1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs two Ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: writtled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now, Hello, 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt and 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm Ben, and that makes this stuff they don't want 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: you to know. So right off the top, we uh, 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: we see that you guys have been enjoying our series 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: on the Bible and apocrypha and things of that nature, 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: and we got some feedback from some of you. So 10 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: right off the top here we're gonna we're going to 11 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: address some of the things that you wrote to us. Absolutely. 12 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: First things first, we owe a big thank you to 13 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: John F and Nate S. Both of these guys separately 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: wrote into uh give us a correction, and we welcome 15 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: those where John says, hey, guys, just saw band Books 16 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: of the Bible episode. Looks like you generally did a 17 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: great job with your fact checking. There's one piece I 18 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: thought would read more or confusion than education. About one 19 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: minute and you mentioned that some books only exist in 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: one version of the Bible. While you're saying this, you're 21 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: showing the title page of the Book of Mormon and 22 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: captioning first Book of me five Book of Mormon. This 23 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: confusion would be that the Book of Mormon never claims 24 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: to be a version of the Bible or a missing 25 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: book of the Bible. It's an entirely separate book of 26 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: scripture that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day 27 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: Saints asserts as harmonious with the Bible. So he goes 28 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: on to say, the Book of Mormon does mention the 29 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: existence of plates of brass, a version of the scriptures 30 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: that existed at about six hundred BC, and they evidently 31 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: contained the five books of Moses, Azaiah, and some of Jeremiah, 32 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: along with some other lost writings, writings of Xenoc, writings 33 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: of Zenos. But again, the Book of Mormon itself is 34 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: not really a missing Biblical book. And Nate wrote in 35 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: to say very much the same thing, that the Book 36 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: Mormon is a totally separate book, and we appreciate that 37 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: very much. We also want to move on and reassure 38 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: our buddy Sandy Rogers out there on Twitter. Sandy, you 39 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: wrote to us, you're an Old Testament scholar, and uh, 40 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: you wrote to us with something that was an editing 41 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: error on my part. There's a part in there where 42 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: we talk about uh, the first five books of the Bible, 43 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: and the date there is listed as twelve fifty BC 44 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: as those books becoming accepted as law. That is incorrect, 45 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: and that editing error came from one of the things 46 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: that I was doing at the time. Guys. I started 47 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: out with a script that would probably be about ten 48 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: ten pages long, and because there's so much to talk 49 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: about with this, and so as shaving the script down 50 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: further and further and further, especially the complex process or evolution, right, 51 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: which is weird, but it's the best term for evolution 52 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: of the Bible. That I had messed up some of 53 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: the dates when I was cutting things down and swishing 54 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: them back together. You can find reference to UH this date, 55 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: specifically the twelve fifty BC date in a excellent Straight 56 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: Dope article on the authorship of the Bible. It's a 57 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: it's a five part article. I think is in part 58 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: one because logically it's at the beginning with all that 59 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: out of the weight and thank you to Sandy, Nate 60 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: and John again, Uh, we still had a pretty kick 61 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: ass episode, oh I think so. And a lot of 62 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: that was doing part two, our working with all time 63 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: conspiracies again one of our favorite YouTube channels. Really appreciate it. Guys, 64 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: if you're listening, and hopefully if you're listening to this, 65 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: maybe you like that channel too. They're tremendously exciting. I 66 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: I watched their videos on the edge of my seat. Yeah, 67 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: if you like our show, you'll like There's There's as well. 68 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: And one other thing I want to just mention here, Ben, 69 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 1: and I want to get your opinion on it. I 70 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: noticed that there were a lot of utube YouTube comments 71 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: saying that they disliked our use of B C E 72 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: as in before common era and ce common era rather 73 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: than B C and a d um. And that is 74 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: the at least from a handbook standpoint of writing handbook standpoint, 75 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: that is the correct way to write that, is it not? 76 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:26,799 Speaker 1: It's a It's a stylistic choice one that I honestly 77 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: I couldn't care either way about, because you know, we 78 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: we get the language, and these conventions descended from uh 79 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: a legacy of other use. The modern environment right admittedly 80 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: more secular than when the terms B C and A 81 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: D were made. The idea before Christ and then after 82 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: the death of Christ, and in many cultures that do 83 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: not you know, do not have a large Christian population. 