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Speaker 2: I think you'll like the pod tonight because I think
Speaker 2: middle cooff and I dig really deep on the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: But I thought the Rams Lions game, I felt it
Speaker 2: was going to be a very, very close game. I
Speaker 2: had the Rams winning by I think one really elevated
Speaker 2: quarterback play. First of all, Matt Stafford's insane. Puka nakoua
Speaker 2: for a rookie is insane. I mean you are watching
Speaker 2: Matt Stafford is making throws out there that maybe only
Speaker 2: mahomes can do. This is a rebuilding year for Sean
Speaker 2: mcvah and the Rams and Stafford playing with guts, his
Speaker 2: hands all ripped up. What an athlete that guy is.
Speaker 2: It's just, you know, the difference in the game was
Speaker 2: pretty simple. The Lions had three long drives and got
Speaker 2: touchdowns out of him, and in the second half. It
Speaker 2: was the Rams having long drives and just getting field
Speaker 2: goals out of them, and that's the difference in the game.
Speaker 2: I thought Detroit, you know, Rams pretty poor tackling first half,
Speaker 2: and you know the lines physical upfront, O line punishing
Speaker 2: running backs hard to tackle, kind of pushed the Rams around.
Speaker 2: They made adjustments at half, which Sean McVay is prone
Speaker 2: to do, and they slowed Golf down. Golf was just
Speaker 2: too comfortable in the first half. And when Jared Goff
Speaker 2: is comfortable, you know, he's just a really, really good quarterback.
Speaker 2: I've seen Jared Goff comfortable, Jared Goff outdual Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 2: on a Monday night football game. He throws a beautiful football,
Speaker 2: but if you pressure him, he's not the same quarterback.
Speaker 2: So he didn't face any pressure in the first half.
Speaker 2: Long seventy five yard drive after seventy five yard drive,
Speaker 2: and you're getting you're getting touchdowns. In the second half,
Speaker 2: they got some pressure on him, he was less effective
Speaker 2: and Stafford put on a clinic. I mean it was
Speaker 2: to too. It was uh pooka Cooper cup. It didn't matter.
Speaker 2: Everything worked. It was beautiful to watch. I just thought
Speaker 2: you watched a really good football game. And if you
Speaker 2: go look at this weekend, here's what we saw this weekend.
Speaker 3: C J.
Speaker 2: Stroud elevated quarterback play, Stafford Golf elevated quarterback play. Mahomes
Speaker 2: elevated quarterback play in terrible weather. That's the sport. Tua
Speaker 2: disappointing Flacco too many picks. I mean, Stafford played like
Speaker 2: a winning quarterback. But you know, the Lions got the
Speaker 2: w at home, and you know, listen, I'm you know.
Speaker 2: The thing about all these games is the league is
Speaker 2: different in the postseason, right It's more intense, and players
Speaker 2: will tell you that every time I talk to a player,
Speaker 2: it's it's much more intense than the playoffs. But it
Speaker 2: really does come down regular season in postseason, do you
Speaker 2: trust your coach and do you trust your quarterback? And
Speaker 2: I thought the Lions rams that is about as good
Speaker 2: a playoff game as you're going to get to culture
Speaker 2: as head head coaches, and Stafford and Golf are, especially
Speaker 2: when they have time, are really really elite throwers of
Speaker 2: the football. I thought that was so much fun to watch.
Speaker 2: And I'm very happy. My wife's from Michigan, so I'm
Speaker 2: very happy for Detroit I think that the architect of
Speaker 2: this Lion's renaissance is not Dan Campbell always been effective,
Speaker 2: and it's not Jared goff although I like him. I
Speaker 2: think it's Brad Holmes, the executive upstairs they got from
Speaker 2: the Rams. I think they've had back to back to
Speaker 2: back great drafts. Remember Dan Campbell's first year and a half,
Speaker 2: Go back and look at the record. It wasn't very good.
Speaker 2: They have done just a remarkable job of fixing that
Speaker 2: offensive line via the draft, upgrading tight end, wide receiver,
Speaker 2: pass rushers. Detroit's got this convergence of excellent GM, really
Speaker 2: strong quarterback play, a culture setting head coach, and you
Speaker 2: jam it all together. Listen, Defensively, they can give up
Speaker 2: some big plays. They're not great on the back end.
Speaker 2: But we have a salary cap era and you're paying
Speaker 2: golf some real money. So you're not gonna have a
Speaker 2: perfect roster. You know, you're not gonna have the Niners.
Speaker 2: When you're paying Brock pretty nothing, you can retain all
Speaker 2: your stars. You know, Detroit's gonna pay Jared goffin, So
Speaker 2: when you're paying him, and his contract's up after next year,
Speaker 2: so it's gonna get bigger. If you retain him. So
Speaker 2: there's just gonna be some limitations to a team when
Speaker 2: you pay your quarterback a lot. The Rams they pay Stafford.
Speaker 2: That defense on the back end is okay, right, And
Speaker 2: so Kansas City they pay Mahomes. Now they're receiving core
Speaker 2: for the Chiefs, Rice Travis Kelcey and a bunch of guys.
Speaker 2: So San Francisco is a really stacked roster in the NFC.
Speaker 2: But I think the Lions match up pretty well with it.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: I think the offensive line for Detroit matches up pretty
Speaker 2: well with everybody. And you know, we've talked about this before.
Speaker 2: Even Mahomes got hu million in the Super Bowl when
Speaker 2: he didn't have his tackles. When the Lions are blocking
Speaker 2: for Jared Goff and they have really twitchy, hard running, elusive,
Speaker 2: tackle breaking running backs, if Laporte is healthy, you know,
Speaker 2: Detroit's offense could be a Super Bowl winning offense. The
Speaker 2: defense I worry about a little bit, but I still
Speaker 2: don't think they have the greatest ownership in the league.
Speaker 2: But so much of success in professional sports, so much
Speaker 2: of it is upstairs, and you know, we just don't
Speaker 2: pay attention to general managers. We don't pay attention to
Speaker 2: scouting departments. But god, Detroit's done a good job via
Speaker 2: the draft. They really done a good job. They you know,
Speaker 2: they're not paying a lot of their best players. They're
Speaker 2: not paying them anything yet, and they're like Pro Bowl
Speaker 2: level guys and they're not paying them. So that's upstairs
Speaker 2: and I'm excited.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: I think if you're the Rams, you have to pat
Speaker 2: yourself in the back. I mean, you're limp and pookas
Speaker 2: banged up. Kyron Williams is banged up. I don't think
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup's been healthy most of the year. Aaron Donald's
Speaker 2: getting triple team. They have to go get an edge
Speaker 2: rusher and free agency, got a few holes to fill,
Speaker 2: but a really good job of the Rams to go
Speaker 2: on the road a very formidable opponent and took him
Speaker 2: to the very edge. And I think this is this
Speaker 2: feels like a special year for Detroit and I couldn't
Speaker 2: be happier for him. Jared Goff was blamed for everything
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, and you know, people, and I think
Speaker 2: everybody in LA because Stafford comes out they won a
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. It's easy to dump on Jared. Jared's are
Speaker 2: really effective. He's Matt Ryan with a better arm. He
Speaker 2: throws a beautiful football. He's a good kid. He was
Speaker 2: a number one pick for a reason, and he's a
Speaker 2: little bit of an underdog now, which is hard to
Speaker 2: be as a number one pick. I guess Baker Mayfield
Speaker 2: is a little bit of an underdog, is a number
Speaker 2: former number one pick. Goff has sort of an underdog
Speaker 2: feel to him. So it's perfect, right, Like it's perfect
Speaker 2: for Detroit. Dan Campbell had a job and you know,
Speaker 2: we kind of roll our eyes at Dan Campbell and
Speaker 2: Jared Goff. Rams got rid of him, and you know,
Speaker 2: the Lions history, that's a really powerful force when everybody's
Speaker 2: got a little chip on their shoulder and doesn't quite
Speaker 2: feel there as respected as they deserve to be.
