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Speaker 1: Hey everybody. Hey, I'm sick. It sucks. It's not COVID.

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Speaker 1: At least several rapid tests have told me it's not COVID.

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Speaker 1: But I'm getting over it. But it's not fun. Nobody

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Speaker 1: likes being sick. Maybe maybe if you wouldn't it be

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Speaker 1: cool if you liked being sick. I was sure would

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Speaker 1: make being sick easier. I'm want a lot of cold

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Speaker 1: medicine right now. So I want to say a lot

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Speaker 1: of crazy things today I was gonna say. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it used to be something of a pastime for very board,

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Speaker 1: rich women who had nothing else to do make themselves interesting.

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Speaker 1: They would say they had all kinds of just I

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Speaker 1: have a weak constitution, or I have i've vapors, or

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Speaker 1: everything makes you so upset, you know, And it's just

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Speaker 1: the way, because you just said nothing else. It was

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Speaker 1: just a personality trait kind of okay. I mean it's

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Speaker 1: a common stereotype anyway. I don't know how real it is.

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Speaker 1: It's a common stereotype that women rich and board we're like,

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Speaker 1: this is the thing I can do to make myself

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Speaker 1: an interesting. Well, you know Deborah loves horses, and Susan, well,

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Speaker 1: she's always sick and there are people like that. They're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: my sickness is what makes me interesting. I mean, yeah, no, definitely,

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Speaker 1: I know those people for sure. Yeah, but I feel crappy.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you. But hey, but that's uh, that's making

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Speaker 1: today's episode a little different because I have Diana research

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Speaker 1: this story and I haven't even been focused enough to

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Speaker 1: look at it. So today Diana is going to tell

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Speaker 1: you this story and I'm just gonna chime in on

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Speaker 1: cough medicine, take a little more, just to make it

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Speaker 1: more interesting. Man, I'll tell you what drugs hit me hard,

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Speaker 1: like all of them and uh, and I just took

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Speaker 1: the regular like uh dextro thor fan whatever it's called,

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Speaker 1: just a cough suppressant. This is the kind of stuff

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Speaker 1: people take like whole boxes of because they want to

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Speaker 1: trip and see, God, don't do that. It can kill

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Speaker 1: you and seriously screw up your liver. Um. But I

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Speaker 1: take one and I'm like walking on clouds, like I

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Speaker 1: don't know where I am. I'm just spinning in circles

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Speaker 1: in my own mind. And then I look around and

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not spending in circles at all. No,

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Speaker 1: it'd be more funny if you were, but here I

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Speaker 1: am entertained circles. Brain would liquify right now. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: would be funny for a minute, and then it would

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Speaker 1: be not funny at all. Stay tragic. So Dan is

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Speaker 1: gonna tell you this story. I'm going to chime in,

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Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna go in and I'm gonna edit

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Speaker 1: out all my sniffles and coughs. It's gonna be great.

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Speaker 1: We just we didn't want to. We didn't want to

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Speaker 1: take the week off. This is what having a strong

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Speaker 1: partnership is like. You got somebody to pick up the

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Speaker 1: slack and you can't handle it, and I can't handle

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Speaker 1: it well. And this story is pretty timely because it's

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Speaker 1: about it's a bit of a slide joke on birth control,

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Speaker 1: so it wasn't intentional and didn't know we're going to

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Speaker 1: get a leaked draft from the Supreme Court this week.

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Speaker 1: But but it turns out to be pretty timely story,

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Speaker 1: so not as fun as like the Star Wars script

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a color amount of anger on the internet. Bad.

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Speaker 1: Those two parallel problems Star Wars script leaking and whatever's

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Speaker 1: gonna court right now, same exact issue. I was canceled

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Speaker 1: myself now, thank you? See yourself active the cold medicine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: blame it on the cold, but hey, I could blame

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Speaker 1: everything today on that. Well watch yourself. Okay. Unfortunately, you

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Speaker 1: edit this so you can always be like, oh that's true.

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Speaker 1: I don't love it. Maybe I should sober up before

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Speaker 1: I edit it. Oh god, Well anyway, let's get this

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Speaker 1: Derby on its role. How do you start a Derby? God,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know this story. You did

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Speaker 1: a soapbox Derby as a kid, didn't you. I didn't

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Speaker 1: have the car. Excuse me. I did a pine box.

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Speaker 1: That's what I don't know what a soapbox Derby is.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a little cart, right yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: because it's big enough. You did the pine box with Derby,

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Speaker 1: a little like six inch car rolls down a ramp

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Speaker 1: in the church basement. Well, had they started with like

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Speaker 1: a gun shooting in the air? Whistle? I was like seven, Well,

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Speaker 1: So this story actually came to us from Lauren Rockburne

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Speaker 1: on Instagram. She told us about this story quite a

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Speaker 1: interesting one. I was like, I gotta go back to that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Lauren for this suggestion from months and months ago.

