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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. A great

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Speaker 2: episode for you right now with the United States Army

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Speaker 2: veteran and buddy of mine. Now for god twelve or

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Speaker 2: thirteen years, we're getting old Pete hag Seth, whom you

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Speaker 2: all know from Fox and Friends where he is a

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Speaker 2: host on Fox and Friends on the weekends. You know

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Speaker 2: him from various shows all across the Fox News and

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Speaker 2: Fox Nation. Mister Pete hagg Seth, first time on the Welcome.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, man, It's good to talk to you, dude,

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Speaker 1: Good to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember we were just like, you know, a

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Speaker 2: couple of kids. Stars in our eyes. You coming out

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Speaker 2: of the out of the military, me com out of CIA.

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Speaker 2: We're doing some TV stuff and it's like me twenty eleven.

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Speaker 1: That's correct. I mean we're both kids. But you were

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Speaker 1: the pro You and Will Caine were the pros on

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Speaker 1: that show when I came home on it on the Blaze,

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Speaker 1: on Real News. I mean, you were to established five

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Speaker 1: day a week hoast and I was beyond intimidated. I

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Speaker 1: had no idea what I was doing on TV. So

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Speaker 1: I was in two days a week learning from you guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it feels like forever ago, but it was kind of

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Speaker 1: the the original five. I mean it was a real deal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, we had a great time on that show, Real

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Speaker 2: News on the Blaze, Will Caine, Si cup Amy Holmes me,

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Speaker 2: you were regular. Jededi Abila was a regular back in

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Speaker 2: the day. We had Guy Benson on a lot. We

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Speaker 2: had Katie Pavlich. I mean, you go through Carol Markowitz,

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Speaker 2: like I think about all the Kaylee Mackin then like I.

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Speaker 3: Sit here going mac.

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Speaker 1: On Hannity all the time. Sarah Carter was on all

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Speaker 1: the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sarah, she was a contributor. She was actually was

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Speaker 2: a Blaze. She ran the Blaze documentary unit for a while.

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Speaker 2: She's she's an awesome lady. I'm a big Sarah Sarah

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Speaker 3: So it was. It was an amazing time.

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Speaker 2: And obviously I always say a debt of gratitude from

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Speaker 2: all of us to Glenn for creating a platform or

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Speaker 2: young guys like us could get a start, right. But

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Speaker 2: now here you are, mister Fox News host. Mister, I

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Speaker 2: see him sometimes hosting in the Aid or The Nine

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Speaker 2: as a guest host and doing Weekend Fox and Friends

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Speaker 2: with our buddy Will Kine. And I'm wondering how you

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Speaker 2: see things right now in this the beginning of this

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Speaker 2: election year. Is Joe Biden one hundred percent going to

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Speaker 2: be the Democrat nominee?

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Speaker 3: Yes or no? And why.

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Speaker 1: No? Not one hundred percent? I think it's greater than fifty,

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Speaker 1: but it's no to one hundred percent. I mean, anything

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Speaker 1: could happen. You saw what happened at the Air Force Academy.

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Speaker 1: Something sadly or tragically could happen that could actually disable him.

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Speaker 1: But it's you know, there are discussions happening behind the scenes,

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Speaker 1: and at what level and how large and how far

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Speaker 1: there has to be real doom or fear at least

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Speaker 1: I think they really believe, with a culpable media that

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Speaker 1: they could pull off Basement three point zero and hope

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Speaker 1: to run a foil against Trump and then exercise their

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Speaker 1: machine of ballots versus voters and try to pull out

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Speaker 1: a weekend at Bernie's re election and then do The

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Speaker 1: thing about the Biden presidency is that, you know, he

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Speaker 1: talks about it being the dullest presidency of all time. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's the radicalism happening under the surface and throughout the

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Speaker 1: the on the top even though it's a disaster. But underneath,

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Speaker 1: a lot's happening. So I think they have a lot

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Speaker 1: of incentives around Biden to keep him right where he is.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking of that old term you'll here sometimes bromide,

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Speaker 2: for you know, the chemical that is an anesthetic and

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Speaker 2: knocks people out or you know what is it? Anesthetic

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Speaker 2: kills the bacteria. Anyway, I think it it's like, uh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about right, yeah, but thank you Biden. Is

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Speaker 2: by convincing people that this old man is he can't

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Speaker 2: And to your point, how different are the policies now?

