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We're finally on the other 30 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: side of the presidential election, and it's been, as promised, 31 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: unprecedented because of highly engaged voters like you. I live 32 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: here in Rule Tennessee, just outside Nashville. I'm calling you 33 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: from Connecticut, Virginia, Chicago, Illinois, and Santie, Ohio. You turned 34 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: out in record numbers Dale, North Carolina, Michigan, Denver, Colorado, Rooklyn. 35 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: When all is said and done, is projected to have 36 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: the highest voter turnout rate in more than a century. 37 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: A game mail from Kentucky. I have some special health needs. 38 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: I'm blind. To live in the battleground state. I live 39 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: in the suburb. I have voted both parties in the past. 40 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: My husband and I we voted. It was great to 41 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: hear from so many of you this week who called 42 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: in to share your voting stories. This really is a 43 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: moment in history that will be talking about and analyzing 44 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: for years to come. I'm nineteen years old and this 45 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: is my first time voting in a presidential election. With 46 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: COVID rates on the rise, I decided to vote by mail. 47 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: We voted abstince T about two weeks ago and dropped 48 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: it off at our city clerks box. I have a 49 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: twenty year old son who rushed home from college to 50 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: get his ballot in the box. I voted early this year, 51 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: back in September three weeks ago, two weeks ago, so 52 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: I actually voted in person. In person on my birthday. 53 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: My man ballot actually got lost in the mail, but 54 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: after runing to my local election office, I was able 55 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: to do a limited voting and there was no wait. 56 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: We were in and out within under ten minutes, simple, easy, breezy. 57 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: Uh five minutes, but the line was moving smoothly. Had 58 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: to wait in line for forty five minutes, about two hours. 59 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: I was just glad I was able to vote early 60 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: and get it out of the way. I wore my 61 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: Ruth Fatikins for a T shirt. It was an excellent experience. 62 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: Kudos to the arena and the NBA for making it happen. 63 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: As a member of a marginalized community, it was just 64 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: good to like have my vote count and my voice heard. 65 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: As cliche as it sounds, there's a lot of places 66 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: in my life where you know, um, I don't always 67 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: feel that way. I was able to check online tracked electronically, 68 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: so I know that my local Board of Elections has 69 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: already received my ballot. But I received a text message 70 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: from the Register of Voters the very next day confirming 71 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: that they were inter seat of my ballot. I'm good 72 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: to go and that it will be counted. It felt 73 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: so so great to finally be able to vote, and 74 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: especially in such a critical effection. I'm Katie Curic and 75 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: this is Turnout. It's Friday, November six and today on 76 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: the podcast a conversation I just had over Instagram Live 77 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: with Brian Goldsmith. Now, Brian, many of you know, is 78 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: a really good friend of mine. We used to do 79 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: a podcast together. He worked with me at CBS, later 80 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,239 Speaker 1: at Yahoo. He helped me enormously prepare for my Sarah 81 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: Palin interview my infamous or famous interview, depending on your perspective. 82 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: And he's my go to guy whenever I have a 83 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: question about national politics. In fact, I tease him because 84 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: he was grounded in high school for sneaking out of 85 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: his room to watch c SPAN. Yeah, he's that big 86 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: of a political nerd. So I thought it would be 87 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: really instructive and helpf for us to do a post 88 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: mortem on what happened this week. And since the news 89 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: is changing so fast and furiously, we wanted you to 90 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: know that we recorded this conversation at six pm Eastern 91 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: Time again on Friday. So enjoy. Let's talk about the election, Okay, 92 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: so just give us a quick update. It feels like like, 93 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: when are they going to call this thing? Um help us. 94 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: I don't know why they haven't called it. I mean 95 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: I think I know why, but it doesn't really make 96 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: sense because if your Fox or the A P and 97 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: you've already called Arizona, Um, Biden wins the presidency just 98 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: with Nevada. Nobody who's looked at the numbers thinks that 99 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: Nevada is going to flip back to Trump. So with 100 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: Nevada and Arizona Biden hits to seventy, you know that's it. 101 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: Game over, fat ladies, sung, et cetera. Okay, if you're 102 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: all the other networks you have, haven't called Arizona. Um, 103 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: take a look at Pennsylvania, where Biden's lead is pretty 104 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: substantial and is getting bigger, not smaller. Now, is there 105 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: like an insane scenario with provisional ballots um contradicting you know, 106 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: the historic patterns of previous provisional ballots, contradicting the counties 107 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: from which they came. Yes, I mean I also could 108 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: be struck by lightning right here, right now. That is 109 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: conceivably possible. But Biden is gonna win Pennsylvania. And once 110 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: you've accepted that, you know, you get over to seventy, 111 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: even under the count that ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN 112 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: are keeping. And started to interrupt Bryant. But Arizona, it 113 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: seems I haven't really looked at it in the last hour. 114 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: I went to the grocery store instead. Arizona is it 115 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: seems like it's tightening up? Um, isn't it a little bit? 116 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: And I guess maybe in the event that Arizona gets 117 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,799 Speaker 1: too close to call um That's why maybe the networks, 118 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: as you said, are waiting for Pennsylvania. So, but he 119 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: doesn't need Arizona. So even if you were to assume 120 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: he doesn't need Arizona, but what I'm saying is maybe 121 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: they're waiting for Pennsylvania, where he has a more sizeable lead, 122 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: since they didn't call Arizona and not that Arizona. I 123 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: don't know. Is Arizona a little up for grabs? I 124 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: don't think so. I mean, everybody serious who's looked at 125 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: this has said that, you know, Biden's lead may narrow 126 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: a bit. It's I mean, it's over one point now, 127 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: it's one point three, um, and it may shrink a 128 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: little bit. But I don't think anyone expects Trump to 129 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: overtake Biden in Arizona. But okay, so let's but then 130 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: even if you take even if you say Arizona is 131 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: too uncertain. And that's why NBCCBS, ABC, CNN have not 132 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: called Arizona, you don't you know, you go over here 133 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: to Pennsylvania and Biden's leader is about fourteen thousand votes 134 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: and growing, and then you know, okay, I'm gonna dip 135 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: down into that you know, where the rest of the 136 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: votes are Um, you know, you still have a bunch 137 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: of Philadelphia votes yet to count. Yes, you have some provisionals, 138 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: but they are not going to be strongly Republican enough 139 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: to overcome the eight twenty margin that Biden is getting 140 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: from a lot of votes out of Pennsylvania. I mean, 141 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: I think there's actually, you know, most people think that 142 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: Biden's margin in Pennsylvania is going to be significantly bigger 143 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: in the end than Trump's margin was in that state 144 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: four years ago when all the Republicans were proclaiming a landslide. 145 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: You know, was this election a huge repudiation of Donald Trump? 146 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: When you see that the Republicans gained seats in the House. 147 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: When you see that they it looks right now with 148 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: a Georgia runoff expected to george to runoffs expected, uh, 149 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: that they're holding the Senate majority. But yet the president 150 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: uh wasn't able to pull it off. So was this 151 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: really about Donald Trump and Donald Trump only? Well, it 152 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: certainly was not a huge repudiation of Republicans. Um. Republicans 153 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: down ballot, you know, for the most part, seemed to 154 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: outperform the top of the ticket a little bit. UM. 155 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: Often you'll see the opposite um and In terms of 156 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 1: the presidential race itself, Uh, Trump performed pretty respectively. I mean, 157 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: he won Ohio, he won Florida, he won Florida pretty comfortably. UM, 158 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: he won uh North Carolina. Um. He kept it close 159 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: in a number of the other key battleground states. Now, 160 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: in terms of the popular vote, it's not going to 161 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 1: be that close. I think Biden's on track to in 162 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: the popular vote by five or six or even seven million. 163 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a bigger popular vote margin 164 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: than Obama's over Romney in twelve. Um, But the electoral college, 165 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: which is where this has really fought and decided, was 166 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: was a bit closer. You know. I think Biden's on 167 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: track for three oh six, which is precisely the numbers 168 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: we've discussed that Trump got four years ago. So I 169 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: think there's gonna be some soul searching, frankly, in both 170 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: parties about you know, what they got right and what 171 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: they got wrong, and it's it's really a mixed bag 172 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: for both You're right, I mean, I think President Trump 173 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: did much better than a lot of people expected, and 174 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 1: I think it just underscored once again how divided this 175 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: country is that so many people still really felt more 176 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: comfortable with Donald Trump than Joe Biden for a host 177 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: of reasons. What primarily do you believe were the reasons, Brian, 178 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: I think it was primarily ideological. I think there were 179 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: a number of voters who were uncomfortable with Trump personally 180 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: and temperamentally. They had doubts about his capacity for the job, 181 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: but they were convinced, based on their own predispositions to 182 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: be kind of center or center right, that the Democrats 183 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 1: were a little too extreme, that Biden was a trojan 184 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: horse for the radical left. I mean, I worked in 185 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: Florida this cycle, and you know, we did seven or 186 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: eight focus groups with Trump voters who were considering voting 187 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: for Biden, and that argument resonated with them. They were 188 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: scared by what they saw, you know, that the media 189 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: was focusing heavily on Bernie and Warren and AOC. You know, 190 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: they had they had gone through this kind of summer 191 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: of racially charged protest, of riots, of um, you know, 192 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: defund the police, which is perhaps the worst political slogan 193 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: in a mirror in history, with the possible exception of socialists, UM. 194 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: And they heard both those things, you know, and I 195 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: thought it was striking Abigail Spanburger, who's a congresswoman from 196 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: your home state or home commonwealth. I should call it right. Um, 197 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 1: she was on this call with other House Democrats kind 198 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: of hashing over the election return she barely survived. You know, 199 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: she's from a tough red to blue district, and she erupted. 