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Speaker 1: Well, hey Angel fans in welcome back to Halo territory.

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Speaker 2: Mike D.

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Speaker 1: Giovanna, former La Times Baseball writer and host of the show,

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Speaker 1: joined by my regular co host Mark Trumbo, the former

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Speaker 1: Angel slugger, and Sam Blama, the Athletic joining us.

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Speaker 2: How you doing, Sam, Mark, How you guys doing today?

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Speaker 3: I'm fantastic. Thank you, Michael. How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty good? Pretty pretty interesting opening day weekend.

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Speaker 4: Huh yeah, it was some good, some bad, and some

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Speaker 4: ugly and so ugly as we're going to get to

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Speaker 4: right away.

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Speaker 1: Uh, we're going to start the show with our new

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Speaker 1: segment We're calling.

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Speaker 5: I can't believe it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Vince Scully for that wonderful radio clip from

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Speaker 1: many years ago. I can't believe Logan o'happy didn't challenge

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Speaker 1: a potential strike three call on Esac Parades with two

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Speaker 1: outs and two on in the eighth inning of a

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Speaker 1: tie game on Sunday. Let's set up to this scene here.

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Speaker 1: As I said, tie game drew Pomeranz through a two

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Speaker 1: to two fastball to Pritius that if it didn't nick

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Speaker 1: the outside corner, it was close enough to challenge. Well,

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Speaker 1: HOPI didn't. Neither did promerance for that matter, Pridie hit

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Speaker 1: the next pitch for a two run double. Jose al

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Speaker 1: Tuove hits an RBI double, the Astros going to win

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Speaker 1: nine to six to earn a split of a four

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Speaker 1: game series. The Angels could have and maybe he should

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Speaker 1: have swept. Let's look at this sequence here if you're

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Speaker 1: watching us on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: It was a six pitch at bat.

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Speaker 1: The fifth pitch a ninety five mile an hour fastball

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Speaker 1: down in a way but appeared to hit the corner.

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Speaker 1: And this is a close up of the pitch, which

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Speaker 1: you know with that view clearly hit the corner. What

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Speaker 1: was OHAPI thinking?

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Speaker 2: Guys?

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Speaker 1: Did he just freeze or on that play? What was

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Speaker 1: the situation? What do you think happened with Logan?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'll say, like, I think he's had he

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Speaker 4: had a really tough weekend by the plate, and I

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Speaker 4: think with a hoppy like in that scenario, if you know,

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Speaker 4: he's more calm, I mean, he's I just think he's

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Speaker 4: questioning himself back there.

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Speaker 3: I mean that that's a reflection.

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Speaker 4: In my opinion, of someone who's not fully confident that

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Speaker 4: you know they're that they're thinking right, that they're operating correctly, Like,

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Speaker 4: you know, he's just I think right now, he's just

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Speaker 4: really I mean it was last year too, so I mean,

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Speaker 4: there's just serious questions about his abilities behind the plate

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Speaker 4: as a defensive catcher. But that, to me is a

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Speaker 4: reflection of someone who's just who's who's questioning, who's probably

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Speaker 4: making that same calculation in his mind, Am I good

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Speaker 4: enough to do this right now? Should I be making

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Speaker 4: that call? Do I want to waste the last challenge?

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Speaker 4: When he said it to Jeff Letcher after the game,

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Speaker 4: you know, he didn't want to burn the last challenge

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Speaker 4: and then risk it with you know, possibly you know,

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Speaker 4: a tie game in the ninth inning, you know, so

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Speaker 4: that I understand that line of thinking, but I just

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Speaker 4: don't agree with it necessarily. And I think if he

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Speaker 4: probably were to, you know, take all the ocean out

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Speaker 4: of it right now, he probably would agree with what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying too.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, to me, he's just.

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Speaker 4: He's not really doing very good job back there, and

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Speaker 4: that is a reflection of his lack of confidence. And

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Speaker 4: you know, we'll see if he's able to improve on it.

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Speaker 4: But it was a really rough weekend for him behind

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Speaker 4: the play defensively.

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Speaker 2: Mark, what did you sort of see on that play, Well,

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Speaker 2: I saw nothing.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if I I'm not sure what to

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Speaker 6: make of it. He this series was not one for him.

