WEBVTT - SYSK Selects: How Police Chases Work 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.800 Hey, everybody, it's me Josh, your old pal, your old buddy, 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:06.800 and I'm here with another s Y s K Selects 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:10.799 and this week it's all about police chases. We release 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:13.760 this episode back in May of two thousand thirteen, and 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.079 it's one of those things where you think you have 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:19.400 an idea about how something works or what something is, 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:21.240 and the more you dig into it, the more you 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:23.560 realize that, like, wow, we've all just kind of been 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:27.320 going along with this thing that probably shouldn't exist. So 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:29.920 it was a real eye opening experience to me. And 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.360 I hope even if you've heard the episode before that 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.800 you find it an eye opening Again, let's all just 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.239 watch our eyes open. If you can do such a thing, 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:45.440 I don't even know if that's possible. Welcome to Stuff 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:48.000 You should know a production of I Heart Radios How 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:57.320 Stuff Works, d do Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:01.400 I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, who's uh 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:04.039 do you know? Someone on Twitter said that every time 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:08.920 Chuck Bryant giggles, a baby bunny is born. Yeah, and 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:11.920 they be it to Wow. I love being responsible for 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:14.920 all that joy in the world. You're doing it, man, so, 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:16.800 I guess you just opened the show with you were 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:19.720 being chased by a police car in Great Britain. Just 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:24.400 you did a British Sorry, I guess it was yeah 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:26.840 to do that. In the United States, we have different 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:31.240 sounding sirens. Well, well in these days, it's all kinds 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:35.720 of crazy, like beeps and whistles. It's like that's like 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:39.640 an American police cruiser today. Wow, this is getting off 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:42.440 to a great start. Let's let's try to keep it 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.600 on the track, all right, on the U E V 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.040 O C track. Yeah, this is what this is in 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:53.400 our long running law enforcement series. You know, it's unequaled 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:57.200 by any other topic except for death. I think you think, 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:00.680 I think death might have it beat. Okay, may be not, though, 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.600 we'll find out. All right. Uh I let's go count 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:07.920 them after this, Okay, Chuck. Have you ever been in 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:13.200 a police chase? Um? Have you ever been the object 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:16.600 of pursuit in a police chase? Yeah? I was not driving. 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:18.760 I was in a car one time when my friend 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:22.440 decided to run from the cops. Wow, we lay it 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:24.440 on us. Well, you know, it was just one of 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:25.920 those things. We were in Athens and he made a 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:29.640 very bad decision and uh, we got away with it, 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:33.360 no way. Yeah, we'll see. That's something that I find 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:39.679 extremely interesting because I didn't realize until reading this article that, um, 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:43.280 there are very few circumstances where a cop should feel 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:48.440 justified or would be justified in chasing you. Right. But 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:53.680 that said, there are almost no laws whatsoever restricting police chases. 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:56.679 It's this weird gray area. And I actually found there's 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:00.880 activists online or saying, like say no to police chases, 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:04.080 like restrict police chases, like create laws against police chases 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.480 because these things are deadly and dangerous. Yeah. I think 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:09.320 what about a hundred and forty innocent civilians were killed 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.320 last year? Yeah, three about a person a day on 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.400 average dies from a police chase, and about a third 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:20.440 of those. But yeah, last hundred forty or just innocent bystanders. 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.480 Yeah that I mean that happened in Atlanta. That's happened 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:25.359 in Atlanta a couple of times recently. One time the 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:29.120 trainer for the Atlanta Braves his because he lost his 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:33.480 wife to a cop smashing into her. And um, then 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.040 again more recently there was another case. I think it 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:37.800 was a kid or something, but it was like it 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:39.720 was sort of in the news lately. Yeah, And I 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:43.320 mean you get the impression that and cops died too, 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.480 Like high speed pursuit is their high speed pursuing. That's 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.920 dangerous for everybody involved, including the cop. Um, but you 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:54.960 get the impression that, like whatever the circumstances, is just 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.760 just not pulling over for being for a for a 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:01.160 cop trying to pull you over is reason enough to 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:04.200 get the cops tackles raised enough to chase you. Yeah, 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:05.960 right off the bat. I think that would be any 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:09.680 cops instinct, is gun it not? Like, well, let me 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.720 check into his record and call my supervisor and see 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.280 if they allow this, which a lot of times this policy. 