Speaker 3: Hard to root against Detroit, hard to root against him.
Speaker 2: There was a call late in the game, no pass
Speaker 2: interference Pookah grabbed his jersey. That could have been the
Speaker 2: difference in the game. You get a first down there,
Speaker 2: you kick a field goal. I mean that that. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to spend a lot of time on it.
Speaker 2: That was a miscall, But you know what, the Rams
Speaker 2: have multiple opportunities and they settled for field goals. They
Speaker 2: couldn't score in the red zone, so officials don't decide games.
Speaker 2: There are infractions called and not called that can affect
Speaker 2: momentum and opportunities. But the Rams had theirs in the
Speaker 2: second half and they just could not get into the
Speaker 2: end zone. Lions did a good job. It was sort
Speaker 2: of a bend didn't break defense in the second half.
Speaker 2: They got just a good enough pass rush on Matt
Speaker 2: Stafford to hurry him, and again Matt put on a clinic. Jesus,
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, in a losing effort, I hope it's
Speaker 2: not lost. How good Matt Stafford is. I mean, some
Speaker 2: of those throws, some of that submarine stuff.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: That guy is fricking remarkably gifted. So Lions move on,
Speaker 2: Packers move on, Chiefs move on, Texans move on. And
Speaker 2: I like Philadelphia tomorrow, let's bring on John middlecoff.
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Speaker 2: All right, here we go, John Middlecoff, what a circus
Speaker 2: that was for Dallas. And you know, John, We've talked
Speaker 2: about this for years and years. I've never bought into Dallas.
Speaker 2: I always had this rule, the pretty good rule Romo
Speaker 2: DAC They'd be pretty good. And then there was about
Speaker 2: five week stretch this year that I bought into it,
Speaker 2: and then they went to Miami and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: it's the same old shit. And then I just I
Speaker 2: sat on the air. I was reeled in. I got fooled.
Speaker 2: But if you look in retrospect, now blown out by
Speaker 2: the Niners, blown out by Buffalo, pounded by Green Bay
Speaker 2: in the playoffs, lost to Miami, and beat Detroit on
Speaker 2: you know, a really dubious officiating moment. And in that game,
Speaker 2: Dak had two picks and ten completions, And so you
Speaker 2: look at it, and my takeaway is this was just
Speaker 2: an average team, right, like a slightly better than average team.
Speaker 1: Well to me, I'm with you. I bought into them.
Speaker 1: Their downfall now three straight years is the quarterback who
Speaker 1: makes a ton of money this year and all pro
Speaker 1: interceptions interceptions three years ago against the Niners at home
Speaker 1: through an awful pick and was not good in that
Speaker 1: game last year against the Niners in the playoffs. Two
Speaker 1: interceptions today? How many could he have thrown? Five? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there are some drops. Obviously, the pick six
Speaker 1: which the guy walked into the end zone was not
Speaker 1: some freaky play. And then the other thing, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: kind of hung their hat on was physicality, being a
Speaker 1: tough defense. What the hell was that? So if I
Speaker 1: tell you the Cowboys defense gonna no show and Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: I don't care what the final numbers look like. The
Speaker 1: game was over in the first half when he's throwing
Speaker 1: the ball to the other team and getting thoroughly outplayed
Speaker 1: by a first year starter. Just a horrendous effort by
Speaker 1: the defense at Dak Prescott. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, when you size up a player and Jordan
Speaker 2: Love and Dak on the same field, Jordan loves more talented,
Speaker 2: he moves better, He's got more of a whip. He
Speaker 2: made a side arm throw late in the game into
Speaker 2: the end zone to Romeo Dobbs. Dak can't do that.
Speaker 2: That's just beyond Dak. That was a Mahomes level throw,
Speaker 2: a Lamar Jackson's throw and reminded me of Lamar. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, Dak can't do that. Dak doesn't put
Speaker 2: a ton of velocity on the ball. He really has
Speaker 2: to step into it. He was never a natural threw.
Speaker 2: I mean, I joked out of college I thought he
Speaker 2: was a better version at T bow. He had all
Speaker 2: the intangibles, but he wasn't a beautiful thrower. And when
Speaker 2: I've used Kirk Cousins as a cump, he's Kirk Cousins
Speaker 2: with the Jordan brand, is that Kirk's a more accurate thrower.
Speaker 3: Dak's a better athlete.
Speaker 2: But we always feel with Kirk he's holding you back
Speaker 2: from a super Bowl. But we somehow feel that Dak
Speaker 2: is carrying you to one. And I watched today and
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, he's easily the second best quarterback on
Speaker 2: the field. That's particularly close.
Speaker 1: Well, the reason guys like Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins have to be so elite with their footwork because
Speaker 1: they can't afford to throw off their backfoot. The one
Speaker 1: reason why Aaron Rodgers always pushed back on some of that,
Speaker 1: like let me freelance, He'd get away with it. Brett Fahr,
Speaker 1: the big arm guys, right. You see it with Mahomes
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen. They're not beholden to the quarterback feet.
Speaker 1: You know, quote unquote rules that the coaches harp on
Speaker 1: because of their talent. And you saw today Jordan Love
Speaker 1: had countless throws off his back foot that hit guys
Speaker 1: in stride way down the field. Dak Prescott. If the
Speaker 1: timing's a little off, he's way off. And today, I
Speaker 1: mean he was terrible calling. I mean he was. This
Speaker 1: is three straight years of just absolute no shows in
Speaker 1: these playoff games. And I know in the one playoff
Speaker 1: game he had that was good was against Tampa Bay,
Speaker 1: who was clearly got awful and was you know, headed home.
Speaker 1: Should not have made the playoffs last year. So against
Speaker 1: the Packers, whose defense has been really bad, I mean
Speaker 1: the number one conversations like Matt Laflor's gotta fire his
Speaker 1: buddy Joe Barry. And then for them, I know they
Speaker 1: got the touchdown late in the game, but to only
Speaker 1: have ten, I mean they had seven. How does this happen?