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Speaker 6: This is not the start he was hoping for. He

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Speaker 6: really struggled in a number of areas, and coming off

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Speaker 6: of last season. I know the things that he said

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Speaker 6: so far, he's kind of claimed that he's a reinvented

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Speaker 6: you know, things that used to bother him won't bother

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Speaker 6: I think last year it was I don't know who,

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Speaker 6: him the team leader. Which the more I've heard, the

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Speaker 6: more I've watched, I don't think any extra pressure needs

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Speaker 5: He's got a.

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Speaker 6: Lot on his plate, and there's some that are calling Mike,

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Speaker 6: you know, for him to be sent down. I mean

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Speaker 6: that sounds out there in farfetch, but he you know,

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Speaker 6: if the glove is not there and the bat is

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Speaker 6: question that he might need a reset.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's a tough one.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that they have any catcher in the

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Speaker 1: system at Triple A level ready to take his place.

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Speaker 1: I mean it is only a four games, it's a

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Speaker 1: start of a season. Yeah, he did have a very

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Speaker 1: encouraging spring and he seemed to.

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Speaker 2: Sort of.

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Speaker 1: Get over this hump mentally, whatever that is. He seemed

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Speaker 1: very confident going into the regular season. You just have

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Speaker 1: to worry at this point that, as Sam said, that

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Speaker 1: confidence isn't shot. But boy, he made two errors in

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Speaker 1: the first game or the second game, I believe, and

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Speaker 1: then another play Saturday in Saturday's eleven to nine loss

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Speaker 1: was really kind of you know, I don't know, Maybe

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Speaker 1: Mark can better explain this play. So the bases are loaded,

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Speaker 1: Carlo's career hits a little tapper to the third base

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Speaker 1: side of the mound. O'hapi very aggressively comes out of

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Speaker 1: all in one motion, turns and throws the first it's

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Speaker 1: up the line, two runs score. You know, he probably

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Speaker 1: would have been better off letting the feeler, the pitcher

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Speaker 1: feel that ball and maybe flip home for a force out.

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Speaker 2: But is that a situation.

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Speaker 1: Mark where a guy, a young guy's just trying to

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Speaker 1: do too much, or is it maybe a guy who

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Speaker 1: maybe lacks the instincts in experience to know that wasn't

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Speaker 6: I don't think they would have gotten out on that play,

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Speaker 6: regardless whether the pitcher. You don't want the picture touch

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Speaker 6: You know, uh, I believe it was you ran your pitching.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he was still there at the time.

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Speaker 6: I don't know how. He's a young guy, and I

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Speaker 6: don't know. Maybe he's an excellent fielder, but it was

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Speaker 6: an ill advised throw. He should have just eaten it,

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Speaker 6: in my opinion. But I think Suzuki praised his athleticism

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Speaker 6: a more experienced catcher just puts it in his back pocket.

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Speaker 6: You know, the throw really wasn't even close. A number

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Speaker 6: of throws this series from him and from the third

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Speaker 6: baseman were you know, way offline, and Channel's unfortunately having

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Speaker 6: to you know, veer into the hunter far too often,

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Speaker 6: and as a first basement, as somebody who played over there,

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Speaker 6: it's very dangerous. You know, you got your outstretched arm

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Speaker 6: and some big dudes running down the line. So Nolan's

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Speaker 6: really good to keep him on the field, so if

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Speaker 6: we can avoid some of these things. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Another thing that stood out with o'hapi. It was a footnote,

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Speaker 6: but he didn't know what pitch to call against Jordan

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Speaker 6: and Suzuki, I don't know, either hinted or told him

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Speaker 6: to go with. I think the split finger his best pitch,

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Speaker 6: so a little perplexing for a major league catcher to

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Speaker 6: not have more of a plan. Maybe it was sil

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Speaker 6: really be crucial that Max Stassy tries to get through

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Speaker 6: to him mentally or somebody, because that's where I think

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Speaker 6: he struggles the most. He puts a tremendous amount of

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Speaker 6: we weren't able to watch that much, but from what

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Speaker 6: I did gather, he's very high strung. I think most

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Speaker 6: people know that by now, but he's extremely talented, too,

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Speaker 6: but when the defense struggles, he grounded into a double

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Speaker 6: a nicely off walk. I think it's a lair walked

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Speaker 6: smothered a slider to the shortstop and that was a

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Speaker 6: poor at bat and it killed a rally or any

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Speaker 6: potential rally. So I'm really not trying to dump on

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Speaker 6: him too much. It was quite obvious this wasn't his best,

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Speaker 6: But the mental side of the game, for me, is

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Speaker 6: something that you gotta he needs to improve upon. And

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Speaker 6: it's not just going to be take a deep breath

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Speaker 6: and have some fun. That's not going to do it.

