WEBVTT - TURNOUT Episode 6: ‘There’s going to be some soul searching in both parties’ 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:03.440 My name is Hannah. I'm Dan Ben, and we are 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:06.320 group Love. If you're dealing with stress or anxiety, or 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:08.800 just need some help, cal Hope is here for all 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:12.080 Californians with free mental health resources to help you navigate 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:14.800 this uncertain time. Go to cal Hope dot org to 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:17.320 live chat with one of their incredible listeners, or call 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:21.480 their warm line at one three three three one seven Hope. 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:26.600 That's one three three three one seven h O p E. 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:33.120 Hope lives here in California. I'm J Calburn, host of 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.360 deep Cover. Our new season is about a lawyer who 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:40.280 helped the mob run Chicago. 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I'm calling you 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:03.080 from Connecticut, Virginia, Chicago, Illinois, and Santie, Ohio. You turned 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:08.639 out in record numbers Dale, North Carolina, Michigan, Denver, Colorado, Rooklyn. 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.400 When all is said and done, is projected to have 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.959 the highest voter turnout rate in more than a century. 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:20.400 A game mail from Kentucky. I have some special health needs. 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:22.880 I'm blind. To live in the battleground state. I live 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.959 in the suburb. I have voted both parties in the past. 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:31.400 My husband and I we voted. It was great to 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.280 hear from so many of you this week who called 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:37.160 in to share your voting stories. This really is a 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:41.360 moment in history that will be talking about and analyzing 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.800 for years to come. I'm nineteen years old and this 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.480 is my first time voting in a presidential election. With 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:49.960 COVID rates on the rise, I decided to vote by mail. 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:53.480 We voted abstince T about two weeks ago and dropped 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.400 it off at our city clerks box. I have a 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:58.840 twenty year old son who rushed home from college to 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.720 get his ballot in the box. I voted early this year, 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:06.320 back in September three weeks ago, two weeks ago, so 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:10.320 I actually voted in person. In person on my birthday. 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.040 My man ballot actually got lost in the mail, but 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.480 after runing to my local election office, I was able 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.720 to do a limited voting and there was no wait. 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:22.520 We were in and out within under ten minutes, simple, easy, breezy. 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:26.760 Uh five minutes, but the line was moving smoothly. Had 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.200 to wait in line for forty five minutes, about two hours. 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:30.800 I was just glad I was able to vote early 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:32.600 and get it out of the way. I wore my 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:35.880 Ruth Fatikins for a T shirt. It was an excellent experience. 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.600 Kudos to the arena and the NBA for making it happen. 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:42.960 As a member of a marginalized community, it was just 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:46.280 good to like have my vote count and my voice heard. 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.040 As cliche as it sounds, there's a lot of places 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.400 in my life where you know, um, I don't always 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.560 feel that way. I was able to check online tracked electronically, 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:57.520 so I know that my local Board of Elections has 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.840 already received my ballot. But I received a text message 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:02.800 from the Register of Voters the very next day confirming 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.040 that they were inter seat of my ballot. I'm good 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:07.400 to go and that it will be counted. It felt 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:09.280 so so great to finally be able to vote, and 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:13.240 especially in such a critical effection. I'm Katie Curic and 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:17.320 this is Turnout. It's Friday, November six and today on 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.960 the podcast a conversation I just had over Instagram Live 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:24.920 with Brian Goldsmith. Now, Brian, many of you know, is 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:26.760 a really good friend of mine. We used to do 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:30.599 a podcast together. He worked with me at CBS, later 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:35.239 at Yahoo. He helped me enormously prepare for my Sarah 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:40.160 Palin interview my infamous or famous interview, depending on your perspective. 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.400 And he's my go to guy whenever I have a 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:48.040 question about national politics. In fact, I tease him because 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.080 he was grounded in high school for sneaking out of 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:55.000 his room to watch c SPAN. Yeah, he's that big 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:58.480 of a political nerd. So I thought it would be 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.680 really instructive and helpf for us to do a post 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:05.280 mortem on what happened this week. And since the news 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:09.320 is changing so fast and furiously, we wanted you to 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:13.840 know that we recorded this conversation at six pm Eastern 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:21.360 Time again on Friday. So enjoy. Let's talk about the election, Okay, 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.039 so just give us a quick update. It feels like like, 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:27.480 when are they going to call this thing? Um help us. 