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Speaker 1: have to worry about connecting his volume. That's right. And
Speaker 1: I had to switch seats, but I've got all this
Speaker 1: plexiglass in front of me. I feel like I'm at
Speaker 1: a hockey game. I have to wear pants. So yeah,
Speaker 1: oh no, Ma, it's wet, but it looks good. You
Speaker 1: guys look good. Everybody looks the same cowboys share on
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Speaker 1: grab the golf shirt and put it on. And here
Speaker 1: we are. Man, there's a bunch of guys around here. Man,
Speaker 1: we'ren't not that vain. So yeah, to talk about on
Speaker 1: this edition to Mix show, I think we got a
Speaker 1: bunch of you played the draft, some of the picks.
Speaker 1: What you like, what you didn't like? Let you know
Speaker 1: how let you know how bad my pick was with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Well we found out a little more about that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that you had a bad pick. There he
Speaker 1: had an issue apparently. Yeah, that made him had a
Speaker 1: medical issue. Yeah, a medical issue that apparently. Who did
Speaker 1: he go to Cleveland? Yes, I believe so, Yes he
Speaker 1: did Cleveland. They got to the bottom of it and
Speaker 1: he got cleared in time to be drafted in the
Speaker 1: second round. You know, of course we're caught talking about
Speaker 1: jok Jeremiah Usu Coromoau and as we go forth in
Speaker 1: the career of one Kelvin Joseph, the Cowboys second round pick,
Speaker 1: the cornerback, will be also charting what jok does with
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns in his career. That's one of the
Speaker 1: great things. Well he should do. Well, that's a nice
Speaker 1: young team there. I think he'll fit in real good. Then, yeah, Hill,
Speaker 1: and we'll get rid of the elephant in the room
Speaker 1: right now, because Mike pick was their pick about that.
Speaker 1: In fact, in fact, Mickey ever since he saw that
Speaker 1: first Highlight film, Mickey, because he's so busy during the season,
Speaker 1: doesn't look at any of these guys. And I was
Speaker 1: kind of like that this year. The college season was
Speaker 1: so disjointed that I wasn't paying that close of attention.
Speaker 1: And so as soon as as soon as the Cowboys
Speaker 1: season was over, I think Mickey got on YouTube and
Speaker 1: that he had heard about this Michael Parsons character and
Speaker 1: he said he immediately said, well, I got my pick
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys sure enough. Yeah, I wanted to see
Speaker 1: somebody else that showed up better than this guy, because
Speaker 1: he was the best defensive player in the draft and
Speaker 1: most versatile. You know, they keep showing the uh, the
Speaker 1: highlights from this this Memphis game at AT and T
Speaker 1: Stadium the Cotton Bowl, Right, but I saw highlights against
Speaker 1: other teams, like the Big ten teams, and he's just
Speaker 1: so instinctive and so versatile and so big and fast flooding,
Speaker 1: and it's like he had fourteen tackles in that game,
Speaker 1: two for losses. He had a couple of sacks, he
Speaker 1: had a forced fumble, a pass broken up, and they
Speaker 1: still score thirty some points, I guess and stated they really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like a fifty three thirty nine game or
Speaker 1: something like that. Fifty three. I mean if you look
Speaker 1: at all of his games, they all look just like this, right,
Speaker 1: I mean they all look like this. To where he's
Speaker 1: making tackles for losses, it seems as if he intimidates
Speaker 1: the opponent as he approaches them, because his aggressiveness is
Speaker 1: so quick. It's so fast, it's in your face and
Speaker 1: before you know it, you know, you're like a deer
Speaker 1: in headlights and they just stand there and he takes
Speaker 1: them down so quickly. It's not like he hash he
Speaker 1: sizes them up or anything like that. No, he goes
Speaker 1: directly for it. He's heat seeking. I think he said,
Speaker 1: did the water boy, Yeah, seaball go to ball and
Speaker 1: something like that, and that's pretty much how he does it.
Speaker 1: He looks like water boy out there, and I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what, when you see him in person, he doesn't
Speaker 1: look that big. But they he measured six to three
Speaker 1: and a half two forty six and three six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and see that's where it comes from that not only
Speaker 1: does he have speed, it's controlled speed. It's not like
Speaker 1: he's just out of control. They had a lot of
Speaker 1: criticism about j Ok in regards that in space sometimes
Speaker 1: he is out of control. He's going so fast for
Speaker 1: it that he misses a lot of tackles. Parsons doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily have that critique because he's more of a sure
Speaker 1: tackler and he approaches at just the right angle and
Speaker 1: he approaches it quickly. And that's what I like about Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I didn't know if he was that instinctive or
Speaker 1: if he prepared so well that he was seeing in
Speaker 1: things ahead of time. And I think the answer I
Speaker 1: got was he's pretty instinctive, which is a good trade, right, uh.
Speaker 1: And I thought he handled himself well. And the press
Speaker 1: conference hit seems to have a nice personality. Sound like
Speaker 1: he was pretty family. Pretty funny about the family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they can move here, but they didn't get in my address.
Speaker 1: And they're all cowboy fans bugging the heck out Jammy Jones.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they came in here, a dad and one
Speaker 1: of his brothers, and they were walking through like they
Speaker 1: owned the place. Do an interview. Hey, this is where
Speaker 1: we belong. We've been like they could see this a
Speaker 1: long time ago, uh, in the in the future, because
Speaker 1: they were cowboy fans all the way living in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: That's true cowboy fans. When you're cowboy fans in Pennsylvania. Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely so. Uh, you know everybody I know, everybody wanted
Speaker 1: a corner. I get it. They were gone. And I
Speaker 1: heard somebody say, oh when the two corners went, the
Speaker 1: cowboys just got discombobulated. They did not They had planned
Speaker 1: ahead what was going to take place if the two
Speaker 1: corners had been gone, And Stephen Jones talked about it,
Speaker 1: how they went through scenarios. If they're gone, then what
Speaker 1: are we gonna do? They and they knew what they
Speaker 1: were going to do. They were so prepared that they
Speaker 1: were able to trade down and pick up an extra
Speaker 1: third round pick and still get their guy because they
Speaker 1: were they were prepared enough to know what the Giants
Speaker 1: were looking for. What the Giants roster looked like. They
Speaker 1: have a middle linebacker. They're not going to be interested
Speaker 1: in Parsons. They need to improve their offense, which is
Speaker 1: what that they've wind up trading down and they picked
Speaker 1: up a future first round pick. They got Kadarius Tony
Speaker 1: at number twenty, a wide receiver, and then they knew
Speaker 1: the Eagles were coming up for a wide receiver because
Speaker 1: they were desperate for a wide receiver. And they knew
Speaker 1: that if with Davante Smith, you know he was, he
Speaker 1: was going to either play for the Giants or the Eagles.
Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly, And that's why this this whole thing
Speaker 1: is so nineteen eighties. Oh, you traded with a team
Speaker 1: from the NFC East, and you gave them divine and
Speaker 1: as one of the two was gonna get as Davante Smith,
Speaker 1: And as it turned out, the Eagles were gonna get
Speaker 1: Davante Smith because the Bears were still going to trade
Speaker 1: up with the Giants and they were going to trade
Speaker 1: down because they were offering a first round to pick.
