Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's me Josh, your old pal, your old buddy,
Speaker 1: and I'm here with another s Y s K Selects
Speaker 1: and this week it's all about police chases. We release
Speaker 1: this episode back in May of two thousand thirteen, and
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where you think you have
Speaker 1: an idea about how something works or what something is,
Speaker 1: and the more you dig into it, the more you
Speaker 1: realize that, like, wow, we've all just kind of been
Speaker 1: going along with this thing that probably shouldn't exist. So
Speaker 1: it was a real eye opening experience to me. And
Speaker 1: I hope even if you've heard the episode before that
Speaker 1: you find it an eye opening Again, let's all just
Speaker 1: watch our eyes open. If you can do such a thing,
Speaker 1: I don't even know if that's possible. Welcome to Stuff
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Speaker 1: Stuff Works, d do Hey, and welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, who's uh
Speaker 1: do you know? Someone on Twitter said that every time
Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant giggles, a baby bunny is born. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they be it to Wow. I love being responsible for
Speaker 1: all that joy in the world. You're doing it, man, so,
Speaker 1: I guess you just opened the show with you were
Speaker 1: being chased by a police car in Great Britain. Just
Speaker 1: you did a British Sorry, I guess it was yeah
Speaker 1: to do that. In the United States, we have different
Speaker 1: sounding sirens. Well, well in these days, it's all kinds
Speaker 1: of crazy, like beeps and whistles. It's like that's like
Speaker 1: an American police cruiser today. Wow, this is getting off
Speaker 1: to a great start. Let's let's try to keep it
Speaker 1: on the track, all right, on the U E V
Speaker 1: O C track. Yeah, this is what this is in
Speaker 1: our long running law enforcement series. You know, it's unequaled
Speaker 1: by any other topic except for death. I think you think,
Speaker 1: I think death might have it beat. Okay, may be not, though,
Speaker 1: we'll find out. All right. Uh I let's go count
Speaker 1: them after this, Okay, Chuck. Have you ever been in
Speaker 1: a police chase? Um? Have you ever been the object
Speaker 1: of pursuit in a police chase? Yeah? I was not driving.
Speaker 1: I was in a car one time when my friend
Speaker 1: decided to run from the cops. Wow, we lay it
Speaker 1: on us. Well, you know, it was just one of
Speaker 1: those things. We were in Athens and he made a
Speaker 1: very bad decision and uh, we got away with it,
Speaker 1: no way. Yeah, we'll see. That's something that I find
Speaker 1: extremely interesting because I didn't realize until reading this article that, um,
Speaker 1: there are very few circumstances where a cop should feel
Speaker 1: justified or would be justified in chasing you. Right. But
Speaker 1: that said, there are almost no laws whatsoever restricting police chases.
Speaker 1: It's this weird gray area. And I actually found there's
Speaker 1: activists online or saying, like say no to police chases,
Speaker 1: like restrict police chases, like create laws against police chases
Speaker 1: because these things are deadly and dangerous. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: what about a hundred and forty innocent civilians were killed
Speaker 1: last year? Yeah, three about a person a day on
Speaker 1: average dies from a police chase, and about a third
Speaker 1: of those. But yeah, last hundred forty or just innocent bystanders.
Speaker 1: Yeah that I mean that happened in Atlanta. That's happened
Speaker 1: in Atlanta a couple of times recently. One time the
Speaker 1: trainer for the Atlanta Braves his because he lost his
Speaker 1: wife to a cop smashing into her. And um, then
Speaker 1: again more recently there was another case. I think it
Speaker 1: was a kid or something, but it was like it
Speaker 1: was sort of in the news lately. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: mean you get the impression that and cops died too,
Speaker 1: Like high speed pursuit is their high speed pursuing. That's
Speaker 1: dangerous for everybody involved, including the cop. Um, but you
Speaker 1: get the impression that, like whatever the circumstances, is just
Speaker 1: just not pulling over for being for a for a
Speaker 1: cop trying to pull you over is reason enough to
Speaker 1: get the cops tackles raised enough to chase you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: right off the bat. I think that would be any
Speaker 1: cops instinct, is gun it not? Like, well, let me
Speaker 1: check into his record and call my supervisor and see
Speaker 1: if they allow this, which a lot of times this policy.
Speaker 1: Now as we'll see, um, there are procedures in place
Speaker 1: to kind of try to tamp down that emotion of
Speaker 1: the primary departmental policy. Basically though, like you said, not
Speaker 1: law right, So well let's let's talk about this. Um Okay.
