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Speaker 2: And I just want to say I was silencing my phone.
Speaker 2: That's why my finger was briefly on my phone. I
Speaker 2: wasn't quickly, you know, sending an email George.
Speaker 1: No one's close watching our podcast. I have to be honest.
Speaker 2: I was actually more apologizing. Interesting, interesting that you are.
Speaker 2: You think I'm addressing our listeners. I'm actually so embodied,
Speaker 2: and in the moment, I was just apologizing to my
Speaker 2: two friends that are with me in the room.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I'm going to look at my phone to
Speaker 1: sort of what the hell time it is?
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, so that I.
Speaker 1: Can sort of moving forward, know what time we're working
Speaker 1: with you, so if anyone's mad, if anyone's watching, I'm
Speaker 1: either in this room or at home. That's why I
Speaker 1: just see my phone.
Speaker 2: One of the most stressful things for me is it
Speaker 2: when we were on tour, like two years ago. Sometimes
Speaker 2: you would be like, can you keep track of the time?
Speaker 2: And I knew that I needed to look at my
Speaker 2: watch while we were on stage, but I could not
Speaker 2: do it subtly. So the people in the audience looked
Speaker 2: at me looking at my watch while performing, which I
Speaker 2: think is like a It's like it's already rude to
Speaker 2: do that just interpersonally, but to be a professional performer,
Speaker 2: be on stage and fully look at your watch is
Speaker 2: maybe legendary status.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that bad.
Speaker 2: You don't, okay.
Speaker 1: I think looking at your watch is like reasonable, like
Speaker 1: you actually know what time it is. Well, we're ripping
Speaker 1: up there.
Speaker 2: Looking at your watch. It's never actually rude. Sometimes you
Speaker 2: really do just want to know what time it is,
Speaker 2: but it has the reputation of being like, you know,
Speaker 2: like ripping a fart or something.
Speaker 3: I think it's like it's like yawning a little bit.
Speaker 3: It's like yawning while someone's talking, and it's kind of
Speaker 3: like I'm not bored. I'm like literally tired. Has nothing
Speaker 3: to do with you. Okay, you're I'm tired all the time.
Speaker 2: That the natural, the way you entered the conversation will
Speaker 2: be studied for millennia.
Speaker 3: By the way, I don't even know what.
Speaker 2: Because because we you know, our bit normally would be
Speaker 2: to yell at you and be like it's not you know,
Speaker 2: we haven't brought you in yet. And that would become
Speaker 2: a whole you know, it's hilarious. People love when we yell,
Speaker 2: like guests like yell. Love when we get combative. People
Speaker 2: say we miss it, like you guys are being too
Speaker 2: nice these days. You know, we have all these A
Speaker 2: listers on and we have to get back to our
Speaker 2: roots of sort of berating our friends. Yeah, but the
Speaker 2: way you entered immediately contributed something seemly were the conversation.
Speaker 2: I was like, it feels wrong to y I know,
Speaker 2: it felt really wrong.
Speaker 3: You can yell. I love yelling, and I don't feel
Speaker 3: sensitive about it.
Speaker 2: Yells at me, No, do you even yelling family?
Speaker 3: I come from a yelling family, yelling house. I've really
Speaker 3: had to learn that yelling is not appropriate because I
Speaker 3: don't think it's a big deal. But then it's like
Speaker 3: some people, like when I had when I learned about tone,
Speaker 3: like two years ago, I was it like, really blew
Speaker 3: my mind?
Speaker 1: What made you learn about tone?
Speaker 3: Like meeting people from the Midwest, Yes, that'll do it.
Speaker 3: When I moved to LA, I met people from the Midwest,
Speaker 3: and I felt misread every once in a while, and
Speaker 3: because they would be like, well, I don't want to
Speaker 3: argue and I'd be like, I'm agreeing with you. We agree.