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Speaker 2: And I always say, how different are the policies than

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Speaker 2: what you would have gotten with pretty much. And you know,

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Speaker 2: probably wouldn't go through because the Democrat apparatus, you know,

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Speaker 2: all that different. He wouldn't be able to get through

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Speaker 2: if you had a Bernie presidency, he wouldn't be able

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Speaker 2: to get through Medicare for All, as he calls it,

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Speaker 2: like that wouldn't actually happen, it would blow through. So

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Speaker 2: I just feel like, yeah, the left is in charge

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Speaker 2: and Biden is the facade. He is the front man.

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Speaker 1: That's why there's no serious challenge. That's why there's no

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Speaker 1: on board. You got you know, Mary Ann Williamson, an

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Speaker 1: even though he's at twenty percent. This is this is

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Speaker 1: you know what was it? Nineteen seventy six? Is when

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Speaker 1: is when Reagan Primary four? You remember that? I mean

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Speaker 1: that was that was legitimately a grassroots conservative movement saying no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: we don't want this non incumbent in combent president because

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Speaker 1: he's not who represents us. He represents the radical left.

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Speaker 1: So why would they challenge him? There? They won't, and

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Speaker 1: they believe that because of twenty twenty and twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: even more radical. So why change the guy who's letting

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Speaker 1: it all happen under the scenes.

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Speaker 2: You're totally right now between Kamala and Gavin Newsom. If

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Speaker 2: we're just looking off into the future, who is the

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Speaker 2: future of the Democrat Party? As in who you know?

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Speaker 2: Remember it's remember Ghostbusters? Ghostbusters? Would you say one of

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Speaker 2: your favorite movies growing up?

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Speaker 1: Would you get a movie It's a good movie.

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Speaker 3: Good movie. Oh okay, he's not going one of his favorites.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going all the way.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I would go top ten personally, like I would

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Speaker 2: say Ghostbusters for me as a kid was a top

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Speaker 2: ten movie. But remember the scene where they're like, choose

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Speaker 2: the form of the destructor and Marsha stay puff, marshmallow man.

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Speaker 3: Harris? You know, who do you think?

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Speaker 2: Because Biden, look, just father time is going to weigh

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Speaker 2: in here at some point. Biden, after whatever happens here,

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Speaker 2: think we're up against going forward as the de facto

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Speaker 1: So I'll give you the know, the likely, and the sleeper.

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Speaker 1: So the no is Kamala Harris for sure. I mean

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Speaker 1: everyone knows it can't be her. The likely is Gavin Newsome,

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Speaker 1: Like he looks the part. He'll explain away California, he

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Speaker 1: talks their talk. He'll cravingly do the things the base

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Speaker 1: that he would be a likely standard bearer coming out

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Speaker 1: of with all that money out of California, and you

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Speaker 1: have to explain away his record, but he'd just say

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Speaker 1: the work isn't finished. Buck, I mean the.

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Speaker 2: Progress is just like the old Soviet Union. You just

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Speaker 2: got to wait five more years.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: It just they're just not done yet.

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Speaker 1: Five years and five trillion away from utopia. We're almost

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Speaker 1: so that would be his argument. But the sleeper is

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Speaker 1: Wes Moore, governor out of Maryland. Black guy, young army vet.

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Speaker 1: They take to the bank, Buck. I'm telling you, he's

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Speaker 1: had a couple of best selling books. He's beloved by

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Speaker 1: kind of the Manhattan mainstream media elite crowd. He's smart.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what he's done in Maryland. I just

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Speaker 1: being in the vet space, I've kind of you're kind

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Speaker 1: and the way they've elevated him, the way he was

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Speaker 1: already on TV. Watch him. He could be the kind

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Speaker 3: Years people, I never discount these things.