Speaker 1: When you go through the academy and you um get
Speaker 1: all your training, your gun training, you're hanging out with
Speaker 1: Tackleberry and you learn how to make cool sounds like
Speaker 1: machine guns says or like yeah huh yeah. Um, you
Speaker 1: spend about a week, probably a little less learning how
Speaker 1: to drive the car. Yeah. Sadly only about two of
Speaker 1: those days are dedicated to high speed pursuit. Yeah, which
Speaker 1: apparently is an improvement over zero days, which is how
Speaker 1: it used to be. And like the forties and fifties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess they just said good luck. Right, you should
Speaker 1: know how to drive fast, right. You know, if you're
Speaker 1: an old country sheriff, you probably ran moonshine exactly, or
Speaker 1: your cousin does at least. Um. But there there's a
Speaker 1: lot to it. Um. In Ed grab Banowski, the grabster
Speaker 1: um points out that you know, in in a high
Speaker 1: speed pursuit, UH, cops car can be just as deadly
Speaker 1: as a cops gun, and they need to know how
Speaker 1: to use it just as well and just as accurately. Um.
Speaker 1: Because not only do you not have to know how
Speaker 1: to drive, you have to know how to drive fast
Speaker 1: while you're also turning on the lights and the sirens
Speaker 1: and like calling in something and like all that other
Speaker 1: stuff has to be second nature to you so that
Speaker 1: you can focus on the driving while using just a
Speaker 1: minimal amount of your brain power on the other stuff.
Speaker 1: So part of the car training is just that how
Speaker 1: to run a police car stuff. Because it's not like
Speaker 1: every other car. Right, and if you, um, if you
Speaker 1: are being trained to to drive in high speeds in
Speaker 1: pursuit of a suspect and they send you to Colorado,
Speaker 1: you can be reasonably assured that you're gonna come among
Speaker 1: the better trained police in the country because the Colorado
Speaker 1: State Police maintain a course, an Emergency Vehicles Operation course
Speaker 1: that is the cream of the crop. Did you see
Speaker 1: like the aerial view of it. Yeah, I mean they
Speaker 1: cover all the scenarios like UM on ramps and off ramps, um,
Speaker 1: high speed turns, intersections. They've really got all laid out
Speaker 1: there and put you in a scenario where as close
Speaker 1: as you could get to like an active street. Right.
Speaker 1: It's like there's skid plates where the coefficient of friction
Speaker 1: is point one five compared Chuck to say, I'm just
Speaker 1: staying this off top of my head, a of coefficient
Speaker 1: of friction of like point nine five on a dry highway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's slick. Yeah, that is slick. They need to
Speaker 1: know how to not spin out, basically. Yeah, And that's
Speaker 1: I think the exception is a really elaborate course like this.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of local police still use the
Speaker 1: parking lot in the cones back, which is better than
Speaker 1: an orange cone. Your doctor days, you put an egg
Speaker 1: on it like a Brady Bump. God. That was one
Speaker 1: of the greatest television shows of all time, The Brady Bunch. Yeah. Absolutely. Um,
Speaker 1: so let's talk about pursuit equipment. Right, Basically what we
Speaker 1: just said was police training. You get a couple of days.
Speaker 1: Maybe if you're lucky, you get a few days on
Speaker 1: like a really great course, maybe out in Colorado. For
Speaker 1: the most part, it's like, you know how to drive,
Speaker 1: just drive really fast. Here's your Crown vic Yeah, that
Speaker 1: the Ford Crown Victoria's is the most common police car,
Speaker 1: although they're using all sorts of different cars today. When
Speaker 1: you drive around you'll see like those Dodge Chargers and
Speaker 1: like the more souped up I know. Uh, I think
Speaker 1: in l A the State Patrol had those Mustangs, like
Speaker 1: they really souped up sports cars. Um, apparently they're getting
Speaker 1: away from Crown Victoria's because that model of car had
Speaker 1: a big problem with it. Whereas if you were rear
Speaker 1: ended in a high speed collision, your car blew up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that the Pacer that did that. In the seventies,
Speaker 1: the Pinto Pinto, the Ford Pinto. Again, Ford had the
Speaker 1: opposite problem if you if you um collided with something
Speaker 1: on the front end, I thought it was the rear.