Speaker 3: I'm like enjoying this conversation a lot. And I realized
Speaker 3: that they that some yeah, or I dated someone who
Speaker 3: I guess would yell at me a lot, but I
Speaker 3: never noticed. And someone was like, she's yelling at you,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, I don't care. I think it's funny. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she's literally she's literally hilarious.
Speaker 2: And you're like, oh, are you Italian.
Speaker 3: I'm like, she's like up in arms, like it's funny. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I would say the two people that have made me
Speaker 2: really question my tone are Midwestern like sort of midwestern
Speaker 2: nice people, and then honestly British people, because sometimes with
Speaker 2: British people they will be so passive aggressive, but it's
Speaker 2: like in their blood they're not trying to be rude. Right.
Speaker 2: One time, I was taking the sort of oral exam
Speaker 2: academic not medical, and the examiner was British valid and
Speaker 2: I was living in Greece at the time, where I
Speaker 2: went to high school. And I enter the room and
Speaker 2: I think I'm speaking normally and she goes sort of
Speaker 2: very quietly, Like something I've noticed in Greece is everyone's
Speaker 2: really loud like clearly implying that I am being loud
Speaker 2: upon entering the room.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine that that's really hard as I'm yelling
Speaker 3: into the microphone, that's really hard.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that happened to you. It sounds like you
Speaker 1: were microaggressed full I was macroaggress I would say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have a hard time. I would be
Speaker 3: thinking about that feedback, if you can even call it
Speaker 3: that sort of the whole time.
Speaker 2: I wouldas then I would I had to go into
Speaker 2: the oral exam.
Speaker 3: Horrible, horrible, horrifying.
Speaker 1: I learned over the last year of working a job
Speaker 1: that you're not allowed You're not saying rad thank you,
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to yawn in meetings. I've learned that
Speaker 1: people get so upset when you're yawning while they're talking
Speaker 1: in meetings, and it's like this is boring.
Speaker 3: Wait, but like with your normal like coat, with like
Speaker 3: a group.
Speaker 2: Of co workers, Yeah, with the big wigs or with
Speaker 2: either yeah, either way, people are saying, Sam, stop yawning.
Speaker 2: You know he actually have to do nod constantly. This
Speaker 2: is what you have to do.
Speaker 1: I meant, does that stop you from yawning or.
Speaker 2: Just no, it's just it makes it makes you seem
Speaker 2: like you're agreeing with And actually sometimes I'll see it
Speaker 2: because people do it and it's very phony. Sometimes I'll
Speaker 2: see someone not the entire time I'm saying something, and
Speaker 2: then when they actually speak up, it's to fully disagree
Speaker 2: with me, but they're doing it in such a kind way.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I like when you're talking to someone and they
Speaker 3: have that tick where they're mouthing the words yes with you,
Speaker 3: I'm sort of like, I know, it seems like you're
Speaker 3: actively listening, but you're feel like.
Speaker 2: And similarly, when someone starts nodding before you make a point,
Speaker 2: like you'll say something like you'll be like you know
Speaker 2: the thing is and they are already yon and you're
Speaker 2: like yeah or already nodding. You're like no, no, no, Now,
Speaker 2: even if you keep nodding, I will know you're lying.
Speaker 1: I had a friend that would literally finish every sentence
Speaker 1: like and like would kind of get it wrong, like
Speaker 1: just wait for me to say it and then you
Speaker 1: can then you can respond honestly, be like, I can't
Speaker 1: hang out this person anymore.
Speaker 2: They're struggling to focus looking for a word, and someone
Speaker 2: jumps in and they're like and they're like reifi, You're like, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'm performing being like an intellectual who is looking for
Speaker 2: a word. I know what I want to say.
Speaker 1: If I could just pick a word, really nilly, I
Speaker 1: would have picked a word. Willy nilly about what word?
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking hard, like I'm trying hard to grip
Speaker 3: on my thought. Yeah, as and if you say one thing,
Speaker 3: it's gone and it could have been important.
