1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:00,560 Speaker 1: Warning. 2 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 2: Today's episode canday spoilers for season one of Daredevil, which 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 2: originally ed on Netflix but you can currently find on 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 2: Disney Plus. 5 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 3: Hello. 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 2: My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosy Night, and. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 4: Welcome back the next. 8 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: Version of the podcast where we done deep into your 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture. Company from Myra Podcast, 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 2: where we're bringing you three episodes every week Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: plus a news episode on weekend. 12 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 3: In today's episode, you've been asking for it ever since 13 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 3: we first began an Xtra Vision many moons ago. In 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 3: this long period of time that we're all living through, 15 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 3: we are going back to twenty fifteen to the now 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 3: canon Netflix Dead Evil series and we will be recapping 17 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 3: it and talking about it and digging in in preparation 18 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 3: for the upcoming sequel series on Disney Plus Dad Evil 19 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 3: Born Again. 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: Let's dive in first some context on Daredevil. The character 21 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: debuted in nineteen sixty four creation of Stan Lee and 22 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: Bill Everett, appearing in It's his own solo title of 23 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: just immediately Off Jump Daredevil Number one. And one thing 24 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 2: that is immediately clear from reading back to you know 25 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: the original Daredevil runs is how much this is an 26 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: attempt to clone Spider Man. 27 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 3: Dude, it's so funny, Like they are like, what if 28 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 3: he's like Spider Man? 29 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 4: But he's like serious, what if he's Spider Man? 30 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 3: They like something weird and bad happened to him, Like 31 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 3: I do. 32 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 4: I love a street level hero. 33 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 3: But as we know, it is quite notorious in the 34 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 3: comic book industry that kind of every ten years Marvel 35 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: will try and remake Spider Man. 36 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 4: And the most successful version. 37 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 3: They've had of it is Kamala Khan, where they actually 38 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 3: created a completely different, completely new street level Haroy that 39 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 3: people fell for. But yes, that Devil's definitely in that space, 40 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 3: and I think that is why there's a lot of 41 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 3: crossover between the characters. 42 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, that you find him and Spider Man fighting about. 43 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 3: But something important about that devil. He's Catholic, Okay, and 44 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 3: that's gonna. 45 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 4: Come off for altholic. 46 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: He's very Irish Catholic. The show Daredevil the adaptation was 47 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: released in twenty fifteen on Netflix, uh and it was 48 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 2: helmed by Showner Or Stephens de Night, who gave us Spartacus. 49 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: The Spartacus television show on Stars. 50 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 4: The League Gets Stars Network. 51 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 2: The beleaguered, very much beleaguered. Stars Network and Daredevil immediately 52 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: made an impression on people because of its incredible action scenes, 53 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 2: including the now iconic one shot Ish Hallway fight from 54 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 2: episode three of season one. It's fantastic. I think it's 55 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 2: what's so striking about it watching a bag is it's 56 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: like you don't see superheroes get tired. 57 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: And I love that about Matt Murty. 58 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 4: Yah, he is fucking tied, like he's tired. 59 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: I'm tied halfway. 60 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: I'm halfway through this fight and I am exhaust something else. 61 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 3: I think that probably really spoke to people, and that 62 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: interestingly that MCU had set people up to take in 63 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 3: in a way they were maybe more open to after 64 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: the kind of lead into the Avengers movies. 65 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 4: This is an incredibly slow bun show. 66 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 3: It sets up a lot of the which have now 67 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 3: become memes, but a lot of the tropes of a 68 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 3: prestige TV adaptation of a comic book or a book 69 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 3: that you love. This man does not get his costume 70 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 3: till the last episode, Like he doesn't get the dead 71 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 3: of a costume till the last episode. We don't mean 72 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 3: Wilson Fisk till the end of episode three properly where 73 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 3: it's revealed that he is the villain. There is so 74 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 3: much work and patience that is put into this show, 75 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 3: and we will talk about how that works good and 76 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: bad as we get into it. But I do think 77 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 3: that at the time there was nothing else like it. 78 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 3: I so deeply remember the reactions by friends. It's still 79 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 3: at the time when Netflix's binge model is seen as. 80 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 4: A positive thing. 81 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 3: It's also, you know, three years after the Avengers and 82 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 3: suddenly we're getting to see like, how does a normal 83 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 3: person deal with living in New York during the Chatari invasion? 84 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 4: And what I think is really. 85 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 3: Interesting is the MCU and the creators and Drew Goddard 86 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 3: and Steven st. 87 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 4: Knight. 88 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 3: Their response was, well, it would obviously be really hard. 89 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 3: Here are the tough, working class neighborhoods that have been destroyed. 90 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 3: Which is really funny because now, almost ten years later, 91 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 3: we all know thanks to many hilarious TikTok creators and stuff, 92 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 3: that the way we all see it as like, oh Man, 93 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 3: like Superman, smash my car again, back all my car insurance, 94 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 3: Like there's a more comedic read that I think that 95 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 3: fans enjoy. But it was very different to see a 96 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 3: show like this that features so many different comic book 97 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 3: characters and it just plays it entirely serious and straight 98 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 3: the whole way down. 99 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 2: Very straight, completely grounded, very very little superpowers in evidence, 100 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: although of course Matt has heightened senses, but you forget 101 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 2: about them a lot. This show is connected to the 102 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: Wider MCU and was seen as in very interesting ways, 103 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 2: and it was seen as being something like a farm system. 104 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: In twenty thirteen, then CEO and now current CEO again 105 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 2: Bob Eiger said that, you know, stuff works on Netflix. 