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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. A great
Speaker 2: episode for you right now with the United States Army
Speaker 2: veteran and buddy of mine. Now for god twelve or
Speaker 2: thirteen years, we're getting old Pete hag Seth, whom you
Speaker 2: all know from Fox and Friends where he is a
Speaker 2: host on Fox and Friends on the weekends. You know
Speaker 2: him from various shows all across the Fox News and
Speaker 2: Fox Nation. Mister Pete hagg Seth, first time on the Welcome.
Speaker 1: How you doing, man, It's good to talk to you, dude,
Speaker 1: Good to talk to you.
Speaker 2: Do you remember we were just like, you know, a
Speaker 2: couple of kids. Stars in our eyes. You coming out
Speaker 2: of the out of the military, me com out of CIA.
Speaker 2: We're doing some TV stuff and it's like me twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: That's correct. I mean we're both kids. But you were
Speaker 1: the pro You and Will Caine were the pros on
Speaker 1: that show when I came home on it on the Blaze,
Speaker 1: on Real News. I mean, you were to established five
Speaker 1: day a week hoast and I was beyond intimidated. I
Speaker 1: had no idea what I was doing on TV. So
Speaker 1: I was in two days a week learning from you guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it feels like forever ago, but it was kind of
Speaker 1: the the original five. I mean it was a real deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, we had a great time on that show, Real
Speaker 2: News on the Blaze, Will Caine, Si cup Amy Holmes me,
Speaker 2: you were regular. Jededi Abila was a regular back in
Speaker 2: the day. We had Guy Benson on a lot. We
Speaker 2: had Katie Pavlich. I mean, you go through Carol Markowitz,
Speaker 2: like I think about all the Kaylee Mackin then like I.
Speaker 3: Sit here going mac.
Speaker 1: On Hannity all the time. Sarah Carter was on all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sarah, she was a contributor. She was actually was
Speaker 2: a Blaze. She ran the Blaze documentary unit for a while.
Speaker 2: She's she's an awesome lady. I'm a big Sarah Sarah
Speaker 2: Carter fan.
Speaker 3: So it was. It was an amazing time.
Speaker 2: And obviously I always say a debt of gratitude from
Speaker 2: all of us to Glenn for creating a platform or
Speaker 2: young guys like us could get a start, right. But
Speaker 2: now here you are, mister Fox News host. Mister, I
Speaker 2: see him sometimes hosting in the Aid or The Nine
Speaker 2: as a guest host and doing Weekend Fox and Friends
Speaker 2: with our buddy Will Kine. And I'm wondering how you
Speaker 2: see things right now in this the beginning of this
Speaker 2: election year. Is Joe Biden one hundred percent going to
Speaker 2: be the Democrat nominee?
Speaker 3: Yes or no? And why.
Speaker 1: No? Not one hundred percent? I think it's greater than fifty,
Speaker 1: but it's no to one hundred percent. I mean, anything
Speaker 1: could happen. You saw what happened at the Air Force Academy.
Speaker 1: Something sadly or tragically could happen that could actually disable him.
Speaker 1: But it's you know, there are discussions happening behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: and at what level and how large and how far
Speaker 1: and wide, I don't know. With Kamala Harris behind him,
Speaker 1: there has to be real doom or fear at least
Speaker 1: at some level of what would come of that. But
Speaker 1: I think they really believe, with a culpable media that
Speaker 1: they could pull off Basement three point zero and hope
Speaker 1: to run a foil against Trump and then exercise their
Speaker 1: machine of ballots versus voters and try to pull out
Speaker 1: a weekend at Bernie's re election and then do The
Speaker 1: thing about the Biden presidency is that, you know, he
Speaker 1: talks about it being the dullest presidency of all time. Well,
Speaker 1: it's the radicalism happening under the surface and throughout the
Speaker 1: bureaucracy that loves the dulness because it looks smooth on
Speaker 1: the on the top even though it's a disaster. But underneath,
Speaker 1: a lot's happening. So I think they have a lot
Speaker 1: of incentives around Biden to keep him right where he is.
