WEBVTT - Daredevil (2015) Season 1 Rewatch

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<v Speaker 1>Warning.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's episode canday spoilers for season one of Daredevil, which

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<v Speaker 2>originally ed on Netflix but you can currently find on

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<v Speaker 2>Disney Plus.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosy Night, and.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome back the next.

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<v Speaker 2>favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture. Company from Myra Podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>where we're bringing you three episodes every week Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

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<v Speaker 2>plus a news episode on weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>In today's episode, you've been asking for it ever since

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<v Speaker 3>we first began an Xtra Vision many moons ago. In

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<v Speaker 3>this long period of time that we're all living through,

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<v Speaker 3>we are going back to twenty fifteen to the now

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<v Speaker 3>canon Netflix Dead Evil series and we will be recapping

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<v Speaker 3>it and talking about it and digging in in preparation

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<v Speaker 3>for the upcoming sequel series on Disney Plus Dad Evil

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<v Speaker 3>Born Again.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's dive in first some context on Daredevil. The character

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<v Speaker 2>debuted in nineteen sixty four creation of Stan Lee and

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Everett, appearing in It's his own solo title of

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<v Speaker 2>just immediately Off Jump Daredevil Number one. And one thing

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<v Speaker 2>that is immediately clear from reading back to you know

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<v Speaker 2>the original Daredevil runs is how much this is an

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<v Speaker 2>attempt to clone Spider Man.

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<v Speaker 3>Dude, it's so funny, Like they are like, what if

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<v Speaker 3>he's like Spider Man?

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<v Speaker 4>But he's like serious, what if he's Spider Man?

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<v Speaker 3>They like something weird and bad happened to him, Like

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<v Speaker 3>I do.

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<v Speaker 4>I love a street level hero.

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<v Speaker 3>But as we know, it is quite notorious in the

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<v Speaker 3>comic book industry that kind of every ten years Marvel

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<v Speaker 3>will try and remake Spider Man.

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<v Speaker 4>And the most successful version.

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<v Speaker 3>They've had of it is Kamala Khan, where they actually

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<v Speaker 3>created a completely different, completely new street level Haroy that

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<v Speaker 3>people fell for. But yes, that Devil's definitely in that space,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that is why there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>crossover between the characters.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that you find him and Spider Man fighting about.

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<v Speaker 3>But something important about that devil. He's Catholic, Okay, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's gonna.

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<v Speaker 4>Come off for altholic.

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<v Speaker 2>He's very Irish Catholic. The show Daredevil the adaptation was

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<v Speaker 2>released in twenty fifteen on Netflix, uh and it was

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<v Speaker 2>helmed by Showner Or Stephens de Night, who gave us Spartacus.

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<v Speaker 2>The Spartacus television show on Stars.

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<v Speaker 4>The League Gets Stars Network.

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<v Speaker 2>The beleaguered, very much beleaguered. Stars Network and Daredevil immediately

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<v Speaker 2>made an impression on people because of its incredible action scenes,

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<v Speaker 2>including the now iconic one shot Ish Hallway fight from

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<v Speaker 2>episode three of season one. It's fantastic. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>what's so striking about it watching a bag is it's

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<v Speaker 2>like you don't see superheroes get tired.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love that about Matt Murty.

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<v Speaker 4>Yah, he is fucking tied, like he's tired.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm tied halfway.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm halfway through this fight and I am exhaust something else.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that probably really spoke to people, and that

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<v Speaker 3>interestingly that MCU had set people up to take in

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<v Speaker 3>in a way they were maybe more open to after

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<v Speaker 3>the kind of lead into the Avengers movies.

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<v Speaker 4>This is an incredibly slow bun show.

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<v Speaker 3>It sets up a lot of the which have now

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<v Speaker 3>become memes, but a lot of the tropes of a

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<v Speaker 3>prestige TV adaptation of a comic book or a book

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<v Speaker 3>that you love. This man does not get his costume

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<v Speaker 3>till the last episode, Like he doesn't get the dead

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<v Speaker 3>of a costume till the last episode. We don't mean

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<v Speaker 3>Wilson Fisk till the end of episode three properly where

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<v Speaker 3>it's revealed that he is the villain. There is so

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<v Speaker 3>much work and patience that is put into this show,

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<v Speaker 3>and we will talk about how that works good and

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<v Speaker 3>bad as we get into it. But I do think

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<v Speaker 3>that at the time there was nothing else like it.

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<v Speaker 3>I so deeply remember the reactions by friends. It's still

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<v Speaker 3>at the time when Netflix's binge model is seen as.

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<v Speaker 4>A positive thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's also, you know, three years after the Avengers and

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<v Speaker 3>suddenly we're getting to see like, how does a normal

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<v Speaker 3>person deal with living in New York during the Chatari invasion?

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<v Speaker 4>And what I think is really.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting is the MCU and the creators and Drew Goddard

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<v Speaker 3>and Steven st.

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<v Speaker 4>Knight.

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<v Speaker 3>Their response was, well, it would obviously be really hard.

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<v Speaker 3>Here are the tough, working class neighborhoods that have been destroyed.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is really funny because now, almost ten years later,

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<v Speaker 3>we all know thanks to many hilarious TikTok creators and stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>that the way we all see it as like, oh Man,

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<v Speaker 3>like Superman, smash my car again, back all my car insurance,

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<v Speaker 3>Like there's a more comedic read that I think that

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<v Speaker 3>fans enjoy. But it was very different to see a

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<v Speaker 3>show like this that features so many different comic book

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<v Speaker 3>characters and it just plays it entirely serious and straight

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<v Speaker 3>the whole way down.

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<v Speaker 2>Very straight, completely grounded, very very little superpowers in evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>although of course Matt has heightened senses, but you forget

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<v Speaker 2>about them a lot. This show is connected to the

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<v Speaker 2>Wider MCU and was seen as in very interesting ways,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was seen as being something like a farm system.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty thirteen, then CEO and now current CEO again

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<v Speaker 2>Bob Eiger said that, you know, stuff works on Netflix.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote it's quite possible they could become feature films, which

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<v Speaker 2>a Serrando's also echoed, So that was kind of seen

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<v Speaker 2>as the model. Hey, if this hits there, maybe we

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<v Speaker 2>bring them in to the wider MCU, which was then

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<v Speaker 2>reaching of truly frothy boil.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Lobe, who was.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of at the helm of all things Marvel Television

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<v Speaker 2>live action television for a long time, said in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen that quote, within the Marvel universe, there are thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of heroes, but the Avengers are here to save the universe,

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<v Speaker 2>and dared Devil is here just to save your neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 2>It does take place in the Marvel cinematic universe. It's

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<v Speaker 2>all connected, but that doesn't necessarily mean we could look

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<v Speaker 2>up in the sky and see Iron Man. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>different part of New York, but we have not that

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<v Speaker 2>we have not yet seen in the Marvel movies. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Lobe was also you know, running Agents of Shield

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<v Speaker 2>around this time too, which was connected ish.