106 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 2: Quote it's quite possible they could become feature films, which 107 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: a Serrando's also echoed, So that was kind of seen 108 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 2: as the model. Hey, if this hits there, maybe we 109 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 2: bring them in to the wider MCU, which was then 110 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,119 Speaker 2: reaching of truly frothy boil. 111 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: Jeff Lobe, who was. 112 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: Kind of at the helm of all things Marvel Television 113 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,119 Speaker 2: live action television for a long time, said in twenty 114 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: fourteen that quote, within the Marvel universe, there are thousands 115 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: of heroes, but the Avengers are here to save the universe, 116 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: and dared Devil is here just to save your neighborhood. 117 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: It does take place in the Marvel cinematic universe. It's 118 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 2: all connected, but that doesn't necessarily mean we could look 119 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: up in the sky and see Iron Man. It's a 120 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 2: different part of New York, but we have not that 121 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 2: we have not yet seen in the Marvel movies. Also, 122 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 2: Jeff Lobe was also you know, running Agents of Shield 123 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: around this time too, which was connected ish. 124 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 3: And at some point it seemed very connected, but then 125 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 3: that was kind of pulling and. 126 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 2: Other times was like nah, yeah, yeah exactly. And then 127 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen, Lobe talked about crossovers, whether we'd ever 128 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: see crossovers from MCU to ABC tonight. 129 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 3: And he basically by that point, which I think is interesting, 130 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 3: is over those two years, it's gone from yeah, this 131 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 3: could be a thing that will happen to now kind 132 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 3: of being like we need to earn it, we don't want. 133 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 4: To push it, you know. 134 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 3: And he talked about how Captain America doing the crossover 135 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 3: in Thought two that kind of funny. Loki cameo Bruce 136 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 3: Banner at the end of Iron Man three, and the 137 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 3: audience needs to understand who the characters are and what 138 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 3: the world is before you start co mingling him, is 139 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 3: what he said, And it's funny because Jeff Loo, as 140 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 3: much as I hate to give him any credit, he 141 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 3: was obviously onto something because it took nine years. 142 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 4: It took nine years. Well, you know, love. 143 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: We'll get into this maybe in a different episode later, 144 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 2: but with Jeff Lobe, the highs are really high and 145 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: the lows are really correct. 146 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 4: On every level. I think about his own career level. 147 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: Whether it's comics or television, it's it's both. 148 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 4: The things he gave you, you know. 149 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: Some of the greatest Batman's stories you've ever seen. 150 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: And he also. 151 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: Gave you, you know, the Ultimates three, which is one of 152 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: the worst things that anybody's ever seen. Anyway, let's get 153 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: into Daredevil Season one the recap. 154 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: It opens in a post Battle. 155 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: Of New York World. New York is still recovering from 156 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: the Chatari invasion, and this is the perfect time for 157 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: organized crime gangs in New York to start making moves. 158 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 2: You know, construction is needed, new investment is needed, New 159 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 2: money is pouring in government money that. 160 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: Means lots to steal. 161 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: And there's really no one looking out for the little 162 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: guy except for. 163 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 4: Matt Murdoch uh. 164 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 2: A blind lawyer by day crime fighter by night, powered 165 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: by heightened senses, and also, as we as he mentions, 166 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 2: and as many other characters mentioned throughout this season, an 167 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 2: immensely powerful sense of catholic. 168 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 4: This man is so guilty at all times. 169 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 3: Yes, his Catholic guilt is so strong, and you know what, 170 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 3: I just want to give him a hug and says, Okay, 171 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 3: it's okay, Matt, You're doing all right. 172 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 2: Matt is the son of a former boxer who passed away, 173 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: and he spends his days practicing law with his best 174 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 2: friend Foggy, defending you know, the poorest inhabitants citizens of 175 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: New York City and mostly his Hell's Kitchen neighborhood, and 176 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: at night he cosplays basically as Batman. 177 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 3: And just kneels a show people on the streets, people 178 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 3: in that And this is where immediately you feel like 179 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 3: something is completely different from everything else you've seen in 180 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 3: the MCU before and even still really to this day, 181 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 3: Like the violence in this show is so brutal and so. 182 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 4: Realistic, and it's much more in that. 183 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 3: You know, there's no surprise that they have a world 184 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 3: famous you know, corridor scene in this because it's very feels, 185 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 3: very heavily influenced by movies like Old Boy, these kind 186 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 3: of like revenge thrillers where you are always punching two 187 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 3: times great, Oh my god, I love that movie. But 188 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 3: like there's so much anger in every punch that Matt 189 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 3: packs that he is often going too far and he 190 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 3: is often fighting too hard, and that is one of 191 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 3: the things he has to struggle with is what does 192 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: it really mean to be a vigilante who helps people 193 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 3: or just to be someone who's out there taking out 194 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: your anger and rage on people who are kind of 195 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 3: trying to survive in the streets. 196 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 2: Put a pinion that we're going to talk more about 197 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 2: these actions scenes because they are remarkable and continue to 198 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: be they really do. 199 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: Pre season of Daredevil enter Karen Page. 200 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 2: She is kind of like a core brit drone working 201 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 2: in the legal department who finds herself kind of unwinningly 202 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: entangled in this corporate conspiracy involving this business called United Allied. 203 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 2: She has uncovered some stuff Union excuse me, Union Allied, 204 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: and she's uncovered some stuff kind of unwittingly that turns 205 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: out to be evidence of massive, massive organized crime corruption. 206 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 2: She is almost framed for murdered, for murdered but then 207 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 2: almost murdered herself because she has uncovered all but she's 208 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 2: having a really bad time. But she's saved by Matt, 209 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 2: both as Daredevil and as a lawyer and as an employer. 