Speaker 1: I understand obviously Mike's the offensive play callers, a combination
Speaker 1: of them both.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's it's one of those things where you know,
Speaker 2: and I want to talk about this because I think
Speaker 2: McCarthy's in real trouble. I had said I'd defended McCarthy
Speaker 2: most of the season, but I said he has to
Speaker 2: beat Green Bay. If he can't beat Green Bay, that's
Speaker 2: a different conversation. Well, to get absolutely dominated by Green
Speaker 2: Bay and Jordan Love now That's a different conversation from
Speaker 2: losing an old time game on a bad officiation. Now
Speaker 2: now we have a different conversation, and I think he
Speaker 2: gets replaced. I think and dan Quinn, by the way,
Speaker 2: there went his job market outside of Seattle. That was
Speaker 2: a dubious effort. So I mean, let's just talk about it.
Speaker 2: Does Jerry have to I mean, Jerry's gonna pay Dak.
Speaker 2: He loves Dak. He views Dak as some sort of
Speaker 2: elite quarterback and is willing to pay him. So let
Speaker 2: me ask you, how good of a job is it.
Speaker 2: If the starting point is owner loves the quarterback, thinks
Speaker 2: he should be paid among the top five, aren't you
Speaker 2: working uphill from that point forward?
Speaker 1: I think it's a pretty good job because I think
Speaker 1: the guys, I mean, immediately, obviously Belichick and their relationship
Speaker 1: has been you know, talked about a lot. I think
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh is gonna have to get a call. Those
Speaker 1: guys have the juice and the power to say, look,
Speaker 1: we're not doing this, We're not giving this guy fifty
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. You know, Mike had to lie
Speaker 1: to get the job. And the other thing that was
Speaker 1: unful display today Matt Laflor has the most important quality
Speaker 1: you can have in the NFL. He has the ability
Speaker 1: to develop and make a quarterback into a star. Right.
Speaker 1: I mean Dak was already pretty good when he got there. Right,
Speaker 1: Dak had had success before Mike McCarthy. And one thing
Speaker 1: he has done is shit the bed. Now in three
Speaker 1: consecutive playoff games, two of them have been at home.
Speaker 1: I think it's worse. Like you said last year, they
Speaker 1: lose the forty nine ers in a very tight game
Speaker 1: on the road. You hold your head high. It wasn't
Speaker 1: a bad loss. They have had two awful losses though
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, in this one at home, and
Speaker 1: that to me is unacceptable. I personally thought coming into
Speaker 1: the game, Mike McCarthy to keep his job was going
Speaker 1: to have to win both home games, right, because if
Speaker 1: you won this game, he'd have another home game. You
Speaker 1: can't be losing at home if you lose on the
Speaker 1: road in the NFC Championship game, where they hadn't been
Speaker 1: in twenty five years. Okay, but now I think all
Speaker 1: signs point to Belichick. And one thing's pretty clear is
Speaker 1: Belichick has his offensive coordinator available. We talk a lot
Speaker 1: about offensive and defensive coaches. Well, the reason to me
Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel and Bill Belichick. Obviously Bill's resume speaks for itself,
Speaker 1: but what makes him truly powerful. Rabel has Arthur Smith available,
Speaker 1: who he had a lot of success with. Belichick has
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels available, who he has all the success with,
Speaker 1: and they can allow those guys to coach the offense.
Speaker 1: So I think, to me, you could argue Mike Vrabel
Speaker 1: if the Belichick and Arthur Smith makes sense, as there
Speaker 1: was a toughness lacking.
Speaker 2: But again, I say, if Jerry believes Dak is it?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we have to have How.
Speaker 1: Could he believe that now, Colin, after what he just witnessed?
Speaker 1: How could he?
Speaker 2: Again, I have been on this for years. Dak is
Speaker 2: a good B plus quarterback. Jerry views him as an
Speaker 2: as it's really interesting, this job is fascinating. It's not
Speaker 2: that Jerry runs a turnstile. But I'd almost rather Jerry
Speaker 2: be impatient than delusional on quarterback evaluation. Sure like I'd
Speaker 2: rather a guy want me to get ratings in my job.
Speaker 2: I'm fine with a little pressure. What I'm not fine
Speaker 2: with is unrealistic expectations. Or forcing me to work with
Speaker 2: people aren't as good as you think. Dak's just not
Speaker 2: a top ten level guy, and Jerry thinks he's a
Speaker 2: top seven guy.
Speaker 1: I understood some of the support before, even though I
Speaker 1: never agreed even the contract they gave him. I didn't
Speaker 1: eve view him as a forty million dollar guy. But
Speaker 1: after today, to me, if he stands on that belief
Speaker 1: he's entered now Davis territory, Yes, yes, right to me,
Speaker 1: if he's able to pivot, which he's proven as a
Speaker 1: successful businessman over the years, and like you said, they
Speaker 1: do a pretty good job on personnel, there's a weird
Speaker 1: loyalty here. To me, he has to pivot off today's
Speaker 1: experience because he had a firsthand look. Jordan Love signed
Speaker 1: a two year, eleven million dollar contract, right, and he
Speaker 1: looks like a combination. I think that's one of the
Speaker 1: greatest development jobs we've ever seen.
Speaker 3: Well you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He looks like a flat out superstar, right, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: looked like Brett Favre meets Aaron Rodgerson.
Speaker 2: Like, listen, the internet loves, I mean, this is what
Speaker 2: they love. They forget that New Information New Opinion. Matt
Speaker 2: Lafleur was calling out Jordan Love in October press conferences,
Speaker 2: so was the GM.
Speaker 3: The GM and.
Speaker 2: The coach were disappointed with him. Have you ever seen
Speaker 2: an in season improvement for a quarterback? Not only is
Speaker 2: Jordan think about this, He's cheaper than Aaron Rodgers. He's
Speaker 2: now more athletic than Aaron Rodgers. He throws the ball
Speaker 2: a lot like Aaron Rodgers. You get no drama like
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. And generationally he is completely copasetic with all
Speaker 2: these receivers and tight ends. I mean, right now, Green
Speaker 2: Bay's young receiver tight end talent is the envy of
Speaker 2: virtually every team in the league. Like it's hard to
Speaker 2: wrap your brain around this. Based on what we saw
Speaker 2: in October, Jordan Love is a significant, multifaceted upgrade from
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. Right, that's not debatable.
