WEBVTT - TEETH: Dental Evolution and Marching Molars

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of

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<v Speaker 1>I Heart Radio's How Stuff Works. Hey, you welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff to Blow your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Joe McCormick. And if you've been listening to

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<v Speaker 1>the show, you know we just had our friend Katie

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<v Speaker 1>Golden from Creature feature on. I think it was the

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<v Speaker 1>episode right before this one where we talked about teeth

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<v Speaker 1>with with Katie and that was a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>But Robert, I couldn't stop thinking about teeth. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, teeth are weird. Teeth are wonderful and strange

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<v Speaker 1>and grotesque. I was actually just at the dentist yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>for a checkup, and I just kept thinking about just

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<v Speaker 1>how weird it is that that I just regularly go

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<v Speaker 1>to this place and pay another human being to reach

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<v Speaker 1>into my mouth with special instruments and clean my weird

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<v Speaker 1>bone like jaw protutions the outside bones, outside bones. Never forget,

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<v Speaker 1>your teeth are outside bones. Their bones that you wash.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's that's from Kimmy Schmidt, right. Yeah. Titus Syndromedon

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<v Speaker 1>sings that song. I think he's auditioning for like a

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<v Speaker 1>chewing gum commercial. But he's actually wrong. I'm sorry to say,

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<v Speaker 1>despite how much I love that moment from the show,

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<v Speaker 1>teeth are not outside bones. They are not bones at all.

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<v Speaker 1>They're a totally different things. We can explain that in

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<v Speaker 1>a minute. But yeah, yeah, I mean, well, let's go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and get into it. So, yeah, our teeth are

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<v Speaker 1>bone like in many respects. Uh yeah, but they are

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<v Speaker 1>not bones. So just for an example, bones are composed

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<v Speaker 1>of calcium, phosphorus, sodium, and other minerals. Uh And but

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<v Speaker 1>mostly it's the protein collagen that forms the living, growing

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<v Speaker 1>collagen framework in bones. Bones have impressive regenerative powers. You

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<v Speaker 1>break a bone, it can even like a really vicious

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<v Speaker 1>break of a bone, and it can heal back. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>bone marrow produces red and white blood cells. Teeth do

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<v Speaker 1>not have bone marrow. Instead, they have dental pulp. So teeth,

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<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, are you know, they're composed of calcium,

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<v Speaker 1>phosphorus and other minerals. They're harder than any bone that

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<v Speaker 1>we have in the body. Yeah, but they also lack

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<v Speaker 1>the regenerative powers of bones. So if you crack or

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<v Speaker 1>break a tooth, you're gonna need at least a root canal,

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<v Speaker 1>if not a total extraction. That is kind of strange,

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<v Speaker 1>that seems. I wonder what the the evolutionary reason for

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<v Speaker 1>that is. I would expect, you know, there would be

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<v Speaker 1>a strong pressure on the ability to regenerate teeth. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it depends on how this really gets into like the

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<v Speaker 1>bigger questions of of biological mortality, right, like what do

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<v Speaker 1>you need your teeth for? How long are you going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a viable organism? How long do you need

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<v Speaker 1>to live, you know, in order to accomplish your genetic

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<v Speaker 1>mission of you know, reproduction, uh and so forth, and

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, the evolution isn't really concerned with long

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<v Speaker 1>term dental health beyond that point. Well maybe yeah, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we don't need teeth because um, well for one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not like sharks, right, we're not just like biting

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<v Speaker 1>indiscriminately into whole organisms and you know, cross bones and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. We we tend to if we're eating

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<v Speaker 1>an animal, we kill it before we start biting into it. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, you you would be able to have

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<v Speaker 1>the time to seek out the soft parts to bite into,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you're not using your teeth in a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like violent, fast moving kind of way like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of other organisms would yeah, and and it really

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<v Speaker 1>drives home one of the key and I guess kind

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<v Speaker 1>of obvious things that we're gonna we're gonna touch on

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<v Speaker 1>here and there is that as as organisms evolve, their

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<v Speaker 1>teeth are going to change to meet the demands of

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<v Speaker 1>their diet. And if if you're if you do not

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<v Speaker 1>need your robust teeth of old anymore, well, those those

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<v Speaker 1>teeth are going to change, and you're gonna end up

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<v Speaker 1>with a dental model that is going to be more

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<v Speaker 1>in keeping with what you're actually going to use your

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<v Speaker 1>choppers for. It's funny. You could think of teeth in

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<v Speaker 1>a way as a form of convergent evolution. So like

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<v Speaker 1>the same way that you see uh wings evolving independently

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<v Speaker 1>in different lines of animals. It's not that everything on

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<v Speaker 1>Earth that has wings evolved from a common winged ancestor.

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<v Speaker 1>So wings arose in one case in insects, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they separately arose in you know, mammals, They rose in

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<v Speaker 1>bats and stuff, and then they separately arose in the

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<v Speaker 1>dinosaurs that became birds, and then also in the other

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<v Speaker 1>the flying reptiles, right, which are not dinosaurs, but also

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<v Speaker 1>independently evolved wings. Uh. So, so you see winged flight

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<v Speaker 1>evolving over and over despite the fact that all these

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<v Speaker 1>organisms don't come from wings of a common ancestor organism

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<v Speaker 1>that I mean, I guess if you go far back enough,

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<v Speaker 1>they all do have a common ancestor, but it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have wings. Um. And you can see a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>similar thing in different things we call teeth. That you know,

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<v Speaker 1>lots of organisms have an opening of the alimentary track,

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<v Speaker 1>They've got a mouth of some kind or another, and

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<v Speaker 1>it it just often happens to be the case that

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<v Speaker 1>organisms evolved of a need to mash and crush and

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<v Speaker 1>cut things that are going into the front of the

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<v Speaker 1>elementary tract. And that's how you get these different evolutions

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<v Speaker 1>of things that are like teeth. Uh. And there there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of different things you might call teeth,

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<v Speaker 1>and not all are evolutionarily related to the calcified structures

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<v Speaker 1>we see in animals like ourselves. In fact, one great

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<v Speaker 1>example of of a whole different kind of of tooth

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<v Speaker 1>world that I was thinking about just recently is uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It reminds me of this controversy over the mouth of

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<v Speaker 1>a Cambrian predator that I I have been calling Anomala

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<v Speaker 1>carus or Anomala carress. I just found out that some

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<v Speaker 1>people pronounce it anomalacrous, and now now I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>my whole world has been turned on its head. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know which to say, but I think I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>keep saying Anomala carress even if that's wrong, for the