210 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: Matt and Foggy take her case, and they also give 211 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: her a job and say, you know, well, we need 212 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 2: some help at the at the law firm, and also 213 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 2: Foggy quickly develops a crush on her, and this sets 214 00:11:55,440 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 2: off a chain of events that quickly draws the attention 215 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: of numerous organized crime groups throughout the city, including international 216 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: crime groups like the Yakuza and the Triads. And behind 217 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: all of those groups, jostling for power in their own 218 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 2: little neighborhoods and their own little turf battles, is Wilson Fisk, 219 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 2: the King Pole. No one is even allowed to say 220 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: this guy's fucking no name. You can't say his name, 221 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 2: and in fact. 222 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 3: And how much of a hold he has on New 223 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 3: York City really even until the final episode of the show, 224 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 3: which I think is really interesting. 225 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 2: And in fact, we only access him over the early 226 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: episodes through his chief Lieutenant James, who is like the 227 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: guy who goes to talk to the gangs. The point 228 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 2: person to keep Wilson insulated from everything. Because Wilson, on 229 00:12:55,240 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 2: the surface is just a businessman. He's a philanthropist, he's 230 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 2: an art lover, he's an avid cur he loves culinary guy. 231 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 2: He loves this guy loves a bottle of wine and 232 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 2: to be chopping it up in the kitchen. He loves that. 233 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: But what's he doing behind the scenes. He's running the 234 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 2: ultimate gentrification scam, using organized crime the various groups as 235 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: his kind of like personal real estate development firm in 236 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 2: order to force inhabitats out of buildings that he intends 237 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 2: to buy and then flip from major major profits. His 238 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: plan one to control the Hell's kitchen by bribing everybody, 239 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 2: strong arming landlords, and killing people when necessary to use 240 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 2: his crime syndicate, which includes multiple organized crime bosses including 241 00:13:54,040 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 2: Madam Gow, mystical drug Crumpkin loves loves a hot cup 242 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 2: of tea Nobu, high ranking yakuza warrior who fights like 243 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: a dark soul's boss, and Leland Owsley, who is kind 244 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 2: of like his money guy, the finance guy. It's like 245 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 2: he works for Wilson, but he's also got a mind 246 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 2: of his own to wipe out and he uses these 247 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,119 Speaker 2: people to wipe out all of his competition and basically 248 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 2: lock down his illegal control of the city, and then 249 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: step three, through his relationship with the beguiling art world 250 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 2: impresario Vanessa, to launder his public image as just like, Hey, 251 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: I'm just like a guy who loves art and fine 252 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 2: dining and look at my wonderful look at my wonderful 253 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: girlfriend Vanessa, who is on the up and up and 254 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 2: is well respected in the art world. She would never 255 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 2: be involved with anything criminal. Therefore, I am clean. Wilson 256 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 2: fiske love me? 257 00:14:54,680 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 5: Yeah. 258 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: Now, Wilson. 259 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 2: Actually really loves Vanessa like it, is immediately intrigued by 260 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 2: her when he meets her at the gallery. 261 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 4: And this is all going great. 262 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 2: His plan is all going great, except for the fact 263 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: that there's this quote man in the mask who is 264 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: running around at night beating up all of the organized 265 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: crime henchmen that Goo and Nobu and Owsley and Wilson 266 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 2: are using to force people out of their homes and 267 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: beat up the common folks. It's annoying at first, but 268 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: it starts to really cut into the profits over time, 269 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: and Wilson is getting increasingly aggravated. Matt, meanwhile, is you know, 270 00:15:55,440 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 2: going through all of his various personal problems, giving his 271 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 2: Catholic guilt. With every single episode, we get various flashbacks 272 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 2: to how he came to be Daredevil, how he got 273 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 2: his powers. We meet his mentor, Stick, the irascible blind 274 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 2: mentor Stick, who is not a nice guy at all, 275 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 2: but definitely help Matt with some very important things. And 276 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 2: as this is happening, Matt begins to really take a 277 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: bite into Wilson's criminal organization, and Karen is providing important 278 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 2: evidence to the muck racking muckraking reporter Ben Urick of 279 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 2: Union Allied's vast criminal conspiracy and how it involves the police, 280 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: city politicians, and more. Fisk is starting to get really annoyed. Now, 281 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: he's just starting to get really aggravated by all of this. 282 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 2: He's sick of this. The final domino falls when there's 283 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: a couple of things that happened. First, Leland Owsley and 284 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 2: Madam gow feeling like, you know what, Wilson is getting 285 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: too His attention is too much on Vanessa Jealous. 286 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: Jealous, stop paying us so much attention. 287 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 4: I got this any of your business. 288 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: Like treat this woman. 289 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 3: There's literally multiple liciversations about how they're like maybe to distracted. 290 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: It's interesting how much this mirrors like sticks advice to 291 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 2: Matt also where it's like, listen, you can't have anybody 292 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 2: in your life, you can't have any romantic entanglements. 293 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: Like it's like that speech from Heat. 294 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 2: You gotta be You got to be disconnected from everything 295 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 2: in order to focus on what you need to do. 296 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: And that's how Gal and leland Owsley feel the I 297 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: feel like listen, Wilson's got like lovey dovey eyes and 298 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 2: we can't get him to focus on business. So they 299 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 2: take the extremely unwise path by trying to basically assassinate Vanessa, 300 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 2: using poison to make it look like someone's trying to 301 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: kill Fisk. Vanessa goes into the hospital, Fisk is enraged, 302 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 2: he kills land Owsley. This draws the attention of the FEDS, 303 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: and now the heat is really on for Fisk. The 304 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 2: Feds move in. Fisk is like looking for an escape plan. 305 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 2: He has a shotgun marriage to Vanessa, Yeah, going on. 306 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 4: So many good things, and then he's like, I need 307 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 4: to escape. But in the best. 308 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 3: Wilson Fisk like Vincent Dinofrio performance of your Lifetime, I 309 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 3: love you and I say that as someone who knows 310 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 3: hubs criminal intent. That's one of the best like procedural 311 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 3: shows out. But you've done your time in many good shows. 