Speaker 1: And I think that and I'm sure the Cowboys had
Speaker 1: that same offer from the Bears, but I think it
Speaker 1: was prudent on the Cowboys part to go ahead and
Speaker 1: get Michael Parsons because you're trading down to twenty and
Speaker 1: you're not getting the same type player. And then this
Speaker 1: notion that they should have traded up, Well, the two
Speaker 1: teams behead them. That's who they were gonna take. They're
Speaker 1: not going to trade with you because you gotta come
Speaker 1: clean and say, okay, what do you want. Oh, that's
Speaker 1: who we're taking. We're not interested. So you couldn't trade
Speaker 1: up with any either of those two teams, and probably
Speaker 1: to go above both of them, you were going to
Speaker 1: give up a third round pick, if not more right,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised as a second round pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just like you did when you went up for to
Speaker 1: get mole Born. I just I just wasn't in the
Speaker 1: in the same area code. In regards to drafting a cornerback,
Speaker 1: I would have been pretty upset. It would have been
Speaker 1: another insurrection at a Star. That would have been a
Speaker 1: one man insurrection. I would have been up to the cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: Didn't want a cornerback. Cornerback did not want a cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there with Brad Sham. I was at a
Speaker 1: draft party. I'm sitting there with Brad Sham. Hadn't seen
Speaker 1: in a while, so great to talk to him. And
Speaker 1: of course, you know Brad, he's kind of like Spags.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've seen so much, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be surprised by anything. As much as
Speaker 1: he wanted Parsons, just like you wanted Parsons. He was
Speaker 1: pretty realistic about the Cowboys might take Slater, you know,
Speaker 1: when it was left there, He's like, well, we might
Speaker 1: take Slater, and I'm just I mean, like, man, why
Speaker 1: would we take Slater? We need somebody to stop him.
Speaker 1: Slater can't stop the run. And of course he's being
Speaker 1: you know, just being like like like you guys, you know,
Speaker 1: very very matter of fact about it, and I was not.
Speaker 1: I would not have been happy if we would have
Speaker 1: chosen or ten. I just wouldn't the corner the cornerback
Speaker 1: now would not be having or or or the offensive.
Speaker 1: That's not what we needed. This is what we needed.
Speaker 1: This is the kind of guy we need on this team.
Speaker 1: Let's face it, quarterback is always the leader of the team.
Speaker 1: But mostly the leader of the offense. A good strong uh,
Speaker 1: just a capable middle linebacker that's the leader of the defense.
Speaker 1: Well in making you hit on it, in the way
Speaker 1: he handled himself at the press conference and so forth.
Speaker 1: He just has a confident swagger about him. You know,
Speaker 1: he walks into the room and you can tell that
Speaker 1: he's not you know, in his interviews he's not real outspoken,
Speaker 1: but just watching him converse with people, he was kind
Speaker 1: of like that. He was kind of the alpha personality
Speaker 1: in the room when he when he walked in, and
Speaker 1: I want somebody like that. I can see it taking
Speaker 1: it to the nth degree. When he's in the locker room.
Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna be walking in that locker room
Speaker 1: and you're gonna you know, oh, that's the first round
Speaker 1: draft pick. That just walk and you're gonna know that's
Speaker 1: the middle linebacker. That's what you're gonna know, because he's
Speaker 1: not gonna be sitting there talking back about being in
Speaker 1: a zen moment after a game after we got run
Speaker 1: off of like three hundred plus yards, you know, talking
Speaker 1: about where he is in life and the cosmos and
Speaker 1: all that. No, I want to dude, and this this
Speaker 1: is just me. I like middle linebackers who are intelligence
Speaker 1: and instinctive. But I don't want to be too smart,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to I want to be you know.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be able to say, look, I'm hey,
Speaker 1: go run through that wall. All right, I'm gonna run
Speaker 1: through that wall. I don't want to be like, well
Speaker 1: let me see what what material is that? No, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I want to know. I want a
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna be like, you know what, don't ask
Speaker 1: me to do it. I'm gonna do it, and I
Speaker 1: want you guys to follow me. That's to kind of
Speaker 1: dude he is, you know what he's gonna He's gonna
Speaker 1: be the best interview on the team too. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you gotta watch the PRP. They're gonna have to watch
Speaker 1: what he says sometimes because he keeps it real. I mean,
Speaker 1: he doesn't put on any airs when he when he talks,
Speaker 1: you know, he but he he says whatever's on his mind.
Speaker 1: And that's that's that's they need that. They need it.
Speaker 1: It's almost like you know how a quarterback usually everybody
Speaker 1: kind of gravitates. They're gonna gravitate to this. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm talking right, they will gravitate and we're gonna be
Speaker 1: apologizing for him. I'd love to do that, just apologize
Speaker 1: focus he's gonna say something crazy, I'm gonna do something crazy.
Speaker 1: I love it. That's what and the beauty of his
Speaker 1: he's versatile. So you know, they've talked about him being
Speaker 1: like a designated pass rusher too. So if you got
Speaker 1: multiple linebackers on the field, you don't know what that
Speaker 1: guy's responsibility is gonna be. He can drop into coverage,
Speaker 1: he can rush the quarterback, he can spy the quarterback,
Speaker 1: you know, and and if it's a passing down, he
Speaker 1: can still play the run. Right. Hey, you heard dan Quinn, right,
Speaker 1: he heard him talk about we're gonna We're not a
Speaker 1: three four, but we're gonna it's gonna look look at times,
Speaker 1: will look like a three four. They can have a
Speaker 1: package out there, even in their base defense. They could
Speaker 1: have a package out there with the skill set that
Speaker 1: both these rookie linebackers have, Jail Cox as well as
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons, where you can have all four of those
Speaker 1: linebackers on the field at the same time. I mean,
Speaker 1: Parsons could play any linebacker spot. Jabril Cox he's he
Speaker 1: is best on the outside, okays me and Jail Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: So you could have you could run a three four
Speaker 1: and have Layton and Jaylen in the middle. Or you
Speaker 1: can have Lton, Layton and Parsons in the middle and
Speaker 1: you can have Jaalen on one side and Cox on
Speaker 1: the other side. You really could. That might mean the
Speaker 1: best defense they put out there. And then and then
Speaker 1: just keep Layton Vanderish healthy. Yeah, and this will be
Speaker 1: the best linebacking corps they've had as a group in
Speaker 1: quite some time. And and and everybody said, well, linebacker
Speaker 1: gonna win a game for you. These guys can win
Speaker 1: a game from the linebacker position. Of course you can't.
Speaker 1: And and and you know, and hopefully that the dump
Speaker 1: truck that they drafted to play the nose tackle at
Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty pounds Bohannah keeps some people off
Speaker 1: of those guys. That's what Randy White has always said,
Speaker 1: because for years they did uh pregame show on CBS
Speaker 1: eleven with the Manster, and he always said, what we
Speaker 1: need is that big bazooka in the middle. I don't
Speaker 1: understand why we don't get that big bazooka in him
Speaker 1: in the middle, and they got the big bazook That's
Speaker 1: what he Quinton Bohan, is there a big bazooka in
Speaker 1: the middle. Hopefully he can play right? Yeah, well, no
Speaker 1: being big. I think he just hasked to stand just
Speaker 1: stand there. Did you question? Did you did you? I
Speaker 1: thought they were getting that with Don Perry Poe. Did
Speaker 1: you catch what Quinn had to say about him when
Speaker 1: he talked about him Saturday night when he came in
Speaker 1: for his interview and they asked somebody asked him about that.
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, he goes, you know, and I think
Speaker 1: the guy can, we can He's versa put him on
Speaker 1: the edge, and there was this silence. He goes, okay, kiddy.
Speaker 1: He he goes, he's a nose tacker, and he goes,
Speaker 1: sometimes he's gonna play right here, meaning over the center,
Speaker 1: and he said, are the times he's gonna play right
Speaker 1: here right? You know? And then the good thing is
Speaker 1: is they did draft a couple of guys to play inside,
Speaker 1: veteran guys that can hold down the fort and maybe
Speaker 1: till some of these young guys are ready to go
Speaker 1: uh and but not at linebacker, because this guy is
Speaker 1: gonna be ready to go. Uh and and and and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. And even I saw Rich Dalrymple
Speaker 1: Cowboys pr director was taking him somewhere I don't know,
Speaker 1: and I was walking behind him, and and it was
Speaker 1: like he was talking to Rich like they had been
Speaker 1: best friends, like you know they It just came so
Speaker 1: easy to him. Um So, yeah, can't wait to get well.
