1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Also media welcome. 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 2: Take it Up at here A Podcast boldly asked the 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 2: question what if a whole bunch of your life wasn't 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 2: controlled by the bizarre whims of random dictators. 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 3: This is your host, Mia Wung And the last time. 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: We saw the Blue Bottle Union they had stage to 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: walk out treated eclipse. Now they are back again to 8 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: talk about union shit and Yeah with me is Alex Pine, 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: who's the president of Blue Bottle Union, and Abby Sadow, 10 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 2: the secretary treasurer. 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, both of you two, welcome to the show. Hi, 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 4: thanks for having us both back on. Yes, thank you 13 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 4: so much. 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really really I'm really excited to talk about 15 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 2: this because the last one, I gotta say that was 16 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 2: one of the absolute funniest you these I've ever heard. 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I still can't get over HOWDHS got called on 18 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 4: us when we tried to file for our election. 19 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: So what inge like, I feel like this is the 20 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: That's one of the things about doing the show is 21 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: like I'm like about to be five years into this, right, 22 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: It's like you think you've seen it all and then 23 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: just like no, just just the most unhinged bullshit you've 24 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 2: ever heard in your entire life. Because like, just like, 25 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 2: the capacity for cruelty and inventiveness of bosses is effectively infinite, 26 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 2: so they can always find some bullshit. 27 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 4: The pull that you've ever seen before, and they love 28 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 4: to do it too. 29 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 30 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 4: This is one of the reasons why we unionized to 31 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 4: begin with, is just because bosses can be petty tyrants. Yeah, 32 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 4: and sometimes it seems like the only reason that they 33 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 4: got into being a boss is because they want to 34 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 4: be a petty tyrant but don't have the soul for 35 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 4: politics anyways. 36 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, we unionized last May. For anybody that's. 37 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 4: Unaware, Blue Bottle is a so called specialty coffee chain 38 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 4: that is owned entirely by Neslie. Yes, that one that 39 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 4: everyone regards as whyly being evil. 40 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 41 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: See an extremely log episode that I did, for example, 42 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: about nice Lee chocolate and child labor is great. It's 43 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: child slave labor, good stuff. 44 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 5: We love capitalism, and their coffee business is truly no better. 45 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 46 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 4: I mean this is going to get wildly off topic 47 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 4: before we even begin, but if anybody looks up the 48 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 4: NGO Coffee Watch, they do a lot of great reporting 49 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 4: and research on the supply chains of coffee, specifically Nestli's 50 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 4: and Starbucks' and it's all very ugly stuff, but Blue Bottle. 51 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 4: Blue Bottles, especially the coffee chain owned by Nesli. We 52 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 4: unionized all six of their Greater Boston locations in May 53 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 4: of twenty twenty four, and this year we added four 54 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 4: locations in the East Bay area to our. 55 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: Union in July. Hell yeah yeah. 56 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 4: We also just concluded a multi day strike as an 57 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 4: independent union at the end of November, so Black Friday. 58 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 3: Hell yeah, hell yeah, yeah yeah. So let's talk about 59 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 3: that strike. Well, actually, I guess, okay, we should. 60 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 2: We should probably do the run up to what has 61 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: been happening until we go after that strike. I'm getting it. 62 00:02:58,520 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 3: I'm getting strike excited. 63 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 4: This is how I've been in my mind since September. 64 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 4: It's just how do we make ustrike happen? 65 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? Hell yeah yeah. Let's talk about like what the 66 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 3: sort of lead up stuff to the action world. 67 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 4: Let's talk about like, yeah, what expanding was, Like, yeah, Abby, 68 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 4: do you want to talk about the lead up? 69 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 5: Yeah? So since we unionized last May, we've had multiple 70 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 5: staged walkouts. In September of last year, one of our 71 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 5: union wraps at the Harvard Square location well unjustly fired. 72 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 5: We did a walk out over her termination. We did 73 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 5: a walkout in January of this past year after Blue 74 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 5: Bottle completely refused to negotiate with us over the renovation 75 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 5: of the Prudential Center and a lot of employees we're 76 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 5: going to be losing out on almost eight dollars in 77 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 5: tips an hour is just hundreds of dollars a month. 78 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 5: And the company was like, oh, well, we bargained to 79 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 5: an impasse, so we're just gonna do whatever we want. 80 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 5: We were like, okay, well that's not that's not a 81 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 5: most works no. Yeah, And then in May of this year, 82 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 5: we did another walk out when they made the same 83 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 5: argument that we bargained towards impass when they tried to 84 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 5: install security cameras. 85 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 4: For anybody that's wondering, no, the cafes in Boston did 86 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 4: not have cameras in them for the entire time that 87 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 4: we were organizing or unionized until we began negotiating the 88 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 4: installation of cameras as part of our contract. When they 89 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 4: felt like they were done talking about cameras with us, 90 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 4: they declared impass, which they can't do because we were 91 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 4: negotiating it as part of the contract, so they would 92 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 4: have had to get to an impass on the entire 93 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 4: contract before doing it. Yeah, and their lawyer basically said, well, 94 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 4: we weren't getting anywhere with that, so we're going to 95 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 4: do it anyways. 