84 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: You might see that date used just because it was 85 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: a round and it's what people understand it was right. 86 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: And it's kind of like how when people say awesome, 87 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: at least in the United States, they don't mean awe inspiring. 88 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: When people say brilliant in England they mean okay, uh, 89 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: this you know, this is an interesting question for you 90 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: to bring up here, um, because from what I understood 91 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: what I was looking at, a lot of the comments 92 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: people thought it was going out of the way to 93 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: be politically correct. That's that's what I saw mostly. But 94 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: I think, again, what is the name of that style 95 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: guide that there's m L A and there's a P A. 96 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: A P A is the one that I've always ended 97 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: up using, But I know and there its states CE 98 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: and b C are the correct way now, ah yeah, 99 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,119 Speaker 1: And you'll see B C E UH and C E 100 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: in quite a few academic papers as well. For for 101 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: our purposes, you know, I don't mean to sound disrespectful 102 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: to either secularists or the religious, but uh, for our 103 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: purposes there, at least as far as I'm concerned, they're 104 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: markings in time. But I know that a lot of 105 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: other people care much more deeply about this, and if 106 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: there's an overwhelming thing, if you have an overwhelming reason 107 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: why I think we should use B C E and 108 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: C E or B C and A d uh, then 109 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: please right in because that Matt, I think this is 110 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: something a little closer to you than it is to me. 111 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: To me, it's kind of either way. It's either way 112 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: for me, I guess because we were making an episode 113 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: specifically about the Bible in Jesus, maybe people saw that 114 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: there was some kind of discrepancy there. That's a good point. 115 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: But I think we've done B C E and C 116 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: E for a very long time on our show in total, 117 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: and we probably had a lot of new people watching 118 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: that video because of the all time conspiracy thing. But anyway, 119 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: I just wanted to get your opinion, because yeah, I'm interesting, 120 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: I'm interesting it to us see what people think. The 121 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: point of it being bad for the sake of political correctness. 122 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: I guess that's a valid perspective, for sure. I could 123 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: see it, But that's not why we were doing it. 124 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: That's not why I was doing it. I don't know. 125 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: I don't know what the motivation is. I hear you, 126 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: all right, Well, let's jump into some of the core 127 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: of what we talked about in our video series, and 128 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: the first thing that we looked at is apocrypha and 129 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: what is apocrypha. Apocrypha would be, if you defined it, 130 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: the writings or statements that have dubious authenticity. I really 131 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: like that phrasing, dubious authenticity. I'm not really sure who 132 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: wrote this. That's very polite. Yeah, exactly, very BC oh Man. 133 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: But it has another meaning as well, in the proper 134 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: sense when you know when it's capitalized. It can refer 135 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: specifically to books that were included in the Septigent and 136 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: the Vulgate but excluded from the Jewish and Protestant canons 137 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: of the Old Testament. Right, that's right, and there are 138 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: a lot of early Christian writings that were not included 139 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: in the New Testament. Right. And the the origin of it. 140 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: The etymology is the is Latin and it means secret, 141 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: not canonical. Comes from Greek apocryphos obscure to hide away. 142 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: Apocryphos is one of my new favorite words. I know 143 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: it sounds like a d C. Villain doesn't know apocryphos. Uh. Yeah, 144 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: So we know that apocrypha can have a very specific 145 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: definition depending upon one's denomination. One thing that we discovered 146 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: as we were working on our series is that it 147 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: took a while for Christianity in general to develop a canon, 148 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: and in depending upon the type of Christianity that we're 149 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: looking at, that cannon or that idea of what is 150 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: canonical changes. And we talked about how when people were 151 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: deciding what to leave in the Bible, what to make official, 152 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: then they would give themselves kind of a rubric and 153 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: they would say, well, we'll leave it in the Bible 154 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: if it is from the apostles, if it is clearly 155 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: inspired by God and true and not written by people. Okay, 156 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: let's put it this way, Ben, I'm gonna come to 157 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: you with some books. Uh. And these are books that 158 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: these are writings, early writings that I want to have 159 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: included in the Bible. And here are some reasons that 160 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: you say, no, dude, okay, all right, I'm into it. 161 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: So I come to you with you this book. And 162 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: it's obviously fraudulent. It was created far after the original 163 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: works that were that are