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Speaker 1: Well, hi there, everybody that look terrible. Let's see it

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Speaker 1: is the twenty third of September twenty twenty one, and

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Speaker 1: this is episode I believe eighty eight of my live chat.

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Speaker 1: My name is Luke Thomas. This is my live chat

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Speaker 1: that I do on Let's see here on Morning Combat,

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Speaker 1: which is a wonderful show that I do with Brian

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Speaker 1: Campbell three times a week. In fact, we are back

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Speaker 1: tomorrow at eleven am to get you ready for all

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Speaker 1: of the weekends fights.

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Speaker 2: But for now, give this.

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Speaker 1: Video a thumbs up its subscribe and let's get this going.

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming there's gonna be a lot of UFC two

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Speaker 1: sixty six talk on this. I don't know exactly, but

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Speaker 1: we'll get to that and whatever else is on your mind. Plus,

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Speaker 1: I have a big announcement, So when we're gonna do

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Speaker 1: the big announcement, we're gonna do it right now after

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Speaker 1: this opening stinger, and there we are, okay, like and

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Speaker 1: At the time being, let's pull up the question ons.

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Speaker 1: I will get to this announcement because it is quite relevant,

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Speaker 1: and then we will get going. Okay, announcement time I

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Speaker 1: feel like it's pretty big. So we've been doing this.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna turn this off. We have been doing We've

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Speaker 1: been doing this live chat well a long time, in

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Speaker 1: various stages and in various places since in one version

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Speaker 1: or another, since twenty twelve. But I was doing it

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Speaker 1: on my personal channel for a little while, and then

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Speaker 1: we brought it over to MK to help MK get going.

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Speaker 1: But MK has gotten going quite I haven't reached all

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Speaker 1: the benchmarks we want, obviously, we have a long way

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Speaker 1: to go with a lot of that stuff. But it's

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Speaker 1: off to the races. So here's what we're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: The live chat continues next week three pm in the

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Speaker 1: East on Thursdays, but it's going back to my personal channel.

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Speaker 1: So starting next week and then forever after that, my

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Speaker 1: live chat returns to my personal YouTube channel, that's YouTube

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Speaker 1: dot com slash Luke Thomas. It will be Thursdays at

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Speaker 1: three if that. If the crowd over there decides they

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Speaker 1: but for the time being, I'll probably keep it on

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Speaker 1: the exact same day with the exact same time, right

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Speaker 1: so we can have a discussion if you want to

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Speaker 1: put it at a different day, a different time later,

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Speaker 1: but for now we will keep the consistency. But but

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Speaker 1: it's moonlighting phase over here on MK is coming to

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Speaker 1: a close. This is the last episode where that will happen.

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Speaker 1: Starting next week. It is back on my personal YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: I told you all, donks told you all that I

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Speaker 1: I already have actually, but you know we're going to

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Speaker 1: So so there you have it. The live chat goes

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Speaker 1: back to my personal channel, and you have to be asking, well,

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Speaker 1: what is going to replace that if you're just taking

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Speaker 1: it away? Well, we have some more surprises for you.

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Speaker 1: I will either get to those tomorrow or we'll get

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Speaker 1: to them on Monday. But don't think I'm just taking

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Speaker 1: then just leaving everyone here high and dry. We are

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Speaker 1: actually bringing back. We're not bringing back. We're gonna be

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Speaker 1: starting up two new franchises exclusive to MK, and I

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Speaker 1: think you're gonna like them, I really really do. I

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Speaker 1: If you're a real fight fan, I think you will

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Speaker 1: really like what we've got cooking for you, guys, So

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Speaker 1: you can always watch my live chat on my personal

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel from now on if you want to keep

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Speaker 1: I will keep up with the live chat on my

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Speaker 1: personal channel, which, by the way, for folks who are

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Speaker 1: asking if it's going back to your personal channel, Luke,

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Speaker 1: are you gonna bring back the super chat, Yes, I am,

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Speaker 1: that is coming back as well. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: It just moves back to where it came from, and

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Speaker 1: bit to some extent, yes, whether it's John Jones potentially

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Speaker 1: down on, Dude, go to the one before that, Go

432
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Speaker 1: to the one against Jose Aldo. Jose Aldo was like,

433
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Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuck to do with this.

434
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 1: He didn't get super beat up, he didn't get you know,

435
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 1: he thrashed. It wasn't a beating by any stretch of

436
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Speaker 1: the imagination. And if you want to dock him for that,

437
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: then find dock him for that. But dude, go back

438
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: and watch that. Jose Aldo could not figure out what

439
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: the fuck he was looking at over fifteen minutes, and

440
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,439
Speaker 1: Volkanowski just cruised to frankly a relatively easy decision. In

441
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 1: the process, chaed Mendez was able to score a nice

442
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: shot on him, but then he got finished in the

443
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 1: process for it. Dude, Volkanovsky is a tough bastard. He

444
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 1: comes right in front of you in ways where the

445
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 1: angle might be interesting, the timing might be interesting. He

446
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 1: gets you to look this way, he goes that way,

447
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 1: he gets you to think hi, he goes low, or

448
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 1: vice versa. It's all about misdirection and camouflage, with timing

449
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 1: and angles and setups. He's a tough nut to crack, dude,

450
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 1: He's a very tough nut to crack. You don't see

451
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: people land on him very clean, very often. With the

452
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Speaker 1: fight being postponed earlier this year, can that be beneficial

453
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Speaker 1: for Ortega?

454
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Speaker 2: Sure?

455
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 1: Of course, with extra time to train, does it help

456
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: him improve his striking? Yes, but I'm not sure exactly

457
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Speaker 1: what you mean by that. Or is the postpart duration

458
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 1: not enough time to make any significant improvements? No? I

459
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 1: think it probably can only help. I don't think it

460
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: hurts I mean, whether enough, Whether it's enough to make

461
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 1: the difference between winning and losing is almost impossible to say.

462
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: But I don't think it hurts him exactly. This wasn't

463
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 1: like that was the good time and now is the

464
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Speaker 1: bad time. I don't know why now would be the

465
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Speaker 1: bad time versus that being a better one. I tend

466
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Speaker 1: to think that the more you can begin to sort

467
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Speaker 1: of try to find patterns in this or some other

468
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: way to like not even buy into that game plan,

469
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Speaker 1: to take the fight to Volkanovski and get him to react,

470
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Speaker 1: to get him to think about what you're doing, to

471
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Speaker 1: cut all that off, so to speak. There's lots of

472
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Speaker 1: ways you could potentially attack it, but I'm just saying

473
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 1: the extra time probably only helped. I don't think it

474
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Speaker 1: hurt at all. Do you remember when Nick Diaz was

475
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Speaker 1: given a five year suspension and we were beside ourselves

476
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Speaker 1: at this injustice, thinking this would single handedly end his career,

477
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: and then despite the suspension, the suspension being overturned, he

478
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: voluntarily takes a six and a half year layoff, longer

479
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: than if he had actually served his original original suspension.

480
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Speaker 1: Is this not the most Nick Diaz thing ever? You know,

481
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: I really had it ud never thought of it quite

482
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Speaker 1: on those terms. But that is a great point. That

483
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: is a great point. He is, for better or for worse,

484
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Speaker 1: for comfort or for frustration. He is his own man.

485
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Speaker 1: You know, she guys watched the interview with Brett Okamoto.

