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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, February third, and we are hopping on

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Speaker 2: this evening with a breaking update on the search for

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Speaker 2: Savannah Guthrie's mom. The case has taken a bizarre turn

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Speaker 2: and there may be a ransom note with that.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Roabes.

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Speaker 2: This this is odd, okay, so let's go with what

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Speaker 2: we got. Everybody knows the lady's missing. They gave us

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Speaker 2: updates knowing where she is, she was abducted. It's not

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Speaker 2: the authorities telling us there's a ransom note.

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Speaker 1: It's a celebrity news out there.

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Speaker 3: It's TMZ. This is such a strange twist. Literally within

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Speaker 3: an hour, I believe, of this latest press conference and

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Speaker 3: we addressed someone asking and someone then following up asking

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Speaker 3: the share about whether or not there was a ransom note,

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Speaker 3: and the sheriff notably moved past it, didn't say no,

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Speaker 4: We're looking at all investigative leads.

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Speaker 3: So he basically skirted the question, ducked the question, and

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Speaker 3: then whila. About an hour or so later, we hear

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Speaker 3: from TMZ. Harvey Levin gets online and says, we believe

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Speaker 3: we have a ransom note.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and to establish robes.

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Speaker 2: There was not a lot of new information in the

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Speaker 2: press conference today, but there were things that were glaring.

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Speaker 2: Only a couple things, and this was one of them.

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Speaker 2: He was asked twice directly about ransom note opportunity to

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Speaker 2: say no, It was a odd way to ask it.

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Speaker 2: Have you received a ransom demand? We're looking into all

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Speaker 2: investigative leads and tips. That was an odd way. So yes, robes.

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Speaker 2: What's the suggestion here? I think Harvey Levin said they

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Speaker 2: got it this morning. Yes, but we'll tell you what

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Speaker 2: he says. The thing says, now, you were just listening

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Speaker 2: to the video he has there, but they also have

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Speaker 2: a write up. But in the I don't know, and

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Speaker 2: we could also give an impression what your impression was

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Speaker 2: of they were they being careful or delicate in the video?

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Speaker 3: They were trying to be careful to not give away

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Speaker 3: all the contents of the ransom note, because they said

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Speaker 3: that this note that they received this morning had specific

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Speaker 3: details that one would think only the person who actually

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Speaker 3: abducted Nancy Guthrie would know.

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Speaker 4: He said there were specifics.

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Speaker 3: About what was left behind, about how he took or

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Speaker 3: this person took Nancy Guthrie anyway that they felt like

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Speaker 3: needed to be shared with police.

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Speaker 4: So they said they were contacting.

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Speaker 3: Police and they finally were able to get this note

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Speaker 3: to them to look at to investigate. But the way

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Speaker 3: actually be the person who has Savannah Guthrie's mind.

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Speaker 2: And I get what you're saying, speaking confidently, but they're

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Speaker 2: also speaking as two people who are not decades in

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Speaker 1: So I don't know what this thing might look like.

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Speaker 2: I was thrown in the video at least robes that

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Speaker 2: they were talking about it releasing it before it sounds

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Speaker 2: like they had gotten it into the hands of the

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Speaker 3: They said that they were getting the run around. They

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Speaker 3: to to give this note to.

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Speaker 4: So perhaps I don't know if.

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Speaker 3: They were online talking while this was happening shortly after.

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Speaker 3: We don't know if police had that ransom, that alleged

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Speaker 3: But certainly they were looking to bring news to the

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Speaker 3: people who count on them, and they do break news

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Speaker 3: off and now they also went on to say that

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Speaker 3: specific as they got. And then they said that the

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Speaker 3: note demands that the cryptocurrent be sent to a specific

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Speaker 3: address is real. Can you be tracked through your bitcoin address?

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Speaker 2: I would assume. Look, I don't know how that works,

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Speaker 2: but this makes no sense. This makes less sense. The

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Speaker 2: idea of a ransom starts to make sense. Why you

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Speaker 2: would send that note to TMZ, Why you would want bitcoin,

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: The Harvey Levin did mention in the video at least

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Speaker 2: the sheriff didn't tell us much. Do you have the

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Speaker 2: to this. They weren't that specific, I guess roads, but

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Speaker 2: at least addressing all this news that's circulating.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So after TMZ puts out this video, then we

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Speaker 3: hear from the Pima County Sheriff's department, and again, this

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Speaker 3: is just you know, not that long after this big

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Speaker 4: They wrote, we are.

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Speaker 3: Aware of reports circulating about possible ransom note with an

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Speaker 3: s in PARENTHESI regarding the investigation into Nancy Guthrie. We

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Speaker 3: are taking all tips and leads very seriously. Anything that

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Speaker 3: comes in goes directly to our detectives who are coordinating

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Speaker 3: with the FBI. We encourage anyone who may have any

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Speaker 3: information or tips to share them via this QR code.

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Speaker 4: So that's it. They just are saying, Yep.

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Speaker 3: We know that there are reports of a possible ransom

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Speaker 4: That's basically what I got out of that.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, that's still more than he said

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Speaker 2: in the press conference. Yes today, but Harvey Levin as well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not verified rope, so we don't know.

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Speaker 2: This could be some Yahoo out there who decided to

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Speaker 2: send something in and be funny, is this a real thing?

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Speaker 2: If you are a real kidnapper, You're going to send

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Speaker 2: your ransom note to Harvey Levin.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. None of this makes sense. This just

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Speaker 4: It's so bizarre.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the or else part of the note that

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Speaker 3: you were talking about apparently they put in this note

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Speaker 3: a deadline connected to receiving this alleged this ransom, this

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Speaker 2: And we told you all here that two things jumped

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Speaker 2: piggybacking here off what you said, Robes. One of them

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Speaker 2: was in fact when he refused to answer the ransom

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Speaker 2: here about there was a deadline or something attached. And

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Speaker 2: the sheriff today thought it was odd that this urgent

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Speaker 2: press conferences and said see you in two days.

