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Speaker 1: At least, he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale LOLLI he is the Matt Williamson except

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Speaker 3: no imitations. And it is a snowy Thursday here in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: It's not warming up at all. Yeah, Matt.

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Speaker 3: Two weeks from today, the Combine workouts will begin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in Indianapolis. We already, You're already there, and right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: third night, Thirday, I guess, yeah, Yeah, we're there.

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Speaker 3: Get their Monday, stretching it out Monday through Friday, and

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Speaker 3: you'll be able to hear all of our shows. In fact,

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Speaker 3: it's actually kind of a neat schedule for the for

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Speaker 3: the Combine.

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Speaker 2: Here. Let me see if I can find that schedule.

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Speaker 3: And we start at nine am, right, and we go

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Speaker 3: to four pm every day with.

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Speaker 2: Live coverage except for Friday. Friday, we're done it. Friday

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Speaker 2: is a little bit different, right, Yeah. What I know

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Speaker 2: and I don't have it in front of me, is

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Speaker 2: I'm on from ten to noon each day, not Friday.

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Speaker 2: Friday is different. And then I'm back from two to four,

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Speaker 2: and I think Wes and maybe Rob or on the hours,

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Speaker 2: Rob or on from from the ear in the early nine.

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Speaker 2: But then there's hockey line changes, you know where people

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Speaker 2: come and go oh wow, yeah right, yeah, well, well

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Speaker 2: we'll hear it. Here's a schedule. We're here, good, all right.

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Speaker 2: So nine to ten is Wes and Rob. Great. Ten

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Speaker 2: to noon Rob's first combine. I believe I would think, yeah,

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Speaker 2: doctor Nadam Uh. Ten to noon is Wes, Rob and you. Okay,

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Speaker 3: Then it from noon to two it's myself, Max Starks

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Speaker 3: and Jerry du Lac. Then from two to four it's me.

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Speaker 2: You and Max. I think Max only sticks around for

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Speaker 2: six around for an hour, yeah, and then you and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we'll consider continue through with that through

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Speaker 3: Thursday and then Friday. Schedule again. Nine to ten is

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Speaker 3: Wes and Rob. Uh tend to noon is Wes, Robin, Matt,

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Speaker 3: and then from noon to two is Dale, Max and Matt.

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Speaker 2: And then we're hopping in the car and heading back

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Speaker 2: car and coming.

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Speaker 3: Back and uh we'll have all the interviews and all

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Speaker 2: But that starts Tuesday, right, that starts on Tuesday. We

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Speaker 2: to still do a drive. We'll be in Indy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so we'll figure that out, but we should still be

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Speaker 3: So wall to wall coverage here on the Steelers Audio Network,

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: What you what you tune in for? And this year's

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Speaker 2: rafts and stuff too. Yeah. Time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they sent out the list of Combine invitees. Uh

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Speaker 3: the NFL did, or I should Yeah, I guess the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's like three hundred and twenty nine

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Speaker 2: Over thirty running backs wow, which it's I mentioned. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean mel Kiper has been saying he has thirty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, some of them got left out because I think

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Speaker 2: It's insane. Yeah, there's gonna be really good undrafted running backs. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean there's like over forty wide receivers invited to this.

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Speaker 2: Of that nature. It's it's a big time. Oh, it's

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Speaker 2: decline these invites. They may know you go to this one,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this was the first opportunity for a lot

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Speaker 3: We've started on some of our triple take stuff and

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Speaker 3: for Steelers dot Co. And I said to you him,

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Speaker 3: for the early stuff that we're doing. Don't put any

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Speaker 2: That's for sure that those are going to be way off.

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Speaker 3: We'll get those measurements that those come through Pro.

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Speaker 2: We usually get them like on the air. Yeah, we'll

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Speaker 2: have them all before we're done on Friday. Yeah, yeah, sure, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: One of the first things. Yeah, I forget the exact

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Speaker 3: Okay, so we'll get a good look at those guys

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Speaker 2: And all that kind of stuff. Early in the process,

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Speaker 3: Kind of my point with with Bob yesterday when we

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Speaker 2: And I understand Bob's side of it. He wants the

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Speaker 3: And that's why the workout for a guy like Grant, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think he could play.

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Speaker 2: In Yeah, yeah, yeah, he could play fifty snaps a game,

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Speaker 3: Just looking here at that that twenty fourteen draft where

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Speaker 3: the Steelers got stuff on Towett in.

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Speaker 2: The second round. He was an early one though, right,

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Speaker 2: it was mid mad Yeah, I guess those she's your draft, right.