Speaker 1: Now, well, I think that you become a legend in
Speaker 1: the business of football by making moves like Ted Thompson
Speaker 1: once made. Right, Brett far if you're gone, we're going
Speaker 1: with Aaron, Bill Walsh, we gotta pivot to Steve Young
Speaker 1: when you pivot off Aaron Rodgers, who had just previously
Speaker 1: won a couple MVPs, the coach and the GM are
Speaker 1: behind it. And then by the end of the season
Speaker 1: into the playoffs, he looks like this. And as a GM,
Speaker 1: you have put around the youngest offense in the league
Speaker 1: and these guys, I mean Watson didn't even really do
Speaker 1: anything read up until the end of the game, hadn't
Speaker 1: done it. It was Dobbs making all the plays and
Speaker 1: he's really good. Think of the talent they have. We
Speaker 1: know how well they build offensive lines. I think these
Speaker 1: guys have immediately entered like Ron Wolf, Ted Thompson. We
Speaker 1: have stars running our operation because I think it was
Speaker 1: okay to question it early in the season, not because
Speaker 1: they made the wrong move getting rid of Aaron. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: it's really hard to replace that. It was Rocky, and
Speaker 1: by the end of the season the guys that flat
Speaker 1: out superstar and so's the unit around him. So to me,
Speaker 1: it's Gudikins and Lafour Like, this is why your argument
Speaker 1: on hiring offensive coaches when you get the right one.
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan has owned the Cowboys the last two years
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Why because he's comfortable playing against dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: Matt Lafour was also on that staff. In Atlanta with
Speaker 1: Kyle he was the quarterback coach. He saw it. He
Speaker 1: wasn't uncomfortable going up against that defense and that coordinator
Speaker 1: and honestly embarrassed and worse than Kyle ever did the
Speaker 1: last two years. So to me, the stinks on Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1: The stinks clearly on Dan Quinn and all the positivity
Speaker 1: on the other side. It's hard if they were a stock.
Speaker 1: They feel like Tesla or something five years ago. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a team that you'd have to buy into
Speaker 1: because they've been so well run. This was always the
Speaker 1: pushback on Aaron Rodgers. Do you realize how well you
Speaker 1: have it in green Bay, how well run this operatity?
Speaker 1: I get there's no owner, and then you go to
Speaker 1: the Jets and this is the complete shit show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I said that before with Aaron. He
Speaker 2: never had a bad offensive line in fifteen years in
Speaker 2: Green Bay. The farv didn't have many. The one thing
Speaker 2: New England under Dante Scarnekia and Green Bay for fifteen
Speaker 2: years do a great job of drafting third, fourth, fifth,
Speaker 2: sixth round offensive lineman and developing them slowly into really
Speaker 2: good players. So, I mean Green Bay is just it,
Speaker 2: and it's something we've hit on. Eleven of the fourteen
Speaker 2: coaches in the playoffs are offensive coaches. Is now, you
Speaker 2: can as a defensive coach work if you have a
Speaker 2: star quarterback Sean McDermott, Demiko Ryans. You know it can
Speaker 2: work that way. But there is no question when to
Speaker 2: develop a young quarterback edge offensive coach, and if you
Speaker 2: have a disruption at quarterback, you're on a third or
Speaker 2: fourth Stefanski major advantage offensive coach. So you know, Mike
Speaker 2: Tomlin got into the playoffs mostly because Joe Burrow got
Speaker 2: hurt and Cleveland lost three quarterbacks. I think they'll be
Speaker 2: extinguished very quickly.
Speaker 3: But I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think any real I mean, I talked to
Speaker 2: a text to two gms today I'm on the phone
Speaker 2: with during the game texting, and they're saying the same
Speaker 2: thing is Jordan Love. Matt Lafleur deserves a lot of
Speaker 2: credit for Jordan Love. And you know the edit thing
Speaker 2: today that you noticed on that first drive when Aaron
Speaker 2: Jones is running like that downhill, and that's you know,
Speaker 2: Matt Lafleur when he came to Green Bay, it was
Speaker 2: I want to develop a run game that McCarthy had
Speaker 2: not developed a run game. I watched this Green Bay team.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're gonna be the San Francisco or
Speaker 2: a Rams. They're a lot to defend because Matt can
Speaker 2: run it, Jordan can go off script. Nobody's got two
Speaker 2: to three good corners. They this Green Bay offense, John
Speaker 2: creates a lot of matchup issues.
Speaker 1: One thing I wrote down immediately is the advantage at
Speaker 1: the running back position in this game was evident early. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean the gap between Aaron Jones and
Speaker 1: all the other guys they're running out. I mean, Paullard
Speaker 1: is a gadget player, and there's nothing wrong with that
Speaker 1: as long as you have a young Ezekiel Elliott in
Speaker 1: his prime right. And to me, when you had the
Speaker 1: running game like that and then all the explosive weapons,
Speaker 1: that's why guys were wide open all day long. The
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys had no clue what to do. But don't
Speaker 1: you think, you know, you talk a lot about and
Speaker 1: everyone does about Belichick being a historian. Can you imagine
Speaker 1: breaking the record as the Cowboys coach? I know the
Speaker 1: Eastern seaboard, he's comfortable. Atlanta's close to his new house
Speaker 1: and jup. But Jerry can offer a lot of money.
Speaker 1: Obviously Arthur Blank can't too. But there's the Cowboy coach
Speaker 1: Belichick little revenge after just getting forced out by Robert
Speaker 1: which he was clearly fired, right. I think all signs
Speaker 1: are gonna point to Built because you're the coach newsbreaker. Now.
Speaker 1: A lot of people I know expect Harbad to be
Speaker 1: with the Chargers. That's where a lot of people in
Speaker 1: the league think he's gonna go. So Belichick people have
Speaker 1: already been you know, they said that before the game
Speaker 1: Philly too. But now the Cowboys have a chance to
Speaker 1: have a head start because they can fire McCarthy first
Speaker 1: thing Monday morning, have Belichick on the horn and get
Speaker 1: the ball wrong here.
Speaker 2: There is certain things create clarity in life. Getting your
Speaker 2: ass kicked like that at home, for sure, it allows
Speaker 2: Jerry to go, wow, I can clean house, and it
Speaker 2: really does it. Also, Jerry has to look himself in
Speaker 2: the mirror and sit down with Steven tonight at the
Speaker 2: house at the ranch, and they have to sit down
Speaker 2: and go, we got to do a clean.
Speaker 1: Break here of everybody.
Speaker 2: Dan Mike, I don't know what they'll do with Dak
Speaker 2: he may defend Dak, but I can see this being
Speaker 2: actually beneficial to Dallas that Jerry Jones has to sit down,
Speaker 2: his scouts have to come to him and say, Jerry,
Speaker 2: we can have Dak, but you can't ban forty five
Speaker 2: to fifty million. He's already made twenty million a year
Speaker 2: in endorsements being the cowboy quarterback. We've got to start
Speaker 2: drafting quarterbacks here. And it also would it make Jerry.
Speaker 2: I mean again, when you're a billionaire, can't relate. Obviously,
Speaker 2: would Jerry acknowledge our ways not working like my way's
Speaker 2: not working and give up some control.
Speaker 1: I think it's easier after today, Like you said, I
Speaker 1: maybe they lose an overtime, Maybe you can justify it
Speaker 1: in your head, run it back, give him one more shot,
Speaker 1: but get embarrassed like that. Have a game be over
Speaker 1: at halftime. You know, this was obviously the number one
Speaker 1: pick in the in the wildcard round, right in terms
Speaker 1: of brands and television networks. I don't see how he's survived.