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<v Speaker 1>sake of consistency. This is this is basically, if you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever been to a natural history museum, you've probably seen

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<v Speaker 1>a representation of this. Uh this this pretty historic fish. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, well not a fish, well organism and the

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<v Speaker 1>this long predating fish. So the Cambrian period, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's roughly five hundred million years ago. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the first time in the history and the fossil record

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<v Speaker 1>of Earth where we suddenly see this explosion and diversity

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<v Speaker 1>of animal body forms. You know, before this, there were animals,

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<v Speaker 1>and most of them had soft bodies and leave very

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<v Speaker 1>little records. But there were things like worms of various

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<v Speaker 1>kinds um. But but then suddenly around the Cambrian period,

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<v Speaker 1>you see all these different life forms emerging, and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the life forms have hard shells. This is

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<v Speaker 1>where you see the explosion of trialobytes. It sometimes thought

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<v Speaker 1>of as the age of trialobytes, which are these scuttling

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<v Speaker 1>you know, almost like insect or crab like creatures that

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<v Speaker 1>would move along the bottom of ocean floors and have

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<v Speaker 1>these hard shells on their backs. But Anomala keras or

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<v Speaker 1>anomal ochrous appears to have been the top predator or

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<v Speaker 1>one of the top predators of the Cambrian period, which

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<v Speaker 1>was and it was this lobed swimming predator that grew

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<v Speaker 1>up to about six ft long. And when the fossils

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<v Speaker 1>of Anomala Carras were first discovered, paleontologists thought that they

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<v Speaker 1>were actually looking at two different species because it's a

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<v Speaker 1>mostly soft bodied organism, so its entire body usually doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>get preserved or doesn't get preserved very well. And since

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<v Speaker 1>most of their bodies are these soft parts that don't

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<v Speaker 1>get fossilized, usually there were really only two parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the body that paleontologists kept finding. These two parts were,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, these little pairs of shrimp looking things

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<v Speaker 1>that they would come in pairs, and they would kind

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<v Speaker 1>of have these curved shapes and they, I mean, they

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<v Speaker 1>looked like shrimp shells, that's the best way to put it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's actually where the name of Anomala carus comes from.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh Anomla carus. I mean, you know, anomaly in cars

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<v Speaker 1>means weird shrimp, usual unusual shrimp. So you have these

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<v Speaker 1>pairs of shrimps, and then the other part that they

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<v Speaker 1>would often find would be these circular rings of hard

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<v Speaker 1>looking plates. Now the shrimp looking things, we actually we

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<v Speaker 1>actually figured out that these two different things actually were

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<v Speaker 1>different parts of the same organism, this Cambrian predator, and

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<v Speaker 1>so the shrimp looking things, it turned out, were curly

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<v Speaker 1>we think, feeding tentacles that were on the underside of

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<v Speaker 1>the head. So you'd see this thing swimming along. It's

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<v Speaker 1>got the eyes in the front, and then sort of

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<v Speaker 1>as a mouth, it's got this like, you know, two

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<v Speaker 1>lobed mustache of shrimp tentacles that we think probably could

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like grab things and push them toward the

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<v Speaker 1>mouth parts. And then the mouth parts would be the

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<v Speaker 1>other part that gets fossilized. That ring of plates. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the mouth that's sort of halo of teeth, like a

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<v Speaker 1>tooth lined sphincter of death. I mean, really, that's all

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<v Speaker 1>a mouth is, is that it is the it is

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<v Speaker 1>the anti aanus it's the other the other side of

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<v Speaker 1>the organism. Yeah, just imagine like like an anus that's

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<v Speaker 1>just surrounded by a circle of teeth that moved in word. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>And as we've discussed, we had we did a whole

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<v Speaker 1>at least one whole episode on the evolution of the anus,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course you didn't always have two openings in organisms.

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<v Speaker 1>You had organisms that had to depend on one um

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<v Speaker 1>orifice for both functions. Which is amazing that that we're

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<v Speaker 1>not saying that's the case with no, no, not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just sort of demystifying the difference between the anus

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<v Speaker 1>and the mount. Actually, I don't know for sure whether

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<v Speaker 1>an Almala cars had an anus or not, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pretty sure it had an anus. I had to get

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<v Speaker 1>had some form of venus, right it had. I would

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<v Speaker 1>have to guess it had a one way digestive system, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean those we discussed in those episodes. There are

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<v Speaker 1>organisms that do not or come to not have an anus.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, sometimes an organism in a certain phase of

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<v Speaker 1>its life no longer has to worry with defecating, or

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<v Speaker 1>has come to a situation where it cannot defecate anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll just have to live with it. Yeah, certain

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<v Speaker 1>varieties of scorpion that have lost their anus because their

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<v Speaker 1>anus was on what like a third or fourth segment

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<v Speaker 1>of their tail, which they jettison to escape a predict.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very sad scorpion story. But to the Anomala

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<v Speaker 1>carus mouth, So from what I can tell, there's actually

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<v Speaker 1>still scientific disagreement about those mouth parts, about that sphincter

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<v Speaker 1>of death, about that ring of teeth pointing inward. So

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<v Speaker 1>it has long been assumed that Anomala Carus preyed on

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<v Speaker 1>trial bytes in one way or another. But how right?

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<v Speaker 1>Trial bytes have these really hard protective shells on their backs,

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<v Speaker 1>and some paleontologists thought, well, maybe the Anomala Carus would

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<v Speaker 1>eat them by attacking them right after molting when their

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<v Speaker 1>shells would have been soft, or maybe it would attack

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<v Speaker 1>them by like scooping them up with its little feeding shrimps,

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<v Speaker 1>the feeding tentacles, and then cracking or prying off the

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<v Speaker 1>shell somehow with those rings of plate like teeth in

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<v Speaker 1>the mouth. But I've read criticisms of this model coming

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<v Speaker 1>from the last decade or so, basically saying that some

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<v Speaker 1>current models of the Anomala carus mouth show that it

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<v Speaker 1>just would not have been wrong enough to crack through

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<v Speaker 1>trialobyte shells, and maybe maybe it had to feed on

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<v Speaker 1>soft bodied organisms like jellyfish or worms instead. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if the idea of eating trio bytes right after

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<v Speaker 1>molting would get around this problem. It might or it

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<v Speaker 1>might not. Um So, did the Anomala cars actually have

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<v Speaker 1>this this crushing sphincter of deadly teeth or not? I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if we know the answer to this

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<v Speaker 1>right now. This seems like a still open question. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously it did have these plates, it did have these

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<v Speaker 1>mouth parts, but we don't know how strong its mouth was. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it is just so weird to look at a representation