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Speaker 1: Charles vance Millar died on Halloween Night in nineteen six

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Speaker 1: a very rich man and a childless bachelor. So everyone

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Speaker 1: in his hometown of Toronto, Canada was really interested in

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Speaker 1: who was going to get his vast fortune. But it

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Speaker 1: would take ten years to work it out because Charles

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Speaker 1: kicked off a truly insane contest. He left the bulk

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Speaker 1: in the decade after his death. So let's hear about

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Speaker 1: this eccentric weirdo and the great stork derby. What right,

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Speaker 1: let's go, Hey their French come listen. Well, Elia and

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Speaker 1: Diana got some joys to tell. There's no matchmaking a

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Speaker 1: romantic tips. It's just about ridiculous relationships, a lover. It

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Speaker 1: might be any type of person at all, and abstract

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Speaker 1: concept a concrete wall. But if there's a story with

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Speaker 1: So Charles vance Millar was a lawyer in Toronto, apparently

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Speaker 1: graduated very high marks in his class, super smart, sharp guy.

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Speaker 1: He opened his own law office. He bought property, invested

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Speaker 1: his own racehorses. So those guys just got money coming

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Speaker 1: in from all kinds of places. And he was a

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Speaker 1: confirmed bachelor. Apparently while he was in law school he

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Speaker 1: was jilted by a girl from a prominent family and

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Speaker 1: he never had another serious relationship again. Mark Orkin is

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Speaker 1: the author of a book called The Great stork Derby,

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Speaker 1: which is all about this whole contest and everything, and

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Speaker 1: he wrote quote shy and supremely self confident, gregarious and

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Speaker 1: yet lonely, a prudent, even cautious gambler, utterly cynical, yet

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Speaker 1: sentimentalist withal Miller was a queer bundle of contradictions. He

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Speaker 1: was also famously a practical joker, and he mostly played

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Speaker 1: on people's read He thought, quote, every man has his price,

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Speaker 1: and so basically it was like his favorite joke to

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Speaker 1: you know? Silly? You would act for so much. He's

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna toy with people. Yeah, pretty much. Hey, hey, uh,

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Speaker 1: this guy seems down on his luck. Let me see

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Speaker 1: how much it would how much I'd have to pay

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Speaker 1: him to get him to punch himself in the face

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Speaker 1: a few times. I bet it's not as much as

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Speaker 1: you'd think. Every man has his pricey five dollars. One

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Speaker 1: of his favorite jokes allegedly was to drop a dollar

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Speaker 1: and watch people like surreptitiously look around and then like

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Speaker 1: furtively like shove the money in their pockets and walk away.

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Speaker 1: That's not a prank, I know, it's like that's actually

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Speaker 1: kind of like nice charity everybody. I'm imagining him like

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Speaker 1: rolling on the ground laughing like ha ha. That guy

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Speaker 1: was happy to find a fifteen bucks. Who wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: happy to find fifteen dollars? And also, it's only fifteen bucks,

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Speaker 1: it's not like even well, I better go to the

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Speaker 1: police station and find the owner of this money, like

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Speaker 1: you might with a giant briefcase full of like thousands

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Speaker 1: defense on the days. Here's the thing, I just want

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Speaker 1: to find a briefcase full of cash one day, just

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Speaker 1: to just to know myself. And it would depend right,

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Speaker 1: like a few years ago when I was waiting tables

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Speaker 1: and I made about four a month, Yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: have reacted differently to a briefcase for money than I

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Speaker 1: do today, where I have a partner and we're both

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Speaker 1: for just money pranks. Yeah, money pranks, laughing a little

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Speaker 1: bit about the greed of his fellow man. Uh huh.

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Speaker 1: That guy took a dollar off the ground, so greedy.

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Speaker 1: A good person would have just left it there and

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Speaker 1: starved tonight. So anyway, when Charles died at seventy three

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Speaker 1: years old on Halloween night, spooky also right the way night,

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Speaker 1: apparently from a heart attack. He was in the middle

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Speaker 1: like collapse in the middle of a conversation, terrible night

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Speaker 1: for Charles Kemp, Well, are you kidding? Meet Charles Kemp

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Speaker 1: is probably like a good one. Good throwing water on

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Speaker 1: him and be like, where where did you hide the dollar?

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Speaker 1: I'll pick it up, you know I will. Also what

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Speaker 1: a shitty Halloween night? Charles Kemp and Charles Miller on

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Speaker 1: Halloween are like, let's hang out and discuss a law case.

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Speaker 1: Go out and do something fun. Leave dollar bills for

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Speaker 1: some trick or treaters or something. I was going to say,

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Speaker 1: He came to the house. Do you think he gave

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Speaker 1: going to like rich neighborhoods and it would be like Dennis,

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Speaker 1: that would give you a toothbrush, and You're like, I

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Speaker 1: size candy bars exactly. Come on, guys, otherwise you know

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Speaker 1: knows what's gonna happen. Oh my god, teamsters are coming.