96 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 3: God, labor law is so fun because it's like like 97 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 3: every boss breaks like one hundred million labor laws a second, 98 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: and then kind of nothing happens unless you force it to. 99 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 4: Speaking of breaking weird labor laws, since we unionized, one 100 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 4: nice thing that has happened was until May of this year, 101 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,679 Speaker 4: they were negotiating over serious discipline, so final written warnings 102 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 4: or terminations with us. 103 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 3: In effect, what. 104 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 4: This means is that they would sit down with us 105 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 4: and just talk about why they felt like terminating someone 106 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 4: was justified until they said we're not going to do 107 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 4: anything else aside from fire them. But because of an 108 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 4: NLRB ruling with Starbucks at the end of April, their 109 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 4: lawyer said that they were done with that and they 110 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 4: felt that they had no legal obligation to continue doing it. 111 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 4: Oh fun, Yeah, which a break from past practice. And 112 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 4: we have been writing them committing to negotiating over serious 113 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 4: discipline with us. So less than a week after they 114 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 4: say we're not going to bargain over discipline with you anymore. 115 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 3: They fire one. 116 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 4: Coworker of ours, and our store immediately walked out over it. 117 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 4: Hell yeah, which yeah, I continue to be proud of 118 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 4: that walkout, specifically because it wasn't planned and because it 119 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 4: was over something that is pretty technical labor law wise. 120 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 4: Just the fact that they didn't negotiate over the termination 121 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 4: that find that rock. Yes, that's like a girl who's 122 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,679 Speaker 4: read a bunch of weird labor history. This thing feels 123 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 4: like a thing for a fucking weird labor history. 124 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: The thing it reminds me of is that there was 125 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: this thing in I think it was sibber Gora in Spain. 126 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: She like the twenties and thirties where it was like 127 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: this hyperbilitant labor like union like labor town, but they 128 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 2: had a whole thing where they refused to strike over 129 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 2: like improving economic conditions because they were like this is 130 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: Burgeoise reformism, and they would only strike over political stuff. Yeah, 131 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: but if you arrested like one person, like the whole 132 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: fucking city would go out. 133 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 3: It's like this a lot. Yeah, No, we could just 134 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 3: call it. 135 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: We could just fucking instantly get get a fucking walk 136 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: out to happen over just like over like them fucking 137 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 2: with like kind of technical labor stuff like this rocks. 138 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 3: We love to see it. 139 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 5: Like, yeah, I was on the floor that day that 140 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 5: our coworker was fired, and I remember I went on 141 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 5: my ten minute break after she was fired, and there's 142 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,679 Speaker 5: like a pond behind our store and I was literally 143 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 5: throwing rocks in the pond and I was like, this 144 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 5: sucks so bad and I'm so angry. And then I 145 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 5: was like, wait, we're a unionized. I was like, wait 146 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 5: a minute, we have a union. And I go back 147 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 5: into the store and I was like, hey, guys, if 148 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 5: we don't walk out right now, then what is the point. 149 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 3: Yeah? 150 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 5: And everyone was like yeah, actually, if we don't walk 151 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 5: out right now, what is the point? 152 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 3: Yeah? Hell yeah. 153 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 5: And then we all walked out and it was it 154 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 5: was really beautiful. 155 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 3: Actually, that's so sick. That's so beautiful. 156 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: I don't know there's some kind of metaphor for like 157 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 2: you walking in being like the first rip the rock 158 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: hitting the pod in, the first ripples going out and 159 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: the whole thing. 160 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, that's I don't know, it's gorgeous. I love it. 161 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: That fucking rules. 162 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 5: Congratulations tell yeah, One of my favorite things to say 163 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 5: is that union is friendship, and friendship is unions, and 164 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 5: when your friend gets fired, you should be able to 165 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 5: walk out. Yeah. 166 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it fuck that, like seriously. 167 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, And on the whole, we've had a I think 168 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 4: pretty successful year, especially because I want to stress this, 169 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 4: we're independent. So for all the walkouts that we've done, 170 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 4: we've been able to replace the wages of baristas. 171 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 3: Oh that's really sick. 172 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 4: If anybody listening to this wants to help us be 173 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 4: able to do more walkouts, you can go yes TinyURL 174 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 4: dot com forward slash bbu dash strike will be in 175 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 4: the description. 176 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: Hell yeah. 177 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 4: Because at this point the company is realized that they 178 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 4: can't break our solidarity in any meaningful way by resorting 179 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 4: to scare tactics or delaying, and so now they've just 180 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 4: resorted to straight up firing people because yeah, like it's 181 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 4: kind of like a break glass here in case of 182 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 4: emergency thing where. 183 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 3: They're like, we're all out of ideas. What do we do. Yeah, 184 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 3: it's just start trying to fire everyone. 