486
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Speaker 1: That's a that's a I'm not sure what to make

487
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: of that interview. I don't I don't. I don't. I

488
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: don't know what to make of it. Some things I

489
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: thought were misconstrued, blown up out of proportion, and it's

490
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Speaker 1: somethings that are like genuinely worrying.

491
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

492
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Speaker 1: We'll see. Look, you've mentioned that you take a cocktail

493
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Speaker 1: of meds to go to sleep night.

494
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: That's true.

495
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: Do you believe the reason that you need to is

496
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: due to genetics? Maybe lifestyle? For sure, it's a lot

497
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: of stress. Mostly being unable to regulate going to sleep

498
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: at a consistent time is really the biggest problem, Just

499
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: constant stress. What is Colby's game plan ahead of his

500
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: fight with Usman? The same thing that Colby did to

501
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: Robbie Lawler. If that's what he could do to Kamara Usbin,

502
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 1: you know I'd be like, well, Robbie's totally different than Usman. Yes,

503
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Speaker 1: I understand you. You're asking about game plan. Game plan.

504
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: He wants to overwhelm him with volume from pitter powder strikes.

505
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: Some might be hard, most of them won't be. Probably

506
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: overwhelm him positionally, overwhelm him with effort, overwhelm him with workload,

507
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: overwhelm him with the physical commitment to the kind of

508
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: fight it would be for him. That's what I think

509
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: he wants to do. Standing at range with Uspin especially

510
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: now is pretty perilous and he couldn't win the first way,

511
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: although to his credit, remember the judges had it won

512
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: three three, one two two heading into the fifth, So

513
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: you know that back then that wasn't the worst game plan.

514
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: But I think hindsight being twenty twenty, you know, Gilbert

515
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: Burns kind of sort of getting in his face a

516
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: little bit, and uh, even Masvidaal the first time around

517
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: having some success too with some of the wrestling defensive stuff.

518
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna look to wrestle and I think

519
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: he's gonna look to put pace on him big time.

520
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: Wh or not he will succeed, we shall see, but

521
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: that's what I think for sure. Oh, here we go.

522
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: How heartbreaking is Nick Diaz his honesty in the Okamoto interview? Heartbreaking?

523
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: Is it heartbreaking? It's worrisome. It's worrisome. You get this

524
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: sort of sense that he Nick is only doing this

525
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: because the things he wanted to do. He feels like

526
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: the rug was pulled out from under him, or what

527
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: else is he going to do to make this kind

528
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: of money, or you know, would he live with regret

529
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: if he didn't sort of see it through, or you know,

530
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: there's a lot of reasons why he's doing it other

531
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: than the fighting itself, which you know, understood that way

532
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: is not at all uncommon. And you also have to

533
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: recognize Nick is probably going to admit things most fighters

534
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: won't even if they feel that way. Nick is probably

535
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: going to admit things most fighters won't, and those fighters

536
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: candidly might be in a little bit of denial about

537
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 1: how they feel about it, whereas Nick is not, and

538
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: so he can bring articulation to these ideas and views

539
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: when you may not ordinarily get that, even if it's

540
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: actually much more common than you recognize. In fact, I

541
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: tend to think there's a lot of that at play here. Still,

542
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: it's not like he's committing to a love of accolades

543
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: or a love of the game, or a love of

544
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: the process, or I just I really wanted to prove

545
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: something through this. It's almost as if he's sort of

546
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: viewed ambition in the fight game as a way to

547
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: get maybe some of the best rewards he can, but

548
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: simultaneously to mostly please others, not himself. It's a process

549
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: he truly does not enjoy and it's knowingly going to

550
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: result in his own exploitation. But short of having a

551
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: better option, here he is. I'll say this, most thirty

552
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 1: eight year old fighters should not be saying that. If

553
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: you wanted to say something like that a little closer

554
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: to thirty, like before you'd hit let's say, let's say

555
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: you're still working on your game or whatever I think

556
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,239
Speaker 1: you could. You know, it's weird because here's a guy

557
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: who had more to give, seemingly and more opportunity to

558
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: make money and then, for various reasons.

559
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: Chose not to.

560
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: It's almost as if he's talking about someone the game

561
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: never gave a shot to, uh, and it maybe didn't

562
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: give him one in the way which he had hoped.

563
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: But I mean, he made it a lot further than

564
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: you know. He's easily in the top one percent of

565
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 1: fighters right in terms of like monetary reward, that kind

566
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: of a thing. He has a very tortured relationship with

567
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: the fight game, and most people who have that kind

568
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: of a tortured relationship usually bow out. Do you see

569
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: YouTube political commentators running for Congress Senate in the future,

570
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: like how Larry elder Ran or do you think they

571
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: are content with their position in the political world. Well,

572
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: it's hard to say, right, because a lot of these

573
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: political actors don't make a ton of money, although obviously

574
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: if you stick around long enough, you can usually convert

575
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Speaker 1: that into big money.

576
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: But if you're.

577
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: First of all, it's a lot of work to do

578
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: those jobs. I mean, Tito found that out. It's a

579
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: very low level one. You're talking about sort of a

580
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: federally elected pass position. But you know, you know, the

581
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: zoning has to take place, Waste management is a thing

582
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: that you have to worry about. Various forms of taxation

583
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: need to be implemented like these are. It's a hard

584
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: job and I don't think he was in any way

585
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: prepared for it. So there's there's that part. The other

586
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: part is it may not be as financially rewarding as

587
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: whatever current gig they have. I do think you'll see

588
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: that crossover into various forms of activism on either side.

589
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: But for office, I mean, Larry Elder's problem was that

590
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: he was sort of this de facto candidate for and

591
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: it's almost this face to an extent of the recall,

592
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: but he was in a blue state, and once the

593
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: folks who lean to the blue side in the Blue

594
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: State heard about some of the things he was offering

595
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: as a method of managing affairs. He was easily overrun

596
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: in the end. There's a lot of there's a lot

597
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: of dislike even on the left of Gavin Newsom. But

598
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: Larry Elder was so odious that they couldn't tolerate. But

599
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: I remember him years ago and he was much more mild,

600
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: and he was the host of Moral Court. You guys

601
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: remember that he had a show called Moral Court. I

602
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: even read one of his books years ago, like in college,

603
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: a long time ago, when he was sort of more

604
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: of a libertarian type versus what he had to end

605
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: up being, which is to really get one of those

606
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: audiences on either side. Quite frankly, to do this, there's

607
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of extreme positions that one has to maintain.

608
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: I mean, that's right, that's sort of part of how

609
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: those identities work that make them electorally a little more

610
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: difficult to achieve your ends. Look in a situation like

611
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: next month's UFC two sixty seven card where it's not

612
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: a paid pay per view, well, Blahovich and Sterling lose

613
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: out on their part of the pay per view buys,

614
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: or will the UFC compensated them fairly, just basically the

615
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: amount of people who watched that event, and my guess

616
00:31:55,200 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: is it's they probably will not I'm speaking out of turn.

617
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: My guess is that whatever's in the contract, they're just

618
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: going to get. I mean, I've heard many times about

619
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: fighters who you know, on big cards with big names,

620
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: including title fights, and I mean, that's how Demetris Johnson

621
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: got paid, right, he had a flat fee. I don't

622
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: think he got I think he rejected points. If memory

623
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: serves so, there's that there might be a way where

624
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: they get compensated. But I tend to think that the

625
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: answer is I don't know, because I don't want to

626
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: speak out of turn. I have seen other similar situations

627
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: where there was no effort made by UFC to make

628
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: up any kind of perceived difference. That's what I can say.

