WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Titanic Survivors!

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck. And I can say with one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 1>certainty that neither one of us went down with the Titanic, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true. Try to dispute that fact, you can't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're talking a little bit. I know we did

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<v Speaker 2>an episode on the Titanic, but I don't know that

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<v Speaker 2>we really dug into the data of survivors. And I

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<v Speaker 2>can't remember why I was looking at this, but I

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<v Speaker 2>just it might've just been a story that came my way,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just thought it was kind of interesting to

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<v Speaker 2>look a little bit about, like not the ones who perish,

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<v Speaker 2>but the people who survived, and like who were these people?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's always about the ones that perished.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Leo slipping under the cold, murky depths, even though

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<v Speaker 2>he could have fit on that door.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally. Yeah, it was kind of ridiculous, but still it

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<v Speaker 1>was a great ending. Yeah, So well, just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>go over the basic facts here, right. Titanic at left Southampton,

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<v Speaker 1>England for New York City on April tenth, nineteen twelve

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<v Speaker 1>four days later April fourteenth, maybe three days, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>remember if it was right, before the fourteenth or right

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<v Speaker 1>before the fifteenth. I really kind of meandered, there.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the night of the fourteenth, so it went into

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<v Speaker 2>the fifteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we got that wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>Four days into this cruise aboard. Seriously, what was the

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<v Speaker 1>most luxurious luxury liner, And there are plenty of luxury lines,

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<v Speaker 1>this was the cream of the crop. With twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and forty people on board, nine hundred of which

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<v Speaker 1>were crew. It struck an iceberg and within less than

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<v Speaker 1>three hours the whole ship, massive ship, had completely submerged sunk.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. If you're looking at the overall survival rates,

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<v Speaker 2>women survived obviously more than men, pretty significantly, seventy four

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<v Speaker 2>percent of the female passenger survived twenty percent of the

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<v Speaker 2>male passengers obviously because of the notion of women and

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<v Speaker 2>children first, which has always sort of been the calling

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<v Speaker 2>card of any situation, disaster, situation, and not only the

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<v Speaker 2>literally Captain Edward john Smith, you know, making that an

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<v Speaker 2>order in the evac process, but just the general idea

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, you're going to prioritize the women and children. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and they actually did instinctively.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's nice to see, like you can say, just

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<v Speaker 1>statistically speaking, they definitely did. Seventy four percent of female

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<v Speaker 1>passengers did survive, but only twenty percent of male passengers survived.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, oh, great, let's call it. Ah, it ended

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<v Speaker 1>just great as far as.

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<v Speaker 2>Those things are, Oh call it a day.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing is is, if you start digging into the classes,

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<v Speaker 1>there's some disparities that emerge that are a little disturbing,

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<v Speaker 1>and by a little, I mean pretty disturbing and sad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So there were three classes aboard first, second, and third,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the crew members, and they go as follows.

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<v Speaker 2>Sixty two percent of the first class passenger survived. For

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of reasons. Obviously, they were prioritized just because

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunately that's how it worked back then, maybe still how

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<v Speaker 2>it works a little bit. You're given priority on those lifeboats.

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<v Speaker 2>But also just because of the sheer fact that when

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<v Speaker 2>you're up on a higher floor you're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>closer to those life boats, you're gonna be able to

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<v Speaker 2>get there quicker and get information relayed to you quicker.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Plus all of them were automatically enrolled in the

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<v Speaker 1>Titanic's VIP Life Saving Members Club policy. Yeah, so the

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<v Speaker 1>second class passengers. They didn't fare quite as well, but

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<v Speaker 1>still not that bad. Forty three percent of them survived.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually it's pretty bad. The reason why is for the

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<v Speaker 1>opposite reasons of what you just said. They were further

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<v Speaker 1>away from the lifeboats, the crew paid less attention to

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<v Speaker 1>helping them get off of the Titanic and onto those

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<v Speaker 1>life boats, and so so, yeah, more than half of

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<v Speaker 1>the people in second class died, and I saw that

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<v Speaker 1>second So something I saw about this is that the