185 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 5: And that's what they've done. 186 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 3: Yeah. 187 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 4: Most recently, all the stores in both Boston and the 188 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 4: East Bay area went on a four day strike this 189 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 4: November because the company illegally fired Abbey, executive board member 190 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 4: named Nora and an organizer of ours in the East 191 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 4: Bay named Ashley for all incredibly petty reasons. I don't 192 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 4: know if you want to speak more to why you 193 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 4: were fire Abby. 194 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, so on the record, I was fired because I 195 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 5: wore green pants. What I wore green pants like three 196 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 5: weeks prior to me being fired. And let me tell you, 197 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 5: there's nothing worse than waking up at four point thirty 198 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 5: to go to your opening shift at your stupid cafe job, 199 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 5: to then clock in and be immediately hit with separation 200 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 5: forms because you wore green pants three weeks ago. 201 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 4: What you must understand what a serious infraction it is 202 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 4: to wear green pants. 203 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 5: Of course, I mean clearly the green pants that I've 204 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 5: been wearing for the better part of two years. 205 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, firing Abby was generous. 206 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 4: Actually she should have been put to death for the 207 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 4: crime of wearing green pants. 208 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 3: Of course. 209 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 5: Most likely. 210 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: This is some like fucking medieval like, yeah, you pissed 211 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: off the monarch by like you wore a color of 212 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 2: pants that was like unfavorable to the eye of the king, 213 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 2: and now he's drawn quarter Like what is this bullshit. 214 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 5: Like, yep, I wore green pants in front of my manager, 215 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 5: therefore I should not be able to make my rent. 216 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's absolute gibberish that that might be the all 217 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 2: time dubbest fiery reason I've ever heard. 218 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 5: Like what, oh yeah, it's just so egregious because the 219 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 5: managers know that I have a great rapport with all 220 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 5: my coworkers. I'm fronts with all of my coworkers, and 221 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 5: they were like, hm, how can we, you know, make 222 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 5: one of our long standing employees who is good at 223 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 5: their job, you know, get fired? So green pants was 224 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 5: the reasoning. 225 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: Which and just like the idea of your employer being 226 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 2: able to control what color of pants you wear is 227 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 2: like is a thing that just on a fundamental level 228 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 2: would not be accepted with any other kind of authority. 229 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: That's everyone immediately recognizes, Wait, what the fuck? That's completely unhinged. 230 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 2: Why should someone have the ability to tell you like, no, 231 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: you have to wear this color pants, or you can't 232 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 2: pay your rents and you can't eat Oh yeah no. 233 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 4: And this is kind of the despotism of management that 234 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 4: we were just talking about, isn't it. 235 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, And this is the thing that in. 236 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 4: Bargaining sessions for a contract their site is very interested 237 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 4: in maintaining We've said multiple times that we want a 238 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 4: better dress code policy, or at the very least, we 239 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 4: don't want to wave our right to be able to 240 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 4: wear a union memorabilia on the floor. 241 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 3: Uh huh. 242 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 4: And because he doesn't have any better ideas, their lawyer 243 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 4: can only think to shoot that down by talking about 244 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 4: how he doesn't, you know, wear his sexuality on his 245 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 4: shirt or what. 246 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 247 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, because he was like, why don't you want 248 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 4: to be able to wave your right to wear a 249 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 4: union memorabilia on the floor, and we said, we want 250 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 4: to be able to show pride that we are unionized, 251 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 4: and we want to be able to have more freedom 252 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 4: for expression. Uh huh, because it's despotic to be able 253 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 4: to have that level of control over. 254 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: What somebody does. 255 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then he said, you know, well, I uh 256 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 4: don't wear my sexuality. I'm my shirt and then realized 257 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 4: that it was maybe inappropriate to say that, So then 258 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 4: he talked about how he doesn't wear his daughters on 259 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 4: his shirt. 260 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 3: Which it's a more convoluted point. 261 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, because he's proud of his kids. 262 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 3: I guess what are we doing here. Just come on, 263 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 3: we gotta have better arguments than this, Like. 264 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 5: No, this guy is really full of bad arguments. 265 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 4: If you yeah, if you want to hear bad arguments, 266 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 4: you should sit on the bargaining session where their lawyer 267 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 4: goes on kind of incomprehensible tie rades about how the 268 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 4: free market in the aggregate will make sure that the 269 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 4: best person will get promoted over time, or that the 270 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 4: company will become more profitable or run with the most 271 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 4: efficiency as an enterprise, because anything else would be illogical 272 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 4: because they wouldn't produce more profit. 273 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 3: But what does that have to do with labor? Yes, 274 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 3: because actually this is okay. So when I know who's 275 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 3: a lawyer? 