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:30.720 I don't know why they haven't called it. I mean 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:32.839 I think I know why, but it doesn't really make 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.480 sense because if your Fox or the A P and 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:41.600 you've already called Arizona, Um, Biden wins the presidency just 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:45.479 with Nevada. Nobody who's looked at the numbers thinks that 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.840 Nevada is going to flip back to Trump. So with 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:53.880 Nevada and Arizona Biden hits to seventy, you know that's it. 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:58.000 Game over, fat ladies, sung, et cetera. Okay, if you're 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:02.800 all the other networks you have, haven't called Arizona. Um, 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:08.000 take a look at Pennsylvania, where Biden's lead is pretty 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:12.760 substantial and is getting bigger, not smaller. Now, is there 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:20.120 like an insane scenario with provisional ballots um contradicting you know, 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:25.840 the historic patterns of previous provisional ballots, contradicting the counties 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:29.080 from which they came. Yes, I mean I also could 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.760 be struck by lightning right here, right now. That is 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:36.720 conceivably possible. But Biden is gonna win Pennsylvania. And once 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:41.120 you've accepted that, you know, you get over to seventy, 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:45.600 even under the count that ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:50.599 are keeping. And started to interrupt Bryant. But Arizona, it 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.120 seems I haven't really looked at it in the last hour. 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:57.359 I went to the grocery store instead. Arizona is it 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.720 seems like it's tightening up? Um, isn't it a little bit? 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:04.920 And I guess maybe in the event that Arizona gets 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.799 too close to call um That's why maybe the networks, 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.840 as you said, are waiting for Pennsylvania. So, but he 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.800 doesn't need Arizona. So even if you were to assume 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.960 he doesn't need Arizona, but what I'm saying is maybe 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.920 they're waiting for Pennsylvania, where he has a more sizeable lead, 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:26.400 since they didn't call Arizona and not that Arizona. I 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.640 don't know. Is Arizona a little up for grabs? I 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.720 don't think so. I mean, everybody serious who's looked at 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.200 this has said that, you know, Biden's lead may narrow 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.200 a bit. It's I mean, it's over one point now, 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:41.560 it's one point three, um, and it may shrink a 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.920 little bit. But I don't think anyone expects Trump to 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:50.000 overtake Biden in Arizona. But okay, so let's but then 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:52.880 even if you take even if you say Arizona is 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:57.040 too uncertain. And that's why NBCCBS, ABC, CNN have not 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:00.640 called Arizona, you don't you know, you go over here 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:05.160 to Pennsylvania and Biden's leader is about fourteen thousand votes 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:08.600 and growing, and then you know, okay, I'm gonna dip 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:10.360 down into that you know, where the rest of the 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:14.600 votes are Um, you know, you still have a bunch 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:18.400 of Philadelphia votes yet to count. Yes, you have some provisionals, 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:22.600 but they are not going to be strongly Republican enough 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:29.200 to overcome the eight twenty margin that Biden is getting 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:31.840 from a lot of votes out of Pennsylvania. I mean, 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:35.360 I think there's actually, you know, most people think that 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:38.720 Biden's margin in Pennsylvania is going to be significantly bigger 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.640 in the end than Trump's margin was in that state 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:45.760 four years ago when all the Republicans were proclaiming a landslide. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:50.400 You know, was this election a huge repudiation of Donald Trump? 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:54.000 When you see that the Republicans gained seats in the House. 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:57.520 When you see that they it looks right now with 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:02.559 a Georgia runoff expected to george to runoffs expected, uh, 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:07.679 that they're holding the Senate majority. But yet the president 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:12.040 uh wasn't able to pull it off. So was this 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:18.480 really about Donald Trump and Donald Trump only? Well, it 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:24.439 certainly was not a huge repudiation of Republicans. Um. Republicans 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:27.080 down ballot, you know, for the most part, seemed to 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:30.680 outperform the top of the ticket a little bit. UM. 