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.920 Now as we'll see, um, there are procedures in place 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.640 to kind of try to tamp down that emotion of 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:24.640 the primary departmental policy. Basically though, like you said, not 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:28.160 law right, So well let's let's talk about this. Um Okay. 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:31.240 When you go through the academy and you um get 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.080 all your training, your gun training, you're hanging out with 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.680 Tackleberry and you learn how to make cool sounds like 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:42.680 machine guns says or like yeah huh yeah. Um, you 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:46.600 spend about a week, probably a little less learning how 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.479 to drive the car. Yeah. Sadly only about two of 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:53.240 those days are dedicated to high speed pursuit. Yeah, which 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.800 apparently is an improvement over zero days, which is how 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.039 it used to be. And like the forties and fifties. Yeah, 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:00.919 I guess they just said good luck. Right, you should 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.160 know how to drive fast, right. You know, if you're 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:06.400 an old country sheriff, you probably ran moonshine exactly, or 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:09.280 your cousin does at least. Um. But there there's a 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.359 lot to it. Um. In Ed grab Banowski, the grabster 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:16.080 um points out that you know, in in a high 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.640 speed pursuit, UH, cops car can be just as deadly 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:21.520 as a cops gun, and they need to know how 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:25.120 to use it just as well and just as accurately. Um. 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:26.920 Because not only do you not have to know how 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:28.640 to drive, you have to know how to drive fast 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:30.680 while you're also turning on the lights and the sirens 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:33.560 and like calling in something and like all that other 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.719 stuff has to be second nature to you so that 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:38.440 you can focus on the driving while using just a 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:40.880 minimal amount of your brain power on the other stuff. 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:44.039 So part of the car training is just that how 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:45.960 to run a police car stuff. Because it's not like 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.640 every other car. Right, and if you, um, if you 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:53.800 are being trained to to drive in high speeds in 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:57.160 pursuit of a suspect and they send you to Colorado, 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.640 you can be reasonably assured that you're gonna come among 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:04.160 the better trained police in the country because the Colorado 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.799 State Police maintain a course, an Emergency Vehicles Operation course 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.520 that is the cream of the crop. Did you see 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:12.840 like the aerial view of it. Yeah, I mean they 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:18.479 cover all the scenarios like UM on ramps and off ramps, um, 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.760 high speed turns, intersections. They've really got all laid out 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.280 there and put you in a scenario where as close 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.360 as you could get to like an active street. Right. 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.799 It's like there's skid plates where the coefficient of friction 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.440 is point one five compared Chuck to say, I'm just 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.640 staying this off top of my head, a of coefficient 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:40.280 of friction of like point nine five on a dry highway. Yeah, 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.440 so that's slick. Yeah, that is slick. They need to 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:45.040 know how to not spin out, basically. Yeah, And that's 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.400 I think the exception is a really elaborate course like this. 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.760 I think a lot of local police still use the 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:54.880 parking lot in the cones back, which is better than 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:58.080 an orange cone. Your doctor days, you put an egg 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:02.479 on it like a Brady Bump. God. That was one 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:08.359 of the greatest television shows of all time, The Brady Bunch. Yeah. Absolutely. Um, 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:12.440 so let's talk about pursuit equipment. Right, Basically what we 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:14.880 just said was police training. You get a couple of days. 