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<v Speaker 3>And at some point it seemed very connected, but then

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<v Speaker 3>that was kind of pulling and.

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<v Speaker 2>Other times was like nah, yeah, yeah exactly. And then

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty fifteen, Lobe talked about crossovers, whether we'd ever

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<v Speaker 2>see crossovers from MCU to ABC tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>And he basically by that point, which I think is interesting,

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<v Speaker 3>is over those two years, it's gone from yeah, this

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<v Speaker 3>could be a thing that will happen to now kind

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<v Speaker 3>of being like we need to earn it, we don't want.

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<v Speaker 4>To push it, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And he talked about how Captain America doing the crossover

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<v Speaker 3>in Thought two that kind of funny. Loki cameo Bruce

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<v Speaker 3>Banner at the end of Iron Man three, and the

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<v Speaker 3>audience needs to understand who the characters are and what

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<v Speaker 3>the world is before you start co mingling him, is

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<v Speaker 3>what he said, And it's funny because Jeff Loo, as

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<v Speaker 3>much as I hate to give him any credit, he

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<v Speaker 3>was obviously onto something because it took nine years.

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<v Speaker 4>It took nine years. Well, you know, love.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get into this maybe in a different episode later,

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<v Speaker 2>but with Jeff Lobe, the highs are really high and

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<v Speaker 2>the lows are really correct.

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<v Speaker 4>On every level. I think about his own career level.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether it's comics or television, it's it's both.

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<v Speaker 4>The things he gave you, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the greatest Batman's stories you've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>And he also.

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<v Speaker 2>Gave you, you know, the Ultimates three, which is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the worst things that anybody's ever seen. Anyway, let's get

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<v Speaker 2>into Daredevil Season one the recap.

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<v Speaker 1>It opens in a post Battle.

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<v Speaker 2>Of New York World. New York is still recovering from

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<v Speaker 2>the Chatari invasion, and this is the perfect time for

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<v Speaker 2>organized crime gangs in New York to start making moves.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, construction is needed, new investment is needed, New

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<v Speaker 2>money is pouring in government money that.

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<v Speaker 1>Means lots to steal.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's really no one looking out for the little

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<v Speaker 2>guy except for.

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<v Speaker 4>Matt Murdoch uh.

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<v Speaker 2>A blind lawyer by day crime fighter by night, powered

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<v Speaker 2>by heightened senses, and also, as we as he mentions,

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<v Speaker 2>and as many other characters mentioned throughout this season, an

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<v Speaker 2>immensely powerful sense of catholic.

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<v Speaker 4>This man is so guilty at all times.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, his Catholic guilt is so strong, and you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to give him a hug and says, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>it's okay, Matt, You're doing all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt is the son of a former boxer who passed away,

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<v Speaker 2>and he spends his days practicing law with his best

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<v Speaker 2>friend Foggy, defending you know, the poorest inhabitants citizens of

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<v Speaker 2>New York City and mostly his Hell's Kitchen neighborhood, and

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<v Speaker 2>at night he cosplays basically as Batman.

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<v Speaker 3>And just kneels a show people on the streets, people

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<v Speaker 3>in that And this is where immediately you feel like

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<v Speaker 3>something is completely different from everything else you've seen in

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<v Speaker 3>the MCU before and even still really to this day,

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<v Speaker 3>Like the violence in this show is so brutal and so.

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<v Speaker 4>Realistic, and it's much more in that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there's no surprise that they have a world

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<v Speaker 3>famous you know, corridor scene in this because it's very feels,

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<v Speaker 3>very heavily influenced by movies like Old Boy, these kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like revenge thrillers where you are always punching two

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<v Speaker 3>times great, Oh my god, I love that movie. But

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<v Speaker 3>like there's so much anger in every punch that Matt

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<v Speaker 3>packs that he is often going too far and he

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<v Speaker 3>is often fighting too hard, and that is one of

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<v Speaker 3>the things he has to struggle with is what does

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<v Speaker 3>it really mean to be a vigilante who helps people

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<v Speaker 3>or just to be someone who's out there taking out

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<v Speaker 3>your anger and rage on people who are kind of

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<v Speaker 3>trying to survive in the streets.

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<v Speaker 2>Put a pinion that we're going to talk more about

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<v Speaker 2>these actions scenes because they are remarkable and continue to

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<v Speaker 2>be they really do.

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<v Speaker 1>Pre season of Daredevil enter Karen Page.

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<v Speaker 2>She is kind of like a core brit drone working

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<v Speaker 2>in the legal department who finds herself kind of unwinningly

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<v Speaker 2>entangled in this corporate conspiracy involving this business called United Allied.

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<v Speaker 2>She has uncovered some stuff Union excuse me, Union Allied,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's uncovered some stuff kind of unwittingly that turns

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<v Speaker 2>out to be evidence of massive, massive organized crime corruption.

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<v Speaker 2>She is almost framed for murdered, for murdered but then

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<v Speaker 2>almost murdered herself because she has uncovered all but she's

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<v Speaker 2>having a really bad time. But she's saved by Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>both as Daredevil and as a lawyer and as an employer.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt and Foggy take her case, and they also give

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<v Speaker 2>her a job and say, you know, well, we need

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<v Speaker 2>some help at the at the law firm, and also

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<v Speaker 2>Foggy quickly develops a crush on her, and this sets

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<v Speaker 2>off a chain of events that quickly draws the attention

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<v Speaker 2>of numerous organized crime groups throughout the city, including international

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<v Speaker 2>crime groups like the Yakuza and the Triads. And behind

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<v Speaker 2>all of those groups, jostling for power in their own

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<v Speaker 2>little neighborhoods and their own little turf battles, is Wilson Fisk,

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<v Speaker 2>the King Pole. No one is even allowed to say

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<v Speaker 2>this guy's fucking no name. You can't say his name,

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<v Speaker 2>and in fact.

