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Speaker 2: Well, today we are telling you two hours from now,

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Speaker 2: co conspirator. Yesterday, dramatically, the forty five page indictment against

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Speaker 2: We believe, and it apparently has been confirmed by many.

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Speaker 1: And we had John on quite a few times over

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Speaker 1: as a commentation. Oh that's true. Yeah, well in this indictment.

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Speaker 1: In fact, you know what, we know two co conspirators.

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Speaker 1: We met Rudy Giuliani. Oh we met him. When you

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Speaker 2: We're going to start the show though, with Royal Oaks,

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Speaker 2: a DC News legal analyst, for more on the federal

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Speaker 1: The latest Royal, how are you doing great?

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Speaker 3: And yeah, Actually, the point you guys are talking about

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Speaker 1: Right now, how would you prove that they knew that

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Speaker 1: the Trump case, former dean of Chapman Law School and

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Speaker 1: Two of the charges are about obstruction. Now, you know,

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Speaker 2: Now, I mentioned one of Trump's attorneys. His name is

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Speaker 1: He said on the Today Show.

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Speaker 2: What President Trump had was an actual opinion of counsel

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Speaker 2: Lauro said that eliminates criminal intent. Trump wanted to just

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Speaker 1: So that sounds that's one of his own lawyers talking.

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Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, when he talks, he's like a

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Speaker 2: Now, Lauro also said this, these were not fake electors,

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Speaker 2: Politico has this story. See the nineteen sixty Electoral College

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Speaker 1: Had won the state. See that's what they're referring to.

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Speaker 1: A lot of this has happened before. I mean al

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Speaker 1: Gore didn't accept his loss. That went to the Supreme Court. Right,

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Speaker 1: Remember the days when that was happening a lot. There

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Speaker 2: You know things are bad when the New York Times

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Speaker 2: does not one, but two stories on your depressed and

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Speaker 2: They did two stories, the first scenes from a city

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Speaker 2: People caught with small amounts of illicit drugs for quote

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Speaker 1: This was measure.

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Speaker 2: It was approved by nearly sixty percent of the voters

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Speaker 1: You know, I have a hard time feeling sympathy anymore. Really.

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Speaker 1: First of all, when you have sixty percent of the

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Speaker 1: everybody in Oregon deserves this. You voted for it. What

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Speaker 1: do you think was going to happen? How people get

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Speaker 2: You want to accept the fact with harm reduction that

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Speaker 2: and they'll come around and get help. Remember Sam Canonis,

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Speaker 1: It's gone.

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Speaker 2: You're not going to make that decision to come back

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Speaker 2: and try to turn your life around.

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Speaker 1: You no longer have the wherewithal to do that.

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Speaker 2: Harm reduction is a complete failure and a dopey idea,

437
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 2: and it's killing people, and it's making Portland a disgusting place.

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Speaker 2: I haven't been there in years, but I had a

439
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Speaker 2: sister lived up in that area and I did find it.

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Speaker 2: You know, the whole Northwest.

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Speaker 1: It's very shady and cool. And my son went to

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Speaker 1: Portland last year said it was absolutely disgusting. He's never

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Speaker 1: going again. And he thought about eighty percent of the

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Speaker 1: people on the street were whacked out on some drug right. Uh, so,

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Speaker 1: you know it is a disaster. It's gone down the

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Speaker 1: road of San Francisco and probably is not going to

447
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Speaker 1: come back at our lifetime. They've ruined the place. And

448
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 1: because these ideas they're they're they're pushed by you know,

449
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: you know, these progressives are stupid ideas on their face.

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Speaker 1: Defund the police for an example, right, stop prosecuting hard drugs.

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Speaker 1: And these are the kind of extreme ideas that in

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Speaker 1: a normal society, as soon as you hear them, the

453
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Speaker 1: only reasonable reaction is, are you crazy. That's going to

454
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Speaker 1: be a disaster. It's not even worth talking about. It's

455
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Speaker 1: not worth spending even three minutes considering. But they went

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Speaker 1: whole hog on it because it's trendy and it's cool,

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Speaker 1: and it's part of the progressive identity to be for

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Speaker 1: these issues and feel this way. They're wrong. They're just

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Speaker 1: and and and it. It should have been cleared that

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Speaker 1: it's wrong. The more you allow hard drugs, the more

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Speaker 1: people will take them and overdose and die. Now, if

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Speaker 1: that is your goal to have more people die off,

463
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Speaker 1: then yeah, go ahead and do it.

