WEBVTT - Strikes, Walkouts, and Union Busting At Nestlé's Blue Bottle

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<v Speaker 1>Also media welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Take it Up at here A Podcast boldly asked the

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<v Speaker 2>question what if a whole bunch of your life wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>controlled by the bizarre whims of random dictators.

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<v Speaker 3>This is your host, Mia Wung And the last time.

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<v Speaker 2>We saw the Blue Bottle Union they had stage to

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<v Speaker 2>walk out treated eclipse. Now they are back again to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about union shit and Yeah with me is Alex Pine,

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<v Speaker 2>who's the president of Blue Bottle Union, and Abby Sadow,

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<v Speaker 2>the secretary treasurer.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, both of you two, welcome to the show. Hi,

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<v Speaker 4>thanks for having us both back on. Yes, thank you

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<v Speaker 4>so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm really really I'm really excited to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>this because the last one, I gotta say that was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the absolute funniest you these I've ever heard.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I still can't get over HOWDHS got called on

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<v Speaker 4>us when we tried to file for our election.

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<v Speaker 2>So what inge like, I feel like this is the

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<v Speaker 2>That's one of the things about doing the show is

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm like about to be five years into this, right,

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<v Speaker 2>It's like you think you've seen it all and then

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<v Speaker 2>just like no, just just the most unhinged bullshit you've

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<v Speaker 2>ever heard in your entire life. Because like, just like,

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<v Speaker 2>the capacity for cruelty and inventiveness of bosses is effectively infinite,

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<v Speaker 2>so they can always find some bullshit.

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<v Speaker 4>The pull that you've ever seen before, and they love

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<v Speaker 4>to do it too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>This is one of the reasons why we unionized to

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<v Speaker 4>begin with, is just because bosses can be petty tyrants. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and sometimes it seems like the only reason that they

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<v Speaker 4>got into being a boss is because they want to

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<v Speaker 4>be a petty tyrant but don't have the soul for

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<v Speaker 4>politics anyways.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we unionized last May. For anybody that's.

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<v Speaker 4>Unaware, Blue Bottle is a so called specialty coffee chain

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<v Speaker 4>that is owned entirely by Neslie. Yes, that one that

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<v Speaker 4>everyone regards as whyly being evil.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>See an extremely log episode that I did, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>about nice Lee chocolate and child labor is great. It's

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<v Speaker 2>child slave labor, good stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>We love capitalism, and their coffee business is truly no better.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean this is going to get wildly off topic

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<v Speaker 4>before we even begin, but if anybody looks up the

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<v Speaker 4>NGO Coffee Watch, they do a lot of great reporting

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<v Speaker 4>and research on the supply chains of coffee, specifically Nestli's

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<v Speaker 4>and Starbucks' and it's all very ugly stuff, but Blue Bottle.

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<v Speaker 4>Blue Bottles, especially the coffee chain owned by Nesli. We

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<v Speaker 4>unionized all six of their Greater Boston locations in May

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<v Speaker 4>of twenty twenty four, and this year we added four

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<v Speaker 4>locations in the East Bay area to our.

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<v Speaker 3>Union in July. Hell yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>We also just concluded a multi day strike as an

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<v Speaker 4>independent union at the end of November, so Black Friday.

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<v Speaker 3>Hell yeah, hell yeah, yeah yeah. So let's talk about

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<v Speaker 3>that strike. Well, actually, I guess, okay, we should.

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<v Speaker 2>We should probably do the run up to what has

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<v Speaker 2>been happening until we go after that strike. I'm getting it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm getting strike excited.

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<v Speaker 4>This is how I've been in my mind since September.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just how do we make ustrike happen?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Hell yeah yeah. Let's talk about like what the

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<v Speaker 3>sort of lead up stuff to the action world.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's talk about like, yeah, what expanding was, Like, yeah, Abby,

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<v Speaker 4>do you want to talk about the lead up?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah? So since we unionized last May, we've had multiple

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<v Speaker 5>staged walkouts. In September of last year, one of our

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<v Speaker 5>union wraps at the Harvard Square location well unjustly fired.

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<v Speaker 5>We did a walk out over her termination. We did

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<v Speaker 5>a walkout in January of this past year after Blue

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<v Speaker 5>Bottle completely refused to negotiate with us over the renovation

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<v Speaker 5>of the Prudential Center and a lot of employees we're

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<v Speaker 5>going to be losing out on almost eight dollars in

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<v Speaker 5>tips an hour is just hundreds of dollars a month.

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<v Speaker 5>And the company was like, oh, well, we bargained to

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<v Speaker 5>an impasse, so we're just gonna do whatever we want.

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<v Speaker 5>We were like, okay, well that's not that's not a

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<v Speaker 5>most works no. Yeah, And then in May of this year,

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<v Speaker 5>we did another walk out when they made the same

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<v Speaker 5>argument that we bargained towards impass when they tried to

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<v Speaker 5>install security cameras.

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<v Speaker 4>For anybody that's wondering, no, the cafes in Boston did

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<v Speaker 4>not have cameras in them for the entire time that

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<v Speaker 4>we were organizing or unionized until we began negotiating the

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<v Speaker 4>installation of cameras as part of our contract. When they

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<v Speaker 4>felt like they were done talking about cameras with us,

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<v Speaker 4>they declared impass, which they can't do because we were

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<v Speaker 4>negotiating it as part of the contract, so they would

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<v Speaker 4>have had to get to an impass on the entire

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<v Speaker 4>contract before doing it. Yeah, and their lawyer basically said, well,

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<v Speaker 4>we weren't getting anywhere with that, so we're going to

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<v Speaker 4>do it anyways.