Speaker 2: It's also that never that word is not going to
Speaker 2: be provoked. It's going to be something more sophisticated than provoked.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I know the word provoke, That's what I'm
Speaker 2: looking Insight. No, that's equally that's actually equally basic.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't believe George just said in sight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's it? But you know, like there's a group
Speaker 2: of words. There's a group of verbs. Okay, bear with me,
Speaker 2: and I think provoke and insight are two of them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they all mean some version of like one thing
Speaker 2: comes after the other provoke, insight, instigate, Yeah, don't you
Speaker 2: think like and then they are used almost interchangeably, but
Speaker 2: it's just.
Speaker 3: Kind of syn andyms sort of.
Speaker 2: But not but they're not exactly symtems. Don't you think
Speaker 2: like instigate and provoke or not. But it's like you
Speaker 2: house how like how you use them is almost like
Speaker 2: a power move to show how much it's like using
Speaker 2: the word dichotomy correctly. It's like even using the word
Speaker 2: perform one.
Speaker 3: Of my comfort it's it's a real comfort.
Speaker 2: It's a real and I.
Speaker 3: Have some comfort vocab words. And my mom has a
Speaker 3: really good vocabulary and uses a lot of like weird
Speaker 3: words I would say, and so I definitely have my
Speaker 3: comfort vocab words. And every now and then someone be like, okay,
Speaker 3: like you really use that word, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: what do you want me to do?
Speaker 2: Like sorry, to shake it up.
Speaker 3: A little bit.
Speaker 1: More from the world.
Speaker 2: Perpetuate pet that's.
Speaker 3: An important one. That sound also sort of like not condescending,
Speaker 3: but you can sound sort of like or like kind
Speaker 3: of holier than now, Like it's like I wouldn't want
Speaker 3: to propetal exactly because you're you're mostly trying not to
Speaker 3: being yourself.
Speaker 2: If you are pro perpetuation, you hate to leave. Look
Speaker 2: in the mirror, you're literally Donald Trump, don't perpetuate.
Speaker 1: I hate perpetuate.
Speaker 2: I say, walk out the door on are my pet
Speaker 2: peeves perpetuating.
Speaker 3: Same, I'm against, but then sometimes I'm doing it.
Speaker 1: And that's what you. Knowing that you know your superpower.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's exactly.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: Perpetuating and knowing that you're perpetuating is a superpower. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's the topic. Good mind, you love to stop,
Speaker 2: don't hate perpetually, hate perpetuate.
Speaker 1: I have a confession though. My ear has not popped
Speaker 1: since the airplane last night. That's tough. And this has
Speaker 1: never happened to me in my life. It feels like
Speaker 1: I'm wearing headphones and it's crazy.
Speaker 3: And you've you've tried pulling, You've tried blowing, You've tried blowing.
Speaker 1: I've not tried pulling.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I up pull the ears like themselves.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you can blow and pull the
Speaker 3: same time. But the poll feels good. Sometimes does at
Speaker 3: least feel.
Speaker 2: Good to pull. It actually feels amazing. Yeah yeah, but
Speaker 2: then it doesn't happen fully. That's the pulling is like
Speaker 2: brief relief.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to hold it down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you have to just play. Hey, guys, welcome
Speaker 2: to my wedding like I do. Buddy, how's it going? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Should we we should talk about what we were talking
Speaker 1: about before.
Speaker 2: Obviously, also please welcome tailor so much.
Speaker 1: So, we were talking about how I'm getting gay married
Speaker 1: this weekend.
Speaker 2: And in fact, by the time you the listener are
Speaker 2: listening to this, Sam will be married.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But we were talking about how there's a flood
Speaker 1: of gay wedding which we don't know if that's is
Speaker 1: that a trendler or are we just a different age.
Speaker 3: I think I have no idea. I well, oh no,
Speaker 3: my brain went to a crazy place. Well, okay, so
Speaker 3: I don't know if how online y'all are or whatever.