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Speaker 1: really no surprise that Charles Will turned out to be

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Speaker 1: his executors thought his will was a fake. He said, quote,

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Speaker 1: uncommon and capricious because I have no dependence or near relations,

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Speaker 1: and no duty rests upon me to leave any property

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Speaker 1: at my death. And what I do leave is proof

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Speaker 1: of my folly in gathering and retaining more than I

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Speaker 1: required in my lifetime. I love enrich people. You know,

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Speaker 1: at the end, they're like, boy, I really overdid it

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Speaker 1: didn't tie? And I'm like, yeah, you could have. You

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Speaker 1: could have recognized that when you were thirty seven. You know,

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Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't make it okay if you when you

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Speaker 1: all that cash, stooge McDuck, Like, well, I had fun

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Speaker 1: I guess. It also says that Millar was never known

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Speaker 1: while you're alive, right, Well, to him, it was it

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Speaker 1: this absurd amount of money. I don't need all this. Oh,

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Speaker 1: people are dying as today I found out. Dot Com

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Speaker 1: Because Midsummer's Eve is June twenty one, was a celebration

425
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Speaker 1: of the summer solstice, marriage and fertility in pagan cultures,

426
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: so a lot of babies get conceived around that time,

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Speaker 1: and then they're born in Mar in April of the

428
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Speaker 1: next year, and March and April happens to be when

429
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: storks are actively migrating from south to north, so they're

430
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: like in the sky a lot. So then babies are

431
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Speaker 1: coming and there's storks. So maybe people made a connection

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Speaker 1: that way kind of I'm guessing one time, way back

433
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Speaker 1: in the BC era, a stork picked up a baby, right,

434
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: stork picked up a baby, dropped it off somewhere a

435
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: few miles south, and that just kicked it off for

436
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: the story spread from there and uh, and we're still

437
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: telling it today. So there's some cave cave woman mother

438
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: who's devastated by the loss of her baby. Mother cave

439
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: woman mother who's like, oh, baby from storks. Maybe it's

440
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: the Maybe it's the oldest story. There is a stork

441
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: stole a baby, grabbed, grabbed a little you know, the

442
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: white cloth, a little not at the top, just grabbed that.

443
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: It's beak, you know the image. Yeah, he's got a

444
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: little a little messenger hat on course postal service. He's

445
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: got a mail bag on his side too. And know

446
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: what's in the bag? Is he also delivering mail? Other

447
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: babies in there? It's a little you know, it's the card.

448
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: Here's your baby. Oh cute you get a card. When

449
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: you got a card with a baby. It'd be rude

450
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: to just drop a baby. I'd be like, where the

451
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 1: hell did this come from? Oh? The stork dropped it off.

452
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: There's a Card's love. Stork clears it all up. Um

453
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: and Hans Christian Anderson also popularized the stork myth in

454
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: his short story The Stork That Guy, although in true

455
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: fable fashion, the story is a lot darker than you'd expect,

456
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: because the story is that storks were flying above a

457
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: village and they were teased by a young boy, so

458
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: they retaliate by delivering a dead baby to his help.

459
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god, damn their sins to take a real person.

460
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: And then in another German story, babies were hatched from

461
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: stones that children threw over their heads to tell storks

462
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: they wanted siblings. I don't know, I don't know, but

463
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: like you said, I think mostly it was just a

464
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: convenient way to tell tell kids where babies came from

465
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: without having to have the sex talk, even though it's

466
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: so much weirder to think that, like, oh, a bird

467
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: plucks a baby out of a pond and brings it

468
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: to my house. That's not weirder than just below two

469
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: people put their bodies together as nature intended. Well, I

470
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: hate to say the word vagina, so I'd better tell

471
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: you about this swamp baby. Wait, that's way easier on

472
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: your psyche small child. And the kids are like, okay,

473
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: are you telling me I was in a pond before that?

474
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: I don't remember that. So anyway, that's why it was

475
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: dubbed the Great Stork Derby. But not everyone was into

476
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: this giant joke, as we said, you know, some people

477
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: thought he was just the worst person in the world

478
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: coming up with this idea, all right, and like, I

479
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: kind of feel out with myself, and the Ontario government

480
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: called it, quote the most revolting and disgusting exhibition ever

481
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: put on in a civilized country. Well, and this is yeah,

482
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: I think we've had some more disgusting exhibitions. Gladiator battles.

483
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: Hasn't been too long since slavery at this point a

484
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: little more disgusting. But anyway, I understand they're hyperbole. Yes,

485
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: And in ninety two, the Ontario government even tried to

486
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Speaker 1: have the will nullified so they could give the money

487
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: to the University of Toronto. And various distant relatives of

488
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: Millar's also showed up over the years trying to be like,

489
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 1: I'm the next of kin, I should have all this

490
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: money and every right. But y'all, Millar had been a lawyer,

491
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:58,239
Speaker 1: and he had been a very good lawyer. Kind so

492
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: he wrote his will to be I are in clad. Eventually,

493
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: even Canada's Supreme Court got to look at it and

494
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: they said, yeah, y'all, this is valid. He wrote this

495
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: clause real well, if I may. They didn't say yeah,

496
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: y'all in Canada, they said this will is pretty valid

497
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: as right. I'm gonna go boot for a second, but

498
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: now I'm back. Sorry about this story, story a story,

499
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: aboot it, but this show is valid. Sorry, Canada, let's

500
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: go drink some maple styrup about it. Canada, y'all are

501
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: our number two listeners on this podcast, and we love

502
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: you so much, we really do. We're probably gonna move

503
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: to Canada one day. It's funny because the UK used

504
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: the UK and Canada have been watching the numbers used

505
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: to kind of vie for that second spot underneath the

506
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: US for our listeners. And I think we've been ragging

507
00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: too hard on the English because they were like, Canada's

508
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: a hard number two right now. Well, here's where we

509
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: lose them all. I guess they're terrible Canadian accents. Yeah. So,