Speaker 2: I was thinking of that old term you'll here sometimes bromide,
Speaker 2: for you know, the chemical that is an anesthetic and
Speaker 2: knocks people out or you know what is it? Anesthetic
Speaker 2: kills the bacteria. Anyway, I think it it's like, uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm talking about right, yeah, but thank you Biden. Is
Speaker 2: that it's like, oh, you have a booboo, you put
Speaker 2: you know, uh, analgesic anesthetic. Biden is essentially a bromide
Speaker 2: by convincing people that this old man is he can't
Speaker 2: be that radical. He's been in politics for so long.
Speaker 2: And to your point, how different are the policies now?
Speaker 2: And I always say, how different are the policies than
Speaker 2: what you would have gotten with pretty much. And you know,
Speaker 2: even say like an Elizabeth Warren or I would even
Speaker 2: argue Bernie Sanders presidency, Bernie Sanders the tax rate thing
Speaker 2: probably wouldn't go through because the Democrat apparatus, you know,
Speaker 2: has enough fancy donors who would fight against a massive,
Speaker 2: massive tax increase, and Biden and Bernie spending really isn't
Speaker 2: all that different. He wouldn't be able to get through
Speaker 2: if you had a Bernie presidency, he wouldn't be able
Speaker 2: to get through Medicare for All, as he calls it,
Speaker 2: like that wouldn't actually happen, it would blow through. So
Speaker 2: I just feel like, yeah, the left is in charge
Speaker 2: and Biden is the facade. He is the front man.
Speaker 1: That's why there's no serious challenge. That's why there's no
Speaker 1: serious primary challenge. I mean, if he had gone in
Speaker 1: and been any sort of a remote moderate the guy
Speaker 1: he claimed he was, which he never was, He's always
Speaker 1: been a partisan, he would be facing three left wing
Speaker 1: progressives going at him. Instead, they're all silent, they're all
Speaker 1: on board. You got you know, Mary Ann Williamson, an
Speaker 1: RFK junior, who they're going to ignore and not debate,
Speaker 1: even though he's at twenty percent. This is this is
Speaker 1: you know what was it? Nineteen seventy six? Is when
Speaker 1: is when Reagan Primary four? You remember that? I mean
Speaker 1: that was that was legitimately a grassroots conservative movement saying no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we don't want this non incumbent in combent president because
Speaker 1: he's not who represents us. He represents the radical left.
Speaker 1: So why would they challenge him? There? They won't, and
Speaker 1: they believe that because of twenty twenty and twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two that maybe they can even gain seats and get
Speaker 1: even more radical. So why change the guy who's letting
Speaker 1: it all happen under the scenes.
Speaker 2: You're totally right now between Kamala and Gavin Newsom. If
Speaker 2: we're just looking off into the future, who is the
Speaker 2: future of the Democrat Party? As in who you know?
Speaker 2: Remember it's remember Ghostbusters? Ghostbusters? Would you say one of
Speaker 2: your favorite movies growing up?
Speaker 1: Would you get a movie It's a good movie.
Speaker 3: Good movie. Oh okay, he's not going one of his favorites.
Speaker 1: I'm not going all the way.
Speaker 2: Okay, I would go top ten personally, like I would
Speaker 2: say Ghostbusters for me as a kid was a top
Speaker 2: ten movie. But remember the scene where they're like, choose
Speaker 2: the form of the destructor and Marsha stay puff, marshmallow man.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you had to choose the form of
Speaker 2: a Democrat destructor, is it? Is it Gavin Newsom? Is
Speaker 2: it is it?
Speaker 3: Harris? You know, who do you think?
Speaker 2: Because Biden, look, just father time is going to weigh
Speaker 2: in here at some point. Biden, after whatever happens here,
Speaker 2: isn't going to be the guy. So who do you
Speaker 2: think we're up against going forward as the de facto
Speaker 2: leader of the Democrat Party.
Speaker 1: So I'll give you the know, the likely, and the sleeper.
Speaker 1: So the no is Kamala Harris for sure. I mean
Speaker 1: everyone knows it can't be her. The likely is Gavin Newsome,
Speaker 1: Like he looks the part. He'll explain away California, he
Speaker 1: talks their talk. He'll cravingly do the things the base
Speaker 1: wants to do and be smooth enough to make it
Speaker 1: look like, you know, he's the return of JFK, so
Speaker 1: that he would be a likely standard bearer coming out
Speaker 1: of with all that money out of California, and you
Speaker 1: have to explain away his record, but he'd just say
Speaker 1: the work isn't finished. Buck, I mean the.