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<v Speaker 3>God, labor law is so fun because it's like like

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<v Speaker 3>every boss breaks like one hundred million labor laws a second,

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<v Speaker 3>and then kind of nothing happens unless you force it to.

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<v Speaker 4>Speaking of breaking weird labor laws, since we unionized, one

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<v Speaker 4>nice thing that has happened was until May of this year,

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<v Speaker 4>they were negotiating over serious discipline, so final written warnings

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<v Speaker 4>or terminations with us.

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<v Speaker 3>In effect, what.

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<v Speaker 4>This means is that they would sit down with us

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<v Speaker 4>and just talk about why they felt like terminating someone

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<v Speaker 4>was justified until they said we're not going to do

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<v Speaker 4>anything else aside from fire them. But because of an

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<v Speaker 4>NLRB ruling with Starbucks at the end of April, their

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<v Speaker 4>lawyer said that they were done with that and they

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<v Speaker 4>felt that they had no legal obligation to continue doing it.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh fun, Yeah, which a break from past practice. And

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<v Speaker 4>we have been writing them committing to negotiating over serious

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<v Speaker 4>discipline with us. So less than a week after they

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<v Speaker 4>say we're not going to bargain over discipline with you anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>They fire one.

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<v Speaker 4>Coworker of ours, and our store immediately walked out over it.

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<v Speaker 4>Hell yeah, which yeah, I continue to be proud of

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<v Speaker 4>that walkout, specifically because it wasn't planned and because it

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<v Speaker 4>was over something that is pretty technical labor law wise.

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<v Speaker 4>Just the fact that they didn't negotiate over the termination

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<v Speaker 4>that find that rock. Yes, that's like a girl who's

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<v Speaker 4>read a bunch of weird labor history. This thing feels

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<v Speaker 4>like a thing for a fucking weird labor history.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing it reminds me of is that there was

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<v Speaker 2>this thing in I think it was sibber Gora in Spain.

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<v Speaker 2>She like the twenties and thirties where it was like

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<v Speaker 2>this hyperbilitant labor like union like labor town, but they

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<v Speaker 2>had a whole thing where they refused to strike over

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<v Speaker 2>like improving economic conditions because they were like this is

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<v Speaker 2>Burgeoise reformism, and they would only strike over political stuff. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you arrested like one person, like the whole

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<v Speaker 2>fucking city would go out.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like this a lot. Yeah, No, we could just

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<v Speaker 3>call it.

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<v Speaker 2>We could just fucking instantly get get a fucking walk

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<v Speaker 2>out to happen over just like over like them fucking

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<v Speaker 2>with like kind of technical labor stuff like this rocks.

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<v Speaker 3>We love to see it.

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<v Speaker 5>Like, yeah, I was on the floor that day that

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<v Speaker 5>our coworker was fired, and I remember I went on

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<v Speaker 5>my ten minute break after she was fired, and there's

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<v Speaker 5>like a pond behind our store and I was literally

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<v Speaker 5>throwing rocks in the pond and I was like, this

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<v Speaker 5>sucks so bad and I'm so angry. And then I

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<v Speaker 5>was like, wait, we're a unionized. I was like, wait

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<v Speaker 5>a minute, we have a union. And I go back

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<v Speaker 5>into the store and I was like, hey, guys, if

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<v Speaker 5>we don't walk out right now, then what is the point.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>And everyone was like yeah, actually, if we don't walk

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<v Speaker 5>out right now, what is the point?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Hell yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>And then we all walked out and it was it

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<v Speaker 5>was really beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, that's so sick. That's so beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know there's some kind of metaphor for like

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<v Speaker 2>you walking in being like the first rip the rock

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<v Speaker 2>hitting the pod in, the first ripples going out and

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, absolutely, that's I don't know, it's gorgeous. I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>That fucking rules.

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<v Speaker 5>Congratulations tell yeah, One of my favorite things to say

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<v Speaker 5>is that union is friendship, and friendship is unions, and

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<v Speaker 5>when your friend gets fired, you should be able to

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<v Speaker 5>walk out. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it fuck that, like seriously.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And on the whole, we've had a I think

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<v Speaker 4>pretty successful year, especially because I want to stress this,

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<v Speaker 4>we're independent. So for all the walkouts that we've done,

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<v Speaker 4>we've been able to replace the wages of baristas.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's really sick.

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<v Speaker 4>If anybody listening to this wants to help us be

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<v Speaker 4>able to do more walkouts, you can go yes TinyURL

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<v Speaker 4>dot com forward slash bbu dash strike will be in

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<v Speaker 4>the description.

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<v Speaker 3>Hell yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Because at this point the company is realized that they

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<v Speaker 4>can't break our solidarity in any meaningful way by resorting

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<v Speaker 4>to scare tactics or delaying, and so now they've just

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<v Speaker 4>resorted to straight up firing people because yeah, like it's

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<v Speaker 4>kind of like a break glass here in case of

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<v Speaker 4>emergency thing where.

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<v Speaker 3>They're like, we're all out of ideas. What do we do. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just start trying to fire everyone.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's what they've done.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Most recently, all the stores in both Boston and the

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<v Speaker 4>East Bay area went on a four day strike this

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<v Speaker 4>November because the company illegally fired Abbey, executive board member

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<v Speaker 4>named Nora and an organizer of ours in the East

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<v Speaker 4>Bay named Ashley for all incredibly petty reasons. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know if you want to speak more to why you

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<v Speaker 4>were fire Abby.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so on the record, I was fired because I

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<v Speaker 5>wore green pants. What I wore green pants like three

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<v Speaker 5>weeks prior to me being fired. And let me tell you,

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<v Speaker 5>there's nothing worse than waking up at four point thirty

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<v Speaker 5>to go to your opening shift at your stupid cafe job,

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<v Speaker 5>to then clock in and be immediately hit with separation

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<v Speaker 5>forms because you wore green pants three weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 4>What you must understand what a serious infraction it is

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<v Speaker 4>to wear green pants.

