1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Battleground podcast. We are at part two 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: with Secret Service agent retired secret a Secret Service Agent 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: Jeff James. We talked a lot about Jeff's background and 4 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: his history and why he wanted to join the United 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: States Secret Service and unexpectedly so, but I think appropriately, 6 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: we also talked about child trafficking and what you can 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: do to insulate your children and your family from this 8 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: threat that frankly, most Americans turn a blind eye to. 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: It's a modern day slave trade in this country every day, 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: only it's not public. It happens online, behind the scenes. 11 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: But it's a crisis in this country that we can't 12 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: afford to ignore anymore. So this is part two, So 13 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: today I want to talk about what Jeff's experience was 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: like protecting presidents of the United States and Jeff, welcome 15 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: back to part two of Battleground. Thanks for coming back. 16 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: Oh no, I honored to be here again. Thank you 17 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: so you have. 18 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: You've done just so much with your career. You're a 19 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh guy like me, Western Pennsylvania. But I want to 20 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: talk about how you get selected for and correct me 21 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: if i'm i'm if I'm not saying this properly. But 22 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: the presidential protection detail on the Secret Service, because that's 23 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 1: that's not an assignment that everybody gets, right. 24 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, you know, the the actual number of people 25 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: who are assigned to the President's Details classified, But but it 26 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: is something that not every Secret Service as gets to do. 27 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,199 Speaker 2: And it's very frankly, something I'm proud I was able 28 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: to achieve. And it's you know, it happens for you 29 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: in in a couple of ways. You know, they look 30 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: they look at your assignments prior, they look at you know, 31 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,639 Speaker 2: recommendations from your bosses, they look at your shooting scores, 32 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: they look at your PT scores. So there's you know, 33 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: several components that go into it, and part of it 34 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 2: is very frankly, you know, you're a lot of your 35 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: bosses will have been there and they'll know whether or 36 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: not you're going to be a good fit. And look, 37 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: there are other opportunities. It's not like it's that or nothing. 38 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: There's the Vice President's detail, there's former president presidential details. 39 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: There is now it wasn't there when I was in, 40 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: but now there's an investigative track because the Secret Service 41 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: has gotten very highly involved in cybersecurity and cyber threats. 42 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: So there's a track for that now for because we 43 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: do have agents who in spite of joining the Secret 44 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: Service decide that the protection side isn't for them because 45 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 2: it's it can be a grind. It's a lot of travel, 46 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 2: a lot of time away from home and things like that. 47 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: So so there are other opportunities, but it is something 48 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: that I feel truly blessed and fortunate to have done. 49 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: So how do you let the Secret Service know that 50 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: that you want to be on the residential protection detail? 51 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: You know, if if you're in the military and you're 52 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: you know, a young infantry officer and you want to 53 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: go to a ranger battalion, you have to, you know, 54 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: go through Ranger Indoctrination program or Ranger Orientation Program, ROPE 55 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: or whatever and you try out. And same thing for 56 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: United States Special Forces. You got to go to the 57 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: to the Q course and do starland navigation and everything else, 58 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: and you try out. And sometimes people that make it 59 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: through all the training requirements and check all the right blocks, 60 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: they don't pass the board at the end for whatever reason, 61 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: maybe their psych profile doesn't add up. Is it are 62 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: you just are you just selected for it? Do they say, hey, 63 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: we like your track, you have promise I want you 64 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: to try out for this or is it something that 65 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: you deliberately do. 66 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: They're not gonna they're not going to force anybody to 67 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: do it because it is a grind. It is something 68 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 2: that you know you're you're going to raise your hand. 69 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: When I was in you you actually had throughout your 70 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 2: career where you would go into your profile and you 71 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: would put your top three choices of your next assignment. 72 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: So when I first went to d C, I was 73 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: an intelligence specialist, and I knew from there that that 74 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: I wanted to go to President's Detail. So I went 75 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: in and put in my preferences that that was that 76 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 2: was my first choice. From there, you know, you put 77 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: like okay, it's your time's getting close, you need to 78 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 2: leave d C. You would put in the field offices 79 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: that you would like to get to. You know, whether 80 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 2: if you're a West Coast guy, you might pick San Francisco, La, 81 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: you know, Seattle or whatever, or you know, you just 82 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: put that in there. Now, when you're selected to for 83 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: reassignment to the President's Detail, you do go through another 84 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: month of training that is like that pre pre school 85 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: to go into the detail. You know, it is possible 86 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,799 Speaker 2: to wash out of that, but you know, everybody pretty 87 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: much knows that if you've raised your hand and said 88 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: I want to do this, you you better be ready 89 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: to go. So that school is it was a lot 90 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 2: of fun, great spirit of competition. Everybody wanted to out 91 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: shoot and out run everybody else, and it was a 92 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 2: lot of fun. In fact, as I think back in 93 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: my career, it was one of the most fun months 94 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: of my career that being in that training with all 95 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 2: those that group of the twenty four of us that 96 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: were going to be next to go to the President's detail. 97 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: But it is possible to wash out of that. But 98 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 2: if you know, everybody's pretty good by that point. If 99 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 2: you wash out, it's going to be because of an 100 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: attitude problem more so than being able to shoot or 101 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: run and jump and stuff like that. 102 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: Is it? 103 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 2: I mean? 104 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: Was the sense was there a sense of camaraderie like 105 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: each of you twenty or so people that were in 106 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: that training, Jeff, Was there a sense that, you know, 107 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: sense of a spread of corps that you were the 108 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: best and you were there together to protect the leader 109 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: of the free world. I got to believe that. That's surreal. 110 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, And not just in that class at twenty four, 111 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: but once you join the detail there is that's exactly 112 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: what it is. You know where you are. You know, 113 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: I always thought that it was. I wish it was 114 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 2: like the Penguins, right, you go into a series. You 115 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 2: can lose three and still win the series. You know, 116 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: we knew we had to win every day. The best 117 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: case scenario on a mistake is somebody gets hurt. A 118 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: worst case is somebody dies, and the very worst is 119 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: the president dies or whoever we're protecting, the President and 120 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,679 Speaker 2: vice president, you know, the Queen of England, the pope, 121 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 2: whoever we're protecting. That's the very worst case scenario. So 122 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: along with the pressure, and you know, my wife hears 123 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 2: me say this, and I think she thinks I'm crazy. 124 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: If you ask me what I miss the most, that's 125 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 2: the tension and the pressure and the real sense of 126 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 2: urgency that came with everything we did is what I 127 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 2: missed the most. But I do miss that camaraderie. You know, 128 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 2: there were times I was gone for months at a time, 129 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 2: especially during like campaign seasons, where you're just jumping from 130 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 2: visit to visit, and many times you're doing it with 131 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: that same small group of people and that's who you 132 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: have dinner with, and that's who you you know, decompressed with, 133 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: and that's who you go to the gym with. And 134 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 2: it really does build that com right, that's who we 135 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: sit and talk about how much we miss our families with, 136 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 2: you know, we you know, it creates that that closeness 137 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: much like I'm sure you know you and your men 138 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: were and but yeah, that that shared mission is is 139 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 2: and it is so important to me and continues to 140 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: be important to the men and women who are still there. 141 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: So what was it like when you make it through 142 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: that course? I mean, is there like is there in processing? 