Speaker 3: But like, like a lot of the lesbian pop stars
Speaker 3: are like.
Speaker 2: In becoming straight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're becoming straight, and in some ways it feels gay.
Speaker 3: Joe just hit me straight and in some ways it
Speaker 3: feels totally trad Fletcher, But like they're becoming straight. And
Speaker 3: I do wonder if it's like if there's no possible
Speaker 3: way for you to become straight, if like kind of
Speaker 3: being like we'll do some of the Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, getting married is gig guy version of becoming straight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's such a good point.
Speaker 4: Participating like family, come see it, you can come see it.
Speaker 3: I come see see it. And they're gonna love that
Speaker 3: they're seeing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they really Damn it's really like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well there's also a way in which thirties are
Speaker 2: twenties for the LGBTQ plus community of course. So all
Speaker 2: these milestones, not just marriage, but like deciding to focus
Speaker 2: on your career. Straight people have been doing that at
Speaker 2: like twenty four, right, they're saying, I'm going to open
Speaker 2: that bank account.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't think hitting the open MIC's hard? Was
Speaker 1: focusing on your career?
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well well no, that's more chasing your dreams and
Speaker 3: chasing your dreams and becausing on your career people think
Speaker 3: are the same thing, but they're diametric.
Speaker 1: Thank you for not perpetuating that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no way, you had a chance to perpetuate and
Speaker 2: you opted not to.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to. I didn't feel right. Wow, I
Speaker 3: do think you're way too young to get married.
Speaker 2: No, you're a child bride.
Speaker 3: You're way too When you said that, I was like, no, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: there is.
Speaker 1: Also it's one thing that I'm it's the big thing
Speaker 1: with gay marriage too, is it's like every gay guy
Speaker 1: on earth is in an open relationship. Yes, so there
Speaker 1: is like the weight is different in a way that
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not sure how to like grapple. Like
Speaker 1: the normal language around a wedding is sort of like
Speaker 1: confusing to apply.
Speaker 2: Yes, what do you say? It's both it's paradoxical, not
Speaker 2: to perpetuate using the term paradoxical. So on the one hand,
Speaker 2: it is quote unquote less of a big deal to
Speaker 2: get married if you're open, because you're not actually changing
Speaker 2: anything about your behavior. On the other hand, considering marriage
Speaker 2: is like not a necessary thing for you to do.
Speaker 2: It's a bigger deal because you could just as well
Speaker 2: not do it, So it's a real like choice, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Sure, So that I think is
Speaker 2: what's sort of confusing about it. Everyone like is there
Speaker 2: at the wedding and doesn't know how big of a
Speaker 2: deal it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean. Well, if they're straight,
Speaker 3: that they should be assuming it's a just as big
Speaker 3: a deal.
Speaker 2: But even gay people will be like congrass. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: do you guys like want kids? Is that what you're doing? Like,
Speaker 2: tell me why is it like a tax thing?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean it's probably feels like absolutely amazing to be
Speaker 3: like my husband, this my husband that you know, I think, yeah.
Speaker 2: That rocks. Do you romanticize that?
Speaker 3: I never ever did in my whole life, And I
Speaker 3: guess I still don't. Like this is horrible, but that
Speaker 3: when I think of a wedding for myself, I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 3: that sounds like I can't plan a trip. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: plan a wedding Like that does sound really daunting and
Speaker 3: like crazy. But when I just think about if I
Speaker 3: think about, like, okay, me and my partner, like the
Speaker 3: very moment getting married, like that's sweet. I'd romanticize that
Speaker 3: with the like individual person, yes, But when I try
Speaker 3: to make it practical in my mind, I go, oh.
Speaker 2: Well, it's in terms of the trip comparison. I think
Speaker 2: it's easier to plan a wedding than a trip because
Speaker 2: it's where you live, like pick your favorite bar, right,
Speaker 2: You're done.