Speaker 1: And you look back in his history. I know we've
Speaker 1: we've said ever since Jalen's been here, because he's he's
Speaker 1: a player that's best going forward that okay rushing you know,
Speaker 1: play him at rush in and they've used him on
Speaker 1: the line at times a lot of times, like as
Speaker 1: an inside rusher or whatever, but he hasn't worked at it.
Speaker 1: He's not you know, Parsons has it in his background,
Speaker 1: that's an edge rusher, going back to eighth grade, well
Speaker 1: even before eighth grade, probably defense a difference of exactly.
Speaker 1: And when he went to Penn State, they recruited him
Speaker 1: and he thought he was going to be an edge
Speaker 1: rusher and then moved him to linebacker. Everson, remember what
Speaker 1: you were doing in eighth grade? Really, I don't think
Speaker 1: I think I was at Richardson Junior High which does
Speaker 1: not exist anymore, and you weren't, and but you it
Speaker 1: fed into Burtner High School. Yes, Okay, Now, in Texas,
Speaker 1: an eighth grader can't play varsity football. But if but
Speaker 1: if if an eighth wanted me, but I was My
Speaker 1: mom said, though, Hey, if an eighth grader could play
Speaker 1: varsity football in Texas, would you have played on the varsity?
Speaker 1: What what level would you have played on? Asn't if
Speaker 1: I just considered if they considered me playing varsity, I'm
Speaker 1: playing varsity. You would love to play varsity? Would want
Speaker 1: to play varsity? I mean, would they would? Would you
Speaker 1: have made the varsity if they considered me on a
Speaker 1: confident he'd have been playing? Yeah, play varsity basketball, definitely,
Speaker 1: that would have been. Michael Parsons started on the varsity
Speaker 1: as an eighth grader in Pennsylvania. You're lying, No, he
Speaker 1: started on the varsity. He put up big numbers. He
Speaker 1: had as a freshman in high school, he had like
Speaker 1: eighteen and a half sacks. And then he transferred to
Speaker 1: Harrisburg High School, one of the high school man and
Speaker 1: then by the time he was a senior, he was
Speaker 1: a running back and a Defenson saw that so nobody
Speaker 1: wanted to tackle it. Yeah, running back. He's my personal
Speaker 1: protector on the punt team because we're gonna snap him
Speaker 1: the ball. Interesting interested, don't don't. Don't start being SPACs,
Speaker 1: like like the NFL doesn't know that Fossils got that.
Speaker 1: He never runs trick play on no, never, never ever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we need to slow Fossils down. We need to slow
Speaker 1: him down the U Okay, we'll move on in their
Speaker 1: next segment. We'll move on to the second round pick.
Speaker 1: And I want to get the cornerback. Talking about the
Speaker 1: cornerback there, but how about the way the draft started
Speaker 1: and with the third pick Trey Lance going to San Francisco. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure they were going there. I thought they
Speaker 1: had moved up for me. And that's whatever everyone thought,
Speaker 1: Matt Jon because they didn't let they didn't let anybody
Speaker 1: in their organization know that it was gonna be Trey Lance. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That is an extremely risky pick, you know, but I
Speaker 1: love it. I love it though how much it cost
Speaker 1: him up to get him? Yeah, I mean and the
Speaker 1: first round draft picks and a third or whatever this
Speaker 1: year and then next year three Yeah, he hadn't four
Speaker 1: hundred passes are not three out three hundred and eighteen
Speaker 1: passes in his career and now he's awfully bad, awfully
Speaker 1: athletic though when I saw his OA, but my goodness.
Speaker 1: But the reason I love it is because Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: and John Lynch. Shanahan had the conviction that this guy
Speaker 1: is my guy and they don't care what any of
Speaker 1: the so called experts are saying about it, or anybody
Speaker 1: else in the league are saying about it. This is
Speaker 1: my guy and he's only twenty years old. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have to play this year. Patrick Mahomes didn't play his
Speaker 1: rookie year. I've got a quarterback in Garoppolo that's taking
Speaker 1: our team to the super Bowl. But it's worth this investment.
Speaker 1: I believe in this guy so much that and I
Speaker 1: heard interview with John Lynch and Shanahan. They were, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, back in January. Shanahan a late at night
Speaker 1: called Lynch and said, I'm just mesmerized by this personality.
Speaker 1: Is amazing. Yeah, no, he gives a great interview. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, but he was talking about the film that
Speaker 1: he's watching up and so Lynch said he stayed up
Speaker 1: till two thirty in the morning watching him, and that's
Speaker 1: when they knew they had their guy that was back
Speaker 1: in January, and of course you knew they had someone
Speaker 1: that they had pegged to give up that much that
Speaker 1: I'll just take somebody. Yeah, right again, Hey, And before
Speaker 1: we go to break, since we were on the linebackers,
Speaker 1: let's just clear up this notion that the Cowboys didn't
Speaker 1: pick up Layton Vandersh's fifth year option because they drafted
Speaker 1: these other lightenbackers Parsons and Jabril Cox and there next
Speaker 1: year they're not going to need Layton Vanderish. They didn't
Speaker 1: pick up the option because of the salary cap. They
Speaker 1: were trying to negotiate an extension to decrease his cap
Speaker 1: hit next year, which is nine point one million guaranteed,
Speaker 1: and they felt like, not knowing what the CAP's going
Speaker 1: to be, not knowing what the revenue this year and
Speaker 1: the NFL is going to be, with how many people
Speaker 1: are going to be allowed to go to games, you
Speaker 1: just couldn't afford nine million dollars at that one position
Speaker 1: at linebacker. So they'll continue, and Steven said it, they'll
Speaker 1: continue to try to sign him to an extension to
Speaker 1: lower what that cap hit is next year they want
Speaker 1: Layton Vanders on this team. They want on As Steven said,
Speaker 1: I want him here for four or five more years.
Speaker 1: But we got to be smart on how we structure
Speaker 1: the contract. So that's why it wasn't picked up. It
Speaker 1: didn't have anything to do with who they drafted or
Speaker 1: Layton isn't good enough. And then the other safety thing
Speaker 1: they probably wanted to do is put some roster bonus
Speaker 1: or not roster bonus per game bonuses in there because
Speaker 1: of his injury history, and you can still earn the money,
Speaker 1: but you got to be on the field. So I
Speaker 1: right the way, I'm thinking, Okay, we drafted all these
Speaker 1: linebackers and no telling what we signed. Yeah, afterwards, I
Speaker 1: thought he was out, considering his injuries and things of
Speaker 1: that nature. I thought that the Cowboys had washed the
Speaker 1: hands of him. I mean, I'm kind of glad to
Speaker 1: hear that that they haven't, because of course he's an
Speaker 1: amazing player. I've noted to you guys, just worried about
Speaker 1: that that injury. Worried about the neck injury. I know
Speaker 1: they say it's no big deal, but you know, being
Speaker 1: a linebacker, uh and and you know all the hits
Speaker 1: he's gonna make I was very concerned, and I thought
Speaker 1: they were so concerned that they just said, you know,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna be And you know, he played last year.
Speaker 1: The neck wasn't a problem. And I would have thought
Speaker 1: the problem would have been i'na stick my neck in
Speaker 1: there to make a tack, right am, I putting my
Speaker 1: head in with my helmet. And he really didn't have
Speaker 1: that problem. The problem was he broke his collar bone. Uh.
Speaker 1: And he didn't have an offseason. Right. He was able
Speaker 1: to rehab coming back from the from the next surgery.
Speaker 1: But then you missed the first game, the first game.