Speaker 1: I don't see how he's not out by the morning.
Speaker 1: To me, it's clearly over. And you have the opportunity,
Speaker 1: right sometimes like getting the number one draft pick, isn't ideal,
Speaker 1: because there's not if you need a quarterback. If it's
Speaker 1: not a great quarterback draft, there's an incredible head coaching
Speaker 1: opportunity with all these guys that have proven to be winners.
Speaker 1: And I do think the Belichick thing a little bit,
Speaker 1: like you know, almost a couple decades now with Bill Parcells,
Speaker 1: would just reinvigorate the fan base because they're gonna be
Speaker 1: down and there's gonna be a lot of negativity, and
Speaker 1: it's rightly deserved because the last three years they've been
Speaker 1: knocked out by Kyle Twiss and now Lafloor. So how
Speaker 1: are you beating those guys? And we know your guy's
Speaker 1: not as good as Sean McVay either. So it's like
Speaker 1: you got to deal with those in the AFC, you
Speaker 1: got to deal with the quarterbacks in the NFC, You
Speaker 1: got to deal with the star offensive coaches. All that
Speaker 1: came from Washington in twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: Listen to this, John coaches that had to move off
Speaker 2: town and quarterbacks, John Harbaugh, Flacco, he moved often for Lamar,
Speaker 2: been pretty beneficial, Andy Reid, Alex Smith was a Pro bowler, McVeigh, Goff,
Speaker 2: Shanahan Garoppolo watched multiple coaches, and these guys were getting
Speaker 2: to Super Bowls. I mean, Flacco six years removed from
Speaker 2: that can still sling it. And those coaches took big swings.
Speaker 2: They moved off popular playoff winning or super Bowl appearing
Speaker 2: quarterbacks for a Lamar for a Mahomes, for a Stafford,
Speaker 2: for a brock Purty, whoever it is, there is a
Speaker 2: recent history. Go back to Lamar Is when you take
Speaker 2: that big swing and go listen, we're just kind of stuck.
Speaker 2: I may have a slightly deteriorating product or a product
Speaker 2: with a ceiling. The teams that go for it, I mean, hey, Philadelphia,
Speaker 2: Carson Wentz, they moved off him. Jalen Hurts, I mean
Speaker 2: once that year he got hurt. He was leading in
Speaker 2: the MVP voting many So I mean there's and I think,
Speaker 2: by the way, Miami's gonna have this discussion. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think Miami and Dallas have to go. You gotta get
Speaker 2: over Pro Bowls really quickly. Those are bullshit awards that
Speaker 2: nobody buys into.
Speaker 1: I think a big thing too for Jerry Is. And
Speaker 1: this happen into Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll got fired in
Speaker 1: my opinion because they started looking around and going, he
Speaker 1: has no chance to beat McVeigh and Kyle Shanahan. Kyle
Speaker 1: beat him five straight times. McVeigh swept him this year.
Speaker 1: It wasn't even the macro to me, it was the micro.
Speaker 1: We're getting lapped in our own division. So to me,
Speaker 1: if you're Jerry, you go, well, I've known Adam Peters
Speaker 1: for fifteen years. I mean, look at his resume for
Speaker 1: a non GM it's pretty incredible. One super Bowls, multiple
Speaker 1: places now, helped John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan build that thing.
Speaker 1: I think Washington's gonna be well run, even the owner
Speaker 1: has proven to be a good NBA owner. Yeah, obviously
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles will not hesitate to pull the trigger
Speaker 1: if they have to pivot, right, So you have an
Speaker 1: owner that you know has doesn't I don't exactly know
Speaker 1: the wealth between Luriy and but he has enough money
Speaker 1: to do whatever he wants as well, and he will
Speaker 1: be aggressive. So to me, that has to inspire Jerry.
Speaker 1: Knowing they play tomorrow night, even if they win and
Speaker 1: then get knocked out next week, like, the Eagles have
Speaker 1: no problem pivoting. So I think when you just look
Speaker 1: at the short term view of your division. You go,
Speaker 1: we got to figure this out. And you also know
Speaker 1: that Arthur Blank some of these other big money guys
Speaker 1: are sniffing around the top coaches. Why not rip the
Speaker 1: band aid off. We already had a lot of question
Speaker 1: marks with McCarthy sometimes throughout the year. This is an
Speaker 1: ald timer. You just don't survive. They were seven and
Speaker 1: a half point favorite, and it was true. It was
Speaker 1: the right move. I mean, they should have been a
Speaker 1: heavy favorite coming into this game and to get beaten down,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not trying to be hyperbolic, but that feels
Speaker 1: like one of the more glaring games I remember watching
Speaker 1: in a long time. In the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Hey, listen, I wrote it down.
Speaker 2: Opening drive run pass effectively, look too easy. Couple dumb
Speaker 2: Dallas penalties, then pick gyre Alexander uh oh, Dallas in trouble.
Speaker 2: That's first quarter, second quarter stuff like that's it felt like,
Speaker 2: Oh we got we got big Brion. Dallas had two
Speaker 2: or three silly penalties early. You're like one in a punt.
Speaker 1: There's always been a problem for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, it's it's everything changes, you know,
Speaker 2: It's just one of those things. I thought McCarthy was
Speaker 2: in the clear if he beat Green Bay, even if
Speaker 2: he lost twenty eight twenty seven on bad officiating. It
Speaker 2: was a Detroit Dallas ending fiasco. When you're not prepared
Speaker 2: to play on either side. I mean, it's I'm trying
Speaker 2: to think of a but you know.
Speaker 1: What, it had Brandon Staley vibes today. I mean, their
Speaker 1: defense no clue what was going on. They were talking
Speaker 1: to CD Lamb early in the game. Hey, what what's
Speaker 1: going on? By the way, it was red flags everywhere.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a great point. I wrote that down in
Speaker 2: my notes too. Dak cd off, Kevin Burkhart mentioned that.
Speaker 2: Greg Olsen mentioned that, So there was something really weird
Speaker 2: about that. And my takeaway was it was CD was
Speaker 2: frustrated appropriately with Dak's ball placement, which by the way,
Speaker 2: was terrible early in this game, threw behind him on
Speaker 2: a corner route. So I think it was CD wasted
Speaker 2: with just basically Dack's ball placement.
Speaker 1: Well, that's another thing with Dak Prescott. When you look
Speaker 1: at the two quarterbacks right there. Jordan Love, who actually
Speaker 1: has been really accurate lately, can't afford to be a
Speaker 1: little inaccurate because he has such an explosive arm, and
Speaker 1: now with their wide receivers can make big plays. When
Speaker 1: you're Dak Prescott in that group of you know, I
Speaker 1: would say Cousins has been there for a long time,
Speaker 1: Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Manning, and you don't have a
Speaker 1: huge arm. Accuracy is what you have to hang your
Speaker 1: hat on. You have to be the most accurate guy
Speaker 1: on the field. So when you become like, how did
Speaker 1: Alex Smith resurrect his career? It wasn't throwing bombs. It
Speaker 1: was having seventy percent completion percentage. Well, Dak's slinging around
Speaker 1: like he's Jamis Winston, balls flying all over the place.