Speaker 1: Well. It's also it's more like a solo show than
Speaker 1: a trip.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I mean unless you're doing like yeah, if
Speaker 2: you're getting married on the Amalfi Coast, like absolutely, that's
Speaker 2: going to be hard to go ahead and be talk. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even know where it began to be. I
Speaker 2: was like no one to recommend No, I didn't know
Speaker 2: the right venue. Yeah, I don't. I don't know anything
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 3: I would rather die than go to the Mafee coast
Speaker 3: and get like married at like a venue like everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's so like tired, like that place is so bad before.
Speaker 2: You leaves, and she looks exactly like you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she seems more basic, like I look basic right now,
Speaker 3: but like actually my life I'm cool.
Speaker 2: So that was really really painful. I you said something though,
Speaker 2: that was interesting, which is like the idea that we
Speaker 2: would want to say the phrase my husband. Here's my
Speaker 2: take on that. I think the only appropriate phrasing of
Speaker 2: my husband or my wife is a woman saying my wife.
Speaker 2: That is the only time I don't I'm serious, That
Speaker 2: is the only time I don't cringe because got it.
Speaker 2: Straight woman saying my husband, I'm like, you're trapped.
Speaker 3: I literally get a little nervous.
Speaker 2: Straight guy saying my wife, I'm like, don't talk about
Speaker 2: her like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Hey, guys saying my husband, I'm like, are you Republican?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But a woman saying my wife, You're like, finally I
Speaker 2: feel safe for me.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm wanting to like code switch when I
Speaker 1: say boyfriend and husband, because like, say I'm in if
Speaker 1: I'm with like like people at this job, for example,
Speaker 1: who aren't like comedians, like more exec types, I want
Speaker 1: to be like my husband so they're like, oh you're
Speaker 1: not just something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah totally.
Speaker 1: And then like or like in a hospital, I want
Speaker 1: to be like, this is my husband, so it's like
Speaker 1: you have to take him seriously.
Speaker 2: But with my girls, I want to be like, this
Speaker 2: is my boyfriend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, any second, of course I'm young, I'm.
Speaker 2: Then I will say, you'll notice this after you get married.
Speaker 2: You just like simply can't say my boyfriend because it's inaccurate.
Speaker 2: You just like, can't you have to do partner or something.
Speaker 1: It's my guy?
Speaker 2: It would yeah, Like it feels so crazy to say
Speaker 2: my boyfriend. And so what I have ended up doing
Speaker 2: is like unintentionally almost rolling my eyes while saying my husband.
Speaker 2: Every time people like do you not like him? I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: like I love him, but you know, a husband.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: When I was like seven, the idea of saying my boyfriend, like,
Speaker 3: I'm like, some day I'm going to say my boyfriend
Speaker 3: and I'm going to be like forty like you when
Speaker 3: you're a little kid and you have no idea what
Speaker 3: age is. I just thought the most adult thing you
Speaker 3: could do is have a boyfriend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: Not even husband didn't even cross my mind. I was like,
Speaker 3: imagine a woman with a boyfriend like that is just
Speaker 3: so classy.
Speaker 2: Here's a question for you. You meet a woman she's
Speaker 2: fifty five, Yeah, she says, my boyfriend, what are you thinking?
Speaker 3: You know what am I thinking? I really think it
Speaker 3: really depends on what I think, totally it is because
Speaker 3: I know if she parties, I'm sort of like, you've
Speaker 3: never been married, or you've been married like five times.
Speaker 3: It's like one of the other. Yeah, my boy, it
Speaker 3: really Yeah, it depends on where, what city she lives in,
Speaker 3: what kind of shoes she's wearing.