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Speaker 3: Jenevian Clowney was the first overall pick. Okay, you didn't

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Speaker 2: Well, Mack Win a couple of picks after him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, then you're looking at Dominic easily went twenty nine.

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Speaker 2: He washed out quick. Yeah after that. Wow, that's a

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Speaker 2: really late first round for DeMarcus Lawrence was the second

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Speaker 3: And there's gonna be a bunch of offensive linemen that

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Speaker 2: And you know, to pull the curtain back. We both

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Speaker 3: Good for this, you know, for I think this is

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Speaker 2: And then you know, you edgeing no line, I think

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Speaker 3: You start seeing those those spots fill up and it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: It just works out. Well yeah, yeah, again, it's so early,

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Speaker 3: That's the interesting thing to me about this draft is that,

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Speaker 2: especially the noses. I mean there's yeah, I would have

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Speaker 3: so's it's just going to be the way this one

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Speaker 2: Like, Okay, I don't know if you looked at my

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Speaker 3: I could see you under the table with at Ike

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Speaker 2: That shrimp is pretty good. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well done. You like that anyways?

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Speaker 3: So I wake up this morning, yeah, as I do

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And the way I got just waking up ball Foggy,

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Speaker 2: I was like, this is like close to a done deal,

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's tap the brakes on that little little bit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah again. You know this time of year, you'll

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Speaker 3: see all kinds of crazy stuff bandied about.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the rumors, and you know, part of it's

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Speaker 3: People have commons, right for example, in this situation, and

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Speaker 3: I don't know who the reporter in question spoke to

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's extremely noteworthy that organization doesn't have

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Speaker 3: So whoever this conversation took place between doesn't include anybody

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Speaker 2: I mean, the owner is right to trade Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 3: Because of that particular point here, they're still interviewing GM.

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean, since then did they fall in love

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Speaker 2: I think you got to get out now with Lawrence.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's the guy. I'm just trying to

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Speaker 3: That's going to say money is million dollars in dead money.

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Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, he has no trade clause

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Speaker 3: All those scouts are on different.

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Speaker 3: Right, Hey, how's it going, And you know, we start

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Speaker 2: been the extent of it. And frankly, if it was

437
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 2: Omar that had a conversation with somebody in the organization,

438
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,320
Speaker 2: that's his job too, write you know, a turnover every

439
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,119
Speaker 2: stone possible, is he? I mean, they're not calling the

440
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 2: chiefs about mahomes. But if there's a one percent chance

441
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,399
Speaker 2: that there's something that's worth talking about, let's talk about it.

442
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,879
Speaker 3: Or you talk to every communications amongst the it happens

443
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 3: on a regular basis, and you're not doing your job.

444
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 3: They talk on a consistent ass But the point of

445
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 3: the fact of the matter is who the hell with

446
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 3: Omar talk to right now? Within that organization thing?

447
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 2: Tony Bisselli is doing something and he just got hired

448
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 2: earlier this week, and I think you the radio announcer. Yeah,

449
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think he's even like in charge

450
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:14,400
Speaker 2: of I don't know what.

451
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 3: He doing So was this a conversation between say Max

452
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,120
Speaker 3: Starks and Tony Biselli.

453
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I don't know. I don't know none of it,

454
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,439
Speaker 2: dads up. It was.

455
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,360
Speaker 3: It was reported like it was some kind of breaking news.

456
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 3: Conversations take place between teams all the time. To throw

457
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 3: in the fact, well there were you know, first and

458
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 3: second round picks being thrown around and all that kind

459
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:36,200
Speaker 3: of stuff.

460
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 2: Like the specifics of it all. Yeah, it makes it

461
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 2: sound like it went a lot further than I'm sure.

462
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 2: This isn't a fantasy football trade.

463
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 3: No.

464
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 2: And another thing absolutely could have happened is you're calling

465
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 2: him about Christian Kirk and that's serious.

466
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 3: Maybe that is serious, right, that would that would have

467
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 3: been much more believable than this.

468
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 2: Steelers and Jags are talking, Oh, they must want the quarterback.

469
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 3: And maybe that's you know, maybe the Steelers did have

470
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 3: the Hey, we were we were close on Christian Kirk

471
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 3: the trade deadline. Right, where's he at in terms of

472
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 3: his health? Are you guys still interested in dealing him?

473
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 2: Because we're very interested. We liked them then, we still

474
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 2: like him now, assuming there's no health ramifications or compounding

475
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:11,360
Speaker 2: the matter.