already included in what you 164 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: think should be the Bible, and they are made to 165 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: create some kind of political point or stance or maybe 166 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: a statement, um, maybe even to sucker somebody into believing 167 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: a certain thing. I see, Okay, but they're they're obviously fraudulent, 168 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: Like let me write the end down here, okay. Yeah. 169 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: Or if I came to you with a book that 170 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: you believe is not inspired by God or written instead 171 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: by a man or somebody that you know to be 172 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: a man, um, just a human being, You're like, Okay, 173 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: that's Bob over there. He definitely wrote this. M Yeah, 174 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: that's probably not going to go in Okay, So something 175 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: like and Mary spake into the masses saying Bob, well, yeah, 176 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 1: it's awesome. And I mean that in the real sense 177 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: of the word, especially if it's quoting Jesus perhaps, I mean, 178 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: that's you can't put that in the Bible. Here's another 179 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: reason I bring a book to you that has glaring errors, 180 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: like historical errors in them. So such as the Book 181 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: of Judith, where it said Nebuchaennezzar the second was the 182 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: king of uh what is it, Niver, rather than Babylon, 183 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: which he was the king of Babylon at least historically. Okay, 184 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. So matters of known secular fact, 185 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: for instance, or wrong, or maybe they these books contradict 186 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: things that are already set forth and agreed on in 187 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: the canon exactly. Perhaps someone was trying to rewrite history, 188 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: as we've seen people are wanting to do. Sometimes the 189 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: last thing is if it's heretical or it's against the 190 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: doctrine that's already in place. So, yeah, you really don't 191 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: want to mess with the current canonical belief system because 192 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: you do that. And uh, back in the day, there 193 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: were probably some serious consequences. Oh yeah, I see what 194 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: you're saying. So we also have examples of some of 195 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: the books that were banned. So we asked you, if 196 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: you watch the YouTube episode two, suggest for us in 197 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 1: our update video some books that we should take a 198 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: closer look at, and we just wanted to run through 199 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: a few of those. Unfortunately, as we said in the video, 200 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: we couldn't choose everything. Uh, but one of the first 201 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: ones was the Book of Enoch. Yeah, and in the 202 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: Book of Enoch it describes in great detail all of 203 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: these different trips that were taken by Enoch to Heaven 204 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: in various forms. So the Book of Enoch itself is 205 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: separated into these five sections. You've got the Book of Watchers, 206 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: the Book of Parables of Enoch, the Astronomical Book, the 207 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: Book of dream Visions, and the Epistle of Enoch. And 208 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: each one of these different sections of the Book of 209 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: Enoch has its own take on Christian history, and it 210 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: gives you all kinds of interesting concepts that have been 211 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: used throughout time. So it's it's a fascinating book, and 212 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: I'd recommend anybody who has the time go out and 213 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: find a copy, or you know, find it online somewhere, right, Yeah, 214 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: you can find this online. It's not a it's not 215 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: some hidden grimoire or something like that. And unfortunately, the 216 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: same unique takes are part of the reason that this 217 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: book was banned are classified rather as an apocryphal text. 218 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: A lot of scholars believe it's because it had these 219 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: detailed portrayals of the Fallen Angels, or more ominously, the Watchers. 220 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: That's the coolest part to me about the whole book. Yeah, 221 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: to me, that's the coolest part too. There's a quote 222 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: here from Free Republic that I enjoyed and I wanted 223 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: to just read for you guys on the show. Here 224 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: this scripture reads like a modern day action film telling 225 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: a Fallen Angels bloodthirsty giants, and Earth that had become 226 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: home to an increasingly flawed humanity and a divine judgment 227 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: to be rendered. So it does sound kind of like 228 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: an action movie. And if you get a chance, you know, Matt, 229 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: you're right, check it out and read it. But because 230 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,719 Speaker 1: of because of the stuff that it dealt with, especially 231 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: the weird question of that the fallen Angels, the Watchers, Nephilin, 232 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff, the Western Bibles don't use it. However, 233 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: Ethiopian Christians do. Yeah, that's really cool. And it should 234 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: be noted that a lot of this was recovered through 235 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: the Dead Sea Scrolls. Um forget the date when those 236 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: are found. I know we talked about it, but the 237 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: Dead Sea Scrolls are a whole another thing. If you 238 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: have not looked that up, take a moment, maybe a 239 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: couple of hours, maybe a weekend. Just look out the 240 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: Dead Sea Scrolls. Fascinating stuff. Yeah, cancel what you're doing 241 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: for the next day. Yeah. Well, if you're interested in 242 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: this stuff at all, you