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<v Speaker 3>And how much of a hold he has on New

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<v Speaker 3>York City really even until the final episode of the show,

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<v Speaker 3>which I think is really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>And in fact, we only access him over the early

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<v Speaker 2>episodes through his chief Lieutenant James, who is like the

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<v Speaker 2>guy who goes to talk to the gangs. The point

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<v Speaker 2>person to keep Wilson insulated from everything. Because Wilson, on

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<v Speaker 2>the surface is just a businessman. He's a philanthropist, he's

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<v Speaker 2>an art lover, he's an avid cur he loves culinary guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He loves this guy loves a bottle of wine and

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<v Speaker 2>to be chopping it up in the kitchen. He loves that.

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<v Speaker 2>But what's he doing behind the scenes. He's running the

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<v Speaker 2>ultimate gentrification scam, using organized crime the various groups as

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<v Speaker 2>his kind of like personal real estate development firm in

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<v Speaker 2>order to force inhabitats out of buildings that he intends

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<v Speaker 2>to buy and then flip from major major profits. His

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<v Speaker 2>plan one to control the Hell's kitchen by bribing everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>strong arming landlords, and killing people when necessary to use

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<v Speaker 2>his crime syndicate, which includes multiple organized crime bosses including

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<v Speaker 2>Madam Gow, mystical drug Crumpkin loves loves a hot cup

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<v Speaker 2>of tea Nobu, high ranking yakuza warrior who fights like

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<v Speaker 2>a dark soul's boss, and Leland Owsley, who is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like his money guy, the finance guy. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>he works for Wilson, but he's also got a mind

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<v Speaker 2>of his own to wipe out and he uses these

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<v Speaker 2>people to wipe out all of his competition and basically

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<v Speaker 2>lock down his illegal control of the city, and then

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<v Speaker 2>step three, through his relationship with the beguiling art world

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<v Speaker 2>impresario Vanessa, to launder his public image as just like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like a guy who loves art and fine

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<v Speaker 2>dining and look at my wonderful look at my wonderful

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<v Speaker 2>girlfriend Vanessa, who is on the up and up and

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<v Speaker 2>is well respected in the art world. She would never

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<v Speaker 2>be involved with anything criminal. Therefore, I am clean. Wilson

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<v Speaker 2>fiske love me?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Wilson.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually really loves Vanessa like it, is immediately intrigued by

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<v Speaker 2>her when he meets her at the gallery.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is all going great.

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<v Speaker 2>His plan is all going great, except for the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that there's this quote man in the mask who is

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<v Speaker 2>running around at night beating up all of the organized

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<v Speaker 2>crime henchmen that Goo and Nobu and Owsley and Wilson

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<v Speaker 2>are using to force people out of their homes and

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<v Speaker 2>beat up the common folks. It's annoying at first, but

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<v Speaker 2>it starts to really cut into the profits over time,

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<v Speaker 2>and Wilson is getting increasingly aggravated. Matt, meanwhile, is you know,

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<v Speaker 2>going through all of his various personal problems, giving his

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<v Speaker 2>Catholic guilt. With every single episode, we get various flashbacks

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<v Speaker 2>to how he came to be Daredevil, how he got

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<v Speaker 2>his powers. We meet his mentor, Stick, the irascible blind

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<v Speaker 2>mentor Stick, who is not a nice guy at all,

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<v Speaker 2>but definitely help Matt with some very important things. And

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<v Speaker 2>as this is happening, Matt begins to really take a

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<v Speaker 2>bite into Wilson's criminal organization, and Karen is providing important

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<v Speaker 2>evidence to the muck racking muckraking reporter Ben Urick of

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<v Speaker 2>Union Allied's vast criminal conspiracy and how it involves the police,

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<v Speaker 2>city politicians, and more. Fisk is starting to get really annoyed. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>he's just starting to get really aggravated by all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>He's sick of this. The final domino falls when there's

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of things that happened. First, Leland Owsley and

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<v Speaker 2>Madam gow feeling like, you know what, Wilson is getting

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<v Speaker 2>too His attention is too much on Vanessa Jealous.

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<v Speaker 1>Jealous, stop paying us so much attention.

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<v Speaker 4>I got this any of your business.

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<v Speaker 1>Like treat this woman.

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<v Speaker 3>There's literally multiple liciversations about how they're like maybe to distracted.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting how much this mirrors like sticks advice to

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<v Speaker 2>Matt also where it's like, listen, you can't have anybody

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<v Speaker 2>in your life, you can't have any romantic entanglements.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's like that speech from Heat.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta be You got to be disconnected from everything

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<v Speaker 2>in order to focus on what you need to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's how Gal and leland Owsley feel the I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like listen, Wilson's got like lovey dovey eyes and

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<v Speaker 2>we can't get him to focus on business. So they

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<v Speaker 2>take the extremely unwise path by trying to basically assassinate Vanessa,

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<v Speaker 2>using poison to make it look like someone's trying to

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<v Speaker 2>kill Fisk. Vanessa goes into the hospital, Fisk is enraged,

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<v Speaker 2>he kills land Owsley. This draws the attention of the FEDS,

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<v Speaker 2>and now the heat is really on for Fisk. The

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<v Speaker 2>Feds move in. Fisk is like looking for an escape plan.

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<v Speaker 2>He has a shotgun marriage to Vanessa, Yeah, going on.

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<v Speaker 4>So many good things, and then he's like, I need

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<v Speaker 4>to escape. But in the best.

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<v Speaker 3>Wilson Fisk like Vincent Dinofrio performance of your Lifetime, I

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<v Speaker 3>love you and I say that as someone who knows

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<v Speaker 3>hubs criminal intent. That's one of the best like procedural

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<v Speaker 3>shows out. But you've done your time in many good shows.

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<v Speaker 3>But you are Wilson Fisk, like the man you are

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<v Speaker 3>in this l He's like, I'm Wilson.

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<v Speaker 4>Fisk, and I've got to escape this police fan.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm gonna give like a three minute monologue where

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just telling these guys a story about nothing to

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<v Speaker 3>in my dulcet tones, and they're all listening to me.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's all a.