510
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: however they said it, they validated the will and also

511
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: the ridiculous baby race that it began, so the government

512
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: everyone else had to withdraw their claims and wait for

513
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: the baby count of Halloween nineteen thirty six to roll around. Wow,

514
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: this ten years, I can't believe it. It's crazy. And

515
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: the prize only got better with time, by the way,

516
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: because first of all, the Great Depression hit Canada nearly

517
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: as badly as it hit America. Unemployment hit nine the

518
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: people who were lucky enough to keep their jobs had

519
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: their wages had and more than of Toronto families were

520
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: living on government support by nine So this huge fortune

521
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: that you could win got real attractive, but the risk

522
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: is so much higher exactly. Also, secondly, Millar and his

523
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: executors were very savvy investors, because even in the depression,

524
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: Millar's fortune only grew. Right before he died, Millar bought

525
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: some land for only two dollars that's thirty bucks in

526
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: today's money, a whopping him ount for land that ended

527
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: up being used to construct the Detroit Windsor Tunnel, which

528
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: today is one of the busiest border crossing points between

529
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Speaker 1: the US and Canada. And owllcation dot com says that

530
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: allegedly Charles Millar got so mad about missing the ferry

531
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: between Detroit and Windsor that he bought the land and

532
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: invested in the project solely because he knew with the

533
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: fairies out of business, So petty petty spaghetti about missing

534
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: this ferry, which, by the way, whose fault is that

535
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: you miss a fairy? Is that the fairy's fault for

536
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: even on time? Or is it your fault for being late?

537
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: That's my question. Oh my god, did it leave early?

538
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: That would be the only reason to be mad at

539
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: the fairy about it? I've been on a few fairies

540
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: in my life, and I can tell you it's unlikely

541
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: that it left early amen to that, But this was

542
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: also ended up being a great business move. Once the

543
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: tunnel was built, the value of the land skyrocketed to

544
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars, which is nearly two million dollars today.

545
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: So by the time the contest was over, his four

546
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: point eight million dollar fortune in today's money had swelled

547
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: to over ten million dollars. And by the time the

548
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: courts were looking over the legitimacy of his will, in

549
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: several families took a little head count of their kids

550
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: and we're like, oh, you know what, I could be

551
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: eligible for this pride. How about we enter because we

552
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: got so many babies? Run around ten million and I mean, like,

553
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's ten million in today's money. In today's money,

554
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: how much does it cost to raise a kid from

555
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: a baby to eighteen years old? Like, I know when

556
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: I was a kid, it was it was estimated that

557
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: it cost about a hundred thousand dollars to raise a

558
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: kid for eighteen years or some things. So I feel

559
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: like it's got to be more than that. Now, how

560
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: much does it cost to raise a kid decoding digital

561
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: data quarter million, quarter mill. Okay, so if you were

562
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: the sole winner, that money would cover forty kids. Okay,

563
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: well that's a lot of kids. But you had to

564
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: pay for him before anyway, right, And that's if you win.

565
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: That's a big that's a lot more than two bucks

566
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: on the lottery. You know, it's a big investment. So

567
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: the closer the do date got, the more interest the

568
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: many women who were vying for the prize just got it.

569
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: You got because babies and the more interests. All these

570
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: ladies drew from the media because it was always good

571
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: for headline, you know. Slow day they're like, oh, let's

572
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: check in with one of these stork Derby competitors and

573
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: find out how many kids they got today. I guess

574
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, um. And it was just a really

575
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: good distraction from the depression, everybody's economic woes. You know,

576
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: they wanted something else to look at, sort of like

577
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: live Anny A Warren in general, Tom Thumb's wedding with

578
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: distraction from the Civil War was something else to think about.

579
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: Like today we got Kim and Pete, we all got

580
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: we always got something to look at besides what we

581
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: should be looking at. But as five thirty eight notes quote,

582
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: very few articles focused on the toll that the contest

583
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: would have on the desperately poor families trying to win. Newsweek,

584
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: for example, first referred to participant Lillian Kenny as a

585
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: contender for the derby before noting that one of her

586
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: babies had recently died from rat bites while living in

587
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: ghastly poverty. So the Globe kind of made a good point.

588
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: You know, we're kicking off a race to have as

589
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: many babies as possible, regardless of whether or not they're

590
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: going to be well fed or cared for. And now

591
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: you have literally a child that died from being eaten

592
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: by a rat or infected at least by a rat.

593
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: And ultimately over two dozen women had had at least

594
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: eight babies during the course of this contest. The deadline

595
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: to have your baby was midnight on Halloween night six.

596
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: So they talked about one lady who was unlike October nineteenth.

597
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: You know, they were like, Oh, she's really hoping this

598
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: baby shows up on top. You know, somebody gave birth

599
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: on like November one, r and was like, God, damn it,

600
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: that was number twelve or whatever. Girls so let's find

601
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: out who won the contest right after this commercial break

602
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: and welcome back to the show. So the Great Stork

603
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: Derby was finally over. The race had been run. I

604
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: guess you could call it finished, client crossed. The cord

605
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: had been snipped. Yeah, the placenta had been eaten, and

606
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: now water had finally broken on this contest, and now

607
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: it was time to find out who wanted. The placenta

608
00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: had been eaten. People, do you know me and eating things?