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<v Speaker 5>Of course, I mean clearly the green pants that I've

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<v Speaker 5>been wearing for the better part of two years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, firing Abby was generous.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually she should have been put to death for the

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<v Speaker 4>crime of wearing green pants.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course.

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<v Speaker 5>Most likely.

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<v Speaker 2>This is some like fucking medieval like, yeah, you pissed

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<v Speaker 2>off the monarch by like you wore a color of

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<v Speaker 2>pants that was like unfavorable to the eye of the king,

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<v Speaker 2>and now he's drawn quarter Like what is this bullshit.

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<v Speaker 5>Like, yep, I wore green pants in front of my manager,

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<v Speaker 5>therefore I should not be able to make my rent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's absolute gibberish that that might be the all

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<v Speaker 2>time dubbest fiery reason I've ever heard.

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<v Speaker 5>Like what, oh yeah, it's just so egregious because the

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<v Speaker 5>managers know that I have a great rapport with all

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<v Speaker 5>my coworkers. I'm fronts with all of my coworkers, and

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<v Speaker 5>they were like, hm, how can we, you know, make

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<v Speaker 5>one of our long standing employees who is good at

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<v Speaker 5>their job, you know, get fired? So green pants was

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<v Speaker 5>the reasoning.

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<v Speaker 2>Which and just like the idea of your employer being

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<v Speaker 2>able to control what color of pants you wear is

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<v Speaker 2>like is a thing that just on a fundamental level

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<v Speaker 2>would not be accepted with any other kind of authority.

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<v Speaker 2>That's everyone immediately recognizes, Wait, what the fuck? That's completely unhinged.

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<v Speaker 2>Why should someone have the ability to tell you like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to wear this color pants, or you can't

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<v Speaker 2>pay your rents and you can't eat Oh yeah no.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is kind of the despotism of management that

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<v Speaker 4>we were just talking about, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And this is the thing that in.

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<v Speaker 4>Bargaining sessions for a contract their site is very interested

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<v Speaker 4>in maintaining We've said multiple times that we want a

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<v Speaker 4>better dress code policy, or at the very least, we

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<v Speaker 4>don't want to wave our right to be able to

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<v Speaker 4>wear a union memorabilia on the floor.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 4>And because he doesn't have any better ideas, their lawyer

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<v Speaker 4>can only think to shoot that down by talking about

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<v Speaker 4>how he doesn't, you know, wear his sexuality on his

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<v Speaker 4>shirt or what.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, because he was like, why don't you want

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<v Speaker 4>to be able to wave your right to wear a

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<v Speaker 4>union memorabilia on the floor, and we said, we want

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<v Speaker 4>to be able to show pride that we are unionized,

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<v Speaker 4>and we want to be able to have more freedom

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<v Speaker 4>for expression. Uh huh, because it's despotic to be able

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<v Speaker 4>to have that level of control over.

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<v Speaker 3>What somebody does.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then he said, you know, well, I uh

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<v Speaker 4>don't wear my sexuality. I'm my shirt and then realized

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<v Speaker 4>that it was maybe inappropriate to say that, So then

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<v Speaker 4>he talked about how he doesn't wear his daughters on

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<v Speaker 4>his shirt.

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<v Speaker 3>Which it's a more convoluted point.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, because he's proud of his kids.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess what are we doing here. Just come on,

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<v Speaker 3>we gotta have better arguments than this, Like.

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<v Speaker 5>No, this guy is really full of bad arguments.

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<v Speaker 4>If you yeah, if you want to hear bad arguments,

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<v Speaker 4>you should sit on the bargaining session where their lawyer

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<v Speaker 4>goes on kind of incomprehensible tie rades about how the

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<v Speaker 4>free market in the aggregate will make sure that the

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<v Speaker 4>best person will get promoted over time, or that the

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<v Speaker 4>company will become more profitable or run with the most

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<v Speaker 4>efficiency as an enterprise, because anything else would be illogical

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<v Speaker 4>because they wouldn't produce more profit.

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<v Speaker 3>But what does that have to do with labor? Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>because actually this is okay. So when I know who's

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<v Speaker 3>a lawyer?

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<v Speaker 2>Once told me that, like the this is this is

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<v Speaker 2>not like a leftist, this is just like she's just

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<v Speaker 2>like a corporate lawyer. Once told me that this is

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<v Speaker 2>like the actual secret basis that doesn't exist of all

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<v Speaker 2>corporate laws, that there is actually nothing in the law

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<v Speaker 2>that says a company has to make more money or

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<v Speaker 2>they even have the right to make money. Like that's

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<v Speaker 2>that that doesn't exist, Like that's not that's not a thing,

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's no, you don't actually have a legal right

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<v Speaker 2>to make more money, like you simply don't. That's just

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<v Speaker 2>that's not how this works. The thing that reminds me

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<v Speaker 2>of is the other call is David Graeber wrote about

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<v Speaker 2>I think you might have been quoting someone else, but

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember who was quoting. But he writes about

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<v Speaker 2>how the relationship between sort of eloquence and violence where

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<v Speaker 2>the less you have and this isn't somewhere in the

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<v Speaker 2>utopia of rules. He writes about how you know people

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<v Speaker 2>who have access to violence to compel people to do something,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't even have to speak the same language as someone. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>you can just point a gun at them and you

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<v Speaker 2>know they have to obey you because you know they

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<v Speaker 2>have force, right, But the less ability you have to

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<v Speaker 2>actually use force to get someone to do something. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're a village chief in there's actually a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of condigenous tribes that were like this, but you know

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<v Speaker 2>you're you're in like sort of the northeast, and you

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<v Speaker 2>don't actually have the ability to compel people to do things.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you want people to go work in the morning,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to like get up and make a giant

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<v Speaker 2>show of like, oh, I'm getting up to work in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone follow me. Wow, look at how hard I working.