200 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: And she's a pretty mild mannered, you know, national security professional, 201 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: moderate Democrat, and and she just said, you know, unless 202 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: we exercise socialism, defund the police, this kind of hard 203 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 1: left um stench from our party. Um, we're going to 204 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: get you know, bleeping walloped or something to that effect. 205 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: Uh in two years. And it is a problem. I 206 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: worked at congressional race which is still too close to 207 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: call in a Republican district, and it in California, And 208 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: what are the Republican independent groups choose to focus on 209 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: in the last two weeks of the campaign. It was 210 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: defund the police. It was socialism, it was riots, it 211 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: was anarchy. And I think for a lot of you know, 212 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: rightly or wrongly, for a lot of white swing voters 213 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: in suburban communities, that whole line of argument was really scary. 214 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: And I think, and you also saw finally in the 215 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: exit polling the voters who decided at the end, just 216 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: as in broke for Trump. Now we'll see how the 217 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: exit poll evolves as it's kind of reweighted and adjusted 218 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 1: as we go. But I think that's pretty significant too, 219 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: And I think that's probably a word of warning for 220 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: Joe Biden and Kamala Harris in terms of how they 221 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: approach governing. If in fact, Joe Biden is elected as 222 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: it appears, he will be uh that when it comes 223 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: to you know, holding on of progressive principles is one 224 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: thing like healthcare pre you know, fixing healthcare pre existing conditions, 225 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: even universal healthcare, potentially something like the Green New Deal, 226 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: as long as it doesn't put a ton of people 227 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: out of work. I mean, I think all those things 228 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: are going to have to be seen through a new lens, 229 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: don't you. Uh Not that they're not important issues to tackle, 230 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: but it has to be done carefully, right yeah, I mean. 231 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: And Biden was thoughtful during the campaign about distancing himself 232 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: from some of these ideas. He did not endorse the 233 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: Green New Deal. He said he had his own plan. 234 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: He uh publicly repeatedly broke from defund the police. He 235 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: said rioters should be prosecuted. Um, and he needed to 236 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: do all of those things. Um. The question is why 237 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: did he need to do all of those things. Why 238 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: was that even a conversation that was happening. And it 239 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: was because some activists who were almost exclusively from deep 240 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: blue urban areas. We're pushing those issues to the detriment 241 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: of politicians who had to compete on much less friendly terrain. 242 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: And in order for the Democrats to govern uh, to 243 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: win the Senate, to have a significant majority in the House, 244 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: they got to win a lot of areas that are 245 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: center center right in this country, and this stuff is challenging. 246 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: I think that Claire McCaskill talked about that this morning. 247 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: I saw her saying that the progressive wing of the 248 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: party has to appreciate people who are running in much 249 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: more conservative areas. I thought about my sister who was 250 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: running for lieutenant governor with Mark Warner before she was 251 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: diagnosed with cancer and had to drop out of the race. 252 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: But she was really good at kind of I mean, 253 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: she was quite a moderate Democrat of of working with 254 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: people in Charlottesville, but also in larger Alba Marle County, 255 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: which was quite know had a lot of conservative voters. 256 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: There as well. And you know, I think sort of 257 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: we talked about it last night, Brian, sort of cancel 258 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: culture and this self righteous smugness that you're an idiot 259 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: if you don't see things my way, um, which I 260 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: think can can feel like it's coming from uber uber 261 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: progressives can be very off putting to more moderate voters. 262 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you can believe two things at the same time. 263 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: You can believe there is a history of systemic racism 264 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: in this country, that systemic racism is a problem here 265 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: now today that has to be addressed, that there needs 266 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: to be more economic opportunity. Those are majority positions. Black 267 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: Lives Matter has a majority favorability rating in the country. 268 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: So you don't want to overlearn the lesson. You know, 269 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: voters of color are the core of the Democratic Party. 270 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: You don't want to push them away. But you also 271 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: don't want to push away, Uh, the seventy of the 272 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: electorate that is white. Um, and that feels like, um, 273 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: they're being blamed. Um, they're being excluded, they're being chastise 274 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: or school You know. I don't know whether I told 275 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: you this, Brian, but I saw I feel the same 276 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: way that it is possible everything has become so black 277 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: white left right that you can you can want to 278 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: reform the police department and feel that that it's patently 279 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: unfair that black men are uh subjected to profiling and 280 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: police brutality much more often than white people. You can 281 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: also respect and appreciate what the police do and support 282 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter. And there was a ben diagram that 283 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: Billy Jene King put on her Instagram. I don't know 284 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: if I told you this. It might have been David Brooks. 