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Speaker 6: It's going to need to be some heavier lifting and

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Speaker 6: kind of getting inside there and setting some maybe more

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Speaker 6: but maybe more team oriented would be better.

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Speaker 1: Sam, you probably know Logan better than both of us do.

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Speaker 1: How what can a gut check like the studmentally this

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Speaker 2: Can this be something?

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's a motivator for him, but can

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Speaker 2: Does he have that kind of mental fortitude in your estimation?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I don't know, it's tough to say.

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Speaker 4: I mean, i'd like to think so, you know, Logan's

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Speaker 3: And I think what we've seen is it's just.

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Speaker 4: Not really translated. I don't really think sending him down

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Speaker 4: right now makes a lot of sense. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 4: you can called Sebastian Rivera. I mean, I'm sure at

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Speaker 4: I will say that, like, I don't think it's like

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Speaker 4: if I had to guess, you know, I don't think

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Speaker 4: if he struggles for months on end that they'll run

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Speaker 4: with this. But I think for now, it's been four games,

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Speaker 4: it's been four poor games.

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Speaker 3: Behind the plate.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I mean, I just we've seen it

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Speaker 4: enough like that that we've seen better than this. Like

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Speaker 4: he wasn't really like if you rewind to twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 4: like he was actually a pretty serviceable defensive catcher. So

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Speaker 4: this is this is mental in my opinion, there's probably

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Speaker 4: some element that isn't. I mean, I'm not a catcher.

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Speaker 4: I can't get behind there and fully understand what it takes.

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Speaker 4: I just think a lot's going through his head right now,

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Speaker 4: and he's not responding to it perfectly well. And I

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Speaker 4: they've played one series and they've split it, and honestly,

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Speaker 1: And welcome back to Halo with Mark Trumbo, former Angels

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Speaker 1: Slugger and Sam Blum of the Athletic And thanks again

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Speaker 5: And I think that diving play.

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Speaker 4: It's you know, even like the day they traded for Solai,

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Speaker 4: you can kind of sense that this might become an

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Speaker 4: issue at some point. But if they're both hitting home

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Speaker 4: runs and they're both kind of doing you know, the

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Speaker 4: offensive element, it works. But uh, and if Soilare's making

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Speaker 4: diving catches, it works. I just think it's it's very

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Speaker 4: very risky to be playing him out there, like, you know,

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Speaker 4: more than once a.

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Speaker 3: Week at this point. Be my my hesitation.

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Speaker 1: I think last year he got overexposed in the outfield

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Speaker 1: because he had to play it, because Trout had to

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Speaker 1: play DH. Maybe this year Trout's able to play center

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Speaker 1: field sixty sixty percent of the games, and that allows

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Speaker 1: Soler to play right field a lot less and maybe

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Speaker 1: in shorter in a shorter amount of games, he's a

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Speaker 1: Now, Hey, welcome back to Hilo Territory with Mark Trumbo

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Speaker 1: and Sam Blum. I want to talk about Oswald Perraza,

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Speaker 1: and I want to talk about him in relation to

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Speaker 1: a guy who has not had a great opening weekend.

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Speaker 1: You on Moncatta, the third baseman Praza had to me,

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Speaker 1: at least numbers wise, we didn't see a lot of them,

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Speaker 1: but what I saw you appear to have one of

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Speaker 1: the best springs of any Angels player. And in his

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Speaker 1: first three games he went four to eleven with a

481
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Speaker 1: home run two RBIs played pretty good defense all three games.

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Speaker 1: Mankata has not looked good at the plate. I think

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Speaker 1: he's got one hit and defensively we saw him made

484
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Speaker 1: just a weird charge of a grounder today and I

485
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Speaker 1: don't want to say it was a half hearted effort,

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Speaker 1: but it just didn't look real strong. Threw it up

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Speaker 1: the line for another era that cost him. I can

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Speaker 1: see maybe eventually, I don't know, as they necessarily have to,

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Speaker 1: you know, Wave or DFA Moncada, but if he's really struggling,

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Speaker 1: I moved Parazz at the third base and start Fraser

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Speaker 1: at second, or maybe there's some other combination infielders. Maybe

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Speaker 1: Christian Moore is ready at that point. But I don't

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Speaker 1: know how long they can stick with Makata at third base.