Speaker 1: I think it was the front. Well let me tell
Speaker 1: you this either way. I learned about it from the
Speaker 1: movie Top Secret, where a Pinto like just barely hits
Speaker 1: a tree and then it's the front and blows up
Speaker 1: and then Ford ambulances for a while we're blown up
Speaker 1: to Yeah, so forward with the with the police inceptor
Speaker 1: crowned vic um created this, uh, this chemical fire suppression
Speaker 1: system where right when you're rear ended at a high
Speaker 1: enough impact, forceful enough impact, this this fire suppression thing
Speaker 1: goes off. So even if there's not a fire, there's
Speaker 1: not going to be a fire anyway. Um, but apparently
Speaker 1: it's enough that some some people are like, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go with the intrepid. Uh. You see a lot
Speaker 1: of crown bicks in Atlanta to like just regular people
Speaker 1: driving them. It's like sort of a thing. Now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is like a little spotlight. Yeah, it's like, man,
Speaker 1: don't mess with me like that out on the highway. So, um,
Speaker 1: there are some differences of course tween a police car.
Speaker 1: If you think it's just a regular Crown Victoria. It
Speaker 1: is not or whatever it is. Um. A lot of
Speaker 1: times it does have more horsepower in the engine because
Speaker 1: they need that kind of juice. Um. And they weigh
Speaker 1: more obviously than your standard car. Because there's more guns
Speaker 1: and things you're gonna have like metal reinforced seat backs
Speaker 1: and things, so like you can't get stabbed in the
Speaker 1: back from the back seat you did if you did,
Speaker 1: or shootings or anything if you didn't do a good
Speaker 1: job of checking for weapons. Um. What else. Extra transmission
Speaker 1: coolers and oil coolers. Yeah, because I mean like a
Speaker 1: radiator tops. Like they don't turn their car off ever
Speaker 1: like that heat heat builds up, so they have like
Speaker 1: oil coolers and transmission fluid coolers, bigger alternators to supply
Speaker 1: more power up to a hundred and thirty amps if
Speaker 1: that means anything to you. And then lights well in
Speaker 1: vinyl seats stow in the rear. That's that's important. Yeah,
Speaker 1: You're never gonna find cloth interior in the back of
Speaker 1: a police car because suspects are dirty. They're dirty, and
Speaker 1: oftentimes they will poop and vomit and bleed and just
Speaker 1: do whatever whatever. Bodily fluid they can get out in
Speaker 1: that police car, they probably will, so they want to
Speaker 1: make it uh easily. You just get out the four
Speaker 1: nine and the paper towels and just clean it right there.
Speaker 1: Um lights Apparently they used to have them on the
Speaker 1: fenders and they said, you know what, this is visible,
Speaker 1: but it's not as visible as if it were on
Speaker 1: the roof. So they created what as the light bar,
Speaker 1: and which it was a little more recent than I thought.
Speaker 1: It was the seventies that these things made their debut. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I thought back, I was like, oh, yeah, you
Speaker 1: never see like cars in the sixties or or even
Speaker 1: early seventies with that light bar. So I was born
Speaker 1: at about the time the light bar came along. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, uh, you know, you remember seeing the single
Speaker 1: sirens sometimes or the double blue Dirty Harry would put
Speaker 1: one do like a UI. Well some some were built
Speaker 1: in but yeah, they also had the undercover cars. That
Speaker 1: was one of the great parts of any cop movie
Speaker 1: was when they got out the siren and put it
Speaker 1: on the roof. Um. And now you can get them
Speaker 1: at Spencer's Gifts. Summer blue and summer uh, summer blue
Speaker 1: and summer red. Though I've never known the distinction. I
Speaker 1: always thought ambulances were red and cops were blue, But
Speaker 1: in different cities have seen cops have read. I think
Speaker 1: it depends on what side of the force you're on.
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, like how your medic chlorine? So one
Speaker 1: thing they can do to uh, to prevent the chase
Speaker 1: from happening altogether. You've seen the old spike strip. They'll
Speaker 1: lay down these rubber mats with spikes all across the road,
Speaker 1: or they have them like uh, like an accordion. You
Speaker 1: just kind of throw and hang on to one end
Speaker 1: and the other. That's the quick version, and so that
Speaker 1: will obviously disabled the tires. Um you can the good
Speaker 1: old fashioned roadblock that you see in movies actually happens.