609
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 1: I have a hard time with eating regular food sometimes. Well,

610
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: it's time to find out who won, and the decider

611
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: was judged. William Middleton and thirty two lawyers, by the way,

612
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: showed up to the initial hearing, and they were representing

613
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: all the interested families. And it's pretty straightforward at first, right,

614
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: So there, any woman with less than nine kids under

615
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: the age of ten was immediately dismissed because they didn't

616
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: have enough kids. Right, they showed up with six or seven.

617
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: It was like, sorry, get that puny family out of here.

618
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: Kid eight children, you disgust me, Try harder next time.

619
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: She's like, I'll be having my tent tomorrow. Well, that

620
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: left six families in contention. One woman Pauline Clark actually

621
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: had ten babies within the time, but five of them

622
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: were with her husband and the other five were with

623
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: a man she lived with after she left her husband.

624
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: But I guess because they had not got divorced and

625
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: she was remarried and everything, Middleton said, five of the

626
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 1: kids were not legitimate and therefore did not count toward

627
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: the prize. Man, you know, this is like one of

628
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: those I think about this with acting a lot, when

629
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: casting directors are going through resumes and like it can

630
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: feel really personal, but they just need anything right to

631
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 1: sort through the number of people that they have to

632
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: to just take people off the list, Like I just

633
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: everyone everyone's a winner here, but not everyone can win,

634
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: So I just need anything to trim the stack down. Yeah,

635
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: I thought the same, and he definitely was like, well,

636
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 1: you know, children in a in a legal document always

637
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: means legitimate children and it doesn't usually refer to any

638
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: children that you have at a wedlock or something, but

639
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: I know it means exactly like, you don't need to

640
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: protect those kids. Because he didn't feel like marrying the

641
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: lady anyway, So she got disqualified, and another woman named

642
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: Grace Beignado had ten babies too, but she was also

643
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: disqualified because her husband was an illegal Italian immigrant, and

644
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 1: the authorities were like, no money for you. I guess, wow,

645
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: very weird, because I wish Grace had been like but

646
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: I've had ten Canadian citizens and they were like, no,

647
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: and we thank you for your babies and they'll be

648
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: great hockey players one day. Now. Lillian Kinny, who we

649
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: talked about a little earlier, she would have been the

650
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: clear winner. She had given birth to eleven children in

651
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: ten years. How do you mean, how do you even

652
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: do it? Can you imagine if you had twins in

653
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: this period, you must have felt like you hit the

654
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: jackpot for real, which I did. Five thirty eight kind

655
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: of had a whole breakdown of the science of how

656
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: to have as many babies as possible within years and

657
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: how they might have done it or something, and how

658
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: fertility cycles kind of work. And they were saying that

659
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: because there wasn't any like hormone treatments or fertility treatments

660
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: at this time. I don't think many of them did

661
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: have twins. They it every year they had another, you know,

662
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: they were like my kids back yeah, sixteen fifteen, fourteen, thirteen, twelve, eleven.

663
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: You know, on the delivery room table, they're like, babies out, Hubby,

664
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: get over here, get in here. Yeah, well, and that's

665
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: what they were talking about five thirty eight, because they

666
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: were like, oh, there's definitely you you're not fertile for

667
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: like three months after you give birth. Also, if you breastfeed,

668
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: that affects your fertility for longer, so you might not choose.

669
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: You might choose to not breastfeeds so that you can

670
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: get fertile more quickly, so that you can have an

671
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: Like it was just a whole lot of science about it,

672
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: and they didn't have five you know, I'm sure there

673
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: were doctors they could consult with, but a lot of

674
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 1: them were probably just like, alright, had one baby, let's

675
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: try in the next one. Yeah, they said, you know,

676
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: they had a crude idea. You know, kind of you

677
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: when your cycle was happening, You kind of knew when

678
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: you were most fertile, so people would still do that

679
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: rhythm method of trying to you know, a birth control

680
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: or whatever. So you had a crude idea. But yeah,

681
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: you didn't have any of this information. You were just like,

682
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: I guess let's just do it every night until I

683
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: get pregnant. So anyway, Lilian had you know, freaking been

684
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: in labor since for ten years, it seems like. But

685
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: apparently her claim was tossed out because some of her

686
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: children had died were called those rabbites, and two were

687
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: still born. That's pretty cold hearted, I have to say.

688
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 1: Middleton wrote, quote, I think that a child is live

689
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: born when it proceeds entirely from the mother and becomes

690
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: a separate, living person. This generally is evidenced by the

691
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: child establishing an independent blood circulation and its ability to breathe.

692
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: A child born dead is not, in truth a child.

693
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: It was that which might have been a child. Interesting,

694
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: how interesting again just a timely It was just a

695
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: crazy thing to read with all this going on in

696
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: our own country now, of what counts as a as

697
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: a living person and that right, wow, well you didn't

698
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: want to give him money, but okay. And then he

699
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: also went on to talk about how ultimately the witches

700
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: didn't lie to my Beth because they told him he

701
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: quote need fear none of women born and McDuff had

702
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: been quote from his mother's womb untimely ripped, so he

703
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: was like using Macbeth the play as his like as

704
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: like reasoning legal precedent. Yeah, and I'm sure Lilliam's like

705
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: thanks for the poetry, bro, like I don't give a

706
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: funk about Shakespeare right now. I'm sorry. Was Shakespeare a

707
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: Canadian lawyer? I missed that part of history class? He

708
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: was like, one cannot help but recall the words. It

709
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: was like, one can help and recall. Okay, we don't

710
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: need to know about that of justice. William Shakespeare who

711
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: started his landmark case McBeth vy McDuff Macbeth v. The

712
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: Witches as because they told him don't worry you don't

713
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: no one will kill you. But then he got killed.