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<v Speaker 2>And you have to like convince them through oratory and

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<v Speaker 2>you know this, this is like why all these people

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<v Speaker 2>when when Europeans run into them, everyone is like, holy shit,

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<v Speaker 2>these are like the these are the best orders of

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<v Speaker 2>every encountered because they have to be right. But the

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<v Speaker 2>more power you have, the less eloquence you have to have,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think is like, you know, this is like

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<v Speaker 2>a Donald Trump thing, right, It's like, yeah, you've once

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<v Speaker 2>you've reached this point in the process, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>can just compel people do things through violence. You can

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<v Speaker 2>just like talk like a fourth grader and it's fine

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<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't matter because you just have violence. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's what this reminds me of a like, oh, we're

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<v Speaker 2>the company like we have like we're fucking owned by

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<v Speaker 2>nasty We have all this money. We don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>make compelling arguments. We just have to like have power.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean pretty much personally, it reads to me

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<v Speaker 4>it's like a way to delay actually talking about any

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<v Speaker 4>of our demands at the table, because if you just

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<v Speaker 4>eat up all the time, then there's no time to talk.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but that's also really beautiful to think about from

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<v Speaker 4>a more abstract sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, also, just companies love fucking with negotiations. It's awful.

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<v Speaker 2>I how okay, I should just start asking everyone who

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<v Speaker 2>does negotiations about this. But on average, how late are

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<v Speaker 2>manages to show up to meetings? I would say that

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<v Speaker 2>actually both sides are equally late well to the negotiations,

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<v Speaker 2>at least just because getting around the city is so difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, so that's it's like a transit thing, not

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<v Speaker 2>like a no.

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<v Speaker 4>No, we're not deliberately showing up ly as far as

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<v Speaker 4>I know, we just can't get Yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 3>There should they already just be there?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, Well, because this is something that's actually been

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<v Speaker 4>a delay tactic for them, is they insist that we

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<v Speaker 4>need to split the cost equally of a bargaining space.

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<v Speaker 3>What what?

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<v Speaker 4>And again we're independent, so they know that we can't

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<v Speaker 4>on a regular basis commit to that. So if you

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<v Speaker 4>want to donate to our unions that way, we can

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<v Speaker 4>hate to sit down in front of these people.

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<v Speaker 3>That's completely on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, having to have the union pave I've never heard

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<v Speaker 2>of that before.

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<v Speaker 3>That's completely deranged, that's what.

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<v Speaker 4>And we we've even waived our right to meet in

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<v Speaker 4>a neutral space.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 4>So we've asked if they would be willing to meet

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<v Speaker 4>in the office of their legal representation or if they'd

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<v Speaker 4>be willing to meet in the office of our legal representation,

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<v Speaker 4>and they've said no to both because supposedly, despite being

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<v Speaker 4>the second largest union avoidance firm in the world, they've

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<v Speaker 4>said that their office doesn't have adequate space to hold us.

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<v Speaker 4>But then space in the city is so fucking expensive

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<v Speaker 4>that there's no feasible way to rent a space for

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<v Speaker 4>eight hours for two days.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, once a month.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, which which is meant that we've ended up in

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<v Speaker 4>some strange places, so college conference rooms, city hall. H

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<v Speaker 4>we work what yeah, really know.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the most deeply unseerious company I have ever encountered.

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<v Speaker 4>Like there's all kinds of things like that that they've

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<v Speaker 4>employed in the past year to attempt us making significant

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<v Speaker 4>progress with negotiating. And it wasn't until November this year

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<v Speaker 4>that they finally gave us a counter on economics after

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<v Speaker 4>we told them we would file a bad faith bargaining

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<v Speaker 4>charge if they didn't. Hell, yeah, do you want to

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<v Speaker 4>guess what they're counter So for reference, our union's requesting

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<v Speaker 4>thirty dollars an hour for brestas because that's a living

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<v Speaker 4>wage according to the MIT Living Wage calculator. Do you

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<v Speaker 4>want to get what Bluebottle said they would.

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<v Speaker 3>Give us eighteen? No?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, actually, strangely yes, they said, right now we make

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<v Speaker 4>eighteen an hour, but they said they'll keep it the

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<v Speaker 4>same and they want to retain the rate to change

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<v Speaker 4>it whenever they want. They're they're making a floor. They're

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<v Speaker 4>they're committing to a floor that I then tried to

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<v Speaker 4>ask if they've ever in their history decreased wages. H

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<v Speaker 4>huh and they're like no, I don't see why we

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<v Speaker 4>would ever do that, and like, oh, so then this

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<v Speaker 4>floor is bullshit.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, their baseline for negotiations is our starting position is nothing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and this is a year after negotiating with them

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<v Speaker 4>so far.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like a year and it's like okay, like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>at that that point. It's like, yeah, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>like fucking are our starting position is we should have

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<v Speaker 2>your house? Like this is like this is like equally

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<v Speaker 2>like come on, like you having their house is a

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<v Speaker 2>more reasonable demand than our basic negotiating position.

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<v Speaker 3>Is nothing, like what are we doing here?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>No, idea just God, yeah, I mean it.