629
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: Why is Western MMA media so obsessed with one championships

630
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: financials when they barely bother to cover the fights that

631
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: one puts on. This is a a really interesting question

632
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: and it gets it speaks to a lot about I

633
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: think the current state of MMA fandom, Like there's just

634
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: a lot of expectations for MMA media to be like

635
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: a professional fan like, and this is true of both them,

636
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: fans and fighters like. They just sort of expect media

637
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: members to have a certain level of you know, are

638
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: you sufficiently reverent of everyone here? Like? You don't need

639
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: to be reverent of any of them to do the job.

640
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, I think many of us are. But that's

641
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: not a requirement. It wouldn't be anything I would ever

642
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: look at on a resume before hiring anyone. I can

643
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: tell you that right up front. So that's a weird thing.

644
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: The other one is like, why don't, like, do you

645
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: think that in covering one's financials that they're making a

646
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Speaker 1: lot of money on clicks? I guarantee you those articles

647
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Speaker 1: are up there with some of the worst that perform,

648
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: or at least that's a little strong. Those are not

649
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: ever going to be the reason that Bloody Elbow or

650
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: any other place makes money off of traffic. Ever you

651
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: will if, in fact, if you had a site devoted

652
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: just to that, you would go out of business like that.

653
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Speaker 1: So why are they covering it? They're covering it because

654
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons. Most mma financial information is not

655
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: readily available. How would you get information about Bellator's financials?

656
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: Other than what the Commission disclosed or what might come

657
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: through a VIACOM disclosure, which even then would have lots

658
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: of different layers of protections from what they would have

659
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: to share about the financials of Beltore. It's almost impossible

660
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: to get same with UFC. There are some things you

661
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: can learn. Again, the court case has been extremely helpful,

662
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: but like you know, month to month finances in twenty

663
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Speaker 1: twenty one are going to be extremely difficult to come by,

664
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Speaker 1: so that has impacted the reporting as well. That is

665
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: not the case with one. It turns out they can

666
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 1: actually have a shitload of information that can be quite

667
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: valuable to understand things. Why might you want to understand them? Well,

668
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. One is what is the

669
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: health of large MMA organizations in Asia? How do they perform,

670
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: what do they look like, what kind of money do

671
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: they get to bring in? What kind of money are

672
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: they spending? I would just tell you about the state

673
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: of the economy over there, the MMA economy, I should say,

674
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Speaker 1: in the state of some of the larger players.

675
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: Like knowing that information is to me valuable.

676
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd be valuable to the average fan, but

677
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: to me it's quite valuable. More to the point when

678
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't in any way match what the organization says,

679
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: that should be a red flag in your mind. Let's

680
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: be fucking clear about it. Nothing that one ever publicly

681
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: says ever matches the financial reality that the documents show

682
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: that is a red flag. And when they have other

683
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 1: issues like hey, we've solved weight cutting or we're gonna

684
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: have lot of testing, whatever the fuck that's supposed to be,

685
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: it's a non thing that is also a red flag.

686
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: And that should also tell you about ways in which

687
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: they might treat fighters that go undetected or any other

688
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: issue that could be involved between the relationship of fighters

689
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: to management is now in play because you have a

690
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: demonstrated record of there being a.

691
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 2: Gap between two things.

692
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: That can actually be pretty important as it relates to

693
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Speaker 1: their fights.

694
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

695
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: I tend I've been very clear on this chat. I

696
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: tend to think that their product is great. I actually

697
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: really like it. But that's a decision for editors to

698
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: make about to what extent does our audience care, To

699
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: what extent are these fights relevant? To what extent do

700
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: we have their the internal resources to cover this.

701
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 2: Kind of thing.

702
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: Is it behind a paywall, is it not. Those are

703
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: all complicated series of choices that editors over time have

704
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: to make. But if you're asking why are they doing it,

705
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: there's a ton of good reasons, not least of which

706
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: is they have access to information that's otherwise shielded from

707
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: them due to various corporate structures here in North America

708
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: and in other places. And we're talking hundreds of millions

709
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: of dollars that go out and again does not match

710
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: what anyone in the company ever publicly says. Dude, that's

711
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: a story. That's an ongoing story, and that's one worth

712
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: paying attention to. And if I was doing business with

713
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: a company that could not be candid about what the

714
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: record showed or in any way ever decided to address

715
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,959
Speaker 1: them beyond vague in assurances to not believe fake news, boy,

716
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: I would really I would have to think twice about that,

717
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't I. I mean, there's very good reasons for this.

718
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: The last thing I'd say is, dude, I mean, part

719
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: of this gets lost in the role at MMA media

720
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: is supposed to play. There's supposed to be watchdogs, you know,

721
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: and very few companies ever put any media company or

722
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: any media outlet, or various reporters inside of MMA to

723
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: actually do some of that. In fact, it's not a

724
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: coincidence that John Nashey does some of the best work

725
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: on this. A has a sort of a singular focus

726
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 1: on this, like he doesn't do fight recaps Number one

727
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: and number two. Is in no way ever interested in

728
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 1: UFC credentials or having any kind of embedded status within

729
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: the sport, because otherwise you would just get bounced from it.

730
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: But if you start from a position where you don't

731
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: care about that, it just sort of frees you to

732
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: do this kind of important work. Frankly, I'm going to

733
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: reread that question in my mind as a different way

734
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 1: of you being grateful that somebody would take the time

735
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: to do something like this. If as a fan you

736
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: don't really care because what you're just trying to do

737
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: is see fights, I honestly understand that perspective, But then

738
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: then don't then don't pay attention to it. But if

739
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 1: you're asking, like, what would be the importance of something

740
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: like this, the importance would be significant, quite significant. I

741
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: started watching MMA after Nick Diaz's departure. Can you talk

742
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 1: about what it was like when he was still fighting?

743
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: Was there always a big anticipation energy not always. It

744
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: took time, but yes, And what was he like I

745
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: just watched his interview with brett O Komodo. Was he

746
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: always like this? He was like a bit of a

747
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: precursor to Tony Ferguson where he would have these like

748
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: I remember when he was with pro Elite and he

749
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: would do these interviews with Ariel. They'd be long and

750
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: rambling and weird, but like totally different, and then he

751
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: would go out there and have this, you know, unusual,

752
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: semi unusual fighting style, but it was action oriented and

753
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: it was fucking good. Tony's a little bit more high

754
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: intensity energy, but it was a little bit like that.

755
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: It was a little bit like that. But also we

756
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: did a resume review. Do you expect Cyril Gone to

757
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: be as strong as he was in the clinch? You mean,

758
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: like at any point in the future. Oh, you mean

759
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: with Francis? Okay, Derek Lewis is a large individual and

760
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: he seemed to control him pretty easily. How well do

761
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: you think he can control someone as strong as Francis

762
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: in the clinch and on the ground. Well, mastery of

763
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: the clinch position can be obviously very physically aided by

764
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: what kind of an athlete you are not just in

765
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: terms of your overall strength and explosivity, but potentially body type,

766
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: how long various limbs and folcrums are and what that

767
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: can play a pretty significant role. But let's explain something

768
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: here very quickly. The clinch is a position, and because

769
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: it is a position, that means it can be mastered.

770
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: And if it can be mastered, that means it has

771
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: a series of extremely important details that go into making

772
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: it what it is. If you have never locked up

773
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Speaker 1: with somebody who was a talented operator in the clinch

774
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: in terms of turning opponents off balancing opponents, misdirecting them

775
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: with strikes as they get turned and off balanced, you

776
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: have no idea what you're up against. I have gone

777
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: up against people just playing around in the gym who

778
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, were in good shape. It didn't look like

779
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: bruisers or anything, and they were fucking hercules in the clinch.