476
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 3: And over the course of the conversation. You say, hey,

477
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 3: how's Trevor Lawrence coming along?

478
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 2: Or they ask you, you know what you guys are

479
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,199
Speaker 2: question of quarterbacks doing right now? We're still looking. Okay,

480
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 2: give us eighteen first round picks for Trevor.

481
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 3: I never even got to add far. It's a ridiculous

482
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 3: report people running.

483
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 2: It just doesn't add up at all. None of it does.

484
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 3: But conversations take place on a regular basis between teams

485
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 3: doesn't make them noteworthy.

486
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 2: No, it makes it.

487
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 3: It would be more noteworthy if if no conversations ever

488
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 3: took place.

489
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't. Nobody talked to anybody, and we don't,

490
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 2: especially this time of year. We're world off. I mean

491
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 2: all these teams now are all buttoned up doing preliminary

492
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 2: draft boards. I mean they're not free agent ranking. Yeah yeah, yeah,

493
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 2: but I mean all the scouts are in town.

494
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 3: You just got to list for the combine. Now you

495
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 3: have to sit down and figure out who do we

496
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 3: want to talk to?

497
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, we only got so many interviews, and

498
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: you know, which ones are we going to do formally,

499
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 2: which ones we're gonna do informally. And a lot of teams, rightfully,

500
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: so like to at least have your final football grades

501
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 2: in now, so you don't go changing your reports because

502
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 2: he ran a four to two. You know, like you

503
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 2: already use this is these these next two weeks are

504
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 2: very busy for the scouts, very busy. One of the

505
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: busiest times, right, yeah, your work frankly when you get

506
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 2: to the war rooms. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean you

507
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 2: rank well with this guy running back four, that's moving

508
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 2: the running back six. You know, things like that. But

509
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 2: you're real familiar with the mee was a little worse

510
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 2: than what we thought. Yeah, I didn't like the way

511
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: talking to him or boy, he really had no clue

512
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 2: about protections or you know whatever. Yeah, but that's what's

513
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 2: going on now.

514
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guarantee you if if there was a five

515
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 3: second conversation, it was not by anybody from with in Jacksonville.

516
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 3: Who's a decision maker. They don't have one right now

517
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 3: except for the owner. Except for the owner, and probably

518
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 3: not gonna make trades on his I would not think.

519
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 3: So that's not how that works.

520
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: And you know, again it was probably just in passing.

521
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 3: And again it could have been as part of another

522
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 3: potential trade back.

523
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: You just don't know. But to then speculate.

524
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: That, well, the Steelers give up the first a second,

525
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 3: and they're going to give up next year's first, even

526
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 3: though they host a draft next year. They're willing to

527
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 3: give up this for Trevor Lawrence.

528
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 2: Come on, man, yeah, I understand if this if you

529
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: were available, in which I don't think he is not.

530
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 2: He's not. The Steelers should inquire. From the Jags perspective.

531
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 2: As soon as I read it, I'm like, they're not

532
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 2: doing that. I mean, they're not going to take They

533
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: signed him one year ago. It was like almost like

534
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 2: three and sixty five days ago. I mean, the cap

535
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 2: hit would be astronomical.

536
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 3: If somebody came out and said, the Steelers have called

537
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 3: the Rams inquiring about Matthew Stafford.

538
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 2: I hope they have, right, that's believable. Yeah, I hope

539
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 2: they have. But you can call the Jags you want.

540
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 2: I mean, it just it makes no sense for them to.

541
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's like, no, he's our quarterback, and the

542
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: story if it even got that far, I forgot that

543
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: far right, and I doubt that. Again, I agree, none

544
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 2: of it added up to me at all, but especially

545
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 2: from the Jags perspective. But we we just saw him

546
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: moving on for him, Yeah, right, just signed.

547
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 3: Him, hired a coach to work with them. Yeah, for

548
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 3: that reason. It's the craziness it takes place at this

549
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 3: time of year. No, of course, we also now know

550
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 3: that the Jets are officially moving on from Aaron Rodgers.

551
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 3: So let the speculation begin with that, because why wouldn't

552
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 3: the Steelers want a forty two year old quarterback?

553
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 2: Yep, I've already heard. You know, Steelers are one of

554
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: the leaders in the clubhouse in Vegas of where Rogers

555
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 2: is going to play his next snap. Blah blah blah

556
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: blah blah. Again, the Steelers should have a conversation about it.

557
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: That's what's their drawing your due diligy. You just don't

558
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 2: be like nap, you know, is that better than our

559
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: options here? What would he want? Okay, no, no, no?