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<v Speaker 2>Insert obligatory line here about how after you've went in

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<v Speaker 2>an election, the most common way for unied to fail

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<v Speaker 2>is bargaining the first contract. And companies know this, they

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<v Speaker 2>will just do bullshit for several years to attempt to

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<v Speaker 2>not have you get a contract.

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<v Speaker 3>It sucks. Yeah, yeah, fuck them.

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<v Speaker 5>It's their whole strategy. I mean, the whole like union

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<v Speaker 5>avoidance of it all is they're just trying to like

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<v Speaker 5>wait us out and then fire people who are involved

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<v Speaker 5>and just like in their words like let turnover do

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<v Speaker 5>its natural work. But it's like, isn't this specialty coffee?

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<v Speaker 5>Don't you want people who are good at their jobs.

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<v Speaker 5>I've watched some of my new coworkers pull a shot

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<v Speaker 5>that I wouldn't feed to a dog, like.

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<v Speaker 3>The same.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely, why Look, you can't expect managers to know

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<v Speaker 2>how to do things that's not their job.

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<v Speaker 5>My manager, let me tell you. I used to have

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<v Speaker 5>to open with her like three times a week, and

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<v Speaker 5>she has this very beautiful habit of as she's dialing

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<v Speaker 5>espresso and also she does this while she's counting cash.

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<v Speaker 5>She will have her phone open on TikTok and then

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<v Speaker 5>scroll through. I have this one horrific memory. It was

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<v Speaker 5>six am and she was going through an entire TikTok

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<v Speaker 5>storytime series for forty five minutes. And the whole story

0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:19.040
<v Speaker 5>time was going on, and every time it was an

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<v Speaker 5>introduction of like, I don't even remember what it was about.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it was like She's like, oh, this is

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<v Speaker 5>my story of being like a mob boss's wife. And

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<v Speaker 5>I had to listen to that for forty five minutes while.

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<v Speaker 2>Opening Oh, yeah, I think you should you should legally

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<v Speaker 2>be allowed to have her card. I think I should.

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<v Speaker 3>Have her house probably, yeah too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's like our starting our starting demand is every

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<v Speaker 2>time you pissed offs off, we get another one of

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<v Speaker 2>your houses.

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<v Speaker 5>Look for every TikTok watched on the clock, that's a

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<v Speaker 5>dollar towards me per hour.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what are we doing here? They're owned Binesli.

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<v Speaker 4>But I don't think that there's enough money in the

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<v Speaker 4>world that would be able to give you that, Abby.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I don't think I'll ever receive fair compensation.

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<v Speaker 4>You didn't really piss off the modern monetary theory people,

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<v Speaker 4>because they'd.

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<v Speaker 3>Be like, no, even we can't account.

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<v Speaker 5>For this, No one can account for the emotional damage.

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<v Speaker 3>We ran out of data in our Federal Reserve data

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<v Speaker 3>god to recap.

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<v Speaker 4>So in the past year, we've done multiple walkouts, unionized

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<v Speaker 4>four locations in the East Bay area, and then after

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<v Speaker 4>Abbey was fired for bullshit reasons, along with two other organizers,

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<v Speaker 4>we went on a four day strike which included both cities.

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<v Speaker 4>And we've done this entirely as an independent union against

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<v Speaker 4>a company that is owned by Nesle. Yeah, and interestingly,

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<v Speaker 4>just because I'd be remiss to not mention this, the

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<v Speaker 4>day that we ended our strike, there was an article

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<v Speaker 4>published in Writers which was the most vibe based reporting

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<v Speaker 4>that I've ever seen, where it said Nesley explores sale

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<v Speaker 4>of Blue Bottle coffee sources say, where there's three unnamed sources.

0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:02.720
<v Speaker 4>Incredible that all say that Neslie is considering or looking

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<v Speaker 4>into selling Blue Bottle coffee. But interestingly says here quote

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<v Speaker 4>once or said Neslie could decide to sell the cafes,

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<v Speaker 4>but retain the brand's intellectual property to continue selling the

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<v Speaker 4>products end.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote what are we doing here?

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<v Speaker 4>Like yeah, yeah, I mean it's interesting as a tell

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<v Speaker 4>because personally, I think it's just a scare tactic. Yeah yeah,

0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:26.480
<v Speaker 4>Like I could consider walking into traffic. I could be

0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:28.520
<v Speaker 4>looking into my options for how fast a car would

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<v Speaker 4>hit me, but that doesn't mean anything.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't considering appropriating the mansions, like we're an exploratory committee.

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<v Speaker 2>Sources say, yeah, I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Think they'd publish that in writers, But uh, it's interesting

0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:49.240
<v Speaker 4>that they would even say that, because like the entire

0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:51.560
<v Speaker 4>value that Blue Bottle offers Neslie is to be able

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<v Speaker 4>to put the brand onto you know, espressopods or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>And also just very weird timing with the strike ending

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<v Speaker 4>the same day comes out.

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<v Speaker 5>They are so scared, they are scared shitless and they

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<v Speaker 5>don't know what to do about it, and they're breaking

0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:13.640
<v Speaker 5>last left and right trying to maintain power. But it's,

0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:16.000
<v Speaker 5>like Alex said earlier, like the solidarity that we have

0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:19.800
<v Speaker 5>between our coworkers, it just cannot be broken by management.

0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:22.720
<v Speaker 5>And even after they fired me and two of our

0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:25.760
<v Speaker 5>other organizers, people still went out on the picket line.

0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:27.160
<v Speaker 3>We kept telling.

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<v Speaker 5>Five out of the six cafes closed in Boston, and

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<v Speaker 5>the only reason one of them could stay open is

0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:34.800
<v Speaker 5>because all of the managers banded together to keep the

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<v Speaker 5>Credential Center open.

0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:39.480
<v Speaker 3>I would hate to go.