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<v Speaker 3>Ploy because like every corrupt cop in the whole city

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<v Speaker 3>is coming to break him out. And that's when you

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<v Speaker 3>really realize that, like Wilson Fisk has so many more

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<v Speaker 3>people under his thumb and in his employ than we

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<v Speaker 3>even know. He walks out after a firefight, just straight

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<v Speaker 3>into the street like it's not even an issue. And

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<v Speaker 3>if there wasn't a certain man fueled by Catholic guilt

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<v Speaker 3>and horniness, Matt Murdoch, he would have probably been able

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<v Speaker 3>to escape. But of course they have to have that

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<v Speaker 3>final showdown and it is like so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So the Union allied scheme is collapsed, the Feds

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<v Speaker 2>are on his tail, and Matt Burdock is really mad

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<v Speaker 2>because Kingpin killed ben Urine for revealing all this stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they have a big, big how do you

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<v Speaker 2>do fight in the back alley as Wilson Fisk is

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<v Speaker 2>trying to escape his pehouse and is a brutal, brutal

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<v Speaker 2>fight with Matt finally like applying the couda grass by

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<v Speaker 2>like doing a leaping like action Wilson.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's all red.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's got his He's fully Daredevil now in his

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<v Speaker 2>Daredevil suit, and so the Kingpin is down. He gets

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<v Speaker 2>put under arrest by a cop that Daredevil had helped

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<v Speaker 2>out previously. He was about to arrest. Daredevil is like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>remember when I helped you out? Why don't you just

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<v Speaker 2>forget like I was ever here? Just arrest Wilson Fisk

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<v Speaker 2>and the cop is like fine.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like you're not gonna live very long, my friend, like,

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<v Speaker 3>don't risk you a loud guess guy like come on.

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<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, Vanessa is at the helipad being like, where is

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<v Speaker 2>my love? Where is Wilson? He never shows up, so

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<v Speaker 2>she leaves. Later on, setting up season two, Wilson Fisk

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<v Speaker 2>is in jail. Matt, Foggy and Karen have their new

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<v Speaker 2>offices and they are calling their firm, Nelson and Murdoch.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the speed recap of season one, and let's

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<v Speaker 2>just talk about what we thought. First of all, we

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<v Speaker 2>got to talk because we this is a show that

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<v Speaker 2>is I think it's trademark is its fight scenes. We

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<v Speaker 2>talked about it, and to me, I think what makes

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<v Speaker 2>this so unlike anything else in Marvel even now, is

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that because Matt he has the heightened senses,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's just a guy, a very very well trained guy,

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<v Speaker 2>a peak athlete. You know, if I'm thinking back to

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<v Speaker 2>my Marvel Handbook to the Marvel Universe, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>in the in the Daredevil section, it would say under

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<v Speaker 2>powers and skills like peak endurance and strength of a human.

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<v Speaker 1>Athlete.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's unlike other figures in the MCU who would

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<v Speaker 2>punch a guy and the guy would go flying through

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<v Speaker 2>a window and that would be it. Matt really has

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<v Speaker 2>to put the work in to fight. He does, and

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<v Speaker 2>you feel it. It's visceral when he.

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<v Speaker 3>I do think that the one thing that surprises me

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<v Speaker 3>the most about how long it took them to bring

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<v Speaker 3>Dad Evil to the MCU is that Charlie Cox is

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<v Speaker 3>just one of those generationally great casting. In fact, all

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<v Speaker 3>the casting in this show is fantastic, but when you

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<v Speaker 3>see him, especially early on, it's very rare in the

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<v Speaker 3>MCU and in these big superhero universes that we get

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<v Speaker 3>to see a character in an early version of their

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<v Speaker 3>suit or without a suit.

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<v Speaker 4>When you see him with.

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<v Speaker 3>That really cool man in the mask, like kind of

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<v Speaker 3>black bandana around his eyes, very assic Ninja turtles look,

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<v Speaker 3>and just like his black tight thermals and his boots,

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<v Speaker 3>you're like, wow, this is so different to the kind

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<v Speaker 3>of high military versions of the heroes that we've gotten,

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<v Speaker 3>And it feels realistic that in a world where the

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<v Speaker 3>Avengers are publicly heroes and exist, other people who don't

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<v Speaker 3>have that tech, who don't have this backing of Tony Stark,

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<v Speaker 3>would take this into their own hands.

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<v Speaker 4>And this show.

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<v Speaker 3>Feels like it really deals with what the reality inverted

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<v Speaker 3>commas of that would be. And I think the fights

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<v Speaker 3>are such a great part of that because so much

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<v Speaker 3>of what we saw in the MCU, Like we joke

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<v Speaker 3>about this all the time, the collateral damage is high,

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<v Speaker 3>like the Avengers are killing so many people, but you

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<v Speaker 3>never see what that collateral damage really is.

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<v Speaker 4>Even in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Age of Vulture where they deal I'm in Civil War

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<v Speaker 3>where they deal with it with the Legos explosion and

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<v Speaker 3>what happened there and everything.

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<v Speaker 4>It it does, we don't see the aftermath, whereas here.

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<v Speaker 3>You see the violence, you see the punches, you see

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<v Speaker 3>the broken skin on Matt's hands after he's beaten, the

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<v Speaker 3>shout of a henchman, and I think that it still

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<v Speaker 3>is some of the best action we've had in any

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<v Speaker 3>superhero TV show or movie. Yes, and also the impact

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<v Speaker 3>is there, you feel the punches that really stood out

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<v Speaker 3>to me. I also think it's very interesting how they

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<v Speaker 3>utilize comic book characters in this show, because we get

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<v Speaker 3>very early on in the first three episodes, we get

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<v Speaker 3>Rosario Dawson's character, who is called Claire Temple, and she's

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<v Speaker 3>essentially like her reimagining of the Night Nurse character.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a very important part of the street level logistics

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<v Speaker 2>being a superhero the Luke Cage.

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<v Speaker 4>She's a Luke Cage character hero for Higher Issue too.

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<v Speaker 3>She was created by Archie Goodwin and George Tusker, and

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<v Speaker 3>she is a kind of composite of Claire Temple in

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<v Speaker 3>the comics, where she's a doctor and then the Linda

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<v Speaker 3>Carter hilarious nod there of course to the legend night

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<v Speaker 3>nurse character. And I thought that was a really interesting

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<v Speaker 3>way of dealing with the reality of how does Matt

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<v Speaker 3>Murdock get up after a night of getting the crap

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<v Speaker 3>kicked out of him and go to work as a lawyer?

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<v Speaker 3>And I love that rather than just being like a

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<v Speaker 3>suspension of this belief, they were like, no, he'd need

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<v Speaker 3>a nurse, he'd need someone who could fix them. And

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<v Speaker 3>also talking of big connections to the defenders, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>Claire is a recurring character in these shows.

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<v Speaker 4>She is someone who needs.

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<v Speaker 3>The you know she's coming back, baby, You're gonna see her,

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<v Speaker 3>And I thought that was an interest. It's interesting how

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<v Speaker 3>early she comes in and how they kind of build

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<v Speaker 3>in this relationship with Matt as a way to make

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<v Speaker 3>you believe that he can go out and do this

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<v Speaker 3>every night and still be walking.