probably already know about it. 243 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: But even if you're not, Uh, there's some crazy awesome 244 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: history there. Yeah, and see how I used awesome. By 245 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: the way, I think it's awesome. Yeah. Uh. And next 246 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: we have a little something called the Gospel of Mary. 247 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: So this is the second of the banned books of 248 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: the Bible, and it was carbon dated between eighteen hundred 249 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: and one y d. So there's a bit of a 250 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: range there when this could have been produced. The Gospel 251 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: of Mary looks at the relationship between Jesus Christ and 252 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: Mary Magdalene. So, as the writings go, Mary was Jesus's 253 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: most trusted companion um and I used the word companion 254 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: there to imply what the book implies, and a lot 255 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: of the other apostles really didn't like that fact and 256 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: they despised her. So in the Gospel of Mary, Jesus 257 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: reminds the apostles that the inner self is comprised of 258 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: a couple of things, the spirit, the soul, and the 259 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: mind and all ultimate salvation. He says in this that 260 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: it comes from within each person. So it's not something 261 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: that you can go out and get. You have to 262 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: find it inside yourself. And it's not something you need 263 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: an intermediary exactly like a clergy for if it's inside you, 264 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: nobody has to excise it. You just have to find it. 265 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: And uh, that was that was kind of a heavy 266 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: blow to the Book of Mary Magdalene when people are 267 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: looking at whether or not it should go in the Bible. Yeah, 268 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: not to mention the way that it contradicts some of 269 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: the more patriarchal teachings that became a doctrine for a 270 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: long time. And it's sort of a gnostic text to uh, 271 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: the idea that Mary Magdalene might have been an apostle, 272 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: maybe even one of the top dog apostles. Uh. Some 273 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: text in the Bible, you know, controversially seemed to deny 274 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: women a voice in in parts of it. And again, 275 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: this is all we're talking about a book with multiple 276 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: authors over multiple periods of time. Uh. This text is 277 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: often thought to be a major flashpoint for the debate 278 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: about the role of women in the Ristian Church. And 279 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: this idea that Jesus would share secret knowledge with Mary 280 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: that he wouldn't share with the rest of the gang 281 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: is uh, something that's gonna pop up in another band book. 282 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: It's it creates such an interesting picture in my head 283 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: of the idea that perhaps Mary was kind of jesus 284 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: right hand person, and then all the other apostles are 285 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: so jealous and angry about it. They're just throw accusations 286 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: she's a prostitute, she's a bad person. I don't I'm so, 287 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that is true in any way. 288 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: I think it just creates a very interesting picture interest. Yeah, definitely. 289 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: And then there's there's the Infancy Gospel of Thomas. The 290 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: gist of it is sort of a young Jesus, Jesus 291 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: as a kid. Uh And again, not to be disrespectful 292 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: in any way. It made me think of when uh 293 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: TV shows have the young version of something amount like 294 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: Young Indiana Jones and those things. Yeah, those prequels and stuff, 295 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: and they don't quite take off, uh successfully either. And 296 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: and there's an you know, it's not just that Jesus 297 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: was a young person in this, you know, before he 298 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: turned in his thirties and stuff. Instead, this is because 299 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: it depicts the gospel. The Infancy Gospel of Thomas depicts 300 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: Jesus in a much different light in terms of behavior 301 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: and everything. Well, yeah, okay, let's just go ahead and 302 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: say what it is that was in there some of 303 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 1: the things. So the book deals with a strong willed 304 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: young Jesus who did a couple of things. One in 305 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: particular may not be good for the at least the 306 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: story of Jesus. It it says that around age five, 307 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: Jesus may or may not have pushed another kid off 308 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: of a roof, killing him and then bringing him back 309 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: to life Jesus style. And that's you know, that's that's 310 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: pretty disturbing, especially to be included in the idea already 311 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: of this picture that's been painted of Jesus as it 312 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: is non you know, well somewhat non violent guy. And 313 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: I think that's a really good point, man. I'm sorry. 314 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: And would I mean, is that a sin? Killing somebody? 