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<v Speaker 5>Say I don't think a single latte went out correctly

0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:46.080
<v Speaker 5>that day, but hey, you know, at least at least

0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:48.880
<v Speaker 5>they can still collect their nine dollars per latte.

0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:54.840
<v Speaker 3>So if you got food poisoning the strike.

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<v Speaker 5>Getting coffee, if you had a bad experience stirring the

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<v Speaker 5>strike at the Podential Center, just know that that was

0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:06.439
<v Speaker 5>not union made coffee, and we would never do that

0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:06.720
<v Speaker 5>to you.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's really beautiful that, yeah, y'all have just

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:22.679
<v Speaker 2>kept fucking doing this, even though they're just doing this

0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:25.440
<v Speaker 2>bullshit constantly, and it's like, no, we're just going to

0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:27.879
<v Speaker 2>keep fighting them, and they're going to get so scared

0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:30.359
<v Speaker 2>that they're leaking to the press that we're thinking about

0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:31.640
<v Speaker 2>selling the things.

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<v Speaker 3>We're a lot further along than I thought we would

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<v Speaker 3>ever get.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought they were going to fire us the day

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<v Speaker 4>after we did the first walk out last year, which

0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:44.080
<v Speaker 4>is you know, I thought all the more reason to

0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:47.679
<v Speaker 4>try then. Yeah, but really, it's not tough for people

0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:50.119
<v Speaker 4>that we work with to realize that they're getting a

0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:54.680
<v Speaker 4>bad deal and that the reason that the job sucks

0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:57.080
<v Speaker 4>is because they don't get paid enough to live in

0:24:57.080 --> 0:25:00.800
<v Speaker 4>the city. Like I think most baristas at Blue Bottle

0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:04.040
<v Speaker 4>see something like sixty percent of their income going towards

0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:07.639
<v Speaker 4>rent because jesus, Yeah, we did a survey on this.

0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:10.080
<v Speaker 4>Let me double check to make sure that I have

0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:15.359
<v Speaker 4>the facts right. But yeah, this this is from you know, March,

0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:17.520
<v Speaker 4>so it's a little bit old data. We'll do another

0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:20.600
<v Speaker 4>survey soon. But most Blue Bottle Briste was a rent burden,

0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:22.760
<v Speaker 4>spending more than thirty percent of their income on rent,

0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:26.640
<v Speaker 4>the median rent paid by Blue Bottle employees being one thousand,

0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:29.440
<v Speaker 4>forty five dollars, which is the equivalent of one hundred

0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:32.000
<v Speaker 4>and fifty Nora Lean style iced coffees. That it's one

0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:34.280
<v Speaker 4>of the best selling drinks they have. Yeah, no, I know,

0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:37.359
<v Speaker 4>for one hundred and fifty Nola. So you two can

0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:41.440
<v Speaker 4>pay the median rent by paid by Barista and then

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:44.480
<v Speaker 4>on average it's sorry forty six percent of their income

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:47.119
<v Speaker 4>going towards rent, with roughly a third of Briste is

0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:48.399
<v Speaker 4>paying over sixty percent.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:53.680
<v Speaker 4>We told all these facts to their lawyer at a

0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:57.199
<v Speaker 4>bargaining session and he just said that maybe the reason

0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:00.240
<v Speaker 4>that we were all struggling to make ends me was

0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:02.240
<v Speaker 4>because we were paying for too many streaming services.

0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:04.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know, Like it's entirely.

0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:07.560
<v Speaker 2>He knows this bush did they just get like a

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<v Speaker 2>right wing ship poster.

0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:11.439
<v Speaker 3>To their lawyer? Like, is this just like? Is this

0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:13.760
<v Speaker 3>like fucking like? Is this is like the fail sun

0:26:13.880 --> 0:26:16.880
<v Speaker 3>clone of Rudy Giuliani? Like this's gonna start melting off?

0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:24.639
<v Speaker 3>What are we doing here? Come on? I wish I

0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:25.199
<v Speaker 3>could tell you.

0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:28.480
<v Speaker 4>I don't know what their strategy with saying obviously false

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:30.720
<v Speaker 4>things is, but they love to do it.

0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:32.000
<v Speaker 3>It's so great, you know.

0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:35.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, fuck it, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna read

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:36.880
<v Speaker 2>this quote. I was gonna use this for a diffid

0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:40.159
<v Speaker 2>episode and I didn't, so all right, fuck it, this

0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:42.480
<v Speaker 2>is I'm I'm gonna read this line from Dan Olson's

0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:44.919
<v Speaker 2>documentary In Search of Flat Earth, which is like probably

0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:47.720
<v Speaker 2>the best thing that's ever been done about flat Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they believe that power belongs to those with the

0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:54.080
<v Speaker 2>greatest will to take it, And what greater sign of

0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:57.640
<v Speaker 2>will than the ability to overwrite the truth. Their will

0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:00.280
<v Speaker 2>is a hammer they are using to beat reality into

0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:03.200
<v Speaker 2>a shape of their choosing a simple world where reality

0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 2>is exactly what it looks like through their eyes, devoid

0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:09.119
<v Speaker 2>of complexity, devoid of change, where they are right, and

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:11.879
<v Speaker 2>their enemies are silent. They are trying to build a

0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:12.639
<v Speaker 2>flat earth.

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:17.199
<v Speaker 3>That's just this shit. They're just like, no, fuck you,

0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:20.720
<v Speaker 3>we can say whatever the fuck we want because we

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:21.720
<v Speaker 3>take the week, because.

0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:24.159
<v Speaker 2>This is an expression of just power, even though we

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:27.919
<v Speaker 2>know that we're lying and you know that you're lying.

