Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome the inside the studio on iHeart Radio.
Speaker 1: My name is Jordan runt Hog, But enough about me.
Speaker 1: My guest today hails from the great state of Texas.
Speaker 1: She first exploded on streaming platforms with dancy anthems like
Speaker 1: pretty Girl and Obsessed, but her new EP is something
Speaker 1: very different, called Paranoia. It's dark and twisted, brimming with
Speaker 1: intensity and anxiety, and I mean that in the best way.
Speaker 1: She's traded the electro pop of prior work for fuzzed
Speaker 1: out electric guitar and heavy drums, which matched the gritty
Speaker 1: mood of tracks like Knife under My Pillow, Scissor Hands,
Speaker 1: and Loner. She's a horror movie fan in case you
Speaker 1: haven't guessed, but the songs also come from a deeply
Speaker 1: personal place. She says that the tracks are more authentically
Speaker 1: her than anything she's released to date. With Paranoia, she's
Speaker 1: revealed her true self as one of the most exciting
Speaker 1: alternative artists out there. I'm so happy to welcome Maggie Lindeman.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks so much of taking the time. I
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Yeah, of course, no, thank you. Before
Speaker 1: we start, I gotta ask, how are you gotta do
Speaker 1: the quarantine chicken feeling good, happy, healthy. Yeah, I'm doing good.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm definitely very over quarantine, but I'm doing good.
Speaker 1: I'm good. You recently released your first DP, Paranoia as
Speaker 1: a high strung guy who just lived through. This title
Speaker 1: resonates with me immensely. I wanted to know what does
Speaker 1: it mean for you? Where did that title come from? Um?
Speaker 1: So I started writing this cpnto those nineteen and in
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen two nineteen, I lived in this house
Speaker 1: and I was always so paranoid. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I just like in big spaces where there's a lot
Speaker 1: of rooms or just like a lot of spaces, I
Speaker 1: get really paranoid, and like Knife under my pillows obviously
Speaker 1: about like my paranoia that I was feeling at the time.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I just felt like it was
Speaker 1: like a really recurring theme in my life. So, um,
Speaker 1: I actually had a different title at first, and I
Speaker 1: just never felt like it was correct. Um. And then
Speaker 1: after writing knife, when I heard the word paranoia, I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, that's perfect it. I mean, I also
Speaker 1: read your big horror movie fans, so may maybe the
Speaker 1: way maybe that probably doesn't help. Yeah, No, it definitely
Speaker 1: doesn't help. In one interview, you summed up the sound
Speaker 1: of the EP as in three words, pop, rock, and crazy,
Speaker 1: which I love all of that. I was wondering if
Speaker 1: you could elaborate more on on the sounds. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's like, I don't know, it's like alternative rock,
Speaker 1: but it's also pop and um, I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: just like crazy because I don't know. It's like nothing
Speaker 1: I've done before, and it's just super different and I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's like the lyrics are really some of
Speaker 1: the lyrics are like sad or you know, darker, but
Speaker 1: then the sound around it is like exciting and fun
Speaker 1: and upbeat. So it's cool because it's like even the
Speaker 1: sad songs aren't like sad songs. Yeah, I was gonna
Speaker 1: ask you. The sound is so different from some of
Speaker 1: the more dance pop stuff from a few years back,
Speaker 1: like Pretty Girl and Obsessed. Like what made you sort
Speaker 1: of decide to switch it up and go down this
Speaker 1: root was sort of the heavier drums and electric guitars
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Well, when I first started making music,
Speaker 1: well when i've very first started making music, I was
Speaker 1: making like alternative pop music and I wanted to go
Speaker 1: in an even more alternative lane with my music. But
Speaker 1: you know, being so young in an industry and not
Speaker 1: really knowing anything about yourself yet or like who you are,
Speaker 1: like what you want to do, and only knowing you
Speaker 1: want to make music. You know, when someone's like, no,
Speaker 1: you should do this, you're kind of just like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: Like I'm down. Um. So I was kind of just
Speaker 1: down to do it. And I felt like at the
Speaker 1: time it was fun, but it very quickly got to
Speaker 1: a point where I just wasn't enjoying singing the songs,
Speaker 1: and I just wasn't enjoying like performing, and it just
Speaker 1: always felt like there was like a disconnect between me
Speaker 1: and my music. So I grew up listening to rock
Speaker 1: and pop punk, and my whole family is a rock family,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, there's just something about rock music
Speaker 1: that is just so different for me and listening and
Speaker 1: performing now, it's just there's just like a clear nine
Speaker 1: and day difference of how I feel now the music
Speaker 1: I'm making. Do you feel that women entering the USIC
Speaker 1: industry sort of automatically get shoved in the more of
Speaker 1: a pop laying off the bat, It's like it's almost
Speaker 1: a given, which I always found really strange. I mean,
Speaker 1: was it sort of hard to be like, no, I
Speaker 1: want to rock, I want to scream, like the track Gaslight,
Speaker 1: for example, which has those those screams you or was
Speaker 1: that because I know it's a collaboration with Sick Brain.