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Speaker 2: I mean in this case, you know, I mean, you're

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Speaker 2: Pete Hegsatt, so you know some stuff about some things.

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Speaker 2: But I will tell you, man, years ago, I did

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Speaker 2: a radio state event in Fort Wayne, Indiana, Okay, and

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Speaker 2: you know an iHeartMedia radio host. Guy came up to

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Speaker 2: South Bend, Indiana. Now I'm talking. This is I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to think of the year. This is Trump presidency, maybe

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Speaker 2: he pulls me aside and he goes, I just want

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Speaker 2: you to know him. His name is Casey. So Casey

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Speaker 2: ever here was watching Casey. He's a host in South Bend, Indiana.

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Speaker 2: I'm just bring this up because who do you think?

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Speaker 2: He tells me that, he goes, just so you know,

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Speaker 2: the mayor here, Pete Boudha Judge thinks he should be president,

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Speaker 2: I looked at I looked at Casey. I was like, dude,

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Speaker 2: like the mayor, the mayor of South Bend, Indiana. It's like,

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Speaker 2: I sat there as like like the dog catcher from

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Speaker 2: in charge? And sure enough, sure enough? So you can't

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Speaker 2: you know some people can pick this early on. They

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Speaker 2: can understand who's book.

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Speaker 1: Called The Other Wes Moore, which is about another the

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Speaker 1: trajectory of people of his generation, another kid that looked

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Speaker 1: like him that went went to prison. I don't know

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Speaker 1: the whole context of it, but I'm just telling you

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Speaker 1: he's known amongst the known class of the Democrat Party.

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Speaker 1: And I haven't heard him speak on the stump, so

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that. But they're going to be

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Speaker 1: looking for somebody, young, fresh, new who can who will

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Speaker 2: That's really interesting. We'll take Well, I'm gonna look more

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Speaker 2: into his background, this Wes Moore guy who's the governor

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Speaker 2: of Maryland and see uh, because I understand, man, this

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Speaker 2: is the the Democrat apparatus.

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Speaker 1: We're in the kind of moment where I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna work on the Republicans aid, I'm sure we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about this. But a guy like the vag Ramaswami

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Speaker 1: talked about his corporate background, made a bunch of money.

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Speaker 1: I heard him give a speech at a Fox Nation

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Speaker 1: that guy's can run for president, Like he's super ambitious,

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Speaker 1: very smart, and we'll do nothing but good for himself

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Speaker 1: So if DeSantis would have to find a way legitimately

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Speaker 2: But this is this is the voted for him twice,

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Speaker 1: I'll toss it back to you is the ability to

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think Trump is going to lose in Iowa.

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Speaker 1: Now, why do you think he'll lose in Iowa New Hampshire.

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Speaker 2: I mean Ted Cruz winning Iowa in twenty sixteen didn't

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Speaker 1: You could see Cruise appealing to people. You could see Rubio,

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Speaker 2: No, I mean it's it's Trump or DeSantis. I look,

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Speaker 2: New Hampshire might be a little bit, a little bit tougher.

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Speaker 2: I think I think the polls at this point, you know,

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Speaker 2: So my prediction would be Trump I think wins the primary.

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Speaker 1: Could be clouded in my judgment. Buck who knows, but

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Speaker 1: paying them for the ballot, which is what the left

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Speaker 1: will do, but actually making sure because there will be

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Speaker 1: such low enthusiasm for Biden, you know that. You see,

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Speaker 1: what is it? A majority of Democrat voters don't even

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Speaker 1: want to run. So it's not like people are going

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Speaker 1: to run to the polls or run to send in

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Speaker 1: their ballots on the Democrat side. They're going to rely

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Speaker 1: on hunting down low propensity voters across the spectrum and

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Speaker 1: harvesting their ballots using the COVID protocols and having ballots

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Speaker 1: beat voters. And so I don't think a victory is

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Speaker 1: possible unless a machine is built that does it as

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Speaker 1: well or better than the left does. Churches, gun clubs,

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Speaker 1: outside supermarkets, whatever, it is finding people, registering them and

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Speaker 1: turning in absentee ballots or mail in ballots in the

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Speaker 1: way that left us. I would like that system. I

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Speaker 1: wish we could get rid of it, but we better

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Speaker 1: do it better.