780
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: In fact, there's old interviews of Rich Franklin talking about

781
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: Anderson Silva. So why did he go to the clinch

782
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: so easily in their I think it was their first

783
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: fight he did that, whatever fight it was first or second.

784
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Speaker 1: What he had said was that they thought that was

785
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: going to be a position of strength for them that

786
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: in previous iterations and fights where he had been locked

787
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: in the clinch, he was the one bossing people around

788
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: in training, he was the one off balancing, turning, pushing, pulling,

789
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: really just controlling these other people. And then he got

790
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 1: up to Silva and he realized he wasn't even close

791
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: to being the dominant guy in that position that he

792
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: thought he was. I mean, yes, he had those wins

793
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 1: with other guys and they were legitimate, but against Silva

794
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: it did him no good. Dude, Silva's not going to

795
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: out bench press a guy like Rich Franklin. He's not

796
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: going to squat more. He's not going to deadlift more,

797
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: even though he has long, long ass arms. Rich is

798
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: a stronger athlete. So why didn't that work in the clinch, dude?

799
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: Because it's a position of technique. Strength matters, of course,

800
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: but you know, you got to have a feel for

801
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: the position and balance in there. And again, it's always

802
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: about disrupting the stability and order of it for your opponent,

803
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: to bend them and turn them, to push them and

804
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: pull them, to drive them one way, make them go another,

805
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: and to make them resist by stepping their weight and

806
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: then going into another place with it. It's all about

807
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: that and the guys who are really good at it.

808
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: You feel like a piece of clothes trapped in a laundry,

809
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: you know, the the la tombola, whatever it is, the

810
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: the rotating thing instead of a dryer, just and it

811
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: just keeps going and it never ends. It's disorienting. It

812
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: hurts because you you know, you're getting pulled down constantly

813
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: and you're just at the mercy of you know, it's

814
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: like being trapped in with undertow. You know you're getting

815
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: pulled and you're trying to swim your way out of it.

816
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: You're not going to beat that, you know. That's what

817
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: it's like. So so you know, I'm not saying Cyril

818
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: Ghan is as good in the clinch as an operator

819
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: as Anderson, or maybe he's better.

820
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: I'm not here to compare them per.

821
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Speaker 1: Se, just to give you an illustrative example of what

822
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: this can look like. But Derek lewis being bigger and

823
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: stronger overall. It's sort of an aggregate athletic sense. Maybe

824
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: we can argue maybe that's not even true. Let's say

825
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 1: that it is. Doesn't matter, it's not relevant if someone

826
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: is also sufficiently strong and an expert operator from this position.

827
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: If you have that, you know you can put in

828
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: the world's strongest man. They're gonna get. They're gonna get,

829
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: They're gonna get pulled and turned and off balanced and hurt.

830
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: Would you do a resume review for GSP?

831
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 2: Sure?

832
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: Look, we live in a weird time. If the fight happens,

833
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: What fatality this mighty us use on rad Tang when

834
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: they get to the m m A round? Take them down,

835
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: chuck them out, something like that.

836
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: I don't know.

837
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: Some weird questions in here. I might save these for

838
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: when we go to the UH to my personal channel.

839
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: Should Robbie get a percentage of Nick's purse for not

840
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: making the originally agreed weight? I do think he should.

841
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: I do think he should. Yes, if you're punting it

842
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: because you don't want to make weight, but you do

843
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: it ahead of time, that's fine. But in principle to me,

844
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: that's tantamount to almost It's not quite tantamount, but it's

845
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: pretty close to just not making weight. So did you

846
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: see Don Madge the South African has left UFC ahead

847
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: to PFL. I did see that. I was very surprised.

848
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: By that he has not had a fight in years.

849
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: What do you think of the switch? I was sad

850
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: to see it. Don Madge is a good fighter with

851
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: great striking, who had a ton of promise. I wanted

852
00:44:50,840 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: to pull up his record here. Let's see, uh, let's

853
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: see depressing. All right, Don Madge, magic man, all right,

854
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: undefeated in UFC over the close course of two fights.

855
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: He'd beat t Edwards. You guys remember him. This dude

856
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: came out of the Contender series looking like a million

857
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: bucks and he got finished inside of two. And then

858
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: he fought fereziam With the decision went over him. Then

859
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: he's supposed to fight Mega Man Mustafaiev canceled bout. Then

860
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: he's supposed to fight Gorram Kuta Ladze or whever the

861
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: fuck his name is, canceled bout. They we supposed to

862
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: fight Nasrak hack Press canceled out, Then they went back

863
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: to Goam canceled out, And so I guess the UFC

864
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: just kind of let him walk. And he's very talented,

865
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: he's a really really really good fighter. I like him

866
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: a lot. I think very highly of him. I guess

867
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: he went to PFL. I don't know if Belt or

868
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: wanted him. I don't know what the situation was. Yeah,

869
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: I have to talk to him and see what I mean.

870
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: I think it's all immigration related and visa related. I

871
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: would love to see what the situation is now. But

872
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: he's he should I don't know. Yeah, I don't know

873
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: what tournament he's gonna be entering in, but I would

874
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: put him as somewhat to spotlight to potentially win it.

875
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: He is very talented and a very good striker. If

876
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: Hooker can't win on Saturday, you mean, if Hooker doesn't win,

877
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: what do you what does it mean to say Hooker

878
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: can't win? I don't even know what that means, Like

879
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: it's like literally not possible for him to win. Or

880
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: are you saying if he ends up not winning, should

881
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: he consider a move to one seventy. No, I don't

882
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: think so. I don't think he's big enough for one seventy.

883
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: Sure what he would do at that point? Please consider

884
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: doing a Ortega breakdown dissect it if we see more

885
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: than two rounds. Hard to imagine it would be a

886
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 1: boring fight. I actually think there's a pretty decent chance

887
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: it could be boring. Now, it could be very action packed.

888
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: It really all depends on Ortega. But if you think

889
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: that there's not a way this can be boring, I

890
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: would strongly caution you against that. If Volkanovsky is cooking,

891
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: but not cooking so much that he can get this

892
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: huge lead on Ortega. So this sort of thing he

893
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: did to Max in the first fight, why wouldn't that

894
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: be boring?

895
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 2: Very well? Could be boring.

896
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: But if Ortega can just read him a mile away

897
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: and can tune him up that he's got a resort

898
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: to this, that and the other, and Ortega's busting him up,

899
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: and it's fun like that could be phenomenal, Like that

900
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: could be really good. How it goes your guess is

901
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 1: certainly literally quite literally, just as good, if not meaningfully

902
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: better than mine. But when you say hard to imagine

903
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: it could be boring, oh not for me, I think

904
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: there's actually, you know, whenever someone fights, there could be

905
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: always a million permutations, an infinite number of permutations about

906
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: the way you could go, but some are always going

907
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: to be more likely than others. I would put the

908
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: likelihood of this being boring. I don't know if it's

909
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: the likeliest possibility, but like, is it high relative to

910
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 1: other permutations? Yes, it's high. Can you do a Luke

911
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: no Cell's BC counter at the bottom like you have

912
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: for the BC nineties reference counter before? I love the awkwardness.