Speaker 1: It was the first series, I think. And now you're
Speaker 1: out four or five weeks and now and you're switching
Speaker 1: positions from outside the inside. And I just thought towards
Speaker 1: the end he was starting to get his sea legs
Speaker 1: under him and then he did the ankle thing. Uh.
Speaker 1: So Uh to me, he's the best linebacker on the team,
Speaker 1: you know, And I know Parsons was really good, but
Speaker 1: we ain't seen it seen that. No, Right, that's the truth.
Speaker 1: That's the true statement. And this other sumption, and Bill
Speaker 1: will go to the rest of the draft, is that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys fix their defense by taking eight guys, well,
Speaker 1: all eight aren't going to make this team. I'll guarantee
Speaker 1: you that. Uh. And you would want them to, but
Speaker 1: it's probably not going to happen. And they're not all
Speaker 1: going to go out there and play right away either.
Speaker 1: And they're not all going to go out there and
Speaker 1: play well right away. Play rookies. Not every rookie goes
Speaker 1: out there he gets eleven intercepts. I know, man, it's
Speaker 1: tough thing. Man, that's so high. I'm sorry, just doing
Speaker 1: my job, all right. The cornerback didn't want to draft
Speaker 1: a cornerback. I wonder if he wanted to draft a
Speaker 1: cornerback in the second round. Let's find out. Coming back
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Speaker 1: the Red Sox on Saturday. They had thirty five thousand
Speaker 1: fans in the stands, and I tuned in the Red
Speaker 1: Sox announcers on the game, and the Red Sox announcers
Speaker 1: could not believe that there were thirty five Welcome to Texas.
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Speaker 1: getting beat and he was eight to six or something,
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Speaker 1: like he was having a good time. Um, And they
Speaker 1: the Red Sox announcers not only sounded defeated because the
Speaker 1: Red Sox are getting defeated, but they really sounded defeated
Speaker 1: that there were thirty five thousand fans in the stands.
Speaker 1: And Partner, I don't see very many masks. No, no,
Speaker 1: they keep saying, yeah, mask of mandated. That makes no sense.
Speaker 1: I could always say, well I have a beard. I
Speaker 1: did walk a man with a beard, huh and no mask.
Speaker 1: Well you heard what happened. You heard what happened the
Speaker 1: opener right when they had thirty eight thousand there, And
Speaker 1: I saw the story twice some guy bought a hot
Speaker 1: dog and he held it in his hand for nine
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Speaker 1: by to give me a break. All right, let's move
Speaker 1: to the second round of the draft and the with
Speaker 1: the forty fourth pick, the Dallas Cowboys select Kelvin Joseph
Speaker 1: cornerback from Kentucky. First off, Mickey, do you think that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were trying to trade up in the second round,
Speaker 1: maybe package that extra third round pick that they got
Speaker 1: in the trade with the Eagles to try to move
Speaker 1: up to get a different cornerback. Yes, I think they were.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately that cornerback went first to Jai to Jacksonville, so
Speaker 1: you couldn't have made the trade with Jacksonville, right, And
Speaker 1: I think they were trying to do something with the
Speaker 1: Jets at the second spot, and they just there was
Speaker 1: no sense doing it when Tyson Campbell went after Campbell
Speaker 1: and then I think they were trying again to get
Speaker 1: up and unfortunately Atlanta wanted Richie Grant, the safety from
Speaker 1: Central Florida, so it wasn't from a lack of trying.
Speaker 1: And then they might have I don't know if they
Speaker 1: would have taken the safety in the in the in
Speaker 1: the second round that high at eleven or at twelve.
Speaker 1: But Las Vegas took care of that, right, they took
Speaker 1: how do I say it? Morick? Yeah, So those guys
Speaker 1: went off the board, and it's like, okay, so the
Speaker 1: best uh corner remaining that fit their needs. I know
Speaker 1: everybody talked about Asante Samuel, but they didn't want a
Speaker 1: short corner. Uh so clearly right at the other corners
Speaker 1: that they took. So they it's like, okay, the most value,
Speaker 1: you know, the most talented corner is Kelvin Joseph. Now
Speaker 1: have we vetted him well enough to take care of
Speaker 1: our concerns about his character to make sure it's worth
Speaker 1: taking him at that spot? All right, mister cornerback, what
Speaker 1: do you think of Kelvin Joseph? Oh? I like the pick?
Speaker 1: I really did. I mean when you're looking at h
Speaker 1: Traving Merrick being being taken. First of all, you can't
Speaker 1: have two Travons on the team. That's just one coin
Speaker 1: on one side one the other. That's just it. But
Speaker 1: this guy here is very interesting, very interesting young man.
Speaker 1: You're talking about vatting him. He's very how can I
Speaker 1: put it? Diverse? He has four albums. Have you listened
Speaker 1: to any of his work. I have not listened to
Speaker 1: his work, but dude, you gotta play some ball here.
Speaker 1: You're not you're not into boss man, I'm not into that.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I haven't heard it. Yeah, man, that's why
Speaker 1: I would imagine that's why he transferred so headstrong young man,
Speaker 1: which is good as a cornerback. That's what you gotta have.
Speaker 1: You have to be an individual that seems like what
Speaker 1: he is. And I tell you what, he's not afraid
Speaker 1: of anybody, you know, and most cornerbacks will say that.
Speaker 1: But he has gone up against the best. He's going
Speaker 1: up against high trophy guys. He's going to get against
Speaker 1: guy that at Alabama he's going up against. He's in
Speaker 1: the SEC, which has some of the best wide receivers
Speaker 1: in the country, and he has held his own. He's
Speaker 1: got like I think of five picks, yeahs years last year.
Speaker 1: He does very well on the knockdowns. His coverage is good. Dude,
Speaker 1: line's like a four three four. He said, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously these proteys you got different stop watches on them,
Speaker 1: and there was there were something that had him under
Speaker 1: four three at a four two eight. I think officially
Speaker 1: they had had him down in like a four to
Speaker 1: three four. Yeah, that's that's efficial. Yeah yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's the average. Yeah right. I mean this is that
Speaker 1: you just have to give that guy some kind of love.
Speaker 1: Like I said, he's not afraid of anybody. And that's
Speaker 1: what I like about guys like that. You're talking about side.
Speaker 1: He's only five eleven, you know, which you know, he's
Speaker 1: not a Sante saus junior. But I'm looking at a
Speaker 1: guy a little bit shorter than me, and they've got
Speaker 1: even five eleven and a half. So I say six
Speaker 1: feet there. I know that, and we can give him
Speaker 1: two hundred pounds okay here, it depends on where he
Speaker 1: had to eat that next time. So now I think
Speaker 1: that's a good pick. You need a guy who's been
Speaker 1: through the SEC with some of the best wide receivers
Speaker 1: in the country. Uh, he's always played man the man
Speaker 1: Kentucky had a great defense, I thought when the NCC
Speaker 1: is SEC in regards to how they played, and so
Speaker 1: he played with a good team, he played with a
Speaker 1: good unit, played for I thought, a good coach, and
Speaker 1: you know, I think he's gonna do well here with us.
Speaker 1: They just I like a guy like that who has
Speaker 1: like I said, just like the linebacker. I like a
Speaker 1: guy like that who has some type of individuality. He's
Speaker 1: not just going to toe the line, because at cornerback,
Speaker 1: you gotta do what you gotta do out there. You know,
Speaker 1: you talk about having help and things of that nature,
Speaker 1: and you only hear your name called when you get beat.