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Speaker 1: And it's a shame because he had a couple of

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Speaker 1: good defensive players in the first few games. But I

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Speaker 1: some of his the problems that have plagued him for

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Speaker 1: all last year seem to creep up in that game Sunday.

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Speaker 2: What do you guys think, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean I I yeah, I ought to say, like

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Speaker 4: I think that. Yeah, I mean, this is like it's

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Speaker 4: an issue, Like it's just as his throws are, you know,

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Speaker 4: they don't look like there's he's getting a ton on

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Speaker 4: them sometimes or you know, he's he's a talented enough player,

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Speaker 4: like I know, like Robbie Keno would sometimes get this

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Speaker 4: criticism where he just looked like he didn't.

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Speaker 3: Care as much. But it's because the game comes naturally

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Speaker 3: for him.

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Speaker 4: The issue is that when it starts to not look

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Speaker 4: like it's coming naturally you and you're and those throws

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Speaker 4: are then like way off and nowhere in near first basement.

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Speaker 4: Then that's when it's like, Okay, are you putting in

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Speaker 4: the full effort?

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Speaker 3: And I'm not. I haven't talked to him.

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Speaker 4: I would never question a player's effort without being able

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Speaker 4: to ask them that. But I mean, I think that

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Speaker 4: the perception will be there if that if that's what's

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Speaker 4: happening defensively, and if you're also like, I mean, he

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Speaker 4: took that strike three just end the game was fast

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Speaker 4: right down the middle, like he's it's just that that's

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Speaker 4: not a really good look, you know. I mean again,

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Speaker 4: I think anything we talk about right now, you're you're

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Speaker 4: doing it in the combination of four games. So there's

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Speaker 4: that there is that to to always you know, keep

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Speaker 4: in the back of your mind. I don't I wouldn't

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Speaker 4: take him out of the lineup right now, but I

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Speaker 4: mean I think I always was like why why why

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Speaker 4: run it back with you on Moncatta just uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: he was fine last year, but you know, with this team,

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Speaker 4: with where they're at, Like I mean, I I you know,

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Speaker 4: I think Peazi is you know, remains somebody you don't

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Speaker 4: really know what you have fully. I mean, he he

532
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Speaker 4: never really panned out with the Yankees, and he wasn't

533
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Speaker 4: great when he came here last year. But I also

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Speaker 4: think that there is an't there's something in there, and

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Speaker 4: I'd be curious to see him get every day reps

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Speaker 4: at place like third.

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Speaker 3: And then you know, Adam Fraser.

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Speaker 4: He's been fine of the big leagues right like he's

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Speaker 4: you know, last year he was like a two win player,

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Speaker 4: So I mean, you know, doesn't mean he's going to

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Speaker 4: be great, doesn't mean he's you know, an All Star

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Speaker 4: or anything, but hey, you know, maybe that's maybe that

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Speaker 4: is the move for right now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I would give Mankat a little more of a leash,

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Speaker 4: but maybe not a ton more.

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Speaker 6: I would not move proserf second base based on that

548
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Speaker 6: defense that I saw this series that was excellent, nothing

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Speaker 6: short of it. He saved a run multiple times, I believe,

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Speaker 6: outstanding range in addition to be able to go back

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Speaker 6: on some pop ups at least one that I was

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Speaker 6: really surprised he got back on it quick. And that

553
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Speaker 6: really helps your outfielders if you've got a guy like

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Speaker 6: Celaire I know myself personally out there really appreciated No seriously,

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Speaker 6: when an infielder can go back and get it, it's

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Speaker 6: really good. He had a drag bunch a base hit.

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Speaker 6: He really looked like a ballplayer this series. I thought

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Speaker 6: that he was tremendous on the flip side Mancatta and

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Speaker 6: I did play, so I feel somewhat confident saying he

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Speaker 6: looks disinterested at best out there. He had another throw

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Speaker 6: that that Nolan picked him up on. It was a

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Speaker 6: side arm kind of lob that was in the dirt

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Speaker 6: and really nice pick by by Shanewell.

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Speaker 5: But and that a bat.

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Speaker 6: Not only did he take strike three right right down

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Speaker 6: the middle, there was another strike that he just statued,

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Speaker 6: you know, and he fouled some off. He's a guy

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Speaker 6: that's you know, he got to I don't know how

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Speaker 6: he's feeling physically too, so I don't want to dump

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Speaker 6: on him. He's usually got something going on, unfortunately, and

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Speaker 6: I don't know if that's the case now. It'd be

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Speaker 6: a shame this early in the year if he was

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Speaker 6: dealing with something. But you know, spring training was was

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Speaker 6: not good. I WBC, I don't believe was good. Not good.

