WEBVTT - Pete Hegseth - There’s a Sleeper Democrat Candidate Everyone Should Keep an Eye On 0:00:11.697 --> 0:00:14.977 You're listening to The Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 0:00:14.977 --> 0:00:17.977 you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 0:00:18.017 --> 0:00:19.897 wherever you get your podcasts. 0:00:20.137 --> 0:00:23.177 Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. A great 0:00:23.217 --> 0:00:27.537 episode for you right now with the United States Army 0:00:27.977 --> 0:00:33.057 veteran and buddy of mine. Now for god twelve or 0:00:33.057 --> 0:00:36.777 thirteen years, we're getting old Pete hag Seth, whom you 0:00:36.817 --> 0:00:39.897 all know from Fox and Friends where he is a 0:00:39.977 --> 0:00:42.497 host on Fox and Friends on the weekends. You know 0:00:42.617 --> 0:00:45.417 him from various shows all across the Fox News and 0:00:45.457 --> 0:00:49.977 Fox Nation. Mister Pete hagg Seth, first time on the Welcome. 0:00:49.817 --> 0:00:51.897 How you doing, man, It's good to talk to you, dude, 0:00:52.217 --> 0:00:52.737 Good to talk to you. 0:00:52.737 --> 0:00:54.657 Do you remember we were just like, you know, a 0:00:54.697 --> 0:00:58.097 couple of kids. Stars in our eyes. You coming out 0:00:58.097 --> 0:01:00.297 of the out of the military, me com out of CIA. 0:01:00.897 --> 0:01:04.457 We're doing some TV stuff and it's like me twenty eleven. 0:01:05.017 --> 0:01:07.017 That's correct. I mean we're both kids. But you were 0:01:07.057 --> 0:01:09.057 the pro You and Will Caine were the pros on 0:01:09.097 --> 0:01:11.137 that show when I came home on it on the Blaze, 0:01:11.297 --> 0:01:14.057 on Real News. I mean, you were to established five 0:01:14.137 --> 0:01:17.097 day a week hoast and I was beyond intimidated. I 0:01:17.097 --> 0:01:19.057 had no idea what I was doing on TV. So 0:01:19.137 --> 0:01:22.097 I was in two days a week learning from you guys. Yeah, 0:01:22.257 --> 0:01:24.777 it feels like forever ago, but it was kind of 0:01:24.817 --> 0:01:27.537 the the original five. I mean it was a real deal. 0:01:27.777 --> 0:01:27.977 Yeah. 0:01:28.057 --> 0:01:29.897 No, we had a great time on that show, Real 0:01:29.937 --> 0:01:35.377 News on the Blaze, Will Caine, Si cup Amy Holmes me, 0:01:35.817 --> 0:01:39.177 you were regular. Jededi Abila was a regular back in 0:01:39.217 --> 0:01:42.697 the day. We had Guy Benson on a lot. We 0:01:42.737 --> 0:01:46.297 had Katie Pavlich. I mean, you go through Carol Markowitz, 0:01:46.337 --> 0:01:48.657 like I think about all the Kaylee Mackin then like I. 0:01:48.697 --> 0:01:49.977 Sit here going mac. 0:01:51.817 --> 0:01:53.977 On Hannity all the time. Sarah Carter was on all 0:01:53.977 --> 0:01:54.297 the time. 0:01:54.457 --> 0:01:56.857 Yeah, Sarah, she was a contributor. She was actually was 0:01:57.017 --> 0:02:00.577 a Blaze. She ran the Blaze documentary unit for a while. 0:02:00.897 --> 0:02:03.417 She's she's an awesome lady. I'm a big Sarah Sarah 0:02:03.497 --> 0:02:04.057 Carter fan. 0:02:04.337 --> 0:02:06.097 So it was. It was an amazing time. 0:02:06.137 --> 0:02:09.057 And obviously I always say a debt of gratitude from 0:02:09.057 --> 0:02:11.937 all of us to Glenn for creating a platform or 0:02:11.977 --> 0:02:13.737 young guys like us could get a start, right. But 0:02:13.777 --> 0:02:17.017 now here you are, mister Fox News host. Mister, I 0:02:17.057 --> 0:02:19.657 see him sometimes hosting in the Aid or The Nine 0:02:19.697 --> 0:02:22.977 as a guest host and doing Weekend Fox and Friends 0:02:22.977 --> 0:02:27.417 with our buddy Will Kine. And I'm wondering how you 0:02:27.497 --> 0:02:31.897 see things right now in this the beginning of this 0:02:31.977 --> 0:02:35.857 election year. Is Joe Biden one hundred percent going to 0:02:35.897 --> 0:02:37.217 be the Democrat nominee? 