Speaker 2: It's a friend on your own biases and misogyny and
Speaker 2: like because sometimes, like we're talking about gray hair, Yeah,
Speaker 2: sometimes you see someone with gray hair and without realizing it,
Speaker 2: you're having ageous thoughts. It's the same with a fifty
Speaker 2: five year old woman saying boyfriend. Suddenly you don't even
Speaker 2: realize that you're like spinster Spencer war.
Speaker 3: Don't tell anyone stuff like that. Give that to yourself.
Speaker 1: I have obviously always wanted to ironically use the word husbar.
Speaker 1: I think that is one of the funniest.
Speaker 3: Like you're introducing that to me.
Speaker 2: No, I love that that is it's one of those
Speaker 2: rms that only exists in Instagram captions.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. So what type of gay person would you use?
Speaker 1: So like a bear like visiting Dallas would be like
Speaker 1: I had the most amazing time with the husbar in Dallas.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, and but then okay, but.
Speaker 2: They live in Atlanta. But yeah, they live in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: They're visiting Dallas.
Speaker 3: Is your husband? Will your husband be a hus bear?
Speaker 3: Technically not a little bear? A little bears.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because you know Sam is known for loving bears.
Speaker 2: It's true. Okay, I would say your husband is not
Speaker 2: like textbook definition.
Speaker 1: No, he he he transcends category.
Speaker 2: He does transcend.
Speaker 1: He's sort of a he's a larger twink. We called
Speaker 1: him because he's hairless and a bear.
Speaker 2: Usually thank you for the elephant in the room. Is
Speaker 2: that he's hairless.
Speaker 1: He's hairless, okay, and he has sort of like dream
Speaker 1: boy hair like on his head.
Speaker 2: It's like teen heart throw. He really looks especially when
Speaker 2: he does his hair a certain way, like looks like
Speaker 2: a teen heart throb in a you know not w B.
Speaker 2: I'm majoring my shoulf.
Speaker 1: Show.
Speaker 3: Thank god, Spinster, thank god you have husband righting.
Speaker 2: Literally i'd be undatable, but that's but he's still bigger.
Speaker 2: So it's that combo, got it?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: What I don't know that there's not that's crazy. There
Speaker 3: wouldn't be a term for that yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, well, it's just still.
Speaker 3: So much room to grow, right, That's so beautiful. I
Speaker 3: just feel like gays are so quick to label each
Speaker 3: other totally, we're because of jumping at it constantly. So
Speaker 3: that actually shocks me that there's like a type of
Speaker 3: hot guy that doesn't have a name.
Speaker 2: Yet there is.
Speaker 1: Like a there is. I think it's a rare. It's
Speaker 1: rarer than you would think to be hairless, you know.
Speaker 3: And what happens sort of what I'm like, what is
Speaker 3: going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you think to be annoyed me? What? Oh?
Speaker 2: Misha? Yeah, I was like, I'm not annoyed. He's like,
Speaker 2: don't just perpetrate the myth that I'm annoyed. Wait, also
Speaker 2: that perpetuating the either perpetrating the myth or the narrative.
Speaker 2: If you're perpetuating a narrative, you should be in prison.
Speaker 3: What else is there to perpetuate?
Speaker 2: I think narrative, myth, perpetrating the idea. I think a
Speaker 2: bit pedestrian, but you can do it. Ooh pedestrians, good, pedestrians,
Speaker 2: really good? Should we do our for a segment?
Speaker 3: I think we should, Taylor.
Speaker 1: Our first segment is called Straight Shooters, and in this segment,
Speaker 1: we're going to ask you a series of rapid fire
Speaker 1: questions to gauge your familiarity with in complicity and straight culture.
Speaker 1: It's basically this thing or this other thing. And the
Speaker 1: only rule is you can ask any followup questions or
Speaker 1: we'll scream at you, which will feel so natural to
Speaker 1: you amazing.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you'll probably let me really motivate me. Okay, Taylor,
Speaker 2: failing the capture or preparing the macha.
Speaker 3: I do need to ask a question. I'm thinking what
Speaker 3: straight I can't Okay, failing the.