560
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 2: Can he still play? Can he still play? We played

561
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 2: against him last year? What did we what? What did

562
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 2: our scouting report show going into that game? Yeah?

563
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's all part of the conversation. You have

564
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 3: conversations about a lot of stuff. Doesn't mean it doesn't

565
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 3: mean that you are close to making that decision. But

566
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 3: you consider all options. That's your job.

567
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: You have to. That's the job. And there was a scout,

568
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 2: a pro scout that was in charge of the Jets

569
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: that had a full write up on Aaron Rodgers the

570
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 2: day they played and won for the final after the year.

571
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: That's your job as an area, as a pro scout,

572
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 2: you use as a jumping off point and if it's

573
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: immediately we can do better than that conversation, pight doesn't

574
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: go any further, you know.

575
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to have these conversations. Yeah, I just

576
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 3: I don't know. At some point here in the next

577
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 3: few weeks, the Steelers are probably going to sign a quarterback,

578
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 3: and I'm going to continue to believe what ar Ernie

579
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 3: the Icond said at his press briefing at the end

580
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,479
Speaker 3: of the season that his preference is that it is

581
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson or just some fields.

582
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 2: They have to be the leaders in the clubhouse. I mean,

583
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: they just have to the rest of it is just

584
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: pure speculation, and I don't quite understand the Rogers side

585
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 2: of it. I mean, I don't know that makes you

586
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: any better off than what you were. And again, like

587
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: all these things, you have to look at through both sides,

588
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 2: you know, like that Jags conversation, why would they move

589
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: them I mean Rogers. To me, he's not going back

590
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: to the Jets. Okay, we know that it's not going

591
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 2: back to the Packers. I'm not going back to Backers.

592
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 2: Like the teams that he could even go to. Do

593
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: you think he wants to play for the Giants or

594
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 2: Titans or Raiders or you know, the Steelers to me

595
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: are the only ones that at least would be in

596
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: the playoff hunt, you know, if they were interested in him, Like,

597
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 2: how many teams are available that he would want to

598
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: play for right now?

599
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 3: And here's the thing with Rogers, Let's say they they

600
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: were to decide, yeah, we're going to go that route.

601
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 3: He would have to make a lot of concessions. Yeah,

602
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 3: in terms of you know, you're going to be here

603
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 3: for the offseason program. Sure, you're not going to go

604
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 3: off and skip mini camps.

605
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 2: You can go to Egypt or be on McAfee every

606
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: week talking about that.

607
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 3: You can't control I know, I know, you know that's

608
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: that's his business there, and if he wants to do that,

609
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 3: that could be a reason why you don't want to

610
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 3: sign him. Though he's gonna he's gonna air all of

611
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: our dirt, you know, any kind of dirty laundry or

612
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 3: anything that happens within the organization. He's going to go

613
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,959
Speaker 3: on McAfee and talk about it. And if we want that,

614
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 3: is that something we can deal with.

615
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 2: And I have unbelievable respect for him as a player

616
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: through his career, one of the best quarterbacks we've ever seen.

617
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 2: But I don't know anything's ever been his fault in

618
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 2: terms of like public eye or one of those things,

619
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: you know, like he's not the one of the guy

620
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: that falls on the sword for his teammates either. It's

621
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 2: just his personality.

622
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, I don't I don't think that's

623
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 3: the direction that they'll go.

624
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: But and it's such easy clickbait for people though, But

625
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: any quarterback you can link to the Steelers right now,

626
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: and if you don't want to talk about it right

627
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: right anyone. I mean, it could be Jamis Winston, it

628
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: could be Joe Milton, it could be whoever. I mean,

629
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: it's gonna lead them to the Steelers. Oh oh yeah, yeah,

630
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: that's what's gonna happen. Right.

631
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 3: Well, let's let's talk about something you just mentioned. Of

632
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 3: the teams who don't have a quarterback, both New York teams. Yeah, yeah,

633
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 3: Tennessee Tennessee Raiders, the Raiders, anybody else that I'm missing.

634
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: There, I think, but I'm I'm gonna have to. I mean,

635
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 2: Darnold's gonna fill one of those, the Browns. Browns, Yeah,

636
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: that's definitely one of the of those teams, the Steelers

637
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: are easily the most attractive landing spots by far, by far,

638
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: if said quarterback gets to pick and choose where he lands,

639
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: of all those teams. It's why Wilson signed here last year. Yeah, yeah,

640
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to win this year or

641
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: go to the playoffs, they the Steelers have a much

642
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: better chance going to the playoffs and all those teams

643
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: you mentioned much by far.