285 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: I was talking to. I get all you guys mixed up, 286 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: used for each other all the time, so anti semitic 287 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: of you, Katie in the middle. In the middle, it 288 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: said me, and it was Billy Know And I thought, yeah, 289 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: why why do we have to necessarily pick sides and 290 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: say you're either pro police or pro black Lives Matter? 291 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: And I guess a lot of um, you know, activists 292 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: will say, well, you can't be both. But I think 293 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: that's honestly where a lot of people are. You know, 294 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: they want to respect and appreciate good policing and good 295 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: officers and also help them be better officers and weed 296 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: out bad officers. And you know, but as somebody who 297 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: is not a black person. You know, I have a 298 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: different outlook and a different life experience, so I cannot necessarily, uh, 299 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: you know, appreciate what it's like to be a black 300 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: man in America, and so I understand the anger that 301 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 1: has been built up over years and years and years 302 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: of racial profiling and just late you know, out and 303 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: out racism. Anyway, I completely agree with that. But let 304 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: me just say, if you listen to the voice is 305 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: of black people, uh and Latinos, support for defund the 306 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: police was actually significantly less among those groups than among 307 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: the white left. This is uh more of a kind 308 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: of white elite left issue than it is among actual 309 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: black and brown voters. Um. You know, my favorite example 310 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: of this is the term latin x um, which is, 311 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: you know, the very kind of hip woke term for 312 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: Latinos and Latinos in this country. The only problem with 313 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: it is if you actually listen to Latinos and Latinos Hispanics, 314 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: they identify those terms with those terms, they understand those terms. 315 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: They don't know what latin x is. And Reuben Gayego, 316 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: who's a Hispanic member of Congress from working class Latino 317 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: district in Arizona, the day after the election, tweeted, you 318 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: know one thing we've got to start doing, uh if 319 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 1: we want to win over more Hispanic voters or Latino voters, 320 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: is stop using the term latin X because they don't 321 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: understand it. Q did a pull that showed that only 322 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: three percent of Americans actually, I think it was three 323 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: percent of Latinos had ever heard the term or used 324 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: the term latin X. So to me, that's like exhibit 325 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: a of the disconnect sometimes between you know what our 326 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: note is like extremely online people who are primarily upscale 327 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: and white and urban, and the voters the Democrats need 328 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: to win. Hey, it's Chuck Wicks from Love Country Talk 329 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: to Chuck, where we bring you what's really happening in 330 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: the country music family. We also if you love country. 331 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: Here's the deal. 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I'm Zoe de Chanelle and 367 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to be joined by my friends and 368 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: cast Meats Hannah Sumone and Lamar and Morris to recap 369 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: our hit television series, New Girl. Join us every Monday 370 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: on the Welcome to Our Show podcast, where we'll share 371 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: behind the scenes stories of your favorite New Girl episodes, 372 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: revealed the truth behind the legendary game True American, and 373 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: discuss how this showed made with the writer's, guest stars 374 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: and directors who made the show so special. 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Listen 384 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: to the Welcome to Our Show podcast on the I 385 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. 386 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: So let's talk about some other uh lessons that we've 387 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: learned here. So we've realized that that the socialism message, 388 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: the antisocialism message, really resonated with a lot of voters. 389 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: What about the economy? Do you think that the Biden 390 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: campaign made a strong enough connection between when getting COVID nineteen, 391 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: getting the pandemic under control, and jump starting the economy. 392 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: I think they tried. Biden gave a number of speeches 393 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: and interviews on this topic. UM. I think they were 394 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 1: aware of the challenge. I'm not going to fault what 395 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: they did or didn't do, but the net result was insufficient. Um. 396 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: You know, even coming off the worst economic collapse in history, 397 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: even with the worst jobs record of any president since Hoover. 398 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: You know, Trump went into election day with a consistent 399 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: advantage on who do you trust to handle the economy? UM, 400 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: and that that was a problem. You know, the economy 401 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: is usually one of the biggest issues, if not the 402 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: biggest issue. I believe that once all the exit poll 403 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: data is kind of weighted and compiled, we will see 404 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: that it's the biggest issue again. And and Democrats cannot 405 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: lose on the economy. That's kind of the core of 406 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 1: of of of who we are. We're fighting for more 407 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: economic opportunity. And I sometimes worry, or at least I 408 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: worried over the course of the Trump presidency that a 409 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: number of Democrats were so distracted by the horror show 410 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: of Trump UM that the message kind of boiled down 411 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: to this is not who we are. America is better 412 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: than this. Trump's behavior is abominable. And a lot of 413 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: people would agree with that, and then they would still 414 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 1: support Trump because they thought that Trump was more able 415 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: to deliver economic improvements for them, um, in their lives. 