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<v Speaker 4>Is I mean, if you want to talk about expression

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:32.720
<v Speaker 4>of power, you should read their management's rights clause. Sorry,

0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:36.719
<v Speaker 4>they're so called management's rights clause. Oh god, let me

0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:40.199
<v Speaker 4>see if I can pull that up. So just to clarify, so,

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 4>management's rates is a clause that can be found in

0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:49.800
<v Speaker 4>some union contracts because of collaborationists within unions in the

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:52.600
<v Speaker 4>fifties deciding that they actually didn't want to go for

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:54.600
<v Speaker 4>complete work or control of the means of production. They

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:56.479
<v Speaker 4>just wanted to collaborate with management in order to get

0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:58.399
<v Speaker 4>a better deal for wages. I'm not going to comment

0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:01.040
<v Speaker 4>on the history of that, but that and that's why

0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:03.600
<v Speaker 4>they feel like they can include this in negotiations. Right now,

0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 4>we haven't agreed to any management rates, but quote, it

0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:08.879
<v Speaker 4>is agreed that the management of the company's business and

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:11.800
<v Speaker 4>the direction of its working forces are vested exclusively in

0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 4>the company and that the company retains all rights that

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:16.639
<v Speaker 4>had before the execution of this agreement unless a rate

0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 4>is clearly contracted away in this agreement by language that

0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:22.119
<v Speaker 4>is specific and unambiguous. These retained company rates include, but

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 4>are not limited to, the following examples. The right to

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 4>direct and supervise the work of its employees. The right

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:30.200
<v Speaker 4>to hire, promote, demote, transfer, and to discipline or discharge employees.

0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 4>The right to create or eliminate jobs, and to determine

0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:35.240
<v Speaker 4>wage rates for newly created or materially modify jobs. The

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 4>right to determine training requirements and provide training to employees.

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 4>The right to uniform and hire standards. The right to plan, direct,

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 4>and control operations. The right to determine products to be sold,

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 4>services and products to be procured, used, and or distributed.

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:50.440
<v Speaker 4>The right to determine the type and quantity of machines, equipment,

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:53.480
<v Speaker 4>location of cafes. The right to determine the amount and

0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:55.960
<v Speaker 4>quality of work needed. The right to determine schedules of

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 4>cafe operations. The right to determine the number of employees needed,

0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 4>the right to determine the work schedule of employees. The

0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:04.040
<v Speaker 4>right to lay off employees or relieve employees from work

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 4>because of lack of work. The right to discontinue or

0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 4>introduce new or improved methods, operating practices and cafes. The

0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 4>right to change the content of jobs and the qualification

0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:15.000
<v Speaker 4>for such jobs. And the right to establish, modify, and

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 4>enforce work rules of conduct or policies, and discipline employees

0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:22.960
<v Speaker 4>who violate such rules or policies. The right to establish, modify,

0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 4>Oh Jesus Christ, and force.

0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:29.719
<v Speaker 5>And I forgot how bad it is.

0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:34.280
<v Speaker 4>Wow, Because basically what they're saying is we want to

0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:36.120
<v Speaker 4>be able to control everything that you do, and this

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:38.800
<v Speaker 4>is our They never say where they believe this right

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.280
<v Speaker 4>comes from. They on make like an argument from naturalism,

0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 4>where like we are vested by the universal power of

0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 4>management to be able to do this. They don't make

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 4>any historical argument for it where oh this is you know,

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:53.120
<v Speaker 4>because of the contracts that have been negotiated since the fifties,

0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 4>something that's fairly standard. And we think that we have

0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:58.400
<v Speaker 4>the right too because of like long standing president. They

0:29:58.480 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 4>just think that they should be able to control fucking everything. Yeah,

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:06.360
<v Speaker 4>which is not unsurprising for Nesley. Yeah, yeah, Well, and

0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 4>I think there's.

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:09.720
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of very very abstract theoretical debate you

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:13.640
<v Speaker 2>run into if you're like, instead of doing shit, you're

0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:17.120
<v Speaker 2>like in theory circles about like oh, is like is

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:19.280
<v Speaker 2>capital its own autonomous entity or is it like a

0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:22.640
<v Speaker 2>thing that's like costantly in like relation to like the

0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:26.160
<v Speaker 2>actions and workers And it's like, okay, read something like

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 2>this and it's like, oh no, they are so worried

0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:33.040
<v Speaker 2>that they're going to have to react to what their

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:35.640
<v Speaker 2>workers are doing that they and they are already doing

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 2>this right like this is you know you mean, this

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:39.600
<v Speaker 2>is this goes back to the whole like we're leaking

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 2>to the media, we're going to sell the company thing

0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 2>that they're doing where it's like no, actually, like these

0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:50.280
<v Speaker 2>people are so not like easily, but if if you

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:53.720
<v Speaker 2>are organized at all, it becomes so clear to them

0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 2>that they actually, oh no, wait, hold on, they're responding

0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:59.640
<v Speaker 2>to us like they're not just purely the only thing

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:01.960
<v Speaker 2>they guess so like drive history forward and decide literally

0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 2>everything about your life the moment you like try to

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 2>claw it away from them.

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 3>They see how fragile.

0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:08.720
<v Speaker 2>It is and they're like no, no, no, no, actually, we

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:10.400
<v Speaker 2>got to spell out the fact that we get to

0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:12.720
<v Speaker 2>fucking dress you and whatever clothes we want you to wear.

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:14.760
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, Okay, this is like a thing that

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:18.080
<v Speaker 2>only exists if you do not resist them at all, but.

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 3>Like, no, if you fucking fight them.

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:22.240
<v Speaker 2>They have to fucking write all this shit down that

0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:26.360
<v Speaker 2>they think they've always been able to do, and it's ridiculous.