644
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: You might be able to combine the rosters of hell

645
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 3: those other teams and it still wouldn't be what the

646
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: Steelers have.

647
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: No, there aren't many. There aren't any good teams that

648
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: are quarterback searching, no one of the reasons why they're

649
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: good teams.

650
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, despite all the again when

651
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 3: we went through some of the stuff yesterday, the power

652
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: rankings and things of that nature earlier this week, the

653
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: Steelers do not have a bad roster. No, No, They've

654
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 3: got a roster that is that can win. It's a

655
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 3: competitive right with the quarterback with again legitimate quarterback.

656
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: Play, which is why they probably view this whole quarterback

657
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: situation different than the Titans of the first overall pick, etcetera, etcetera.

658
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: You know, should we go with Ward or should we

659
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: try to sign Donald or should we punt and take

660
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: who we think is the best player available and hope

661
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: Levis turns into something or you know, I mean, that's

662
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: a totally different conversation. Expectations are different.

663
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's one reason why we've talked

664
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 3: about Sam Donald. Sam Donald's the best quarterback available in

665
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 3: this cycle right now that we know of. Yeah, if Stafford,

666
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: if Stafford were available, that would change.

667
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: Yet he's certainly the best. You don't have to pay

668
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: any for terms of draft pick that kind of stuff. Yeah,

669
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: But is he the answer? And that's that's the question

670
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: that you have to ask yourself, right because it is

671
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: still a substantial contract and he's gonna want at least

672
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: a three year deal I would think, which he will get.

673
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. And again, you just mentioned six seven

674
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: teams that don't really have quarterbacks. If we count two

675
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: in the draft Donald, we don't get to six or seven. Yeah,

676
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: Wilson and or fields. That's why they'll have suitors.

677
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 3: If like people saying that Russell Wilson would Pittsburgh's only

678
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 3: option need to look around the.

679
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: League a little bit here. Yeah, there's not enough chairs

680
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: to fill. There's not enough butts to fill the chairs.

681
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: There isn't right now. I mean it makes me wonder

682
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: if Winston's going to be starting somewhere, you know, or

683
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones. I mean, you're kind of run out of

684
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: thirty two pretty quick. You know, they just aren't enough.

685
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 3: And so, you know, I do think that the Steelers,

686
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: because of their situation, are in a little they're in

687
00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 3: a better spot to get who they want as opposed

688
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: to saddle as opposing you know, a team like the Jets,

689
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 3: it's going to have to settle whatever they can get. Yeah,

690
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: we're not in this position where we're gonna be able

691
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 3: to draft one.

692
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and the Saints move on from car who

693
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: wants to go there? I don't know that they can, ye,

694
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: I mean that that doesn't save them any money after

695
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: June first, you anything they can do. Their their cap.

696
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: Is the salary cap is unbelievable. It's like Mickey Loomish.

697
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 3: They must not have a salary cap guy there.

698
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: Right, because they just kick the can year after year

699
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: where it gets worse and worse.

700
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: They have like their their top of their top, like

701
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: fifteen salaries on their.

702
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: Roster, including Car, who's a bigger including Car.

703
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 3: They've got like two of them that they can move

704
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 3: on from and actually have cap savings.

705
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: Before the rest of them. They all have to.

706
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: They have to eat a bunch of cap. Yeah, and

707
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 3: they're forty million over the cap.

708
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: The forty million over the camp, and they don't have

709
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: a good roster, and they don't have very many good

710
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: young players.

711
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 3: They almost have to cut all their young players just

712
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 3: to yeah make it work, which you know, we've even

713
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 3: talked about.

714
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: Okay, they shouldn't trade Crystal Lave, but if they can

715
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: save seven million, it's somehow it's like seven million in savings.

716
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: That's like the biggest chunk that they can get. Yeah,

717
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: and they actually get a good pick for them, you know,

718
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: like Okay, you.

719
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 3: Know, you know if they would at that point at

720
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,719
Speaker 3: this point though, because of the concussion situation, you might

721
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 3: have to move in for like a four, yeah, you

722
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: know exactly, and he's probably worth more than that.

723
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: Because all the stuff they can do, all the old

724
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: guys on defense car after June first, you can they

725
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: make see that or.

726
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,239
Speaker 3: They gotta they gotta start adding voidable years on all

727
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: these guys.

728
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 2: And then you're just kicking it further down the road. Right,

729
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: how long are you going to pay tomorrow? Davis and

730
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: the honey Badger those guys. I mean, it's really.