416 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: And and so you know, a huge focus for Joe 417 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: Biden from day one has got to be um helping 418 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: people rebuild economically, helping the country rebuild economically. And and 419 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 1: this leads, unfortunately to the discussion about you know, in 420 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: all likelihood, Democrats are not going to have the Senate, 421 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: and it's going to be very, very difficult for Democrats 422 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,959 Speaker 1: to get things done legislatively. Having said that, as I 423 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: said last night, is there a chance because of Biden's 424 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: personal relationships with some of these folks that it will 425 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: just be less rancorous and it will um or do 426 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: you think they're going to be complete obstructionists? You and I? 427 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: Of course, I interviewed Mitch McConnell at Yahoo and asked 428 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: him about saying, as soon as Barack Obama was elected, 429 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: we're going to spend you know, our our number one 430 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: job for the Republican Party is to make sure he 431 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: isn't re elected, which you know, not even a honeymoon 432 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: period of saying what can we do together? In a course, 433 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: healthcare pass with not one Republican vote, and so um, 434 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: you know, are you do you have any optimism that 435 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: after an exhausting four years, that the parties possibly could 436 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: work together. I think it is possible on a few 437 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: issues that a few Republicans, you know, Susan Collins or 438 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: meant Romney or you know, Republicans without any kind of 439 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: national political ambitions, Republicans who are not afraid of their base, 440 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: Republicans who do you know, feel a sense of responsibility 441 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: to the country. Um, you know, may work with him 442 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: on those things. But I hope I'm wrong. I think 443 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: by and large what the Obama presidency taught us is 444 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: that the Republicans, for the most part, have decided that 445 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: the best political strategy is to oppose the Democratic president 446 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: at every turn. And therefore, when the Democratic president can't 447 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: get certain things done um and gets no bipartisan support, 448 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: the Republicans are able to blame him for those things, 449 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: and voters blame the president for those things. So you know, Obama, 450 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 1: I think, over and over again, was willing to meet 451 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: the Republicans halfway, sometimes even more than that. They weren't 452 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: willing in many cases to move an inch. And yet 453 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: the voters blamed Obama for being unable to produce you know, 454 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: bipartisan legislative successes. So it's a kind of a cynical strategy, 455 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: of course, but it's an effective one. And I think 456 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: you know, McConnell and most of the Senate Republicans are 457 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: going to look very quickly too, when they have the 458 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: opportunity to expand their majority potentially in the Senate, to 459 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: win back the House, which is far more possible today 460 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: than it looked, you know, before this election, and I 461 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: think the obstruction strategy is going to feel like the 462 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: right strategy to them. And also with the runoffs, if 463 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: the two Democrats win in Georgia, and you were saying 464 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: before in another conversation we had that turnout is very difficult, uh, 465 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: when you don't have a presidential election, so it might 466 00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: be more difficult. Although Stacy Abrahams has built quite an 467 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: organization in Georgia, and I'm sure we'll be working very 468 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: hard for these for these Senate races, It's not impossible. 469 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: I think there's a chance. I do think there's a chance. 470 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: I think, you know, Biden's gonna win Georgia's so the 471 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: votes are there. Um, But you know, do all those 472 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: votes from a from a presidential election turnout in January 473 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: for a Senate runoff, Maybe it's possible. Um. If I 474 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: had to bet money, I would bet that the you know, 475 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: the Republicans tend to turn out more Republicans historically do 476 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: better in these off your elections because they show up 477 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: UM over and over and over again. And Democrats tend 478 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: to be tend to vote more intermittently, UM, and mostly 479 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: in presidential years. UM. And so you know, Biden certainly 480 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: knows the stakes. UM. I don't think they're gonna want 481 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: for money. I think Act Blue will funnel you know, 482 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: millions and millions of dollars to these two you know, 483 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: very impressive, attractive Democratic candidates. Uh. But I just I 484 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: think it's it's a heavy lift. But but you know, 485 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: we should try. We should certainly try. But I'm trying 486 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: to give you honest analysis about what I think the 487 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: likelihood is. By the way, a lot of people are 488 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: asking about Kamala Harris's Senate seat. Brian, Yeah, it's funny. 