276 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 2: Once told me that, like the this is this is 277 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 2: not like a leftist, this is just like she's just 278 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 2: like a corporate lawyer. Once told me that this is 279 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 2: like the actual secret basis that doesn't exist of all 280 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: corporate laws, that there is actually nothing in the law 281 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 2: that says a company has to make more money or 282 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 2: they even have the right to make money. Like that's 283 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: that that doesn't exist, Like that's not that's not a thing, 284 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 2: Like there's no, you don't actually have a legal right 285 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 2: to make more money, like you simply don't. That's just 286 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 2: that's not how this works. The thing that reminds me 287 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: of is the other call is David Graeber wrote about 288 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 2: I think you might have been quoting someone else, but 289 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 2: I can't remember who was quoting. But he writes about 290 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 2: how the relationship between sort of eloquence and violence where 291 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: the less you have and this isn't somewhere in the 292 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 2: utopia of rules. He writes about how you know people 293 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 2: who have access to violence to compel people to do something, 294 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: you don't even have to speak the same language as someone. Right, 295 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: you can just point a gun at them and you 296 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 2: know they have to obey you because you know they 297 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 2: have force, right, But the less ability you have to 298 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 2: actually use force to get someone to do something. Right, So, 299 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 2: if you're a village chief in there's actually a lot 300 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 2: of condigenous tribes that were like this, but you know 301 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: you're you're in like sort of the northeast, and you 302 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: don't actually have the ability to compel people to do things. 303 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: So if you want people to go work in the morning, 304 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: you have to like get up and make a giant 305 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: show of like, oh, I'm getting up to work in 306 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: the morning. 307 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 3: Everyone follow me. Wow, look at how hard I working. 308 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 2: And you have to like convince them through oratory and 309 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: you know this, this is like why all these people 310 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 2: when when Europeans run into them, everyone is like, holy shit, 311 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 2: these are like the these are the best orders of 312 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: every encountered because they have to be right. But the 313 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 2: more power you have, the less eloquence you have to have, 314 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: which I think is like, you know, this is like 315 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: a Donald Trump thing, right, It's like, yeah, you've once 316 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 2: you've reached this point in the process, you know, you 317 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: can just compel people do things through violence. You can 318 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: just like talk like a fourth grader and it's fine 319 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 2: and it doesn't matter because you just have violence. And 320 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: that's what this reminds me of a like, oh, we're 321 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 2: the company like we have like we're fucking owned by 322 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 2: nasty We have all this money. We don't have to 323 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: make compelling arguments. We just have to like have power. 324 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean pretty much personally, it reads to me 325 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 4: it's like a way to delay actually talking about any 326 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 4: of our demands at the table, because if you just 327 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 4: eat up all the time, then there's no time to talk. 328 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 329 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's also really beautiful to think about from 330 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 4: a more abstract sense. 331 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, also, just companies love fucking with negotiations. It's awful. 332 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: I how okay, I should just start asking everyone who 333 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: does negotiations about this. But on average, how late are 334 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: manages to show up to meetings? I would say that 335 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: actually both sides are equally late well to the negotiations, 336 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: at least just because getting around the city is so difficult. 337 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: Oh oh, so that's it's like a transit thing, not 338 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 2: like a no. 339 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 4: No, we're not deliberately showing up ly as far as 340 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 4: I know, we just can't get Yeah, but. 341 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 3: There should they already just be there? 342 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Well, because this is something that's actually been 343 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 4: a delay tactic for them, is they insist that we 344 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 4: need to split the cost equally of a bargaining space. 345 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 3: What what? 346 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 4: And again we're independent, so they know that we can't 347 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 4: on a regular basis commit to that. So if you 348 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 4: want to donate to our unions that way, we can 349 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 4: hate to sit down in front of these people. 350 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 3: That's completely on it. 351 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, having to have the union pave I've never heard 352 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 2: of that before. 353 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 3: That's completely deranged, that's what. 354 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 4: And we we've even waived our right to meet in 355 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 4: a neutral space. 356 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 3: Uh huh. 357 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 4: So we've asked if they would be willing to meet 358 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 4: in the office of their legal representation or if they'd 359 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 4: be willing to meet in the office of our legal representation, 360 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 4: and they've said no to both because supposedly, despite being 361 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 4: the second largest union avoidance firm in the world, they've 362 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 4: said that their office doesn't have adequate space to hold us. 363 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 4: But then space in the city is so fucking expensive 364 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 4: that there's no feasible way to rent a space for 365 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 4: eight hours for two days. 366 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 3: You know, once a month. 367 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, which which is meant that we've ended up in 368 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 4: some strange places, so college conference rooms, city hall. H 369 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 4: we work what yeah, really know. 370 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 2: This is the most deeply unseerious company I have ever encountered. 371 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 4: Like there's all kinds of things like that that they've 372 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 4: employed in the past year to attempt us making significant 373 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 4: progress with negotiating. And it wasn't until November this year 374 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 4: that they finally gave us a counter on economics after 375 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 4: we told them we would file a bad faith bargaining 376 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 4: charge if they didn't. Hell, yeah, do you want to 377 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 4: guess what they're counter So for reference, our union's requesting 378 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 4: thirty dollars an hour for brestas because that's a living 379 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 4: wage according to the MIT Living Wage calculator. Do you 380 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 4: want to get what Bluebottle said they would. 