312 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 3: But you are Wilson Fisk, like the man you are 313 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 3: in this l He's like, I'm Wilson. 314 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 4: Fisk, and I've got to escape this police fan. 315 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 3: So I'm gonna give like a three minute monologue where 316 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 3: I'm just telling these guys a story about nothing to 317 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 3: in my dulcet tones, and they're all listening to me. 318 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 4: But it's all a. 319 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 3: Ploy because like every corrupt cop in the whole city 320 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 3: is coming to break him out. And that's when you 321 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 3: really realize that, like Wilson Fisk has so many more 322 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 3: people under his thumb and in his employ than we 323 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 3: even know. He walks out after a firefight, just straight 324 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 3: into the street like it's not even an issue. And 325 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 3: if there wasn't a certain man fueled by Catholic guilt 326 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 3: and horniness, Matt Murdoch, he would have probably been able 327 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 3: to escape. But of course they have to have that 328 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 3: final showdown and it is like so good. 329 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 2: Yes, So the Union allied scheme is collapsed, the Feds 330 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 2: are on his tail, and Matt Burdock is really mad 331 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 2: because Kingpin killed ben Urine for revealing all this stuff, 332 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 2: and so they have a big, big how do you 333 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 2: do fight in the back alley as Wilson Fisk is 334 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 2: trying to escape his pehouse and is a brutal, brutal 335 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: fight with Matt finally like applying the couda grass by 336 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: like doing a leaping like action Wilson. 337 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 4: And it's all red. 338 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got his He's fully Daredevil now in his 339 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 2: Daredevil suit, and so the Kingpin is down. He gets 340 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 2: put under arrest by a cop that Daredevil had helped 341 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 2: out previously. He was about to arrest. Daredevil is like, hey, 342 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 2: remember when I helped you out? Why don't you just 343 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 2: forget like I was ever here? Just arrest Wilson Fisk 344 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 2: and the cop is like fine. 345 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,719 Speaker 3: I'm like you're not gonna live very long, my friend, like, 346 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 3: don't risk you a loud guess guy like come on. 347 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Vanessa is at the helipad being like, where is 348 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: my love? Where is Wilson? He never shows up, so 349 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: she leaves. Later on, setting up season two, Wilson Fisk 350 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 2: is in jail. Matt, Foggy and Karen have their new 351 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 2: offices and they are calling their firm, Nelson and Murdoch. 352 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 2: That is the speed recap of season one, and let's 353 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 2: just talk about what we thought. First of all, we 354 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 2: got to talk because we this is a show that 355 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 2: is I think it's trademark is its fight scenes. We 356 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 2: talked about it, and to me, I think what makes 357 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 2: this so unlike anything else in Marvel even now, is 358 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 2: the fact that because Matt he has the heightened senses, 359 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: but he's just a guy, a very very well trained guy, 360 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 2: a peak athlete. You know, if I'm thinking back to 361 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: my Marvel Handbook to the Marvel Universe, and you know 362 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 2: in the in the Daredevil section, it would say under 363 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: powers and skills like peak endurance and strength of a human. 364 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: Athlete. 365 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 2: So he's unlike other figures in the MCU who would 366 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 2: punch a guy and the guy would go flying through 367 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 2: a window and that would be it. Matt really has 368 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 2: to put the work in to fight. He does, and 369 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: you feel it. It's visceral when he. 370 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 3: I do think that the one thing that surprises me 371 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 3: the most about how long it took them to bring 372 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 3: Dad Evil to the MCU is that Charlie Cox is 373 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 3: just one of those generationally great casting. In fact, all 374 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 3: the casting in this show is fantastic, but when you 375 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 3: see him, especially early on, it's very rare in the 376 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 3: MCU and in these big superhero universes that we get 377 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 3: to see a character in an early version of their 378 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 3: suit or without a suit. 379 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 4: When you see him with. 380 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 3: That really cool man in the mask, like kind of 381 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 3: black bandana around his eyes, very assic Ninja turtles look, 382 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 3: and just like his black tight thermals and his boots, 383 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 3: you're like, wow, this is so different to the kind 384 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 3: of high military versions of the heroes that we've gotten, 385 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 3: And it feels realistic that in a world where the 386 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 3: Avengers are publicly heroes and exist, other people who don't 387 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 3: have that tech, who don't have this backing of Tony Stark, 388 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 3: would take this into their own hands. 389 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 4: And this show. 390 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 3: Feels like it really deals with what the reality inverted 391 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 3: commas of that would be. And I think the fights 392 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 3: are such a great part of that because so much 393 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 3: of what we saw in the MCU, Like we joke 394 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 3: about this all the time, the collateral damage is high, 395 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 3: like the Avengers are killing so many people, but you 396 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 3: never see what that collateral damage really is. 397 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 4: Even in the. 398 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 3: Age of Vulture where they deal I'm in Civil War 399 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 3: where they deal with it with the Legos explosion and 400 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 3: what happened there and everything. 401 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 4: It it does, we don't see the aftermath, whereas here. 402 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 3: You see the violence, you see the punches, you see 403 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 3: the broken skin on Matt's hands after he's beaten, the 404 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 3: shout of a henchman, and I think that it still 405 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 3: is some of the best action we've had in any 406 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 3: superhero TV show or movie. Yes, and also the impact 407 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 3: is there, you feel the punches that really stood out 408 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 3: to me. I also think it's very interesting how they 409 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 3: utilize comic book characters in this show, because we get 410 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 3: very early on in the first three episodes, we get 411 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 3: Rosario Dawson's character, who is called Claire Temple, and she's 412 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 3: essentially like her reimagining of the Night Nurse character. 