714
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. So anyway, all that, all those decisions

715
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: left four women with a legit claim to the massive

716
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: Charles vance Mallow Our fortune. They were Annie Katherine Smith,

717
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: Lucy Alice tim Leck, Kathleen Ellen Nagle, and Isabelle Mary McLean.

718
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 1: And they each had nine duly registered legitimate alive children

719
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: within ten years, thirty six kids between them. And they

720
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: each received a hundred and twenty five thousand dollars or

721
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: two point six million dollars today. Let's see, uh, and

722
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: if it cost two five thousand dollars to raise a baby.

723
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: Nine babies would be two and a quarter million dollars,

724
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: so most of it. So they covered their baby raising

725
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: only the ones they had within those ten years, because

726
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: they say how older and also younger now, Lucy tim

727
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: Like did make a point to tell a reporter quote,

728
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: I think birth control is a wonderful thing. I am

729
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: sorry in one way that birth control information wasn't available

730
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: years ago. I know mothers who would have welcomed such knowledge.

731
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: No ship, I'm so glad that Lucy was like, actually,

732
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: it's great to have want all this money and everything,

733
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: but I would love to have had like a normal

734
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: five children instead of ten. And these ladies spent their

735
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: earnings on their children's educations and family homes. But they

736
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 1: also had to repay any relief money that they may

737
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: have lived on prior to winning. So they had to

738
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 1: return a lot. If they did live on government relief

739
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: during the depression, they had to return that money. And

740
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: before you get mad, like I did, just know that

741
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: Pauline Clark and Lilian Kenny were not left completely out

742
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: of this contest because see Charles vance Millar had never

743
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 1: said a single word about legitimate or only alive children

744
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: being eligible. He just said they had to be registered

745
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: and that they had to be born within ten the

746
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: ten year period, so he didn't say nothing about them

747
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: having to still be alive and stuff like that. So

748
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: Pauline and Lilian had a real legal case against that decision.

749
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: So they were given about two hundred thousand dollars each

750
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: in today's money as like a consolation prize. Apparently they

751
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: started some legal proceedings and basically it was like, can

752
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: we just give you this money so you will suck

753
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: off be done with this, and they took it. Lillian

754
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: apparently bought herself a stealskin coat and a trip to

755
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: Niagara Falls, which, as History of yesterday dot com says, quote,

756
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: after ten years of giving birth, she definitely deserved both.

757
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: And I was like, she was like, yeah, yeah, children's educations.

758
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: I'm buying myself a nice coat and taking myself out

759
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: of town. I don't care. We all do while I'm out.

760
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: Imagine her on the delivery table for the fifth time,

761
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: being like it'll all be worth of her a trip

762
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: to Niagara Falls, I know, of all places, she didn't

763
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: go to Italy or something. So the Great Stork Derby

764
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: was over. Charles Vance Millar's entire fortune was finally bequeathed,

765
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: and ultimately the millionaire who never married or had a family,

766
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: who lived alone the hotel room until he had a

767
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 1: house built for his mother and lived with her until

768
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: her death, and would sometimes sleep out on the roof

769
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 1: in order to quote keep myself hard, ended up having

770
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: thirty six children who thought of him fondly. But according

771
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 1: to Mark Origin, the author of The Great Store Derby,

772
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: he doesn't think that the Derby actually would have made

773
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: much of a difference in the amount of births that

774
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: happened in this ten years. He wrote, quote why did

775
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: the mothers do it? It seems perfectly clear that they

776
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: had large families because they loved and wanted children. The

777
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: prize was certainly not irrelevant, and the mothers would not

778
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: have been human if they had so regarded it, given

779
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: the economic situation in which most of them found themselves.

780
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: But everything confirms that the four winning mothers would have

781
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: had their thirty six children if Charlie Millar had died.

782
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 1: Broke conjecture. I think it is conjecture. I mean, it's

783
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: possible that it's true that if you have an active

784
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: sex life in your marriage and you don't have birth control,

785
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: you can get pregnant that many times. Definitely, you know

786
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: your body works that way. Um, so it's possible that, yeah,

787
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: Lily and Kenny would have had eleven kids no matter what.

788
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: And that's sort of the whole point. I mean, according

789
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: to some the whole point Charles was trying to make

790
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: was maybe they shouldn't have eleven children, Maybe they should

791
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: have a way to go. I'd like to still have

792
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: sex with my husband and not have eleven children. I

793
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: think we have enough kids and we just still want

794
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: to enjoy each other physically. Is that not a thing

795
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: I can do? You know? And maybe these moms were like, no,

796
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: of course they're going to say, I love all my

797
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: children now, I'm so happy to have them. I mean,

798
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people say that about having kids,

799
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: expect or plan for whatever. So anyway, it's just it's

800
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: hard to know for sure if he's actually right about

801
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: that or if it's legit is. I didn't have the

802
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: birth control and so I thought, fine, we'll enter this

803
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: price if I get this money again. To me, less

804
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: about the four women who won the contest, and more

805
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: about there were definitely don't care which way you slice it.