913
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: It's already asking a lot for folks to get the

914
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: BC counter for the ninety stuff. I think adding another

915
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: one doesn't do as many favors. Does Devin Clark shoulder

916
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: the burden of medical bills for his bad mouth injury?

917
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: How does UFCE Health Insurance work? So my understanding is

918
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: it happened during the course of the fight, which is

919
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: going to make any of the immediate and then I

920
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: think most of the ongoing repairs for Devin strictly the

921
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: responsibility of the UFC, Like, I don't think he's going

922
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: to come out of pocket for any of that. The

923
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: only part that I don't understand how it works is

924
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: when it becomes any kind of potential long term burden.

925
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: So we had Tim Sylvia who got his arm broken

926
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: against Frank mehr One of Actually, if you've never seen it,

927
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: it's one of the best refing jobs you'll ever see.

928
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: Herbding do very good job because you had Tim with

929
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: his arm out and then he's pulling away and it

930
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: doesn't break. Here at the folkrum. It breaks here at

931
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: the middle and it doesn't shoot through the skin, but

932
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: in slow motion you can see the bone pop, but

933
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: in real time it was actually kind of hard to see.

934
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: Herb saw it and stopped it immediately, and Tim was like,

935
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: I'm fine, I want to keep going. Meanwhile, his arm

936
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 1: is like completely broken. Obviously all that was paid for

937
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: and during his reign and everything by UFC. It was

938
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: after the fact that he was trying to file a

939
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: workers comp claim against UFC. It didn't go anywhere, and

940
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: the screws that were in his arm were getting infected

941
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: and actually coming out slowly. He was having to pour

942
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: hydrogen peroxide on them, so he went to go fund

943
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: me to get it fixed. There becomes a point where

944
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: it no longer becomes the UFC's responsibility. If you're asking

945
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: about like when he went to the doctor and they

946
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: surgeried him up and everything else, and how that will

947
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: be Yes, all of that is entirely covered by UFC

948
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: and then some and you know, and it should be

949
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: noted at times they will they will look at this,

950
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: look at the spam calls that I get ready, Department

951
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: of Justice, I mean, what are we doing, hey, Luca's

952
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: Department of Justice just want to tell you that if

953
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 1: you don't pay us like five hundred bucks right now

954
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: over Venmo, then you're going to go to jail for

955
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: What's he going to jail for.

956
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 2: College loan theft?

957
00:50:54,320 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: I don't have any college loans. Am I surprised how

958
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: well Real Madrid are doing this season.

959
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 2: A little a little.

960
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: Kareem Benzema is playing out of his mind, and Kamavinga

961
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: is a beast. Vinnie seems to have turned a corner

962
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: of Venecias. Junior Hadrigo is quite good, Asensio just had

963
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: a hat trick. I think East Go scored as well.

964
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: Granted is against you know, a numb ass team, but

965
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 1: actually what worries me is not their offense. They seem

966
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 1: to be like an offensive juggernaut. If anything, we'll see

967
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: about what happens to Azard, but it's their defense, Militao.

968
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: You know, they lost Varan, they lost Carva, Hall's injured,

969
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: they lost Ramos, you know they granted they picked up

970
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: some other names along the way. Alaba's great, but they

971
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: still got some shoes in the back Foreshore. Most underrated,

972
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: underappreciated Arnold Schwarzenegger movie man, that's a tough one. Most underrated, underappreciated.

973
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say just in terms of like the respect

974
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 1: that it gets.

975
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: You know what I need to leave?

976
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: Do I play with Chrome when I stream now with

977
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: like Jack's up my computer? Hang on, I think this

978
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: is the name of it. I want to make sure

979
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: I got the name. I saw this when I was

980
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: on I'd seen it years ago, but then I saw

981
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: it again during the.

982
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 2: What do you call it?

983
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:47,479
Speaker 1: During the pandemic? Red Heat? Red Heat's a decent one

984
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: for action movies. He plays a Soviet soldier who works

985
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: with Jim Belushi, you know, in Chicago, and they have

986
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 1: the kind of you know, it's a buddy cop thing.

987
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 2: That's good.

988
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: Well, Fighter Coach interviews ever be added to audio. Would

989
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: love to have the interviews be available on podcast app.

990
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: I think that they want to you're asking about like

991
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: when BC or whoever else we interview someone. Obviously it's

992
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: usually BC who does the interviewing with those that can

993
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: get converted over to audio in the podcast feed, I

994
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: think that they want to do that. I don't know

995
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: exactly how they want to do that, because sometimes I'll

996
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: have like three interviews in a day, I don't think

997
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 1: they want to pump out all three, but I do

998
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: know that there are cases where they want to do that,

999
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: so we'll see. I did not hear what Teddy Atlas

1000
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 1: had to say about Showtime. They said they make boring

1001
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: main events, don't match make fights properly. I don't have

1002
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: to hear what he had to say. Also, you know,

1003
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: I think you can be criticism of any promoter in

1004
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: any broadcast situation. None of them are perfect, including Showtime.

1005
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: But you know what they've done for the one twenty

1006
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: two division in the boxing side of things, pretty legit

1007
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: have Dana White, And this is a good question if

1008
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: Danna Whit and the UFC finally got rid of the

1009
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: so called MMA reporters that may challenge him on unpopular

1010
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: topics like fighter pay and kept the yes men around,

1011
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 1: and this person includes John Morgan and Schmo as yes men.

1012
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know that I necessarily share that characterization,

1013
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: but what I would say is, yeah, I think to

1014
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: a large extent the game has changed a little bit,

1015
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: which I'll explain a second, But yeah, I think that

1016
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who realize and me included.

1017
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: Although I tend to get myself in trouble still a

1018
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: little bit. But listen, you can blame Dana White and

1019
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 1: the UFC for this. Sure, they have undercut reporters who

1020
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: have done things that they don't like. You know, we

1021
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: don't have to go very far looking at John Snowden

1022
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: or Josh Gross or Loretta Hunt or even to this day,

1023
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: obviously Ariel has had a lot of struggles with him

1024
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: as well. I seem to have not had as many

1025
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: of them, but I don't, you know, from day one,

1026
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: I know the only thing I've ever asked of them

1027
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: was the occasional credential. And even then I do that

1028
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: pretty I think I've been to what one UFC show

1029
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: this year? Two? Maybe I went to the one in July.

1030
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 2: That's it.

1031
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: That's what I've been to. And the one before that

1032
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: was when Trump was at the BMF fight. Like, I

1033
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: don't go very often, and I don't stay very often,

1034
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: like they don't. I don't. I don't really need to

1035
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: go to those things for the most part. I mean,

1036
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, my work wants to send me, but I

1037
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: don't really it doesn't you guys know my view, Like

1038
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: I want to have a world where if everyone takes

1039
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: everything away from me. They can only take the minimalist

1040
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: of things because I still have control over all these

1041
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: other parts. So I've always operated that way, and I

1042
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 1: don't live with the same kind of worries.

1043
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: I think that some of my peers.

1044
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: Might who have had some issues with that, But you know,

1045
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: do I think that, I mean the problem? Understand the

1046
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: problem here, The real problem. The real problem is not UFC,

1047
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: although again, you know, we can sort of point to

1048
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 1: a history of pressure that they've put on various media institutions.

1049
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: The problem is the media institutions. Make that very clear

1050
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 1: because whatever the organization wants, this one, by the way,

1051
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: strike force whenever back around. I can't tell you how

1052
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: many angry, irate calls I used to get from them

1053
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: them being fucking super pissed at my coverage. Like UFC

1054
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: an't the only one, obviously. Now they're a much bigger

1055
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: player than they ever were, another biggest player in the space.