413 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 2: She's a very important part of the street level logistics 414 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 2: being a superhero the Luke Cage. 415 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 4: She's a Luke Cage character hero for Higher Issue too. 416 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 3: She was created by Archie Goodwin and George Tusker, and 417 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 3: she is a kind of composite of Claire Temple in 418 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,959 Speaker 3: the comics, where she's a doctor and then the Linda 419 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 3: Carter hilarious nod there of course to the legend night 420 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 3: nurse character. And I thought that was a really interesting 421 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 3: way of dealing with the reality of how does Matt 422 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 3: Murdock get up after a night of getting the crap 423 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 3: kicked out of him and go to work as a lawyer? 424 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 3: And I love that rather than just being like a 425 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 3: suspension of this belief, they were like, no, he'd need 426 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 3: a nurse, he'd need someone who could fix them. And 427 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 3: also talking of big connections to the defenders, I mean, 428 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 3: Claire is a recurring character in these shows. 429 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 4: She is someone who needs. 430 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 3: The you know she's coming back, baby, You're gonna see her, 431 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 3: And I thought that was an interest. It's interesting how 432 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 3: early she comes in and how they kind of build 433 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 3: in this relationship with Matt as a way to make 434 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 3: you believe that he can go out and do this 435 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 3: every night and still be walking. 436 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 2: Here are the several things that stood out to me 437 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 2: on rewatch one. The action is good was as good 438 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,239 Speaker 2: as I remember. It's still it holds up and in 439 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 2: fact holds I would say this season together, yeah, because two, 440 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 2: I think this becomes much more evident in seasons two 441 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 2: and three. But it's here as well this season, and 442 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 2: the episodes are too there's too much fat. Yeah, it's 443 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 2: they're a little too long. There's a lot of stuff 444 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 2: in here that either feels repetitive at times or just 445 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 2: could be sharper and tighter, including the Union Allied investigation. 446 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 2: I think they could have gone. I think they could 447 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 2: have made that much more interesting. It feels at times like, 448 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 2: oh God. 449 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 4: Here we go. I was gonna say, did that hook you? 450 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 3: Because I do think that for a show like they 451 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 3: might have gone a bit to standard procedural drama like 452 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 3: money laundering kind of they didn't necessarily hook you in. 453 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 3: But what does hook you in is the characters and 454 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 3: the conversation and and I think. 455 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 2: There were problems with it. Here are the here are 456 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 2: the structural problems on a standard like kind of procedural 457 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 2: that you would expect to see a character like Ben 458 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 2: Urick in. It's the discovery of the facts that are 459 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: that are the hook here. It's like, you know, Union 460 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 2: Allied is bad because you're with Matt Murdoch and he's 461 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 2: doing illegal shit at night and he's making it out. 462 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 2: He's like uncovering all these criminal figures people who are 463 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 2: involved on the on the kind of like bleeding edge 464 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: of the scam, and so I think they needed to 465 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 2: really juice up Ben's investigation and make it feel more dangerous, 466 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 2: like he's and or that he's really uncovering like like 467 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 2: incredible stuff that is shocking in some way, because it 468 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 2: just kind of felt like he and Karen are having 469 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 2: these conversations. Karen doesn't really want to talk to him, 470 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 2: but she also is and she's scared, but she's helping, 471 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 2: and then you're but you also feels like for a 472 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 2: lot of those I'm just finding out stuff that I 473 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 2: already knew, and I wish they had just made those 474 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: a little tighter. There's and there's other things, a lot 475 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 2: of like the organized crime, you know, Madam Gow and 476 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 2: Nobu and the kind of like faceless Asian yakas a 477 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 2: triad gangs. It feels very like paint by numbers, And 478 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 2: so there's a lot of stuff here that felt like 479 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 2: we could have moved quicker through this. 480 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 3: Ben is also a good example of how this show 481 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 3: does not treat people of color well, because Ben Urick 482 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 3: is an iconic character in Dead Evil Law, and by 483 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 3: the end of the show he's dead, you know, there 484 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 3: was no he kind of continued to be an icotic character. 485 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 3: But they need to kill someone to kind of make 486 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 3: the vengeance element, so they kill Elena, they kill Ben Uric, 487 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 3: And I remember that was really controversial when that happened 488 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 3: at the time, especially because I feel like, like you said, 489 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 3: they don't necessarily make the most of him or kind 490 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 3: of showcase his skill his impact. 491 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 2: I don't, yeah, I didn't love. This is a spoiler 492 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 2: for our book club Born Again book Club episode, but 493 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 2: there's a passage. There's a scene in Born Again in 494 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: which Urick is flying he's getting really close to the truth, 495 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 2: and the Kingpin sends an assassin to his house. But 496 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 2: she's seems like she's a home carriage. She's like a nurse, 497 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 2: just like a very big nurse, and it is it 498 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 2: was like a it's a scary scene, like it's really 499 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,959 Speaker 2: really terrifying, and Ben escapes by the skin of his teeth, 500 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 2: And I thought we could have used more threat to 501 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 2: bend through. It's like, really only at the end when 502 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 2: the Kingkin shows up and kills him that you're like, oh, 503 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 2: this was dangerous. But if Ben had been under increasing 504 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 2: threat throughout. 505 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 3: It would have felt less just like kind of shortcut 506 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,479 Speaker 3: to bengeance and I'm glad you bought Born Again Again actually, 507 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 3: because I do think I do think that one of 508 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 3: the most interesting things going into a show named Dad 509 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 3: ever Born Again is how much this season does seem 510 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 3: to pull from Born Again. There's a lot of stuff 511 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 3: like kind of Karen who you can't tell whether you 512 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 3: can trust that? 513 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 4: Is she a criminal? Is she not? 514 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 3: That feels very Born Again, the ben Yurik stuff very 515 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 3: born Again. 