Speaker 2: Progress is just like the old Soviet Union. You just
Speaker 2: got to wait five more years.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: It just they're just not done yet.
Speaker 1: Five years and five trillion away from utopia. We're almost
Speaker 1: so that would be his argument. But the sleeper is
Speaker 1: Wes Moore, governor out of Maryland. Black guy, young army vet.
Speaker 1: They take to the bank, Buck. I'm telling you, he's
Speaker 1: had a couple of best selling books. He's beloved by
Speaker 1: kind of the Manhattan mainstream media elite crowd. He's smart.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's done in Maryland. I just
Speaker 1: being in the vet space, I've kind of you're kind
Speaker 1: of aware of people. And when I watched the way
Speaker 1: he steamrolled the primary and then won the election in Maryland,
Speaker 1: and the way they've elevated him, the way he was
Speaker 1: already on TV. Watch him. He could be the kind
Speaker 1: of guy that, in twenty twenty eight is a standard
Speaker 1: bearer for the party.
Speaker 3: Years people, I never discount these things.
Speaker 2: I mean in this case, you know, I mean, you're
Speaker 2: Pete Hegsatt, so you know some stuff about some things.
Speaker 2: But I will tell you, man, years ago, I did
Speaker 2: a radio state event in Fort Wayne, Indiana, Okay, and
Speaker 2: one of the regional hosts, regional hosts who was also
Speaker 2: you know an iHeartMedia radio host. Guy came up to
Speaker 2: me and he said he was a host in h
Speaker 2: South Bend, Indiana. Now I'm talking. This is I'm trying
Speaker 2: to think of the year. This is Trump presidency, maybe
Speaker 2: like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, early Trump presidency. Okay, and
Speaker 2: he pulls me aside and he goes, I just want
Speaker 2: you to know him. His name is Casey. So Casey
Speaker 2: ever here was watching Casey. He's a host in South Bend, Indiana.
Speaker 2: I'm just bring this up because who do you think?
Speaker 2: He tells me that, he goes, just so you know,
Speaker 2: the mayor here, Pete Boudha Judge thinks he should be president,
Speaker 2: is going to run for president and is going to
Speaker 2: be a national figure for the Democrats. And I remember
Speaker 2: I looked at I looked at Casey. I was like, dude,
Speaker 2: like the mayor, the mayor of South Bend, Indiana. It's like,
Speaker 2: what's next, like you know, the you know, like I
Speaker 2: I sat there as like like the dog catcher from
Speaker 2: bangor Maine or something like who is going to be
Speaker 2: in charge? And sure enough, sure enough? So you can't
Speaker 2: you know some people can pick this early on. They
Speaker 2: can understand who's book.
Speaker 1: Called The Other Wes Moore, which is about another the
Speaker 1: trajectory of people of his generation, another kid that looked
Speaker 1: like him that went went to prison. I don't know
Speaker 1: the whole context of it, but I'm just telling you
Speaker 1: he's known amongst the known class of the Democrat Party.
Speaker 1: And I haven't heard him speak on the stump, so
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. But they're going to be
Speaker 1: looking for somebody, young, fresh, new who can who will
Speaker 1: do their bidding. And he's a hard lefty.
Speaker 2: That's really interesting. We'll take Well, I'm gonna look more
Speaker 2: into his background, this Wes Moore guy who's the governor
Speaker 2: of Maryland and see uh, because I understand, man, this
Speaker 2: is the the Democrat apparatus.
Speaker 1: We're in the kind of moment where I don't think
Speaker 1: it's gonna work on the Republicans aid, I'm sure we'll
Speaker 1: talk about this. But a guy like the vag Ramaswami
Speaker 1: who kind of showed up on our network, wrote some books,
Speaker 1: talked about his corporate background, made a bunch of money.
Speaker 1: I heard him give a speech at a Fox Nation
Speaker 1: event a year ago. And I remember watching him thinking
Speaker 1: that guy's can run for president, Like he's super ambitious,
Speaker 1: very smart, and we'll do nothing but good for himself
Speaker 1: by having a national platform. I don't think he's gonna win,
Speaker 1: but he's going to elevate. And there's always one or
Speaker 1: two of those that you didn't see coming.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: So see we run into an issue here, and that
Speaker 2: is everyone in the audience right now. They're just like, oh,
Speaker 2: I like Pete Hegseth, and everything he says seems sensible
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Speaker 2: me how you see the GOP primary playing out, and
Speaker 2: just we all understand you are going to upset some
Speaker 2: primary voters, but go ahead.