1056
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: But here's my point, dude, they don't hire the overwhelming

1057
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: majority of people they do not hire to do like

1058
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: actual hard hitting, fucking journalism. We're like, we're gonna find

1059
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 1: out what these managers have done. We're gonna find out,

1060
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: you know, and we're gonna print the most unflattering things

1061
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: like real advise adversarial shit like that doesn't exist. They're

1062
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: not they're not hired for that. They're hired to cover

1063
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: the sport nominally, keep up with happening, with the fights

1064
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah blah blah, and uh, you know,

1065
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: everyone reaches sort of this happy little ecosystem. That's what

1066
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: they if they're understand something. If you're going to have

1067
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: if you're if you're a media institution and you're going

1068
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: to hire combat sports reporters, you need them to have

1069
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: a return on your investment, right, so they have to

1070
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: generate enough traffic and or you know, ad dollars or

1071
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: whatever they have to make it worth the while. It's

1072
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: not like where it used to be, where we're going

1073
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: to just have as a newspaper. We're going to have

1074
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: a bureau chief in Moscow and will afford it by

1075
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: selling classified ads, and so we can make this journalist

1076
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: ignition about what it needs to be, not about what

1077
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: we can reasonably afford. That calculus doesn't exist anymore. The

1078
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: common calculus is, hey, we're going to hire these people,

1079
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: they need to be generating the kinds of things that

1080
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, we want the kinds of returns we want

1081
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: to see financially and otherwise.

1082
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 2: And so.

1083
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: It's why I think you've seen a turn towards personality

1084
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: driven stuff, which, by the way, I've done almost all

1085
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: of that. It's why I think you've seen a turn

1086
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: towards some of them have been less spoken out. I

1087
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: think you can still be spoken or outspoken without too

1088
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: much of an issue. But just to be clear, dude,

1089
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: this starts with what they are empowered to do. They

1090
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: are not there empowered for the most part. There are

1091
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: exceptions everywhere, great ones, and they do great work, but

1092
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: in general, in general, they are not hired to do

1093
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: journalism in the way that you might imagine to challenge

1094
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: danea or whatever. They're hired to sort of make yourself

1095
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: go to shows or whatever it is.

1096
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: That you do.

1097
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: Usually it typically involves going to shows enough that you

1098
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: can collect videos and interviews and stories enough such as

1099
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: it's worth our while to send you there for you

1100
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: to maintain employment. If you ruffle feathers to the point

1101
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: where you can't do that, you're not you know, unless

1102
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 1: you have some giant following. What use are you of them?

1103
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: Why would they even have a combat sports department for that.

1104
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: So it all starts with them. And if any institution

1105
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,479
Speaker 1: out there boxing otherwise puts pressure on the media outlet,

1106
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: you'll see the media outlet.

1107
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 2: I've just lived through this.

1108
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: I've seen them bend like that under the slash bit

1109
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: of pressure because they're not really hiring you. Man, They're

1110
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: not hiring you for the most part. Again there are

1111
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: art exceptions, but for the most part, they're not hiring

1112
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: you to.

1113
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 2: You know.

1114
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: Oh, the work is about what the work is. No,

1115
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: the work is about the return on the work. The

1116
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: work is about you know. And you might be like, well,

1117
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: why don't they face some of those same pressures in

1118
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: other leagues? Well, won the NBA is just not And

1119
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: again the UFC is a lot better than you used

1120
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: to do. But the NBA is not really all that

1121
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: hard up about criticism in the same way. They don't

1122
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: really care, I don't think to the same degree individual

1123
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: teams might, but the league as such doesn't. There's there's

1124
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: mandatory protections for some of the media in there. And also, dude,

1125
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: the game is so much bigger and NFL, for example,

1126
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: so much bigger, where by the way you get plenty

1127
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: of conflicts of interests there too. I mean, don't think

1128
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: it's some bastion of journalism. But the point being is, like,

1129
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: it's a lot easier to get a return on covering

1130
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: the NBA than it is in combat sports. It's just

1131
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: a lot easier. It's significantly easier, and so you can

1132
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: have a little bit more. But like if the league,

1133
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: this is what people don't realize. If the NBA came

1134
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: down and started hammering people, I guess they'd be blowback

1135
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: and it'd be a little too hard to do. But

1136
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: in theory, do I think that almost any almost not everyone,

1137
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: but almost any media institution would bend to accommodate the league.

1138
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 2: I do.

1139
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: They just don't. And UFC has over time exerted some

1140
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: pressure for covers they didn't like, and I think the

1141
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: media institutions took their heels and went, you know, snapped

1142
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: them together as quick as they could. I'm trying to

1143
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: fix here we go. Great question, what is the best

1144
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: way for Belatore to leverage Joel's remaining years of competition? Well,

1145
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, said to some morning combat I'll

1146
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: say it here. I don't really understand at all. I

1147
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: don't understand what happened there with that fight. I mean,

1148
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm not knocking it in the sense that you if

1149
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: you're Bellatore, you gave yourself a chance to you know,

1150
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: they put on a legitimate fight. That's a real fight, dude,

1151
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: that's a very tough fight. Like they didn't give They

1152
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: didn't do any favors for Joel whatsoever.

1153
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 2: Like they give him.

1154
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: They gave him maybe the worst matchup possible. Candidly, you know,

1155
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: they gave it to him for three rounds as opposed

1156
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: to five, and they gave him maybe a guy who's

1157
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: taken hardly any damage and is maybe just one of

1158
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: the best managers of risk in modern mma, Like dude,

1159
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: Phil Davis has losses. Okay, he's not the best fighter,

1160
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: but he's never been stopped, never been head kick, knockout,

1161
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: never been punched his lights out, never been submitted. They

1162
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: can only take this guy to the judges then ask

1163
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: the judges to weigh in on it, Like dude, that's

1164
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: very hard to do. If you look at who he

1165
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: has fought, very very hard to do. He has not

1166
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: fought chumps. He's fought very good fighters in UFC and

1167
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: in Bellatore and they gave him that guy for his

1168
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: first fight. Dude, that's you know, you can like, Okay,

1169
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the good parts of that call.

1170
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: One that's just a very relevant two hundred and five

1171
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: pound fight. That's a great way to see exactly where

1172
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: Yoel is at. And it's if you're interested in the

1173
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: Phil Davis business. That built him up probably in the

1174
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: biggest way that any fight has recently. Phil was extraordinarily

1175
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: forgotten for I think a long time here, for last

1176
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: three four years. I don't think folks have necessarily been

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01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: paying attention to what he was doing. Boy, they're paying

1178
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: attention now. That was a big one, you know. So

1179
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: there's there's some good sides to that. So like if

1180
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: folks are like, oh, well, you know, the belt were

1181
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: only puts together, you know, easy fights for folks to win,

1182
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: I mean, they didn't do that shit there whatsoever. On

1183
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: the downside, though, this is the part that I don't understand.

1184
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, you gave him easily the toughest fight

1185
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: you probably, I mean Nemkov would be a tougher fight

1186
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: in the sense that I think Nemkov's their best talent,

1187
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:34,439
Speaker 1: But in terms of like frustrating Yoel into not being

1188
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: able to do a whole lot, because you know Nimkov

1189
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: will slug it out with you in a way that

1190
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: Phil probably won't. So you gave him arguably the toughest

1191
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: fight he could have had at age forty three forty

1192
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: four up a weight class, so that he not only

1193
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: had like a tough time winning, he had a tough

1194
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: time even looking good like due people don't really look that.