516 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 2: Yes, So it'll be interesting to see what Born Again 517 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 2: actually is because there's so much of it that at 518 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 2: least the comics story in this season. And then finally, 519 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: the final thing that really stood out to me is like, actually, 520 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 2: how much Defender's connective to you? There is a lot 521 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 2: like there's it like a lot, there's there's you know, 522 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 2: when when we get to meet Stick, Matt's mentor both 523 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 2: in his flashbacks in the early kind of training days, 524 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 2: Matt as a young blind kid who's not in control 525 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 2: of his senses, uh to Stick in the present day 526 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 2: and the kind of mysterious circumstances of his rival, why 527 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 2: is he in New York And you come to realize 528 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 2: he's here to assassinate a child crazy? 529 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: Who is who is? 530 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 2: Who is a Black Sky one of these I guess 531 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 2: black Sky figures who the Hand and the yakas of 532 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 2: feel like could be an important leader for them in 533 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 2: the future. And he's there to kill this person, which 534 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 2: is crazy, absolutely, and that becomes a very important kind 535 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 2: of plot point to the Defender's storyline all throughout that 536 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 2: season and what the Hand is up to. So those 537 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: are the things. And oh and one more thing. I 538 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 2: think there's too many flashbacks. 539 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: That's it. 540 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 2: It's really you know, like Wilson fisk, I don't he's 541 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 2: a bad guy. I don't need to know about his 542 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 2: childhood as a traumatized young kid. 543 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, well what stood out for you? 544 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 5: You know what? 545 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 3: I think that for me, I agree with you action. 546 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 3: I think it's too long. We've talked about that as well, 547 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 3: like it's a thirteen hour long show, and at the 548 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 3: time there was lots of this talk about, oh, it's 549 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 3: a thirteen hour movie. It is not, sir, I do so. 550 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 3: I love Wilson Fisk, I agree there's too many flashbacks. 551 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 3: I do feel like ironically the better or for worse, 552 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 3: the stick stuff and the way that's presented in the 553 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 3: stick episode is like, it feels very influential on how 554 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 3: shows like to do a flashback a bottle episode. Now, 555 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 3: I like pretty much anything they do with Wilson Fisk 556 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 3: because I think this is one of the better versions 557 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 3: of making a villain feel emotionally kind of resonant as 558 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 3: you get to learn more about him. And also I 559 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 3: love the relationship with him and Vanessa so much. I 560 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 3: think it's just completely deranged and so much fun to watch, 561 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 3: and you do even though like on an ethical and 562 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 3: moral level in real life, you wouldn't be supporting it. 563 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 3: When he's like gripping her hands as the Feds drag 564 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 3: him away in episode thirteen and he's giving her the 565 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 3: ring and he's like, I love you. 566 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 4: Vanessa, Let's get married, Like I will marry you. This 567 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 4: is crazy. 568 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 3: I think that Vincent Donofrio makes or breaks the show 569 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 3: as much as I do. I think the main trick 570 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 3: you buy him, Karen Page, you need to buy him 571 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 3: as Yeah, the Karen Page, Charlie Cox, Foggy Nelson at 572 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 3: Murdoch all fantastic cast thing. They look like they're in 573 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 3: the comics. Their chemistry together is so good, So that's great. 574 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 3: But really for me, this is the Vincent Dinofrio show. 575 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 3: I love the kind of the way he shoots the 576 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 3: words out of his mouth, like bull It's Vanessa Vanessa, 577 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 3: Like I will listen to him talk in that voice 578 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 3: all day. 579 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 4: Other things that really stood out to me. 580 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 3: I think that something I think is very funny and 581 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 3: cool here that kind of happened earlier than a lot 582 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 3: of other movies and TV shows doing this is the 583 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 3: show is definitely in conversation with readers at least a 584 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,240 Speaker 3: little bit, because I love that when Foggy finds out 585 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 3: about Matt's secret life, he is really mad at him. 586 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 4: Because he's like, are you even blind? He's like, have 587 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 4: you just He's. 588 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 3: Like, I'm helping you around every day, but you can 589 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 3: sense everything. And he's like I'm nodding and you know 590 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 3: I'm nodding right, And Matt's like yeah. And I think 591 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 3: that's really funny because one, they do it in a 592 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 3: way that feels very real and like you would be 593 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 3: really pissed off and they sell it. 594 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: But also yeah, wait, wait, so like you're you don't 595 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: really know where you're. 596 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 4: Not, like come on bo. 597 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like a big conversation in the disability community 598 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 3: about Matt Murdock in the comic book community. 599 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 4: So I think I thought that was really great. 600 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 3: I do think it's too long, Like, I know, people 601 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 3: love this show, but I thirteen hours, I don't think. 602 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,879 Speaker 3: I think they could have done double what they did 603 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 3: in the same thirteen hours, or they could have cut 604 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 3: it down to nine hours and it would have been 605 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 3: like the snappiest, most impactful show ever. But at the time, 606 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 3: you know, this is very much in those early kind 607 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 3: of at what we call prest these TV nowadays days. 608 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 3: The opening for this, the credit sequence, is one of 609 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 3: the most influential credit sequences of all times. Shows are 610 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 3: still trying to make a credit sequence like that, with 611 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 3: the kind of blood and the wax going over the 612 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 3: faces of the characters and Lady Justice. Yeah, I thought 613 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,320 Speaker 3: it was great. I do think I agree with pretty 614 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 3: much everything you said. But the main thing is just 615 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 3: like the action, and also if you were there, if 616 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 3: you're old like us, if you're watching this nine years ago, 617 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 3: I still do remember the excitement of like a real 618 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 3: street level team, you know, And I think the biggest 619 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 3: thing that even though the show was long, I do 620 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 3: think the finale sticks the landing it manages to wrap 621 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 3: up the loose end, set up what you want from 622 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 3: a season two. I think that you get some really 623 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 3: interesting stuff because Matt has chosen not to reveal who 624 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 3: he is to Karen, which, if you've ever read a 625 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 3: Spider Man story, is a terrible idea will always come 626 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 3: back to bite you in the bar and is not 627 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 3: healthy or good. But you still get the beginnings of 628 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 3: some chemistry between them. This is before Dared Evil went 629 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 3: fully into Matt being. 