Speaker 1: Those are sick that Sick Brain. Oh my god, that's
Speaker 1: an amazing song. I mean, just the passion in it
Speaker 1: is so great. Tell me more about that song. It's
Speaker 1: a kiss off song, it's a breakup song. Tell me
Speaker 1: more about that track. So Man, Sick Brain are best
Speaker 1: friends in real life. So I one day it was
Speaker 1: just like, dude, like I love your music. I've always
Speaker 1: wanted to scream on a song, but like I don't
Speaker 1: know if I ever want to scream, or like if
Speaker 1: I'm ready to do that at least. So I was
Speaker 1: just like, do you want to make a song? And
Speaker 1: she was like, dude, yeah, let's do it. And so
Speaker 1: we went to the studio and like finished the song
Speaker 1: in like two hours. It was really quick. I don't know,
Speaker 1: she's just really talented, and just because we know each
Speaker 1: other so well in real life, I felt like it
Speaker 1: was just like a very natural thing too. Is that
Speaker 1: normal for you to work that quick? Not always I
Speaker 1: feel like lately actually though, Yeah, like I've been working
Speaker 1: really quickly. Um, but other songs like Different took like
Speaker 1: two days to finish, which is like, I think, the
Speaker 1: longest one, but still pretty fast. Yeah it is. I
Speaker 1: mean Different took like two writing days to finish, and
Speaker 1: then like Scissor Hands took like so many days because
Speaker 1: we just kept switching it up so many times. But
Speaker 1: I think, like, in general, yeah, I feel like I
Speaker 1: do write songs pretty fast. I don't know. I feel
Speaker 1: like the teams I work with are always just like
Speaker 1: they know me so well, so we just usually get
Speaker 1: stuffed done really quick. I want to ask you about
Speaker 1: Scissor Hands, I mean just classic movie. I want to know,
Speaker 1: do you relate to that character, this guy taken from
Speaker 1: his home and dropped into this like e really perfect
Speaker 1: place for In my mind, I thought about you leaving
Speaker 1: Texas for for l a like maybe I'm reading too
Speaker 1: much into it, but no, Yeah, I love the story
Speaker 1: behind the movie and I always felt like I related
Speaker 1: to him, just like doing everything for someone that you
Speaker 1: love and then it kind of like sucks you over
Speaker 1: and you like are in this place that you don't
Speaker 1: even want to be. We're kind of like take again
Speaker 1: from and You're like, now you're here, so you've got
Speaker 1: to make the best of it kind of thing. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I always felt like I kind of related
Speaker 1: to him in a lot of ways. And I also
Speaker 1: just like love that movie, and I love aesthetics and everything,
Speaker 1: and I just love the movie. So it's like kind
Speaker 1: of a theme on the album to me was Scissor Hands.
Speaker 1: You also a Loner, which is a song that has
Speaker 1: a message. I feel like we've been hearing a lot
Speaker 1: in the past year with Quarantine and Lockdown with the
Speaker 1: whole like it's okay to not be okay right now,
Speaker 1: you can you can live with those feelings for a moment.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you more about about where that
Speaker 1: song came from for you. Yeah, so I actually wrote
Speaker 1: that song before Quarantine, And it's funny because now it
Speaker 1: makes even more sense. But I actually wrote that song
Speaker 1: like I think December of Seals in nineteen and I
Speaker 1: don't know, I was just feeling I get really bad
Speaker 1: seasonal depression, and I was just feeling really really lonely
Speaker 1: and like, even though I have so many people around
Speaker 1: me that loved me. I was still feeling this like loneliness,
Speaker 1: so I don't know, I wanted to turn it into
Speaker 1: something that wasn't so negative and more of just like
Speaker 1: this positive thing of yeah, I'm a loner, but I
Speaker 1: like it that way. Like I don't know, I feel
Speaker 1: like if you're a loner and you can be by
Speaker 1: yourself and like spend time by yourself, that's actually really
Speaker 1: cool because a lot of people can't spend time with themselves.