Speaker 1: They line up cars and except in this version there's
Speaker 1: not a conveniently parked tow truck ramp for the criminal
Speaker 1: to jump over everybody or bust through. I guess, well,
Speaker 1: you have to be careful setting those up because it's
Speaker 1: normally going the criminals not going to try to push
Speaker 1: through the car, but they may try to go around.
Speaker 1: So you have to make sure that if you set
Speaker 1: up this roadblock, it's it's not like going to funnel
Speaker 1: them into somebody's house. I don't think you do that
Speaker 1: in like a neighborhood. That would be a good idea.
Speaker 1: You want to do it on a country road. And
Speaker 1: then modern techniques, which I think if they bring this
Speaker 1: stuff along, that's really where it's at, Like microwave technology
Speaker 1: to disable the electrical system of a car, or shooting
Speaker 1: a laser high speed avoidance using laser technology HALT system
Speaker 1: of course, But they left out a couple of letters there.
Speaker 1: H oh, yeah, it should be swa halt. It's not
Speaker 1: an acronym if you're leaving out words just to make
Speaker 1: it a cute word. All right, Um, so they like
Speaker 1: a lay ocean last name if they spelled it out correctly.
Speaker 1: So in that case, they're shooting a laser to cut
Speaker 1: off your fuel supply. But here's the rub there is
Speaker 1: the vehicle that they're shooting it at has to have
Speaker 1: a special microchip in it. Yeah. I didn't look into that,
Speaker 1: did you. Is it like newer vehicles? All that's my
Speaker 1: guess is that they're going to start putting these in
Speaker 1: all cars or something like. They make some deal, that
Speaker 1: would be fine with me. I mean, it's better than
Speaker 1: pursuing somebody. Absolutely you know, um, And then of course
Speaker 1: you have air support, either in the form of a
Speaker 1: police helicopter or like fifty news helicopters if it's the
Speaker 1: police chase out in California, um, or the world's Scariest
Speaker 1: police chase helicopter. Yeah. Whoever those guys are. I think
Speaker 1: they just get footage from news copters and cop copters.
Speaker 1: Do you watch the shows I know I've talked about.
Speaker 1: I've seen them before. Yeah, Yeah, they're they're just so
Speaker 1: I don't know, I followed. That's one of my guilty pleasures.
Speaker 1: Do you watch this still? Yeah? I mean it's not
Speaker 1: appointment television. I never know when or where they come on.
Speaker 1: But if I'm flipping it around and I'll see a
Speaker 1: police chase. I lived in l A. It's sort of
Speaker 1: a thing, it is. Yeah, And apparently California has some
Speaker 1: of the most um police protective laws as far as
Speaker 1: pursuits go. They happen a lot out there. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: like the everybody just stops doing what they're doing and
Speaker 1: watches the live coverage of it sort of. Do you
Speaker 1: remember the guy um who killed himself on live television
Speaker 1: after a police pursuit and yeah, showed it on Fox.
Speaker 1: I guess I saw that when it happened live. I
Speaker 1: was I remember very distinctly. It was like not like
Speaker 1: a movie. No, you know, like if you've ever seen
Speaker 1: someone shoot their head off with a shotgun in real life,
Speaker 1: it's nothing like. It's not some big dramatic movie thing.
Speaker 1: It's just sad. Yeah, it really was. It was like
Speaker 1: he might have been like making or gami or something like.
Speaker 1: It was just that pedestrian or it was just like
Speaker 1: he just had the gun and he's pull it up
Speaker 1: and shot himself and he hunches over and just falls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It's weird. It was really weird to see.
Speaker 1: It was very sad. And of course all the kids
Speaker 1: that saw that, that's like it's terrible. Yeah. Um. So, initially,
Speaker 1: if someone takes off, like you were talking about, the
Speaker 1: police officer that's on the scene has a decision to
Speaker 1: make to pursue or not to pursue. Lots of policies.
Speaker 1: One thing they want to do is run the tags.