381 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 3: Give us eighteen? No? 382 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 4: Well, actually, strangely yes, they said, right now we make 383 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 4: eighteen an hour, but they said they'll keep it the 384 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 4: same and they want to retain the rate to change 385 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 4: it whenever they want. They're they're making a floor. They're 386 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 4: they're committing to a floor that I then tried to 387 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 4: ask if they've ever in their history decreased wages. H 388 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 4: huh and they're like no, I don't see why we 389 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 4: would ever do that, and like, oh, so then this 390 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 4: floor is bullshit. 391 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 2: Actually, their baseline for negotiations is our starting position is nothing. 392 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is a year after negotiating with them 393 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 4: so far. 394 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, like a year and it's like okay, like I'm 395 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 2: at that that point. It's like, yeah, I don't know, 396 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 2: like fucking are our starting position is we should have 397 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: your house? Like this is like this is like equally 398 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 2: like come on, like you having their house is a 399 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 2: more reasonable demand than our basic negotiating position. 400 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 3: Is nothing, like what are we doing here? 401 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 5: Oh? 402 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 3: No, idea just God, yeah, I mean it. 403 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 2: Insert obligatory line here about how after you've went in 404 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: an election, the most common way for unied to fail 405 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: is bargaining the first contract. And companies know this, they 406 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 2: will just do bullshit for several years to attempt to 407 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 2: not have you get a contract. 408 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 3: It sucks. Yeah, yeah, fuck them. 409 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 5: It's their whole strategy. I mean, the whole like union 410 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,479 Speaker 5: avoidance of it all is they're just trying to like 411 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 5: wait us out and then fire people who are involved 412 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 5: and just like in their words like let turnover do 413 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 5: its natural work. But it's like, isn't this specialty coffee? 414 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 5: Don't you want people who are good at their jobs. 415 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 5: I've watched some of my new coworkers pull a shot 416 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 5: that I wouldn't feed to a dog, like. 417 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 3: The same. 418 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, why Look, you can't expect managers to know 419 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 2: how to do things that's not their job. 420 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 5: My manager, let me tell you. I used to have 421 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 5: to open with her like three times a week, and 422 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 5: she has this very beautiful habit of as she's dialing 423 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 5: espresso and also she does this while she's counting cash. 424 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 5: She will have her phone open on TikTok and then 425 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 5: scroll through. I have this one horrific memory. It was 426 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 5: six am and she was going through an entire TikTok 427 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 5: storytime series for forty five minutes. And the whole story 428 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 5: time was going on, and every time it was an 429 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 5: introduction of like, I don't even remember what it was about. 430 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 5: I think it was like She's like, oh, this is 431 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 5: my story of being like a mob boss's wife. And 432 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 5: I had to listen to that for forty five minutes while. 433 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 2: Opening Oh, yeah, I think you should you should legally 434 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: be allowed to have her card. I think I should. 435 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 3: Have her house probably, yeah too. 436 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 2: Yes, it's like our starting our starting demand is every 437 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: time you pissed offs off, we get another one of 438 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 2: your houses. 439 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 5: Look for every TikTok watched on the clock, that's a 440 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 5: dollar towards me per hour. 441 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, what are we doing here? They're owned Binesli. 442 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 4: But I don't think that there's enough money in the 443 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 4: world that would be able to give you that, Abby. 444 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. 445 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 5: No, I don't think I'll ever receive fair compensation. 446 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 4: You didn't really piss off the modern monetary theory people, 447 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 4: because they'd. 448 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 3: Be like, no, even we can't account. 449 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 5: For this, No one can account for the emotional damage. 450 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 3: We ran out of data in our Federal Reserve data 451 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 3: god to recap. 452 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 4: So in the past year, we've done multiple walkouts, unionized 453 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 4: four locations in the East Bay area, and then after 454 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 4: Abbey was fired for bullshit reasons, along with two other organizers, 455 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 4: we went on a four day strike which included both cities. 456 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 4: And we've done this entirely as an independent union against 457 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 4: a company that is owned by Nesle. Yeah, and interestingly, 458 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 4: just because I'd be remiss to not mention this, the 459 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 4: day that we ended our strike, there was an article 460 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 4: published in Writers which was the most vibe based reporting 461 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 4: that I've ever seen, where it said Nesley explores sale 462 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 4: of Blue Bottle coffee sources say, where there's three unnamed sources. 463 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 4: Incredible that all say that Neslie is considering or looking 464 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 4: into selling Blue Bottle coffee. But interestingly says here quote 465 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 4: once or said Neslie could decide to sell the cafes, 466 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 4: but retain the brand's intellectual property to continue selling the 467 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 4: products end. 468 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 3: Quote what are we doing here? 469 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 4: Like yeah, yeah, I mean it's interesting as a tell 470 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 4: because personally, I think it's just a scare tactic. Yeah yeah, 471 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 4: Like I could consider walking into traffic. I could be 472 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 4: looking into my options for how fast a car would 473 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 4: hit me, but that doesn't mean anything. 474 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 2: You didn't considering appropriating the mansions, like we're an exploratory committee. 475 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 2: Sources say, yeah, I don't. 476 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 4: Think they'd publish that in writers, But uh, it's interesting 477 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 4: that they would even say that, because like the entire 478 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 4: value that Blue Bottle offers Neslie is to be able 479 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 4: to put the brand onto you know, espressopods or whatever. 