Speaker 1: You're like, you can't function. Even if their defense had
Speaker 1: played well today, they would have lost with that type
Speaker 1: performance out of the quarterback. And the other thing is,
Speaker 1: you cannot turn the ball over in the biggest games, right,
Speaker 1: You cannot pick six is kill you. And Dak just
Speaker 1: now remember last year at the end of the season,
Speaker 1: We're gonna spend some time in March, in May and
Speaker 1: April and go over all the picks. And what ended
Speaker 1: up being some of his downfall again throwing the ball
Speaker 1: to the other team It happened early in the season
Speaker 1: in the big hyped up game against the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers turnovers, and it was ultimately their undoing again in
Speaker 1: this game. And I just I can't get over Lafloor gudakins.
Speaker 1: The Packers what a muscle flex as an organization, they
Speaker 1: feel like the Miami Heat or something right now. It's
Speaker 1: incredible how they pivoted.
Speaker 3: All right, I want to talk ten minutes. I want
Speaker 3: to give Miami.
Speaker 2: Kansas City some discussion on this. Tua has proven in
Speaker 2: warm weather, with time to throw, he's a highly accurate thrower.
Speaker 2: But he has also proven that he's not very athletic.
Speaker 2: He's smaller than you'd like, he has an injury history,
Speaker 2: and unless the weather conditions are fairly ideal, he's limited.
Speaker 2: So unlike Dak, he is accurate, his ballplacement's excellent. That's
Speaker 2: not the case with Dak. He is a pretty thrower.
Speaker 2: He's a little bit of Drew Brees. So I don't
Speaker 2: think you move off him now, but I think it
Speaker 2: does limit your extension ideas. So we know Kansas City's better.
Speaker 2: Most of us thought they'd win. I thought I thought
Speaker 2: it was a shockingly bad effort. By Miami in the
Speaker 2: second half. Obviously, the Cowboy loss was surprising, but Miami's
Speaker 2: offensive effort in the second half was really dubious. I mean,
Speaker 2: they were doing bubble screens late. They didn't want two
Speaker 2: or a throw, So that tells you the staff is
Speaker 2: worried about protecting him. The staff is worried about his
Speaker 2: physical viability and games like that. What do you do
Speaker 2: with Tua? You're a former NFL scout, you have sources
Speaker 2: throughout the league. What do you do with them going forward?
Speaker 1: I think they're in the worst spot you can be
Speaker 1: in football because they're all most stuck. But I almost
Speaker 1: think you have to pivot because this was his fourth year.
Speaker 1: So all the guys in his draft class, Herbert Burrow
Speaker 1: were paid after their third year. Right, because after your
Speaker 1: fourth year you get the fifth year option, which for
Speaker 1: quarterbacks is essentially a franchise tag one point zero and
Speaker 1: then the real one comes. It's all guaranteed on the cap.
Speaker 1: So ideally you want to extend the guy, but there aren't.
Speaker 1: You know, this isn't the NBA. You don't give out
Speaker 1: a mid level exception to a quarterback, right, you either
Speaker 1: pay him the premium, which is well over forty million
Speaker 1: dollars a year and hundreds of millions of dollars, which
Speaker 1: in what world in the AFC could you pay to
Speaker 1: a let's even just say one hundred and fifty million
Speaker 1: dollars guaranteed when the only way to compete in the
Speaker 1: playoffs is go on the road against Mahomes who clearly
Speaker 1: was in a different universe, Lamar Jackson who plays in
Speaker 1: fridgid conditions, Joe Burrow, who, while he doesn't have the
Speaker 1: big arm, has proven he excels in the cold Ohio kid,
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen, who's been kicking your ass thrives in
Speaker 1: the cold. Like that's who you have to go through
Speaker 1: in that conference in cold conditions. And if Denver ever
Speaker 1: figures out also a cold place, So unless you're the
Speaker 1: number one seed, which they're not even remotely close to be.
Speaker 1: Like to me, sixteen to seven at halftime, that was
Speaker 1: not a normal sixteen to seven, like in a dolt,
Speaker 1: because it was so cold it was gonna be hard
Speaker 1: to sa That score might as well have been twenty
Speaker 1: eight to three. To me, the game was over at halftime.
Speaker 1: They threw one lollipop touchdown that Tyreek Hill had to
Speaker 1: come back toward and then ran around three guys. They
Speaker 1: didn't do anything else. So like listen, he's a solid player.
Speaker 1: And if he plays in a dome or in Miami,
Speaker 1: but that's not the AFC, because the AFC Playoffs is
Speaker 1: at Buffalo, is at Kansas City. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: Buffalo is like an avalanche right now, Kansas City. There's
Speaker 1: the coldest game one of them in NFL history. And
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes do you know what made him so remarkable?
Speaker 1: I don't even know what his box score was. He
Speaker 1: just played completely normal, like they were throwing that on
Speaker 1: my field. He just like played a normal Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: game with Tua. He can't even function in that, which
Speaker 1: I understand. You've lived in the Northeast. I've lived in
Speaker 1: the Northeast. It's really cold and when you're not used
Speaker 1: to it, it really throws you off. And they say
Speaker 1: it takes like three months to get acclimated. There's no
Speaker 1: way you get acclimated in twenty four hours. And he physically,
Speaker 1: when you have a weak arm, like it from a
Speaker 1: scouting perspective, it's very hard to pierce through the wind
Speaker 1: and the cold slows down the ball, so Mahomes and Allen.
Speaker 1: The reason these guys can thrive. It look at Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning back in his heyday. He struggled on the road
Speaker 1: in cold weather conditions, and he's remarkably better a couple
Speaker 1: of years into his career than to us. So I
Speaker 1: couldn't pay him. I couldn't do it, but I think
Speaker 1: we know how this. They'll just played on the fifth
Speaker 1: year option. If you extend him, you're basically just acknowledging
Speaker 1: we'll try to compete to win ten plus games and
Speaker 1: then losing the playoffs. You're not going to win the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Ethan Strauss was talking about this on a podcast where
Speaker 2: he said, if you're somebody that struggles in cold weather,
Speaker 2: you want to be in the NFC, But in the
Speaker 2: AFC it's I mean even in your own division. Just
Speaker 2: think about December January games Buffalo, New England, New York, Baltimore, Cincinnatiitsburgh, Cleveland.
Speaker 2: I mean it's like and you know, and then again
Speaker 2: Denver in Kansas City. So it's just one of those
Speaker 2: things where again, if you played in the SEC, you're
Speaker 2: hidden for or the PAC twelve, you're.