Speaker 1: So I know, I just wanted to make it a
Speaker 1: positive What do you get out of songwriting? Is it
Speaker 1: therapeutic for you? How does it How does it make
Speaker 1: you feel better? I'm always curious about pople who are
Speaker 1: sort of blessed with the ability to write, like what
Speaker 1: what it does for them? Yeah, it's really therapeutic. I
Speaker 1: definitely get like relief out of out of sessions. And
Speaker 1: also it's cool because it's like it's like therapy, but
Speaker 1: then you get something cool out of it, and then
Speaker 1: you get to live with it until you're no longer
Speaker 1: like feeling that feeling, which is really cool. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it always makes me feel better when I'm having bad days,
Speaker 1: just to like get it out have you been feeling
Speaker 1: in in Lockdown if you've been feeling creative. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: in the beginning of Lockdown, I was like really not creative,
Speaker 1: Like I really wasn't feeling it, because in the beginning
Speaker 1: I kind of was like, oh, it's not gonna last.
Speaker 1: Like I know, everyone was kind of like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is just going to you know, be like a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks and then we're going to get back to normal.
Speaker 1: So I was kind of on that wave too, And
Speaker 1: in the first couple of weeks, I was just kind
Speaker 1: of vibing because I was like, cool, this is like
Speaker 1: a break and I just get to like stay at
Speaker 1: home with my boyfriend like watch movies all the time,
Speaker 1: which was really cool at first. But then I realized
Speaker 1: very quickly that it was gonna last and that I'm
Speaker 1: really bored and like I needed to do something. So
Speaker 1: I think like later on I started getting inspired again,
Speaker 1: and now I'm still like I'm still in the wave
Speaker 1: of it being inspired. So I've been just making so
Speaker 1: much music and Quarantine, Oh that is great too. That
Speaker 1: was always going to ask you too, Are you more
Speaker 1: inspired by looking inward at yourself and your emotions or
Speaker 1: looking outward and more observational or both or a mix
Speaker 1: of both. Definitely looking inward. I write everything about stuff
Speaker 1: that's going on with me. Sometimes I'll try to write
Speaker 1: stuff that's like I always ask like when I don't
Speaker 1: have something to talk about it into session, I'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: what do you guys going through right now? But I
Speaker 1: don't know. I always feel like writing about myself. It's
Speaker 1: just more I don't know, I feel like more of
Speaker 1: a connection. Obviously. What is your your recording process been
Speaker 1: like in the last year or so in Lockdown, has
Speaker 1: been a home studio set up or like a Zoom
Speaker 1: situation or Yeah, So at the beginning of Quarantine, I
Speaker 1: had my home studio set up, so I was like
Speaker 1: recording everything and then sending it. But then I would
Speaker 1: start to like I was, I'm still doing Zoom sessions,
Speaker 1: like I've only been really doing Zoom sessions. But then
Speaker 1: like I have my one producer, like I'll go to
Speaker 1: and record something with him if we want to get it,
Speaker 1: like you know, crisp and something good but it's not
Speaker 1: your fault and crash and burn where songs I did
Speaker 1: on Zoom sessions, And then I went in and recorded them,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of different with everyone like obviously like
Speaker 1: still respecting COVID and people. It's like, you know, boundaries
Speaker 1: and everything with everything going on. And on the CP
Speaker 1: you started co producing I think Different, the track Different
Speaker 1: you co produced. How how's that experience been for you
Speaker 1: having more more control over over the sound and just
Speaker 1: in all of that, it was cool. I was really
Speaker 1: involved in the production process of this EP because I
Speaker 1: was so obviously coming from like pop music. I really
Speaker 1: wanted to make it perfect and like make sense, and
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just had so many influences that
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring in, so it's different. Different was
Speaker 1: actually the first song we made on the EP, and
Speaker 1: I don't know, I was just like so on top
Speaker 1: of that production because that was like the first song,
Speaker 1: so that was going to set the tone for everything
Speaker 1: else that I was doing. So me and Cody just
Speaker 1: worked on that production for like so long, and he
Speaker 1: just helped me and taught me like certain words and
Speaker 1: like what to do, and yeah, he's really helpful. And
Speaker 1: that's track was written if I'm wrong, like after a
Speaker 1: pretty freaky experience when you were in Malaysia during a
Speaker 1: concert and the concert was like shut down midway through.
Speaker 1: How much of that experience was played a role in
Speaker 1: the creation of Yeah, definitely when I when I got back,
Speaker 1: like I was just really experiencing a lot of emotions
Speaker 1: and feelings and so different was the first song I wrote.