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<v Speaker 1>of these because it's like it's it's the it's the

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<v Speaker 1>sphincter of death, like you said, but it's also this feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that it's like a teeth. It's like teeth made

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<v Speaker 1>of broken glass. Uh, It's it's very strange to to

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<v Speaker 1>look at. Yeah, it was originally thought when people found

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<v Speaker 1>the mouth parts in isolation, so you'd just be this

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<v Speaker 1>ring of plates and they didn't know it was the

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<v Speaker 1>same organism as the pair of weird shrimps. They I

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<v Speaker 1>think originally thought this might have been some part of

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<v Speaker 1>a like weird old jellyfish. All right, on that note,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to take a quick break, but when we

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<v Speaker 1>come back, we will continue to explore, to explore the

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<v Speaker 1>weird wide world of teeth. So another thing, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we were saying, of course again that teeth are not

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<v Speaker 1>outside bones. As great as the song is, they're not

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<v Speaker 1>bones at all. They're these hardened structures. And one question

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<v Speaker 1>is where do teeth come from? Like what is their

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<v Speaker 1>evolutionary history as we know them? And the current evidence

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<v Speaker 1>indicates that the earliest known teeth evolved and I guess

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<v Speaker 1>this would be different than like the Cambrian sort of mouthplates.

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<v Speaker 1>This would be like teeth in jawed animals. You know, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the earliest known teeth evolved not as adapted bones, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's where you sort of think, right, you think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you had some bone structures and over time

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<v Speaker 1>those evolved into tooth like shapes, so rights of the

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<v Speaker 1>bones would be coming out of the jaw and doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>But actually it looks like the earliest teeth evolved and

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<v Speaker 1>not as adapted bones, but as adapted fish scales. I

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<v Speaker 1>was looking at a paper from Biology Letters in by

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<v Speaker 1>Martin Rookline and Philip C. J. Donohue called roman Dina

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<v Speaker 1>and the Evolutionary Origin of Teeth basically finds evidence from

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<v Speaker 1>a species called roman Dina stalina, which is an extinct plaqueoderm,

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<v Speaker 1>and a plaque aderm is a type of armor plated

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<v Speaker 1>ancestral fish from more than four hundred million years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>One plaque aderm you've probably seen fossils of before, is

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<v Speaker 1>the awesome, the terrifying dunkle Osteus. This is another superstar

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<v Speaker 1>of a sort of a prehistoric creature exhibits and museums. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you look up a dunkle osteous cast or a dunkle

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<v Speaker 1>Osteus skull. I mean it's chomp city just unbelievable, and

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<v Speaker 1>they got huge. Imagine this gigantic fish with this chomp

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<v Speaker 1>city head. It is definitely something out of a movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well, like why we keep making all these

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<v Speaker 1>shark tack movies. They need to make a movie about this.

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<v Speaker 1>You can caught Dunkles, like a monster would be just

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<v Speaker 1>named Dunkles, I like it, or just dunks dunks Dunks

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<v Speaker 1>dunk Dunks, dunk Dunks dunk dunks I'm sorry, okay, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>in the study X ray analysis of fossil remains of

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<v Speaker 1>this fish, again, this is not dunkle Osteus, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a different plaque. DRM Roman Dina Stalina showed that scales

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<v Speaker 1>evolved first the fish. Scales evolved first, and then teeth

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<v Speaker 1>evolved in this line of fish as an adapted type

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<v Speaker 1>of scale cell along a structure called the toothplate. And

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it weird how scales became so many different things

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<v Speaker 1>like bird feathers evolutionarily are adapted from ancestral reptile scales.

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<v Speaker 1>Scales over time grew into these these filaments and things

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<v Speaker 1>that eventually became feathers. But it's also thought that mammal

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<v Speaker 1>fur and mammal hair are adapted from scales of a

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<v Speaker 1>common ancestor. Well, I mean they've they've had time, right,

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's one way to look at it. And it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like teeth or another example here in these fish

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<v Speaker 1>from four million years ago, it looks like teeth are

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of the adaptation of scale cells. Now as

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<v Speaker 1>we uh, you know, we're gonna go ahead and jump

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<v Speaker 1>the time machine and go, you know, go go go

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<v Speaker 1>forward in time here, and you know, it's easy to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of fall into the trap of thinking, okay, certainly,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when we get into mammal teeth, we're basically talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the same scenario in any given organism, right, I mean, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you're your dog's teeth don't look quite like human teeth,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are a lot of parallels. A cow's teeth

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<v Speaker 1>don't look exactly like a dog's teeth, but there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of parallels, you know. But then again, as

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<v Speaker 1>we know from our conversation with Katie, I mean, beaver

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<v Speaker 1>teeth just chuck the boat over, right, And another one

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<v Speaker 1>that really checks the boat over are the are the

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<v Speaker 1>teeth of elephants. And they're extinct ken um, because when

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<v Speaker 1>when you look at an elephant or a mastodon or

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<v Speaker 1>a mammoth, first of all, they're polyphiodonts rather than uh, diffidants,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning that they're psych They cycle through teeth their entire

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<v Speaker 1>life rather than depending on a mere two sets of teeth,

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<v Speaker 1>So more kind of like sharks to an extent. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>like with a human, you have you have two sets.

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<v Speaker 1>You got that first set, those baby teeth, and you

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<v Speaker 1>get those adults set. Uh, the adult teeth, and you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to make that adult set last because those are

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that are supposed to take you to the grave. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>With the elephant is a different scenario. There's still a

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<v Speaker 1>limited number of teeth. It's not just teeth forever, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's but it's also just a totally different um

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<v Speaker 1>like way that they grow. So you have long ridges

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<v Speaker 1>of teeth that move not from bottom to top, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like when when you think of like a a child,

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<v Speaker 1>a young child about their their their they lose their

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<v Speaker 1>baby teeth and than those adult teeth grow up out

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<v Speaker 1>of the job like down down in the jaw and

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<v Speaker 1>then they load up to the yeah or or down

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, they come down and they come up

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<v Speaker 1>out of the jaw right. Well, it's great to see

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<v Speaker 1>those like cross sections of the jawbone that the baby

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<v Speaker 1>teeth still in there is disgusting. It's like, how could

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<v Speaker 1>you ever look at a child the same way again?