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Speaker 2: My I mean, our friend Sean Parnell, buddy of ours.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've talked to him pretty extensively. He's got

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Speaker 2: a great podcast and I was on and we've talked

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Speaker 2: about he knows obviously the Pennsylvania system, having run for

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Speaker 2: Congress and run for Senate well, and he's just like,

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Speaker 2: you got to understand Democrats have.

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Speaker 3: It's if you're thinking about this.

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Speaker 2: In warfare terms, they've got more divisions with more artillery

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Speaker 2: pieces and more ammunition than the Republicans do. Irrespective of

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Speaker 2: the candidate situation, they just have better organization, better ground up,

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Speaker 2: ballot chase operations, early voting operations, all of it. And

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Speaker 2: you know, to the point I think it's it's necessary

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Speaker 2: people understand GOP's got to wake up to this because

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Speaker 2: what you said about if it's if it's about ballots

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Speaker 2: versus voters, or chasing ballots versus chasing voters, I mean,

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Speaker 2: we lose Pennsylvania, it's gonna be really hard to see

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Speaker 2: a Republican and I don't care who the candidate is

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four in the White House.

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Speaker 1: So that's a number one. Like it's not even worth

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Speaker 1: talking about issues unless you can. I mean, legislators should

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Speaker 1: be safeguarding that ballot process, but they haven't been very

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Speaker 1: good at it. And so it's going to be about

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Speaker 1: building the machine, and building the machine in four or

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Speaker 1: five states, as you said, Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and

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Speaker 1: I'm probably missing one in there, but it's going to

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Speaker 1: come down to those. And then I think messaging wise,

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Speaker 1: I mean you basically look back at say how a

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Speaker 1: lot of it is an economic argument is what did

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Speaker 1: your life look like economically when I was president? Visa

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Speaker 1: v what you're staring at right now, I think that

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Speaker 1: will be effective. Who knows what could happen in between.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're a national security guy too. I mean,

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Speaker 1: my goodness, any number of things could could explode between

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Speaker 1: now and then two, which could make it a referendum

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Speaker 1: on strength on the world stage.

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Speaker 2: Well, excuse me, mister army veteran who served in bag death.

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Speaker 2: Let's come back here in a second and get your take.

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Speaker 2: I want to know what you think about what US

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Speaker 2: policy should be. I appreciate your kind words about my

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Speaker 3: All right, Pete?

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Speaker 2: What is the proper And as I said, Petez, a

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Speaker 2: veteran of gosh, do you even remember the acronyms?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 3: What is? It? Was? Was was Iraq OIF?

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Speaker 1: And then why Operation Iraqi Freedom right? Operation Enduring Freedom? Yes? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And then and then Afghanistan was enduring freedom, is.

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Speaker 1: Enduring freedom and it was all the global war against

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Speaker 1: a tactic global warrant area.

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Speaker 2: I remember reading these reading cables a little CIA analyst

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Speaker 2: a bit about this stuff all the time. And now

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Speaker 2: the acronyms, my acronyms are as good as they used

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Speaker 2: to be. But okay, all right, anyway, Pizza veteran of Iraq,

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Speaker 2: tell me, my friend, what should we do about the

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Speaker 2: situation in Ukraine?

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Speaker 1: De escalate an end it. I don't think it's front

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Speaker 1: and center and American interest. I don't think we have

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Speaker 1: any interest in a wider war. The premise from the

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Speaker 1: beginning was threatening NATO and European security with Ukraine being

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Speaker 1: on the front lines. Does anyone really think Vladimir Putin

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Speaker 1: is hell bent on going further than Ukraine? At this point,

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Speaker 1: I said a couple of weeks in, this feels like

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Speaker 1: to give me my shit back war from Vladimir Putin.