Speaker 1: And I wrote it like a week after I got back,
Speaker 1: I think, And I don't know it was it was
Speaker 1: just is really helpful for me to like get in
Speaker 1: the studio and release everything I was feeling and talk
Speaker 1: about it with people that, like, you know, we're helping
Speaker 1: me and just like helping me also be creative, because
Speaker 1: they really did stump me for a while, so it
Speaker 1: was cool to get back in and do that. What
Speaker 1: do you like to do when you're not making music
Speaker 1: to stay to stay grounded in this last year thanks
Speaker 1: to watch or yoga or meditation or what's your favorite
Speaker 1: way to onlines when it's not music. I've been playing
Speaker 1: a lot of video games lately, Like I always played
Speaker 1: video games, but over Quarantine, I've definitely been playing more,
Speaker 1: Like I got a monitor and everything, So video games
Speaker 1: for sure, What are you playing? I play Call of
Speaker 1: Duty and then I play like Yes, and then I
Speaker 1: play games like Stranded Deep and like weird games like
Speaker 1: survival games. Oh my god, that's so funny. I just
Speaker 1: got into my old and sixty four that I haven't
Speaker 1: played in you know what, fifteen years or something like that,
Speaker 1: which is like doing like well Mario Karts. It's funny
Speaker 1: the things that we like grab onto in times of stress,
Speaker 1: like which is this year is undoubtedly band. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've been listening to music I haven't listened to since
Speaker 1: high nineties and stuff. Yeah, what have you been listening to?
Speaker 1: I've been listening to so much I feel like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely got back into a lot of music that
Speaker 1: I forgot about, like songs I just completely forgot about.
Speaker 1: And also I've been listening to like new people to
Speaker 1: like war Orgasm. I found over Quarantine and I love
Speaker 1: war Orgasm like they're so sick. Don't listen to a
Speaker 1: lot of them. I want to ask you more about
Speaker 1: horror movies, like are you like what are some of
Speaker 1: your favorites of those? Um, I wish I love like
Speaker 1: early two thousand's horror movies like I know what you
Speaker 1: did last summer, But I also love like I don't
Speaker 1: know why, but I'm this is probably like why I'm paranoid.
Speaker 1: But I'm really into like gory horror movies because I
Speaker 1: feel like sometimes just scary like pop ups and stuff
Speaker 1: don't scare me. Like I need to watch like Green
Speaker 1: infer Now and like that's and like then I'll be scared.
Speaker 1: You know, did you ever watch a Stir of Echoes?
Speaker 1: It's like kind of a weird I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think it's from like it's like a late nineties,
Speaker 1: like in that era, like late nineties, earliest two thousand's
Speaker 1: golden era of horror movie stuff. I think it was
Speaker 1: with Kevin Bacon. I remember seeing it. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: it a long time, but I remember seeing it as
Speaker 1: a kid. And then I get in high school and
Speaker 1: it scared me just as much when I was in
Speaker 1: high school as it did when I was a little kid.
Speaker 1: It was like truly terrifying. I need to watch it.
Speaker 1: I recommend it. I have a goofy question for you,
Speaker 1: what is a paranoia that you have that you can
Speaker 1: laugh at? Like for me? For whatever reason, I have
Speaker 1: no idea why I am petrified of dead fish like fish,
Speaker 1: I'm fine with dead fish for some reason, like absolutely
Speaker 1: terrified of dead fish. I was wondering what what you're
Speaker 1: sort of funny fear is. I'm absolutely terrified at the
Speaker 1: ocean in general. So I feel you. But what is
Speaker 1: something I'm weirdly paranoid about. I don't know. I'm like always,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like a rational fear, but I'm
Speaker 1: always scared there's like someone in my car. I like
Speaker 1: when I'm driving, like I'll always check in my back
Speaker 1: before I even get in the car, Like as i'm
Speaker 1: getting in, like I'll just peek in there. But like
Speaker 1: while I'm driving, I like like I'll like throw my
Speaker 1: arm back there and just like make sure no one's
Speaker 1: back there, even though I've already checked, like where they
Speaker 1: going to come from, you know, But I always do that.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I totally feel that. I got
Speaker 1: I've been living in New York for many, many, many
Speaker 1: years since college, and I just now, in the past
Speaker 1: couple of months, got my first car, and so I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm not used to parking a car on the street,
Speaker 1: used to it, and so every time I get in,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I feel the same way. I
Speaker 1: totally feel. Yeah, I do, like the car sweep might
Speaker 1: make sure no one's in there. You've been obviously keeping
Speaker 1: incredibly busy during quarantine me not only making music, but
Speaker 1: you also started a podcast. I wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: more about about that and how that's going. It's good.