630 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 4: Like a Lathario. 631 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 3: This is kind of still a little bit of your 632 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 3: innocent Matt. I think Stephen at de Night had spoken 633 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 3: quite extensibly at the time about the violence being the 634 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 3: adult part, and they wanted to kind of lure people 635 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,240 Speaker 3: in with that and get them comfortable with it before 636 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 3: any sex. And there wasn't really a sexual, big sexual 637 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 3: element to Dead Devil, but the rest of the Defenders 638 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 3: Jessica Jones later seasons of Dead Devil definitely changed that. 639 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 3: I mean, Matt Murdoch has always been a character that 640 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 3: people have crushes on, but I think Charlie Cox Matt 641 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 3: Murdoch expanded that exponentially. Yeah, I think generally this is 642 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 3: like I'm glad that at the time we knew we 643 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 3: had it so good, because we haven't. 644 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 4: Really had it so good for a long time. 645 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 3: And at the time we knew we knew, we were like, 646 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,720 Speaker 3: we're eating and this is delicious, and it's gonna nourish 647 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 3: us and serve us well. 648 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 4: And it's an interesting. 649 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 3: Part of what the MCU used to be when there 650 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,359 Speaker 3: was a little bit more separation between church and state, 651 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 3: let's say, like TV and movies. 652 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm very interested in it. 653 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,399 Speaker 3: But what I want to know is, like, for you 654 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 3: from watching it, what do you feel like your main 655 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 3: takeaways where like, Wow, the impact of this show, Like 656 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 3: how have you seen it change things over the years. 657 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 2: I think the impact of the show is there is 658 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 2: the level is the action and the level of violence. 659 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 2: I think it's set a standard that you saw start 660 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 2: to affect the MCU in like you know, Captain America, 661 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 2: Winter Soldier, and in the kind of ex style of 662 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 2: action and in some of Disney Plus's Marvel television offerings, 663 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 2: and just the way the fights are. I think that 664 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 2: the main you know, think about the fans of this 665 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 2: show from the Netflix era, their initial reaction to the 666 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,919 Speaker 2: announcement that Daredevil would coming to the MCU and that 667 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 2: Born Again would be his first kind of like TV 668 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 2: title on Disney Plus was will it be as hard hitting? 669 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 2: That's really the thing, and that's to me, more than anything, 670 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,919 Speaker 2: the influence that Daredevil has, And I think that when 671 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 2: we talked about it before, I think street level is 672 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:17,399 Speaker 2: a big hole in Marvel stuff, like we've immediately transcended 673 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 2: in the films to cosmic threats, multiversal threats, you know, 674 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 2: fighting in and outside of the timeline, different versions. 675 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,320 Speaker 4: Of branches of the tree of life. And it's. 676 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 2: Of that that we're ignoring a really rich tradition of 677 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 2: like street level heroes, and I think Daredevil points the way. 678 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 2: So it mays to be seen what the influence is, 679 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 2: but I think one of the things that we can 680 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 2: say is its influence is in the fact that they 681 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,280 Speaker 2: got it right with the casting. It was announced, for instance, 682 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 2: that Foggy and Karen would both be in Born Again. 683 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,399 Speaker 2: This is essentially a retcon of stuff that happened at 684 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 2: the end of seasons two and three of Daredevil, So 685 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 2: those characters are going to be around, and that to 686 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,919 Speaker 2: me is like a tacit emission that you know what, 687 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,439 Speaker 2: one it's really hard to have a Daredavil story without 688 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 2: Karen and Froggy. 689 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:21,800 Speaker 4: And two. 690 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: Netflix did it right. 691 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 2: Whatever the thing was too long, too many floppy plotlines 692 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 2: are fine, but. 693 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:30,839 Speaker 1: They got it right. 694 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 2: The core of it really really worked, and so we 695 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 2: have to bring them back, including bringing back I think Vanessa. 696 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 2: It was announced on it was reported, and I think 697 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 2: it was Business Insider had that the actor who plays 698 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 2: Vanessa said that in the canon, the fictional canon that's 699 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 2: you know, kind of like ongoing right now, is that 700 00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 2: Vanessa took over the rackets when Wilson went. Yeah, I 701 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 2: love that after season three, which I love that because. 702 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 4: She's such a brilliant actor. I think you're right. I 703 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 4: think those are the main things. 704 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,919 Speaker 3: I will also say, so, this show came out before 705 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 3: I moved here, and then when I moved here, I 706 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 3: did a lot of coverage in like twenty sixteen, like 707 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,800 Speaker 3: twenty seventeen onwards to for the CW. 708 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:20,720 Speaker 4: Arrow Verse shows. 709 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,319 Speaker 3: And obviously we don't necessarily think about those shows as 710 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 3: having like hard hitting action because they were on broadcast TV. 711 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,359 Speaker 4: They don't have the brutality. 712 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 3: But what I will say is, whenever I went to 713 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 3: those sets, they had a full blown stunt team really 714 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 3: putting together intricate, ongoing action shots important big superhero fights, 715 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 3: and I definitely felt like without dead Level, that wouldn't necessarily. 716 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 4: Have become such a hallmark of what you need, Like 717 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 4: you need. 718 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 3: To have somebody who's gonna make you go whoa, Like 719 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 3: you can't just get away with the flash flash running 720 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,800 Speaker 3: fast around someone. You have to have a street level 721 00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 3: hero like Guardian or something that's gonna be there beating 722 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 3: the stuffing out of people, and you have to have 723 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 3: good stump work, and you have to have interesting fight scenes. 