480 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 4: And also just very weird timing with the strike ending 481 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 4: the same day comes out. 482 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 5: They are so scared, they are scared shitless and they 483 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 5: don't know what to do about it, and they're breaking 484 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 5: last left and right trying to maintain power. But it's, 485 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 5: like Alex said earlier, like the solidarity that we have 486 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 5: between our coworkers, it just cannot be broken by management. 487 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 5: And even after they fired me and two of our 488 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 5: other organizers, people still went out on the picket line. 489 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 3: We kept telling. 490 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 5: Five out of the six cafes closed in Boston, and 491 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 5: the only reason one of them could stay open is 492 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 5: because all of the managers banded together to keep the 493 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 5: Credential Center open. 494 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 3: I would hate to go. 495 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 5: Say I don't think a single latte went out correctly 496 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 5: that day, but hey, you know, at least at least 497 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 5: they can still collect their nine dollars per latte. 498 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 3: So if you got food poisoning the strike. 499 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 5: Getting coffee, if you had a bad experience stirring the 500 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 5: strike at the Podential Center, just know that that was 501 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 5: not union made coffee, and we would never do that 502 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 5: to you. 503 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 2: I think it's really beautiful that, yeah, y'all have just 504 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 2: kept fucking doing this, even though they're just doing this 505 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 2: bullshit constantly, and it's like, no, we're just going to 506 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 2: keep fighting them, and they're going to get so scared 507 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 2: that they're leaking to the press that we're thinking about 508 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 2: selling the things. 509 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 3: We're a lot further along than I thought we would 510 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 3: ever get. 511 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 4: I thought they were going to fire us the day 512 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 4: after we did the first walk out last year, which 513 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 4: is you know, I thought all the more reason to 514 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 4: try then. Yeah, but really, it's not tough for people 515 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 4: that we work with to realize that they're getting a 516 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 4: bad deal and that the reason that the job sucks 517 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 4: is because they don't get paid enough to live in 518 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 4: the city. Like I think most baristas at Blue Bottle 519 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 4: see something like sixty percent of their income going towards 520 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 4: rent because jesus, Yeah, we did a survey on this. 521 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 4: Let me double check to make sure that I have 522 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 4: the facts right. But yeah, this this is from you know, March, 523 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 4: so it's a little bit old data. We'll do another 524 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 4: survey soon. But most Blue Bottle Briste was a rent burden, 525 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 4: spending more than thirty percent of their income on rent, 526 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 4: the median rent paid by Blue Bottle employees being one thousand, 527 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 4: forty five dollars, which is the equivalent of one hundred 528 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 4: and fifty Nora Lean style iced coffees. That it's one 529 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 4: of the best selling drinks they have. Yeah, no, I know, 530 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 4: for one hundred and fifty Nola. So you two can 531 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 4: pay the median rent by paid by Barista and then 532 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 4: on average it's sorry forty six percent of their income 533 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 4: going towards rent, with roughly a third of Briste is 534 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 4: paying over sixty percent. 535 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 536 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 4: We told all these facts to their lawyer at a 537 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 4: bargaining session and he just said that maybe the reason 538 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 4: that we were all struggling to make ends me was 539 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 4: because we were paying for too many streaming services. 540 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, Like it's entirely. 541 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: He knows this bush did they just get like a 542 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 2: right wing ship poster. 543 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 3: To their lawyer? Like, is this just like? Is this 544 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 3: like fucking like? Is this is like the fail sun 545 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 3: clone of Rudy Giuliani? Like this's gonna start melting off? 546 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 3: What are we doing here? Come on? I wish I 547 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 3: could tell you. 548 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 4: I don't know what their strategy with saying obviously false 549 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 4: things is, but they love to do it. 550 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 3: It's so great, you know. 551 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 2: Okay, fuck it, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna read 552 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 2: this quote. I was gonna use this for a diffid 553 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 2: episode and I didn't, so all right, fuck it, this 554 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 2: is I'm I'm gonna read this line from Dan Olson's 555 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 2: documentary In Search of Flat Earth, which is like probably 556 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 2: the best thing that's ever been done about flat Earth. 557 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: Because they believe that power belongs to those with the 558 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 2: greatest will to take it, And what greater sign of 559 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 2: will than the ability to overwrite the truth. Their will 560 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 2: is a hammer they are using to beat reality into 561 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 2: a shape of their choosing a simple world where reality 562 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 2: is exactly what it looks like through their eyes, devoid 563 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 2: of complexity, devoid of change, where they are right, and 564 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 2: their enemies are silent. They are trying to build a 565 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 2: flat earth. 566 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 3: That's just this shit. They're just like, no, fuck you, 567 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 3: we can say whatever the fuck we want because we 568 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 3: take the week, because. 569 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 2: This is an expression of just power, even though we 570 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 2: know that we're lying and you know that you're lying. 