Speaker 1: I love doing it just because I like to talk,
Speaker 1: Like if it's not me talking to myself, like I
Speaker 1: just face time people and I like need to talk
Speaker 1: to someone. Just have so much energy. So it's cool
Speaker 1: because with the podcast, like I'm just talking and then
Speaker 1: like people will listen. So it's been really cool. I
Speaker 1: need to people always tell me, like I need to
Speaker 1: be more on it because I just get so sidetracked.
Speaker 1: But I just made a new one and I'm going
Speaker 1: to do like a series about my EP so that'll
Speaker 1: be really cool. That's coming up at some point. Keep
Speaker 1: an ear up for that. I've also read the ear
Speaker 1: in the midst of working on an LP. What's What's
Speaker 1: were you in the process with that? Um, I don't
Speaker 1: I'm just I don't know. I'm just like I already
Speaker 1: started it, but we're just kind of in the beginning
Speaker 1: processes of it. But yeah, I don't know. It's just
Speaker 1: something that I really want to do. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into it. How do you
Speaker 1: feel that you've changed as an artist and a creative
Speaker 1: since since since starting your music career in I don't know,
Speaker 1: I felt really different obviously, Like I'm older. That was crazy,
Speaker 1: that was how many years ago? Like six years ago
Speaker 1: at this point. So I started when I was sixteen
Speaker 1: and I'm twenty two now, and I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just feel like as an artist and just like as
Speaker 1: a person, I've just grown so much, and there's so
Speaker 1: many things that I've learned and experienced and and like
Speaker 1: my artistry and just who I am as a person.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's just such a dramatic change, like
Speaker 1: a positive change. But I don't know, I feel like
Speaker 1: everything is just better now for me, Like I'm way
Speaker 1: more confident in what I'm doing, and like I love
Speaker 1: the music I'm making and I'm excited about it, and like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm like genuinely happy doing it now.
Speaker 1: So it's cool. What else does one look like for you?
Speaker 1: What can fans look forward to? Well, I hope that
Speaker 1: we're able to tour again, but I mean, obviously I
Speaker 1: don't that's not you know, we don't know, but I
Speaker 1: really want to tour. I really want to do like
Speaker 1: live shows, even if that's like over a live stream.
Speaker 1: I really want to do some more stuff with slicks,
Speaker 1: like some more drops um, which I'm going to do,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I want to do some giveaway stuff.
Speaker 1: I want to just do some stuff that I can
Speaker 1: interact with fans more. It's so hard right now because
Speaker 1: we can't go anywhere, but I really want to do
Speaker 1: more stuffs. Was gonna say, what is filling that space
Speaker 1: that that touring had? You mean, how are you you
Speaker 1: Staying in touch with fans is mostly live streams and
Speaker 1: through social media for you, Yeah, through social media, and
Speaker 1: then I'm like streaming on Twitch now, so like I
Speaker 1: get to talk to people on there because I hate
Speaker 1: streaming on Instagram live, so I do it on Twitch.
Speaker 1: I don't know, just like keeping up on my Instagram
Speaker 1: and like interacting with people and doing it that way,
Speaker 1: which is it's so cool. But touring is just like
Speaker 1: a different experience. Hopefully get you back out there soon, Mike.
Speaker 1: My last question has been my last question for everybody
Speaker 1: I've talked to in the last year, and it's been
Speaker 1: really interesting to hear everybody's very different answers. If you
Speaker 1: can snap your fingers and if everything go back to normal,
Speaker 1: whatever your definition of normal is, say this time in
Speaker 1: what would be the first thing that you would do?
Speaker 1: Either places you'd go to, eat people, you'd hug, trips,
Speaker 1: you'd take. What would be the first thing that you
Speaker 1: would do? Um, I would definitely go to a club,
Speaker 1: like a packed club, disgusting club. And then after that
Speaker 1: club or before that club, I would go to a
Speaker 1: concert in the pit and be next to sweaty people.
Speaker 1: And I just want to be around people, and I
Speaker 1: want to be at concerts and I just want to
Speaker 1: be out. So about it. I'm such like social, like
Speaker 1: I love to be out. So quarantine is definitely like
Speaker 1: getting to me. I gotta ask, you're at the club,
Speaker 1: what song comes on? What are you dancing too? Oh
Speaker 1: my god? The club I used to go to, they're
Speaker 1: always playing like some throwback music. I know they will
Speaker 1: always play like open Oh yeah, honestly anything. I'll dance
Speaker 1: absolutely anything. They can play anything right now, and I'll
Speaker 1: dance to it as long as I can be at
Speaker 1: the club. Well, throw a little dance party in your
Speaker 1: living room for now, and hopefully we'll get you back. Thanky,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time today. It's been
Speaker 1: such a pleasure. Yeah, of course, thank you so much
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