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:18.040 Maybe if you're lucky, you get a few days on 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.640 like a really great course, maybe out in Colorado. For 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:22.760 the most part, it's like, you know how to drive, 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:26.000 just drive really fast. Here's your Crown vic Yeah, that 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.680 the Ford Crown Victoria's is the most common police car, 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.240 although they're using all sorts of different cars today. When 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.080 you drive around you'll see like those Dodge Chargers and 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:37.920 like the more souped up I know. Uh, I think 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:41.600 in l A the State Patrol had those Mustangs, like 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:45.400 they really souped up sports cars. Um, apparently they're getting 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:49.320 away from Crown Victoria's because that model of car had 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.760 a big problem with it. Whereas if you were rear 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.520 ended in a high speed collision, your car blew up. Yeah, 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:56.560 that was that the Pacer that did that. In the seventies, 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.880 the Pinto Pinto, the Ford Pinto. Again, Ford had the 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:04.040 opposite problem if you if you um collided with something 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:05.760 on the front end, I thought it was the rear. 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:09.080 I think it was the front. Well let me tell 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:10.680 you this either way. I learned about it from the 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:14.600 movie Top Secret, where a Pinto like just barely hits 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:16.800 a tree and then it's the front and blows up 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:19.480 and then Ford ambulances for a while we're blown up 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:23.920 to Yeah, so forward with the with the police inceptor 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:28.360 crowned vic um created this, uh, this chemical fire suppression 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:32.480 system where right when you're rear ended at a high 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:36.440 enough impact, forceful enough impact, this this fire suppression thing 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.840 goes off. So even if there's not a fire, there's 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.599 not going to be a fire anyway. Um, but apparently 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.679 it's enough that some some people are like, yeah, we're 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:48.520 gonna go with the intrepid. Uh. You see a lot 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:50.640 of crown bicks in Atlanta to like just regular people 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:52.920 driving them. It's like sort of a thing. Now, Yeah, 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:56.240 it is like a little spotlight. Yeah, it's like, man, 0:08:56.400 --> 0:09:23.040 don't mess with me like that out on the highway. So, um, 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.080 there are some differences of course tween a police car. 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.040 If you think it's just a regular Crown Victoria. It 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:30.080 is not or whatever it is. Um. A lot of 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.319 times it does have more horsepower in the engine because 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.400 they need that kind of juice. Um. And they weigh 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:38.880 more obviously than your standard car. Because there's more guns 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:43.480 and things you're gonna have like metal reinforced seat backs 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.680 and things, so like you can't get stabbed in the 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.640 back from the back seat you did if you did, 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:51.240 or shootings or anything if you didn't do a good 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:57.000 job of checking for weapons. Um. What else. Extra transmission 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.439 coolers and oil coolers. Yeah, because I mean like a 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:02.160 radiator tops. Like they don't turn their car off ever 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.280 like that heat heat builds up, so they have like 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:09.000 oil coolers and transmission fluid coolers, bigger alternators to supply 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.760 more power up to a hundred and thirty amps if 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:15.480 that means anything to you. And then lights well in 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.200 vinyl seats stow in the rear. That's that's important. Yeah, 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.880 You're never gonna find cloth interior in the back of 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:24.120 a police car because suspects are dirty. They're dirty, and 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:28.120 oftentimes they will poop and vomit and bleed and just 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:31.680 do whatever whatever. Bodily fluid they can get out in 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:33.960 that police car, they probably will, so they want to 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.959 make it uh easily. You just get out the four 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.960 nine and the paper towels and just clean it right there. 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:44.640 Um lights Apparently they used to have them on the 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:48.559 fenders and they said, you know what, this is visible, 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:50.240 but it's not as visible as if it were on 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.920 the roof. So they created what as the light bar, 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:56.480 and which it was a little more recent than I thought. 