, helloa, there,

807
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: this individual's rights were violated. There was an infringement here.

808
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: We found some DNA evidence that exonerates them. Guess what,

809
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: you'd have people screaming from the left side of the

810
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: aisle saying get that person off death row, and yet

811
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: for some reason, we don't have those same individuals screaming

812
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: it nearly as loud, or even paying attention or supporting

813
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: the fact that our military should have those same rights.

814
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: It's a bizarre phenomena that that are most trusted and

815
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 1: respected entity to our United States military, our warriors aren't

816
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: receiving the same defense of their rights that that a

817
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: criminal with an extensive criminal record would have. What do

818
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: you think that's a great question. I think we need

819
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: to go into uh psychological evaluations of people who hate

820
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: the military and it would probably find many different reasons

821
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: for it. But at the end of the day, there

822
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: is a a stigma against people who serve in the military.

823
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: There's a perception that, you know, they couldn't have done

824
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: anything else in their life, that's all they had to

825
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: do so, or they were tripped into serving the mill

826
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: in the military because you know, you get all these benefits,

827
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 1: and you know, for example, I get these conversations all

828
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: all the time, and then when people find out that

829
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: I actually attended Harvard Business School, they're like, oh, wait,

830
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: I thought you were in the military. Yes, and I

831
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: served twenty five years as an officer of United States Marines.

832
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: Like people have trouble making sense of that. When I'm

833
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: back in New York, they can't fathom it. So the

834
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: perception many times is that these military guys, you know,

835
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: they're they're dumb guys anyway, and you know what, they've

836
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 1: probably committed other crimes anyway, So now they just got

837
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: caught and and and it's just there is one of

838
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: the It's just this sad situation where we have in

839
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: our country this divided perspective of our war fighters. And

840
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: I wish I knew the answer as to why it was.

841
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: But I've tried to get people left leaning to understand,

842
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: and they will not get behind this concept that our

843
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: warriors deserve to have their rights preserved as well. That's

844
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: very unfortunate, and to be honest, at this craze because

845
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: if you think it's a it's an irony. I mean,

846
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: people who defend the constitution are treated, are perceived like that.

847
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: You and I agree, Stavos, and and I'll tell you

848
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that don't think like that,

849
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: thank God. And as such, you know, we get donations

850
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: from people across the country who they come out and

851
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: they say, look, we must give our warriors the benefit

852
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: of the doubt, especially when you look at these guys,

853
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: when you look at Danny, Josh and Eric, these these individuals.

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Speaker 1: First of all, they're highly educated, highly trained, incredible family

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Speaker 1: people who you know, they everything about them. They're well

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Speaker 1: balanced individuals. These are not guys who are looking to

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Speaker 1: get into troubled as and as all the videotape show,

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Speaker 1: they were looking for ways to stay out of trouble.

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Speaker 1: They tried to avoid confrontations. They said, hey, I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna get into a fight in a bar. Then went

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Speaker 1: outside and said, look, we don't want to fight. This

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Speaker 1: is New Year's let's stop this ridiculousness. And then even

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Speaker 1: after that, instead of walking away from the individual who's

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Speaker 1: laying on the ground, said hold on a second, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna do the right thing at the right time. Even look,

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Speaker 1: this guy may have acted inappropriately, he may be a

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Speaker 1: jerk in this time, but you know what, he's our

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Speaker 1: jerk and we're not gonna leave them alone. That's an

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Speaker 1: honorable individual. You try and find a gang banger in Detroit, Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: or some other city across the United States who would say, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I just knocked someone out. I just

872
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Speaker 1: we're playing a knockout game. I just knocked someone out.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, we should might pick him up

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Speaker 1: and make sure he's okay, not happening. That's not who

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Speaker 1: we're talking about. We're talking about honorable individuals who do

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Speaker 1: the right thing at the right time, for the right reasons,

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Speaker 1: and unfortunately get caught up by over zealous prosecutors and

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Speaker 1: commanders who do not have the strength to step up

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Speaker 1: and do the right thing. As well. As a matter

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Speaker 1: of fact, one of the leadership principles the United States

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Speaker 1: Marine Corps to ensure that we look out for our

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Speaker 1: warriors well being. It's lookout for your marines welfare. And

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Speaker 1: this is where when something like this happens, you have

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Speaker 1: to give the benefits of the doubt. Because all of

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Speaker 1: these people have been screened from enlisting to going through

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Speaker 1: all of their professional service schools on throughout into these

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Speaker 1: special operations organizations. Our special operators are some of the

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Speaker 1: best of the best. They deserve to have their the

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Speaker 1: presumption of innocence, and it didn't happen with these guys.