Speaker 1: This guy right here, he has that mentality to whether
Speaker 1: you know what they're gonna call my name and not
Speaker 1: just for getting beat. I'm gonna be making play. Does
Speaker 1: it concern you He started his career at LSU suspended
Speaker 1: for the bowl game and then transferred to Florida. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you may take Kentucky. No, no, he drafted Kentucky. But
Speaker 1: you know, guys have their problems. They just better make
Speaker 1: sure somebody gets with him and gets his priority because
Speaker 1: if that, if that doesn't happen in his career. And
Speaker 1: let's say he had the same kind of season at LSU, yeah,
Speaker 1: that he had this year at Kentucky. He's a first
Speaker 1: round He's up there in the in the same equation
Speaker 1: with with the other corners at the top of the draft,
Speaker 1: don't you think, and I mean from a talent standpoint,
Speaker 1: and if you think about it, all issues, not like
Speaker 1: the most strict place in the world, and they basically,
Speaker 1: I think gave him an That's that's the concern there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so that's the concern that And Okay, it's great
Speaker 1: that you, you know, think you have a rapping career,
Speaker 1: but football is gonna pay the bill. Right, You're probably
Speaker 1: not going to make the money that you're gonna make
Speaker 1: in football, So he needs to understand his priority. Mike
Speaker 1: Stoops was really mark stoop Suck was mad at him
Speaker 1: because he opted out the last two games of the
Speaker 1: season and didn't have anything nice to say about him.
Speaker 1: But then after the pro day he basically went on
Speaker 1: record and pointed out that this is one of the
Speaker 1: most talented corners in the draft and he can have
Speaker 1: a long career in the NFL. Now, just got to
Speaker 1: keep himselves straight. And you know, the thing about playing
Speaker 1: in college, you know, he wasn't looking at getting a degree,
Speaker 1: so you know, he was making moves that he thought
Speaker 1: were just good for his own future. But now that
Speaker 1: your future is here, your future is now. He's got
Speaker 1: to realize that, you know, he can do whatever he
Speaker 1: wants in the offseason or whatever that doesn't interfere with
Speaker 1: his offseason work. But this is the time now, no
Speaker 1: distractions with pandemics and things that nature. It's time to
Speaker 1: come here and play football just the way we No
Speaker 1: more opting out. You can't opt out of anything. But
Speaker 1: let's face it, guys, when you opt out your last
Speaker 1: two games the way it was with the pandemic, to me,
Speaker 1: it's no different. And then opting out of a mid
Speaker 1: level bowl game, and that's what a lot of guys
Speaker 1: did too. Right, It's like I got to protect my
Speaker 1: father career and that part I wouldn't put against him
Speaker 1: as long as he will that he did at the
Speaker 1: lsu H, No more of that. And you know, as
Speaker 1: far as his music career is concerned, you know that's
Speaker 1: something that of course he has to realize taking a
Speaker 1: back burning because it ain't paying. Like you're gonna get
Speaker 1: paid by Jerry. You got an extra room at your
Speaker 1: house ever since you can mentor him your guy, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to mention my son. I ain't got im down.
Speaker 1: You know how they talk about a guy that grows
Speaker 1: up in a family where the dad's the coach and
Speaker 1: you're always talking football. We set him to ever sin
Speaker 1: right to learn how to cook because I'm tired to cook.
Speaker 1: All right. Um, there were a couple of other cornerbacks
Speaker 1: or one cornerback late the third round and then another
Speaker 1: cornerback in the seventh round. That the he's going to
Speaker 1: get shifted to safety? Who are six four in height?
Speaker 1: That the obviously linked was a big calling card. And
Speaker 1: he's skinny, skinny three or something like yeah, one three,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. I mean, he better pack them off. Maybe
Speaker 1: he's wireya is that what it is? Skinny guy, He's
Speaker 1: not weak, he's wired. He needs to get in the
Speaker 1: training room, get them protein shakes going. And no one
Speaker 1: was happy about that pick. I mean it was because
Speaker 1: the great that well at all, that's because the experts
Speaker 1: had him as a seventh rounder. Wow, yeah, the experts did.
Speaker 1: But but if then you talk to some of those
Speaker 1: experts and uh, since they were ranking, you know, Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: who had does a great job. He had an unbelievable
Speaker 1: job year round studying it and you know, and Dane,
Speaker 1: you know you can you can't rank them all right,
Speaker 1: third round picks, and he had him. And what happens
Speaker 1: in that whole mock draft community is the others get
Speaker 1: into it in January, and you can't. You don't have
Speaker 1: time enough in your day to go through three hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty prospects. And so if Dane's got him ranked
Speaker 1: three hundredth or whatever, you don't get the and so
Speaker 1: you just did you put him down? Yeah, they haven't
Speaker 1: even looked at him, don't study him. And when you look,
Speaker 1: let's just look at numbers. Here. Okay, you got four
Speaker 1: four to forty at six to four, you're on the
Speaker 1: four four fourty down. That's pretty dog gone good. And
Speaker 1: so if you're talking about being a safety, depending on
Speaker 1: what type of instincts he has, what type of recognition
Speaker 1: he has, you're talking about an extremely rangy young man
Speaker 1: at safety. And I could see that happening. But the
Speaker 1: guy boys, so he Dane had him as the thirty
Speaker 1: eighth rank corner and man mel Kuiper had him as
Speaker 1: forty fourth. So there you go. But you know, but
Speaker 1: it put to its credit when when they he was
Speaker 1: on the draft show House Cowboys dot Com and he
Speaker 1: pointed out, he goes, won't you know sometimes I make
Speaker 1: a mistake. You know, I'm not gonna say the wrong
Speaker 1: He goes, there's only so many guys we can look
Speaker 1: at and you know, maybe I missed it. Not everybody
Speaker 1: else would say that. It's like, oh, what are they doing?
Speaker 1: Here's why at him? And then they don't even look
Speaker 1: at him. They really don't even study this guy. And
Speaker 1: you know, I know Dane does and he might be
Speaker 1: a seventh rounder when he was on the tape from
Speaker 1: from Oregon State, but he's as a six four, one
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty three pounder. They're looking at him as
Speaker 1: a guy that they can develop what it, you know,
Speaker 1: and other teams once you get into the third or
Speaker 1: fourth round, that's kind and that was late third. That
Speaker 1: was basically a fourth round pick. We're talking to the
Speaker 1: ninety nine pick in the draft. That's the sweet spot
Speaker 1: to pick. And the other part of it is they
Speaker 1: were probably In fact, Jerry Jones talked about this at
Speaker 1: the end of the draft on Saturday when they were
Speaker 1: on the clock at ninety nine. They had four picks
Speaker 1: or so four players that they were interested in, and
Speaker 1: Jerry said, as it turned out, we got three of
Speaker 1: the four players whatever. So you so I would assume
Speaker 1: that your Breal Cox was probably one of those guys
Speaker 1: because he was their next pick. Maybe the Josh Ballah
Speaker 1: may have been one of the guys, and so they
Speaker 1: got fortunate where they got other guys that they were
Speaker 1: thinking about at ninety nine. And the other part of
Speaker 1: it is right goes at ninety nine and then there
Speaker 1: was like four cornerbacks that went bang bang bang bang bang.
Speaker 1: Right after that. It was like it was like once
Speaker 1: once other team saw it, Oh wait, that guy went
Speaker 1: and nine, we better get these other guys cornerbacks and
Speaker 1: he's got a dimension. They were looking at the look
Speaker 1: exactly right, that's right, and they're looking for Richard Sherman.
Speaker 1: The kid didn't The kid didn't do his his his post,
Speaker 1: his interview after he was picked, like oh god, I'm shocked.
Speaker 1: He was like, no, I'm getting on the team right now.
Speaker 1: He said, all right, he's a guy from Oakland, I
Speaker 1: believe the Oakland area who he went to City College
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, and then he went to College of
Speaker 1: San Mateo, and then he went to Laney College, which
Speaker 1: is the college that's being featured on what's the name
Speaker 1: of the show, um, Last Chance You, Last Chance, And
Speaker 1: in fact his brother is on that. It was on
Speaker 1: the Last Chance You show that was based at Laney College.