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<v Speaker 2>Here are the several things that stood out to me

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<v Speaker 2>on rewatch one. The action is good was as good

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<v Speaker 2>as I remember. It's still it holds up and in

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<v Speaker 2>fact holds I would say this season together, yeah, because two,

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<v Speaker 2>I think this becomes much more evident in seasons two

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<v Speaker 2>and three. But it's here as well this season, and

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<v Speaker 2>the episodes are too there's too much fat. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>they're a little too long. There's a lot of stuff

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<v Speaker 2>in here that either feels repetitive at times or just

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<v Speaker 2>could be sharper and tighter, including the Union Allied investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they could have gone. I think they could

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<v Speaker 2>have made that much more interesting. It feels at times like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh God.

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<v Speaker 4>Here we go. I was gonna say, did that hook you?

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<v Speaker 3>Because I do think that for a show like they

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<v Speaker 3>might have gone a bit to standard procedural drama like

0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:09.639
<v Speaker 3>money laundering kind of they didn't necessarily hook you in.

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<v Speaker 3>But what does hook you in is the characters and

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<v Speaker 3>the conversation and and I think.

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<v Speaker 2>There were problems with it. Here are the here are

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<v Speaker 2>the structural problems on a standard like kind of procedural

0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:29.640
<v Speaker 2>that you would expect to see a character like Ben

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<v Speaker 2>Urick in. It's the discovery of the facts that are

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<v Speaker 2>that are the hook here. It's like, you know, Union

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<v Speaker 2>Allied is bad because you're with Matt Murdoch and he's

0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:42.119
<v Speaker 2>doing illegal shit at night and he's making it out.

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:45.400
<v Speaker 2>He's like uncovering all these criminal figures people who are

0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 2>involved on the on the kind of like bleeding edge

0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 2>of the scam, and so I think they needed to

0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:57.320
<v Speaker 2>really juice up Ben's investigation and make it feel more dangerous,

0:27:57.320 --> 0:28:01.359
<v Speaker 2>like he's and or that he's really uncovering like like

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 2>incredible stuff that is shocking in some way, because it

0:28:07.640 --> 0:28:09.840
<v Speaker 2>just kind of felt like he and Karen are having

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:12.080
<v Speaker 2>these conversations. Karen doesn't really want to talk to him,

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:15.400
<v Speaker 2>but she also is and she's scared, but she's helping,

0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 2>and then you're but you also feels like for a

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:21.399
<v Speaker 2>lot of those I'm just finding out stuff that I

0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 2>already knew, and I wish they had just made those

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:29.240
<v Speaker 2>a little tighter. There's and there's other things, a lot

0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 2>of like the organized crime, you know, Madam Gow and

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:35.439
<v Speaker 2>Nobu and the kind of like faceless Asian yakas a

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:40.120
<v Speaker 2>triad gangs. It feels very like paint by numbers, And

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:42.240
<v Speaker 2>so there's a lot of stuff here that felt like

0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:44.520
<v Speaker 2>we could have moved quicker through this.

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:47.840
<v Speaker 3>Ben is also a good example of how this show

0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:51.360
<v Speaker 3>does not treat people of color well, because Ben Urick

0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:54.640
<v Speaker 3>is an iconic character in Dead Evil Law, and by

0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 3>the end of the show he's dead, you know, there

0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:59.520
<v Speaker 3>was no he kind of continued to be an icotic character.

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 3>But they need to kill someone to kind of make

0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 3>the vengeance element, so they kill Elena, they kill Ben Uric,

0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:10.880
<v Speaker 3>And I remember that was really controversial when that happened

0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:14.280
<v Speaker 3>at the time, especially because I feel like, like you said,

0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 3>they don't necessarily make the most of him or kind

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 3>of showcase his skill his impact.

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't, yeah, I didn't love. This is a spoiler

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 2>for our book club Born Again book Club episode, but

0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 2>there's a passage. There's a scene in Born Again in

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:38.440
<v Speaker 2>which Urick is flying he's getting really close to the truth,

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:43.440
<v Speaker 2>and the Kingpin sends an assassin to his house. But

0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 2>she's seems like she's a home carriage. She's like a nurse,

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:50.480
<v Speaker 2>just like a very big nurse, and it is it

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:54.000
<v Speaker 2>was like a it's a scary scene, like it's really

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:57.959
<v Speaker 2>really terrifying, and Ben escapes by the skin of his teeth,

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 2>And I thought we could have used more threat to

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 2>bend through. It's like, really only at the end when

0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 2>the Kingkin shows up and kills him that you're like, oh,

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 2>this was dangerous. But if Ben had been under increasing

0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:12.920
<v Speaker 2>threat throughout.

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 3>It would have felt less just like kind of shortcut

0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:20.479
<v Speaker 3>to bengeance and I'm glad you bought Born Again Again actually,

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 3>because I do think I do think that one of

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:26.520
<v Speaker 3>the most interesting things going into a show named Dad

0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:29.280
<v Speaker 3>ever Born Again is how much this season does seem

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:32.840
<v Speaker 3>to pull from Born Again. There's a lot of stuff

0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:35.720
<v Speaker 3>like kind of Karen who you can't tell whether you

0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:36.480
<v Speaker 3>can trust that?

0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:38.000
<v Speaker 4>Is she a criminal? Is she not?

0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 3>That feels very Born Again, the ben Yurik stuff very

0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 3>born Again.

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:44.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So it'll be interesting to see what Born Again

0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:48.560
<v Speaker 2>actually is because there's so much of it that at

0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 2>least the comics story in this season. And then finally,

0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:54.880
<v Speaker 2>the final thing that really stood out to me is like, actually,

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 2>how much Defender's connective to you? There is a lot

0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:02.360
<v Speaker 2>like there's it like a lot, there's there's you know,

0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:08.120
<v Speaker 2>when when we get to meet Stick, Matt's mentor both

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 2>in his flashbacks in the early kind of training days,

0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Matt as a young blind kid who's not in control

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:18.120
<v Speaker 2>of his senses, uh to Stick in the present day

0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 2>and the kind of mysterious circumstances of his rival, why

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 2>is he in New York And you come to realize

0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:27.720
<v Speaker 2>he's here to assassinate a child crazy?

0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Who is who is?