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<v Speaker 1>third class passengers, which we'll talk about in a second,

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<v Speaker 1>they actually had little cabins that were nicer than second

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<v Speaker 1>class accommodations on other liners. Oh yeah, but that the

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<v Speaker 1>second class passengers had the kind of the jankiest because

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<v Speaker 1>for some reason, not all of the second class cabins

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<v Speaker 1>got finished because Titanic's construction was so rushed. Oh interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently there were reports of people who were in

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<v Speaker 1>second class that were finding half eaten sandwiches that the

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<v Speaker 1>workmen had left behind. That's how I wonder recently it

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<v Speaker 1>was completed.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if they were that's remarkable. First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>think I wonder if they were like, well, you got

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<v Speaker 2>two crews, let's start building from the top and from

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom, and then they ran out of time in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I was on a flight, you mean, I went

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<v Speaker 1>to Dominican Republic years ago, and it was one of

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<v Speaker 1>those ones where you walk out on the tarmac and

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<v Speaker 1>climb the stairs to board. Oh yeah, I've never seen

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<v Speaker 1>this before in my life. But the ground crew opened

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<v Speaker 1>the front and the side door and said have at it,

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<v Speaker 1>And so people had no idea which door to go up,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're like having to pass one another in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the airplane trying to get to their seats.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the dumbest boarding I've ever seen in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still it still takes my breath away. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>believe it was going on. It was just absolutely hilarious.

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<v Speaker 2>You knew who also? I wonder if I should name

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<v Speaker 2>this person? Is that bad to say that someone had

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<v Speaker 2>a VIP experience that you witnessed.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this about Hodgman?

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<v Speaker 2>It has to be no usher?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, what about them?

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<v Speaker 2>When I got on my flight coming home from our

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas vacation to the Bahamas, we were just about to

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<v Speaker 2>step onto the plane literally, and the airline employees were like, well, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys moved to the side, and this group of

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<v Speaker 2>about twenty people they just shuttle by us, which I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't like what's going on here? I was just like

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on here? I was just more like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is weird. Who are they? I get on the plane

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<v Speaker 2>and the very first person I see is Usher sitting

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<v Speaker 2>there on the front first row. I was like, wait

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<v Speaker 2>a minute. I was like, Usher didn't he didn't walk

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<v Speaker 2>by us in that crew, he was already on the plane.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting thought about it a little bit on the flight.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when we get to Atlanta, Usher's up in

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<v Speaker 2>front of us, obviously, and he he takes a left

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<v Speaker 2>out of that door where you like put your baby

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<v Speaker 2>stroller and doesn't walk up the jetway. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on? And I looked out of that door

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<v Speaker 2>and there were probably fifteen Matt Black BMW sitting on

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<v Speaker 2>the tarmac.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, Oh, Usher doesn't even have to walk

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<v Speaker 2>through an airport. No, And I'm sure we can pay

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<v Speaker 2>for that kind of experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, for sure. I'm doog that he even flew commercial.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're doing that kind of stuff, why wouldn't you

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<v Speaker 1>just fly private?

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<v Speaker 2>We asked ourselves that same question. If he, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he clearly is paying for like a lot of his

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<v Speaker 2>family and extended family to take this awesome vacation. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>there were so many people, it seems like it would

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<v Speaker 2>have been more cost effective to probably rent a plane.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you'd think, so, come on, not sure, let's get

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<v Speaker 1>it together.

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<v Speaker 2>But they weren't sitting in first class, and he had

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<v Speaker 2>his family back there and coach. Really most of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I saw a few in delta comfort, but

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<v Speaker 2>there you go. You know, he was up there with

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<v Speaker 2>his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't fly private because he was sacrificing for his

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<v Speaker 1>family members because he didn't want to fly them private.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't be graduated. Good for him if he

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<v Speaker 2>can afford that. More power to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Man who thought Usher was going to make an appearance

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<v Speaker 1>in this Titanic Survivor short stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>Not me at all. So maybe and Usher, but not

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<v Speaker 2>the Usher.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, So let's real quick before we take a break

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<v Speaker 1>go through.