143 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: Do you go to the White House immediately and meet 144 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: the president? I mean, is there a Secret Service agent 145 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: in charge? I'm sure there is a the Presidential Protection Detail, 146 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: like somebody that LIASA is with the President's chief of staff. Like, 147 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: give me a sense of if you can to the 148 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: extent that you can talk about it publicly, What's what's 149 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: the command structure like when you get around the boss, 150 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: the big boss. 151 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, so there there is an agent charge of the 152 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: President's detail. Then there are there's you know, also deputies, 153 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: and then it comes down to assistant special agents in 154 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: charge and and then there then there's one UH supervisor 155 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: who's in charge of each shift. So there were four 156 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: shifts on the President's detail. One would work day shift, 157 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: one would work afternoons, and one would work midnights. And 158 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: then the fourth shift. Let me step back. You would 159 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 2: work two weeks of each of those shifts. You would 160 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: rotate through every two weeks, and when you were on 161 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: the fourth shift, it was all training. You spent your 162 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 2: two weeks going out to to our training zone in Besso, 163 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: Maryland that I mentioned in the last last episode, and 164 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: you would just you know, spend two weeks of you know, 165 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 2: you practice getting attacked. You we shoot, you know, we 166 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 2: we really put a high premium on all this stuff. 167 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 2: The shooting. We practice getting attacked. As President was shaking hands, 168 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 2: we'd practice getting attacked in motorcades. There were rooms in 169 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: the gym that the floor and walls and everything were 170 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 2: all covered with matts. You know, we'd just go in 171 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 2: and we'd fight all day, you know, practice like a 172 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: bad guy's trying to take my gun. How do I 173 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: how do I you know, retain my weapon? You know, 174 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: there's two guys trying to get me into a corner. 175 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 2: How do I disable one of them quickly so I'm 176 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: only fighting one guy or just able to get away. 177 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: That's the bigger thing. Create that opportunity to get out 178 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 2: of there. So that was how it worked with one 179 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: in charge of each shift, and how it went. When 180 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 2: you were first assigned to the President's data, you really 181 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: don't you really never get a chance for you or 182 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: introduced to the president. But one of the things that 183 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: also falls under the umbrel of the President's detail is 184 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 2: the security for people like the Chief of Staff and 185 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: the National Security Advisor. So like I was assigned when 186 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: I first got to the President's Detail, I was assigned 187 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: for about nine months to protect Condoleeza Rice when she 188 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 2: was the National Security Advisor. And then you'll go from there, 189 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 2: you'll come back and you'll go to another satellite. So 190 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: maybe you'll go with the first lady, or maybe you'll 191 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: go to our air security parents excuse me, which is 192 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: you're the person that works with the military and the 193 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: FAA to set up all the secure airspace where the 194 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: president goes. And then after that, that's when you come 195 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 2: back and you're pretty much spending all your time around 196 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: the president. You're a little bit more seasoned. You've got 197 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: to know the White House a little bit. You've got 198 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 2: to know how things go there, and very frankly, they're 199 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 2: looking to make sure you're going to be a good 200 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 2: fit in that assignment. And then that's when you come 201 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 2: back and start doing doing stuff right around the president. 202 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: I have so many questions based on what you just 203 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: told me, and I mean, I don't even know where 204 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: to begin. But you know, you learn a lot about 205 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: people based on how they treat people who can do 206 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: nothing for them, so to speak. There's obviously a power 207 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 1: dynamic at play. You're someone that is willing to take 208 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: a bullet for the person that you're protecting. Like what 209 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: kind of person? I think I probably already know the answer, 210 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: but what kind of person? And you know, you don't 211 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: have to disclose personal stuff, but what was it like 212 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: working for Condoleeza Rice or working with her? 213 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 2: I should say, you want to talk about just a 214 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 2: fabulous person, someone who I wished would have run for president. 215 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: She was just so kind. In fact, I'll tell you 216 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: this story and I actually got to introduce her. So 217 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 2: the Secret Service picks a couple people every year to 218 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 2: go to the military senior service schools like the War College, 219 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: the Eisenhower School, and a couple of years ago, I 220 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: was selected for the Eisenhower School, so they give you 221 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: ten months off to go get a master's degree. And 222 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 2: while I'm there, she came to give a speech to 223 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: the group and the president of the Commandant. I'm sorry 224 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 2: that the general in charge of the school at the 225 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 2: time found out that I had that, you know, somewhat 226 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 2: of a relationship with her, not that we kept in touch, 227 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: but and said, hey, would you like to introduce her? 228 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 2: And I said, oh, I'd love to. And I when 229 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 2: I introduced her, I told this story. So when I 230 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: was a new person on her detail, she lived in 231 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: the Watergate. So she came out the first morning I 232 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 2: was working and we get into the elevator and she says, oh, 233 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: you're a new face, and I said, yes, ma'am. You 234 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 2: know my name is Jeff James. It's a pleasure to meet. 235 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: And we did the pleasantries and she said, so where 236 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,359 Speaker 2: are you from? And I said, oh, I'm from Pittsburgh. 237 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 2: And the background is she is a huge Cleveland Brown fan. 238 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: So I'm standing in the front of the elevator where 239 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 2: the doors would open right in front of me, and 240 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: she's behind me, and she said, oh, well, I guess 241 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 2: if you're from Pittsburgh, you're a Steeler fan. And I said, yes, ma'am, 242 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 2: I believe black and Gold, and from behind me in 243 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: a stage whisper that she was certain I would hear 244 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 2: I hear. Oh, I hate the Steelers. So so I 245 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: assured her at that point that I would protect her anyway. 246 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 2: So it was a laugh we had there, and I 247 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: told that story when I introduced her, and she propably 248 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 2: came out and said, well, listen, I still hate the Steelers, 249 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: but I you know, I can still laugh about that story. 250 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 2: But just just a great lady, you know. You you'd 251 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 2: stand outside her door some nights and hear her and 252 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: there playing piano. She was a classical pianist, super intelligent, 253 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 2: great dip on that and just uh yeah, someone one 254 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 2: of those people you meet like like Cole and Powell, 255 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 2: who you say, you know, boy, I wish this person 256 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 2: would would throw their hat in the ring. But you understand, 257 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 2: and we talked about it last time too, that you 258 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: understand why people don't with the with the nature of 259 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 2: politics these days. 260 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: So mm hmmm. I mean, though it's those moments that 261 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: you talk about standing outside Condoleeza's Rice's door and listening 262 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: to her play pianos, those quiet moments that I think 263 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: are the most compelling. Uh, it's it's the story worries 264 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: that people really want to hear. What are these what 265 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: are these people like in private? I mean, and and 266 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: what was it like to protect them? And do you 267 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 1: have any other you have any other anecdotes like that 268 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: with Condoleeza Rice, because I'm sure you spent a lot 269 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: of time with her. I mean, I don't know if 270 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: you're you're actually physically driving in cars with her or 271 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: flying around with her. But I got to believe that 272 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: even when she goes overseas, you're still if Secret Service 273 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: is still with her. 274 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we So we took her everywhere, and in fact, 275 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: we took her on one trip to to Russia and 276 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 2: we're in Moscow and we go into the Kremlin and 277 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 2: she's in there having meetings with with her counterpart. And 278 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 2: as I'm standing there, KGB agent comes up to me 279 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: and he kind of nudges me with his elbow and 280 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 2: he says in broken English but clearly sending a message 281 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 2: to me, you know, we don't. We don't even like 282 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: Russians carry guns in the Kremlin. And he just kind 283 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 2: of turns and walks away. He's sending me the message 284 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 2: that you know, what a big deal this was. I don't. 285 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: I don't know. There was much resentment in his voice, 286 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 2: a little maybe a little bit, but but what it 287 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 2: made me realize was really just the idea, like how 288 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 2: big of a moment I was in right there. And 289 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: and you know, we we tried not to get overwhelmed 290 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 2: by moments because we couldn't because we're there to do 291 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: a job. But but at that second, you know, thinking 292 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 2: something like that, like like literally, here I am standing 293 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: in the Kremlin, you know, just like and I'll be 294 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: honest with you, Sean, I got that way. You know. 295 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 2: I always tell people the joke I'm a dumb kid 296 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: from you know, from the east side of Pittsburgh. And 297 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: they let me walk into the White House every day. 298 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: It was it's still it never got old. It was 299 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 2: a thrill every time. And and you know, to be 300 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: able to walk we you know, we'd do midnight shifts 301 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 2: and you know, it's quiet, and I would I would 302 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 2: take those moments that I didn't have something to do 303 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: because we we would hold our posts and then you'd 304 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: have downtime and you'd do it. You'd use that downtime 305 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: to get your paperwork done, your travel vouchers, or if 306 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 2: you had to do paperwork after you didn't advance, you'd 307 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: get that done. But then there'd be times where, you know, 308 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 2: the bosses would say, all right, let's go walk the 309 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 2: emergency evacuation route, because that training was a constant thing 310 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 2: we'd do. But then if I had that half hour 311 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 2: I wasn't doing anything, I would just, you know, go 312 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 2: walk around. In the ground floor of the White House, 313 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 2: just off the east wing, there's a library. And in 314 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 2: the library, on the on the wall and in a 315 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: plastic case is the sword that George Washington carried during 316 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: the Revolutionary War. And I would go down there and 317 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: I'd it'd be four in the morning, and I would 318 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: just stand and look at it and think, you know, 319 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 2: holy cow, that's that's George Washington's sword, and I'd just 320 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 2: kind of take in for a moment, allow myself to be, 321 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: for that one moment, overwhelmed by where I was. Because 322 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 2: you know, Tony Snow and I'm going to paraphrase, had 323 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 2: a quotation you know, and sadly he died, he died young. 