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:34.040
<v Speaker 2>Who is a Black Sky one of these I guess

0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 2>black Sky figures who the Hand and the yakas of

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 2>feel like could be an important leader for them in

0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:45.560
<v Speaker 2>the future. And he's there to kill this person, which

0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 2>is crazy, absolutely, and that becomes a very important kind

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:54.960
<v Speaker 2>of plot point to the Defender's storyline all throughout that

0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:58.720
<v Speaker 2>season and what the Hand is up to. So those

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:01.680
<v Speaker 2>are the things. And oh and one more thing. I

0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 2>think there's too many flashbacks.

0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 1>That's it.

0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 2>It's really you know, like Wilson fisk, I don't he's

0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:07.640
<v Speaker 2>a bad guy. I don't need to know about his

0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:11.360
<v Speaker 2>childhood as a traumatized young kid.

0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well what stood out for you?

0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:28.920
<v Speaker 5>You know what?

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:31.400
<v Speaker 3>I think that for me, I agree with you action.

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:34.080
<v Speaker 3>I think it's too long. We've talked about that as well,

0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:37.760
<v Speaker 3>like it's a thirteen hour long show, and at the

0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:40.240
<v Speaker 3>time there was lots of this talk about, oh, it's

0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:44.520
<v Speaker 3>a thirteen hour movie. It is not, sir, I do so.

0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 3>I love Wilson Fisk, I agree there's too many flashbacks.

0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:51.640
<v Speaker 3>I do feel like ironically the better or for worse,

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:54.440
<v Speaker 3>the stick stuff and the way that's presented in the

0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:58.480
<v Speaker 3>stick episode is like, it feels very influential on how

0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 3>shows like to do a flashback a bottle episode. Now,

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:05.200
<v Speaker 3>I like pretty much anything they do with Wilson Fisk

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:09.160
<v Speaker 3>because I think this is one of the better versions

0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:16.440
<v Speaker 3>of making a villain feel emotionally kind of resonant as

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 3>you get to learn more about him. And also I

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:22.440
<v Speaker 3>love the relationship with him and Vanessa so much. I

0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 3>think it's just completely deranged and so much fun to watch,

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 3>and you do even though like on an ethical and

0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 3>moral level in real life, you wouldn't be supporting it.

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:35.600
<v Speaker 3>When he's like gripping her hands as the Feds drag

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 3>him away in episode thirteen and he's giving her the

0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:39.120
<v Speaker 3>ring and he's like, I love you.

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:43.080
<v Speaker 4>Vanessa, Let's get married, Like I will marry you. This

0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:43.960
<v Speaker 4>is crazy.

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 3>I think that Vincent Donofrio makes or breaks the show

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 3>as much as I do. I think the main trick

0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:53.320
<v Speaker 3>you buy him, Karen Page, you need to buy him

0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:57.680
<v Speaker 3>as Yeah, the Karen Page, Charlie Cox, Foggy Nelson at

0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:01.760
<v Speaker 3>Murdoch all fantastic cast thing. They look like they're in

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:05.720
<v Speaker 3>the comics. Their chemistry together is so good, So that's great.

0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:08.399
<v Speaker 3>But really for me, this is the Vincent Dinofrio show.

0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 3>I love the kind of the way he shoots the

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:14.440
<v Speaker 3>words out of his mouth, like bull It's Vanessa Vanessa,

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 3>Like I will listen to him talk in that voice

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:17.000
<v Speaker 3>all day.

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:19.040
<v Speaker 4>Other things that really stood out to me.

0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:23.920
<v Speaker 3>I think that something I think is very funny and

0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:27.520
<v Speaker 3>cool here that kind of happened earlier than a lot

0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:31.000
<v Speaker 3>of other movies and TV shows doing this is the

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:34.200
<v Speaker 3>show is definitely in conversation with readers at least a

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:38.240
<v Speaker 3>little bit, because I love that when Foggy finds out

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:41.800
<v Speaker 3>about Matt's secret life, he is really mad at him.

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:44.440
<v Speaker 4>Because he's like, are you even blind? He's like, have

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:45.640
<v Speaker 4>you just He's.

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:48.440
<v Speaker 3>Like, I'm helping you around every day, but you can

0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:50.960
<v Speaker 3>sense everything. And he's like I'm nodding and you know

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm nodding right, And Matt's like yeah. And I think

0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:55.400
<v Speaker 3>that's really funny because one, they do it in a

0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:58.239
<v Speaker 3>way that feels very real and like you would be

0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:00.160
<v Speaker 3>really pissed off and they sell it.

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:03.000
<v Speaker 1>But also yeah, wait, wait, so like you're you don't

0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:06.360
<v Speaker 1>really know where you're.

0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:06.200
<v Speaker 4>Not, like come on bo.

0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:10.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, It's like a big conversation in the disability community

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 3>about Matt Murdock in the comic book community.

0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:15.040
<v Speaker 4>So I think I thought that was really great.

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:18.160
<v Speaker 3>I do think it's too long, Like, I know, people

0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:21.840
<v Speaker 3>love this show, but I thirteen hours, I don't think.

0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:24.879
<v Speaker 3>I think they could have done double what they did

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:27.600
<v Speaker 3>in the same thirteen hours, or they could have cut

0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:29.560
<v Speaker 3>it down to nine hours and it would have been

0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:33.880
<v Speaker 3>like the snappiest, most impactful show ever. But at the time,

0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 3>you know, this is very much in those early kind

0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 3>of at what we call prest these TV nowadays days.

0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 3>The opening for this, the credit sequence, is one of

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:48.480
<v Speaker 3>the most influential credit sequences of all times. Shows are

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:51.440
<v Speaker 3>still trying to make a credit sequence like that, with

0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:54.400
<v Speaker 3>the kind of blood and the wax going over the

0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:58.360
<v Speaker 3>faces of the characters and Lady Justice. Yeah, I thought

0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:00.320
<v Speaker 3>it was great. I do think I agree with pretty

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:03.799
<v Speaker 3>much everything you said. But the main thing is just

0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:06.920
<v Speaker 3>like the action, and also if you were there, if

0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:09.239
<v Speaker 3>you're old like us, if you're watching this nine years ago,

0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:13.320
<v Speaker 3>I still do remember the excitement of like a real

0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:17.440
<v Speaker 3>street level team, you know, And I think the biggest

0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 3>thing that even though the show was long, I do

0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:23.840
<v Speaker 3>think the finale sticks the landing it manages to wrap

0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:25.960
<v Speaker 3>up the loose end, set up what you want from

0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:29.080
<v Speaker 3>a season two. I think that you get some really

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:32.160
<v Speaker 3>interesting stuff because Matt has chosen not to reveal who

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:33.840
<v Speaker 3>he is to Karen, which, if you've ever read a

0:36:33.880 --> 0:36:36.440
<v Speaker 3>Spider Man story, is a terrible idea will always come

0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:38.520
<v Speaker 3>back to bite you in the bar and is not

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 3>healthy or good. But you still get the beginnings of

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:45.440
<v Speaker 3>some chemistry between them. This is before Dared Evil went

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 3>fully into Matt being.