806
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: There were women out there who were trying to win this.

807
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: There must have been some people who were actively having

808
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: children they maybe I would not have otherwise had in

809
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: order to try and win this insane financial prize that

810
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: would have totally fixed all their problems in life. And

811
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: then they didn't win, and now they're left in a

812
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: much worse situation than they might have otherwise been been

813
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: in had they not been offered this absurd temptation. Right. Yeah,

814
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 1: he does say these four women specifically, but nothing about

815
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: the women who didn't win, and whether or not, as

816
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: you say, they were not competing instead of just having

817
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: natural children whenever it happened to happen, and then counting

818
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: them up and going, hey, I might have enough to

819
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,919
Speaker 1: be viable. I don't know. There's something to be said

820
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: about personal responsibility. And it's like, well, you entered this contest,

821
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: you knew the risks, you knew that you might have

822
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: all these kids and not win all that money and stuff.

823
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: But it's kind of a rigged game too, because it's

824
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: stacked against you and the prize is blinding right, Like,

825
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm in a tough spot and this could really save

826
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: my life and my future I'm going to make irrational

827
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: decisions trying to win it, and that's I think that's

828
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: a little unfair. Yeah, I mean, I will say I

829
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: do want to stress that I'm not sure anybody in

830
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: nine was like, let me start having babies to this context.

831
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: I do think that as it got closer to the

832
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: ten year mark, they sort of we're going, how many

833
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: kids do I have anyway? And is it enough to

834
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: make me a contender? But um, but I feel you

835
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: it it is. I mean, I think he kind of

836
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: Charles Millark kind of made his point a little bit

837
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: of like this is a crazy thing to ask anyone

838
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: to do, whether they're going to get money or not.

839
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: It's insane for women to have that many children period.

840
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: Like I think that's kind of what he was trying

841
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: to say, even if you can pay for them, even

842
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: if there are millions of dollars waiting for you, maybe

843
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: he shouldn't have that many kids, or maybe not as

844
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: much as like you shouldn't have that many kids, but

845
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: like you shouldn't have to have that many kids if

846
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: you want to have sex. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah,

847
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: not so much condemning like people who have a lot

848
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: of kids, but just like people who end up having

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Speaker 1: a lot of kids just because they want to be

850
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Speaker 1: able to enjoy their sex life, right exactly. And again

851
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: that's what it's so frustrating about birth controls that people

852
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: are like, well, just don't have sex, and it's like, well,

853
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: there's people who are married who want to have sex.

854
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: You know. I know that comes as a surprise that

855
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 1: people who are married have sex, but but they do,

856
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: and they don't want to have kids every single time.

857
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: And again we're talking about a time when there's not

858
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Speaker 1: a lot of options for birth control out there, so

859
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, and I love in Downton Abbey how freaking

860
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: embarrassing it is to go buy a condom or a

861
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: diet or something like, oh, I have to send a

862
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 1: servant girl and she has to do it in secret,

863
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: and people were in a veil, like it's just so

864
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: slady to get a birth control today. It's in this

865
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: little brown paper bag exactly the street. You know. It's like,

866
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: so wow, it's just so weird to make it that

867
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: taboo that you don't you know that you want to

868
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: protect yourself from a very a lifetime consequence of a

869
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: one time thing. Sometimes a one time thing you know

870
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 1: who the real winners are here, these four women's husbands. Finally,

871
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: finally the men get something out of this. Lots of

872
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: sex and then millions of dollars. I mean, they had

873
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of kids, do but you're I don't know,

874
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: it's nineteen thirty six. They probably you know, it was

875
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: you know how gender roles were back then. They probably

876
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: spent a lot of their time at work, although depression

877
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: maybe they were home too, So who knows. Yeah that's

878
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: true too. I don't know, but yeah, it's it's funny

879
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: even with a lot of kids. Like I don't want

880
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: to denigrate anybody who has a lot of kids, but

881
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: you know, like those shows like nineteen Kids and counting

882
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: in that type of show, we have so many. I

883
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: remember talking to my grandma about this because she was

884
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: a little bit older than her two brothers, and she

885
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: was like, the problem with this is that the older

886
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: kids are parents. They're not getting a childhood because as

887
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 1: soon as they're old enough to hold a baby, they're

888
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: holding a baby. That's what happened to her. She's like,

889
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: I took care of my brothers, and my mom didn't

890
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: do anything for him. I was the main like figure,

891
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: and so she had a little resentment in her about

892
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: that because she felt like at some point, you know,

893
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: her childhood ended a lot earlier than it should have.

894
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: She was now a parent figure for her younger siblings.

895
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: Like I think in a big family, that's what happens

896
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: to the older kids and they don't really get a

897
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: chance to be a kid. And I was like, that's

898
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: a really yeah. I thought that was just an interesting perspective.