0:02:37.457 --> 0:02:39.097 Yes or no? And why. 0:02:40.777 --> 0:02:44.257 No? Not one hundred percent? I think it's greater than fifty, 0:02:44.857 --> 0:02:47.817 but it's no to one hundred percent. I mean, anything 0:02:47.857 --> 0:02:50.217 could happen. You saw what happened at the Air Force Academy. 0:02:51.417 --> 0:02:55.417 Something sadly or tragically could happen that could actually disable him. 0:02:55.657 --> 0:02:59.617 But it's you know, there are discussions happening behind the scenes, 0:02:59.657 --> 0:03:02.097 and at what level and how large and how far 0:03:02.097 --> 0:03:05.617 and wide, I don't know. With Kamala Harris behind him, 0:03:05.657 --> 0:03:08.977 there has to be real doom or fear at least 0:03:09.017 --> 0:03:14.017 at some level of what would come of that. But 0:03:14.217 --> 0:03:18.297 I think they really believe, with a culpable media that 0:03:18.337 --> 0:03:23.777 they could pull off Basement three point zero and hope 0:03:23.817 --> 0:03:28.217 to run a foil against Trump and then exercise their 0:03:28.297 --> 0:03:32.497 machine of ballots versus voters and try to pull out 0:03:32.697 --> 0:03:37.537 a weekend at Bernie's re election and then do The 0:03:37.577 --> 0:03:40.297 thing about the Biden presidency is that, you know, he 0:03:40.337 --> 0:03:43.257 talks about it being the dullest presidency of all time. Well, 0:03:43.337 --> 0:03:46.457 it's the radicalism happening under the surface and throughout the 0:03:46.497 --> 0:03:50.577 bureaucracy that loves the dulness because it looks smooth on 0:03:50.617 --> 0:03:53.777 the on the top even though it's a disaster. But underneath, 0:03:53.897 --> 0:03:55.497 a lot's happening. So I think they have a lot 0:03:55.497 --> 0:03:58.057 of incentives around Biden to keep him right where he is. 0:03:58.377 --> 0:04:02.297 I was thinking of that old term you'll here sometimes bromide, 0:04:02.657 --> 0:04:05.577 for you know, the chemical that is an anesthetic and 0:04:05.697 --> 0:04:10.017 knocks people out or you know what is it? Anesthetic 0:04:10.297 --> 0:04:13.497 kills the bacteria. Anyway, I think it it's like, uh, yeah, 0:04:13.537 --> 0:04:18.977 I'm talking about right, yeah, but thank you Biden. Is 0:04:19.097 --> 0:04:21.977 that it's like, oh, you have a booboo, you put 0:04:22.057 --> 0:04:27.977 you know, uh, analgesic anesthetic. Biden is essentially a bromide 0:04:29.577 --> 0:04:35.897 by convincing people that this old man is he can't 0:04:35.937 --> 0:04:38.377 be that radical. He's been in politics for so long. 0:04:38.457 --> 0:04:41.577 And to your point, how different are the policies now? 0:04:41.577 --> 0:04:47.057 And I always say, how different are the policies than 0:04:47.097 --> 0:04:49.337 what you would have gotten with pretty much. And you know, 0:04:49.617 --> 0:04:52.577 even say like an Elizabeth Warren or I would even 0:04:52.657 --> 0:04:56.537 argue Bernie Sanders presidency, Bernie Sanders the tax rate thing 0:04:56.977 --> 0:05:00.577 probably wouldn't go through because the Democrat apparatus, you know, 0:05:00.777 --> 0:05:04.257 has enough fancy donors who would fight against a massive, 0:05:04.297 --> 0:05:08.257 massive tax increase, and Biden and Bernie spending really isn't 0:05:08.297 --> 0:05:10.697 all that different. He wouldn't be able to get through 0:05:11.257 --> 0:05:13.457 if you had a Bernie presidency, he wouldn't be able 0:05:13.457 --> 0:05:15.817 to get through Medicare for All, as he calls it, 0:05:15.857 --> 0:05:18.417 like that wouldn't actually happen, it would blow through. So 0:05:18.497 --> 0:05:20.737 I just feel like, yeah, the left is in charge 