Speaker 1: Is it a stolen vehicle where they just in an
Speaker 1: arm robbery or is it just somebody who has a
Speaker 1: couple of traffic tickets out or nothing at all on
Speaker 1: their record. Apparently the pursuit that enjoys the widest support
Speaker 1: around the country is if it's a violent criminal, um,
Speaker 1: somebody who poses an imminent threat to somebody else, somebody
Speaker 1: who's just carried out a violent act and is escaping,
Speaker 1: like pretty much, which everybody says, chase that guy. Like
Speaker 1: if you said the person has a couple of traffic
Speaker 1: tickets or if they have nothing and they're the only
Speaker 1: reason to chase them is that they didn't pull over
Speaker 1: for you, that is not reason to pursue. And yet
Speaker 1: of all pursuits, and I believe two thousand eleven were
Speaker 1: for traffic violations. Yeah, I mean, I feel for the
Speaker 1: cops has got to be their instinct, like go get
Speaker 1: that person. They're fleeing me for a good reason. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I get it, But there when people are interesting,
Speaker 1: people are dying, there needs to be like some policy
Speaker 1: in place for sure. And apparently, Chuck, ninety one point
Speaker 1: four percent of chases were for non violent crimes. I
Speaker 1: believe that. So, um, if the cops says, okay, this
Speaker 1: guy's this car just came back stolen, the guy just
Speaker 1: waved a gun and it's a very clear case that
Speaker 1: he should pursue them. There are other things to consider. Yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: what's the what don't get him? What's what's traffic? Like,
Speaker 1: what's the word? Are the road conditions? Like it rainy?
Speaker 1: Is it dark? A neighborhood, pedestrians everywhere? You might want
Speaker 1: to just kind of slowly tail the guy. Well, the
Speaker 1: one in Atlanta where they killed the trainer's wife, I
Speaker 1: think it was a sort of a busy afternoon in
Speaker 1: an urban area, Like they shouldn't have been pursuing anyone
Speaker 1: at this point. Do you know what they were pursuing
Speaker 1: the person for? No, I don't remember. Um. And then
Speaker 1: so if they decide to like go ahead and pursue,
Speaker 1: then this this series of um procedures kind of come
Speaker 1: into place, like they need to be radio back into
Speaker 1: headquarters like immediately right and apparently they're every step of
Speaker 1: the way or they just kind of keep the whoever
Speaker 1: they're talking to their supervisor posted on what's going on.
Speaker 1: And the supervisor's role is to keep a cool head
Speaker 1: because they're not the one who the person isn't pulling
Speaker 1: over for, so they're they're not mad. Sure, they don't
Speaker 1: want to correct heads, you know, UM, so their their
Speaker 1: whole role is to to say, you know what, like
Speaker 1: we we should You just told me that there's some
Speaker 1: pedestrians around. This guy is not a violent offender. You
Speaker 1: don't don't complete this pursuit, or we have like we
Speaker 1: have chopper coverage, so back off with the cars and
Speaker 1: we can still like follow this car from above. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like we're still gonna get our guy. Don't
Speaker 1: you worry about it? Um. One of my favorite things.
Speaker 1: If you watch the show Cops, you're well versed with
Speaker 1: the pit maneuver police I'm sorry, pursuit intervention technique also
Speaker 1: called the technical vehicle intervention, and that is the famous move.
Speaker 1: If a cop has you know, you'll hear them. They
Speaker 1: have to get clearance for the pit maneuver. Even they'll
Speaker 1: call it in and say, hey, I think I've got
Speaker 1: a chance for a pit Can I take it? And
Speaker 1: they'll say, if you feel like, you know, the streets
Speaker 1: are clear enough and you know you have to do
Speaker 1: it on a turn, you don't just like run up
Speaker 1: beside someone and run them off the road. It's it's
Speaker 1: when they enter a turn, the cop hits the gas
Speaker 1: and hits them on the left rear umper and just
Speaker 1: basically spins them out, and uh, it's it works if
Speaker 1: done correctly, and they'll train. You know, you get trained
Speaker 1: when you get the defensive driving on the pit maneuver
Speaker 1: and they just spin out. You can't come out of it,
Speaker 1: can't come out of it. Your car spins. And that's
Speaker 1: generally on cops at least when the guys will jump
Speaker 1: out of the car with the car still rolling and
Speaker 1: take off on foot. And then you hear these cops,
Speaker 1: you know, with the they're miked up, so all you
Speaker 1: hear is like running in the dark with all this
Speaker 1: gear on. You're like, man, what a crappy job. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, check your heavy breathing just reminded me of something.
Speaker 1: Is it that time? It's time for a message break?