899
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: Of course, my family had two kids. It's not that

900
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: hard to split your attention between two people. We had four,

901
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: but we were all pretty close in age, I mean

902
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: three years apart each. Um. But you know, if your

903
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: older sister felt like a parent at all, anything, amnesty

904
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 1: you can call me. I don't think so. Um, I

905
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: didn't feel like she was my parents. But they would

906
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: babysit sometimes for sure, which is different because I mean

907
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: babysitting sure or whatever. But like I think she was

908
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: more like when I came home, I had to speak him,

909
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: I had to entertain them, I had to help him

910
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,959
Speaker 1: with her homework, Like it was just legit. Like Mom

911
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: was like, great, you're doing that and I'm doing something else. Um.

912
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: You know, well, I will say at five thirty eight

913
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: actually tracked down a living relative of a Derby kid,

914
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: so Kevin Timleck, who is about fifty nine years old. Now.

915
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: He's the son of Edward Timleck, who was Lucy Timleck's

916
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: youngest child, and he lives in Vancouver. He apparently has

917
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: over a hundred first cousins all over Canada, and the

918
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: article goes on to say, quote, while many of his

919
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: relatives have kept up with the tim Leck Irish Catholic

920
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: tradition of having large families, Kevin has only two children.

921
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: Why there's no money involved in it? He said, two millions.

922
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: Did you say, maybe the money had a lot more

923
00:52:55,600 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: weight than we thought. Wow. So that's the story of

924
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: the Great Stork Derby and how it has changed Canadian

925
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: demographics or maybe didn't. I don't know. Yeah, there's no

926
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: way to know, I guess without a time machine and

927
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: an alternate reality and a multiverse and all this stuff.

928
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, on on one hand, you look

929
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: at it and there's probably, uh, what has been to

930
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: three generations since then. There's probably hundreds of people around today, wonderful,

931
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: lovely Canadians who wouldn't be here were it not for

932
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: this contest and also might be here anyway, but they

933
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't have much generational wealth. Sure, I don't know. Also

934
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: a possibility, who knows, butterfly effect? Yeah, go back and

935
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: ripples and the pond or whatever. Yeah, we go back

936
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: and force Charles vance Millar to have a normal Halloween

937
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: night that night, and maybe it would all be different,

938
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: taking trick or tree eating. Imagine that he might not

939
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: have had his heart attack. Yeah, take him out door

940
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: to door to get candy. That would have him longer.

941
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: So great for your heart. Well, m mark Orkin had

942
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: said that, like Charles vance Miller wrote his will in

943
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: one and did not change it for five years. I

944
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: don't think he meant to change it. Fully meant for

945
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: this contest to happen, and he never changed his mind

946
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: about it. He thought it was hilarious. Yeah, he probably

947
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: was laughing the whole time. From him, If that's a thing,

948
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. He's rolling around on a on a pan

949
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: full of hot coals, laughing his flaming ass off as

950
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 1: he gets roasted, and Satan laughs with him. Yeah, get

951
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 1: into the frozen pond with you. Oh, we're going full

952
00:54:54,000 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: Virgil with him. Ah, the greatest tour guide ever. Well, Yeah,

953
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: thank thanks forgetting Yeah. Thanks again to Lauren Rockburn suggestion

954
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 1: it was a really fun rabbit hole to go down,

955
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 1: our storkhole to go down, I guess, oh yeah, storks

956
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 1: always poke their heads up out a hole. One hole

957
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: in a stork. Okay, we all got a hole anyway,

958
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: So I appreciate that story. Yeah, that's awesome. Thank you

959
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: Diana for telling us, telling me this story as well

960
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: as all our listeners. I hope that was fun. I

961
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: like that we usually tell the story together, but you know,

962
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: hopefully it was still fun for y'all to hear me

963
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 1: go on and on. Well in one day, I'm sure

964
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 1: I'll have to take over as Diana. You know, it's

965
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm laid up on a gurney right now. There's tissues

966
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 1: stuffed in both nostrils. UM. I muted the heart monitor,

967
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: but it's it's slowing down, UM, and tragedy approaches. I

968
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 1: probably this is probably it, but but we'll see. Maybe

969
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: the maybe the music next will kick in and I

970
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: might pull through for an episode later this week. I

971
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: might pull through. Pray for me. All your thoughts and

972
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: prayers appreciated. I'm sure by the time this airs, I'll

973
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: be fine. Oh yeah, you'll be listening to it like,

974
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 1: what was that bitching about. I didn't do that then?

975
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, this is the worst day of my life.

976
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: I am a human. I'm a I'm a I was

977
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: gonna say walking, but I'm not walking. I'm a I'm

978
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: a laying tragedy right now. Just pity me, That's what

979
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Flowers are appreciated. Cash is great. Uh, it's

980
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,439
Speaker 1: going to be a rough couple of years for us here.

981
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: It's like try to recuperate. But every wednest and all

982
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 1: your get well wishes to us. Ridic Romance at gmail

983
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: dot com, yes, or find us on Twitter and Instagram.

984
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,680
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985
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: and the show is at ridic Romance. We really appreciate

986
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: all of your nice messages and reviews and everything. We

987
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: do read them and they give us a hit of

988
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 1: serotonin like no others know that you're keeping us going.

989
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: Y'all take care of yourselves out there and we'll catch

990
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: you the next one. Love you bye, so long, friends,

991
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: it's time to go. Thanks so listening to our show.

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00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,840
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