Speaker 1: Whatever and he's now at Oregon State also, so that's
Speaker 1: the road he's taken to get. And then he plays
Speaker 1: for two years at Oregon State and plays well, you know.
Speaker 1: So I love guys that that just don't give up
Speaker 1: because the story's out there. They are all is as
Speaker 1: great as Michael Parson's, even Chancey Gholston or somebody like that.
Speaker 1: How about Richard Sherman. I mean Sherman went to Stanford,
Speaker 1: but he was fifth round man, and he was a
Speaker 1: fifth round draft pick, you know, and so somebody said that, no,
Speaker 1: you can't do it, you know, and by golly, he
Speaker 1: did it. That's right. Someone told Walls he can't do it.
Speaker 1: What round did you go in? Again? I didn't. I
Speaker 1: have been born the raft for decades, and there was
Speaker 1: twelve rounds when he was man. But now let's take
Speaker 1: two days. So yeah, I wonder where where mel kiper
Speaker 1: junior head? You, Oh, don't even start. I'm so mad
Speaker 1: that the draft guys. I only got back into this
Speaker 1: because I had to do my research with from the
Speaker 1: guy wise, I never look at the draft as far
Speaker 1: as I'm concerned. Don't get me started. Cat up there.
Speaker 1: Let's let's move on, all right, we continue with more
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Speaker 1: uh Mickey and Everson's take on the picks of the
Speaker 1: Cowboys made. And we talked about the last third round pick,
Speaker 1: the two defensive lineman that went earlier in the third
Speaker 1: round Osaza. Yeah, Chauncey Gholston from Iowa Odigga Zua, who
Speaker 1: was a three time state champion wrestler in high school heavyweight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and was awfully good. So maybe he can wrestle well.
Speaker 1: As it looks like he's probably tackle defensive tackle, you
Speaker 1: better be able to wrestle well. Plus he's a little
Speaker 1: bit undersized, but three technique yeah yeah, but he's still
Speaker 1: extremely active for a three technique and he talking about
Speaker 1: eleven and a half sackson. I liked the tackles for losses.
Speaker 1: That's what I look for in all of these twenty
Speaker 1: seven tackles for losses. Both of those guys had identical
Speaker 1: old numbers anything and and and that just shows initiative.
Speaker 1: You know, you're not just sitting up there waiting on
Speaker 1: something to happen. You're being aggressive, and that's what I
Speaker 1: like about, especially from a no tackle and you're being
Speaker 1: aggressive like that, you're getting tackles for losses twenty seven
Speaker 1: and a half of them. That's a lot of it's
Speaker 1: it's it's time to get back to playing that way
Speaker 1: up front instead of playing catch, right, And they weren't
Speaker 1: playing catch last year and they didn't catch well. And
Speaker 1: he's not. He's to me, he's not. He knows he's
Speaker 1: not big enough to catch. He's only two eighty two.
Speaker 1: Gotta go, you gotta go, and you gotta move fat,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So his footwork and that
Speaker 1: wrestling uh ability, I think told well for him. Inside
Speaker 1: it's like I can't remember I got a written down
Speaker 1: in here. How many bench reps six one and a half.
Speaker 1: And so he's he's a type of get up under a.
Speaker 1: He looks good, man, He looks good. Doesn't look like
Speaker 1: he had much body fat at all. For somebody two
Speaker 1: hundred eighty two pounds, that's pretty impressive. He ain't twenty
Speaker 1: five bench reps. Yea. His older brother, oh Diggazooa was
Speaker 1: a third round pick of the Giants in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: and he was more of an edge guy. I think
Speaker 1: he had injuries and so he only lasted in the
Speaker 1: league a couple of years, but he was He was
Speaker 1: drafted seventy fourth by the Giants, and No Diggazoo went
Speaker 1: seventy fifth to the Cowboys. Here I saw an interview
Speaker 1: with Jim Mora junior, who was his coach at UCLA
Speaker 1: recruited him to UCLA before he was gone. And Chip
Speaker 1: Kelly came in and he's very high on a Digga Zoo.
Speaker 1: He thinks that he's really going to have a nice
Speaker 1: career and he's and he did say, no, you don't
Speaker 1: want to play him at the nose. You want to
Speaker 1: play him. He thinks that he can develop into a
Speaker 1: three technique and you can even play him on the edge.
Speaker 1: So right, So, and then Chauncey Golston, the kid from Iowa.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at him, and he's the Tyrone
Speaker 1: Crawford replacement. I think, what do you think? Yeah, kind
Speaker 1: of a and he defense high character guy, really highly
Speaker 1: captain guy, you know. Yeah, and uh yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: those two picks. Uh you know, everybody two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy pounds, it's big dude. Yeah. And then I think
Speaker 1: I think the best pick outside of Parsons, the pick
Speaker 1: I like the best in the draft, which J bro Cox,
Speaker 1: the first pick of the fourth round. I think that.
Speaker 1: I mean when you look at him, what he did
Speaker 1: in North Dakota State and then North Dakota State wasn't
Speaker 1: going to play a season, I mean the pandemic. Yet
Speaker 1: he trains first to LSU and he does the exact
Speaker 1: same stuff at LSU that he did at North Dakota State.
Speaker 1: Here talking at that level that he didn't do this
Speaker 1: his three years he started in North Dakota State, they
Speaker 1: won the national championship. So he's got three national championships.
Speaker 1: He he was a graduate, so he could transfer and
Speaker 1: pick up a fifth year at LSU. And you know,
Speaker 1: played well versatile there. Some people you know was like, well,
Speaker 1: you know sometimes against the run, he misses tackles and
Speaker 1: this and that. I like his versatility. Life guy. That's
Speaker 1: the word. And that's what you know. And that's the linebackers.
Speaker 1: You know it did Dick buck Kasara is over. You know,
Speaker 1: you got to be able to drop into coverage and
Speaker 1: you want linebackers that don't have to come off the
Speaker 1: field when you go in your nickel. And because teams
Speaker 1: will say Okay, there, Nickel, Well, let's run. We'll go
Speaker 1: three rides, spread them out and see if the linebackers
Speaker 1: can do it. And again, he's another guy like Parsons
Speaker 1: that if he's on the field, is he playing the run,
Speaker 1: is he dropping into coverage? Is he blitzing? He can
Speaker 1: do with different things. And yeah, and I thought that
Speaker 1: that pick I thought made the Cowboys draft. And if
Speaker 1: that pick didn't make it, then the next guy did.
Speaker 1: The offensive tackle from Marshall Josh Ball. Okay, tell us
Speaker 1: about Josh Ball. Well, let's let's go into it, because
Speaker 1: there was there was the asters next to his name
Speaker 1: why he had to leave Florida's State and it ended
Speaker 1: up being one of these deals where you're a young
Speaker 1: man and you got yourself into trouble with a girlfriend. Uh,
Speaker 1: there was some you know, domestic abuse there that she reported.
Speaker 1: He never got charged with anything, and you know, and
Speaker 1: everybody knows that he got suspended at Florida State, but
Speaker 1: it was by the Judiciary committee, which is the student
Speaker 1: body committee that goes over student conduct. That yeah, and
Speaker 1: when things go wrong, so they suspended him for a year.
Speaker 1: And when it came to the legal part, I guess
Speaker 1: she filed an injunction for him to stay away, and
Speaker 1: he agreed. I think they both agreed to sign for
Speaker 1: UH the injunction to UH to stay away. And he
Speaker 1: ended up transferring to Butler Junior College in Kansas, played
Speaker 1: a year in Florida. State wanted him back. He was
Speaker 1: starting and and the NUE and the Upper War continued,
Speaker 1: and so he thought the best thing was to move
Speaker 1: back to Virginia, closer to his parents. And he went
Speaker 1: to Marshall and all I know is I saw this
Speaker 1: stat on him that in six hundred and eighty seven
Speaker 1: college snap snaps he allowed three sacks. He's six eight
Speaker 1: three ten basically U sixty seven and three eighths. Okay,
Speaker 1: I rounded it off. I took that license rounded up.