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Speaker 1: How can I can I readers support up? Thank you Stalbos,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you asking. There's a few different ways. The

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Speaker 1: primary way is going to our website at u AP

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Speaker 1: dot org learning more about the organization. Certainly, we're more

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Speaker 1: than happy to take donations. We encourage donations. Every little

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Speaker 1: bit helps. We have some donors that donate ten tho

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Speaker 1: dollars a year. We have others that donate twenty dollars

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Speaker 1: every month. Whatever anybody can do is obviously appreciated because

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Speaker 1: we have a tough job of informing our elected officials,

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Speaker 1: paying the exorbitant prices for all these legal expenses that

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Speaker 1: come in for all these warriors, and then also helping

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Speaker 1: with reintegration if somebody's gone from the battlefield in incarcerating

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Speaker 1: them back out. But we also have a couple of

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Speaker 1: events coming up. We've got a shooting event. As a

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, we're gonna have two of our raiders

905
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Speaker 1: out there teaching individuals how to fire fully automatic weapons.

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Speaker 1: So people go to UAP dot org they can see

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Speaker 1: this shoot full automatic weapons with our warriors, attend those events.

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Speaker 1: We've got a NASCAR we're putting on the track. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's all the U A P. Nascar. If people want

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Speaker 1: to get some sort of sponsorship on there for five

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Speaker 1: dollars right now, people can put a sticker on there.

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Speaker 1: We have all that information on our website and again

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Speaker 1: any little bit helps. But following us on Facebook and

914
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Speaker 1: seeing the information that we're putting out all the time,

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Speaker 1: the more people are aware, better off and if I

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Speaker 1: can stop us. Just to put this into a little

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Speaker 1: bit of perspective, that it took this organization three years

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Speaker 1: to get me on board, because you know, I mean

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Speaker 1: United States Marine prior listed, I've served in combat a

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Speaker 1: few times. And when one of the board members, who

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Speaker 1: I've known since I was a second lieutenant, invited me

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Speaker 1: to be involved and he started telling me about the organization,

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Speaker 1: I said, there was absolutely no way that I would

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Speaker 1: get on board and organization that's supporting murderers who committed

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Speaker 1: war crimes. I mean, these guys were in my mind,

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Speaker 1: they were a disgrace to all of us who served

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Speaker 1: honorably in combat. And it took them three years and

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Speaker 1: this one individual, Lieutenant Colonel Bob Winman, Great Warrior, to

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Speaker 1: finally sit down and talk through the details of a

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Speaker 1: case with me for me to actually get it. And

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Speaker 1: once I got it, it's almost like the matrix. Once

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Speaker 1: you see the truth, you can't turn away that these individuals,

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Speaker 1: they're not warriors. They've been railroaded, they've had their rights violated.

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Speaker 1: And that's the importance of this organization. And so I've

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Speaker 1: been on board almost two years now and I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you each case, I find out more and more, and

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Speaker 1: I keep seeing things and you start seeing patterns, and

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Speaker 1: this is where those patterns have to be addressed. So

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Speaker 1: not only are we addressing them at the tactical level

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Speaker 1: and at the operational level with the funding, but we've

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Speaker 1: taken it to the st. TJIC level in that we've

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Speaker 1: helped to establish a Rights for Warriors Caucus, which is

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Speaker 1: now headed up by Congressman Louie Gomer and he and

944
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Speaker 1: about seven other congressmen right now continue to fight for

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Speaker 1: our warriors rights. So this is another way that those

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Speaker 1: people who are listening right now. Contact your congressman and

947
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Speaker 1: asked them why they're not on this board. Why aren't

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Speaker 1: why they not on this caucus. Why aren't they helping

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Speaker 1: to support the rights of our warriors and get them involved?

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Speaker 1: And I think that's a broad scope on ways that

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Speaker 1: people can actually get involved. You heard the man. You

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Speaker 1: should go call your congressman and try change to change

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Speaker 1: these and visit you AP dot org tell them on

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for coming on the boards. It

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Speaker 1: was an honor on time on Target outstand it used

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