0:05:20.737 --> 0:05:24.337 and Biden is the facade. He is the front man. 0:05:24.977 --> 0:05:27.217 That's why there's no serious challenge. That's why there's no 0:05:27.297 --> 0:05:29.497 serious primary challenge. I mean, if he had gone in 0:05:29.617 --> 0:05:33.297 and been any sort of a remote moderate the guy 0:05:33.377 --> 0:05:35.297 he claimed he was, which he never was, He's always 0:05:35.337 --> 0:05:38.497 been a partisan, he would be facing three left wing 0:05:38.537 --> 0:05:43.337 progressives going at him. Instead, they're all silent, they're all 0:05:43.377 --> 0:05:46.417 on board. You got you know, Mary Ann Williamson, an 0:05:46.537 --> 0:05:49.497 RFK junior, who they're going to ignore and not debate, 0:05:49.977 --> 0:05:53.897 even though he's at twenty percent. This is this is 0:05:53.937 --> 0:05:57.497 you know what was it? Nineteen seventy six? Is when 0:05:57.937 --> 0:06:01.417 is when Reagan Primary four? You remember that? I mean 0:06:01.457 --> 0:06:06.657 that was that was legitimately a grassroots conservative movement saying no, no, no, 0:06:06.697 --> 0:06:09.897 we don't want this non incumbent in combent president because 0:06:09.897 --> 0:06:14.217 he's not who represents us. He represents the radical left. 0:06:14.337 --> 0:06:17.657 So why would they challenge him? There? They won't, and 0:06:18.417 --> 0:06:21.057 they believe that because of twenty twenty and twenty twenty 0:06:21.097 --> 0:06:23.737 two that maybe they can even gain seats and get 0:06:23.777 --> 0:06:27.377 even more radical. So why change the guy who's letting 0:06:27.417 --> 0:06:28.577 it all happen under the scenes. 0:06:28.617 --> 0:06:35.017 You're totally right now between Kamala and Gavin Newsom. If 0:06:35.017 --> 0:06:37.617 we're just looking off into the future, who is the 0:06:37.617 --> 0:06:39.897 future of the Democrat Party? As in who you know? 0:06:40.137 --> 0:06:43.657 Remember it's remember Ghostbusters? Ghostbusters? Would you say one of 0:06:43.697 --> 0:06:44.697 your favorite movies growing up? 0:06:44.697 --> 0:06:46.297 Would you get a movie It's a good movie. 0:06:46.177 --> 0:06:48.777 Good movie. Oh okay, he's not going one of his favorites. 0:06:48.857 --> 0:06:49.977 I'm not going all the way. 0:06:50.177 --> 0:06:53.137 Okay, I would go top ten personally, like I would 0:06:53.177 --> 0:06:55.417 say Ghostbusters for me as a kid was a top 0:06:55.457 --> 0:06:58.537 ten movie. But remember the scene where they're like, choose 0:06:58.577 --> 0:07:03.777 the form of the destructor and Marsha stay puff, marshmallow man. 0:07:03.977 --> 0:07:05.417 I mean, if you had to choose the form of 0:07:05.417 --> 0:07:09.777 a Democrat destructor, is it? Is it Gavin Newsom? Is 0:07:09.817 --> 0:07:11.617 it is it? 0:07:11.737 --> 0:07:13.297 Harris? You know, who do you think? 0:07:13.497 --> 0:07:17.657 Because Biden, look, just father time is going to weigh 0:07:17.657 --> 0:07:20.177 in here at some point. Biden, after whatever happens here, 0:07:20.217 --> 0:07:23.137 isn't going to be the guy. So who do you 0:07:23.177 --> 0:07:26.337 think we're up against going forward as the de facto 0:07:26.457 --> 0:07:27.857 leader of the Democrat Party. 0:07:27.977 --> 0:07:32.057 So I'll give you the know, the likely, and the sleeper. 