Speaker 1: You know thrived. You know he's from Hawaii, went to
Speaker 1: Alabama and he's now in Miami. He's lived an incredible
Speaker 1: warm climate life. And Ethan was right. San Francisco number
Speaker 1: one seed, what's the game gonna be there next year?
Speaker 1: Next week? Sixty two degrees, Dallas number two seed, Dome,
Speaker 1: Detroit Dome, Tampa, warm weather place. Philly is one place
Speaker 1: where it get kind of cold, but it's not that cold.
Speaker 1: I mean Kansas City. That's stretching the Midwest to me.
Speaker 1: Kansas City, Chicago is Green Bay is as cold as
Speaker 1: it gets. And that's why I feel pretty good. If
Speaker 1: I was green Back, I got another strong armed quarterback.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be able to play in that fridge condition.
Speaker 1: If we ever get a home games moved.
Speaker 2: By the way, let's touch on Kansas City. So Brett
Speaker 2: Veach is one of the sharper gms in the league.
Speaker 3: Andy Reid.
Speaker 2: I think there's a functionality and an intelligence from the
Speaker 2: Hunt family. Beach, Andy Mahomes. They have a really good
Speaker 2: scouting department. Obviously you can see what their late round
Speaker 2: picks is. I think they're a great example like Green Bay.
Speaker 2: Hey we got a flaw. We're not good at receiver.
Speaker 2: Let's just develop it. So Rashi Rice feels like to me, now,
Speaker 2: he's not a top five one, but he's a number
Speaker 2: one receiver, Thick Good after the cash, not a high
Speaker 2: end one, not even a CD Lamb yet, but he's
Speaker 2: a low end one. Travis Kelcey, and then they have
Speaker 2: a bunch of threes. They don't really have a two's
Speaker 2: it's Watson, it's it's you know, it's guys that you
Speaker 2: wouldn't trust as a two, but their threes, so they
Speaker 2: have a whole. They're just not great at wide receiver.
Speaker 2: But as I watched them yesterday and their run game,
Speaker 2: as they pivot to the second stage of their dynasty,
Speaker 2: they're going to be more run centric and they're going
Speaker 2: to be more defensive centric, at least for another draft.
Speaker 2: I think there's three teams right now in the AFC, Buffalo, Baltimore,
Speaker 2: and Kansas City. They feel like they're they're a bit
Speaker 2: above the freight. Agree and my takeaway is I think
Speaker 2: Buffalo right now and Baltimore are better. But boy, there
Speaker 2: is something to be said about have the bag have
Speaker 2: the ring? Do you give Kansas City an outside shot
Speaker 2: to win the AFC or do you feel like it's
Speaker 2: just that receiving weakness. They can't play quite from behind.
Speaker 1: I don't give them an outside shot. I give them
Speaker 1: a real shot because the playoffs is not It doesn't
Speaker 1: usually look like Green Bay in Dallas, right, It's usually
Speaker 1: a pretty ugly game, especially in that conference, like we
Speaker 1: talked about, because the weather is such a factor. It's
Speaker 1: like a different sport. That game in Kansas City has
Speaker 1: nothing in common in what we just witnessed in a
Speaker 1: controlled environment in Dallas. Nothing. I mean it's negative five degrees.
Speaker 1: They know how to win. I mean they have, you know,
Speaker 1: championship metal, championship culture. Obviously, they have championship quarterback and coach,
Speaker 1: the two most important guys in the building. All their
Speaker 1: defensive guys, the young ones were part of the team
Speaker 1: last year. Offensively, Pachaco Kelsey played huge roles last year.
Speaker 1: So now you just got to integrate the young player
Speaker 1: who shined last night, and they're used to playing in
Speaker 1: the weather. So next week in Buffalo, assuming Buffalo wins,
Speaker 1: which I think we all do, probably freezing cold. Well,
Speaker 1: who is not going to be faced by that? He
Speaker 1: saw two a walking into the game last night. It
Speaker 1: looked like he was going to on an Aspen vacation.
Speaker 1: Mahome showed up in a windbreaker, right, they're just Mahomes
Speaker 1: wasn't wearing sleeves. I know he's lived there for how
Speaker 1: long now six plus years. He's used to it. Andy's
Speaker 1: you know, the mustache is frozen. And he's been coaching
Speaker 1: in these games for twenty five years. And before that
Speaker 1: he was in Green Bay with Farv and Holmgren. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're comfortable in that environment. It all gets back to
Speaker 1: their competitive culture starting in training camp. They're still one
Speaker 1: of the last teams that practices hard and that's where
Speaker 1: it shows. And listen, we can nitpick and I know
Speaker 1: a lot of people do with Sean McDermott, but he's
Speaker 1: a defensive tough guy. John harbaught defensive tough guy. The
Speaker 1: one problem for Miami is their head coach is an
Speaker 1: offensive guy. Now they added to Fangio. To me, it
Speaker 1: was they had a lot of injuries, but like last night,
Speaker 1: to me was a toughness clinic, because everyone in the
Speaker 1: NFL is tough, right, just like any marine going to
Speaker 1: the Navy Seals is going to be a tough guy.
Speaker 1: But there's a reason most guys don't make it and
Speaker 1: there's a big difference between when the toughest teams and
Speaker 1: that next tier. And you saw it last night. It
Speaker 1: wasn't I didn't even think the game was close, even
Speaker 1: sixteen to seven. I'm like, Miami has no shot to
Speaker 1: win this game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Miami's tackling was really poor.
Speaker 1: They look cold, They look cold. And I'll never forget
Speaker 1: when I got hired in Philly and it got to
Speaker 1: like November and December on the sideline pregame. You have
Speaker 1: so much respect for playing in these games. And that's
Speaker 1: I'm talking like twenty degrees where you can't feel your hands.
Speaker 1: It's really cold once you get to those level temperatures.
Speaker 1: Remember the Seattle Minnesota game years ago outside when Cam
Speaker 1: Chanceller claimed he had frostbited on his foot, like two
Speaker 1: weeks later. The level of mental toughness and focus on
Speaker 1: top of the talent, it's really hard to focus. And
Speaker 1: to me, you just saw a Kansas City like they
Speaker 1: dropped a couple of big plays because they're wide receivers.
Speaker 1: Maybe the win threw them off. They were open, you know,
Speaker 1: and Mahomes the ball wasn't even that far off. That
Speaker 1: game could have been honestly, like forty to seven couldn't have.
Speaker 2: Been Yeah, I thought, I mean, I really was. I
Speaker 2: felt like Dallas has lost today. A lot of it
Speaker 2: was Jordan Love and they're just I'd said it on Friday.
Speaker 2: I thought I took green Bay to cover. I said, listen, Dallas,
Speaker 2: nobody has three good corners in the NFL. I just
Speaker 2: think green Bay has too many good people. And so
Speaker 2: some of that loss was Jordan Love looked like Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2: Not that Miami quit. But I thought it was one
Speaker 2: of the more discouraging efforts, like the team was literally
Speaker 2: protecting to I mean, Mike McCarthy wasn't protecting DAK today
Speaker 2: DAK is limited, but I thought that was one of
Speaker 2: those where a flyback. I'm the owner and I'm like,
Speaker 2: what do I have here?