489 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: I was just talking about this actually, UM on a 490 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: on a different interview, And I think, Um, I think 491 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: there are two front runners UM Newsom, the governor of California, 492 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: gets to pick uh, commalist successor Vice President elect Harris. 493 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: In my view, UM, and UH, I think those are 494 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: Karen Bass, who was a runner up for the VP slot, 495 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: who is an enormously impressive person, a master legislator. UM. 496 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: The first black woman speaker of the California Assembly. Um, 497 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, I know her, I like her. Should be 498 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: a terrific choice. UM. And the and and by the way, 499 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: you then get another black woman in the Senate to 500 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: replace the only black woman in the Senate. Now. The 501 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: second choice, who I think is probably more likely to 502 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: get picked is Alex Padilla, who is California's Secretary of State, 503 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: who would be the first Latino Senator ever from California. UM. 504 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: That is, you know, hard to believe, isn't it. It 505 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: is hard to believe. And we're a majority minority state. 506 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: Latinos are actually, by proportion of population, the biggest group 507 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: in California, slightly edging out whites. UM, but in terms 508 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: of voters have been quite underrepresented over the years. And 509 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: I think, Um, the governor feels a deep sense of history. 510 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: He also goes back a long way with Padilla, who 511 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: actually and and the six junkies watching this will appreciate it. 512 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: When Newsom ran for governor in the primaries against Jerry 513 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: Brown ten years ago, Alex Padilla was actually the chairman 514 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: of Newsom's campaign. So they go back a long way. 515 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, and he's very impressive, and 516 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: I think, you know, if I had to bet, he 517 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: would probably get picked. Let's talk about turnout. Uh, I 518 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: understand this is going to be the largest turnout in 519 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: something like one hundred years. Uh. And um, I think 520 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: people were more, perhaps more engaged in in this election 521 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: than they have in any election of my lifetime certainly. Uh. 522 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: Do you have any idea about the turnout numbers. Did 523 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: a lot of young people come out and vote, did 524 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: a lot of seniors? Or is it hard to tell 525 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: until all the mail in ballots are are are accounted 526 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: and we can really analyze the people who voted. It's 527 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: hard to tell accurately demographic by demographic. But I can't 528 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: say overall turn out his way up. We know that, 529 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: I mean, and on both sides, which is I think 530 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: a surprise to a lot of people. People were expecting 531 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: a blue surge, they weren't expecting a red searge, and 532 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: we got both. So you know, Trump is now just 533 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: under seventy million votes. I think he got sixty three 534 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: or sixty four million last time. Um, Hillary got I 535 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: think sixty six million last time. Biden is now at 536 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: seventy four million. I mean, I think he's gonna get 537 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: to seventy five million once California is fully counted. Um, 538 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: so huge increase in turn out on both sides. And 539 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: I would be shocked if it weren't, you know, driven 540 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: by young people as well as older people. But um, 541 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: you know the thing that the Trump people got mocked 542 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: for um for years saying that they were going to 543 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: bring out a lot more white non college voters. Um, 544 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: it turns out they probably did. I think the Blue 545 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: surge was was clearly bigger, and and and overtook them. 546 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: But you know, the Republicans turned out, and and and 547 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: Trump supporters turned out and and and they're gonna be 548 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: a force in our power. Takes a huge force for 549 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: years to come. And I would not bet against anyone 550 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 1: whose last name is Trump in Republican primaries. In fact, 551 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: I saw last night there was an article that said 552 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: he had already been discussing by the way, I can't 553 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: vouch for this, but it was I think media it 554 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: saying that he had already been floating the idea of 555 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: if he lost about running in I was going to 556 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: tweet it and say too soon. I think it's very possible. 557 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: I think it's very very possible, And a lot of 558 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: people are talking about that. Um he uh, he would 559 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: be seventy eight, which is about Joe Biden's age. Um, 560 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: he would want to of course avenge his loss. Um. 561 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: I think if the Democratic nominee is Vice President Kamala Harris, 562 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: he would relish the opportunity to have a full on 563 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: race and gender war against somebody who symbolizes is the 564 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: America that he is fighting against tooth and nail. Um. 565 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: You know, David Axelrod had this great line that, you know, 566 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: uh Joe Biden was very culturally inconvenient for Donald Trump. 567 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: And it's true. You know, working class kid from Scranton, 568 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: p A. Not part of the sixties protests movement, not 569 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: part of the woke squad. You know, it was very 570 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: hard to demonize uh Joe Biden or to make him 571 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: a scary figure. I mean, in fact, you know, Donald 572 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: Trump bought himself an impeachment trying to disqualify Joe Biden 573 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: because he knew, I mean give him credit, he knew 574 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: very early on that Biden was going to be a 575 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: deeply problematic opponent for him. Well, I don't think he 576 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: views uh Kamala Harris the same way. Now, he may 577 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 1: be really underestimating her, and she may build an equally 578 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: if not more powerful coalition driven by you know, different demographics. 