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Speaker 2: The Times interviewed a Portland police officer by the name

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Speaker 2: of David Bear Will you imagine this life. He patrols

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Speaker 2: downtown on a bike. One person needs helped for years

467
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Speaker 2: is a man named Justin. During night patrol shifts in

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Speaker 2: north Portland, he would encounter Justin drunk from a night

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Speaker 2: at bars and drive him home. The other day, I

470
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Speaker 2: was biking around. I look over and I said, oh,

471
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Speaker 2: there's a guy bleeding over there. I roll him over

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Speaker 2: and of course it's Justin. He had come downtown. Now

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Speaker 2: he's addicted to fentanyl. So I Narcndamy came back twice.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I think a big part of his job is writing

476
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Speaker 2: these measure one to ten tickets. It's like, hey, you

477
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Speaker 2: can't smoke met or fentanyl on the sidewalker on the playground.

478
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Speaker 2: And the pushback we get people can be really aggressive.

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00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: They think they're in the right because they think drugs

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Speaker 2: are now legal. I say, beer is legal, but you

481
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Speaker 2: can't drink beer in public. So we cite them, give

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Speaker 2: them the drug screening car. Then they'll say they don't

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Speaker 2: want treatment. A little tells okay, I'll call the.

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Speaker 1: Number, and two hours later we run into them again

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Speaker 1: and they're smoking or even overdosing. And how frustrating is

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Speaker 1: that job? Well, it's entirely predictable. What do you think

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Speaker 1: was gonna happen? Drug addicts are completely unreasonable. Their brains

488
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Speaker 1: are are there side right. They lose, they lose their

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Speaker 1: instinct to survive. All that matters is the drug. There's

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Speaker 1: no there's no rehab for these people. You know, people

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Speaker 1: fall them up. Well, why do we give them the

492
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Speaker 1: second chance? Let's send them to rehab. The rehab doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't work when you're dealing with that kind of

494
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Speaker 1: meth and that kind of fentanyl because they have suffered

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Speaker 1: too much brain damage. So really, all you could do

496
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Speaker 1: is warehouse their bodies in an asylum somewhere because it's done.

497
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: Their brains are cooked. You could let them die in

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Speaker 1: the streets there, or you can take them indoors to

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Speaker 1: an asylum and let them wait out their remaining days

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Speaker 1: half crazy.

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Speaker 2: The other story by the New York Times was by

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Speaker 2: a reporter named Michael Corkory and what I resent even

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00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: the opening Come to Portland. His sister said, it's green

504
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: and beautiful, people are friendly, there are plenty of jobs.

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Speaker 2: In twenty eighteen, Anthony Saldana took his sister's advice. He

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Speaker 2: left Las Vegas, where he was working in the casino.

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00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 2: He moved to a Portland suburb. He rented an apartment.

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Speaker 2: He got John at home depot. Oh, but he never

509
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Speaker 2: quite found his footing. See how soft it is. Like

510
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Speaker 2: early twenty twenty one, he was living in a tent

511
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Speaker 2: under a tree on the edge of a highway and.

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Speaker 1: He was hooked on fennel. Oh, they never quite found

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Speaker 1: his footing. There's another phrase that the he fell into

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Speaker 1: drug use. Yes, the allure of drugs still had a

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Speaker 1: strong hold on him. Those are the phrases they use.

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Speaker 1: And it's it's bull crack okay. He makes a choice

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Speaker 1: to use the drugs, and then once he's addicted, his

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Speaker 1: brain and body compel him over the other consideration to

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00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: keep taking the drugs. The drugs aren't pulling him. He

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00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: didn't fall into anything. He made the choice to take

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Speaker 1: the drug. It's in front of you. You could see

522
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: hundreds of zombies in front of you. You know, it's

523
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: the fence, andel on the math, and you go and

524
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: you take it over and over and over again. It's you.

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00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: You did it to yourself. The story mentions too, there

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Speaker 1: are lesions of volunteers, professionals recovering addicts and good one

527
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Speaker 1: anarchists who hand out sandwiches wound kits to people in

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Speaker 1: the encampments, swearing that they're going to try to help them,

529
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Speaker 1: But instead they're just enabling these people. You can't help them.