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:34.640 Often you'll see the opposite um and In terms of 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:40.319 the presidential race itself, Uh, Trump performed pretty respectively. I mean, 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:46.440 he won Ohio, he won Florida, he won Florida pretty comfortably. UM, 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:52.240 he won uh North Carolina. Um. He kept it close 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:54.600 in a number of the other key battleground states. Now, 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:57.000 in terms of the popular vote, it's not going to 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:00.080 be that close. I think Biden's on track to in 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.800 the popular vote by five or six or even seven million. 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:07.000 I think it's gonna be a bigger popular vote margin 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:12.000 than Obama's over Romney in twelve. Um, But the electoral college, 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.480 which is where this has really fought and decided, was 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.080 was a bit closer. You know. I think Biden's on 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.880 track for three oh six, which is precisely the numbers 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:24.320 we've discussed that Trump got four years ago. So I 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.640 think there's gonna be some soul searching, frankly, in both 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:31.760 parties about you know, what they got right and what 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.040 they got wrong, and it's it's really a mixed bag 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:37.320 for both You're right, I mean, I think President Trump 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.400 did much better than a lot of people expected, and 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:44.559 I think it just underscored once again how divided this 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:50.720 country is that so many people still really felt more 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:55.080 comfortable with Donald Trump than Joe Biden for a host 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:59.480 of reasons. What primarily do you believe were the reasons, Brian, 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:04.320 I think it was primarily ideological. I think there were 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:08.520 a number of voters who were uncomfortable with Trump personally 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:12.679 and temperamentally. They had doubts about his capacity for the job, 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:17.480 but they were convinced, based on their own predispositions to 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:20.520 be kind of center or center right, that the Democrats 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:24.079 were a little too extreme, that Biden was a trojan 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:26.280 horse for the radical left. I mean, I worked in 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:28.920 Florida this cycle, and you know, we did seven or 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:34.360 eight focus groups with Trump voters who were considering voting 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:38.440 for Biden, and that argument resonated with them. They were 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:42.000 scared by what they saw, you know, that the media 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:46.960 was focusing heavily on Bernie and Warren and AOC. You know, 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.280 they had they had gone through this kind of summer 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:55.560 of racially charged protest, of riots, of um, you know, 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.600 defund the police, which is perhaps the worst political slogan 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:04.080 in a mirror in history, with the possible exception of socialists, UM. 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.600 And they heard both those things, you know, and I 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:11.160 thought it was striking Abigail Spanburger, who's a congresswoman from 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:18.199 your home state or home commonwealth. I should call it right. Um, 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:22.559 she was on this call with other House Democrats kind 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:26.400 of hashing over the election return she barely survived. You know, 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:30.520 she's from a tough red to blue district, and she erupted. 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:33.920 And she's a pretty mild mannered, you know, national security professional, 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:38.000 moderate Democrat, and and she just said, you know, unless 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:43.400 we exercise socialism, defund the police, this kind of hard 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:48.439 left um stench from our party. Um, we're going to 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:52.640 get you know, bleeping walloped or something to that effect. 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.840 Uh in two years. And it is a problem. I 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.360 worked at congressional race which is still too close to 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.560 call in a Republican district, and it in California, And 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:05.679 what are the Republican independent groups choose to focus on 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.280 in the last two weeks of the campaign. It was 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:11.680 defund the police. It was socialism, it was riots, it 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.679 was anarchy. And I think for a lot of you know, 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:20.640 rightly or wrongly, for a lot of white swing voters 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:26.200 in suburban communities, that whole line of argument was really scary. 