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<v Speaker 1>But with elephants, you have long ridges of teeth that

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<v Speaker 1>move from back to front along upper and lower in jaws, lowly,

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<v Speaker 1>slowly wearing into a shelf at the front as the

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<v Speaker 1>roots are absorbed. So segments of the warranteeth in these

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<v Speaker 1>teeth are are oblong looking things too, So basically they

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<v Speaker 1>just move out of the back of the jaw along

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<v Speaker 1>to the front of the jaw and then they break

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<v Speaker 1>off in sections, sort of like a pez dispenser or

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<v Speaker 1>one way I like to think of it. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a toblarown bar. Each elephant tooth or

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<v Speaker 1>masted on tooth is a tobleroom bar that gets worn

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<v Speaker 1>down and as it reaches the front, segments of that

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<v Speaker 1>toblar room bar just fall out, and then in the

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<v Speaker 1>back of the jaw, fresh teeth are growing out, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, growing out of roughly the same place you know,

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<v Speaker 1>where your wisdom teeth would be located. So this alone

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<v Speaker 1>is crazy. You know, most animals have vertically grown choppers,

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<v Speaker 1>but elephants and the kin of elephants essentially have six

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<v Speaker 1>sets of molars that that replace over time. So basically

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<v Speaker 1>the way the cycle goes is that, uh, they have

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<v Speaker 1>you know, one set of molars at birth um and

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<v Speaker 1>they keep those for about they lose those after two years,

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<v Speaker 1>then they get a second set, lose those at six years,

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<v Speaker 1>and they get a third set of fourth set of

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<v Speaker 1>fifth set in a sixth set, and then the in

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<v Speaker 1>rare circumstances they will get a seventh set of molars

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<v Speaker 1>that come out of the back. But then that's how

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<v Speaker 1>you know you're dealing with like a real silver back.

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<v Speaker 1>Like well, it's actually one way that the scientists are

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<v Speaker 1>able to age the remains of elephants, Like you find

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<v Speaker 1>the remains of the jaw, and you can look and

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<v Speaker 1>you can see you can learn a lot from it.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's a different type of elephant ken you know

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<v Speaker 1>it's amathur massed on, you can you can study exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of foods it was eating based on what

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<v Speaker 1>those teeth looked like. But then if it's a particularly

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<v Speaker 1>old elephant, um, well, look, I'll say first let's say

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<v Speaker 1>it was a you know, an adult elephant that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>too old. Then you would see like the worn teeth,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you would see in the back where fresh

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<v Speaker 1>teeth were growing out. But then in the an older

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<v Speaker 1>adult elephant, it's on its last set, the hole in

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<v Speaker 1>the back of the jaw, back on each side of

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<v Speaker 1>the jaw would be closed. It has just become solid

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<v Speaker 1>bone again because it is on its last set of teeth,

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<v Speaker 1>and those are the teeth that are going to take

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<v Speaker 1>it to the grave. I can't remember if you already

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<v Speaker 1>said this or the teeth. Is it born with all

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<v Speaker 1>these teeth already there? Or do the teeth like generate

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<v Speaker 1>over time they generate? Okay, yeah, they're not already loaded

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<v Speaker 1>back there? Um, so these are also these are known

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<v Speaker 1>as high it's known as hind molar progression, also known

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<v Speaker 1>as marching molars, which I particularly like that one because

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<v Speaker 1>there's this idea that they're marching from the back of

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<v Speaker 1>the jaw towards the front and the main other extent

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<v Speaker 1>creatures that have these are the manatees, which I'll get

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<v Speaker 1>back to in a bed. And interestingly enough, the manatees

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<v Speaker 1>have them, but the doo gong, the relative of the manatee,

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<v Speaker 1>does not. Kangaroo molars also apparently work in this fashion. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But but then other creatures like you. You might look

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<v Speaker 1>to the rock higher ax, which is the elephants rodent

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<v Speaker 1>like relative. But even though it has some elephant like

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<v Speaker 1>qualities to its uh to its teeth, including two rodent

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<v Speaker 1>like front teeth, are actually tiny tusks, it doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>marching molars. Um. But uh I mentioned already how the

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<v Speaker 1>elephant molars are also elongated. Uh they they They're really

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<v Speaker 1>crazy to look at because it looks like fused teeth

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<v Speaker 1>in a sense. It's it's like a big long chunk

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<v Speaker 1>of teeth and it's essentially it has enamel loops for

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<v Speaker 1>grinding plant matter. So that's what the elephants using these for.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just minding top to molars against bottom molars and

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<v Speaker 1>uh and that is of course wearing the teeth down

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<v Speaker 1>as well, thus the need to continually replace them. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>the elephant is herbivore. It's gonna be eating rough plant matters,

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<v Speaker 1>so it needs sort of a mortal mortar and pestle

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<v Speaker 1>in the mouth to to mash it up real good. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, when the when the teeth are done, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is going to lead in the wild especially,

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<v Speaker 1>is going to lead to malnutrition and or starvation. So

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<v Speaker 1>I encourage everyone to think about elephant teeth the next

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<v Speaker 1>time you see an elephant. Certainly if you have the

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<v Speaker 1>chance to see one in the wild, but if you

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<v Speaker 1>see one in a zoo or what have you, like

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<v Speaker 1>it's teeth or just or as amazing as any other

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<v Speaker 1>amazing quality of the elephant, like yes, it's trunk is

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<v Speaker 1>a is a is a marvel of the natural world.

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<v Speaker 1>But also its teeth are just so super weird. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this high capacity magazine of molars. Yeah, it is. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like a magazine, a pez dispenser of teeth um, And

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<v Speaker 1>it's just it's just not what you come to expect

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<v Speaker 1>from teeth in general. Like you know, even even a

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<v Speaker 1>sharp right it continually grows those teeth, but they're growing

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<v Speaker 1>out of sort of flipping out of the jaw top

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<v Speaker 1>and bottom. But the the elephant has a different system entirely. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>what is the deal with tusks since we're talking about elephants,

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<v Speaker 1>because we talked with Katie and we've talked on the

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<v Speaker 1>show before about the idea of narwhal tusks. How the

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<v Speaker 1>narwhal tusks are not like modified bones, they are teeth,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, their teeth jutting up just straight forward, straight

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<v Speaker 1>out of the mouth. Yeah, they're they're modified incisors. Is

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<v Speaker 1>the deal? Oh? Even an elephants? Yeah wow yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>um so Yeah, it's easy to sort of look at

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<v Speaker 1>tusks and even if you know they're not horns, you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like think of them. You kind of categorize

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<v Speaker 1>them in the same in the same area. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>elephants are are weird wonderful creatures, uh that we've we've

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<v Speaker 1>been looking at them so long. There's such a famous

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<v Speaker 1>animal we can you know, they're in our story books

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<v Speaker 1>as as as children, they're in our animated films. You

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<v Speaker 1>kind of forget how weirdly alien they are in many

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<v Speaker 1>many regards. Is it weird that I'm just imagining now

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<v Speaker 1>what it would be like to get bitten by an elephant?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I keep thinking trying to imagine what

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<v Speaker 1>that would be like to have um marching molars, to

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<v Speaker 1>have that kind of dental situation. And granted we wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>because we do not need to have that for our diet,

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<v Speaker 1>but if we did, Like, can you imagine your teeth

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<v Speaker 1>growing in from the back and then they like breaking

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<v Speaker 1>off in the front. Also, they're soft foods. Yeah, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's take one more break and we come back. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk just a little bit about manatee teeth. Okay, alright,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back. So we've talked about manatees on the show before.