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<v Speaker 2>So third class, Oh geez, is that where we were?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they were the worst off of all. Only twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six percent of people in third class one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>seventy four out of seven hundred and nine passengers survived.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I just should point out that that's obviously

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<v Speaker 2>due to them being lower, but then also they're not

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<v Speaker 2>prioritized and they're not getting They didn't even bother telling

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<v Speaker 2>them what to do. Basically, they were like, figure it

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<v Speaker 2>out yourself, and they may not have even understood figure

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<v Speaker 2>it out yourself in a lot of cases because as

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<v Speaker 2>we know, fun a good the three and then the

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<v Speaker 2>Titanic movie. Can't remember his name, Billy Zane Leo's Italian buddy.

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<v Speaker 1>Giuseppe, was that his name? I don't remember he had that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think the guy was really Italian, but he

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<v Speaker 2>You know, a lot of times those third class passengers

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<v Speaker 2>on the Titanic may not have spoken English, so there

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<v Speaker 2>was a language barrier on top of everything, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Ironically that actor was native American playing in a how

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<v Speaker 1>in person.

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<v Speaker 2>And he cried when he saw trash in the ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>So you said one more thing though, that they're in

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<v Speaker 1>the lower decks. It's not just harder to get up

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<v Speaker 1>to the upper decks in the lifeboats. That's also the

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<v Speaker 1>first area to flood with seawater when ship strikes in Iceberg. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, crew members actually only twenty four percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the crew members survived. Yeah, that's actually the lowest number,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a heartfelt number because most of them died

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<v Speaker 1>saving other people's lives. Yeah, let's take a break and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll come back and run through some notable survivors. How

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<v Speaker 1>about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it, jaw all right, we promise talk of

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<v Speaker 2>notable survivors. We have a good list here, but we're

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<v Speaker 2>just going to kind of pick and choose some of

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<v Speaker 2>our faves. So I'll go first, if I may, yes, please.

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<v Speaker 2>The first person I'm gonna pick is a little bebie,

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<v Speaker 2>a nine week old baby named Milvina Dean, the youngest

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<v Speaker 2>survivor of the Titanic, and I did a little more

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<v Speaker 2>research on Milvina. Milvina was from England. Her parents ran

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<v Speaker 2>a pub and decided they wanted to move to Kansas.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they had family in Kansas, or maybe it

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<v Speaker 2>was misery. I can't remember one of the two, and

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<v Speaker 2>either way, they're immigrating to the US. They sold their

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<v Speaker 2>pub Dad bought a third class family ticket. Ironically, they

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<v Speaker 2>were not even supposed to be on the Titanic. Like

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the passengers, there was a coal strike

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<v Speaker 2>that relocated them to the Titanic, and when the incident happened,

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<v Speaker 2>when the iceberg was struck, Dad instructed the family to

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<v Speaker 2>go up, up, up to the lifeboats. They survived mom, brother,

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<v Speaker 2>and little nine week old Milvina. Sadly Dad did not survive.

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<v Speaker 2>They went back to England afterward because they didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just the mom and the two kids went

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<v Speaker 2>back to what was more familiar and she ended up

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<v Speaker 2>being the oldest living survivor just died in two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and nine at ninety seven years old. And one other

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<v Speaker 2>quick thing, she did not even know she was a

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<v Speaker 2>passenger on the Titanic until she was eight years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, yeah, crazy, that's a good one, Chuck, I

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<v Speaker 1>got one.

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<v Speaker 2>What you got?