0:07:32.377 --> 0:07:35.217 So the no is Kamala Harris for sure. I mean 0:07:35.257 --> 0:07:38.337 everyone knows it can't be her. The likely is Gavin Newsome, 0:07:38.377 --> 0:07:41.057 Like he looks the part. He'll explain away California, he 0:07:41.177 --> 0:07:44.577 talks their talk. He'll cravingly do the things the base 0:07:44.657 --> 0:07:47.537 wants to do and be smooth enough to make it 0:07:47.577 --> 0:07:50.377 look like, you know, he's the return of JFK, so 0:07:50.577 --> 0:07:53.777 that he would be a likely standard bearer coming out 0:07:53.817 --> 0:07:55.897 of with all that money out of California, and you 0:07:56.017 --> 0:07:58.097 have to explain away his record, but he'd just say 0:07:58.257 --> 0:08:01.257 the work isn't finished. Buck, I mean the. 0:08:01.097 --> 0:08:05.257 Progress is just like the old Soviet Union. You just 0:08:05.257 --> 0:08:06.577 got to wait five more years. 0:08:06.577 --> 0:08:06.737 Man. 0:08:06.777 --> 0:08:08.217 It just they're just not done yet. 0:08:08.417 --> 0:08:11.337 Five years and five trillion away from utopia. We're almost 0:08:11.457 --> 0:08:14.417 so that would be his argument. But the sleeper is 0:08:14.497 --> 0:08:21.697 Wes Moore, governor out of Maryland. Black guy, young army vet. 0:08:22.257 --> 0:08:25.297 They take to the bank, Buck. I'm telling you, he's 0:08:25.337 --> 0:08:28.177 had a couple of best selling books. He's beloved by 0:08:28.257 --> 0:08:36.417 kind of the Manhattan mainstream media elite crowd. He's smart. 0:08:36.977 --> 0:08:38.657 I don't know what he's done in Maryland. I just 0:08:39.657 --> 0:08:41.537 being in the vet space, I've kind of you're kind 0:08:41.537 --> 0:08:43.897 of aware of people. And when I watched the way 0:08:43.937 --> 0:08:47.377 he steamrolled the primary and then won the election in Maryland, 0:08:47.417 --> 0:08:49.177 and the way they've elevated him, the way he was 0:08:49.217 --> 0:08:53.417 already on TV. Watch him. He could be the kind 0:08:53.417 --> 0:08:57.137 of guy that, in twenty twenty eight is a standard 0:08:57.177 --> 0:08:58.457 bearer for the party. 0:08:58.697 --> 0:09:01.297 Years people, I never discount these things. 0:09:01.417 --> 0:09:03.337 I mean in this case, you know, I mean, you're 0:09:03.377 --> 0:09:06.177 Pete Hegsatt, so you know some stuff about some things. 0:09:06.577 --> 0:09:08.577 But I will tell you, man, years ago, I did 0:09:08.657 --> 0:09:14.497 a radio state event in Fort Wayne, Indiana, Okay, and 0:09:14.697 --> 0:09:18.577 one of the regional hosts, regional hosts who was also 0:09:19.057 --> 0:09:21.817 you know an iHeartMedia radio host. Guy came up to 0:09:21.857 --> 0:09:25.177 me and he said he was a host in h 0:09:25.377 --> 0:09:29.297 South Bend, Indiana. Now I'm talking. This is I'm trying 0:09:29.297 --> 0:09:32.137 to think of the year. This is Trump presidency, maybe 0:09:32.217 --> 0:09:36.417 like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, early Trump presidency. Okay, and 0:09:36.457 --> 0:09:38.377 he pulls me aside and he goes, I just want 0:09:38.377 --> 0:09:40.857 you to know him. His name is Casey. So Casey 0:09:41.017 --> 0:09:45.137 ever here was watching Casey. He's a host in South Bend, Indiana. 0:09:45.137 --> 0:09:46.577 I'm just bring this up because who do you think? 0:09:46.577 --> 0:09:48.657 He tells me that, he goes, just so you know, 0:09:49.457 --> 0:09:54.617 the mayor here, Pete Boudha Judge thinks he should be president, 0:09:55.097 --> 0:09:57.497 is going to run for president and is going to 0:09:57.537 --> 0:10:00.137 be a national figure for the Democrats. And I remember 0:10:00.137 --> 0:10:02.657 I looked at I looked at Casey. I was like, dude, 0:10:02.897 --> 0:10:06.777 like the mayor, the mayor of South Bend, Indiana. It's like, 0:10:06.977 --> 0:10:10.777 what's next, like you know, the you know, like I 0:10:10.777 --> 0:10:13.457 I sat there as like like the dog catcher from 0:10:13.497 --> 0:10:16.217 bangor Maine or something like who is going to be 0:10:16.217 --> 0:10:21.137 in charge? And sure enough, sure enough? So you can't 0:10:21.257 --> 0:10:23.657 you know some people can pick this early on. They 0:10:23.657 --> 0:10:25.657 can understand who's book. 0:10:25.497 --> 0:10:29.217 Called The Other Wes Moore, which is about another the 0:10:29.577 --> 0:10:33.457 trajectory of people of his generation, another kid that looked 0:10:33.497 --> 0:10:35.297 like him that went went to prison. I don't know 0:10:35.337 --> 0:10:37.697 the whole context of it, but I'm just telling you 0:10:37.737 --> 0:10:40.737 he's known amongst the known class of the Democrat Party. 