0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:48.960
<v Speaker 4>Like a Lathario.

0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 3>This is kind of still a little bit of your

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:55.440
<v Speaker 3>innocent Matt. I think Stephen at de Night had spoken

0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 3>quite extensibly at the time about the violence being the

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:01.440
<v Speaker 3>adult part, and they wanted to kind of lure people

0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:04.240
<v Speaker 3>in with that and get them comfortable with it before

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:07.320
<v Speaker 3>any sex. And there wasn't really a sexual, big sexual

0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:09.880
<v Speaker 3>element to Dead Devil, but the rest of the Defenders

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 3>Jessica Jones later seasons of Dead Devil definitely changed that.

0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:17.400
<v Speaker 3>I mean, Matt Murdoch has always been a character that

0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:20.200
<v Speaker 3>people have crushes on, but I think Charlie Cox Matt

0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:27.080
<v Speaker 3>Murdoch expanded that exponentially. Yeah, I think generally this is

0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:29.200
<v Speaker 3>like I'm glad that at the time we knew we

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:31.360
<v Speaker 3>had it so good, because we haven't.

0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:32.880
<v Speaker 4>Really had it so good for a long time.

0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:35.440
<v Speaker 3>And at the time we knew we knew, we were like,

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:38.720
<v Speaker 3>we're eating and this is delicious, and it's gonna nourish

0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:39.840
<v Speaker 3>us and serve us well.

0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:42.040
<v Speaker 4>And it's an interesting.

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 3>Part of what the MCU used to be when there

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:48.359
<v Speaker 3>was a little bit more separation between church and state,

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:49.880
<v Speaker 3>let's say, like TV and movies.

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:51.839
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I'm very interested in it.

0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:54.399
<v Speaker 3>But what I want to know is, like, for you

0:37:55.600 --> 0:37:59.839
<v Speaker 3>from watching it, what do you feel like your main

0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:02.840
<v Speaker 3>takeaways where like, Wow, the impact of this show, Like

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 3>how have you seen it change things over the years.

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:12.759
<v Speaker 2>I think the impact of the show is there is

0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:15.040
<v Speaker 2>the level is the action and the level of violence.

0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:20.920
<v Speaker 2>I think it's set a standard that you saw start

0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:26.600
<v Speaker 2>to affect the MCU in like you know, Captain America,

0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Winter Soldier, and in the kind of ex style of

0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:37.840
<v Speaker 2>action and in some of Disney Plus's Marvel television offerings,

0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 2>and just the way the fights are. I think that

0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:44.560
<v Speaker 2>the main you know, think about the fans of this

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:49.279
<v Speaker 2>show from the Netflix era, their initial reaction to the

0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:51.919
<v Speaker 2>announcement that Daredevil would coming to the MCU and that

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Born Again would be his first kind of like TV

0:38:56.800 --> 0:39:01.000
<v Speaker 2>title on Disney Plus was will it be as hard hitting?

0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:05.480
<v Speaker 2>That's really the thing, and that's to me, more than anything,

0:39:06.160 --> 0:39:09.919
<v Speaker 2>the influence that Daredevil has, And I think that when

0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:12.000
<v Speaker 2>we talked about it before, I think street level is

0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:17.399
<v Speaker 2>a big hole in Marvel stuff, like we've immediately transcended

0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:21.560
<v Speaker 2>in the films to cosmic threats, multiversal threats, you know,

0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:28.480
<v Speaker 2>fighting in and outside of the timeline, different versions.

0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:32.320
<v Speaker 4>Of branches of the tree of life. And it's.

0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Of that that we're ignoring a really rich tradition of

0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:43.080
<v Speaker 2>like street level heroes, and I think Daredevil points the way.

0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:46.000
<v Speaker 2>So it mays to be seen what the influence is,

0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:48.239
<v Speaker 2>but I think one of the things that we can

0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 2>say is its influence is in the fact that they

0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:58.280
<v Speaker 2>got it right with the casting. It was announced, for instance,

0:39:58.360 --> 0:40:01.680
<v Speaker 2>that Foggy and Karen would both be in Born Again.

0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:05.399
<v Speaker 2>This is essentially a retcon of stuff that happened at

0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:10.000
<v Speaker 2>the end of seasons two and three of Daredevil, So

0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:13.799
<v Speaker 2>those characters are going to be around, and that to

0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:16.919
<v Speaker 2>me is like a tacit emission that you know what,

0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:20.439
<v Speaker 2>one it's really hard to have a Daredavil story without

0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Karen and Froggy.

0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:21.800
<v Speaker 4>And two.

0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:24.120
<v Speaker 1>Netflix did it right.

0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:29.040
<v Speaker 2>Whatever the thing was too long, too many floppy plotlines

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<v Speaker 2>are fine, but.

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<v Speaker 1>They got it right.

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<v Speaker 2>The core of it really really worked, and so we

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<v Speaker 2>have to bring them back, including bringing back I think Vanessa.

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<v Speaker 2>It was announced on it was reported, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was Business Insider had that the actor who plays

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<v Speaker 2>Vanessa said that in the canon, the fictional canon that's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of like ongoing right now, is that

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<v Speaker 2>Vanessa took over the rackets when Wilson went. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>love that after season three, which I love that because.

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<v Speaker 4>She's such a brilliant actor. I think you're right. I

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<v Speaker 4>think those are the main things.

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<v Speaker 3>I will also say, so, this show came out before

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<v Speaker 3>I moved here, and then when I moved here, I

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<v Speaker 3>did a lot of coverage in like twenty sixteen, like

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<v Speaker 3>twenty seventeen onwards to for the CW.

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<v Speaker 4>Arrow Verse shows.

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<v Speaker 3>And obviously we don't necessarily think about those shows as

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<v Speaker 3>having like hard hitting action because they were on broadcast TV.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't have the brutality.

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<v Speaker 3>But what I will say is, whenever I went to

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<v Speaker 3>those sets, they had a full blown stunt team really

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<v Speaker 3>putting together intricate, ongoing action shots important big superhero fights,

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<v Speaker 3>and I definitely felt like without dead Level, that wouldn't necessarily.