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Speaker 6: You know, he really didn't come away with a big

576
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Speaker 6: contract this winter either, So I don't know if I

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Speaker 6: doubt that plays a role that he might feel a

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Speaker 6: little underappreciated.

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Speaker 2: In that regard.

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Speaker 5: Does candel Ario not play third base?

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Speaker 6: Is he is that he can?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I would keep Peraza a second. I really like what

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Speaker 6: I saw out of him.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 6: And and one final so I can get it in there.

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Speaker 6: Relief Pitcher looked awfully good.

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Speaker 5: Uh, Sam Bochman.

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Speaker 6: He is a little while all right, no one more thing.

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Speaker 6: I want to be first. I don't know if I've

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Speaker 6: ever been first anything. I'm almost certain that like Trout's

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Speaker 6: outfield glove has changed models, he doesn't have the trapeze web.

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Speaker 6: He appears to have an H web. So if no

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Speaker 6: one else has pointed it out, if I'm wrong, gladly apologize.

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Speaker 6: But I think and I'm very interested if we maybe

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Speaker 6: get to talk to Tory Hunter. UH be interested in

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Speaker 6: him because he he is the trapeze web. I believe

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Speaker 6: Ken Griffey Junior, many others and Trouts used it his

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Speaker 6: whole career. And I think I see another model glove

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Speaker 6: out there. I don't know the maybe just mixing up.

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Speaker 1: Does the H web mark allow you to sort of

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Speaker 1: feel the ball with your glove in front of your face,

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Speaker 1: because I notice in recent years Trout always seems to

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Speaker 1: feel routine fly balls to the left of to the

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Speaker 1: left of his body.

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Speaker 6: You don't want the glove in front of the face.

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Speaker 6: I mean, no, I do know what you mean. The trapeez.

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Speaker 6: The thought was that because it's not okay, this is geeky,

609
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 6: but reinforced with stronger laces at the very end of it.

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Speaker 6: On sliding plays, diving plays that can flop a bit more,

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Speaker 6: that's the trapeze I'm talking, whereas like the h web

612
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Speaker 6: is sturdier and maybe can secure some of those, you know,

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Speaker 6: plays that you really need a little extra help.

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Speaker 5: But you know, glove is a personal thing.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 6: Some guys you can't pry it, you know, a lot

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Speaker 6: of their cold dead hands, or what I'm saying is

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00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 6: and to see someone change models and maybe he's not

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Speaker 6: that precious about it, but I did notice that. I

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Speaker 6: thought it was a little bit interesting, and maybe somebody

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Speaker 6: else's beat me to it, but I just out there.

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Speaker 2: Just a little aside.

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Speaker 1: Mike Gego famous story, and I wrote about this in

624
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: a story I did on gloves about fifteen years ago.

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00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: This nineteen eighty nine Bay Area Earthquake World Series game.

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Speaker 1: The place is pitch black, the clubhouses, everybody is evacuating

627
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: the stadium, mayhem panic, the clubhouse is pitch black, and

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00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: he had to run in back to the clubhouse and

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Speaker 1: get his glove because that had been his game or

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Speaker 1: glove for literally his entire career.

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Speaker 2: And luckily you made it out alive.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I want to ask one more follow up on

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Speaker 1: Mancata mark in bad body language, you know, hinder a guy,

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Speaker 1: especially at this stage of his career where he's not

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Speaker 1: an established star. And you know, you can put up

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Speaker 1: with bad body language in a lot of ways if

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Speaker 1: a guy's producing and kind of has that you know,

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Speaker 1: laissez fair look.

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Speaker 2: But with a guy like him, can it hurt him?

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Speaker 6: I don't think they're counting on him for raw raw anything.

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Speaker 6: Uh So, Canoe was mentioned earlier and I played with

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Speaker 6: Cano and you know, as everyone else, it did look whatever.