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.360 It was the seventies that these things made their debut. Yeah, 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:01.120 and I thought back, I was like, oh, yeah, you 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.960 never see like cars in the sixties or or even 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:07.240 early seventies with that light bar. So I was born 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.640 at about the time the light bar came along. Yeah, 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:11.920 I think, uh, you know, you remember seeing the single 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:16.560 sirens sometimes or the double blue Dirty Harry would put 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:19.200 one do like a UI. Well some some were built 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.240 in but yeah, they also had the undercover cars. That 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.679 was one of the great parts of any cop movie 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:25.600 was when they got out the siren and put it 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:27.800 on the roof. Um. And now you can get them 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:31.840 at Spencer's Gifts. Summer blue and summer uh, summer blue 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:33.880 and summer red. Though I've never known the distinction. I 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.280 always thought ambulances were red and cops were blue, But 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.400 in different cities have seen cops have read. I think 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.400 it depends on what side of the force you're on. 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:46.600 Oh really yeah, like how your medic chlorine? So one 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:51.000 thing they can do to uh, to prevent the chase 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:54.280 from happening altogether. You've seen the old spike strip. They'll 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.280 lay down these rubber mats with spikes all across the road, 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.160 or they have them like uh, like an accordion. You 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.040 just kind of throw and hang on to one end 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.839 and the other. That's the quick version, and so that 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:09.480 will obviously disabled the tires. Um you can the good 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.400 old fashioned roadblock that you see in movies actually happens. 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:16.319 They line up cars and except in this version there's 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:22.360 not a conveniently parked tow truck ramp for the criminal 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:25.240 to jump over everybody or bust through. I guess, well, 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.480 you have to be careful setting those up because it's 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:31.160 normally going the criminals not going to try to push 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.920 through the car, but they may try to go around. 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:35.280 So you have to make sure that if you set 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:38.240 up this roadblock, it's it's not like going to funnel 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.520 them into somebody's house. I don't think you do that 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:42.960 in like a neighborhood. That would be a good idea. 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:44.560 You want to do it on a country road. And 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.360 then modern techniques, which I think if they bring this 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:51.120 stuff along, that's really where it's at, Like microwave technology 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:54.840 to disable the electrical system of a car, or shooting 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:59.079 a laser high speed avoidance using laser technology HALT system 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.320 of course, But they left out a couple of letters there. 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:08.760 H oh, yeah, it should be swa halt. It's not 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.040 an acronym if you're leaving out words just to make 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:15.160 it a cute word. All right, Um, so they like 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:18.120 a lay ocean last name if they spelled it out correctly. 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.200 So in that case, they're shooting a laser to cut 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.200 off your fuel supply. But here's the rub there is 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:25.920 the vehicle that they're shooting it at has to have 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.240 a special microchip in it. Yeah. I didn't look into that, 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:31.200 did you. Is it like newer vehicles? All that's my 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:33.040 guess is that they're going to start putting these in 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.800 all cars or something like. They make some deal, that 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.120 would be fine with me. I mean, it's better than 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:41.760 pursuing somebody. Absolutely you know, um, And then of course 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.560 you have air support, either in the form of a 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.559 police helicopter or like fifty news helicopters if it's the 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:51.480 police chase out in California, um, or the world's Scariest 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:55.520 police chase helicopter. Yeah. Whoever those guys are. I think 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:59.040 they just get footage from news copters and cop copters. 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:01.160 Do you watch the shows I know I've talked about. 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:04.000 I've seen them before. Yeah, Yeah, they're they're just so 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:09.120 I don't know, I followed. That's one of my guilty pleasures. 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:10.960 Do you watch this still? Yeah? I mean it's not 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:13.800 appointment television. I never know when or where they come on. 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.600 But if I'm flipping it around and I'll see a 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.360 police chase. I lived in l A. It's sort of 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:23.480 a thing, it is. Yeah, And apparently California has some 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:28.440 of the most um police protective laws as far as 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:30.800 pursuits go. They happen a lot out there. Yeah, and 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.240 like the everybody just stops doing what they're doing and 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:35.600 watches the live coverage of it sort of. Do you 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.760 remember the guy um who killed himself on live television 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.800 after a police pursuit and yeah, showed it on Fox. 