0:10:41.697 --> 0:10:44.097 And I haven't heard him speak on the stump, so 0:10:44.097 --> 0:10:46.177 I don't know about that. But they're going to be 0:10:46.217 --> 0:10:50.657 looking for somebody, young, fresh, new who can who will 0:10:50.657 --> 0:10:53.177 do their bidding. And he's a hard lefty. 0:10:53.097 --> 0:10:55.177 That's really interesting. We'll take Well, I'm gonna look more 0:10:55.177 --> 0:10:57.417 into his background, this Wes Moore guy who's the governor 0:10:57.417 --> 0:11:01.537 of Maryland and see uh, because I understand, man, this 0:11:01.617 --> 0:11:03.657 is the the Democrat apparatus. 0:11:04.417 --> 0:11:06.337 We're in the kind of moment where I don't think 0:11:06.337 --> 0:11:07.977 it's gonna work on the Republicans aid, I'm sure we'll 0:11:08.017 --> 0:11:09.977 talk about this. 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Tell me, tell 0:13:25.297 --> 0:13:28.777 me how you see the GOP primary playing out, and 0:13:28.897 --> 0:13:31.777 just we all understand you are going to upset some 0:13:31.937 --> 0:13:33.977 primary voters, but go ahead. 0:13:34.017 --> 0:13:38.297 That's fine, we're in the business of upsetting people. I'm 0:13:38.297 --> 0:13:40.817 gonna I'm going to try to step back as objectively 0:13:40.857 --> 0:13:43.937 as I can Buck And I'm clearly biased. I've been 0:13:43.977 --> 0:13:46.337 a big, big supporter President Trump for a long time. 0:13:47.777 --> 0:13:53.377 I don't see how anyone else captures a plurality, let 0:13:53.417 --> 0:13:57.377 alone a majority of the Republican base after what has 0:13:57.817 --> 0:14:01.657 been done to Trump's post presidency. The two biggest in 0:14:01.857 --> 0:14:05.857 kind donors to Trump are the FBI and Alvin Bragg. 0:14:07.217 --> 0:14:11.897 They have reinvigorated this that they tried to prevent him 0:14:11.937 --> 0:14:15.337 from running. They tried to stifle his entire presidency, and 0:14:15.377 --> 0:14:17.057 now they're trying to put him in jail and prevent 0:14:17.137 --> 0:14:21.217 him from running again, which reminds them that he's been 0:14:21.257 --> 0:14:23.377 the one willing to fight the way no one else has. 0:14:23.537 --> 0:14:25.937 And and that's one part of it. The other part 0:14:25.977 --> 0:14:30.017 is I don't see how a dissent it really is, DeSantis. 0:14:30.017 --> 0:14:32.057 I mean, maybe there's someone else that will sneak up there. 0:14:32.537 --> 0:14:35.337 I don't see how you're really just gonna throw Asa 0:14:35.417 --> 0:14:37.737 Hutchinson by the side of the road there, buddy, you 0:14:37.737 --> 0:14:39.057 know you're not team ASA. 0:14:39.737 --> 0:14:44.377 Maybe Burgham, Okay, maybe Burgham. Maybe Team ASA and Bergham, 0:14:44.417 --> 0:14:47.177 you never know. I mean, there's so many people who 0:14:47.257 --> 0:14:49.777 have zero rationale, but lots of consultants. 0:14:49.977 --> 0:14:50.737 Uh sure. 0:14:51.297 --> 0:14:53.417 Everyone else running buck you know, is running on the 0:14:53.417 --> 0:14:56.497 premise that some some nuclear bombs gonna go off, something's 0:14:56.497 --> 0:15:00.017 gonna reshuffle the entire race and and create a free 0:15:00.057 --> 0:15:02.057 for all. Something would have to happen to Trump in 0:15:02.097 --> 0:15:04.977 that center, or they're running specifically to just be on 0:15:05.017 --> 0:15:07.937 the right side of history. Running against Trump. It's all nonsense. 