571 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 4: Is I mean, if you want to talk about expression 572 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 4: of power, you should read their management's rights clause. Sorry, 573 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,719 Speaker 4: they're so called management's rights clause. Oh god, let me 574 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 4: see if I can pull that up. So just to clarify, so, 575 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 4: management's rates is a clause that can be found in 576 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 4: some union contracts because of collaborationists within unions in the 577 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 4: fifties deciding that they actually didn't want to go for 578 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 4: complete work or control of the means of production. They 579 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,479 Speaker 4: just wanted to collaborate with management in order to get 580 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 4: a better deal for wages. I'm not going to comment 581 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 4: on the history of that, but that and that's why 582 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 4: they feel like they can include this in negotiations. Right now, 583 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 4: we haven't agreed to any management rates, but quote, it 584 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 4: is agreed that the management of the company's business and 585 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 4: the direction of its working forces are vested exclusively in 586 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 4: the company and that the company retains all rights that 587 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 4: had before the execution of this agreement unless a rate 588 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 4: is clearly contracted away in this agreement by language that 589 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 4: is specific and unambiguous. These retained company rates include, but 590 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 4: are not limited to, the following examples. The right to 591 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 4: direct and supervise the work of its employees. The right 592 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 4: to hire, promote, demote, transfer, and to discipline or discharge employees. 593 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 4: The right to create or eliminate jobs, and to determine 594 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 4: wage rates for newly created or materially modify jobs. The 595 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 4: right to determine training requirements and provide training to employees. 596 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 4: The right to uniform and hire standards. The right to plan, direct, 597 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 4: and control operations. The right to determine products to be sold, 598 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 4: services and products to be procured, used, and or distributed. 599 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 4: The right to determine the type and quantity of machines, equipment, 600 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 4: location of cafes. The right to determine the amount and 601 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 4: quality of work needed. The right to determine schedules of 602 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 4: cafe operations. The right to determine the number of employees needed, 603 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 4: the right to determine the work schedule of employees. The 604 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 4: right to lay off employees or relieve employees from work 605 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 4: because of lack of work. The right to discontinue or 606 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 4: introduce new or improved methods, operating practices and cafes. The 607 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 4: right to change the content of jobs and the qualification 608 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 4: for such jobs. And the right to establish, modify, and 609 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 4: enforce work rules of conduct or policies, and discipline employees 610 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 4: who violate such rules or policies. The right to establish, modify, 611 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 4: Oh Jesus Christ, and force. 612 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,719 Speaker 5: And I forgot how bad it is. 613 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 4: Wow, Because basically what they're saying is we want to 614 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 4: be able to control everything that you do, and this 615 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 4: is our They never say where they believe this right 616 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 4: comes from. They on make like an argument from naturalism, 617 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 4: where like we are vested by the universal power of 618 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 4: management to be able to do this. They don't make 619 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 4: any historical argument for it where oh this is you know, 620 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 4: because of the contracts that have been negotiated since the fifties, 621 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 4: something that's fairly standard. And we think that we have 622 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 4: the right too because of like long standing president. They 623 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 4: just think that they should be able to control fucking everything. Yeah, 624 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 4: which is not unsurprising for Nesley. Yeah, yeah, Well, and 625 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 4: I think there's. 626 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 2: There's a lot of very very abstract theoretical debate you 627 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 2: run into if you're like, instead of doing shit, you're 628 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 2: like in theory circles about like oh, is like is 629 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 2: capital its own autonomous entity or is it like a 630 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 2: thing that's like costantly in like relation to like the 631 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 2: actions and workers And it's like, okay, read something like 632 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 2: this and it's like, oh no, they are so worried 633 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 2: that they're going to have to react to what their 634 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 2: workers are doing that they and they are already doing 635 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 2: this right like this is you know you mean, this 636 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 2: is this goes back to the whole like we're leaking 637 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 2: to the media, we're going to sell the company thing 638 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 2: that they're doing where it's like no, actually, like these 639 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 2: people are so not like easily, but if if you 640 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 2: are organized at all, it becomes so clear to them 641 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 2: that they actually, oh no, wait, hold on, they're responding 642 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 2: to us like they're not just purely the only thing 643 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 2: they guess so like drive history forward and decide literally 644 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 2: everything about your life the moment you like try to 645 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 2: claw it away from them. 646 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 3: They see how fragile. 647 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 2: It is and they're like no, no, no, no, actually, we 648 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 2: got to spell out the fact that we get to 649 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 2: fucking dress you and whatever clothes we want you to wear. 650 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 2: And it's like, Okay, this is like a thing that 651 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 2: only exists if you do not resist them at all, but. 652 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 3: Like, no, if you fucking fight them. 653 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 2: They have to fucking write all this shit down that 654 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 2: they think they've always been able to do, and it's ridiculous. 655 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 5: And to hear it all in a bullet form, like 656 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 5: in literally just a bullet list, like every single aspect 657 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 5: of my life and everything that I've ever loved or 658 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 5: thought was important to me in a list of what 659 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 5: they think they can control. It's just crazy. And then 660 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 5: we have to go back and say, Okay, well do 661 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 5: you see how off base you are? Yeah, And then 662 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 5: they make us sound like the crazy ones for wanting 663 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 5: to live a good life and be able to, like 664 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 5: you know, make ends meet. 665 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 3: Pay less than sixty eight percent ever, and come towards rent. 666 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, take a vacation maybe. 