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:44.400 I guess I saw that when it happened live. I 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.640 was I remember very distinctly. It was like not like 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.720 a movie. No, you know, like if you've ever seen 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.480 someone shoot their head off with a shotgun in real life, 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.240 it's nothing like. It's not some big dramatic movie thing. 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.920 It's just sad. Yeah, it really was. It was like 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.880 he might have been like making or gami or something like. 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:08.360 It was just that pedestrian or it was just like 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:10.440 he just had the gun and he's pull it up 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.560 and shot himself and he hunches over and just falls. Yeah, 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:15.720 it was. It's weird. It was really weird to see. 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.520 It was very sad. And of course all the kids 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:22.440 that saw that, that's like it's terrible. Yeah. Um. So, initially, 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:24.800 if someone takes off, like you were talking about, the 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:28.320 police officer that's on the scene has a decision to 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.720 make to pursue or not to pursue. Lots of policies. 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.600 One thing they want to do is run the tags. 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:36.960 Is it a stolen vehicle where they just in an 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:40.160 arm robbery or is it just somebody who has a 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:43.160 couple of traffic tickets out or nothing at all on 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:47.920 their record. Apparently the pursuit that enjoys the widest support 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:52.560 around the country is if it's a violent criminal, um, 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.360 somebody who poses an imminent threat to somebody else, somebody 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:58.480 who's just carried out a violent act and is escaping, 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:02.280 like pretty much, which everybody says, chase that guy. Like 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.880 if you said the person has a couple of traffic 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:10.400 tickets or if they have nothing and they're the only 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.360 reason to chase them is that they didn't pull over 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:16.040 for you, that is not reason to pursue. And yet 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.520 of all pursuits, and I believe two thousand eleven were 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:24.440 for traffic violations. Yeah, I mean, I feel for the 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:26.360 cops has got to be their instinct, like go get 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.880 that person. They're fleeing me for a good reason. Yeah, 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.000 Like I get it, But there when people are interesting, 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.800 people are dying, there needs to be like some policy 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:37.720 in place for sure. And apparently, Chuck, ninety one point 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:41.360 four percent of chases were for non violent crimes. I 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:45.560 believe that. So, um, if the cops says, okay, this 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.480 guy's this car just came back stolen, the guy just 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.320 waved a gun and it's a very clear case that 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:55.040 he should pursue them. There are other things to consider. Yeah, uh, 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:57.680 what's the what don't get him? What's what's traffic? Like, 0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:59.920 what's the word? Are the road conditions? Like it rainy? 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:03.760 Is it dark? A neighborhood, pedestrians everywhere? You might want 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.000 to just kind of slowly tail the guy. Well, the 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:09.480 one in Atlanta where they killed the trainer's wife, I 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:12.040 think it was a sort of a busy afternoon in 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:16.240 an urban area, Like they shouldn't have been pursuing anyone 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:17.920 at this point. Do you know what they were pursuing 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:21.840 the person for? No, I don't remember. Um. And then 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.920 so if they decide to like go ahead and pursue, 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:29.960 then this this series of um procedures kind of come 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:33.760 into place, like they need to be radio back into 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:38.399 headquarters like immediately right and apparently they're every step of 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:41.000 the way or they just kind of keep the whoever 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:44.120 they're talking to their supervisor posted on what's going on. 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.119 And the supervisor's role is to keep a cool head 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.080 because they're not the one who the person isn't pulling 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.440 over for, so they're they're not mad. Sure, they don't 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.480 want to correct heads, you know, UM, so their their 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.520 whole role is to to say, you know what, like 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.040 we we should You just told me that there's some 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:04.560 pedestrians around. This guy is not a violent offender. You 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:07.760 don't don't complete this pursuit, or we have like we 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:12.320 have chopper coverage, so back off with the cars and 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.600 we can still like follow this car from above. Yeah, 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:17.560 you know, like we're still gonna get our guy. Don't 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:21.040 you worry about it? Um. One of my favorite things. 