Speaker 1: That's fine, we're in the business of upsetting people. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm going to try to step back as objectively
Speaker 1: as I can Buck And I'm clearly biased. I've been
Speaker 1: a big, big supporter President Trump for a long time.
Speaker 1: I don't see how anyone else captures a plurality, let
Speaker 1: alone a majority of the Republican base after what has
Speaker 1: been done to Trump's post presidency. The two biggest in
Speaker 1: kind donors to Trump are the FBI and Alvin Bragg.
Speaker 1: They have reinvigorated this that they tried to prevent him
Speaker 1: from running. They tried to stifle his entire presidency, and
Speaker 1: now they're trying to put him in jail and prevent
Speaker 1: him from running again, which reminds them that he's been
Speaker 1: the one willing to fight the way no one else has.
Speaker 1: And and that's one part of it. The other part
Speaker 1: is I don't see how a dissent it really is, DeSantis.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe there's someone else that will sneak up there.
Speaker 2: I don't see how you're really just gonna throw Asa
Speaker 2: Hutchinson by the side of the road there, buddy, you
Speaker 2: know you're not team ASA.
Speaker 1: Maybe Burgham, Okay, maybe Burgham. Maybe Team ASA and Bergham,
Speaker 1: you never know. I mean, there's so many people who
Speaker 1: have zero rationale, but lots of consultants.
Speaker 3: Uh sure.
Speaker 1: Everyone else running buck you know, is running on the
Speaker 1: premise that some some nuclear bombs gonna go off, something's
Speaker 1: gonna reshuffle the entire race and and create a free
Speaker 1: for all. Something would have to happen to Trump in
Speaker 1: that center, or they're running specifically to just be on
Speaker 1: the right side of history. Running against Trump. It's all nonsense.
Speaker 1: So if DeSantis would have to find a way legitimately
Speaker 1: to indict Trump, be better than Trump?
Speaker 3: And wait, can I just be clear?
Speaker 1: You mean to see how he does when you.
Speaker 3: Say indict because like that, I mean, I.
Speaker 1: Mean in Punee, in Pune, because we'll talk about the
Speaker 1: indictment in a second. Impune his record, go after his
Speaker 1: personality without going at his base. I've heard people say
Speaker 1: it's twenty five percent. Maybe it's I think it's the
Speaker 1: base's higher thirty thirty five as a core base, and
Speaker 1: then you've got a floating twenty twenty five to thirty
Speaker 1: that are pro Trump. But kind of what did he say?
Speaker 2: But this is this is the voted for him twice,
Speaker 2: but not sure they should vote from a third time contingent.
Speaker 1: But this contingent keeps getting pulled back to him because
Speaker 1: of two things. What is continues to be done to
Speaker 1: Trump and that I just don't think DeSantis has shown
Speaker 1: up to be the type of candidate they thought he
Speaker 1: would be. And so the closer you look, and I
Speaker 1: like DeSantis a lot, I think he was a great governor,
Speaker 1: but the closer you look, he's not as spectacular or
Speaker 1: as good as people thought he was. So and the
Speaker 1: more candidates that get in, the more it dilutes the
Speaker 1: opposition to Trump. I'd need someone smarter than me to
Speaker 1: truly lay out absent a massive change, and we've seen
Speaker 1: a lot of things that should look like massive changes
Speaker 1: in the past for Donald Trump that haven't manifest. Absent that,
Speaker 1: what a real path is to winning the nomination against
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I guess the only one I would give it,
Speaker 1: I'll toss it back to you is the ability to
Speaker 1: gather support in an early state in Iowa, New Hampshire,
Speaker 1: or South Carolina that creates the perception there's a real opponent.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Trump is going to lose in Iowa.
Speaker 2: I think he's probably going to lose in New Hampshire,
Speaker 2: and then I think we're going to see who's actually
Speaker 2: going to win the primary after that. I mean Ted
Speaker 2: Cruz won the primary against Trump in Iowa in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: and we all saw were that one.