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Speaker 3: See you on Thursday morning, at forty eight hours from now.

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Speaker 3: Even though people are actually on the edges of their

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Speaker 2: You're talking about an urgent search and a woman that

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Speaker 2: Now we're three plus days in and you're saying, yeah,

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Speaker 2: see you in a couple of days. That doesn't read

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Speaker 4: They must know something they do and that's okay.

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Speaker 2: That is we get that, We get that. But right now, Robes,

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Speaker 2: what a story this has become? The idea of ransom

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Speaker 2: makes sense? Sending it to TMZ?

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Speaker 4: Doesn't you make a very point? Why send it to TMZ?

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Speaker 1: And we have to what do you do? Right? Or

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Speaker 2: It seems what I said, Robes, if it's an authentic note,

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Speaker 2: this might have been the wrong thing to do. If

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Speaker 2: it's a total hoax, it's the wrong thing. Like, what

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Speaker 1: You dare?

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Speaker 2: And I hate to question the news organizations, hate to

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Speaker 2: question Harvey, but it felt like, man, we should wait

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Speaker 2: till you all get back to us and let us

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Speaker 2: know if this is okay to right, you have the

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Speaker 3: Right you and I had just talked about what would

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Speaker 3: And the question is, yeah, you have the choice. Obviously

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Speaker 3: you give it to police. Period, do you ask them?

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Speaker 3: Do you mind if we let our viewers know or

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Speaker 3: our listeners know that we got this note and let

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Speaker 3: them tell you. They're probably gonna tell you. Yeah, we

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Speaker 3: would mind, don't tell anyone, and then you would respect

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Speaker 3: the investigation because that comes first. Finding Nancy Guthrie is

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Speaker 3: the most important part of this entire thing. It's not

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Speaker 4: But when you have someone's life on the line, if

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Speaker 4: you think.

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Speaker 3: Maybe even for a second, that you could be jeopardizing

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Speaker 4: But I also would just have to say, we.

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Speaker 3: Were asking why would you send a ransom note to TMZ?

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Speaker 3: Probably for this exact reason. You want the attention. You

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Speaker 1: That good strategy? If it's money you want that.

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Speaker 3: I can't answer, So maybe, I mean, who knows, But

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Speaker 3: if it is just attention, then that would be more

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Speaker 3: someone who's pretending to be It's really, like you said,

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Speaker 3: then broadcasting it, do you get copycats?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 3: Do you are you incentivizing people to, you know, just

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Speaker 3: so you don't want to encourage people to do anything

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's just that's a tough one.

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Speaker 2: And just hate to be critical in any way, or

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Speaker 2: it's the tough slightest way they made the call. It's

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Speaker 2: hard to see how putting that out helps. It's hard

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Speaker 2: to see how it is. Maybe the police don't care.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe they think it helped. But Harvey

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Speaker 2: which they technically they actually do not.

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Speaker 4: Legally they don't.

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Speaker 1: They don't have to wish their tip.

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Speaker 2: But this, with all these twists and turns rogues, you

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Speaker 2: are the one that's more so pointing out to me

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Speaker 2: we should have seen coming. It's not necessarily directly related

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Speaker 2: to the investigation. It's now related to how the country

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Speaker 2: is online having a conversation about this story. And I

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Speaker 2: use the word conversation loosely, folks, we have to do better.

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Speaker 2: Stay here, We'll let you know what fight is erupting

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Speaker 2: online over the missing eighty four year old mother.

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Speaker 1: Of Savannah Guthrie.

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Speaker 2: All right, we continue here on Amy and TJ here

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Speaker 2: coming on this evening. A breaking update. Really if we're

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Speaker 2: just twists and turns in the story of Savannah Scuffhery's

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Speaker 2: missing mother. But Robes, the conversation that's been going on online,

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Speaker 2: the conversation that's been going on, Maybe we shouldn't be surprised,

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Speaker 2: Maybe we shouldn't elevate it. I really don't know, but

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Speaker 2: it seems like Robes, it's irrupting.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, because there Well, you've pointed out some political aspects,

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Speaker 4: All the money that she has.

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Speaker 3: People talking about savannah political affiliations that she's liberal, that

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is what people are saying and doing.

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Speaker 2: don't think it's been a couple of randaus here and

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Speaker 1: This is all And I mean, this story is awful.

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Speaker 2: You started peeling realing off some of that stuff, and

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Speaker 2: It's because of whose mama it.

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Speaker 4: Is it's so sad to me.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, I just want to say, Savannah

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Speaker 4: It's just evil. That is cruel. That is evil.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't deserve its place in the universe, let alone

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Speaker 2: And I want to find a way to say that

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Speaker 2: Imagine this in a in the way that's as broad

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of it has to do with immigration

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Speaker 3: just it blows my mind that people would take an

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Speaker 1: Folks.

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Speaker 2: Well, we don't know when there might be another update.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen another something planned for this evening.

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Speaker 3: You have not, no and Jack will As far as

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Speaker 1: That's what he said.

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Speaker 2: So, folks, this was a significant update in a story

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Speaker 2: It's a mystery all its own, but now you attach

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Speaker 2: this is just gone bananas.

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Speaker 1: Eighty four years old.

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Speaker 2: We can all hope she comes home safely, but folks,

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Speaker 2: we will hop on if there are any other significant updates.

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Speaker 1: Some TJ.

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Speaker 2: Holmes on behalf of my dear Amy roboc. We will

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Speaker 2: talk to you also, what do you think