0:15:08.297 --> 0:15:11.777 So if DeSantis would have to find a way legitimately 0:15:11.817 --> 0:15:15.057 to indict Trump, be better than Trump? 0:15:15.857 --> 0:15:17.177 And wait, can I just be clear? 0:15:17.377 --> 0:15:19.097 You mean to see how he does when you. 0:15:19.057 --> 0:15:21.377 Say indict because like that, I mean, I. 0:15:21.377 --> 0:15:24.897 Mean in Punee, in Pune, because we'll talk about the 0:15:24.937 --> 0:15:29.937 indictment in a second. Impune his record, go after his 0:15:30.057 --> 0:15:34.657 personality without going at his base. I've heard people say 0:15:34.697 --> 0:15:36.937 it's twenty five percent. Maybe it's I think it's the 0:15:36.977 --> 0:15:40.297 base's higher thirty thirty five as a core base, and 0:15:40.337 --> 0:15:42.737 then you've got a floating twenty twenty five to thirty 0:15:42.777 --> 0:15:46.337 that are pro Trump. But kind of what did he say? 0:15:46.537 --> 0:15:48.537 But this is this is the voted for him twice, 0:15:48.577 --> 0:15:50.977 but not sure they should vote from a third time contingent. 0:15:51.417 --> 0:15:56.097 But this contingent keeps getting pulled back to him because 0:15:56.137 --> 0:15:58.937 of two things. What is continues to be done to 0:15:59.017 --> 0:16:02.657 Trump and that I just don't think DeSantis has shown 0:16:02.737 --> 0:16:04.817 up to be the type of candidate they thought he 0:16:04.817 --> 0:16:08.257 would be. And so the closer you look, and I 0:16:08.377 --> 0:16:11.217 like DeSantis a lot, I think he was a great governor, 0:16:11.257 --> 0:16:15.577 but the closer you look, he's not as spectacular or 0:16:15.617 --> 0:16:19.257 as good as people thought he was. So and the 0:16:19.257 --> 0:16:23.057 more candidates that get in, the more it dilutes the 0:16:23.137 --> 0:16:28.097 opposition to Trump. I'd need someone smarter than me to 0:16:28.697 --> 0:16:32.617 truly lay out absent a massive change, and we've seen 0:16:32.617 --> 0:16:35.057 a lot of things that should look like massive changes 0:16:35.057 --> 0:16:38.297 in the past for Donald Trump that haven't manifest. Absent that, 0:16:38.897 --> 0:16:42.497 what a real path is to winning the nomination against 0:16:42.537 --> 0:16:44.737 Donald Trump. I guess the only one I would give it, 0:16:44.777 --> 0:16:46.657 I'll toss it back to you is the ability to 0:16:46.697 --> 0:16:50.337 gather support in an early state in Iowa, New Hampshire, 0:16:50.457 --> 0:16:53.817 or South Carolina that creates the perception there's a real opponent. 0:16:53.857 --> 0:16:55.737 I mean, I think Trump is going to lose in Iowa. 0:16:55.777 --> 0:16:57.737 I think he's probably going to lose in New Hampshire, 0:16:58.097 --> 0:16:59.817 and then I think we're going to see who's actually 0:16:59.817 --> 0:17:01.537 going to win the primary after that. I mean Ted 0:17:01.617 --> 0:17:05.017 Cruz won the primary against Trump in Iowa in twenty sixteen, 0:17:05.057 --> 0:17:07.177 and we all saw were that one. 0:17:07.257 --> 0:17:09.657 Now, why do you think he'll lose in Iowa New Hampshire. 0:17:11.097 --> 0:17:14.497 I think he'll lose in Iowa because the caucus system 0:17:14.937 --> 0:17:17.577 is first of all, the kind of voters who are there, 0:17:18.297 --> 0:17:21.417 and the caucus system is it's it's funny every time 0:17:21.657 --> 0:17:24.617 that it's like Iowa time, everyone starts reading on the 0:17:24.617 --> 0:17:27.417 caucuses and everything else. I think that organization wins the 0:17:27.457 --> 0:17:30.657 day there, and the campaign that is going to be 0:17:30.697 --> 0:17:34.337 sort of more organized and on it is likely to pull. 0:17:34.457 --> 0:17:36.777 You know, when I say on it, I mean precise, 0:17:36.897 --> 0:17:40.217 detail oriented and playing the system that way. I think 0:17:40.257 --> 0:17:43.697 in New Hampshire it's just a function of you have 0:17:43.817 --> 0:17:46.337 more I mean, look, you know some new news the governor. 