315 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: And then if you bring him back to life, is 316 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: it still a sin? Can you imagine the debates that 317 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: would have to occur. Wow, that's really that's a deep 318 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: question too. And and the the idea that it could 319 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: set up such a precedent in the church at large. Wow, 320 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: that I see what you're saying. So there's a doctrinal 321 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:44,959 Speaker 1: difference there too. And at this point, I think, before 322 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: we move on to the next one, it's very important 323 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: for us to say that we are not in any 324 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: way criticizing and historical Jesus Christ. What we're doing, more 325 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: so is following the uh this sort of wonderful tapestry 326 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: of things that sprang up again from you know, oral 327 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: traditions and from translations that were not always the best 328 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: and sometimes translations of translations. Yeah, definitely, And to me, 329 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: there's something there's something beautiful about the idea that this 330 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: sort of thing could exist and all these other all 331 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: these other variations of it come come out because you know, 332 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: what it kind of makes me think of is if 333 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: it's if we take a book that is clearly written 334 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: by a person who was a fraudster or something, it's 335 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: almost like fan fiction, Matt. It's so then of course, 336 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: if you're the person in charge of maintaining the actual 337 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: book after the cannon has been decided, then you're not 338 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: going to include fan fiction. Uh. It's it's a weird, 339 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: awkward parison, but it is very important. We have one 340 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: more book that you suggested that we wanted to check 341 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: into listeners, and that is the Gospel of Judas. Now 342 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: we're all familiar with Judas, the guy who betrayed Jesus 343 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: and got some silver for it and they hang himself. Okay, 344 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: so that's the guy that this story is, at least 345 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: the perspective of Judas. That's what this is about so uh. 346 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: There are conversations between Jesus Christ and the apostle Judas 347 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: is Scariot, and it provides a hard to find example 348 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: of how Jesus interacted with his kind of his closest people, 349 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: his closest allies and the teachings of Jesus are the 350 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: main focus of this book, and it provides again a 351 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: really unique and interesting perspective on how Jesus used his 352 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: apostles to kind of maximize his efforts in spreading out 353 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: the faith that he was spreading. Yeah. So the Book 354 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: of Judas itself, the Catholic Church considers it apocryphal because 355 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: it portrays Judas Is carry it as a good guy, 356 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: as a decent person. In fact, it portrays him as 357 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 1: someone who is doing what Jesus told him to do 358 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: from the beginning to the end, including you know, including 359 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: the Last Supper and taking the bribe and ultimately playing 360 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: such an influential hand in the crucifixion. Okay, this one 361 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: in particular, it strikes me pretty hard because I'm fascinated 362 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: by the idea that the entire lifespan of Jesus, if 363 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: he if he is a you know, he is God, 364 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: but not God. But you know it again, that the 365 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: whole another story we can get into. That's the huge 366 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: doctrinal conversation that they had at the first Council of Nicea, 367 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: right exactly, which is not where the Bible was finalized 368 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: or books were deemed apocrypha, and and there are all 369 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: kinds of arguments you can have with you could argue 370 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: for a thousand years about this stuff. But the idea 371 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: that if Jesus could see how his life was going 372 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: to play out, he would know that there is someone 373 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: Judas who was going to betray him so that he 374 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: would get crucified so that he would return back into heaven. Right. 375 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: So in in this Gospel of Judas is is just 376 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: wonderfully fascinating to me because I that idea that in 377 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: order for Judas to truly trust Jesus and follow along 378 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: with what he wanted, he just had to do that thing. Yeah, 379 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: controversial to say the very least about it, because you know, 380 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: Judas is one of the very complex characters in in 381 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: the narrow of the Bible, and so to flip it 382 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: to have this weird, honestly, to have this weird m 383 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: Night Shamalan kind of thing with it where he is 384 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 1: not only a good person, but maybe the best of 385 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: the disciples because he's following orders even unto killing uh, 386 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: the person who he worships. And this goes straight into nasticism, right, Matt, 387 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,239 Speaker 1: the concept of dualism. Yes, that's where you get as 388 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 1: above so below you get all kinds of fun things 389 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: from narcissism, Sophia, Yalda both all that stuff, and in 390 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: Yin Yang as well. Yeah, and so of course this 391 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: book ends up being banned because it's supernostic in its 392 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: tone and content. It's set Judas above the other disciples. 393 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: And you know, if you have the Catholic Church, for instance, 394 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: which was founded on the rock with St. Peter, right, well, 395 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: then having Judases carry it then be the primary hidden hero, 396 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: right or the the main sidekick. I guess you wouldn't 397 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: be the hero of the Bible, but the main person. 