579 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: But I just think from the you know, from inside 580 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:05,359 Speaker 1: you know, humps kind of prejudiced, adult, heat seeking brain. UM. 581 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: You know, I think the possibility of running against a 582 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: woman and a black woman. UM, I think is probably, 583 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: in a sick way, very appealing to him. Let's talk 584 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: about criminal charges that any of the Trump family may face. 585 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 1: Is that a possibility at all? Given all the investigations 586 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: that are going on in the Southern District of New 587 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: York about you know, improprieties which his charities, uh, certain 588 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: things that have been done taps wise. UM, do you 589 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: think that those will go anywhere? Yeah? I think they might. Um. 590 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: I think you have the New York State Attorney General 591 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: looking into Trump's business and his charity, his fraudulent charity. 592 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,879 Speaker 1: I think you have the Southern District of New York 593 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: looking into this stuff. And I think the great unanswered 594 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 1: question is, um, does Trump try to pardon himself? I 595 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: actually have very little doubt that he's going to try 596 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 1: to pardon everyone around him. I think that's how he's 597 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: going to try to buy the loyalty of all these 598 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,839 Speaker 1: people who haven't kind of you know, flipped to use 599 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 1: the mafia parlance. Um. But I think it is it 600 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 1: is kind of uncertain legal ground for a president to 601 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: try to pardon himself. You know, that could go to 602 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. Is Amy Coney Barrett the deciding vote 603 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: on that. I don't know, can a president a president 604 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,919 Speaker 1: can in fact pardon himself for one day herself. Well, no, 605 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,879 Speaker 1: no one has tried before. Nixon, you know, had enough 606 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,359 Speaker 1: propriety that he wouldn't even dream of trying. Um. But 607 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: I don't think Trump respects these you know, these norms 608 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: and traditions at all. Um. And so if it's a possible, 609 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,359 Speaker 1: I mean I certainly don't think Bill Barr is going 610 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: to stand in his way. I think he's going to 611 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 1: get a favorable opinion from bars Justice Department, um, and 612 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: then it will probably be you know, fought out in 613 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,760 Speaker 1: the courts. And and you know, if if there's anything 614 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: we about Trump that you know, he pushes the limits 615 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 1: and most of the time he gets away with it. Um. 616 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: You know, you just can't even remember it like washes 617 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: over us all of the stuff that he's done, any 618 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: one of which would have been like a presidency ending 619 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: scandal for previous presidents. And yet he just, you know, 620 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: like old man River, he just keeps rolling along. And 621 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: you know, I think, uh, I think he may try. 622 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 1: When P. T. 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It saddens 664 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: me to see people on this live interview still claiming fraud. 665 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 1: We've heard that there have been no incidents, or very 666 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: few incidents, or I guess zero incidents. I'm sure there 667 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 1: have been some cases of sketchy things going on. I mean, 668 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 1: can you really have an election with zero point zero 669 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 1: cases of of kind of questionable voting behavior. There's got 670 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: to be a there's got to be a few. But 671 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 1: you know, no one has presented any evidence of anything significant. 672 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,279 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think anyone's presented any evidence of 673 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: a single ballot in this cycle being you know, fraudulent 674 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: in the sense that somebody tried to like double vote 675 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,840 Speaker 1: or cancel out somebody else's vote or something like that. 676 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 1: I mean, people make plenty of mistakes, of course, and 677 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 1: we're seeing that all over Pennsylvania in a way that, 678 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,760 Speaker 1: by the way, advantaged Donald Trump, not Joe Biden, because 679 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,440 Speaker 1: you know, people had to kind of go through this 680 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 1: complicated new procedure with an inner envelope and an outer 681 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 1: envelope signatures, and I mean it was a whole it 682 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: was a whole thing. Um. But you know, I give 683 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 1: great credit to Pat to me, the conservative Republican senator 684 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,840 Speaker 1: from Pennsylvania who went on the Today Show this morning 685 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,840 Speaker 1: and said, you know, there's no evidence for what the 686 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 1: president is saying, and he ought to quit saying. He 687 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 1: ought to quit saying it. Um. But you know, there 688 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: is a divide in the Republican party between you know, 689 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: the retiring Republicans too, he's not running again in two 690 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,359 Speaker 1: who are being honest about this stuff, um, you know, 691 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 1: or the or the retired Republicans who you know, many 692 00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 1: of whom supported Biden, and the Republicans with ambition, Um, 693 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: who are you know, in some cases fanning the flames? Now, 694 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,759 Speaker 1: I will say Kevin McCarthy, the House Republican Leader, went 695 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 1: on Fox last night said that Trump won the election, 696 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,400 Speaker 1: you know, definitively said that Trump won the big Fox 697 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,400 Speaker 1: primetime audience. I think he was on the Lory Ingram Show. 698 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,880 Speaker 1: He then posted that on social media, knowing exactly what 699 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,399 Speaker 1: he said, spread it around, and then today walked it back. 700 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,240 Speaker 1: Today he said he was misunderstood and what he meant 701 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 1: was that Trump had won by helping down ballad, House 702 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,840 Speaker 1: and Senate Republicans, which of course was not what he meant. 