324 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 2: He was a great guy that you know. Don't ever 325 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: forget that. Millions of people walk in front of the 326 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: White House every day and take pictures and dream about 327 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: coming inside, and we get to do that and never forget, 328 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: you know, what a big, big deal it is. And 329 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 2: I just I'm glad I never forgot what a big 330 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 2: deal it was. 331 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: I think, you know, even though you know the Secret 332 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: Service or consummate professionals, and you're there to do a 333 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: job one that is of monumental importance, and you're willing 334 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: to give your life for the person that you're protecting. 335 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's important to take some time 336 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: and have those moments. Otherwise those moments tend to pass 337 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: you by. I can't believe it's hard for me to 338 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: imagine what it would be like, you know, showing up 339 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: at the White House, scanning my badge, walking through the 340 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: halls like you. I don't think that would ever get 341 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: old to me. I don't think I would ever just 342 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: get become a part of the routine, you know. 343 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: I would hope it wouldn't for anybody, because your time 344 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 2: there is short. Whether the only people who stay in 345 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 2: place at the White House are the folks from the 346 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: National Park Service because they service the grounds, the White 347 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 2: House staff as far as like the folks who who 348 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,959 Speaker 2: claim who do the maintenance. There's a couple. At one 349 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,239 Speaker 2: point there was three full time florists. Like, they're not 350 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 2: really really political, so they don't change and we didn't 351 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: change either based on who was president. But your time 352 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: there was five years, and if you came back as 353 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 2: a supervisor, you know you had a chance to spend 354 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 2: a couple more years there, but you knew it was 355 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 2: a short lived time. And if you work for an administration, 356 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 2: the most you got is eight years, right, So I 357 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: think everybody has that idea that you know you're not 358 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: long for these assignments, so make sure you appreciate it. 359 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: Today, I want to talk about something that's been on 360 00:18:55,359 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: the minds of many Americans lately, energy independent. 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So if 377 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: you're looking for a job with purpose and meaning, or 378 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 1: if you're simply passionate about American energy independence, then you 379 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: should definitely check out Deep Well Services. Visit their website 380 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: at Deepwellservices dot com to learn more about their company 381 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: and career opportunities. So how do you train? You said 382 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: training was always part of what you did, but I 383 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: you know, having been through a fair amount of tactical 384 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: training myself, how do you train when you don't have 385 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: the person you're protecting there? So when you talk about hey, 386 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna run a drill where the President 387 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: of the United States gets attacked while he was shaking hands. 388 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: And by the way, just as a quick side story, 389 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: I mean, there were times like when I was running 390 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: for Senate or or even for the House before that, 391 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: where there's such a frenzy of activity or around you. 392 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: Or then you add another layer to that when say 393 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: President Trump came to town and there are thirty thirty 394 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: thousand people at these rallies. How I mean it could 395 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: anybody that I had no protection when I was out 396 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: there was as a candidate, but anybody, it feels like 397 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 1: at any time could walk up to you and attack you. 398 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: And you know, candidate, you don't have eyes in the 399 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: back of your head. That was always something that was 400 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 1: on my mind in this super polarizing political environment that 401 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: we live in. You know, people are crazy sometimes, and 402 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: so how do you how do you train for something though, 403 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: when when half a second could be the difference between 404 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: life and death, but you're not training with the principle 405 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: so to speak. 406 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 2: Well, we would always get somebody to play the president. 407 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: Usually one of our instructors would play the president that 408 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: in that scenario, but one of the things we did too, 409 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 2: was we would bring the president's staff out with us. 410 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 2: So we would bring the White House doctors out, you know, 411 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 2: sometimes some of his high level staff would come out 412 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 2: because one of the things they needed to understand was, Hey, 413 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 2: if something happens, we are going, like we are throwing 414 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 2: the president in the car and we are gone, Like 415 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 2: when you teach people about run, hide, fight, Like all 416 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: the SEVERER Service has ever done is running, you know, 417 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 2: like we are hitting the car and we are going. 418 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: And I think you saw that work real well when 419 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 2: when John Hinckley shot President Reagan. They threw the president 420 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 2: of the car and they took off. 421 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: And I wanted to ask you about that. Break that 422 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 1: prett yet, So John Hinckley, break before you go any further, 423 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: break that down for me, Like what was the scenario? 424 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, how was that done? 425 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 2: Right? 426 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: I mean, how, yeah, talk to me about that. 427 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 2: It worked perfectly in the So prior to that, our 428 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 2: protocol was you always kept the limousine door closed because 429 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: the thought was you don't want somebody to throw something 430 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 2: into the into the car, whether it was a Bilogs 431 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 2: equation or a bomb. And then President Ford had two 432 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 2: assassination attempts in two weeks, and on one of the 433 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 2: assassination attempts, he was walking out of the hotel toward 434 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 2: the cars that the door was closed and squeaky from 435 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 2: shout out shut him from across the street, and the bullets, 436 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 2: you know, hit the side of the Saint Francis Hotel. 437 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 2: But as the President's momentum was moving him forward and 438 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 2: they heard the shots and everybody got down against the car, 439 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 2: what they realized was that they had to back the 440 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 2: president away from the armor to open the door and 441 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: get them in. So that's when the protocol changed that 442 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 2: somebody always has the door open. And you'll see, even 443 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 2: when the president's walking in a parade, there's going to 444 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 2: be somebody right by the door. Sometimes they'll have the door, 445 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 2: you know, just with their hand chalked open a little bit. 446 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 2: But if he's like when they say all right, we're 447 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 2: coming out, like, somebody has that door wide open, so 448 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 2: he could just come out and go right in. So 449 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 2: when President the President was walking out of the Washington 450 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 2: Hilton and the shots rang out, Jerry Parr, who was 451 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: the detail leader, just shoved the President's head down, shoved 452 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 2: him in the car, you know, three people were hitting 453 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 2: in the fire. Officer Dellahnny of Washington, DC Police officer 454 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 2: was hit in the back of the neck. Of course, 455 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 2: Jim Brady sustained the most serious ruin. He was hitting 456 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 2: the forehead and Secret Service legend Tim McCarthy, who I 457 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 2: spoke to about this, and he said, you know, I 458 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 2: heard the shots, but I never saw the gun. He said, 459 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 2: so I just turned and tried to make myself a 460 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 2: big target. If you ever watch the video he does, 461 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: he turns and he kind of does this and he 462 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 2: gets shot in the abdomen as he's the President's right 463 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 2: behind him, as mister Parr shoving him into the car, 464 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 2: So that that would have been another hit on the 465 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 2: president had Tim not done that incredibly brave thing. Now, 466 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 2: the fluke of it all was that as the President 467 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 2: was being pushed into the car, you know when you 468 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 2: open your car door and there's that gap between the 469 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 2: frame and the window. John Hinckley's fifth shot hit the 470 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: side of the limousine and it flattened out like a dime, 471 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 2: and it ricocheted into that opening. And as mister Parr 472 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 2: was pushing the President in the President was in that 473 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 2: opening when it hit him and the President put his 474 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 2: arms out to break his fall and the bullet went 475 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 2: into right under his left arm pit. 476 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's such a terrible place to be shot. 477 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean getting shot is terrible, period. But 478 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: that like when guy, when guys got shot underneath where 479 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: their ivy at their body armor was, I mean that's it. Yeah, 480 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: no armor there, but oh my god, like that is 481 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 1: that is crazy. 