667 00:31:59,560 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 668 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 4: One other thing that I think is a great point 669 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,959 Speaker 4: about how it's actually capital responding to the organization of 670 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 4: Barista's people workers whatever is. They haven't done it recently, 671 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 4: but last summer they sent a very long winded and 672 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 4: angry email about all the bargaining updates and pressed that 673 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 4: the union was getting. 674 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 5: They're so mad at me that I'm good at my job. 675 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 4: And then this past summer, after we did two walkouts 676 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 4: in fairly quick succession and response to two different things, 677 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 4: they attempted to accuse us of an intermittent striking just 678 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 4: because they were so scared they didn't know what else 679 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 4: to do, to try and be like, you didn't own me, 680 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 4: I'm not mad, please some pot in the news that 681 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 4: I met. Their lawyer even said in a bargaining session 682 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 4: later on that he had a less than seventy five 683 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 4: percent chance of ever winning that argument at the board. 684 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 685 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 4: But they were just so mad that we walked out 686 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 4: twice in May that they tried to claim that it 687 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 4: was unprotected but that they're being benevolent by not disciplining 688 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 4: anyone for it. 689 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 3: God, And they. 690 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 4: Haven't really given much of a response to our multi 691 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 4: day strike yet, aside from their lawyer emailing us earlier 692 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 4: this week to ask us for our entire legal justification 693 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 4: for why the terminations of Abbey, Nora, and Ashley were 694 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 4: illegal and what legal justification we have to say that 695 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 4: they're negotiating a contract in bad faith, which is like 696 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 4: the NLRA. 697 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Like what are we doing here? God? Yeah? 698 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 3: So what's comed up next for y'all? What's the next stage? 699 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 4: If you or anybody that you know either works at 700 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 4: a Blue Bottle or wants to apply to a Blue 701 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 4: Bottle to help organize it, please reach out to us 702 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 4: by email at Blue Bottle Union at gmail dot com. 703 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 4: If you want to support our independent unionism and help 704 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 4: us remain independent and be able to go on multiple 705 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 4: day strikes which clearly piss off our nestlie overlords, you 706 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 4: can donate to us at TinyURL dot com forward slash 707 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 4: bbu dash strike unless we're until we have a contract 708 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 4: or they reinstate, Abby, Nora, Ashley and fingers crossed, hopefully 709 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 4: not myself. We're calling on a boycott of all Blue 710 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 4: Bottle coffee products. Helly, I have no idea what the 711 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 4: overlap between it could happen here listeners and customer. 712 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 2: You'd be surprised, But I'm sure there's a lot of 713 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 2: about there. 714 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 3: I don't know. 715 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 2: Look, judging by the shit I have heard from our listeners, 716 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 2: I love you all. Some of you are on some 717 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 2: wild shit. If some of you are not the people 718 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 2: you would expect to be so. 719 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, So don't buy Blue Bottle. 720 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 4: If some of the things that we've said about the 721 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 4: bargaining sessions sounds too absurd to be true to you, 722 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 4: then you can go to Bluebottle union dot org and 723 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 4: under the tab for Buristas you can read every bargaining update, 724 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 4: where we publish all of the proposals that the company 725 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 4: has given us so far. You can read the shit 726 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 4: that they make us read in the bargaining sessions. Yeah, 727 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 4: so that's what's next in like the next month or so. 728 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 4: There's other things that we're working on that we can't 729 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 4: talk about yet. 730 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 3: Hell yeah, hell yeah. Love this. 731 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 2: I'm trying so hard not to just read half the 732 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 2: end or speech. Authority is the massive tyrany is brittle. 733 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 5: If there ever were a time to read it, there's 734 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 5: no time like the present is. 735 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 3: You know what, fuck it, We're just we're doing it. 736 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 3: We're doing it. The imperial need for control is so 737 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 3: desperate because it is so unnatural. Terity requires constant effort. 738 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 3: It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the 739 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 3: mask of fear. Remember that and know this. The day 740 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 3: will come when all these skirmishes in battles. 741 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 2: These moments of defiance will have flooded the banks of 742 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 2: the empire's authority, and then there will be one too many, 743 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 2: one single thing will break the siege. Remember this, try, 744 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 2: and that's my message to you all. You can fight 745 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 2: your own bosses too, and you can beat them, and 746 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 2: you can watch them running around in terror like fucking 747 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 2: chickens with their head cut off, and you can get 748 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 2: shit from them that they never would have wanted to 749 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 2: give you in the first place. 750 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: It could Happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media. 751 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 752 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 1: Coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 753 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you. 754 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 3: Listen to podcasts. 755 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: You can now find sources for it could Happen here 756 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: listed directly in episode descriptions. 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