0:17:46.457 --> 0:17:50.537 You have more of these moderate Republican types and less 0:17:50.577 --> 0:17:52.897 of the base. So I think that'll be a tough 0:17:52.937 --> 0:17:54.737 one for Trump, who's. 0:17:54.417 --> 0:17:57.497 Going to gather that moderate lane and take it like 0:17:57.537 --> 0:18:00.417 you could see it in twenty twenty sixteen. You could 0:18:00.457 --> 0:18:01.057 see right. 0:18:01.417 --> 0:18:03.777 I mean Ted Cruz winning Iowa in twenty sixteen didn't 0:18:03.777 --> 0:18:04.577 surprise anybody. 0:18:04.617 --> 0:18:07.577 You could see Cruise appealing to people. You could see Rubio, 0:18:07.737 --> 0:18:09.617 you know, he won Minnesota. I remember that. You could 0:18:09.657 --> 0:18:14.657 seem is it DeSantis or is there a third candidate 0:18:14.657 --> 0:18:17.697 you're looking at that says while that guy or Gal's 0:18:17.737 --> 0:18:18.537 gonna bust out? 0:18:19.457 --> 0:18:21.737 No, I mean it's it's Trump or DeSantis. I look, 0:18:21.777 --> 0:18:23.417 I think DeSantis will do well in Iowa. I think 0:18:23.457 --> 0:18:25.737 he'll do well in New Hampshire, and then I think 0:18:26.057 --> 0:18:28.137 the real I mean, we've got to remember, dude, Joe 0:18:28.217 --> 0:18:31.177 Biden was trailing in the early states as well in 0:18:31.217 --> 0:18:33.977 the Democrat primary. So that's not to say, oh, well, 0:18:33.977 --> 0:18:36.657 like I right now, I think you could probably get 0:18:36.737 --> 0:18:41.457 Vegas odds three to one in favor of Trump winning. 0:18:41.497 --> 0:18:43.377 I think that maybe two to one. But like, I 0:18:43.377 --> 0:18:46.337 think Trump winning the primary is the likeliest outcome. I'm 0:18:46.377 --> 0:18:48.777 just saying I think that i was probably the place 0:18:49.137 --> 0:18:52.937 where you'll where you'll see an early Dysantis win, and 0:18:53.017 --> 0:18:55.057 New Hampshire might be a little bit, a little bit tougher. 0:18:55.097 --> 0:18:58.617 I don't think did I'm trying to remember did Trump 0:18:58.737 --> 0:19:00.697 He did win New Hampshire right in twenty sixteen. I'm 0:19:00.697 --> 0:19:01.817 trying to go and if. 0:19:01.697 --> 0:19:04.577 I'm mistaken, the polls show him up unless I'm mistaken 0:19:04.697 --> 0:19:06.977 up in Iowa and New Hampshire right now. 0:19:06.897 --> 0:19:09.857 I think I think the polls at this point, you know, 0:19:09.857 --> 0:19:12.257 are a little bit of a Again, Pete, the good 0:19:12.297 --> 0:19:14.657 news is we'll have you back on and we could 0:19:14.697 --> 0:19:17.497 talk about whether I'm right or wrong on this prediction. 0:19:17.817 --> 0:19:20.417 So my prediction would be Trump I think wins the primary. 0:19:20.497 --> 0:19:22.497 I just think he might lose a state or two 0:19:22.657 --> 0:19:26.777 before it gets into the big and I. 0:19:26.697 --> 0:19:29.817 Could be clouded in my judgment. Buck who knows, but 0:19:30.457 --> 0:19:32.017 I think it's over by South Carolina. 0:19:32.217 --> 0:19:34.937 All that All that really matters is who wins the primary, right, 0:19:34.977 --> 0:19:37.137 I mean it's not like like no one cares about 0:19:37.217 --> 0:19:39.377 Jeb's one delegate. Remember that Jeb got He spent one 0:19:39.417 --> 0:19:43.257 hundred million dollars and he ended up with one delegate 0:19:43.417 --> 0:19:46.297 and it was Jeb exclamation points. That was his thing. 0:19:46.337 --> 0:19:49.257 I mean, that was quite that was it. 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