482 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: So what we found is in spite of that lucky 483 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 2: ricochet that Hinckley got that that plan works, you know, 484 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 2: and and they took so to go back to my 485 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 2: previous story, you know, they throw the president in the 486 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 2: car and they take off. Well, the president's doctor, the 487 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 2: military aid, none of them got to the cars. So 488 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 2: the President was essentially isolated from them until they could 489 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 2: get there, and especially if the military aid, it's a 490 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 2: big deal. So we started to bring those folks out 491 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 2: at the docks and military aids and they train with 492 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 2: us just to learn like, hey, we are going like 493 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 2: you can get in a car, you can get on 494 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: a car, but we're going without you, like we're not 495 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 2: and we're certainly not going to open an armor door 496 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 2: to say okay, like that stuff in the movie like 497 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 2: good in here like that. That's and in fact, we 498 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 2: really have at least when I left, we had no 499 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 2: plan to recover our wounded, except we always kept an 500 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 2: ambulance at the middle, at the back of the motorcade 501 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 2: to help with any collateral damage. So as Tim McCarthy 502 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 2: got shot that day, and he was laying there on 503 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 2: the ground, and there were other agents who were who 504 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 2: were you know, still behind who were able to render aid. 505 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 2: But you know, our focus is the president and getting 506 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 2: the president of safety and getting them out of the 507 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 2: hot zone. It's not it's really not you know, recovering 508 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 2: our own at that moment. 509 00:26:55,600 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: So it's yes, I mean you talked about, you talked 510 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: about you know, how you train and how you frame things. 511 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: You know, you know, it's bad if somebody gets hurt, 512 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: it's worse if the principal gets hurt. Like this might 513 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: seem like a tough question, and I certainly don't mean 514 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: it to come off like that, but was there a 515 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: failure in in I mean, despite the heroic actions of 516 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,479 Speaker 1: the agents that day, it certainly didn't seem like there 517 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: was a failure because as I always say, like look 518 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: at the enemy gets a vote, no matter how great 519 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: your training is, no matter how well prepared you are. 520 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: It's like Mike Tyson, you know, it's like his quote, 521 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: like everybody has a plan and so they get until 522 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: they get punched in the face. And so and the 523 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: key is is how do you react when that punch 524 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: comes and the training kicks in. And clearly, on the 525 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: day that the assassination attempt had it was made on 526 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan's life, the training worked. But I don't know, 527 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: I mean, how do you how do I guess my 528 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 1: question is how do how does Secret Service measure success? 529 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: Do you think that the agents that day felt like 530 00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,959 Speaker 1: they let something slip through the cracks? 531 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 2: Well, so, for changes, for significant changes were made in 532 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 2: Secret Service operations based on that one attempt, and I 533 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 2: think maybe they're maybe it's something that that should have 534 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 2: been happening prior to you know, maybe there was conversations 535 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 2: about that, like, oh, we probably should have done this 536 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 2: all along. 537 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, you will find your tactics, techniques and procedures 538 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: based on the situation. You just always have to be 539 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: that's what good units do you evolve And so it 540 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: sounds like that's what you're talking about. 541 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 2: Right, So The one thing is you will almost never 542 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 2: see the president come and go in the open like 543 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 2: like President Reagan. 544 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: Was that day. 545 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 2: You know, maybe for brief brief times, like when the 546 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 2: President goes to Saint John's Church across from the White 547 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 2: House on the other side Lafayette Park, you know you'll 548 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 2: quickly see him get out and hop up those those 549 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 2: short steps. But if we can't arrive underground, when I 550 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,719 Speaker 2: keep saying we when if the Secret Service can't take 551 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 2: the president underground to arrive somewhere, uh, they'll build these 552 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 2: big tents they could pull the limousine into. Now they're 553 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 2: not ballistic, but what they do is they eliminate line 554 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 2: site because you never know when the president's in the 555 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 2: car when he's out of the car. So that's one 556 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 2: thing that changed, is the president being in the open. 557 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 2: The other thing that changed was John Hinckley was able 558 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 2: to get close enough to the President to shoot him 559 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 2: because what he did was the press gaggle was there 560 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 2: behind a rope and stanchion, and he just went and 561 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,239 Speaker 2: stood in there with all the press folks. No one 562 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 2: told him he couldn't be there. So now what we 563 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 2: do is there's an agent always assigned with a press pool. 564 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 2: He make sure everybody has their hard tag, they're vetted. 565 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you, the press is very good about 566 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 2: policing themselves. I was a press agent with President Clinton 567 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 2: for a trip to India and oversees the press pool 568 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 2: just it's eighty ninety people because foreign press jumps on, 569 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 2: and they're very good about. Like, there was a couple 570 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 2: of times people came up to me and tapped me 571 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 2: and they're like, hey, none of us know this guy 572 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 2: over here in the red shirt. And we'd be able 573 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 2: to be like, Okay, you don't belong here, or we'd 574 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 2: find out, you know, he'd be like, oh crap, my 575 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 2: credential and we'd know, like we'd go verify who he 576 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 2: was and things like that. The other change was I 577 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 2: mentioned that the you know when the when the people 578 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 2: were wounded, you know, Officer Della Handy, mister Brady and 579 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,719 Speaker 2: agent McCarthy. You know, they had to call ambulances and 580 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 2: you know, ambulances come rolling in. You know, it's after 581 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 2: the facts. So now, like I said, we keep that 582 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 2: one ambulance with the with the motorcade, Well there's actually 583 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 2: a couple ones dedicated just to the President and then 584 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 2: the one at the back will be for any collateral 585 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 2: damage that might happen. And then and then the other 586 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 2: part is and this was in play already, like the 587 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 2: snipers are there, but now like our snipers also are 588 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 2: there for for intewn movements, which wasn't always happening at 589 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 2: that point in nineteen eighty, but now we utilize our 590 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 2: snipers everywhere to give us that big bubble over the top, 591 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 2: and not that it would have been appropriate for that 592 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 2: because because the crowd and everything moving around. Yeah, but 593 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 2: those are those are some of the changes we made too, 594 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 2: just like, Okay, we've had this event, how do we 595 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 2: mitigate this event from ever happening again. 596 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what great. That's what the best 597 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: of the best tactical units do. I mean, you know, 598 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: and I asked the question because I bet you in 599 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: the wake of that there were some Secret Service agents 600 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: that were kicking themselves just because I know how men 601 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: and women act in those scenarios. They if they're in 602 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: an elite position like that, then you're a true believer 603 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: of your mission. And I mean I had I had 604 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: guys Jeff that you know, found themselves in you know, 605 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: the center of a kill zone, of an ambush and afterwards, 606 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: I mean, they fought a fight, they get themselves and 607 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: their men out alive, and afterwards they're kicking themselves for 608 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: finding themselves in the situation in the first place that 609 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: I'm I always found myself saying like, this is not 610 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: your fault. You know, the enemy gets to vote. Like 611 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: our job, Yeah, our job is to prepare and train 612 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: and do everything we can to mitigate that punch when 613 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: the enemy throws a punch, But to mitigate that and yeah, 614 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: I just wondered if the secret Service was, you know, 615 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,239 Speaker 1: if you found yourself well being competitive. You know it's 616 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: it sounds silly to phrase it as competition, but you are. 617 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: I mean the stakes are life and death, but you 618 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: are competing well. 619 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 2: One of the men I talked to who was working 620 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 2: that day and I was so when I when I 621 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 2: did my first master's degree, my culminating project was about 622 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 2: how the law changed after that because John Hinckley was 623 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 2: found not guilty by reason of insanity, so they changed 624 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 2: the insanity defense. And that's a long story. So I 625 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 2: talked to all the men and women who were involved 626 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 2: that day, and one of them was Bob Wonko, who 627 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 2: sadly just passed away last week. But he's the guy 628 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 2: you might see in the pictures. He's holding up the 629 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 2: ouzi and he's directing people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And when 630 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 2: I talked to him, one of the things he said 631 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 2: was he was po to himself that he and get 632 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 2: to the cars. But he said, once I realized I 633 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 2: wasn't going to get there, I got the sub machine 634 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 2: gun out. And now my assignment is we didn't know 635 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 2: if John Hinckley act alone. It's during the Cold War, 636 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 2: there might be a team of Russian commando's coming down 637 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 2: the street. I'm going to protect my fellow agents. You know, 638 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 2: I'm ready to go. That's my new mission. But he 639 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 2: said he was, and this was, you know, decades later, 640 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 2: and he's like, I'm still so ticked off of myself 641 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 2: that I didn't get to the cars. But yeah, so 642 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 2: there's that, you know, there's that that competition when you 643 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 2: get it right, you know. And and and I'll tell 644 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 2: you the one thing I I still appreciate so much 645 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 2: now is the h that training piece that the Secret 646 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 2: Service put in me, that that never stopping, even the 647 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 2: mental reps. You know, read an article not too long ago. 648 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 2: That said, by the time you're thirty five, ninety percent 649 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 2: of your day is habit and routine. And you think 650 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 2: about it, it's really true. Like your coffee is the same 651 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 2: every morning, you know, you eat at the same time 652 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 2: every day. And but a corresponding article to that I 653 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 2: read is about this reflexive and reflective mind that you have. 654 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 2: That you know, your reflective mind can slow you down 655 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 2: in those moments of tension where you get the tunnel 656 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 2: vision and you don't react even though your reflexive mind 657 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 2: is kicking in. Well, you can, you know, even through 658 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 2: reps of just like I put out to my men 659 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 2: and women here all the time about you know, we 660 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 2: see officers getting attacked in their cruisers. You know, take 661 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 2: some time before you go on shift, empty your handgun 662 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 2: so you're doing it safely, and sit in your car 663 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 2: and just make sure you can draw while you're sitting 664 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,240 Speaker 2: in your cruiser, like make sure you can protect yourself. 665 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 2: Practice that dry fire, like if you can't get to 666 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 2: the range, dry fire. Because all these things we do, 667 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 2: these mental reps, you can speed up that ooda loop, 668 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 2: you know, the oot of the observe orient the side 669 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 2: ad that loop when you're in those moments attention. You 670 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 2: can speed that up just through mental reps. So you know, 671 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 2: I'm I'm glad that the Secret Service put that in me. 672 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 2: I got some great training from some great trainers and 673 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 2: and that's stuff you know, I really want to pass 674 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 2: on to my men and women here about. You know, 675 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 2: just if you can't do it, think about it, you know, 676 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 2: and practice it in your head and do the mental 677 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 2: reps too. So so I'm glad I was I'm glad 678 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 2: I was given that gift. 679 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, well, I mean it is an incredible It 680 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: is an incredible gift. And your your your officers that 681 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,760 Speaker 1: serve with you or they're lucky to have that knowledge 682 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: and you you're there to pass it along to them, 683 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 1: you know, because it could save lives. I mean, ultimately, 684 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but it's complacency does kill 685 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: if you find yourself like routine, especially in a tactical 686 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: scenario where an enemy is watching what you do and 687 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: your patterns, and you know, hey, if you're walking in 688 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: and out of your house at the same time every day, 689 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: you know, you know, back here at home is not 690 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: a big deal. But if you're the president of the 691 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: United States, and people want to do you harm, or 692 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: you're in combat where an enemy wants to kill you 693 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: like that, that's not a good thing, you know. So 694 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 1: getting complacent like that and just allowing yourself to fall 695 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: into those patterns can get can get people hurt and killed. 696 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I tell them all the time too. You know, 697 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 2: take training personally. You know there's that person there that 698 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 2: you know, all the statistics tell us that police shootings 699 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 2: take take place within about five feet, right, You're never 700 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 2: really a lot of times, never more than a few 701 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 2: yards away from your enemy. But I tell them, you know, 702 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 2: that person wants to kill you, whether they're three yards 703 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 2: away or whether they are one hundred feet away, Like, 704 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 2: are you going to be able to neutralize that threat? Like? 705 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 2: You know, think again, it's it's think about practice and 706 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 2: then I'm sure you know I read your book. You 707 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 2: know you guys are being watched all the time on 708 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 2: your on your maneuvers, and you knew, you knew it 709 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 2: was just going to be a matter of time till 710 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 2: you got attacked, and you put in your head every 711 00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 2: day this is a date it's going to happen. So 712 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 2: you're ready for it, and you're you're here to tell 713 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 2: a story because of that. 714 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: So you know, I that's why everything you say resonates 715 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: with me personally, even though our jobs and our missions 716 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,879 Speaker 1: were so so very different. But I mean, you were 717 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: clearly doing it the right way in the Secret Service. 718 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 1: And so I want to ask you about a couple 719 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: of things that maybe didn't go the way of the 720 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: Secret Service, But ask you about a scenario JFK. I mean, 721 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: millions of people, millions of theories on what happened there, 722 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: but give me, give me a sense, your sense of 723 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,879 Speaker 1: someone who's protected presidents, what happened with the JFK assassination, 724 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: and just your opinion. 725 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, so the first thing that happened, And again, blessed 726 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 2: and fortunate to be in a position to have met 727 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 2: and had a couple of conversations with Clint Hill, who 728 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 2: was the guy who jumped on the back of the 729 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 2: limousine and pushed pushed missus, missus Kennedy back in the car. 730 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 2: He was actually assigned to protect her, And in talking 731 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 2: to him, one of the things he told me that 732 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 2: stuck with me was, you know, they didn't everybody knows 733 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 2: the ear pieces, right, we have the ear pieces and 734 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 2: the races we talk to each other. He said, they 735 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,240 Speaker 2: didn't even have that. He said, they would be walking 736 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 2: along the limits, you know, beside the limousine as the 737 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 2: President was going, and they would use code, they'd knock 738 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 2: on the side of the limousine to signal each other, 739 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 2: or they would just have to like yell to each other. 740 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 2: So they were so far behind the eight ball technologically, 741 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 2: the counter sniper program hadn't been developed yet because Secret 742 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 2: Service snipers were the only snipers in the United States 743 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 2: don't I don't know about international teams, but they're the 744 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 2: only law enforcement snipers in the United States that don't 745 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,319 Speaker 2: need a Green Knight authorization from a supervisor to use 746 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 2: deadly force. If they see a threat, they could neutralize 747 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,839 Speaker 2: a threat. So that day in Dallas, as soon as 748 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 2: that barrel would have come out the window of the 749 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 2: school book depository, if that happened today, it would be neutralized. 750 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 2: That wasn't an asset in place yet. And then of 751 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 2: course the president riding in an open car again, something 752 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 2: that you know, you really didn't see much after that. 753 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 2: You'd see some of them, you know, you have pictures 754 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 2: of them outside of the sun roof, you know, waving 755 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 2: and parades and stuff. But so those three things put 756 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 2: the Secret Service so far behind the eight ball. And 757 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 2: that regardless of what conspiracy you think, if you think 758 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 2: it was Lee Harvey osweld enact alone, or if you 759 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 2: think it was a CIA team or the mafia, it 760 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 2: was it was ripe for success by the bad guys 761 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 2: because at that point the Secret Service all they really 762 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 2: had to mitigate that threat was getting between that bullet 763 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 2: and the president. There really wasn't much money. 764 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: I mean, how I mean talk about maybe this is 765 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 1: the wrong way to say it, so if it is, 766 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: for forgive me if but but I mean talk about 767 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: being set up for failure. Yeah, I mean, you're you're 768 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,720 Speaker 1: in a parade, You're in a city, there's a million 769 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: win all around you. There's people lying in the streets. 770 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 1: You're Yeah, it's slow moving, it's slow moving. Target. You 771 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: have a difficult you don't have comms, You're you're you're 772 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: knocking on cars to communicate with each other, and it's chaos. 