Speaker 1: You don't want the six eighth offensive linement though, because
Speaker 1: he's not versaal enough to play card right. He has
Speaker 1: he has thirty five thirty five inch arms. That's the key.
Speaker 1: He was got to measure mine. You know I have
Speaker 1: I need to measure my arms because I have thirty
Speaker 1: six inch sleeves. Is it the same? I don't have
Speaker 1: thirty six in a charm? So so I wonder what shirt?
Speaker 1: What's his shirt size? Does he does it thirty five?
Speaker 1: If you have thirty five inch arms, I don't know
Speaker 1: where they measure it from. I think they measure it
Speaker 1: from like the your back, middle of your back. You
Speaker 1: mean like to show the blame. I'm not sure. So
Speaker 1: how when he buys a shirt does he have to
Speaker 1: get thirty eight inch sleeves? I don't. They don't because
Speaker 1: they don't have them. They barely have thirty six minor
Speaker 1: like thirty three, thirty two. We could get Henry Struck
Speaker 1: down here and he measure it out every Chris Be said,
Speaker 1: we can get Henry Stroka down here and he can
Speaker 1: measure our arms and see I can run into the
Speaker 1: forty two. I don't want my hands. I guess that's
Speaker 1: all I know. I'm pretty, I'm pretty shre have. My
Speaker 1: arm is probably longer than yours. I got what size?
Speaker 1: What size shirt? Do you? I'm same as your thirty
Speaker 1: thirty six? Yeah, I guess I'm a guard. Then did
Speaker 1: do you remember what your hands measured in? I don't
Speaker 1: even call anybody ever measuring my hands. It wasn't gambling.
Speaker 1: Man did not give it to that han people hands
Speaker 1: hands right, That's why you didn't get brought out a
Speaker 1: clock if they're to measure, they tied me by the
Speaker 1: game clock on the on the school break, So so
Speaker 1: I know, right, so I know his his his pass
Speaker 1: came up, his history came up. Obviously. I thought he
Speaker 1: answered the questions, well that you know, I'm moving forward.
Speaker 1: I've put that behind me. I wasn't gonna let that
Speaker 1: stop me. Uh And then the Cowboys, I thought, answered
Speaker 1: it about you know, we we checked into it. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like we just dismissed it. And I think Jerry's
Speaker 1: point was, you know, I always admire somebody that gets
Speaker 1: knocked down like that, makes a mistake and then rectifies
Speaker 1: everything and changes. Uh. So we'll see. But to me,
Speaker 1: if this guy good enough to start at Florida State,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he's good enough to step in here
Speaker 1: and challenged to be the backup swing tackle. He was
Speaker 1: a left tackle. I'm guessing if you can play left tackle,
Speaker 1: y ought to be able to play right tackle. And
Speaker 1: if you look at the Cowboys depth chart at the
Speaker 1: tackle position, I know they signed ty Lusecki, a veteran,
Speaker 1: but this guy's like thirty five going on thirty six,
Speaker 1: local guy from arlington Ville and so you know, and
Speaker 1: then the guys that played last year, Terrence Steele, who
Speaker 1: started a bunch of games, but you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know how how well he played as an undrafted, undrafted rookie.
Speaker 1: And then you've got Brandon Knight and Mitch Hyatt and
Speaker 1: you know none of those guys have been drafted Mickey.
Speaker 1: You know who else was good enough to start at
Speaker 1: Florida State? Who was that Cam Irving? Yes? I know,
Speaker 1: but you know what he ended up playing in the league.
Speaker 1: He was a first round draft. I mean how many
Speaker 1: years He's last year was still seven and somebody signed
Speaker 1: him to a multi year deal. Let's let's be I
Speaker 1: don't know what they were looking at. This is something
Speaker 1: we stop. This is something that we need to be
Speaker 1: concerned about when you talk when you're talking about players
Speaker 1: that have personal issues like ball. Uh, and you're talking
Speaker 1: about this pandemic eavening. Uh. Let's just remember the last
Speaker 1: time we had the pandemic, it was what nineteen eighteen,
Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen. Then what followed that was the Roaring twenties.
Speaker 1: Let's be clear about that. Somebody broke you know, it's
Speaker 1: going crazy, so we not even I remember that we
Speaker 1: could Polish, but we could possibly have a lot of
Speaker 1: problems off the field with a lot of players just
Speaker 1: because and of course, you know, we're just a reflection
Speaker 1: of society itself, as we have a lot of issues
Speaker 1: in society coming off of this. I think the more
Speaker 1: issues we have from other individuals, than we're going to
Speaker 1: have these same proportion of problems in regards to the
Speaker 1: players themselves, because now we're going to be out there
Speaker 1: a lot more and they're gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: problems waiting on you while you're out there. So if
Speaker 1: you already have issues in the past, then you need
Speaker 1: to be very, very careful, and I think the Cowboy
Speaker 1: organization needs to be aware of that because this is
Speaker 1: going to be an unusual year coming back from last
Speaker 1: year's dismal season. I mean, the entire NFL had a
Speaker 1: dismal season, and now all of a sudden we're facing freedom,
Speaker 1: you know, three and last, and now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: people are going to be out there going buck wild,
Speaker 1: and you have to be under control in regards that.
Speaker 1: So you gotta watch yourself, Mickey, don't get out there
Speaker 1: going out right. They're already going wild, right, how many
Speaker 1: thousand people that have Mackey. Who's the Cowboys fourth wide
Speaker 1: receiver right now? I think that's a spot that's up
Speaker 1: for grab. You would probably say Cedric Wilson, Yes, that's
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's solidified. Would say that. And
Speaker 1: then who you like? Who is your m who are
Speaker 1: your top three wide receivers next year? If Michael Gallup
Speaker 1: leaves in free agency, you need one, that's right, That's
Speaker 1: what one of the one of my things. You know,
Speaker 1: we're talking defense, defense, defense in this draft, and one
Speaker 1: of my things is, okay, what about wide receiver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: wide receiver looks great. With your top three, it looks great,
Speaker 1: but there is a need you need to stay ahead
Speaker 1: of the curve on that. And realizing that Gallup's going
Speaker 1: into his last year Cooper's contract where it is you know,
Speaker 1: at some point do you is he going to play
Speaker 1: out the entirety of the contract on a one year
Speaker 1: And Cedric Wilson's the same as Gallup, same draft, And
Speaker 1: and so I thought, as much as the we're harping
Speaker 1: on defense, defense, defense, if there was a wide receiver
Speaker 1: in the third round that you really like, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have minded using one of those third round picks on
Speaker 1: a wide receiver, and you can go back in history
Speaker 1: where it has affected the Cowboys, where they thought they
Speaker 1: were fine at wide receiver. I'll go back to two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. Jordy Nelson is sitting there in the
Speaker 1: second round. Cowboys have two first round picks, Felix Jones
Speaker 1: and Mike Jenkins. Okay, to was on his last legs
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. Whatever we're thinking, I don't need a
Speaker 1: wide receibing. Why would you take a wide receiver with
Speaker 1: one of those late first round picks. Well, Jordy Nelson
Speaker 1: turned out pretty well that two thousand and eight season.
Speaker 1: What happens, the Cowboys wind up have a problem at
Speaker 1: wide receiver and they wind up trading for Roy Williams,
Speaker 1: giving up the two thousand and nine first round draft picks.
Speaker 1: So not only the O eight season things were catapulting,
Speaker 1: but it catapults to the nine draft. Okay, Then fast
Speaker 1: forward to twenty seventeen. Okay. In that draft, Cowboys take
Speaker 1: Taco Charlton in the first round. They take a Cheetao
Speaker 1: Woozier in the in the second. I know they loved
Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster. He was in for a visit whatever,
Speaker 1: he went the pick after Cheetah, Well what happened that year?