Speaker 1: Now, why do you think he'll lose in Iowa New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: I think he'll lose in Iowa because the caucus system
Speaker 2: is first of all, the kind of voters who are there,
Speaker 2: and the caucus system is it's it's funny every time
Speaker 2: that it's like Iowa time, everyone starts reading on the
Speaker 2: caucuses and everything else. I think that organization wins the
Speaker 2: day there, and the campaign that is going to be
Speaker 2: sort of more organized and on it is likely to pull.
Speaker 2: You know, when I say on it, I mean precise,
Speaker 2: detail oriented and playing the system that way. I think
Speaker 2: in New Hampshire it's just a function of you have
Speaker 2: more I mean, look, you know some new news the governor.
Speaker 2: You have more of these moderate Republican types and less
Speaker 2: of the base. So I think that'll be a tough
Speaker 2: one for Trump, who's.
Speaker 1: Going to gather that moderate lane and take it like
Speaker 1: you could see it in twenty twenty sixteen. You could
Speaker 1: see right.
Speaker 2: I mean Ted Cruz winning Iowa in twenty sixteen didn't
Speaker 2: surprise anybody.
Speaker 1: You could see Cruise appealing to people. You could see Rubio,
Speaker 1: you know, he won Minnesota. I remember that. You could
Speaker 1: seem is it DeSantis or is there a third candidate
Speaker 1: you're looking at that says while that guy or Gal's
Speaker 1: gonna bust out?
Speaker 2: No, I mean it's it's Trump or DeSantis. I look,
Speaker 2: I think DeSantis will do well in Iowa. I think
Speaker 2: he'll do well in New Hampshire, and then I think
Speaker 2: the real I mean, we've got to remember, dude, Joe
Speaker 2: Biden was trailing in the early states as well in
Speaker 2: the Democrat primary. So that's not to say, oh, well,
Speaker 2: like I right now, I think you could probably get
Speaker 2: Vegas odds three to one in favor of Trump winning.
Speaker 2: I think that maybe two to one. But like, I
Speaker 2: think Trump winning the primary is the likeliest outcome. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying I think that i was probably the place
Speaker 2: where you'll where you'll see an early Dysantis win, and
Speaker 2: New Hampshire might be a little bit, a little bit tougher.
Speaker 2: I don't think did I'm trying to remember did Trump
Speaker 2: He did win New Hampshire right in twenty sixteen. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to go and if.
Speaker 1: I'm mistaken, the polls show him up unless I'm mistaken
Speaker 1: up in Iowa and New Hampshire right now.
Speaker 2: I think I think the polls at this point, you know,
Speaker 2: are a little bit of a Again, Pete, the good
Speaker 2: news is we'll have you back on and we could
Speaker 2: talk about whether I'm right or wrong on this prediction.
Speaker 2: So my prediction would be Trump I think wins the primary.
Speaker 2: I just think he might lose a state or two
Speaker 2: before it gets into the big and I.
Speaker 1: Could be clouded in my judgment. Buck who knows, but
Speaker 1: I think it's over by South Carolina.
Speaker 2: All that All that really matters is who wins the primary, right,
Speaker 2: I mean it's not like like no one cares about
Speaker 2: Jeb's one delegate. Remember that Jeb got He spent one
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars and he ended up with one delegate
Speaker 2: and it was Jeb exclamation points. That was his thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, that was quite that was it. But what
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Speaker 2: it that is Trump's way to win against Biden in
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Speaker 2: let's return to this. How is it that jo that
Speaker 2: Donald Truy wins the voters in the Keys. We know
Speaker 2: he's got the base, we know he's got Republican you know,
Speaker 2: what was it, ninety seven percent Republican, ninety nine percent
Speaker 2: Republican approval, whatever it was. I mean, he had, you know,
Speaker 2: legitimately had like like the premiere of.
Speaker 1: Shoot someone on sixth Avenue support.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean premiere of like Kazakhstan or whatever
Speaker 2: level support among the populations like it. It's like ninety
Speaker 2: nine percent win in the in the in the election anyway.
Speaker 2: But how does he win those swing voters in Georgia Arizona,
Speaker 2: which you know, Arizona's not even so much as swing voters.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like McCain GOP voters. How does he
Speaker 2: win back those? And how does he get enough in
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania to beat the Democrat machine there, which is unfortunately
Speaker 2: just a better machine than than what we have in
Speaker 2: the GOP.