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<v Speaker 1>Um mana teach me something, Robert Well. Manatees are of

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<v Speaker 1>course marine mammals, and they are Serenians. Uh, they have

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<v Speaker 1>a few living kid that will get to oh SERENI.

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<v Speaker 1>So are they named after the sirens exactly? Yeah, tying

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<v Speaker 1>into the whole, you know, mistaking manatees from mermaid thing. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>their closest living relatives are the elephants, and they're kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like the elephants of the sea in some respects,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, drifting through the waters, feasting on vegetation. There

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<v Speaker 1>are three extant varieties of manatees. There's the Amazonian manateee,

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<v Speaker 1>the West Indian manateee in the West African manateee, and

0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:21.080
<v Speaker 1>all of them have marching molars, much like the elephants.

0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:23.919
<v Speaker 1>But then I was reading around a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>this about this, and there's a there's another variety of

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<v Speaker 1>Serenian that went extinct in the eighteen hundreds, and this

0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:33.639
<v Speaker 1>was Stellar's sea cow. Now it apparently, uh, this was

0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:39.320
<v Speaker 1>a Serenian that already had a rather narrow habitat. It

0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:42.040
<v Speaker 1>was already like you could make the argument, I think

0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:45.879
<v Speaker 1>that was already kind of endangered before human activity really

0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:49.240
<v Speaker 1>put the nail in the casket here. But it actually

0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:53.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't have true teeth. It had instead what has been

0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:57.840
<v Speaker 1>described as broad horny pads that it used to chew

0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:01.159
<v Speaker 1>the soft parts of kelp, which made up most of

0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:05.840
<v Speaker 1>its diet. And this leads us to the other existing

0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Serenian and that's the eastern hemiphere hemispheres doo gong, which

0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:13.080
<v Speaker 1>looks very similar to a manatee, but is that it

0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:15.840
<v Speaker 1>has a shorter snout, which kind of you often see

0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:18.119
<v Speaker 1>it in pictures. It looks like a vacuum cleaner because

0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:20.760
<v Speaker 1>it's essentially what it is. It's cleaning, it's it's eating

0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:23.760
<v Speaker 1>off the bottom. Uh. And it also has a flute

0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:27.520
<v Speaker 1>tail that looks much like a whale um. But then

0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:30.280
<v Speaker 1>you really have to think about its teeth, so it

0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:32.920
<v Speaker 1>has no marching molars. It does not have the marching

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:36.760
<v Speaker 1>molars of a manatee. Uh. They also have incisors, which

0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:41.000
<v Speaker 1>are essentially a little tusks, which manatees are lacking. But

0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:43.359
<v Speaker 1>the thing about doo gongs is that they also have

0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:47.640
<v Speaker 1>horny pads in their mouths for chewing, and they're more

0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:51.760
<v Speaker 1>important than their actual teeth. The cheek teeth are almost

0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:55.560
<v Speaker 1>a non functioning and um and are not very tough

0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:57.520
<v Speaker 1>to begin with. So I was reading a few different

0:25:57.520 --> 0:26:00.960
<v Speaker 1>papers about them from J. M. Lanyon and G. D.

0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Sanson in the Journal of Zoology, and they point out

0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:07.639
<v Speaker 1>that regarding doo gongs, quote, the soft mouth parts of

0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:11.000
<v Speaker 1>the doo gong are highly modified so that the entire

0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:15.720
<v Speaker 1>oral cavity functions to crush low fiber sea grasses. Thus,

0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:19.400
<v Speaker 1>the doo gong has developed an efficient method of food ingestion,

0:26:19.720 --> 0:26:23.200
<v Speaker 1>and mastication that is suited to out processing large quantities

0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:27.040
<v Speaker 1>of soft sea grass during short dive times. The potential

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:29.600
<v Speaker 1>cost to the doo gong and having lost its hard

0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:32.679
<v Speaker 1>dental surfaces is that it has become restricted to a

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:35.920
<v Speaker 1>low fiber diet. So this is interesting. The doo gong

0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:40.160
<v Speaker 1>eats mostly sea grass, while manatees, who again have these

0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:43.280
<v Speaker 1>more robust teeth and have these marching molars, they eat

0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:47.719
<v Speaker 1>roughly sixty different varieties of fresh and salt water plants. Um.

0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:50.320
<v Speaker 1>I've I've read that the difference in the snout also

0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:53.200
<v Speaker 1>means that manatees can sort of reach out a little

0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 1>bit because they just have a more vary diet. UM.

0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Manatees have also been observed to occasionally eat fish from nets,

0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:05.520
<v Speaker 1>So you know, we generally think of them as herbivores,

0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:07.879
<v Speaker 1>and you know, for the most part they are. But

0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:09.840
<v Speaker 1>it seems like if they have the chance to eat

0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:12.320
<v Speaker 1>a fish out of a net, uh, they will do so.

0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:16.920
<v Speaker 1>And so you got another example of opportunistic carnivory. Yeah. Meanwhile,

0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:20.080
<v Speaker 1>the doo gong is apparently not engaging in this in

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:22.399
<v Speaker 1>this behavior that we know of, So that would mean

0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:25.440
<v Speaker 1>that the doo gong is really the only true marine

0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 1>herbivore mammal in the world, the only marine herbivore mammal. Wow.

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:35.680
<v Speaker 1>So I guess I'm trying to think of counter examples,

0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 1>but I can't because you know what I it is.

0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I think of a lot of like filter feeding whales

0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:44.240
<v Speaker 1>as herbivores, and they're not. They're eating you know, microscopic animal.

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:47.240
<v Speaker 1>They're carnivores. Yeah, we we we We don't think of

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:49.200
<v Speaker 1>them as such because they're not trying to eat us.