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Speaker 2: Remember what Sam Canonis said, You have to have some

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Speaker 2: enforcement measures because when you throw somebody into jail, they

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Speaker 2: don't have access to drugs. This is the first step

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Speaker 2: to turning their life around. If you're just gonna leave

534
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: them in these encampments and just come by with narcan

535
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Speaker 2: and make sure they don't die, they will die eventually.

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00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all gonna die. You're wasting your time giving

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Speaker 1: them the narcan.

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Speaker 2: But John, I don't really care that much. But they're

539
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: destroying a city. They're destroying a neighborhood. They're making life

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Speaker 2: unbearable for people who've lived there.

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Speaker 1: But they're making life unbearable. When sixty percent of them

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Speaker 1: voted votes to happen, I know you lose sympathy there

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00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: on that end. Yeah, all right, you know, I'll give

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Speaker 1: the forty percent who had the sense to vote against

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Speaker 1: this stupid idea. And you know what, this is another thing.

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Speaker 1: It's beyond debate here. It's just a really stupid idea.

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Speaker 1: Repeal the damn thing tomorrow. Repeal it and then enforce

548
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Speaker 1: real drug laws. The story says there are two options.

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Speaker 2: They may go and repeal it or change for more penalties,

550
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 2: or there's the other side that thinks they should double

551
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Speaker 2: down and stick with this.

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Speaker 1: A lot longer. You'll just double the number of deaths.

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Speaker 1: The deaths went from sixty nine in the county. These

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Speaker 1: are people who died mostly from Fentadel to two hundred

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Speaker 1: and nine. So they tripled the death rate, is what

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Speaker 1: they did. Good work. You killed three times as many

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Speaker 1: people with your harm reduction.

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Speaker 2: More coming up Johnny KENKFI AM six forty Live Everywhere

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI

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Speaker 4: AM six forty.

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Speaker 2: We you know a bit more, at least the identity

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Speaker 2: of the guy that was found dead inside the barrel

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Speaker 2: off of Malibu.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that also after two o'clock, Blake Trolley.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about this freeway shooting. One dead, one hurt

567
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Speaker 1: with a shooting on the fifty seven freeway, but the

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Speaker 1: victims ended up in coast to Mesa. They kept on driving.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about.

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Speaker 2: All this in the two o'clock hour, and again our

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Speaker 2: guest at three or five is John Eastman, used to

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Speaker 2: be the law dean at Chapman University, and of course

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Speaker 2: he is well pretty much confirmed he's co conspirator number

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Speaker 2: two in the latest Trump indictment. Of course, he was

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Speaker 2: one of the lead attorneys to advise Trump as to

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Speaker 2: how to fight back the twenty twenty election results. The

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Speaker 2: Daily Mail has one of these exclusives. We move back

578
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Speaker 2: to the other side of this. Hunter Biden trashed his

579
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Speaker 2: four point two million dollar Venice Beach rental house with

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Speaker 2: his rude and entitled wife Melissa, leaving the property in

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Speaker 2: disarray and disrepair and stiffing the owner for eighty thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars in unpaid rent.

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Speaker 1: Well, John, was that a pandemic forgiveness? Was that part

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Speaker 1: of the That's the first thing I thought of as

585
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Speaker 1: well in La La Shitty Rens is part of the

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Speaker 1: scen he was, you know, he's hamstrung by the pandemic

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Speaker 1: right right to.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people couldn't leave their homes, let alone

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Speaker 2: get any income. So why would Hunter Biden be an exception?

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Speaker 2: So the Daily Mail did this story. This was a

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Speaker 2: property that he moved into in February of twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 2: moved out a couple of years later. According to one

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Speaker 2: well placed source, Hunter and Melissa were horrible tenants. Not

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Speaker 2: only did they stiff the owner from months of rent

595
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Speaker 2: that left the house in terrible condition. Now, at the time,

596
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Speaker 2: this property was owned by the CEO of Sweet Green.

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Speaker 2: John You go there all the time, don't you, Deborah Martin?

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00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I do, ye Sweet Green.

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Speaker 1: There is absolutely nothing in Sweet Green that I can

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Speaker 1: eat nothing, is that true? Yeah, Deborah? Don't they have

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00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: something funchy chips or something or no, it's complete swinging, amiss.

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00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: Nothing have you even tried? I have gone because there

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Speaker 1: have been people in my family who've eaten its Sweet Green,

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Speaker 1: and I have looked at the menu. I've walked into

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Speaker 1: one of these places. I do not recognize anything as

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Speaker 1: edible food.