398 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: That's not only controversial, but in a lot of ways 399 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: from from the church's perspective, it could be dangerous. Yeah, 400 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: oh yeah, Okay, So I just want to put out 401 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: here that one of the reasons that this, all of 402 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: these apocryphal texts are so interesting is a it's a 403 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: matter of perspective and something we talked about a lot. 404 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: If you can give yourself enough perspective on anyone's situation, 405 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 1: you're going to realize that once you once you can 406 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: see it all from all the angles, it is everything, 407 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: and especially the Bible is so much more complicated than 408 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: if you just look at it from one perspective. I 409 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: think that's really good pointment. Then. Also, uh, this brings 410 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: to minds a question that I got. I was asked 411 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: years and years ago and I have been thinking about 412 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: it ever since. And that question was to whom does 413 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: a work belong after it is written? This was for 414 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: a secular book, you know, with a single author that 415 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: we know of. And I was having this argument with 416 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: a couple of professors that I knew, and the the 417 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: argument that they were making as well, after a book 418 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,239 Speaker 1: is written, write a novel whatever, Uh, the interpretation of 419 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: it and what it means, and the people who own 420 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: it are the readers or the critics. Now, let's just 421 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: go ahead and bracket the huge conflict of interests. Of course, 422 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: a professor or critic or someone whose job is it 423 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: is to analyze literature would say, well, you know, it's 424 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: up to us. We're the ones. Because people like to 425 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: be important. Yeah, and uh, it's the same way that 426 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: someone who sells tires will tell you that you need 427 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 1: uh tires there, you gotta get those new brake pads man, 428 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: right and yeah, and usually that's that's true for all 429 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: the mechanics uh and gearheads in our audience. You guys 430 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: know as well as I do that people don't take 431 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: care of their tires. But that's a different show. That's 432 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: a different I. Um which not Kaufman Tires, just this 433 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: guy we know named Kaufman. He just collects tires. But uh, 434 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: but yes, the point that I make there is that 435 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,959 Speaker 1: a lot of the debate about apocrypha, or the debate 436 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: about banning uh certain things from a Bible or creating 437 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: a canonical version of it goes back to the same 438 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: old debate about who who has ownership or authority over 439 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: the Bible. And I think that's one of the reasons 440 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: there are so many splits in the very space, you know, 441 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: as it's as Christianity was growing, because everybody had a 442 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: different opinion, at least the people in power, and there 443 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: you go, you get all the varying versions. And what 444 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: is also exciting is to realize that while history from 445 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: our limited perspective, you met me, everybody listening to this 446 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: from our limited perspective, it's easy to mistake history for 447 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: a static thing, or for these large institutions for unchanging things. 448 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: But it couldn't be further from the truth. They just 449 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: appear not to move because they have such a longer 450 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: lifespan than we do. And the truth of the matter 451 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: is that not only have they not only have they changed, evolved, omitted, reversed, 452 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:58,959 Speaker 1: and expanded over time, but those same changes are probably 453 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,959 Speaker 1: not done. We're you know, we don't know. Another version 454 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,479 Speaker 1: of a Bible may come out, new books may be added, 455 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: and then even eventually accepted. It really is um important 456 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: to emphasize that the march of history and the growth 457 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: of institutions is a continual process. It is not something 458 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: that happened once a few hundred years ago. Their new 459 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: archaeological discoveries all the time. Yeah, now, commodity, Egypt, some 460 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: of these things were found. That's uh, man, we just 461 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: gotta keep digging. Yeah, we have to keep digging, and 462 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: we hope that you will keep digging with us. So 463 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: the verdict the end of the show here is that yes, absolutely, 464 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: it was stuff the early Church did not want you 465 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: to know. And that doesn't mean it was necessarily bad. 466 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: It's just we're trying to get contradictions out of there. Yeah. 467 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: It was a group of people, varying groups of people 468 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: over time, that wanted to protect what they thought was 469 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: saying sacracy. Yeah. Yeah, and that's the perfect word for it. 470 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: So we'd like to hear what you think about the apocrypha, 471 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: and we'd also like to hear what you think we 472 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: should be digging into more deeply in the future. Check 473 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: out our website Stuff they Don't Want You to Know 474 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: dot com, where you can see all of our videos 475 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: and all of our podcasts and Matt. We're all over 476 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: the internet right now. We're on Facebook. We're conspiracy Stuff there. 477 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: We are at conspiracy Stuff on Twitter just to send 478 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: us a line. If you don't like the social media, 479 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: you can always shoot us an email. 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