773 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: It's chaos. So how do even if you're knocking, how 774 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: do you really know? I mean, how do you even 775 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: how do you know? How do you hear? I just 776 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: feel like, how do you how does the Secret Service. 777 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 1: How do you even protect something like that to begin with? 778 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: You know, even today, even today, if if if the 779 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 1: president's gonna you know when you see presidents go and 780 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,399 Speaker 1: visit Iraq and Afghanistan, Yes they fly out in Air 781 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: Force one in the middle of the night. No one 782 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 1: knows they're going there. But you know there are a 783 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: million local nationals working on these forward operating bases that 784 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: all of them could be a threat at any given time. 785 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: How do you secure any of that? I mean, it's 786 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,720 Speaker 1: just the whole It just seems like a herculean task. 787 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it can be, but that's why we One of 788 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,880 Speaker 2: the things we do with our advanced teams is, you know, 789 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 2: you're really only in charge of this much during an advance. 790 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 2: So if if the President was coming to I don't 791 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 2: pick a place in the Hilton downtown Pittsburgh to give 792 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,320 Speaker 2: a speech like, I would be in charge of securing 793 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 2: the Hilton, and that's all I would do. I would 794 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 2: tell you how many post standerds I needed. I'd say, 795 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 2: all right, this is where we're coming in, this is 796 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 2: a you know, the route he's going to walk. This 797 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 2: is how many people I need to secure it. Then 798 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 2: someone else is in charge of the motorcade to get 799 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,799 Speaker 2: him there, and someone else is in charge, like then 800 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 2: we have our our guys, who our uniform oustorers who 801 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 2: run the metal detectors. They'll come out to decide how 802 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 2: many metal detectors we need. Then we have our sniper team. 803 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 2: Then we have our counter assault team who's like our 804 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 2: swat team that travels with them. So the reason I'm 805 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 2: saying that is you only are in charge of this 806 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,319 Speaker 2: much because it would really get away from you if 807 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 2: you try to do more. And that's when mistakes are 808 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,799 Speaker 2: going to be made. You know, you do have a 809 00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 2: lead agent who's in charge of everything. They're like the 810 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 2: they lias with the staff about how it's going to look, 811 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 2: and you know, the fine finer tune things like some 812 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 2: big picture stuff but also some smaller stuff and it 813 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 2: and it really is just the idea of what we 814 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 2: tried to make everywhere the President went as safe as 815 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 2: the White House was, knowing that we were most vulnerable 816 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 2: during the motorcades. In fact, when we got hold in 817 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 2: the early right after the war started, we got hold 818 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 2: of one of the al Qaeda training manuals. It actually 819 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 2: said in there that one of the stupid things Americans 820 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 2: did was put the president in a car and drive 821 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 2: him from place to place. And they used the Arabic 822 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,960 Speaker 2: word for safe. They said, they take him out of 823 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 2: the safe, out of the White House, and they put 824 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 2: him in a car and drive him around you know 825 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 2: where it's it's I mean, he's the people's president, right, 826 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 2: he has to get out, he has to he has 827 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 2: to do that. But we knew we were most vulnerable 828 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 2: in the motor case. So we you know, the cars 829 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 2: are heavily armored. We were moving fast. You know, we 830 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 2: we had a lot of assets in the motorcade that 831 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,359 Speaker 2: are actually you know, I sound like a jerk saying 832 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,799 Speaker 2: it's but they're classified that we could utilize if we 833 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 2: had to. But then when we got to that next stop, 834 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 2: we had the confidence in the advanced team that it 835 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 2: was it was as secure as as the White House was. 836 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,640 Speaker 2: We were taking the president the safest place possible. 837 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's so fascinating, Jeffy, you 838 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 1: talk about, you know, again speaking of someone in the 839 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,839 Speaker 1: military unit, this is what when people say that your 840 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 1: life is in the hands of others, and you you 841 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: trust that person, you put you actively place your life 842 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 1: sometimes in the hands of your brother or sister who's 843 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 1: out there with you on the line. But it's no 844 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 1: different when you're you know, mobilizing a president. You're in 845 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,320 Speaker 1: a convoy one hundred miles an hour down the freeway. 846 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 1: You're in a vulnerable position. But you know that when 847 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 1: you arrive on site that the ad on guys, the 848 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,719 Speaker 1: guys that were supposed to prep a site for the 849 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,240 Speaker 1: president coming in, do their job, and you just trust 850 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: that it happens. It sounds like. 851 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and and you know that that kind of permeates 852 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,919 Speaker 2: all through law enforcement. You know, the men and women 853 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 2: I work with, you know, I you know, I trust 854 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,759 Speaker 2: if something happens today and I go down there, they're 855 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,359 Speaker 2: gonna they're gonna drag me to where I need to go, right, 856 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,799 Speaker 2: They're gonna, they're gonna render aid. They're gonna they're gonna 857 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,840 Speaker 2: help me. You know, they're going to be right behind 858 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 2: me if if you know, bullets start to fly or 859 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 2: I'm going to be right behind them. You know, that's 860 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,240 Speaker 2: that mutual support. So I think that permeates all law enforcement, 861 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,920 Speaker 2: not that you don't have personalities like and I tell them, 862 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 2: I'm very frank about this like I worked with people 863 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 2: in the Secret Service that I wouldn't have dinner with. 864 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:46,879 Speaker 2: But I knew that if they were working the six 865 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 2: o'clock position on me, that I never had to turn 866 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,840 Speaker 2: around and check, like I knew they had it. So, 867 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,759 Speaker 2: you know, sometimes personalities aside where where the rubber met 868 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 2: the road was in those moments of those assignments, it 869 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:00,359 Speaker 2: was getting done. 870 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,360 Speaker 1: Let me ask you about another scenario, Jeff. It's twenty twenty, 871 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: it's the Summer of Love. There's thousands of people outside 872 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,839 Speaker 1: the White House, shaking the fence. They've got some mock 873 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,000 Speaker 1: guillotine cutting off the head of the president. They're burning 874 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,879 Speaker 1: fires everywhere. Uniform Secret Service officers are getting hurt. Put 875 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,840 Speaker 1: me in the shoes of the Secret Service in the 876 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,280 Speaker 1: White House. What are you thinking? I mean, because watching 877 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,120 Speaker 1: that as a military guy, right, I'm thinking, how the 878 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 1: hell is a Secret Service going to get a rap 879 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 1: on this? I mean, if these people breach this gate 880 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 1: and run to the White House, there's no way they 881 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:35,840 Speaker 1: can stop all of them. 882 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I did some media when that happened, and 883 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,840 Speaker 2: the one thing I said then that I will repeat 884 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,080 Speaker 2: now is I would put my back to the White 885 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,920 Speaker 2: House and I would be there until I ran out 886 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 2: of ammunition or until a bullet went through my head. 887 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 2: Like that was just going to be it. Now it 888 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,360 Speaker 2: goes beyond evacuating the president, Like we could take the president, 889 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:01,840 Speaker 2: we can get him out and people would never know. 890 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,720 Speaker 2: But we were never going to let eighteen fourteen happen again, 891 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,320 Speaker 2: where the British came in and burned down the White House. 892 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,319 Speaker 2: That was never going to be an option. Yeah. Yeah, 893 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,240 Speaker 2: the White House is a symbol of our democracy. It's 894 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,480 Speaker 2: a worldwide symbol of our democracy, and we're not going 895 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 2: to let anybody put a hand on it. So that 896 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,279 Speaker 2: that was how I felt then, and that's how I 897 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:33,120 Speaker 2: feel now. And I gotta believe that everybody else, the 898 00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 2: uniform guys and gals and the agents that were there 899 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 2: that day, and even the people who came in when 900 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,799 Speaker 2: they weren't supposed to that they came in because that's 901 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:41,480 Speaker 2: how they felt. 902 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,080 Speaker 1: So go one step further. So a couple of days later, 903 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,880 Speaker 1: things died down, but there are still a million protesters 904 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,799 Speaker 1: in and around the Capitol and the White House, and 905 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 1: President Trump, along with Milly and all the Secretary Defense 906 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,720 Speaker 1: walks out to walks to Saint John. They just just 907 00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 1: just try to burn down Saint John's historic church and 908 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,680 Speaker 1: the President walks out in open air because you just 909 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,680 Speaker 1: said in this episode, like we don't it's we don't 910 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,919 Speaker 1: really like the president doing that. Yeah, but president walks 911 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,759 Speaker 1: out with an open air to stand at Saint Saint 912 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,200 Speaker 1: John's church. What are you thinking about that? How do 913 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:14,680 Speaker 1: you how do you protect against that? 914 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:20,719 Speaker 2: Yeah? So at some point we have to leave the 915 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,560 Speaker 2: comfort zone. Right if life would be easy if the 916 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 2: President never left the White House. So at some point, 917 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 2: you know, we have to use our training and we 918 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,360 Speaker 2: have to say, all right, we trust our snipers, we 919 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,840 Speaker 2: trust our spotters who are you know, we have agency 920 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 2: who assigned as counter sniper response who if somebody sees 921 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,400 Speaker 2: a window open, they react to it as well. You know, 922 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,160 Speaker 2: we trust our outer perimeter to not let any cars in. 923 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,759 Speaker 2: So you are, you are leaning a lot on the 924 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,360 Speaker 2: trust of people. But again it's that it's that idea 925 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:56,239 Speaker 2: that you know, I know, nobody's gonna nobody's gonna break 926 00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,759 Speaker 2: down intentionally, but there is a breakdown, it'll be communicated 927 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,400 Speaker 2: and you know, we can move the president if we 928 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,440 Speaker 2: have to, But in those moments, it's you know, when 929 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,880 Speaker 2: you come out of that sterile environment and into a 930 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 2: place where he really needs to be protected. And those 931 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:15,839 Speaker 2: times you really get to use your training. It's it's 932 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 2: a little bit of a thrill, you know, actually to 933 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,799 Speaker 2: know to be able to say you you know, you 934 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,680 Speaker 2: were there in those moments. And and I remember one time, 935 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,040 Speaker 2: I forget what year it was, but President Bush was 936 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,760 Speaker 2: walking in the parade Saint Patrick's Day parade in Chicago. 