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Speaker 6: I'll tell you what. That guy had a cannon. He

644
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Speaker 6: threw one of the heaviest balls I've ever and he

645
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Speaker 6: always wanted to play catch with the first basement, this

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Speaker 6: little inside baseball. But those that that nonchalant throw had

647
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Speaker 6: a lot on it. So there's a difference. You know,

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Speaker 6: some guys, really, I know Manny Machado likes to make

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Speaker 6: it look very smooth, very easy. I personally, you know,

650
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Speaker 6: big fan of a guy like JJ Hardy. You know,

651
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Speaker 6: it's not it's not flashy in the least, but it's

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Speaker 6: reliable and you know he makes the plays. Netto looks

653
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 6: very good most of the time in that regard, you

654
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 6: know something And and for some guys, you know, really

655
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 6: there isn't much of a cool factor, but there doesn't

656
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 6: need to be. You know, what's cool is making the

657
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 6: plays and and Moncada. You know, I you don't want

658
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 6: your first basement picking you up that often. So I

659
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 6: don't know what's going on there. But they have bat

660
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 6: to end the game too. When he's good. He's really good.

661
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 6: But I don't know what we're looking at so far

662
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 6: this year. And you know, if he keeps it up,

663
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 6: you know, might might have to make a change.

664
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

665
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: A couple other positives, Zach Neto and Nolan Shanwell each

666
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: homer twice in the series.

667
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: It's a pretty good starting pitching.

668
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: Jose Soriano six scoreless innings in the opener, and I

669
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: thought reed Detmer's even though he only went four and

670
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: two thirds his pitch.

671
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:31,959
Speaker 2: Count got up.

672
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: A lot of they fell ball in the death it

673
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: seemed like, but you know, you have six hits, three

674
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: or in runs, no walks, nine strikeouts and all those punchs.

675
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: He's probably drove up his pitch count a bit too.

676
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: And how about Jordan You say Romano, I say, Romano

677
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: saves in the first two games. Is he see the

678
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: team's closer right now?

679
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: Sam?

680
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,239
Speaker 3: I mean it sort of seems like that.

681
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 4: I mean, they lost Kirbyates the day before the season

682
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 4: had started, which I think that was kind of the

683
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 4: initial plan. And you don't have Ben Joyce, and you

684
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 4: lost Kenny Jansen in free agency, and you know this

685
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 4: is this is their guy. You know, Romano has done

686
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 4: it right, Like he's been that guy. He's been a

687
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 4: really good closer in the league. He's just not done

688
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 4: it in a couple of years. So you know, I mean,

689
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 4: this has kind of been the whole theme of their

690
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 4: offseason was getting guys who have done it but haven't

691
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 4: done it twenty twenty five and will they be.

692
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: Able to do it again?

693
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 4: And like, you know, you kind of hack anything with

694
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 4: the Angels, it's always crossing your fingers and hoping for

695
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 4: the best. I think some of their bullpen performances have

696
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 4: thus far been kind of okay, it's overall it's been

697
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 4: pretty good.

698
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: Jase Silseth in particular, I think look good.

699
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 4: And that's a guy who's just been up and down

700
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 4: and looks like his career has been over looks like he's,

701
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 4: you know, like just to get something out of him.

702
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 3: Sam Bachman kind of.

703
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 4: Similarly like these guys are you know, part of that

704
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 4: you know, infamous twenty twenty one draft, who are maybe

705
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 4: finally doing at least something for this organization.

706
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 3: Is is a positive, But yeah, I mean I think

707
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 3: Roman is probably the closer for now to at least

708
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: until he get joice back.

709
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 4: And it sure seems like Robert Stevens is probably gonna miss,

710
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 4: if not the whole season, most of the season. You know,

711
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 4: we'll see on that front. But yeah, I mean I

712
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 4: think the starting pitching was was was good. Uh you

713
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 4: know this, you know, was saying before we got on.

714
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 4: It didn't really go too deep in the games. This

715
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 4: whole series just kind of felt like I was watching

716
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: the college baseball. I mean, it was just a ton

717
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 4: of walks, like especially Sunday. I mean, I didn't watched

718
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 4: the whole series, as y'all, you'll know, I don't fully

719
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 4: cover this team, but you know, today, I mean there

720
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 4: was like nineteen combined walks and it was just like

721
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 4: the Askers looked like a really rough team.

722
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 3: In my opinion, that's just that.

723
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 4: That was one of my takeaways from this series overall,

724
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 4: is like their pitching is all over the place. I know,

725
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 4: their bullpen, I can't really tell you who many of

726
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 4: those guys are. And the one guy who supposedly really

727
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 4: good looked just terrible. So they don't look like a

728
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 4: very good team. But you know, I'll be curious to

729
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 4: kind of see that where they end up, because they're

730
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 4: you know, there's still that this dynastic organization. But uh,

731
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 4: you know, they didn't make the playoffs last year and

732
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 4: I don't think they were gonna be anywhere close to

733
00:33:58,960 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 4: that this year.