731
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 3: Bad almost what they're going to have to do if

732
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 3: they're not willing to do some of those things like that,

733
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: like move on from a lave.

734
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and aren't many others that you can do that.

735
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: We don't have it.

736
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 3: The other guys aren't making money or desirable. They were

737
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 3: also trading away draft picks, draft capital. There were years

738
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: where they only had two draft picks.

739
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot they moved up for, like Trevor Penning. Yeah.

740
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 3: They were aggressive and address so you don't want to

741
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: go down that route.

742
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 2: No, it's terrible that cap space or cap situation, and

743
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: the Browns one, to me is remarkably terrible. Like I

744
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: don't think it's savable over the course of two years,

745
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: you know, Like, but hey, they went for it, yeah

746
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: right right, I mean like they I think those teams

747
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 2: should truly might be the two this year, might be

748
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: the two worst teams in the league. Yeah, they may

749
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: combine to win three games. I mean, I really think

750
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 2: there's a chance those two teams are that bad just

751
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 2: because the things they have that are worth anything they

752
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 2: have to trade to get another cap. Yea brutal it's

753
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: you don't want to be in that situation, Boloks. You

754
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: just don't know, be really bad for those teams. But yeah,

755
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, even like I thought, like before

756
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 2: the trade deadline last year, trade Kamara to the Chiefs

757
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: or something. They extended them and it made him even

758
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 2: a bigger cap. Said problem, you know, like at least

759
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: he was playing well. You might not. You might get

760
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: a fifth round pick for him. They'll runt him for

761
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 2: the rest of the year. Send them down. Off your books.

762
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 2: He's off your books, right as opposed to now you

763
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 2: him a bunch of money in the future and he's

764
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: a thirty year old running back or whatever, Like what

765
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: are you doing?

766
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, there's a lot of funny stuff that

767
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 3: happens on Bourbon Street, and that's just more of it.

768
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, that absolutely is, And that's the way

769
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 2: they're structured, you know. I mean I was joker. It's

770
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 2: always Marty Grass with the Saints and they don't care

771
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 2: about the hangover. The hangover's coming hard. Yeah, I think

772
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 2: it's this year, absolutely, but they should with the new coach.

773
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: I mean it's time to start over. Yeah. Anyways, let's

774
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 2: get through a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

775
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 3: I'm Dale Lolly and this is the Drive on the

776
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and

777
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 3: I will be back with more right after this. At least.

778
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: He's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

779
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

780
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

781
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: Welcome back on Dale Lolly. He is the Williamson and Matt.

782
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 3: Over the course of the last few weeks or I've

783
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: had my reviews of the Steelers position whistle position groups,

784
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 3: and one of the final ones I did was the

785
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 3: quarterback position. For obvious reasons. Sure, and you know, I

786
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 3: think when you look at the season as a whole,

787
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 3: the Steelers and people don't necessarily want to believe this.

788
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: They got better quarterback play this year than what they

789
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: got in twenty twenty three.

790
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: I would say for the last several years. I mean

791
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: really since yeah Sincesburg retired. Yeah, maybe even since his

792
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 2: arm injury is elbow injury. Yeah. Yeah, it was better.

793
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: There's no question. It's not the best in the league,

794
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 2: but it was better.

795
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 3: By the end of the season, they ended up averaging

796
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 3: one hundred and ninety two passing yards per game. They

797
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 3: had twenty one touchdown passes and six interceptions.

798
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 2: But you'll take yeah, I mean, I'd like to see

799
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 2: more passing touchdowns, but twenty one to six pretty good ratio.

800
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 3: If you extrapolated Wilson's just Wilson his numbers over a

801
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 3: seventeen game season, he would have thrown twenty five touchdown passes.

802
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 2: Yeah right, okay, I mean that's kind of what we thought.

803
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: We eight interceptions, which is what we thought it was

804
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: going to be. We made a ton of jokes going in,

805
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: like they may actually throw touchdown passes this year. Yeah,

806
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 2: well they did. They did, right right.

807
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: Wilson averaged two hundred and twenty five passing yards per

808
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 3: game with his sixteen touchdown passes and five interceptions. He

809
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 3: also ran for one hundred and fifty five yards and

810
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 3: two more touchdowns.

811
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so he was productive.

812
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Fields, justin Fields averaged one hundred and eighty four

813
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 3: passing yards per game and ran for two hundred and

814
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: thirty one yards in his five starts.