937 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 2: And that stuff's mostly scripted, right, so the president, we 938 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,520 Speaker 2: tell him, you'll get out of a mizzine at this point, 939 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,200 Speaker 2: and you'll get back in at this point, and anybody 940 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:43,680 Speaker 2: who's in those zones will have been through metal detectors. Well, 941 00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 2: the President's side, he wanted to keep walking, so he 942 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,040 Speaker 2: went past the zone where people had been through bags 943 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,600 Speaker 2: and and you know, some people didn't like it, and 944 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,160 Speaker 2: you know, you hear the chatter on the radio about hey, 945 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,359 Speaker 2: somebody getting back in. Somebody got back in. But you know, 946 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,399 Speaker 2: but it is those moments where we get to use 947 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,360 Speaker 2: our training and we you know, we come back to 948 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,719 Speaker 2: the the basics of you know, get your head on 949 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,520 Speaker 2: a swivel. You know what you're looking for, you're looking 950 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 2: for those furtive movements. You're looking for those things that 951 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,759 Speaker 2: are out of place, looking for somebody trying to get 952 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,319 Speaker 2: over the barrier. All that, you know, all the stuff 953 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,360 Speaker 2: you're looking for that, you know, really being able to 954 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,160 Speaker 2: lean on that and lean on each other was you know, 955 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,880 Speaker 2: at those times where you're not in necessterile environment, it's 956 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,040 Speaker 2: like I says, a little bit of a thrill. You know, 957 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,880 Speaker 2: you get that tension headache, but it's still a little. 958 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,520 Speaker 1: So you ever find yourself when a president wants to, 959 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,680 Speaker 1: you know, do like walk to the Saint John's Church 960 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,640 Speaker 1: or wat walk a little bit longer in the parade 961 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,080 Speaker 1: in Chicago? Is your first reaction ever like, well, sn 962 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,840 Speaker 1: of a bitch, here we go. Is there ever even 963 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,120 Speaker 1: the second hesitation? Because I know in the infanty like 964 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,200 Speaker 1: there always is, God, I don't want to do this, 965 00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:49,640 Speaker 1: but you saddle up and go anyway. 966 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know you'd always like it to go 967 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,719 Speaker 2: by the script. I think. So it is that that. 968 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,440 Speaker 2: I guess the biggest groans I always had was the 969 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,200 Speaker 2: short notice stuff like and and it always surrounded like 970 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,719 Speaker 2: a terrible a terrible event, you know, like when the 971 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 2: tornadoes go through the South or the wildfires and the 972 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,719 Speaker 2: president or you know, Hurricane Katrina when the President says, hey, 973 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,239 Speaker 2: I got to get down there, and you have like 974 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,160 Speaker 2: a day and a half to go do your advance. 975 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,919 Speaker 2: You know, we those things are First of all, there's 976 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,879 Speaker 2: the groan because you know you're going to see have 977 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,560 Speaker 2: to see this terrible, this carnage that happened, you know, 978 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:33,480 Speaker 2: homes destroyed and people's lives uprooted. But there's also the 979 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,879 Speaker 2: the idea that you know, you're you're a little bit 980 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,840 Speaker 2: less prepared than you would like to be. And not 981 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,360 Speaker 2: that not that we have our intentionally cut corners, but 982 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,200 Speaker 2: you know you're just going to be awake for thirty 983 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,279 Speaker 2: hours instead of being able to take seven days and 984 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,080 Speaker 2: have everything squared away. It's it's a spring at that point. 985 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:58,480 Speaker 2: So those those to me were the biggest Like, oh. 986 00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, so President George W. Bush worked for him, right, 987 00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:01,760 Speaker 1: you were on his detail? 988 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:02,840 Speaker 2: Correct? Yeah? 989 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,080 Speaker 1: Good good guy? What do you think of him? 990 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? And and you know, in spite of their politics, 991 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,360 Speaker 2: I found that he and President Obama were an awful 992 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,319 Speaker 2: lot alike in a couple of ways. They they were 993 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,120 Speaker 2: good to us, they were good to all of law enforcement. 994 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,920 Speaker 2: Actually love their wives, love their kids. Didn't want to 995 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,040 Speaker 2: be away from their families very much, neither one of them. 996 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,279 Speaker 2: And and yeah, you know sports fans, you know, they 997 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,120 Speaker 2: again the kind of guys that you could watch a 998 00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,360 Speaker 2: college football game with and uh, you know, and they'd 999 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,640 Speaker 2: be they'd be right in it, hooting and hollering with you. 1000 00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,759 Speaker 2: So yeah, they Yeah, but both good guys in spite 1001 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,040 Speaker 2: of politics. Both I think in their hearts good guys. 1002 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,680 Speaker 2: And I think you've seen that now that they're both 1003 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,560 Speaker 2: out of office, that their families have become close. So 1004 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,520 Speaker 2: I think that's you know, that's something. But I'll tell 1005 00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,960 Speaker 2: you the guy who and I'm going to tell you 1006 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,440 Speaker 2: two stories about the guy who I just I didn't 1007 00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,879 Speaker 2: work with a lot, but I just had so much 1008 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,400 Speaker 2: respect for and probably almost seem like too kind hearted 1009 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,799 Speaker 2: of a person and too nice of a person to 1010 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,960 Speaker 2: be in politics. Was the first President Bush. 1011 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,799 Speaker 1: And something that I admire him. I admire him a lot. 1012 00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,040 Speaker 2: I know you dipped your toe into politics, and uh, 1013 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,080 Speaker 2: you know, I admire you a lot. In our my 1014 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,160 Speaker 2: state representative here, Mike Kelly, I think is in Pennsylvania 1015 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,359 Speaker 2: is a great guy. Like so there are there are 1016 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 2: you know, people of character in politics. But so the 1017 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,000 Speaker 2: two stories I'll tell about Foreign President Bush was in 1018 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,520 Speaker 2: twenty thirteen. He's a former president and one of our 1019 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:44,520 Speaker 2: asists on his detail, John John's son Patrick. They discovered 1020 00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,160 Speaker 2: he had leukemia and he was going through treatments and 1021 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,239 Speaker 2: this chokes me. He lost his hair. So the President 1022 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:57,439 Speaker 2: shaved his head too, in like a sign of solidarity 1023 00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,520 Speaker 2: with Patrick. And if you go online, and all the 1024 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,200 Speaker 2: guys on the detail shape their head. But if you 1025 00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,360 Speaker 2: go online, you'll find pictures of Patrick's sitting on the 1026 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,200 Speaker 2: President's lap and the President's in a wheelchair and you 1027 00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,520 Speaker 2: know both, you know, and the presidents smiling from ear 1028 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,600 Speaker 2: to ear, and he had just had his head shaved. 1029 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,520 Speaker 2: And then there's a picture of him with all the 1030 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,560 Speaker 2: detail guys and Patrick on his lap, and they're all bald. 1031 00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,320 Speaker 2: And you know, how many of us are going to 1032 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,280 Speaker 2: do something like that for a child. It's not ours, 1033 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,960 Speaker 2: you know, And that was really that was really something. 1034 00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,680 Speaker 2: And then and then the other stories. In nineteen ninety eight, 1035 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:37,480 Speaker 2: Arnold Palmer's wife, Winnie, passed away, and the Palmers lived 1036 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,520 Speaker 2: in Lake Trow, Pennsylvania, about forty minutes east of Pittsburgh. 1037 00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,640 Speaker 2: So I get a call from my boss. They're like, hey, 1038 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,560 Speaker 2: we just found out that President Bush wants to go 1039 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,680 Speaker 2: to missus Palmer's funeral. Get out there and just get 1040 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:53,719 Speaker 2: what you can't I had a day and they're like, 1041 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,359 Speaker 2: just get set up what you can get set up. 1042 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:57,360 Speaker 2: So I go out there and I meet with everybody 1043 00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,040 Speaker 2: have to meet with, and we get everything set up. 1044 00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:04,120 Speaker 2: And the president lands in a small jet at La 1045 00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,640 Speaker 2: Trobe Airport and as he walks off the plane, the 1046 00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,560 Speaker 2: detail says to me. The detailer says to me, hey, 1047 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,320 Speaker 2: the President has a question for you. And he walks 1048 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,520 Speaker 2: up and he says, hey, Jeff, you know I I 1049 00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,840 Speaker 2: changed clothes in the plane, but I forgot a belt. 1050 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,879 Speaker 2: Is there like a men's shop around where we can 1051 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,920 Speaker 2: go get a belt? And I said, sir, the only 1052 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,360 Speaker 2: thing in La Trobe, I said, out on route thirty 1053 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:30,440 Speaker 2: there's a kmart. And without missing and without missing a beat, 1054 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,600 Speaker 2: he goes, well, looks like we're going to kmart. So 1055 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,520 Speaker 2: we go to the cars and we go to kmart 1056 00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,359 Speaker 2: and and it was just you want to talk about 1057 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,080 Speaker 2: surreal moments? So the detailer said to me. He goes, hey, 1058 00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,120 Speaker 2: just you and I will go in with them. We 1059 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,120 Speaker 2: don't want this to be a big and the footprint 1060 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,960 Speaker 2: that former presidents have is much smaller than a current president. 