703 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 1: But I do think it's noteworthy that he felt the 704 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: need to walk it back that you know, you you 705 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: have the news voices on Fox who are mostly being 706 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 1: pretty responsible here. I mean, apparently Trump is calling Rupert 707 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,360 Speaker 1: Murdoch and others and and yelling about the Fox coverage 708 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: that they're not parroting his line that the whole thing 709 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 1: was stolen. I think Box, you know, on some level, 710 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 1: is already looking a little bit past Trump and and 711 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 1: they may actually have a you know, set aside whatever 712 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 1: their Morald views are, they have a business interest and 713 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:17,320 Speaker 1: potentially being kind of the the opposition party because historically 714 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,400 Speaker 1: their ratings have gone up, knocked down one of Democrats 715 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 1: and in the White House. So let's talk about the 716 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,919 Speaker 1: concession speech. Will it? Do you think there will be one? 717 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,880 Speaker 1: I don't think there's ever gonna be one. That's my question. 718 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,000 Speaker 1: It's something, do you think if Donald Trump has lost 719 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,240 Speaker 1: that he really wants to go down in history as 720 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:48,880 Speaker 1: the most churlish, most bitter defeated president of all time. Um, 721 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,040 Speaker 1: it's it's such. I know, I know, I know, I know, 722 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,799 Speaker 1: I know better than being a loser, you know. I 723 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,360 Speaker 1: think for Donald Trump, there were always only two outcomes 724 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,320 Speaker 1: to this election. Either he one or it was stolen. 725 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,799 Speaker 1: That was the only two. He was setting that. He 726 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,720 Speaker 1: was setting the foundation for that for months and months 727 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,800 Speaker 1: and months, despite the fact that mailan voting was always 728 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,360 Speaker 1: going to have to be a necessary thing, especially in 729 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 1: the midst of a pandemic. I was watching John McCain's 730 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 1: concession speech in two thousand and eight. I saw you 731 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: posted that Larry Clinton's in two thousand sixteen, which someone 732 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: said was not gracious and that could not be further 733 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 1: from the truth. It was moving, but she was, you know, 734 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 1: very magnanimous towards Donald Trump. So you think what is 735 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,360 Speaker 1: going to happen in the next two months before the inauguration. 736 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 1: I think he's going to be churlish and uncooperative. I 737 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 1: think he's not going to like be physically dragged out 738 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 1: of the White House. I think he's going to leave, 739 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,480 Speaker 1: but I think that is the most he will do. 740 00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,239 Speaker 1: I think, and again I hope to death that I 741 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,719 Speaker 1: am wrong. I don't think he's gonna uh send the 742 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,160 Speaker 1: message to you know, the dregs and crooks who populate 743 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,799 Speaker 1: his administration to cooperate in any sense with the the 744 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 1: incoming administration. I think Biden, based on the combination of 745 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:22,279 Speaker 1: COVID and the economy and Donald Trump, is going to 746 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,360 Speaker 1: have by far the worst and most difficult transition of 747 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,640 Speaker 1: any incoming president ever. I think Trump is going to 748 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,839 Speaker 1: say that, you know, the deep state plotted against him, 749 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,840 Speaker 1: the fraudulent votes, and and big media and big tech 750 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,080 Speaker 1: and all this stuff that he's using is what pushed 751 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 1: him out of the White House. But he knows he won, 752 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,960 Speaker 1: and you know, he won, and this is all a 753 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: fraud and Biden's illegitimate. Um. I don't think he's going 754 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,320 Speaker 1: to invite the Biden's in for the traditional coffee before 755 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: the inauguration. I don't think he's going to attend Biden's inauguration, 756 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 1: and I'd be surprised if he did that. Uh, you know, traditionally, 757 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 1: of course, UM, the outgoing president invites the president elect 758 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,759 Speaker 1: shortly after the couple of days after the election to 759 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: the White House for a very civil and cordial meeting. 760 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:20,360 Speaker 1: You know, the last election like this was when Obama 761 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: defeated Romney, and I think a couple of weeks after 762 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 1: the election, Obama invited Romney in for lunch and they 763 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,440 Speaker 1: had a very by all accounts, a very friendly, cordial 764 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:35,280 Speaker 1: conversation for about an hour. President Obama invited President elect 765 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,760 Speaker 1: Trump to the White House I think, two days after 766 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,440 Speaker 1: the election and had him to lunch, and and I 767 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,480 Speaker 1: just think he's gonna, you know, he's just blowing up 768 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,160 Speaker 1: all the norms and and that the real loser is 769 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,680 Speaker 1: our is our institutions and our democracy and public trust, 770 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,600 Speaker 1: and this is really dangerous stuff. Well, Brian, it's been 771 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,160 Speaker 1: so fun talking to you about all this stuff. You 772 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 1: guys can see why I always call all Brian when 773 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,839 Speaker 1: I have quite political Thank you, all right, I'll talk 774 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,200 Speaker 1: to you soon, bye, Brian. 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