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.080 If you watch the show Cops, you're well versed with 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:29.840 the pit maneuver police I'm sorry, pursuit intervention technique also 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:34.000 called the technical vehicle intervention, and that is the famous move. 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.440 If a cop has you know, you'll hear them. They 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.880 have to get clearance for the pit maneuver. Even they'll 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:41.440 call it in and say, hey, I think I've got 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.520 a chance for a pit Can I take it? And 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.760 they'll say, if you feel like, you know, the streets 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:48.919 are clear enough and you know you have to do 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:51.679 it on a turn, you don't just like run up 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:53.960 beside someone and run them off the road. It's it's 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:57.320 when they enter a turn, the cop hits the gas 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.719 and hits them on the left rear umper and just 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:05.120 basically spins them out, and uh, it's it works if 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:07.520 done correctly, and they'll train. You know, you get trained 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.199 when you get the defensive driving on the pit maneuver 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.640 and they just spin out. You can't come out of it, 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:15.840 can't come out of it. Your car spins. And that's 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:19.400 generally on cops at least when the guys will jump 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:21.960 out of the car with the car still rolling and 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:25.159 take off on foot. And then you hear these cops, 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.000 you know, with the they're miked up, so all you 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:31.159 hear is like running in the dark with all this 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:33.879 gear on. You're like, man, what a crappy job. Well, 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.800 you know, check your heavy breathing just reminded me of something. 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:39.399 Is it that time? It's time for a message break? 0:19:57.000 --> 0:20:00.800 All right? Heavy breathing indeed, So you we're talking about 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:04.639 the wildest police chases, that kind of show that you like, 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:06.199 I don't know who would watch stuff like that. Well, 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:09.280 Grabster takes the task, um those kind of shows for 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:14.520 presenting a very um unbalanced picture of police chases. They 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:18.720 don't show the cops backing off of the pursuit becomes 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:21.160 too dangerous. They don't show the cops crashing into an 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:25.200 instant by standards car right. Um. They never say, well, 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:27.639 this cop probably shouldn't have pursued this person because this 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:33.000 is a minor violation. Um. And they they always kind 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:36.920 of tend to present the police in a favorable light. Yeah. 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:40.240 And I think it's more I don't know if they're 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:42.560 out to make Oh maybe they are. I just think 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:44.480 it's better TV obviously, like you would want to show 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:46.960 and they're like, oh no, let's just back off and 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.239 get back to get that for sure. Plus also they 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:53.320 want to maintain a um the kind of relationship with 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:57.440 cops police departments that where they'll give them their footage. Absolutely, 0:20:57.560 --> 0:20:59.080 you know, now the shows are good for the cops. 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:00.760 I'm sure we hear I don't know if you can 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:02.920 hear this people, it sounds like a police chase is 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:06.200 going on outside right now. I think it is. This 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:12.520 is this is really dramatic footage. Chuck. Um. Uh, do 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:15.280 you remember the O J thing specifically? Yeah? Where were 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:20.040 you then? How's in college? Were in college? I remember too, 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:22.960 of course, so I don't. The chase wasn't I didn't 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:26.000 watch much of the chase, remember the verdict? Yeah? I 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:29.240 remember the chase specifically because they it was during the 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:33.040 Knicks Rockets NBA playoffs and my buddy Justin as a 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.840 huge Knicks fan, and he was really upset and he 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:38.080 was just like, do you have to have it on 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:41.280 every channel? And I agreed with This's like, why don't 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:42.880 you know you're going to pre empt the basketball game. 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:46.159 It's on a hundred channels. I can't in there one 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:48.040 person out there that wants to watch the basketball game 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:50.480 put their ratings would have gone through the roof. And 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:53.040 that was a low speech chase. That wasn't even that 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:55.919