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<v Speaker 1>There was a very famous survivor, a woman named Margaret

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<v Speaker 1>Molly Brown and sinkable, yes, very famously dubbed the unsinkable

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<v Speaker 1>Molly Brown, because not only did she survive the Titanic,

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<v Speaker 1>she was instrumental in helping like organize the survivors aboard

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<v Speaker 1>the Carpathia. She helped with language barriers. She was originally

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<v Speaker 1>from Ireland, so she was able to speak to some

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<v Speaker 1>of the Irish immigrants who didn't speak English. And not

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<v Speaker 1>only that, she raised ten thousand dollars, which is equal

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<v Speaker 1>to about three hundred and twenty thousand dollars today among

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<v Speaker 1>the first class passengers to help the second and third

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<v Speaker 1>class passengers who had lost family members before the Carpathia

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<v Speaker 1>even reached New York.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The other notable thing about her, and there's plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of notable things, but the press dubbed her of the

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<v Speaker 1>unsinkable Molly Brown. She never used the name Molly in

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<v Speaker 1>her entire life. It was always Margaret.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that I didn't know that was even a nickname.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the unsinkable Oh Molly for Margaret. Yeah, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know that either. I thought Molly was just Molly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, me too, Yeah or e Come on, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a couple here that are linked. A gentleman

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<v Speaker 2>named Carl the k Bear and a gentleman named Dick

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<v Speaker 2>Norris Richard nor Williams the third. I mentioned these guys

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<v Speaker 2>together because they were both tennis players, like tennis stars.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe Carl Bert was traveling with his fiance, Helen Newsom,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe they weren't engaged yet, but she became his

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<v Speaker 2>wife at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they were engaged and he did help her onto

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<v Speaker 2>a lifeboat. They were separated, but he got a spot

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<v Speaker 2>on a different lifeboat. Richard Norris Williams, the second, was

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<v Speaker 2>traveling with his father. They were separated, but he was rescued.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't see about his father.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I didn't either.

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<v Speaker 2>But Williams was rescued. And again I mentioned them together

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<v Speaker 2>because they ended up competing against one another post Titanic.

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<v Speaker 1>On the tennis courts.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty crazy, and I'm sure some Wiseacre said something about

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<v Speaker 2>it being like a Titanic of a match or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, I've got one more. Then how

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<v Speaker 1>about you do one more?

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<v Speaker 2>No, let just let's just finish up with yours.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, this is well, Now I have to choose.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a woman named Edith Rosenbaum Russell. At the time,

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<v Speaker 1>she was just Edith Rosenbaum. She became a fashion journalist

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<v Speaker 1>and a fashion buyer. Had she not survived, the pantsuit

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<v Speaker 1>might never have been invented. But what she's famous for

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<v Speaker 1>is that she had a toy pig that she brought

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<v Speaker 1>with her that her mother had given her while she

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<v Speaker 1>was grieving the loss of her husband, who had died

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<v Speaker 1>in an auto accident like a year or two before.

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<v Speaker 1>So she carried this toy pig with her everywhere. Edith did,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said that she was spending time locking her

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<v Speaker 1>trunks because just in case the ship went down, she

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to float, or she wanted she didn't want people

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<v Speaker 1>stealing from them. She didn't plan on getting out of

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<v Speaker 1>the Titanic at all. But some random crew member grabbed

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<v Speaker 1>the pig from her, from her arm and said, if you,

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<v Speaker 1>if you, if you're not gonna save your baby, I will,

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<v Speaker 1>and threw the pig into one of the lifeboats. And

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<v Speaker 1>so Edith said she she realized very clearly that that

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<v Speaker 1>was a sign that her mother would want her to survive,

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<v Speaker 1>because her mother had given her the pig. So she

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<v Speaker 1>followed the pig into the lifeboat and survived. And now

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<v Speaker 1>the pig is in the National Maritime Museum in London.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, you know what, I am going to mention

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<v Speaker 2>one more just quickly, because I thought you were going

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<v Speaker 2>to pick this guy. Yeah, but we should mention that

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<v Speaker 2>Bruce Ismay, who was the managing director of the White

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<v Speaker 2>Star Line that was you know that ran the Titanic.

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<v Speaker 2>He survived, was A guy that was in the movie

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<v Speaker 2>was played by Jonathan Hyde, and he got a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of obviously got a lot of criticism. It was on

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<v Speaker 2>one of the last lifeboats, but still people were like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>women and children are perishing and the guy who runs

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<v Speaker 2>the whole show gets himself on a lifeboat. Ye, you

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<v Speaker 2>should have prioritized other people's safety. So he didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>the best reputation after that.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what that means.

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