Speaker 1: You can you agree under no circumstances You've given that
Speaker 1: two hundred twenty contract.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always been I'm just listen. I have a theory.
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't matter what business it is. You
Speaker 2: can pay big money, but you have to do it
Speaker 2: infrequently and you really have to be sure it's right.
Speaker 2: It's got to be really glue people or stars. And
Speaker 2: I think I don't blame the defensive effort because they
Speaker 2: were missing six starters, but that offensive effort in the
Speaker 2: second half. If I'm an owner, I'm like, Oh, my
Speaker 2: coach doesn't trust my quarterback. The hell I ain't gonna
Speaker 2: pay him. I'm writ in the checks. There's no way
Speaker 2: I'm paying him. So I think what you do if
Speaker 2: you're in Miami, you don't cut to what you do
Speaker 2: is you let him play out next year and you
Speaker 2: just you draft another quarterback, maybe first, second, third. I
Speaker 2: think they have a lot of pieces.
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 2: I think they can score a lot of points. I
Speaker 2: don't think they're a super Bowl team, but I don't
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of needs. The offensive line needs
Speaker 2: some attention. They've got receivers, corners, they have edge rushers.
Speaker 2: They just all got hurt. So I don't feel like,
Speaker 2: you know, I kind of feel like it's Denver. If
Speaker 2: they could get the quarterback right, Miami gets a star quarterback,
Speaker 2: you win a lot of games with those two offensive coaches.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have definitely had the infrastructure with the coaches too,
Speaker 1: because defensively they're def with Vic fangiol It's gonna get
Speaker 1: better as they get better players. It was on full
Speaker 1: display these first three games. Right, C. J. Stroud was
Speaker 1: in a different world than Joe Flack, whose Disney movie
Speaker 1: came to a crashing halt. Then and obviously Mahomes vers
Speaker 1: Tua and then today Love Versetak. It really really matters,
Speaker 1: you know, And it's why the forty nine ers can
Speaker 1: manipulate it a little bit because their roster is so good.
Speaker 1: It would have been hard for Brock Perdy in that
Speaker 1: situation on the road in Kansas City, right when you
Speaker 1: don't have a great arm. But what their team is
Speaker 1: so good. So when your team's a little flawed and
Speaker 1: your quarterback is not elite, you can get exposed really
Speaker 1: quick if your team's a little off. And Cowboys the Browns,
Speaker 1: I mean, the Browns have had an incredible season, but
Speaker 1: that was the Joe Flacco that we have seen the
Speaker 1: last five or six years. And the moment you get
Speaker 1: that type effort, you go home. All right.
Speaker 2: Well, you could join me later for the Lions Detroit,
Speaker 2: but I don't want to get in away your Tito's night.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna poor one right now and watch the Lion DRAMs.
Speaker 1: I can't even how about how about your guy Jed
Speaker 1: Fish taking the Washington job. Well, you nailed the Dubar story.
Speaker 1: We got Adam Schefter here.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that one. I was told Wednesday that he
Speaker 2: wa was. People think he was the second, third, or
Speaker 2: fourth choice. He wasn't because Sabin almost hired the OC
Speaker 2: from Washington the previous year. So Saban had his eye
Speaker 2: and Greg Byrne had their eye on Kaalen de Bor.
Speaker 2: He was They called Sark on that. You know, it
Speaker 2: was out of respect for Sark, but they knew Sark
Speaker 2: wasn't coming Sark. Sark loves Texas. Austin's a better place
Speaker 2: to live than Tuscaloosa. Sarks got it rolling. The boosters
Speaker 2: love him, so perfunctory call. But Kaylin de Bor was
Speaker 2: like their first legitimate guy, so this idea he was second.
Speaker 2: I was told Wednesday, like they're going after Kaylen de
Speaker 2: boor Jedfish was interesting. Lance Leopold at Kansas was they
Speaker 2: were really interested. Apparently had I think a phoner or
Speaker 2: a zoom and blew everybody socks off, but Jedfish and
Speaker 2: Lance Leopold, and then it came down to Jed.
Speaker 3: Jed.
Speaker 2: Now, Jed will be able to assemble an offensive unit
Speaker 2: very quickly. And that's a big part of it. Washington
Speaker 2: has lost most of their offense transfer portal. They only
Speaker 2: you know, they've got a decent nil collective, but not huge,
Speaker 2: so Jed Fish can keep them afloat very quickly. I mean,
Speaker 2: I would say the offense for Arizona is better today
Speaker 2: than Washington, so he's gonna have to rebuild it. But Washington,
Speaker 2: I think we both agree, is a better job. There's
Speaker 2: more money in the athletic department.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're going to the Big ten. I mean they's
Speaker 1: gonna get three or four teams every year in the
Speaker 1: twelve team playoff. The Big twelve is gonna get one. Yes,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be a one bit league. The other thing
Speaker 1: is Jed the guys he has, you know, he was
Speaker 1: gonna have a top fifteen team coming back. Those guys
Speaker 1: can transfer if they want to go join him, so
Speaker 1: some of his talent can fall in there. To me,
Speaker 1: how about Alabama. They tried to get Ryan Grubb last
Speaker 1: year to be sabans OC. Now they get Ryan Grubb
Speaker 1: and Do Born with saban retiring, So what a what
Speaker 1: a coup for Alabama?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: The cultural fit my theory has often been where you're
Speaker 1: from really matters. Yeah, you know, Kirby, Jimbo Dabbo. Think
Speaker 1: the guys that you know knicks from West Virginia, the
Speaker 1: northeast guys, obviously the West coast guys, but there are outliers.
Speaker 1: As someone in the league told me, winners win, and
Speaker 1: Urban was a good example, he'll win no matter what.
Speaker 1: And Duboor might be that and his resume would say
Speaker 1: he's gonna win no matter where he's coaching. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think I think he'll win. And he's not a
Speaker 1: great recruiter, and so I think he feels like the
Speaker 1: South and the brand Washington's hard to recruit to. There's
Speaker 1: not a lot of players Oregon, Idaho, Washington, Montana, Alaska,
Speaker 1: there's not There's maybe eight high end Division one players
Speaker 1: and all those states combined. So I think the feeling
Speaker 1: is Debora is like this brand sells. The state's got
Speaker 1: thirty Division one players, the region has two hundred and
Speaker 1: so and because Debraster loaded, so I think Debor looks
Speaker 1: at this and thinks it's just an easier place to recruit.
Speaker 1: And by the way, with the nil transfer portal, recruiting
Speaker 1: is now at paying the butt. It's more difficult than ever,
Speaker 1: So Alabama is one of those four or five jobs.
Speaker 1: Even bad USC and Texas teams usually have players. Oklahoma
Speaker 1: always has, Ohio State always has players. All right, good stuff,
Speaker 1: John As always money. Okay, see the volume