0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:54.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, uh, you know, whale myths aside, the animals

0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 1>they eat are very small. It's like, are you a

0:27:56.960 --> 0:28:00.159
<v Speaker 1>carnivore if you only popcorn shrimp? Some people might not

0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:03.439
<v Speaker 1>think so, but but I love I love this As

0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:05.760
<v Speaker 1>a kind of a closing example to look at, this

0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 1>is the you know, the doo gong, the manatee, and

0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:12.120
<v Speaker 1>Stellar Sea cow as being examples just within the Sirenian

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:15.679
<v Speaker 1>world of how teeth change with diet and how you

0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 1>can have kind of, you know, rapidly different like the

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:22.080
<v Speaker 1>idea you have marching molars in the manatee and Stellar's

0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:24.399
<v Speaker 1>sea cow didn't have teeth at all, and then the

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:26.560
<v Speaker 1>doo gong is kind of in this place in between

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 1>the two. I just find that fascinating. And and again,

0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 1>any any chance I have to explain how cool manatees are,

0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 1>I've got to take it, because manatees are just amazing

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:40.240
<v Speaker 1>creatures and if you have the chance to see some

0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 1>in the wild, you should definitely do so. I got

0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:44.040
<v Speaker 1>to see some just the other week. I was down

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:48.040
<v Speaker 1>at Done in Florida at what is it Wakula or

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:52.880
<v Speaker 1>I've also heard Waccola Springs. Got to see multiple manatees

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:56.120
<v Speaker 1>and baby manatees. It was breath thick. Now, the same

0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:58.000
<v Speaker 1>way that the manatee and the doo goong may have

0:28:58.040 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 1>inspired the legends of the Mermaid, did the manatees of

0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 1>w Coola Springs inspire the creature of the Black Lagoon,

0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 1>the creature from the Black They did film some some

0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 1>scenes there, um mainly like the you know, just the

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:13.880
<v Speaker 1>swamp footage is the stuff that they filmed there at

0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 1>the springs. Yeah, but they weren't you telling me, like

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:21.280
<v Speaker 1>they can't do licensed stuff, like they can't actually have

0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:24.960
<v Speaker 1>creature materials. They were at least I think maybe maybe

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:26.720
<v Speaker 1>they're not willing, you know, they're not willing or able

0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:29.240
<v Speaker 1>to pay out for the licensing fees. I'm not privy

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:30.640
<v Speaker 1>to the details, so I just know that a few

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>years ago they had some creature memorabilia there and now

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:36.240
<v Speaker 1>there's not any. But they were showing Creature from the

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Black Lagoon one evening in the lobby, and so that

0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:40.680
<v Speaker 1>was kind of cool to have gone out on the

0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:43.000
<v Speaker 1>swamp during the day and then at night like to

0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:45.320
<v Speaker 1>see this old movie and see these scenes from it,

0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:47.400
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, oh, well, there you go. I went

0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:50.800
<v Speaker 1>by there in a boat just several hours ago. I

0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:53.479
<v Speaker 1>think we've established on this show that we're firmly on

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:55.560
<v Speaker 1>the side of the creature in the Creature from the

0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Black Lagoon, and that the heroes are awful. Yes, there's

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 1>the alleged scientists in that in that show. Are are

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:05.640
<v Speaker 1>are awful, there's a life form shoot it. Luckily those

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:08.480
<v Speaker 1>are not the scientists that are involved in taking care

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:12.080
<v Speaker 1>of manatees today. Hey, folks, if we suddenly sound different,

0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:15.320
<v Speaker 1>we just jumped into another space and time. So here

0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:17.479
<v Speaker 1>we are again. I just wanted to close out with

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:21.040
<v Speaker 1>another quick grab bag of teeth related stuff that I

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:23.840
<v Speaker 1>couldn't stop thinking about. Robert. You remember at the end

0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:29.120
<v Speaker 1>of our episode with Katie where goose teeth came up, right, Yeah, so,

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:32.520
<v Speaker 1>of course, um, geese can sometimes I didn't mean to

0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:35.120
<v Speaker 1>demonize geese by the way, when talking to Katie, but

0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:39.320
<v Speaker 1>geese can be surprisingly aggressive. I think we don't usually

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:42.719
<v Speaker 1>worry about birds getting territorial and attacking us, but if

0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 1>you get too close to a goose nest, you're you're

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:48.640
<v Speaker 1>asking for trouble. Right, Yeah, they're they're more fierce than

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:51.160
<v Speaker 1>we sometimes realize. They're also a little smarter than we

0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 1>sometimes realize. Like there's certainly no no Corvid's, but there

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 1>have been some interesting studies that have put them to

0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 1>the test with the various tasks, and they can actually

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:03.680
<v Speaker 1>perform well. Yeah, and so I think in that episode

0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 1>with Katie, we actually talked a little bit about goose teeth. Now,

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 1>goose don't actually have biological teeth with denton and enamel.

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 1>But if you have not seen an image of the

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 1>serrated edges of death writhing like the dead lights inside

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 1>a goose mouth, you have got to go search for

0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 1>this right now. It's an image that you must see.

0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 1>They're a bunch of them all over the internet. Uh, Robert,

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 1>I added one to your notes. But oh, you might

0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:30.440
<v Speaker 1>not have your notes right in front of you, do

0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:33.360
<v Speaker 1>you do? Well, it's just got knives in the mouth

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 1>basically along the edge of the so basically like the

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 1>tongue and the beak are both covered in these fierce

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 1>jagged sawtooth spines around the lateral edges and um. The

0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 1>most recent evidence indicates that existing birds to send from

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:51.400
<v Speaker 1>ancestors that lost their teeth in a multi stage process

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 1>that took place roughly between I think about one hundred

0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:59.120
<v Speaker 1>sixteen one hundred one million years ago. UM. So if

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 1>you're out there listener asking, wait a minute, lost their teeth?

0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Birds lost their teeth? Yes, Because, as we've talked about,

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:09.760
<v Speaker 1>plenty of times, birds evolve from dinosaurs that definitely had teeth.