Speaker 1: All right? Heavy breathing indeed, So you we're talking about
Speaker 1: the wildest police chases, that kind of show that you like,
Speaker 1: I don't know who would watch stuff like that. Well,
Speaker 1: Grabster takes the task, um those kind of shows for
Speaker 1: presenting a very um unbalanced picture of police chases. They
Speaker 1: don't show the cops backing off of the pursuit becomes
Speaker 1: too dangerous. They don't show the cops crashing into an
Speaker 1: instant by standards car right. Um. They never say, well,
Speaker 1: this cop probably shouldn't have pursued this person because this
Speaker 1: is a minor violation. Um. And they they always kind
Speaker 1: of tend to present the police in a favorable light. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think it's more I don't know if they're
Speaker 1: out to make Oh maybe they are. I just think
Speaker 1: it's better TV obviously, like you would want to show
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh no, let's just back off and
Speaker 1: get back to get that for sure. Plus also they
Speaker 1: want to maintain a um the kind of relationship with
Speaker 1: cops police departments that where they'll give them their footage. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know, now the shows are good for the cops.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we hear I don't know if you can
Speaker 1: hear this people, it sounds like a police chase is
Speaker 1: going on outside right now. I think it is. This
Speaker 1: is this is really dramatic footage. Chuck. Um. Uh, do
Speaker 1: you remember the O J thing specifically? Yeah? Where were
Speaker 1: you then? How's in college? Were in college? I remember too,
Speaker 1: of course, so I don't. The chase wasn't I didn't
Speaker 1: watch much of the chase, remember the verdict? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: remember the chase specifically because they it was during the
Speaker 1: Knicks Rockets NBA playoffs and my buddy Justin as a
Speaker 1: huge Knicks fan, and he was really upset and he
Speaker 1: was just like, do you have to have it on
Speaker 1: every channel? And I agreed with This's like, why don't
Speaker 1: you know you're going to pre empt the basketball game.
Speaker 1: It's on a hundred channels. I can't in there one
Speaker 1: person out there that wants to watch the basketball game
Speaker 1: put their ratings would have gone through the roof. And
Speaker 1: that was a low speech chase. That wasn't even that
Speaker 1: was just weird. You know, the well love speech chases
Speaker 1: are very weird. I'm a c It's just like, you
Speaker 1: know who I am. I'm not gonna pull over. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So well, let's talk about the legalities of it, right. There's,
Speaker 1: like we said, there's pretty much no laws that restrict
Speaker 1: police chases. They have the right to do that in
Speaker 1: all cases. Yeah um. And as a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: they don't even have to have their lights and sirens
Speaker 1: running to engage in pursuit. Yeah um. The there are
Speaker 1: department procedures regarding police chases though. But the thing is is,
Speaker 1: even if a cop violates department procedure and continues to pursuit,
Speaker 1: they're still not breaking any laws. So for example, in Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. You can only pursue if the suspect has
Speaker 1: engaged in a violent act or um, someone could be
Speaker 1: seriously hurt if the suspect were allowed to escape. UM.
Speaker 1: In Des Moines, Iowa, no more than three cars can
Speaker 1: engage in pursuit. Yeah, that makes good sense. It's a
Speaker 1: good rule. And you have to take into account a
Speaker 1: m the time of day, road and weather conditions, the
Speaker 1: nature of the offense, and a supervisor has to pursue,
Speaker 1: has to approve the pursuit. And then in Florida, Orange County, Florida,
Speaker 1: that's the Orlando area. Yeah. Are they the ones that
Speaker 1: have real restrictive policies. Yeah. And as a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: they found that after in the year after they enacted
Speaker 1: their restrictive pursuit policies, UM, felonies in Orlando declined. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's up with that. I don't know, one of those
Speaker 1: weird things. Uh. There is also something called sovereign immunity UM,
Speaker 1: which is a government official is not liable for damages
Speaker 1: that occur while they're doing their job. UM. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: like old time common law. Yeah, old school. But these
Speaker 1: days there are a lot of municipalities that have overridden
Speaker 1: that law with with other laws. Um And like I
Speaker 1: think with the Georgia case, I think that cop was
Speaker 1: fired and brought up on charges, and I think they
Speaker 1: could even sue the police station. Yeah, with the but
Speaker 1: not himself in overriding the sovereign immunity laws. Most most
Speaker 1: departments or communities protect the cops individually but financially. But
Speaker 1: the institution can still be sued, right, but they're not
Speaker 1: protected criminally, Like they can still be brought up on charges,
Speaker 1: they just can't be sued. I think, gotcha, because I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure this Braves guy, I think he went upon trial.
Speaker 1: Well apparently if I'm wrong, then I'm gonna eat crow.
Speaker 1: But in California, you're basically out of luck if the
Speaker 1: cops mess up your storefront with their cars during your pursuit. Yeah,
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