1061 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,200 Speaker 2: So he goes, but just you and I will go in. 1062 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,040 Speaker 2: Don't want to make a big show of this. So 1063 00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,879 Speaker 2: you'd see, you know, we're four or five steps behind him. 1064 00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,480 Speaker 2: You'd see him walk by people, and people would look 1065 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,719 Speaker 2: at him and they kind of and then they'd see 1066 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,799 Speaker 2: us with the earpieces and they and then they'd put 1067 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:09,080 Speaker 2: it together and they were like, holy crap. So he's 1068 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,680 Speaker 2: at the back of the store, in the men's department. 1069 00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,120 Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember the old k marts. 1070 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,960 Speaker 2: They always had the belts on that circle rack that 1071 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,879 Speaker 2: you would spin. And he's back there and he's looking. 1072 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,080 Speaker 2: He goes, nah, bar wouldn't like that one, or no, 1073 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,239 Speaker 2: this one's too brown, and he finds one he likes, 1074 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,879 Speaker 2: and and by then there's fifteen people just standing there 1075 00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,400 Speaker 2: with their mouths open because here's the former president of 1076 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,240 Speaker 2: the United States and the kmart and they trove Pennsylvania. 1077 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,319 Speaker 2: It's time. By the time we get to the cash 1078 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,399 Speaker 2: register's there's thirty people just literally standing there like you're 1079 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,440 Speaker 2: looking at him, and he yeah, you know, the Palmers 1080 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,399 Speaker 2: were legends there, so everybody knew why he was there. 1081 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,080 Speaker 2: But he was very gracious and said hello to everybody, 1082 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,080 Speaker 2: and and they and He's like, you know, I got 1083 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:50,320 Speaker 2: to get going, I got to get over there. And 1084 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,319 Speaker 2: they all knew why he was there, so they were 1085 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:57,200 Speaker 2: very gracious too. But you know, just the idea of like, hey, 1086 00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,240 Speaker 2: well we're going to kmart, let's go get a belt. 1087 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,640 Speaker 2: And I never missed a beat. 1088 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:03,560 Speaker 1: H That's amazing. 1089 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, in a true gentleman too, to the very. 1090 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:14,200 Speaker 1: End man, Absolutely amazing experiences. Jeff. So, so what are 1091 00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,000 Speaker 1: you up to now? Fill us in on what what 1092 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,359 Speaker 1: what you're doing? Yeah, if we can help, How can 1093 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:20,840 Speaker 1: we help? 1094 00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,359 Speaker 2: Well, I'm the right now. I'm the chief of police 1095 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:29,160 Speaker 2: at Robert Morrise University in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. So you know, 1096 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:30,839 Speaker 2: feel free to send your kids here. We'll make sure 1097 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,520 Speaker 2: they're as safe as they can be. We'll send them 1098 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,040 Speaker 2: home hopefully a lot smarter, but but as safe as 1099 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,120 Speaker 2: you sent them to us. But the other thing I 1100 00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,280 Speaker 2: do is on the side, I have a consulting firm. 1101 00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,960 Speaker 2: It's a Capital Security Consultants. It's spelled C A P 1102 00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,280 Speaker 2: I T O L. And we do a few things. 1103 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,600 Speaker 2: One of the big things we do is we do 1104 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:53,040 Speaker 2: active assailant survival training where we come into houses of 1105 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,120 Speaker 2: worship or corporations, anybody who invites us out and we 1106 00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,120 Speaker 2: do this seminar. And it's not the dynamic stuff they 1107 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:00,800 Speaker 2: used to do where we run run in and shoot 1108 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,319 Speaker 2: you with their soft guns. I think everybody found out 1109 00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,319 Speaker 2: that people got so nervous about that part that they 1110 00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,040 Speaker 2: weren't listening to the content. But you know what it 1111 00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,680 Speaker 2: is in our study of these events, you know, when 1112 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,440 Speaker 2: you look at all of them, they're all alike in 1113 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,440 Speaker 2: about ninety percent of the ways, so you know, there 1114 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,880 Speaker 2: are best practices to survive. So you know, we come out, 1115 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,880 Speaker 2: we share that with folks and hopefully they'll never need it, 1116 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:24,880 Speaker 2: but it's a tool they have in their toolbox that 1117 00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,560 Speaker 2: whether they're in church or the mall, in a restaurant, 1118 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,320 Speaker 2: you know, help them survive. We're also certified in Pennsylvania 1119 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,600 Speaker 2: to do risk and vulnerability assessments for K to twelve 1120 00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,880 Speaker 2: school districts, so so we do that and we also 1121 00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,600 Speaker 2: have a component where we teach them self defense. So 1122 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,720 Speaker 2: if anybody'd like to check out our website, it's Capital 1123 00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,720 Speaker 2: C a P I T O L Dash Security dot 1124 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,680 Speaker 2: Com and yeah, you can reach me through there if 1125 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,120 Speaker 2: you like any of our services. 1126 00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine a better person to instruct 1127 00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,800 Speaker 1: schools on how to protect themselves, teach people self defense, 1128 00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,120 Speaker 1: or work with law enforcement, or houses of worship or corporations. 1129 00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,960 Speaker 1: All of it's necessary. And for those of folks who 1130 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:08,080 Speaker 1: are listening watching, it's not paranoia. You're just being prepared 1131 00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,720 Speaker 1: and having that training in your kit bag could save lives. 1132 00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,439 Speaker 1: And you know, you hear hear people say all the time, 1133 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,040 Speaker 1: well if if we do this and if we just 1134 00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,080 Speaker 1: save one life, then it's worth it. Well, if that's 1135 00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,680 Speaker 1: the same benchmark that we're using to measure things, then 1136 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,080 Speaker 1: you should definitely be calling Jeff and Capital Security Consultants 1137 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,240 Speaker 1: for some help if you need it. And so, Jeff Man, 1138 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,920 Speaker 1: I am so grateful for you coming on two episodes. Now, 1139 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,360 Speaker 1: I didn't you know. I always say to people, yeah, 1140 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna keep you forty five minutes to an hour, 1141 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,760 Speaker 1: and then we always end up talking a lot longer. 1142 00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,600 Speaker 1: So I'm really grateful for you, man, Thank you, thank 1143 00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:47,320 Speaker 1: you for coming on. 1144 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,640 Speaker 2: Oh right back at said, the pleasure has been mine 1145 00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,480 Speaker 2: you know, I'm honored to call you a friend. You know, 1146 00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,440 Speaker 2: the number of texts and messages I've gotten in the 1147 00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,960 Speaker 2: last couple of days since our first episode dropped or 1148 00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,880 Speaker 2: first day, you know, people are like, oh, you really 1149 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,760 Speaker 2: know him? Yeah, so You've. 1150 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,040 Speaker 1: Got so many so much feedback, so much feedback from 1151 00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,640 Speaker 1: that first episode on Rumble, which we stream exclusively on now, Like, 1152 00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,040 Speaker 1: we're up over thirty two thousand views just on on 1153 00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:15,880 Speaker 1: Rumble alone, which is crazy. 1154 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,760 Speaker 2: It's crazy, but you you have a pretty big fan base, 1155 00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,200 Speaker 2: and I know a lot of people were excited I 1156 00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,280 Speaker 2: got to come on with you, so I appreciate you 1157 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:24,480 Speaker 2: you having me back twice so. 1158 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,280 Speaker 1: Well, I'm truly humbled to even know you and have 1159 00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,160 Speaker 1: you on and I'd love to have you back more 1160 00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:31,040 Speaker 1: to talk about stuff. 1161 00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:31,400 Speaker 2: Jeff. 1162 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,200 Speaker 1: And yeah, you know, for those of y'all who are 1163 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,680 Speaker 1: who are watching, Jeff James is a patriot. Capital Security 1164 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,680 Speaker 1: Consultants is They're all the real deal. They know obviously 1165 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,200 Speaker 1: if you watch these two episodes, they know exactly what 1166 00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:47,000 Speaker 1: they're doing. And if you like this content, you like 1167 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,800 Speaker 1: what you hear on Battleground Podcast, please subscribe to our 1168 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,680 Speaker 1: Rumble page. We just opened it up. We need your help. 1169 00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,400 Speaker 1: And you know, like the videos they call him on 1170 00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,640 Speaker 1: Rumble Rumble, like click the little thumb up. We need that. 1171 00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,680 Speaker 1: That's a metric that they used to measure success in 1172 01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,720 Speaker 1: the algorithm. Comment on the videos. Now that we're doing 1173 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,360 Speaker 1: live streams, Jeff, your episode was the first one we 1174 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,240 Speaker 1: did live. The live a live stream, there's a live 1175 01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,440 Speaker 1: com there's a live comments section where I'll jump on 1176 01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,200 Speaker 1: and I'll reply or our producers will reply to so 1177 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,440 Speaker 1: that that's a cool function of it. And subscribe to 1178 01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,080 Speaker 1: the podcast Apple, Spotify, wherever you listen to podcasts. Go 1179 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:28,280 Speaker 1: to Official Sewanparnell dot com. We sold out of our 1180 01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,840 Speaker 1: merchandise so quickly when we launched it, but we're getting 1181 01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,720 Speaker 1: new stuff in and we have lots of other cool 1182 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,080 Speaker 1: T shirts that we're selling there. So Official Sean Parnell 1183 01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,240 Speaker 1: dot com. Go there. And in the meantime, Jeff, thank 1184 01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,880 Speaker 1: you again for for for joining us. 1185 01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:41,080 Speaker 2: Man. 1186 01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:42,360 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. 1187 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,640 Speaker 2: Pleasures mind, I'm flaring helm over. 1188 01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,320 Speaker 1: Be here all right, all right, take care of my friend. 1189 01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:48,160 Speaker 1: Thanks you too. 1190 01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:48,560 Speaker 2: Thanks