Speaker 1: Capture, Okay, losing the thread or making the.
Speaker 3: Bed, making the bud.
Speaker 2: The end is near or your uber is here?
Speaker 3: Your uber is here?
Speaker 1: LGBTQ or l m n O p.
Speaker 2: Lgbtq being sexist or supporting Brexit, being.
Speaker 1: Vivica a Fox or Smoky the Bear.
Speaker 2: Fox, baked beans, ripped jeans, or Howard Dean's famous scream
Speaker 2: baked beans.
Speaker 1: False prophets or wall sockets, oh, false profits. Wow.
Speaker 2: So we rate our guest performance on the scale of
Speaker 2: the row to one thousand doves.
Speaker 3: Okay, oh okay, yeah, yeah, I know this.
Speaker 2: I'm like really bullish on this one. Really, yeah, please
Speaker 2: lead the way. I think this is like over nine
Speaker 2: hundred wow, And I have reasons. Okay here, I think
Speaker 2: you entered the space of like sitcom level facial expressions
Speaker 2: that I had not seen up to this point on it,
Speaker 2: and it was you were literally being like the bitchy
Speaker 2: sister in like not even Stevens because that's because actually
Speaker 2: I think she could have used more facial expressions Ren Stevens, Well,
Speaker 2: I would say it was more of a Chelsea on
Speaker 2: That's so Rayvent type performance.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: You're really like showing a lot with your face and
Speaker 2: I hope people are watching rather than listenings to get
Speaker 2: the full experience.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I've been told I'm very expressed.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I actually think especially in this game, it
Speaker 2: really worked for you, because obviously this game is us
Speaker 2: doming our guest, Like we're the ones saying literally being like,
Speaker 2: look at these funny rhymes we wrote, and you have
Speaker 2: nothing to do, Like, all you have to do is
Speaker 2: pick one that we already said. So you found yourself trapped.
Speaker 2: You were like, how do I make this performance more impactful?
Speaker 2: And you were like, I have to go face. I
Speaker 2: have to go all face.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a more controlling person than I want to admit,
Speaker 3: and at the end of the day, I love to
Speaker 3: over explain and when I can't, I guess I'm using
Speaker 3: my face to do it. Because I started out being like,
Speaker 3: what is more straight? And then I found myself kind
Speaker 3: of getting kind of just letting myself get lost in
Speaker 3: the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's good. You know, it's sort of about transcending
Speaker 1: labels and yeah, totally just you know, being you.
Speaker 3: I said, I have to quiet my mind for a
Speaker 3: minute and just like actually pick whatever my internal needle
Speaker 3: is pointing to.
Speaker 2: And I think that to perpetrate a narrative. The narrative
Speaker 2: of this game to me is like in real time,
Speaker 2: realizing binaries are not good because you think it's about
Speaker 2: choosing one or the other. It's actually about what facial
Speaker 2: expression you make while speaking, like it doesn't matter which
Speaker 2: one you choose.
Speaker 3: And I don't even know what, Like obviously one of
Speaker 3: us know what our own facial expressions look like.
Speaker 1: That's true, Just so that's actually really scary.
Speaker 3: Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: I've noticed that I have such a go to that
Speaker 1: is not something I'm proud of, and you're coaching that
Speaker 1: I wish I could break.
Speaker 2: Is I go like, that's cute?
Speaker 3: Wait, that's cute. It makes you like a cartoon.
Speaker 1: It's a very cartoony. And I can't stop like I.
Speaker 3: Can do that. I don't think I can. You could
Speaker 3: do it. I can't do that.
Speaker 2: You can't do a sad face. Oh yeah, that's good.
Speaker 2: You look like him when she's playing the base.
Speaker 3: That it feels like, I know, I think I'm I'm
Speaker 3: doing I'm pushing it too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys, what if that was your if your
Speaker 2: default expression was stim that would be tough. Do you
Speaker 2: ever think she tried to change I actually think it's
Speaker 2: the opposite. I think she thinks she's so. First of all,
Speaker 2: we love him and want them to come on the podcast.