815
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: That's just what he averaged in his starts, in his starts, Okay,

816
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: the little bit he came in.

817
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't count that in. And he had five

818
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 3: more touchdowns. He threw five touchdown passes and he ran

819
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 3: for five touchdown passes.

820
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,959
Speaker 2: Okay, also decent production, right, and again getting more rushing

821
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 2: yards from the quarterback than you had in the past two.

822
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 3: Right, that's I think what you have to weigh right now,

823
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 3: you know. So with Wilson, you got you averaged forty

824
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 3: more passing yards per game than what you got out

825
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 3: of Fields. Fields, you averaged about forty more rushing yards.

826
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just the way it works out.

827
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And which do you prefer? Which way

828
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: do you want to go? Which path do you want

829
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: to choose? Right there, they don't have a lot of

830
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 2: similarities as quarterbacks and where they're at in their career,

831
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 2: skill set, ability to run, ability to throw, experience pre

832
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: snap stuff. I mean, so it really is a stylistic

833
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 2: decision too. As much as personality and you know, fit

834
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff too, which I don't

835
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 2: think personality is a problem with either one of them.

836
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: I think that's a strength for both the guys.

837
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 3: Right, another area where they were different. Wilson averaged seven

838
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 3: point four yards per pass attempt. Okay, Fields was at

839
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:56,479
Speaker 3: six point nine.

840
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a half yard, but it's a pretty

841
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: big difference.

842
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 3: Pretty, you know, they both had enough passes in there. Yeah,

843
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 3: it was all said and done to that's a meaningful difference.

844
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 3: It is average yards per completion. Wilson was an eleven

845
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: point six, Fields was a ten point four. Okay, that's

846
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 3: a pretty that's a very big jump to that's a

847
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 3: very significant difference. Now, again, you get the rushing capability

848
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: from Fields, absolutely, but I don't think it's arguable that

849
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 3: Wilson gives you more of a downfield.

850
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: I mean that he's still in the tape shows this.

851
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: He's still one of the better d passers in the league.

852
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: I mean that one hundred percent. Believe. I think he's

853
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: more accurate than given credit for, you know where actually

854
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: maybe both of them are. I mean I think Fields

855
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: was a little more accurate here, just purely completions and

856
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: ball placement and timing than at any point in his

857
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: Bears career. Now he a lot basically had nowhere to

858
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: go but up, to be honest, but he has. People

859
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: haven't noticed it enough with fields career. But there's a

860
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: lot of key areas where every he's taken at least

861
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 2: a small step forward, you know, I mean he is

862
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 2: getting better. Is it at a rapid enough rate? You know?

863
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: Is it comparable to Wilson as a passer? Not yet?

864
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: You know, I mean it isn't. But Wilson's accuracy and

865
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 2: some of the nerdy stats like you know, accuracy above

866
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: expectations and things like that, we're better than people think.

867
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: He doesn't miss many you know, he doesn't miss many

868
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 2: layups either.

869
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I understand why there's you know again,

870
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 3: it's there's two different approaches here to what you want

871
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: to be in twenty twenty five is really what this

872
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 3: is about. It's a lot of it, right because if

873
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: it's if it's Fields, you're not going to run the

874
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 3: same offense that you know that you started out with

875
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 3: last year.

876
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 2: You're just not no, right, right, You're gonna build everything

877
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: around him. Yeah, if you sign him today, it's time

878
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: to draft appropriately free agent appropriate. You know, take Arthur

879
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: Smith's playbook and add this chapter, throw this chapter away,

880
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: you know, that type of thing, because he's that's the

881
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: way you're gonna play football now. You know, in an

882
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: Eagles like manner, I would think.

883
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 3: One thing that that to me, I look at as well.

884
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 3: You know, if you look at George Pickens production between

885
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: the two quarterbacks, it's very different. It's drastically drastically different.

886
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 3: You know, you know, you can we can talk all

887
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 3: day long about whether, okay, are they going to move

888
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: on from George Pickens or not?

889
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 2: Right, but he's your best receiver, right he's your.

890
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 3: Best receiver right now. Well, you know you're looking at games.

891
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 3: He had two catches for twenty nine yards against against

892
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 3: the Denver Broncos.

893
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 2: You know, the Chargers it was five for fifty seven.

894
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: He had three for twenty six against the Cowboys, three

895
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 2: for fifty three against the Raiders. There's not that fifty

896
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: yard or on top of that, you know that you

897
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: saw a lot with Wilson. Now he did have he

898
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: had said one real stinker. Again, he had.