Speaker 1: You landed on it. If twenty twenty four is once
Speaker 1: again voters versus ballots, then he won't. So I think
Speaker 1: that's why you're seeing such criticism of the RNC right
Speaker 1: now and focus from folks in the conservat base of saying,
Speaker 1: this machine better be built to legally harvest ballots, to
Speaker 1: find out low propensity voters, find unenthusiastic voters on the
Speaker 1: Republican side, and harass them the way the left does
Speaker 1: for eight weeks leading up to the election, so that
Speaker 1: we're not going to go the next step of actually
Speaker 1: paying them for the ballot, which is what the left
Speaker 1: will do, but actually making sure because there will be
Speaker 1: such low enthusiasm for Biden, you know that. You see,
Speaker 1: what is it? A majority of Democrat voters don't even
Speaker 1: want to run. So it's not like people are going
Speaker 1: to run to the polls or run to send in
Speaker 1: their ballots on the Democrat side. They're going to rely
Speaker 1: on hunting down low propensity voters across the spectrum and
Speaker 1: harvesting their ballots using the COVID protocols and having ballots
Speaker 1: beat voters. And so I don't think a victory is
Speaker 1: possible unless a machine is built that does it as
Speaker 1: well or better than the left does. Churches, gun clubs,
Speaker 1: outside supermarkets, whatever, it is finding people, registering them and
Speaker 1: turning in absentee ballots or mail in ballots in the
Speaker 1: way that left us. I would like that system. I
Speaker 1: wish we could get rid of it, but we better
Speaker 1: do it better.
Speaker 2: My I mean, our friend Sean Parnell, buddy of ours.
Speaker 2: You know, I've talked to him pretty extensively. He's got
Speaker 2: a great podcast and I was on and we've talked
Speaker 2: about he knows obviously the Pennsylvania system, having run for
Speaker 2: Congress and run for Senate well, and he's just like,
Speaker 2: you got to understand Democrats have.
Speaker 3: It's if you're thinking about this.
Speaker 2: In warfare terms, they've got more divisions with more artillery
Speaker 2: pieces and more ammunition than the Republicans do. Irrespective of
Speaker 2: the candidate situation, they just have better organization, better ground up,
Speaker 2: ballot chase operations, early voting operations, all of it. And
Speaker 2: you know, to the point I think it's it's necessary
Speaker 2: people understand GOP's got to wake up to this because
Speaker 2: what you said about if it's if it's about ballots
Speaker 2: versus voters, or chasing ballots versus chasing voters, I mean,
Speaker 2: we lose Pennsylvania, it's gonna be really hard to see
Speaker 2: a Republican and I don't care who the candidate is
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four in the White House.
Speaker 1: So that's a number one. Like it's not even worth
Speaker 1: talking about issues unless you can. I mean, legislators should
Speaker 1: be safeguarding that ballot process, but they haven't been very
Speaker 1: good at it. And so it's going to be about
Speaker 1: building the machine, and building the machine in four or
Speaker 1: five states, as you said, Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and
Speaker 1: I'm probably missing one in there, but it's going to
Speaker 1: come down to those. And then I think messaging wise,
Speaker 1: I mean you basically look back at say how a
Speaker 1: lot of it is an economic argument is what did
Speaker 1: your life look like economically when I was president? Visa
Speaker 1: v what you're staring at right now, I think that
Speaker 1: will be effective. Who knows what could happen in between.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're a national security guy too. I mean,
Speaker 1: my goodness, any number of things could could explode between
Speaker 1: now and then two, which could make it a referendum
Speaker 1: on strength on the world stage.
Speaker 2: Well, excuse me, mister army veteran who served in bag death.
Speaker 2: Let's come back here in a second and get your take.
Speaker 2: I want to know what you think about what US
Speaker 2: policy should be. I appreciate your kind words about my
Speaker 2: analytics skills. I want to I want to hear what
Speaker 2: you think we should be doing in Ukraine. What shall
Speaker 2: we say the America first position should be starting with
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Speaker 3: All right, Pete?
Speaker 2: What is the proper And as I said, Petez, a
Speaker 2: veteran of gosh, do you even remember the acronyms?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: What is? It? Was? Was was Iraq OIF?
Speaker 1: And then why Operation Iraqi Freedom right? Operation Enduring Freedom? Yes? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then and then Afghanistan was enduring freedom, is.
Speaker 1: Enduring freedom and it was all the global war against
Speaker 1: a tactic global warrant area.