734
00:33:59,440 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 3: But we'll see.

735
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, any I thought, you know, the Angels blew a

736
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: six nothing, sixth inning lead on Saturday, they easily could

737
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: have won Sunday's game.

738
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: Mark is your was not high.

739
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: On the Astros on our Al West previous show last week.

740
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: You feel like you're getting some validation for your prediction

741
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: on this club.

742
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 6: I don't think I went hard enough. That was and

743
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 6: this is not to say the Angels did some really

744
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 6: good things. I thought they were quite I think you

745
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 6: might have said that they could have probably taken three

746
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 6: or four of these games off of that ball club

747
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 6: who looked somewhat lifeless, especially those first two games. No

748
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 6: Soriano pitched excellent. I mean, he really really did a

749
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 6: nice job. But it looks like they have kind of

750
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 6: that the rough combination of aging veteran players somewhat in decline,

751
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 6: some young guys that are still finding their way. But

752
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 6: I don't know their right fielder Smith. I believe he

753
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 6: looks like he plays an excellent right field I'll say that.

754
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 6: But their relief pitching was pathetic. That was not good

755
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 6: strong word, but you know, that's what I saw. I

756
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 6: didn't really see anybody that that. The last left hander,

757
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 6: and I don't have his name in front of me,

758
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 6: he actually looked pretty pretty decent. But there were some

759
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 6: middle relief guys that also unknown. So I don't know

760
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 6: if it's you know, hater is injured, but they're going

761
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 6: to have a rough time if you know that, and

762
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 6: you wonder they're missing you know, Bregman. He looked like

763
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 6: a real clubhouse chemistry guy. Framberg maybe not as much,

764
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 6: but you know he always really picked against especially against

765
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 6: the Angels. Yeah, so totally different look, and you know,

766
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 6: I think a lot of good things when the short

767
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 6: starts that I was kind of getting at Kakuchi four

768
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 6: in a third eighty six pitches. Reid pitched four and

769
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 6: two thirds ninety five and Jack, you know, four Indians

770
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 6: at ninety four pitches. So you know what's the big differ, Prince,

771
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 6: you got to cover at least another inning inning plus.

772
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 6: And I think the Angels bullpen is probably a right

773
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 6: handed pitcher short right now. I think they'd really benefit

774
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 6: and I believe they might have made a move with

775
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 6: a relief pitcher.

776
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, we're gonna yeah, we're gonna close the show

777
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: with that today. Actually, it was somewhat curious move. They

778
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: optioned Whilbert Urania, who pitching a high leverage situation I

779
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: think it was in the opener, and dfad Victor Maderos,

780
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: who was considered a pretty good prospect to get a

781
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: They did need a fresh arm for Sunday's game, so

782
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: they called up Sean Anderson. Sam Blum aka Sam Glum

783
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: called this move quote unquote wild.

784
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: Why was that?

785
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 4: Sam I mean, to me, this is just like another

786
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 4: I mean, and I people responding to this this tweet

787
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 4: being like, why are you still talking about us? And

788
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 4: it's like one, I mean, you know, this is this

789
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,479
Speaker 4: is something that I feel like people don't fully get.

790
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 4: I mean this, this is reflection of player development and

791
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 4: the issues that have caused them to not really develop

792
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 4: a starting pitcher, like in any capacity outside of maybe

793
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 4: I mean or Is, say, Soreano is someone who they

794
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 4: let walk to the pirates in the Rule five drafts.

795
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 4: So I don't even like to give them a ton

796
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 4: of credit on Soriano, but ultimately, like they don't really

797
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 4: develop any starting pitching gear. And so you know, when

798
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 4: you have a guy like Victor Madero's who was drafted

799
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty two, called up to make his big

800
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 4: league debut in the bullpen for like a game in

801
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, you know, they do the same thing

802
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 4: with Caden Dana and do the same thing with Sam

803
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 4: Alde Gary. You know, these are these are the guys

804
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 4: who you need to be able to like develop into

805
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 4: real starting pitchers to be able to then come in

806
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 4: and be people in your rotation. Nobody has says that

807
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 4: these guys have to be aces or elites or anything.

808
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 4: They just got to be serviceable starters. And that's just

809
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 4: they're not even developing that type of starting pitcher right now.