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Speaker 1: And that doesn't make it right. But it also doesn't

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Speaker 1: make it our fight writ large, and so I'm not

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Speaker 1: interested in striking into Russia. I'm interested in giving more

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Speaker 1: heavy equipment. I think I don't like the fact that

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Speaker 1: Russia did it, but spending all this money that we

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Speaker 1: don't have and sending weaponry that we could otherwise could

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Speaker 1: otherwise be useful more than Europe is doing. I think,

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Speaker 1: just continues the idea that they can they can.

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Speaker 2: So so President Trump is starting the second term in

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Speaker 2: the beginning of first quarter twenty twenty four, Pete he

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Speaker 2: sits down with Secretary of Defense Pete hag Seth, which,

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Speaker 2: let it be known first time, I think that has

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Speaker 2: been said on the airwaves, but I'm just putting it

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Speaker 2: out there. So he sits down with sec Def. Pete

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Speaker 2: hag Seth in our uh in our scenario here and says,

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Speaker 2: what what do you what do you tell him? Give

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Speaker 2: them We'll continue the funding for three months pending negotiations,

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Speaker 2: and then we would we bring the funding for Ukraine down.

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Speaker 2: What do you think the right move is? Like the

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Speaker 2: actual action?

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Speaker 1: The actual action is if Europe believes this is a

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Speaker 1: defense of their own sovereignty and security, then it's time

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Speaker 1: for Europe to take not just the lead, but the

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Speaker 1: entirety of this fight. So if you if you believe

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Speaker 1: this is existential to you, then you can back Selenski,

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Speaker 1: you can back Ukraine, you can fight this war. But

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Speaker 1: we've been spending now by that point twenty five thirty

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Speaker 1: years fighting expeditiously around the globe with very little to gain,

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Speaker 1: very little to show for it, let alone the disaster

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Speaker 1: that is Afghanistan. So if you believe it's so important

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Speaker 1: to take the lead, and maybe there's a taper off

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Speaker 1: because you can't just say on day one, see if

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Speaker 1: they've been reliant upon certain things, but a very clear

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Speaker 1: set of objectives that taper down, that put the ball

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Speaker 1: in their court, and ultimately there's pressure for some sort

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Speaker 1: of a divided agreement that doesn't you know, you would

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't like to see Russia take over the entire country,

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Speaker 1: but again that's up to Europe. So you would a

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Speaker 1: negotiated settlement or negotiate a piece in light of that

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Speaker 1: I think would be the best case scenario.

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Speaker 2: One thing I'd like to ask people Pete, as we

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Speaker 2: finish up with our guests here, because a lot of

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Speaker 2: stuff we talk about its pretty heavy, right we're talking,

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Speaker 2: you're you're basically describing how we avoid not just US involvement,

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Speaker 2: getting more more serious in Ukraine, you know, world War

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Speaker 2: three nuclear exchange, like really heavy stuff, right, heavy stuff,

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Speaker 2: and we're talking about you know, a very bruising primary

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Speaker 2: that I think is ahead of us, as well as

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Speaker 2: a very difficult twenty twenty four election. What are you

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Speaker 2: optimistic about? Like, what are you seeing? I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: you're guys, you know you're married, You've got a bunch

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Speaker 2: of kids. What makes you think it's it's gonna be okay?

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Speaker 1: Not a lot. But what what I am optimistic about

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Speaker 1: is the depth of recognition that patriots, Christians, conservatives, whoever

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Speaker 1: have of the extent to which the left has captured

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Speaker 1: institutions in the one space. I've been really involved in

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Speaker 1: the last year's education, and I think we have a

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Speaker 1: renaissance opportunity of an awakening of parents realizing that just

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Speaker 1: sending your kid on a yellow school bus because you

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Speaker 1: did is not going to end well. And so whether

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Speaker 1: it's homeschooling or pulling kids out into classical Christian schools

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Speaker 1: or other forms of more classical education, creates the opportunity

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Speaker 1: for a crop of young kids of the future who

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Speaker 1: are grounded in who they are, grounded in real history

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Speaker 1: of this country, civics, and prepare the comeback. So, I

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Speaker 1: because we're not going to win this politically, We're certainly

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Speaker 1: not going to win it militarily, and there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of reasons to be pessimistic. So it's I think, the

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Speaker 1: recognition of folks and then orienting their lives in a

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Speaker 1: different direction, rejecting this sort of worldly, inevitable cultural trajectory

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Speaker 1: and saying, I'm choosing something else for my kids and

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Speaker 1: my grandkids. And I don't know where that leads, but

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Speaker 1: I know I'm not going to just be led to

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Speaker 1: the slaughter like our institutions are doing right now.