1195
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: I mean, Nemkov beat him, but Nemkov didn't like look

1196
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: awesome doing it. Why would you do that for a

1197
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: guy who's a fan favorite, who probably has a relatively

1198
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: short shelf life, who needed maybe a bit of a

1199
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: softer landing after all this time off due to injury

1200
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: in the pandemic and everything else. I didn't understand that. Frankly,

1201
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: I've said as much. I'll say it again. I didn't

1202
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: understand that matchmaking. I thought that was the wrong choice

1203
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: for his first fight back. I felt like, if you

1204
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: want your organization to have credibility, eventually, you got to

1205
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: put on those Yoel versus Phil fights, right, You've got

1206
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: to have the credibility that we challenged people here rightly

1207
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: against some of the world's best. But I think for

1208
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: a guy like Yoel, you have to soft pedal it,

1209
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 1: especially given the time off, to get something of a

1210
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: bit of a tune up. I would have had him

1211
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: fight and glickus and then the winner of that maybe

1212
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: goes on right or just somebody he could beat, quite frankly,

1213
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: and I don't think the fans would have minded. I

1214
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: think that they would have roared an approval over some

1215
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: kind of madic stoppage when he may have gotten because

1216
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: now it's I guess you can go back to that.

1217
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: That's certainly not off the table. But now he started

1218
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: Bellator on the back foot in a pretty big way.

1219
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: Like he didn't just lose, he got taken down five times.

1220
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: If you're trying to promote someone that people should be

1221
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: excited about, that was not the way to do it.

1222
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: I don't think, that's my opinion. I don't work for Belaitour,

1223
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: I don't run Belatore, I don't They don't ask me

1224
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: my opinion.

1225
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 2: Me.

1226
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: Let me be very clear about that. But I didn't

1227
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 1: get that at all. I thought they made a mistake

1228
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: with that. How do you feel about Dana talking mad

1229
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: Ish on Showtime? Is this due to showtime, working with

1230
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: Jake Paul or working with Belatour. Yeah, I mean it's

1231
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: probably all the above, right, So you know, he was

1232
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: complaining that there wasn't security for the Plant versus Canelo

1233
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: face off when they started, which he's right, I mean

1234
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: there should have been. I think it's pretty fair people

1235
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 1: killing Jimmy Lynn and Junior for that's like, dude, what

1236
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: do you want Jimmy to do? Like jim Jimmy is

1237
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit older. He's in great shape,

1238
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 1: but he's a little bit older. And he's the fucking

1239
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: ring announcer, Like why is he going to get in

1240
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: the middle of two guys and there was a lectern

1241
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: in front of him anyway, So okay, yeah, there should

1242
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: have been someone there. That's fine, but a UFC has

1243
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: made the mistake previously before and you know, more to

1244
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: the point, listen, he Diana White and I think Steven Espinosa,

1245
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: who is sort of the head of sports over his showtime,

1246
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 1: have had something of a you know, adversarial relationship since

1247
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: May Withim McGregor, even you know McGregor himself having an

1248
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: adversary relationship with Steven Espinosa. I think that it's just

1249
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: all part of that. Partly, you know, they're airing Bellatour,

1250
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: which is technically on some level competition for UFC. I

1251
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: think they're airing boxing, which is not so much competition

1252
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 1: for UFC. But you know, another player in the combat

1253
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 1: sports space, they had this previous history together where they

1254
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: kind of butted heads a little bit. They had a

1255
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,439
Speaker 1: bit of a you know that they again there should

1256
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: have been security there. I think we can all agree

1257
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 1: at this point after the fact. So you know, any

1258
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 1: chance to kind of stick it to you know, are

1259
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: their arrival as they one's a television network and one isn't.

1260
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: But you know other players in the space who are

1261
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: doing similar things, who you know you want to make

1262
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: sure that everyone knows that you've got the one up

1263
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: on them kind of a thing. It's I think it's

1264
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 1: to be expected. I think as long as showtime as

1265
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 1: doing relevant things, you'll hear them. What you don't hear

1266
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: Dana do is talk about things that are irrelevant.

1267
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 2: And of course being.

1268
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 1: Involved with Jake Paul and Jake Paul making Fighter pay,

1269
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: you know this cause celeb I think it's inevitable that

1270
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: he was going to say something. Frankly, I think that

1271
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: was par for the course, man par for the course,

1272
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: So it doesn't.

1273
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 2: It doesn't.

1274
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: I take it as a sign that Showtime is a

1275
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: doing quite healthy. I think he would only say something

1276
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 1: if they were doing like really really really really bad

1277
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: or really well in a way that you know, somebody

1278
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: he didn't like was doing something well, which is to

1279
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 1: be expected. I mean, Bob Aram tosses Shade and everyone else,

1280
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: like they all do it to each other.

1281
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 2: You know, everyone does it.

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Speaker 1: But you can't argue they're doing quite poorly. You can

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Speaker 1: make complaints about Belatar ratings, that's fine, and some of

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Speaker 1: their boxing ratings I think since the pandemic have been down,

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Speaker 1: although those are steadily coming back over time. But you know,

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Speaker 1: the Jake Paul stuff has been huge business, and they

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Speaker 1: Canelo is gonna fight on November six, Like that's gonna

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Speaker 1: do monster business. So like, you know, what can you say?

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Speaker 1: Funny question about Valentina? How did Holloway drop Volkanowski twice

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Speaker 1: in two rounds and outstrike him through three rounds and

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Speaker 1: still lose? I don't think I could be wrong about this,

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Speaker 1: Let me double check. I don't think that fight metric

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Speaker 1: counts those as actual knockdowns.

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Speaker 2: Did you know that.

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Speaker 1: Let's look at this now, I'm not you guys know

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Speaker 1: I love fight metric like, this is not me in

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Speaker 1: any way, being.

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Speaker 2: Like, can you believe these stats? No one should believe them.

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Speaker 2: Quite the opposite.

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Speaker 1: I think their stats are incredible, but I do wonder

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Speaker 1: if I don't quite understand that. So yeah, so in

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Speaker 1: the Volkanowski fight, over the course of ten rounds, Max

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Speaker 1: Holloway is not credited with a knockdown. I didn't really

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Speaker 1: answer your question, but I do think it it's worth

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Speaker 1: pointing out.

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting question.

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Speaker 1: For all of Ortega's improvements on the feat shown in

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Speaker 1: the Zombie fight, he still relies heavily on the hand fighting,

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Speaker 1: the lead hand fighting as a tool. Since Max, who's

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Speaker 1: overall better at working off of the hand fight, largely

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01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: got punished against Volkanovski for using the same tool, what

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Speaker 1: can or take it do to make sure he doesn't

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Speaker 1: suffer the same fate. That's a great question. I don't

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Speaker 1: really know what his team is going to do. I

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01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: have a feeling that his team is like, if you

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01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 1: just let Volkanovsky get going in the way that he does,

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Speaker 1: you're going to run into just an absolute metric ton

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Speaker 1: of problems. So the question is can you intercept it

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Speaker 1: in a way where you can disrupt it, or can

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Speaker 1: you disrupt it by getting in front of it? That's

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Speaker 1: really the question. That's the operative challenge really that I

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Speaker 1: think Ortega has is this guy once he gets cooking

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01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 1: with this, it's not you might not get stopped or anything,

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01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: but you can't win against that. So how do we

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Speaker 1: disrupt it or how do we stop it before it starts?