Speaker 2: I remember reading these reading cables a little CIA analyst
Speaker 2: a bit about this stuff all the time. And now
Speaker 2: the acronyms, my acronyms are as good as they used
Speaker 2: to be. But okay, all right, anyway, Pizza veteran of Iraq,
Speaker 2: tell me, my friend, what should we do about the
Speaker 2: situation in Ukraine?
Speaker 1: De escalate an end it. I don't think it's front
Speaker 1: and center and American interest. I don't think we have
Speaker 1: any interest in a wider war. The premise from the
Speaker 1: beginning was threatening NATO and European security with Ukraine being
Speaker 1: on the front lines. Does anyone really think Vladimir Putin
Speaker 1: is hell bent on going further than Ukraine? At this point,
Speaker 1: I said a couple of weeks in, this feels like
Speaker 1: to give me my shit back war from Vladimir Putin.
Speaker 1: And that doesn't make it right. But it also doesn't
Speaker 1: make it our fight writ large, and so I'm not
Speaker 1: interested in striking into Russia. I'm interested in giving more
Speaker 1: heavy equipment. I think I don't like the fact that
Speaker 1: Russia did it, but spending all this money that we
Speaker 1: don't have and sending weaponry that we could otherwise could
Speaker 1: otherwise be useful more than Europe is doing. I think,
Speaker 1: just continues the idea that they can they can.
Speaker 2: So so President Trump is starting the second term in
Speaker 2: the beginning of first quarter twenty twenty four, Pete he
Speaker 2: sits down with Secretary of Defense Pete hag Seth, which,
Speaker 2: let it be known first time, I think that has
Speaker 2: been said on the airwaves, but I'm just putting it
Speaker 2: out there. So he sits down with sec Def. Pete
Speaker 2: hag Seth in our uh in our scenario here and says,
Speaker 2: what what do you what do you tell him? Give
Speaker 2: them We'll continue the funding for three months pending negotiations,
Speaker 2: and then we would we bring the funding for Ukraine down.
Speaker 2: What do you think the right move is? Like the
Speaker 2: actual action?
Speaker 1: The actual action is if Europe believes this is a
Speaker 1: defense of their own sovereignty and security, then it's time
Speaker 1: for Europe to take not just the lead, but the
Speaker 1: entirety of this fight. So if you if you believe
Speaker 1: this is existential to you, then you can back Selenski,
Speaker 1: you can back Ukraine, you can fight this war. But
Speaker 1: we've been spending now by that point twenty five thirty
Speaker 1: years fighting expeditiously around the globe with very little to gain,
Speaker 1: very little to show for it, let alone the disaster
Speaker 1: that is Afghanistan. So if you believe it's so important
Speaker 1: to take the lead, and maybe there's a taper off
Speaker 1: because you can't just say on day one, see if
Speaker 1: they've been reliant upon certain things, but a very clear
Speaker 1: set of objectives that taper down, that put the ball
Speaker 1: in their court, and ultimately there's pressure for some sort
Speaker 1: of a divided agreement that doesn't you know, you would
Speaker 1: I wouldn't like to see Russia take over the entire country,
Speaker 1: but again that's up to Europe. So you would a
Speaker 1: negotiated settlement or negotiate a piece in light of that
Speaker 1: I think would be the best case scenario.
Speaker 2: One thing I'd like to ask people Pete, as we
Speaker 2: finish up with our guests here, because a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff we talk about its pretty heavy, right we're talking,
Speaker 2: you're you're basically describing how we avoid not just US involvement,
Speaker 2: getting more more serious in Ukraine, you know, world War
Speaker 2: three nuclear exchange, like really heavy stuff, right, heavy stuff,
Speaker 2: and we're talking about you know, a very bruising primary
Speaker 2: that I think is ahead of us, as well as
Speaker 2: a very difficult twenty twenty four election. What are you
Speaker 2: optimistic about? Like, what are you seeing? I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: you're guys, you know you're married, You've got a bunch
Speaker 2: of kids. What makes you think it's it's gonna be okay?