Speaker 1: That was Dez's last year and the Cowboys then the
Speaker 1: next year they were so desperate at wide receiver they
Speaker 1: got a trade a first round draft pick to get
Speaker 1: Himari Cooper in there. My point is you have to
Speaker 1: stay ahead of the curve on wide receiver. Hopefully Semi
Speaker 1: Fihoko in the fifth round might be able to be
Speaker 1: one of those guys who can project on down the
Speaker 1: road as being a guy you didn't You didn't like
Speaker 1: that idea that year they were going to have receiver
Speaker 1: by committee, right exactly. That's fine if the committee's good.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, guys, you know, if you don't find
Speaker 1: that third receiver who would be of the caliber of
Speaker 1: a gallop of someone like that, the tight end position
Speaker 1: has to be very prominent, you know. It's something that
Speaker 1: needs to be very important in your game. By the way,
Speaker 1: I saw a jar one out there, he was running running.
Speaker 1: I love that to me. He was my favorite. I
Speaker 1: mean I talked about it. I keep telling everybody about
Speaker 1: Lao Collins. He does his rehab with Dak and would
Speaker 1: ever drills Dak does, not throwing because they're not throwing
Speaker 1: out here, he's doing the same, and he's moving awfully well,
Speaker 1: and he looks like he's lost some weight too, So
Speaker 1: I think that's very encouraging. And I've been told both
Speaker 1: of those guys, Tyrn Smith and Laald Collins, that they're
Speaker 1: counting on them to be right back where they were
Speaker 1: before this. And Jarwin has running just well. And the
Speaker 1: best thing about Jarwin's injury had happened on September twelfth, right,
Speaker 1: not December twelve, you know, so by time they play
Speaker 1: a game, he'll be a full year removed. Right, And
Speaker 1: it was an a c L, Right, it was an
Speaker 1: A and usually acls, uh, they're unless now all not
Speaker 1: all acls are the same. It's not complicated. It's not complicated.
Speaker 1: Then he should be good to go. Well, he's out
Speaker 1: there running now, so I mean he'll be able to
Speaker 1: probably take part in they have OTAs. Yeah, that can
Speaker 1: take a big load off your third receiver, it really can, right,
Speaker 1: it can take a big gallup. Was a third round pick.
Speaker 1: So this guy, I mean, if you read them and
Speaker 1: if you listen to them, none of these guys come
Speaker 1: in here are lacking for confidence. That's true. You know
Speaker 1: where Dame Brugler head Pijoco, where as a third round Betty,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys not even the fifth round. But their Cowboys
Speaker 1: aren't being praised for that. But you know what I
Speaker 1: noticed though it locally and Cowboy fans. It's always going
Speaker 1: to be a complaint on the draft. That's just what
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do. But I saw a couple of
Speaker 1: national things that had the Cowboys in one of the
Speaker 1: best drafts among something. No doubt it's one of the
Speaker 1: best because we answered our needs. That's the main thing.
Speaker 1: Defensive player in the man. You can't beat that. You
Speaker 1: can't beat you can. You can nitpick all you want.
Speaker 1: Somebody doesn't like Jabril Cox, Somebody didn't like somebody else,
Speaker 1: somebody doesn't like the wide receiver. You can pick it
Speaker 1: all you want. I want to see what happens in
Speaker 1: training camp. Yeah, you know, I'm sure when Buffalo signed
Speaker 1: all those great players. The players are the great right
Speaker 1: now on the defensive line, on their defense. I'm sure
Speaker 1: someone I'm playing about one of at least one of
Speaker 1: those picks that Buffalo head. Now they've got like an
Speaker 1: amazing defensive line. So I never heard of any of them,
Speaker 1: you know, until they started kicking out butts, and I
Speaker 1: think that's the way it's going to be here until
Speaker 1: they start bawling on the field. Everybody just shut up
Speaker 1: until they until they showed me and stick those grades
Speaker 1: in your pockets. Now you go, man. That's what I
Speaker 1: wrote today. I said, if you if you graded the
Speaker 1: Cowboys draft on the two linebackers that they ended up
Speaker 1: getting the best one in the draft in the first
Speaker 1: and Jamal Cox in the fourth, they get an A
Speaker 1: Plus's right because those guys, I mean, especially if you're
Speaker 1: playing a base three four defense. Yeah, I mean, and
Speaker 1: you don't know what those guys are doing. That's the
Speaker 1: best part of it. They're they're so versatile that you
Speaker 1: can and that's what dan Quinn talked about, diversatility. And
Speaker 1: see that's what I was gonna say, that versatility with
Speaker 1: all the defensive players we signed, and it wasn't just
Speaker 1: not the d lineman I'm talking about, but the linebackers
Speaker 1: in the second day. If you look at that, we
Speaker 1: can disguise so many things as opposed to coming out
Speaker 1: with the defense that we had last year and we
Speaker 1: had my man Jordan Lewis, who's out there getting trucked
Speaker 1: you know, doing the best he can on path. He's
Speaker 1: getting trucked on the run defense, he man Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: both and we've got guys get in there partles can
Speaker 1: be moved all over. You know, we've got safeties and
Speaker 1: cornerbacks now that can be intertwined. To me, I think
Speaker 1: that's the word I was gonna use. It gave us
Speaker 1: a lot of versatility. And that's how Quinn answered my
Speaker 1: question during this press conference Saturday night when I said,
Speaker 1: you know, have you done enough in the draft and
Speaker 1: in the off season to fix what the cowboys biggest
Speaker 1: problem was last year stopping the run? And he basically said,
Speaker 1: we've got guys that we can have different packages and
Speaker 1: be versatile with our packages and fit to what the
Speaker 1: team's doing. And they'll have time in the off season
Speaker 1: to work on it. And he even mentioned if if, if,
Speaker 1: if a team wants to play two tight ends, we
Speaker 1: should be capable of matching up. If he said, sixty
Speaker 1: percent of the time you're in nickel, we should be
Speaker 1: able to match up now. And so you know, teams
Speaker 1: are going to come out sure, have you learned your lesson? Yeah?
Speaker 1: We will see, Yeah, and they're gonna come out with
Speaker 1: the two coming out with two tight ends, and I
Speaker 1: got a darn safety playing strong side Wabacker. You know,
Speaker 1: now I've got a at least a corner slash safety
Speaker 1: in Kean O'Neil that I could say, okay, you play that.
Speaker 1: We're not even talking about the signs we made right
Speaker 1: outside the draft. And he pointed out the ability of
Speaker 1: Carlos Watts Uh Watkins and Bret Urban, Bret Brett Urban, Uh,
Speaker 1: their ability to kind of big guys to put there
Speaker 1: in the middle. And you see uh, Tristan Hill rehabbing
Speaker 1: moving really well after he tore his acl Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: you get him back, and Neville Gallimore with a year
Speaker 1: of experience under his And I like Kim, of course
Speaker 1: we all do. And I thought at the end of
Speaker 1: the year he had figured it out. Well, it might
Speaker 1: have took him some time. I don't know why, how
Speaker 1: they taught him, but he figured it out towards the
Speaker 1: end of the year. And he's knocked out there playing
Speaker 1: catch anymore. You know the old what was it the
Speaker 1: old TV show that Yo Yo Renny remembered the dog
Speaker 1: you set the dog attack You're Black and White nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty Yes, absolutely, you guys, didn't watch ten. I don't
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. Seriously, Rin Tin ten No, okay,
Speaker 1: yeah watch it. No, but you said Yo n Well
Speaker 1: Yo Renny, I never knew that. Yeah, you're too young,
Speaker 1: Yo Neville, go get him. Okay, I think we're got
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