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:28.840 And I think, and you also saw finally in the 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:33.000 exit polling the voters who decided at the end, just 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.080 as in broke for Trump. Now we'll see how the 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.000 exit poll evolves as it's kind of reweighted and adjusted 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.959 as we go. But I think that's pretty significant too, 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.080 And I think that's probably a word of warning for 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:49.120 Joe Biden and Kamala Harris in terms of how they 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:53.480 approach governing. If in fact, Joe Biden is elected as 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:57.680 it appears, he will be uh that when it comes 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:02.000 to you know, holding on of progressive principles is one 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:07.800 thing like healthcare pre you know, fixing healthcare pre existing conditions, 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:13.920 even universal healthcare, potentially something like the Green New Deal, 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.240 as long as it doesn't put a ton of people 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:18.200 out of work. I mean, I think all those things 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:21.040 are going to have to be seen through a new lens, 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:25.640 don't you. Uh Not that they're not important issues to tackle, 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:30.560 but it has to be done carefully, right yeah, I mean. 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:35.840 And Biden was thoughtful during the campaign about distancing himself 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:38.080 from some of these ideas. He did not endorse the 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.040 Green New Deal. He said he had his own plan. 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:45.760 He uh publicly repeatedly broke from defund the police. He 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:50.200 said rioters should be prosecuted. Um, and he needed to 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:54.160 do all of those things. Um. The question is why 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.200 did he need to do all of those things. Why 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.120 was that even a conversation that was happening. And it 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:03.520 was because some activists who were almost exclusively from deep 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:09.520 blue urban areas. We're pushing those issues to the detriment 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:13.800 of politicians who had to compete on much less friendly terrain. 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:17.160 And in order for the Democrats to govern uh, to 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.960 win the Senate, to have a significant majority in the House, 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.320 they got to win a lot of areas that are 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.760 center center right in this country, and this stuff is challenging. 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:30.240 I think that Claire McCaskill talked about that this morning. 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.680 I saw her saying that the progressive wing of the 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:37.960 party has to appreciate people who are running in much 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:41.040 more conservative areas. I thought about my sister who was 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:44.680 running for lieutenant governor with Mark Warner before she was 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.280 diagnosed with cancer and had to drop out of the race. 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.760 But she was really good at kind of I mean, 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:54.640 she was quite a moderate Democrat of of working with 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:58.960 people in Charlottesville, but also in larger Alba Marle County, 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.240 which was quite know had a lot of conservative voters. 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.840 There as well. And you know, I think sort of 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.640 we talked about it last night, Brian, sort of cancel 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:12.960 culture and this self righteous smugness that you're an idiot 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.520 if you don't see things my way, um, which I 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:20.480 think can can feel like it's coming from uber uber 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:24.400 progressives can be very off putting to more moderate voters. 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.720 I mean, you can believe two things at the same time. 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:31.000 You can believe there is a history of systemic racism 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.800 in this country, that systemic racism is a problem here 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.640 now today that has to be addressed, that there needs 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:40.600 to be more economic opportunity. Those are majority positions. Black 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:44.240 Lives Matter has a majority favorability rating in the country. 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:46.800 So you don't want to overlearn the lesson. You know, 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.040 voters of color are the core of the Democratic Party. 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.400 You don't want to push them away. But you also 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:56.080 don't want to push away, Uh, the seventy of the 0:16:56.120 --> 0:17:01.240 electorate that is white. Um, and that feels like, um, 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:06.639 they're being blamed. Um, they're being excluded, they're being chastise 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.600 or school You know. I don't know whether I told 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:12.200 you this, Brian, but I saw I feel the same 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:16.720 way that it is possible everything has become so black 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:20.760 white left right that you can you can want to 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:26.520 reform the police department and feel that that it's patently 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:32.080 unfair that black men are uh subjected to profiling and 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:36.880 police brutality much more often than white people. You can 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:41.760 also respect and appreciate what the police do and support 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:44.919 Black Lives Matter. And there was a ben diagram that 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.159 Billy Jene King put on her Instagram. I don't know 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.280 if I told you this. It might have been David Brooks. 