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Speaker 3: And you didn't tell me this before. I guess I

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Speaker 3: didn't ask.

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Speaker 2: But since you kind of turn your nose up at

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Speaker 2: Ghostbusters a little bit with some of our well.

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Speaker 1: I know, I like the she version of Ghostbusters.

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Speaker 2: I say, Pete ain't afraid of no ghost apparently, So

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Speaker 2: what is the best movie for Pete hagg Set. I

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Speaker 2: made my wife watch Braveheart with me, which is my

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Speaker 2: favorite movie Pete just recently, and she fell asleep.

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Speaker 1: So that's what happens. You can't translate favorite movie to

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Speaker 1: anybody else.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's three hours long, to be fair, but

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Speaker 2: she passed out on my shoulder. And then I just

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Speaker 2: got to watch William Wallace, you know, do his thing,

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Speaker 2: love it.

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Speaker 1: I grew up on sports movies, so I I mean,

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Speaker 1: my dad got me hooked on the movie. The Natural

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Speaker 1: Hoosiers is one of my favorite movies of all time.

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Speaker 2: I'll just I'll narrow this down. What is the best

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Speaker 2: sports movie? Then, if we're just doing genre, the best

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Speaker 2: sports movie for Pete hagg seth Is Clay and I

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Speaker 2: have argued about this one. Actually no, I think we

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Speaker 2: agree on this one.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, Field the Dreams absolutely kills me. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean I just love it.

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Speaker 3: I think I felt during that one.

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Speaker 1: So really, I don't know. I'm maybe I'm a sap

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm a little bit of a sap.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's between The Natural Hoosiers and Field of

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Speaker 1: Dreams for me favorite movie. I'm such a sucker. I

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Speaker 1: don't have.

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Speaker 2: Any real Charlie Sheen is turning over in his Actually

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Speaker 2: know he's not true. He's still a lot some major

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Speaker 2: League is great. It's great, Thank you, major league, buddy.

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Speaker 1: Major League? Is that what you guys agreed on?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely said major League. I think he said

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Speaker 2: that's one of his favorites. The one that I always

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Speaker 2: think people like a little too much is Rudy because

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Speaker 2: he's great.

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Speaker 1: See you love Rudy too, I.

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Speaker 2: Sity or I say, you know, he was just okay,

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Speaker 2: he got on the field like once, Like who cares.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't really understand.

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Speaker 1: Because I'm a Rudy Okay, I got in once, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean people can relate. Not everybody's in the major leagues.

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Speaker 1: I mean Rudy did something. I don't know. I like.

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Speaker 1: I like all Shank Redemption. I'm just a totally I

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Speaker 1: like step brothers. I like terrible movies.

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Speaker 3: Love Shawshank.

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Speaker 2: You know that it is the most highly rated Rotten

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Speaker 2: Tomatoes movie of all time, meaning like the most audience

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Speaker 2: audience ratings. It is the number one favorite movie of

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Speaker 2: audiences on Rotten Tomatoes. Is Shawshank Redemption, Which when it's.

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Speaker 1: On cable and I'm surfing, it will catch me. I will.

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Speaker 1: I will watch if it's the right moment.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, Pete, can you just promise this You'll

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Speaker 2: save America and we'll let you go.

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Speaker 1: Well, likewise, brother, we're gonna keep fighting, no doubt, Pete.

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Speaker 2: Accept everybody look from on Fox while I'm on social Beete,

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Speaker 2: thanks so much, Thank you,