810
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 4: And so you know, Victor Madero's like Yace, really struggled

811
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 4: in the minor leagues. I don't blame them for defaying him.

812
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 4: They might even keep him in their organization, we'll see.

813
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 4: But to me, it's so like, you know, you can't

814
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 4: substitute the Angels for why he never panned out at

815
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 4: least hasn't yet panned out for them, and that's because

816
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 4: they didn't develop him properly. They made mistakes with them.

817
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 4: They called them up twice from Hya, just like they're

818
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 4: doing with Ryan Johnson, who's going to be the starter

819
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 4: on Monday right like, just like they're doing with Jack o'hannowoz,

820
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 4: who they sent out last year saying you needed a reset,

821
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 4: then brought them up for one start later because they

822
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 4: needed it. I just think the front office is always

823
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 4: operating under this desperation when it comes to their pitching,

824
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 4: and that is is going to lead you to these

825
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 4: types of moves.

826
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 3: Walbert Urania, I don't know what he'll turn into.

827
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 4: I do know that, you know, Inosaras works for the

828
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 4: athletic and does a great job with like the you know,

829
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 4: advanced metrics on pitching had Walbert Urania as the best

830
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 4: pitcher in spring in terms of stuff plus, so like,

831
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 4: this guy clearly has something in there. I just doesn't

832
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 4: look like a big league pitcher to me yet. I

833
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 4: thenk we saw that at least a little bit at

834
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 4: the end of spring, you know, when I saw him

835
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 4: at Dodger Stadium and you know, bringing Guyenne is a

836
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 4: leverage reliever and a seventh inning home OH opening day game,

837
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 4: and then two days later he's in Triple A starting.

838
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just like these this this inability to

839
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 4: you know, be able to lock in on rolls, to

840
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 4: develop and to like just let a player tell you

841
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 4: he's ready.

842
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 3: That's the mistake.

843
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 4: And I think they're always going to lean back on this,

844
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 4: Like I asked, I asked Kurtuzuki, and I thought this

845
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 4: answer was quite frankly, a little bit ridiculous. When I

846
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 4: asked Kurtuzuki and the other day about their process with

847
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 4: Ryan Johnson going from a leverage reliever to getting sent

848
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 4: out to Hya to getting you know, put on the

849
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 4: I l or something for two months in explained absence. Uh,

850
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 4: maybe just shutting him down for a little while, I

851
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 4: don't know, and then comes back as a reliever at

852
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 4: the end of last year and now he's just a

853
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 4: starter in the big leagues. I'm like, how does this

854
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 4: process make any sense? And he camped him to Mike Trout,

855
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 4: and I think this is always going to be their

856
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 4: their fallbacks. I was like, well, Mike Trout got sent

857
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 4: out and came back up, Like, I get it, players,

858
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 4: And he also wasn't getting sent to Hya, like you

859
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like this is the this is

860
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 4: always going to be the angels fallback. Well, you know,

861
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 4: let him get a taste, come back up, Like I

862
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 4: think that can work for some guys, but that's not

863
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 4: the reason they're doing They're doing this out of their

864
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 4: own desperate need to have pitching that they haven't acquired

865
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 4: and they haven't developed. And so now you just kind

866
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 4: of rush these guys up here, and now they're on

867
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 4: your forty man's you can't defame. And then like you

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Speaker 4: have to dfa guy you probably in Victor Madero's you

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Speaker 4: probably don't want to have to dfa, But you know what,

870
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Speaker 4: that's who's on your forty man and you needed pitching today,

871
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Speaker 4: and so now you lose Victor maderas as opposed to

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Speaker 4: be if you wasn't even on the forty man yet

873
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Speaker 4: or I don't know exactly what his rule five status

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Speaker 4: would have been, but that is, that is the problem

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Speaker 4: in a nutshell, and I'm sure Angels fans will you know,

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Speaker 4: have gotten mad and annoyed at me for tweeting about it,

877
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Speaker 4: but like, don't hate the facts of the situation. That

878
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Speaker 4: is the reality of it, and ultimately, like you're just like,

879
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Speaker 4: this is the way they operate, and it's the reason

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Speaker 4: that they're failing. And if you can't handle that fact

881
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 4: that you can't handle that truth, you know, just be

882
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Speaker 4: a blind loyal fan and watch them lose forever.

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Speaker 1: It's fine, all right, We're gonna close the show on

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Speaker 1: that note. Thank you, Sam for that fine soliloquy, Mark Turumbou,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us as usual, Thanks for tuning in.

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