724 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,880 Speaker 3: So I think you're right. I think that's the biggest 725 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 3: ongoing impact. I also think that this is a series 726 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:22,400 Speaker 3: that established superhero storytelling as something that people who maybe 727 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 3: didn't usually watch superhero stuff, who didn't watch Marvel, they 728 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 3: wanted to watch it. 729 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,480 Speaker 4: They saw it on Netflix, they wanted to be get. 730 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:34,320 Speaker 2: Like fans of NCIS or like or like Navy Seals 731 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 2: or any of those kind of like s for you, 732 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 2: like CBS action y kind of procedurals, they might be 733 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 2: attracted to a show like this. You're exactly right. Any 734 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,839 Speaker 2: final thoughts on Daredevil Season one as we head into 735 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 2: our coverage of season two and three looking forward to 736 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 2: Daredevil boarding. 737 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 3: In final thoughts, I hope that this encourages people to 738 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 3: seek out more Dad level comics. 739 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 4: There's so many brilliant Dead level comics. 740 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,840 Speaker 3: I'm a Annie Nasenti Jr. 741 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,360 Speaker 4: J June JRJ Drummer. That's a point. 742 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 3: I'm a superstar of that run, the Typhoid Mary run. 743 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 3: You can collect that. 744 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 2: There's never I'll go further. There's never been a bad 745 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:22,399 Speaker 2: Dart level true. I think I think fantastic. I think 746 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 2: it punches above its weight. It is consistently one of 747 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,919 Speaker 2: the best things going in Marvel always. Maybe it's because 748 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 2: it's so insulated from like the ongoing events in the 749 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 2: wider Marvel six one six Cannon, but there are more 750 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 2: great runs in Daredevil than maybe any other comment. 751 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 4: I think that's pretty fair. 752 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 3: I would say like it's up there with X Men, 753 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,960 Speaker 3: and honestly X Men is once you get past clamor 754 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 3: becomes pretty spoty depending on what you like. 755 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 2: But the nineties get weird, you know. 756 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,400 Speaker 3: I love Jila, also, I love Barrrison, but definitely I 757 00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 3: think Dad Devil has a lot more access storylines. 758 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 4: Maybe we'll have to get Jewels on here. 759 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,359 Speaker 3: Actually because he did a great thing where he read 760 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 3: every Dead Level comic to rank them all for Notice, 761 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 3: which was really good. 762 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 4: I also would say if you want. 763 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,359 Speaker 3: To see more action like Dead Level, there is not 764 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 3: really more action like Dead Level in a whole series. 765 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,840 Speaker 3: But the pilot episode of Echo is the closest we 766 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 3: have come back to it. It has Dead Level in it. 767 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 3: There's a fantastic opening fight scene. 768 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,080 Speaker 4: Check that out. Also, our discord. 769 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 3: Is going absolutely crazy, big big fans of your friendly 770 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,919 Speaker 3: neighborhood spider Man, which I think is the closest we've 771 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,800 Speaker 3: gotten in the MCU of Yeah, the kind of street 772 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 3: level down and like who are your friends? How do 773 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 3: they back you up? And what does it mean to 774 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 3: be a hero in your community? Very different tones, and 775 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,720 Speaker 3: Dead Level makes an appearance, very different tone but super fun. 776 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:48,840 Speaker 4: And Yeah, I. 777 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,279 Speaker 3: Want the three things I want to continue from this 778 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,279 Speaker 3: show over our cast, chemistry, action. 779 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 4: And the way that this show just brings in so. 780 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,759 Speaker 3: Many random, outrageous comment but characters that you never thought 781 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 3: you were going to see. I love that stuff. Those 782 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,920 Speaker 3: are my three biggest things. What do you want to 783 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 3: make sure that comes over for Dad? Evil Born again? 784 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 2: I think my final takeaways are great season, but that 785 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,920 Speaker 2: there's it could even be better, and that Born Again 786 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 2: I think that there's real hope that it could actually 787 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 2: be something truly great because the procedural elements are kind 788 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,320 Speaker 2: of the weak pointed day are like you never really 789 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 2: get the Matt. 790 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 1: Murdoch in the courtroom like iconic moment. 791 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 2: Which would be great, right if you could tie together 792 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 2: some of these strands that way. And so I think 793 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 2: that by doubling down and really adding value in the 794 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:53,320 Speaker 2: procedural elements, the investigation elements, the courtroom stuff, give Foggy 795 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,360 Speaker 2: and Karen some real stuff to dig into. 796 00:45:58,880 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 4: I would love that. 797 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,880 Speaker 2: If though, if that element of the show is elevated 798 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,000 Speaker 2: to the level or anywhere near of the action elements, 799 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 2: the Dared Devil elements, I think you've got a show 800 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 2: that's not just like really good, but potentially great. And 801 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 2: so that's the thing that I come away with from 802 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 2: this season is really good season of television, and it 803 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,320 Speaker 2: could have been like great and maybe Born Again. 804 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,560 Speaker 4: Maybe it will be, Maybe it will be. I can't wait. 805 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 4: I'm so excited for this show. I'm for book club. 806 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,640 Speaker 3: I'm so stoked to see how many people are reading 807 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,719 Speaker 3: along and I think it's going to be a really 808 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,040 Speaker 3: interesting combo, especially leading into the show, which we're kind 809 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,840 Speaker 3: of now wondering how much is that just a title? 810 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,480 Speaker 4: Is it really gonna pull elements? And from that it's 811 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:46,720 Speaker 4: going to be interesting to see. 812 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,600 Speaker 2: Well. In the next few episodes of X ray Vision, 813 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,919 Speaker 2: we'll be recapping, of course, Daredevil seasons two and three 814 00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,400 Speaker 2: originally on Netflix you can find them now on Disney Plus, 815 00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,080 Speaker 2: and beginning our coverage of Born Again. That's it for 816 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:07,800 Speaker 2: this episode, Thanks for singing bye. X ray Vision is 817 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,400 Speaker 2: hosted by Jason Spcion and Rosie Knight and is a 818 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:11,880 Speaker 2: production of iHeart Podcasts. 819 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,800 Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kurtman. 820 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar. 821 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,399 Speaker 3: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan, and Bay wag. 822 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,319 Speaker 2: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme 823 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kaufman. 824 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,200 Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and 825 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 3: Heidi our discord moderator.