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Arcosaurs archaeopterics had teeth, and it appears that this period,

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 1>around a hundred million years ago, they acquired gene mutations

0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 1>that changed a couple of things. They change jaw development

0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:26.920
<v Speaker 1>to stop the development of teeth as as they matured,

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:30.800
<v Speaker 1>and to cause the development of beaks instead. And one

0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 1>consequence of this knowledge is that if we can suppress

0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 1>the molecular pathways for the gene that suppresses the growth

0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 1>of teeth in birds, you know, the gene that turns

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:44.600
<v Speaker 1>off tooth development. You you turn off the turn off there,

0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:47.680
<v Speaker 1>we can sort of create birds with teeth again. And

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 1>in fact, a group of researchers actually did this and

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 1>and publish their findings in Current Biology way back in

0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 1>two thousand six. You've probably I bet this has come

0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 1>up on the show before, at at least maybe a

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 1>while ago, right, the transfer rowing of chickens into tiny dinosaurs. Yeah,

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:05.840
<v Speaker 1>they already are tiny dinosaurs they respect, but they are

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 1>very much tyrannosaurss. But in this case, I think the

0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 1>resemblance is slightly less to the therapod dinosaurs and more

0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 1>to crocodilians because when they made a couple of genetic

0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:20.920
<v Speaker 1>tweaks or epigenetic tweaks to embryonic chickens. The embryos grew

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 1>teeth that resembled the conical teeth you would see in

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:27.680
<v Speaker 1>the mouth of an alligator or crocodile, indicating that these

0:33:27.680 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 1>were probably pretty similar to the teeth of ancestral birds

0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 1>more than a hundred million years ago. So the goose

0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:37.240
<v Speaker 1>does not have true teeth. But I wonder if you

0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:41.400
<v Speaker 1>could crisper up like a really awful fanged crocodile goose

0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:44.240
<v Speaker 1>from the deep past. I bet that could be done,

0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:47.080
<v Speaker 1>though I don't know if it would survive development with

0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:49.480
<v Speaker 1>the mutation. Yeah, I'm not sure about that. But but

0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:51.320
<v Speaker 1>I do love this example because it kind of goes

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 1>back to what we're exploring with the Syreneans, that if

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 1>if teeth are no longer needed, if they are no

0:33:57.080 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 1>longer the best means of masticating food food or or

0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:03.000
<v Speaker 1>or helping to you know, to aid in the ingestion

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 1>of food, they're not going to stay around forever. I mean,

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:08.960
<v Speaker 1>they're they're they're like anything in the body there, they

0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:11.920
<v Speaker 1>are a costly investment. Yeah, this is one of the

0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:14.840
<v Speaker 1>things that that we often fail to remember when we

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:18.880
<v Speaker 1>think about evolution without taking like energy and development concerns

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:21.680
<v Speaker 1>in mind, we think of evolution primarily as a process

0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 1>of addition. But what episode was it just recently on

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:28.160
<v Speaker 1>the show where we talked about a lot of subtraction evolution. Oh,

0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:30.880
<v Speaker 1>I think it was in the one about the phrase

0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:33.200
<v Speaker 1>survival of the fittest. Yeah, and what that it tends

0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 1>to imply to people who you know, uh, if you

0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:38.160
<v Speaker 1>haven't thought about it all that deeply, One thing is

0:34:38.200 --> 0:34:41.320
<v Speaker 1>that you get this sort of vague impression that maybe

0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:44.040
<v Speaker 1>it always works by like adding new powers and not

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:48.560
<v Speaker 1>by just subtracting things that are useless expenses. Right. And

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:50.760
<v Speaker 1>and we also, yeah, I think discussed as we've discussed

0:34:50.800 --> 0:34:53.239
<v Speaker 1>before that this whole idea of something devolving. You know,

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:56.920
<v Speaker 1>it's like no evolution. Uh, you can go in either direction.

0:34:57.200 --> 0:34:59.440
<v Speaker 1>So if you say your views on the topic have evolved,

0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:02.279
<v Speaker 1>it's not necessarily a good thing. Right. It's like if

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:05.800
<v Speaker 1>you're your HR department tells you that your benefits are evolving,

0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:09.680
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily a good thing, right, Um, ask more questions

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:11.920
<v Speaker 1>to find out exactly what's going on. Well, yeah, but

0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:14.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, there is no devolving. It's all evolving.

0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 1>So some evolving and you might like and some evolving

0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:19.600
<v Speaker 1>you might not like who knows, I mean, maybe we

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:23.960
<v Speaker 1>could evolve brains that just feel excruciating pain every moment

0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:26.120
<v Speaker 1>of the day for no good reason at all. It

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:30.080
<v Speaker 1>just happens to work that way. Um. But another an

0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 1>interesting evolutionary question is why did birds lose their teeth?

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:37.000
<v Speaker 1>And this is an unsolved problem. We don't have a

0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:40.279
<v Speaker 1>good answer of exactly what the evolutionary pressure driving the

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 1>switch from teeth to beaks was. Uh the answer. So

0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:47.880
<v Speaker 1>one historical hypothesis I've read about is that it helped

0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 1>birds lighten their bodies to optimize flight dynamics. But I've

0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:55.800
<v Speaker 1>also read opinions that's not a very good explanation because

0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, we see tons of flying animals with teeth.

0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Teeth don't necessarily wigh a whole lot. That seems like

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 1>that's probably not a very good candidate for explaining it.

0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:06.920
<v Speaker 1>So we don't fully know the answer. I mean, one

0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 1>would assume it would you would come down to diet

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:11.799
<v Speaker 1>one way or another. But yeah, you would think so.

0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:13.799
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and one thing you can look at is

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<v Speaker 1>the different kinds of beaks that existing birds have. I mean,

0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 1>beak diversity is is enormous across the aviens that used

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:22.480
<v Speaker 1>the beaks for all kinds of different things. We should

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<v Speaker 1>come back and do an episode on Beaks, just on beaks. Yes,

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 1>And we can also talk about the movie Beaks, which

0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:31.839
<v Speaker 1>is maybe the most painful bad horror movie I've ever watched. Yeah,

0:36:31.880 --> 0:36:34.759
<v Speaker 1>it's a rip off of Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds. Uh

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:37.880
<v Speaker 1>And so it's just about birds attacking people. That that's

0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:41.000
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty much all you need to know, except it

0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:43.560
<v Speaker 1>just happens to have this distinction. And you know me,

0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:46.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm somebody who watches tons of bad horror movies. It's

0:36:46.640 --> 0:36:50.920
<v Speaker 1>probably the most excruciating one I ever tried to finish.

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 1>So that would you say this is worse than Bird Dimmick,

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:56.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, No, Bird Dimmick is a joy by comparison,

0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:59.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying it's I'm not saying it's worse from

0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 1>a filmmaking skill point of view, but Burdemic was much

0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 1>more enjoyable and it was easy to make it through

0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:08.319
<v Speaker 1>the runtime. Beaks is a film that one of the things,

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:09.880
<v Speaker 1>one of the things I think about it is that

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 1>it has a soundtrack with like a really uh just

0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:18.400
<v Speaker 1>grading synthesizer score that has songs. They're not really songs.