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:29.800
<v Speaker 5>And to hear it all in a bullet form, like

0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:32.400
<v Speaker 5>in literally just a bullet list, like every single aspect

0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 5>of my life and everything that I've ever loved or

0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:36.960
<v Speaker 5>thought was important to me in a list of what

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 5>they think they can control. It's just crazy. And then

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:42.880
<v Speaker 5>we have to go back and say, Okay, well do

0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 5>you see how off base you are? Yeah, And then

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 5>they make us sound like the crazy ones for wanting

0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:50.560
<v Speaker 5>to live a good life and be able to, like

0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 5>you know, make ends meet.

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:55.440
<v Speaker 3>Pay less than sixty eight percent ever, and come towards rent.

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:59.240
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Yeah, take a vacation maybe.

0:31:59.560 --> 0:31:59.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:02.800
<v Speaker 4>One other thing that I think is a great point

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:06.959
<v Speaker 4>about how it's actually capital responding to the organization of

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 4>Barista's people workers whatever is. They haven't done it recently,

0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:14.320
<v Speaker 4>but last summer they sent a very long winded and

0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 4>angry email about all the bargaining updates and pressed that

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 4>the union was getting.

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 5>They're so mad at me that I'm good at my job.

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:29.560
<v Speaker 4>And then this past summer, after we did two walkouts

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:32.280
<v Speaker 4>in fairly quick succession and response to two different things,

0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:35.360
<v Speaker 4>they attempted to accuse us of an intermittent striking just

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:37.080
<v Speaker 4>because they were so scared they didn't know what else

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 4>to do, to try and be like, you didn't own me,

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:41.280
<v Speaker 4>I'm not mad, please some pot in the news that

0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 4>I met. Their lawyer even said in a bargaining session

0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 4>later on that he had a less than seventy five

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 4>percent chance of ever winning that argument at the board.

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:55.240
<v Speaker 4>But they were just so mad that we walked out

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 4>twice in May that they tried to claim that it

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:02.080
<v Speaker 4>was unprotected but that they're being benevolent by not disciplining

0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:02.800
<v Speaker 4>anyone for it.

0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:05.640
<v Speaker 3>God, And they.

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:11.120
<v Speaker 4>Haven't really given much of a response to our multi

0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:16.320
<v Speaker 4>day strike yet, aside from their lawyer emailing us earlier

0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:20.080
<v Speaker 4>this week to ask us for our entire legal justification

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 4>for why the terminations of Abbey, Nora, and Ashley were

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:26.640
<v Speaker 4>illegal and what legal justification we have to say that

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 4>they're negotiating a contract in bad faith, which is like

0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 4>the NLRA.

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:38.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, Like what are we doing here? God? Yeah?

0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 3>So what's comed up next for y'all? What's the next stage?

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<v Speaker 4>If you or anybody that you know either works at

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<v Speaker 4>a Blue Bottle or wants to apply to a Blue

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<v Speaker 4>Bottle to help organize it, please reach out to us

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<v Speaker 4>by email at Blue Bottle Union at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 4>If you want to support our independent unionism and help

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<v Speaker 4>us remain independent and be able to go on multiple

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<v Speaker 4>day strikes which clearly piss off our nestlie overlords, you

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<v Speaker 4>can donate to us at TinyURL dot com forward slash

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<v Speaker 4>bbu dash strike unless we're until we have a contract

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<v Speaker 4>or they reinstate, Abby, Nora, Ashley and fingers crossed, hopefully

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<v Speaker 4>not myself. We're calling on a boycott of all Blue

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<v Speaker 4>Bottle coffee products. Helly, I have no idea what the

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<v Speaker 4>overlap between it could happen here listeners and customer.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd be surprised, But I'm sure there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>about there.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, judging by the shit I have heard from our listeners,

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<v Speaker 2>I love you all. Some of you are on some

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<v Speaker 2>wild shit. If some of you are not the people

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<v Speaker 2>you would expect to be so.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So don't buy Blue Bottle.

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<v Speaker 4>If some of the things that we've said about the

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<v Speaker 4>bargaining sessions sounds too absurd to be true to you,

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<v Speaker 4>then you can go to Bluebottle union dot org and

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<v Speaker 4>under the tab for Buristas you can read every bargaining update,

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<v Speaker 4>where we publish all of the proposals that the company

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<v Speaker 4>has given us so far. You can read the shit

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<v Speaker 4>that they make us read in the bargaining sessions. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>so that's what's next in like the next month or so.

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<v Speaker 4>There's other things that we're working on that we can't

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<v Speaker 4>talk about yet.

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<v Speaker 3>Hell yeah, hell yeah. Love this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying so hard not to just read half the

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<v Speaker 2>end or speech. Authority is the massive tyrany is brittle.

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<v Speaker 5>If there ever were a time to read it, there's

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<v Speaker 5>no time like the present is.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what, fuck it, We're just we're doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>We're doing it. The imperial need for control is so

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<v Speaker 3>desperate because it is so unnatural. Terity requires constant effort.

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<v Speaker 3>It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the

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<v Speaker 3>mask of fear. Remember that and know this. The day

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<v Speaker 3>will come when all these skirmishes in battles.

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<v Speaker 2>These moments of defiance will have flooded the banks of

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<v Speaker 2>the empire's authority, and then there will be one too many,

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<v Speaker 2>one single thing will break the siege. Remember this, try,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's my message to you all. You can fight

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<v Speaker 2>your own bosses too, and you can beat them, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can watch them running around in terror like fucking

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<v Speaker 2>chickens with their head cut off, and you can get

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<v Speaker 2>shit from them that they never would have wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>give you in the first place.

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