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Speaker 1: I leave that to his very capable coaches. We'll do

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Speaker 1: one more. Here's a great one. Why does anyone in

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Speaker 1: MMA care about Dylan Dana? He said two MMA fights

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Speaker 1: and hasn't had a competitive jiu jitsu match in years.

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Speaker 1: He is currently unimportant in the space well two reasons. One,

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Speaker 1: he is famously friends with someone who's maybe the most

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Speaker 1: famous person in our sport. And secondly, for a time

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Speaker 1: he was a very important figure.

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Speaker 2: Dude.

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Speaker 1: I lived through and remember super distinctly when he was

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Speaker 1: part of that Marcella Garcia brown Belt All Star team.

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Speaker 1: He was out there, him, Manchuur Kiara, Jonathan Satava, a

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Speaker 1: bunch of them. I think Matteo's Denise was a brown

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Speaker 1: belt at the time.

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Speaker 2: Too.

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Speaker 1: They had like six or seven of these guys and

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Speaker 1: they were going up to tournaments, and you know, the

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01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: Danner Desk squad was doing their thing too, but they

1344
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: were all exclusively No gie, this was a lot of

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01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: Geese stuff, and dude, Dylan Danis and these guys, they

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01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 1: were wrecking shop on everybody at every turn. You could, dude,

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01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 1: if they were in there competing, you were just guaranteed

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01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 1: if you got five Marcello Garcia brown belt to a

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01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 1: part of that All Star team, all five were going

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01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: to win world titles through brown belt. But then when

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Speaker 1: they got to black belt, things begin to really come

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Speaker 1: apart a little bit. And I don't really understand the

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01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 1: full story obviously. As you guys know, Marcella, booted mancher

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01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 1: Kia and booted Dylan Satava had some success at the

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Speaker 1: black belt level, Denise did really well at the black

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Speaker 1: belt level, and there were some other ones as well.

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01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,639
Speaker 1: So some of the translation from black to brown belt

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01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: was just uneven for a lot of them, which can

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01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 1: be common. That's in no way scandalous, But dude, once

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01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 1: he got to black belt, like I'll never forget this

1361
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: was it. The twenty seventeen eighty ccs, and I say

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01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 1: never forget. I don't remember exactly what year was, but

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Speaker 1: I think it was twenty seventeen. You could argue, yes,

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Speaker 1: because it was the year where where Gordon got gold

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01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 1: and silk, or not gold and gold. You could argue

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01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 1: even though Dylan lost his match, he gave Gordon his

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01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 1: toughest match in any win that he had. But he

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Speaker 1: hasn't won at the black belt level anything meaningful that

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01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 1: I'm aware of. He's not one pan ams, He's not

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Speaker 1: won Nogi Worlds.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if he's won.

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Speaker 1: Any super fights that are of all that impressive. He's

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01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: certainly not won the Muonjials, or the brassel Leiro's or

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Speaker 1: the Euro's or any the various cups that take place

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01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: in Middle Eastern countries in the Gi or No Gi.

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Speaker 1: He has just been something of a celebrity fighter, and

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01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 1: when Connor was hot, he was hot. I actually find

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01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: it kind of interesting that Connor is suffering something of

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Speaker 1: a relative decline, and so is Danis to an extent right,

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01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: both reputationally and obviously he's not even able to get

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01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 1: into the cage. He also is suffering from a knee

1382
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: injury or a leg injury of some kind. Like that's

1383
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 1: weird how their stories are somewhat paralleling each other. But basically,

1384
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 1: like the gimmick has come to an end. You control people,

1385
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 1: not to an end, that's that's silly, but it's influence

1386
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: is waning because you can do all of that under

1387
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 1: basically a couple of conditions. One, you're just really good

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01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 1: at trolling, and he's pretty good at it. He's pretty

1389
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 1: good at it. But the problem is, like even Gordon's

1390
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 1: kind of tiring of it, like, you know, because Gordon

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01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,719
Speaker 1: can call him out, but uh, Dylan has a bigger following,

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01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 1: so Gordon can't get get a response from Dylan. So

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01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:25,560
Speaker 1: even though Gordon would absolutely wipe the floor with him,

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01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 1: he just can't get it. You know, it's not really

1395
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 1: a back and forth in that way. And then the

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01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: other part of it is like you could keep it

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01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 1: going if you also had some wins to back it

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01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: up and you know, some nice moments, but dude're getting

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01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 1: choked out by cops at bars, and then you've got

1400
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 1: you know, a terrible hair dyede job. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: just you know, I interviewed him years ago. Go look

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Speaker 1: at this piece. I think it was twenty fourteen. I

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01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 1: interviewed Dylan Danis before he was even with Connor McGregor,

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01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 1: and I was asking him about the return of the

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01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 1: prominence of the guillotine to mma. I think it was

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01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: called the Rise of the Guillotine something like that, because

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01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: the guillotine had a lot of importance and then people

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01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 1: kind of got used to it, and then there was

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01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: this rejuvenation of it from jiu jitsu and then eventually

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01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: made it its way into mma where they had reconstituted

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01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:15,680
Speaker 1: it with armin and then high elbow and all the

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01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: various iterations they got to make it better. And so

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Speaker 1: I knew Dylan Danis had was really good at the time.

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01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 1: I think he was still a brown bolled at the time,

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01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 1: and I interviewed him because I.

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Speaker 2: Knew who he was.

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01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: And this is long before anybody else had ever heard

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01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 1: of him, or you know, apart from people who would

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01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: just pay attention to competitive jiu jitsu, I should say.

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01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: And he was nice, he was friendly, he was smart,

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01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: you know, although you could tell even then he had

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01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 1: ambitions on like attention because he was like, hey, dude,

1423
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 1: what do I have to do to get on mma?

1424
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 1: Hour with Ariel, and I'm like, I don't fucking know.

1425
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 1: Ask Ariel, like kind of a question is that I

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01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 1: don't fucking know. So you could tell he had designs

1427
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: on getting bigger. But you know, when your coach kicks

1428
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,040
Speaker 1: you out and the guy who you were kind of

1429
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: attached to suffering a relative decline and you're injured and

1430
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,759
Speaker 1: you haven't competed, and you're just kind of out there trolling,

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01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 1: and it doesn't it loses it's appealbal over time.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 1: To say he is unimportant, I think is a little

1434
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:17,600
Speaker 1: bit strong. But to say that he has outlived or

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01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 1: outstripped the curiosity due to the fact that nothing in

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01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 1: real life ever seems to match it, I think that

1437
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:28,719
Speaker 1: has begun the reconciliation process.

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01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, we got to get out of here.

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01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 2: So let's do this.

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01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: Subscribe even here to Morning Combat, even though this won't

1441
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: be here anymore, because if you missed, if you missed

1442
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 1: the message at the beginning of the video here, yes,

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01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 1: the live chat is coming back. It's coming back to

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01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: my personal channel. I will continue, but it will no

1445
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 1: longer be here, but we have things replacing it. We

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01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 1: will announce either tomorrow or Monday. I'm not sure which,

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Speaker 1: the first of which we actually will be here on Monday.

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna like it. You're gonna be happy

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Speaker 1: with it. Okay, all right, thank you guys so much

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01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 1: for watching. I appreciate it. If you want the live

1451
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 1: chat in the future, go to my personal channel YouTube

1452
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: dot com slash Luke Thomas because until then, you bitches

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Speaker 1: are gonna have to stay Frosty.