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00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 3: Nothing.

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Speaker 1: You're missing out, man, I don't think so well. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: the CEO was the owner. He's since sold the property.

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Speaker 1: His name is Jonathan Neeman. This guy makes money selling that.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, I haven't followed it closely.

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Speaker 2: They were doing really well and then they kind of

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Speaker 2: hit hard times, and I think they're coming back again.

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Speaker 1: They were I don't know what. It's one of those things.

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00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: This is so common in this country. When something new opens,

616
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 1: everybody wants to go, right, and then after a while

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Speaker 1: the tooth sort of comes out that I just don't

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Speaker 1: not hey, And when everybody wants to go, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to go. It's usually a bad sign when everyone

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Speaker 1: wants to go, because most people are idiots and trendy

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Speaker 1: idiots at that.

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Speaker 2: The source added, they were totally disrespectful of Jonathan and

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Speaker 2: his wife Leora's property. Melissa, that's Hunter Biden's wife, was

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00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: rude and entitled. They destroyed the stereo equipment of a

625
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: home and when someone came to fix it, they were uncooperative.

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Speaker 2: They left the place dirty. He rented it out for

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Speaker 2: twenty five thousand dollars a month.

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Speaker 1: Can't imagine? Can you imagine the piece of work? She

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Speaker 1: must be marrying Hunter Biden. Yeah, Melissa Cohen, what the

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00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: hell was that they've been married? I see they have

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Speaker 1: a couple of kids. But uh man, I mean he

632
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: was down and out not that many years ago, right right?

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Speaker 1: I mean she trip over his crack tent or what ad.

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Speaker 2: He sold the property last March for three point nine million.

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Speaker 2: It's now valued at four point two million dollars. It

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00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: wasn't a big place, but I.

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Speaker 1: Had apparently these large master bedrooms, the thirty eight hundred

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Speaker 1: square feet and apparently a big pool and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: It looks like, it says the modern space opens into

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Speaker 2: a large kitchen island, an open concept dining area.

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Speaker 1: There's actually pictures in the article to show you this

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Speaker 1: place was for sale. So I guess photos appeared online?

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Speaker 1: And which one was Hunter's drug room? Do they have

644
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Speaker 1: that his collection of bonds?

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Speaker 3: Yep?

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Speaker 1: Has one son with this woman, Melissa.

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Speaker 2: He's got three daughters with his first wife, Kathleen, and

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Speaker 2: of course that four year old daughter Navy with the

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Speaker 2: former stripper London Roberts. Right, Yeah, that's the girl that

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden only recently publicly acknowledged as a grandchild.

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Speaker 1: And will probably never acknowledge again. I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: think grandpa's calling her up. No, you gotta get the

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Speaker 1: dial tone on that one. No, probably not.

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Speaker 2: But so it doesn't say here whether or not this

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Speaker 2: guy took it. It looks like he didn't take any

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Speaker 2: action to recover his back rent. If he was owed

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Speaker 2: that much money, that seems significant. Yeah, it doesn't say

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Speaker 2: that he did. According to a well placed source, not

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Speaker 2: just the first source, This one's well placed. The former

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Speaker 2: owner could only shift the property after cleaning up the

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Speaker 2: Biden's mess, and he was left out of pocket when

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Speaker 2: Hunter shorted him for more than three months rent. So

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I decided not to take Hunter to

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Speaker 2: court for the arrears.

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Speaker 1: He is really low clash trash, isn't he Really? He's

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Speaker 1: really trash.

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Speaker 3: He is.

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Speaker 1: Ended up in his addicted lifestyle to tend to be

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, pretty shiftless, send worthless. And the only thing

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Speaker 1: you could do was go out there and use the

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Speaker 1: Trump name to make money for the family. In appears

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Speaker 1: the Biden name sell the brand exactly.

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Speaker 2: All right, Again, we're gonna have John Eastman on the

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Speaker 2: show in the three o'clock hour. We're gonna come back

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Speaker 2: next and talk about this freeway shooting on the fifty

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Speaker 2: seven freeway with one dead, one hurt. We'll give you

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Speaker 2: an update. We now know the name of and what

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Speaker 2: the person did for a living that was found nude

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Speaker 2: dead in that barrel off of Malibu. Johnny KENKFI AM.

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