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.600 I was talking to. I get all you guys mixed up, 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.400 used for each other all the time, so anti semitic 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:57.560 of you, Katie in the middle. In the middle, it 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:01.400 said me, and it was Billy Know And I thought, yeah, 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:05.160 why why do we have to necessarily pick sides and 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.600 say you're either pro police or pro black Lives Matter? 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:12.400 And I guess a lot of um, you know, activists 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:15.400 will say, well, you can't be both. But I think 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.520 that's honestly where a lot of people are. You know, 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:22.280 they want to respect and appreciate good policing and good 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:26.280 officers and also help them be better officers and weed 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:30.520 out bad officers. And you know, but as somebody who 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:34.359 is not a black person. You know, I have a 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:39.520 different outlook and a different life experience, so I cannot necessarily, uh, 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.600 you know, appreciate what it's like to be a black 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:46.520 man in America, and so I understand the anger that 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.679 has been built up over years and years and years 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:53.600 of racial profiling and just late you know, out and 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.520 out racism. Anyway, I completely agree with that. But let 0:18:56.520 --> 0:19:00.159 me just say, if you listen to the voice is 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:05.359 of black people, uh and Latinos, support for defund the 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:09.879 police was actually significantly less among those groups than among 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:13.520 the white left. This is uh more of a kind 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:19.560 of white elite left issue than it is among actual 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:22.920 black and brown voters. Um. You know, my favorite example 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:26.560 of this is the term latin x um, which is, 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:30.080 you know, the very kind of hip woke term for 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:33.439 Latinos and Latinos in this country. The only problem with 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:39.120 it is if you actually listen to Latinos and Latinos Hispanics, 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:43.320 they identify those terms with those terms, they understand those terms. 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:46.560 They don't know what latin x is. And Reuben Gayego, 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:52.520 who's a Hispanic member of Congress from working class Latino 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:57.080 district in Arizona, the day after the election, tweeted, you 0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:00.520 know one thing we've got to start doing, uh if 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:04.640 we want to win over more Hispanic voters or Latino voters, 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:08.440 is stop using the term latin X because they don't 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:10.880 understand it. Q did a pull that showed that only 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.720 three percent of Americans actually, I think it was three 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:16.200 percent of Latinos had ever heard the term or used 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:19.080 the term latin X. So to me, that's like exhibit 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:22.600 a of the disconnect sometimes between you know what our 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:26.840 note is like extremely online people who are primarily upscale 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:30.080 and white and urban, and the voters the Democrats need 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:45.120 to win. Hey, it's Chuck Wicks from Love Country Talk 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:48.159 to Chuck, where we bring you what's really happening in 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:50.480 the country music family. We also if you love country. 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:52.560 Here's the deal. If you love country music, you can 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:54.840 be on the podcast. 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I feel like 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:27.280 I did. I'm not on a thousand percent. I want 0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:29.840 to say that was I tossed that one out. Listen 0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:31.840 to the Welcome to Our Show podcast on the I 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:35.960 Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. 0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:43.960 So let's talk about some other uh lessons that we've 0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:48.560 learned here. So we've realized that that the socialism message, 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:53.280 the antisocialism message, really resonated with a lot of voters. 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:57.199 What about the economy? Do you think that the Biden 0:23:57.240 --> 0:24:02.040 campaign made a strong enough connection between when getting COVID nineteen, 0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:06.680 getting the pandemic under control, and jump starting the economy. 0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:09.840 I think they tried. Biden gave a number of speeches 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:12.920 and interviews on this topic. UM. I think they were 0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:14.959 aware of the challenge. I'm not going to fault what 0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:20.800 they did or didn't do, but the net result was insufficient. Um. 0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:25.760 You know, even coming off the worst economic collapse in history, 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:29.960 even with the worst jobs record of any president since Hoover. 0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:34.160 You know, Trump went into election day with a consistent 0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:38.200 advantage on who do you trust to handle the economy? UM, 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:40.879 and that that was a problem. You know, the economy 0:24:40.960 --> 0:24:44.000