Speaker 1: Not a lot. But what what I am optimistic about
Speaker 1: is the depth of recognition that patriots, Christians, conservatives, whoever
Speaker 1: have of the extent to which the left has captured
Speaker 1: institutions in the one space. I've been really involved in
Speaker 1: the last year's education, and I think we have a
Speaker 1: renaissance opportunity of an awakening of parents realizing that just
Speaker 1: sending your kid on a yellow school bus because you
Speaker 1: did is not going to end well. And so whether
Speaker 1: it's homeschooling or pulling kids out into classical Christian schools
Speaker 1: or other forms of more classical education, creates the opportunity
Speaker 1: for a crop of young kids of the future who
Speaker 1: are grounded in who they are, grounded in real history
Speaker 1: of this country, civics, and prepare the comeback. So, I
Speaker 1: because we're not going to win this politically, We're certainly
Speaker 1: not going to win it militarily, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of reasons to be pessimistic. So it's I think, the
Speaker 1: recognition of folks and then orienting their lives in a
Speaker 1: different direction, rejecting this sort of worldly, inevitable cultural trajectory
Speaker 1: and saying, I'm choosing something else for my kids and
Speaker 1: my grandkids. And I don't know where that leads, but
Speaker 1: I know I'm not going to just be led to
Speaker 1: the slaughter like our institutions are doing right now.
Speaker 3: And you didn't tell me this before. I guess I
Speaker 3: didn't ask.
Speaker 2: But since you kind of turn your nose up at
Speaker 2: Ghostbusters a little bit with some of our well.
Speaker 1: I know, I like the she version of Ghostbusters.
Speaker 2: I say, Pete ain't afraid of no ghost apparently, So
Speaker 2: what is the best movie for Pete hagg Set. I
Speaker 2: made my wife watch Braveheart with me, which is my
Speaker 2: favorite movie Pete just recently, and she fell asleep.
Speaker 1: So that's what happens. You can't translate favorite movie to
Speaker 1: anybody else.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's three hours long, to be fair, but
Speaker 2: she passed out on my shoulder. And then I just
Speaker 2: got to watch William Wallace, you know, do his thing,
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 1: I grew up on sports movies, so I I mean,
Speaker 1: my dad got me hooked on the movie. The Natural
Speaker 1: Hoosiers is one of my favorite movies of all time.
Speaker 2: I'll just I'll narrow this down. What is the best
Speaker 2: sports movie? Then, if we're just doing genre, the best
Speaker 2: sports movie for Pete hagg seth Is Clay and I
Speaker 2: have argued about this one. Actually no, I think we
Speaker 2: agree on this one.
Speaker 1: But I mean, Field the Dreams absolutely kills me. Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean I just love it.
Speaker 3: I think I felt during that one.
Speaker 1: So really, I don't know. I'm maybe I'm a sap
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm a little bit of a sap.
Speaker 1: I mean it's between The Natural Hoosiers and Field of
Speaker 1: Dreams for me favorite movie. I'm such a sucker. I
Speaker 1: don't have.
Speaker 2: Any real Charlie Sheen is turning over in his Actually
Speaker 2: know he's not true. He's still a lot some major
Speaker 2: League is great. It's great, Thank you, major league, buddy.
Speaker 1: Major League? Is that what you guys agreed on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely said major League. I think he said
Speaker 2: that's one of his favorites. The one that I always
Speaker 2: think people like a little too much is Rudy because
Speaker 2: he's great.
Speaker 1: See you love Rudy too, I.
Speaker 2: Sity or I say, you know, he was just okay,
Speaker 2: he got on the field like once, Like who cares.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't really understand.
Speaker 1: Because I'm a Rudy Okay, I got in once, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean people can relate. Not everybody's in the major leagues.
Speaker 1: I mean Rudy did something. I don't know. I like.
Speaker 1: I like all Shank Redemption. I'm just a totally I
Speaker 1: like step brothers. I like terrible movies.
Speaker 3: Love Shawshank.
Speaker 2: You know that it is the most highly rated Rotten
Speaker 2: Tomatoes movie of all time, meaning like the most audience
Speaker 2: audience ratings. It is the number one favorite movie of
Speaker 2: audiences on Rotten Tomatoes. Is Shawshank Redemption, Which when it's.
Speaker 1: On cable and I'm surfing, it will catch me. I will.
Speaker 1: I will watch if it's the right moment.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, Pete, can you just promise this You'll
Speaker 2: save America and we'll let you go.
Speaker 1: Well, likewise, brother, we're gonna keep fighting, no doubt, Pete.
Speaker 2: Accept everybody look from on Fox while I'm on social Beete,
Speaker 2: thanks so much, Thank you,