0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:23.000
<v Speaker 1>It's like a single very high pitch synthesizer note held

0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:26.120
<v Speaker 1>down for minutes at a time, it starts to just

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 1>wear on you as if you you think you have

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:30.960
<v Speaker 1>something wrong with your ears or your brain. It's like

0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:33.520
<v Speaker 1>a it's a soundtrack that mimics tended us or something,

0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:38.280
<v Speaker 1>and it's just really ugly to watch. Anyway, we got sidetracked,

0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:40.359
<v Speaker 1>but yes, I think we should come back to an

0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:43.560
<v Speaker 1>episode on beaks, because yeah, beak diversity is is amazing,

0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:45.440
<v Speaker 1>and so I guess that brings us back to the

0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:48.720
<v Speaker 1>actual goose mouth. The serrated edges inside there along the tongue,

0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:52.439
<v Speaker 1>along the beak edges. If those aren't teeth, what's going

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:55.400
<v Speaker 1>on there with those little jagged spines. Uh? So, the

0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:58.960
<v Speaker 1>serrated edges in a modern birds beak that that's made

0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:01.600
<v Speaker 1>of stuff called tone um. These are these little spiny

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:04.200
<v Speaker 1>cutting edges that can be used kind of like teeth,

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:06.279
<v Speaker 1>But from what I've read, they're they're not usually for

0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 1>what we would think of as chewing. They're more for

0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:13.320
<v Speaker 1>grabbing hold of food like plant matter or like live prey,

0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 1>and either cutting it or gripping it firmly. So that

0:38:16.719 --> 0:38:18.640
<v Speaker 1>the bird can like keep hold of it and tear

0:38:18.680 --> 0:38:21.680
<v Speaker 1>it away from anything it's attached to. Uh. So you

0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:24.600
<v Speaker 1>can see this for like, you know, anything that would

0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 1>be eating like plant matter and trying to tear it

0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 1>away from whatever, like the stem or something. Or you

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:32.239
<v Speaker 1>can see it for grabbing hold of a fish and

0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:35.160
<v Speaker 1>making sure it doesn't get away. It's just generally useful

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 1>for like hooking stuff into the mouth, and of course

0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:42.040
<v Speaker 1>and for cutting um and for for a bonus in

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:45.319
<v Speaker 1>bird relatives that also lost their teeth. If you haven't

0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:48.279
<v Speaker 1>looked at this, you should check out the mouths of

0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:51.280
<v Speaker 1>leather back sea turtles. Have you seen this one, Robert,

0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:53.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that I have. I've seen leather back

0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:56.480
<v Speaker 1>sea turtles before, but in the wild, but but I

0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:58.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't get a good look in their mouth. Well, actually,

0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:00.800
<v Speaker 1>I think with Katie we were talking about some viral

0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:04.040
<v Speaker 1>images of animal mouths that you think like, Okay, that's

0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:06.400
<v Speaker 1>got to be photoshopped, but actually it turns out to

0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:09.839
<v Speaker 1>be totally real. Leather back sea turtle mouths are like this.

0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:13.080
<v Speaker 1>They there's some of the photos of them make the

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:15.359
<v Speaker 1>rounds on the internet, and it looks like a made

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:18.399
<v Speaker 1>up monster mouth that somebody is passing off as a fake,

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.720
<v Speaker 1>real animal. It's totally real. It looks like a vivid

0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:26.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, somebody took the bad acid nightmare of It's

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:28.839
<v Speaker 1>hard to explain because these are the ones they look

0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:32.480
<v Speaker 1>they're swirly looking kind of Yeah, they don't so it's

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<v Speaker 1>not rows of teeth again, they're turtles that they don't

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:39.759
<v Speaker 1>have teeth, but they are these thorns. It's like a

0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:45.400
<v Speaker 1>thorn forest. Imagine a sort of fractal sarlac on steroids

0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:48.680
<v Speaker 1>with even more teeth, this forest of thorns going down

0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:52.280
<v Speaker 1>the esophagus. And what this actually is, it's not teeth,

0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:55.600
<v Speaker 1>but it's a covering of cartilage based prongs that are

0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:59.719
<v Speaker 1>known as esophageal pappally, which what they do is they

0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 1>help the leather back sea turtle hold onto its prey,

0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 1>which primarily consists of jellyfish. So imagine you're trying to

0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:10.080
<v Speaker 1>eat a jellyfish, this organism that's kind of squishy and

0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:14.080
<v Speaker 1>mostly made of water in the water. Yeah, you might

0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:16.680
<v Speaker 1>imagine that it's kind of hard to like get that

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:18.799
<v Speaker 1>in the mouth and keep it from slipping out of

0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:21.360
<v Speaker 1>the mouth, especially if you're trying to like eject seawater

0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:23.920
<v Speaker 1>back out of the mouth while you're eating it and

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:27.239
<v Speaker 1>then to shove it along down through the esophagus. And

0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:31.400
<v Speaker 1>apparently the sea turtles have these long digestive tracks that

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:34.319
<v Speaker 1>can hold a whole bunch of jellyfish in them all

0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:36.279
<v Speaker 1>at the same time while they're sort of waiting to

0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:39.800
<v Speaker 1>be processed by the stomach. So yeah, this thorn forest

0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:42.319
<v Speaker 1>in the mouth is mainly for grabbing hold of these

0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:45.600
<v Speaker 1>gelatinous masses of prey and holding them in place so

0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:48.479
<v Speaker 1>that they don't slip away. But again another example of

0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:51.400
<v Speaker 1>it's not teeth, but they they fulfill some of the

0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:55.080
<v Speaker 1>purposes that we associate with teeth. Yeah, so that's that's interesting.

0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:59.279
<v Speaker 1>If if teeth did not exist, necessary to invent the

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well this has been fun, Robert, Yeah, absolutely

0:41:04.320 --> 0:41:06.360
<v Speaker 1>uh and you know, we again, we only covered so

0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:09.000
<v Speaker 1>many teeth there. There are other amazing examples out there,

0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:12.200
<v Speaker 1>and if anyone listening can think of some really good ones,

0:41:12.239 --> 0:41:14.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, uh, let us know, because we could always

0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:16.880
<v Speaker 1>come back and do another sack full of teeth on

0:41:16.920 --> 0:41:19.000
<v Speaker 1>the show. And I would love to do beaks. I

0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:21.239
<v Speaker 1>was get I was up close and personal with a

0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:23.680
<v Speaker 1>two can the other day and um, you know, it's

0:41:23.680 --> 0:41:26.319
<v Speaker 1>just always amazing to look at a beak like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh yeah, I'd love to go through the world

0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:31.080
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