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<v Speaker 4>Have become such a hallmark of what you need, Like

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<v Speaker 4>you need.

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<v Speaker 3>To have somebody who's gonna make you go whoa, Like

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<v Speaker 3>you can't just get away with the flash flash running

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<v Speaker 3>fast around someone. You have to have a street level

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<v Speaker 3>hero like Guardian or something that's gonna be there beating

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<v Speaker 3>the stuffing out of people, and you have to have

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<v Speaker 3>good stump work, and you have to have interesting fight scenes.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think you're right. I think that's the biggest

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<v Speaker 3>ongoing impact. I also think that this is a series

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<v Speaker 3>that established superhero storytelling as something that people who maybe

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<v Speaker 3>didn't usually watch superhero stuff, who didn't watch Marvel, they

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to watch it.

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<v Speaker 4>They saw it on Netflix, they wanted to be get.

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<v Speaker 2>Like fans of NCIS or like or like Navy Seals

0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:37.719
<v Speaker 2>or any of those kind of like s for you,

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<v Speaker 2>like CBS action y kind of procedurals, they might be

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<v Speaker 2>attracted to a show like this. You're exactly right. Any

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<v Speaker 2>final thoughts on Daredevil Season one as we head into

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<v Speaker 2>our coverage of season two and three looking forward to

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<v Speaker 2>Daredevil boarding.

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<v Speaker 3>In final thoughts, I hope that this encourages people to

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<v Speaker 3>seek out more Dad level comics.

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<v Speaker 4>There's so many brilliant Dead level comics.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a Annie Nasenti Jr.

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<v Speaker 4>J June JRJ Drummer. That's a point.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a superstar of that run, the Typhoid Mary run.

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<v Speaker 3>You can collect that.

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<v Speaker 2>There's never I'll go further. There's never been a bad

0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:22.399
<v Speaker 2>Dart level true. I think I think fantastic. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it punches above its weight. It is consistently one of

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<v Speaker 2>the best things going in Marvel always. Maybe it's because

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<v Speaker 2>it's so insulated from like the ongoing events in the

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<v Speaker 2>wider Marvel six one six Cannon, but there are more

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<v Speaker 2>great runs in Daredevil than maybe any other comment.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's pretty fair.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say like it's up there with X Men,

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<v Speaker 3>and honestly X Men is once you get past clamor

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<v Speaker 3>becomes pretty spoty depending on what you like.

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<v Speaker 2>But the nineties get weird, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I love Jila, also, I love Barrrison, but definitely I

0:43:57.400 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 3>think Dad Devil has a lot more access storylines.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe we'll have to get Jewels on here.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually because he did a great thing where he read

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<v Speaker 3>every Dead Level comic to rank them all for Notice,

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<v Speaker 3>which was really good.

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<v Speaker 4>I also would say if you want.

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<v Speaker 3>To see more action like Dead Level, there is not

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<v Speaker 3>really more action like Dead Level in a whole series.

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<v Speaker 3>But the pilot episode of Echo is the closest we

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<v Speaker 3>have come back to it. It has Dead Level in it.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a fantastic opening fight scene.

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<v Speaker 4>Check that out. Also, our discord.

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<v Speaker 3>Is going absolutely crazy, big big fans of your friendly

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<v Speaker 3>neighborhood spider Man, which I think is the closest we've

0:44:32.920 --> 0:44:35.800
<v Speaker 3>gotten in the MCU of Yeah, the kind of street

0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:39.040
<v Speaker 3>level down and like who are your friends? How do

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<v Speaker 3>they back you up? And what does it mean to

0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:43.759
<v Speaker 3>be a hero in your community? Very different tones, and

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<v Speaker 3>Dead Level makes an appearance, very different tone but super fun.

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<v Speaker 4>And Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Want the three things I want to continue from this

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<v Speaker 3>show over our cast, chemistry, action.

0:44:57.480 --> 0:45:00.440
<v Speaker 4>And the way that this show just brings in so.

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<v Speaker 3>Many random, outrageous comment but characters that you never thought

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:06.200
<v Speaker 3>you were going to see. I love that stuff. Those

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<v Speaker 3>are my three biggest things. What do you want to

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<v Speaker 3>make sure that comes over for Dad? Evil Born again?

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<v Speaker 2>I think my final takeaways are great season, but that

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<v Speaker 2>there's it could even be better, and that Born Again

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<v Speaker 2>I think that there's real hope that it could actually

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<v Speaker 2>be something truly great because the procedural elements are kind

0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:32.320
<v Speaker 2>of the weak pointed day are like you never really

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<v Speaker 2>get the Matt.

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<v Speaker 1>Murdoch in the courtroom like iconic moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Which would be great, right if you could tie together

0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:41.520
<v Speaker 2>some of these strands that way. And so I think

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<v Speaker 2>that by doubling down and really adding value in the

0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:53.320
<v Speaker 2>procedural elements, the investigation elements, the courtroom stuff, give Foggy

0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:58.360
<v Speaker 2>and Karen some real stuff to dig into.

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<v Speaker 4>I would love that.

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<v Speaker 2>If though, if that element of the show is elevated

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<v Speaker 2>to the level or anywhere near of the action elements,

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<v Speaker 2>the Dared Devil elements, I think you've got a show

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<v Speaker 2>that's not just like really good, but potentially great. And

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<v Speaker 2>so that's the thing that I come away with from

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<v Speaker 2>this season is really good season of television, and it

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<v Speaker 2>could have been like great and maybe Born Again.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe it will be, Maybe it will be. I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so excited for this show. I'm for book club.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so stoked to see how many people are reading

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<v Speaker 3>along and I think it's going to be a really

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<v Speaker 3>interesting combo, especially leading into the show, which we're kind

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<v Speaker 3>of now wondering how much is that just a title?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it really gonna pull elements? And from that it's

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<v Speaker 4>going to be interesting to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. In the next few episodes of X ray Vision,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll be recapping, of course, Daredevil seasons two and three

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<v Speaker 2>originally on Netflix you can find them now on Disney Plus,

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<v Speaker 2>and beginning our coverage of Born Again. That's it for

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<v Speaker 2>this episode, Thanks for singing bye. X ray Vision is

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<v Speaker 2>hosted by Jason Spcion and Rosie Knight and is a

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<v Speaker 2>production of iHeart Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 3>Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kurtman.

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<v Speaker 1>Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

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<v Speaker 3>Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan, and Bay wag.

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<v Speaker 2>Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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<v Speaker 2>songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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<v Speaker 3>Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and

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<v Speaker 3>Heidi our discord moderator.