899
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 3: Seven for thirteen against Indianapolis. But you were behind in

900
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 3: that game, and you know you had to throw for

901
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 3: three hundred yards, whereas you know, you look at the

902
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 3: production with Wilson, it was a lot more.

903
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Steady, he had won real down game, but he

904
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: was getting the ball more.

905
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 3: His one reel down game because came because he dropped

906
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: three passes in the exactly it was his if more

907
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: him than it was anything else that happened.

908
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I don't know that like Wilson looks for

909
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: him more. I mean I think he's still the first

910
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 2: read on a lot of passes. And I think about

911
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 2: these numbers. We need to never forget is they're one

912
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 2: of the run heaviest teams in the league too. I

913
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: mean they're passing. Sample size isn't too small. I'm not

914
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,959
Speaker 2: implying that, but it's smaller than a lot of teams.

915
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: They just don't have the attempts that many teams do.

916
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 2: You know.

917
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one thing. You know, I wonder if that

918
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 3: changes in twenty twenty five, or do they go more

919
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 3: run heavy.

920
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at it, they go Wilson,

921
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: I bet it changes. I mean in terms of percentage

922
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: goes up, Yeah, percentage, And I.

923
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 3: Think you know, if you get a second wide receiver

924
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 3: or second receiving option who is more of.

925
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: A threat that helps? Oh? Absolutely.

926
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: I mean how much attention was George Pickens getting for

927
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 3: much of the year.

928
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 2: Last year at a time? Right? Right? A ton? Too much? Yeah?

929
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 2: Too much, I think is the answer. Yeah.

930
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 3: And so you know, again it depends on what what

931
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 3: path do they want to take here?

932
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: Which which which story do they want to write?

933
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, in regards to this season, do they look at

934
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 3: this and go, well, you know, the Eagles had more

935
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 3: rushing yards this season than passing yards.

936
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is rare, but it worked.

937
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 3: But it was very I mean it was like thirty

938
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 3: eight hundred of both, you know, it was fifty to fifty.

939
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 3: But they ran though as an anomaly for today's which

940
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: also had Saquon Barkley, Yeah, and a quarterback who was

941
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 3: running the ball.

942
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: A ton, right, a ton? I mean, the best running

943
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 2: teams have really good running quarterbacks. Yeah. I don't know.

944
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: I mean, if we just operate under the assumption it's

945
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: going to come down to one of those two quarterbacks

946
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: the sooner you and I know, it'll be a heck

947
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 2: of a lot for our job to be. Like, Okay, now

948
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 2: we know the fits you know, I mean, what type

949
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: of receivers do they want? You know, how what their

950
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: run pass percent is probably going to look like? Or

951
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: are they going to ask out of their own line,

952
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. And them too, you know, I

953
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: mean again the combines right around the corner. They don't

954
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,919
Speaker 2: have to make decision on draft picks, and they're accumulating

955
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: all the data, but it would be helpful to know,

956
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, what style of offense are we

957
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: really going to dedicate ourselves to or we're going to

958
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 2: major in? Yeah, I mean yeah, I don't know now,

959
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: but sooner the better. And I look.

960
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 3: At you know, the production. They had some productive scoring

961
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,959
Speaker 3: games with Justin Fields. They did score thirty two points

962
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 3: against the Raiders.

963
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but.

964
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 3: They also lost a twenty seven to twenty four game

965
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 3: to the Colts.

966
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: The Colts, Yeah, that was certainly winnable.

967
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 3: They lost twenty to seventeen to Dallas, and everybody blamed

968
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 3: the defense because well they give up you know the

969
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 3: touchdown at the end. Well that was Dallas without Micah Parsons.

970
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: You gotta score more than seventeen points. And that DeMarcus

971
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 3: Lawrence in that game either.

972
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 2: Right, right, that looked like a very winnable game. I

973
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: mean looking back at both those losses, Colts and Dallas,

974
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: and that's how the league is. You're not going to

975
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: sweep everybody, you know, of course, I mean not the

976
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 2: favorites don't win every game. But you look at both

977
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: those games really kind of kicking yourself on those a

978
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 2: little bit. And I thought so even Monday on both

979
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 2: those games like they were really winnable, much more so

980
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 2: than Eagles Chiefs, you know, the down the stretch losses.

981
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 2: You know, they those were games the Steelers might have

982
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 2: been a better team in. Yeah, even on that day. Anyways,

983
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 2: let's get to another break.

984
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 3: That's going to do it for our number one of

985
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and

986
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 3: I will be back with our number two right after

987
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Speaker 3: this