Speaker 2: I just want to make that clear.
Speaker 1: Let's start there.
Speaker 2: But no, I actually think, as we've said before, she's
Speaker 2: a comedian at heart, and I think she loves that.
Speaker 2: She's the funny one.
Speaker 3: I saw it recently. I saw the basepace recently and
Speaker 3: I said, oh, she's leaned into it.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, the venues have gotten larger, so you have
Speaker 1: to project.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, the smile has to be truly, like from
Speaker 2: ear to ear. She's she's like the movie smile. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, they should do the movie smile, but instead
Speaker 2: of the smile, it's behind space face.
Speaker 3: And everyone.
Speaker 2: Are you familiar with the Heims sisters generally?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I this is really I when I first heard them,
Speaker 3: I saw it was meeeing them live. They were opening
Speaker 3: This is twenty eleven. I think they were opening four
Speaker 3: Mumford and Sons. And I paid ticket holder to that event.
Speaker 3: You know what, whatever, the songs were good, I don't care.
Speaker 1: And calling yourself a paid ticket holder makes it seem
Speaker 1: like you were paid to go there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were. You were a crisis actor.
Speaker 3: I found it on the Craigslist. They were like, please
Speaker 3: need people to come to this Philly Mumfort and Suns show.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: I was so excited to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was twenty eleven or twenty twelve, and I was like,
Speaker 3: who are these girls playing all these drums?
Speaker 2: Yes, the drums were because I saw them in like
Speaker 2: probably after You unfortunately, but like twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen
Speaker 2: and the drum break. Yes, I was like, these girls are.
Speaker 3: Going somewhere very impressive.
Speaker 2: We have a game that no one likes where we
Speaker 2: it's like fuck Mary kill. But it's three things and
Speaker 2: you have to say which one is Alana, which one
Speaker 2: is Danielle, and which one is st okay, And of
Speaker 2: course now that I brought it up, we have to
Speaker 2: give one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, here's okay, okakay, Yeah, regular coke, diet coke,
Speaker 1: coke zero.
Speaker 3: Oh fuck, that's really good okay to me. I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna go with my gut. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm questioning it.
Speaker 3: I think SD is obviously coke zero, and that's my
Speaker 3: most obvious totally yes. And then I was kind of
Speaker 3: flip flopping on these, but I do think actually that
Speaker 3: I was going to go the other way. But I
Speaker 3: think Danielle is regular coke. I completely agree, yes, and
Speaker 3: then Alana is cooke cookes hera I mean die yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's based on like not only the the product
Speaker 3: itself and the reception, but also the cans. I'm basing
Speaker 3: a I'm basing a little. You have to there's such
Speaker 3: a such a strung.
Speaker 2: And I actually think those three cans correspond to how
Speaker 2: the three sisters are always dressed like a little alike
Speaker 2: but with their own personality, Like they would if they
Speaker 2: were soft drinks, they would literally look like that.
Speaker 3: They would have to do it that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, agree, like similar palate. But you know, one is
Speaker 2: a short skirt, one is a pant, one is like
Speaker 2: asymmetrical skirt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Tina Knowles, Yeah, well
Speaker 2: they're very Tina Knowles actually designs all their costumes and
Speaker 2: of people, China knows designed that little bikini top they
Speaker 2: were when they did the dance that everyone loved.
Speaker 3: Yes, she was in a rush that day.
Speaker 2: Tina wanted each of them to be different, but that
Speaker 2: days was like, I cannot a fabric to do the
Speaker 2: entire Renaissance tour and these fu Hims sisters.
Speaker 1: Like, Okay, you're just gonna match.
Speaker 2: You're just gonna match.
Speaker 1: Should we get into the topic, yes, yes, So tell
Speaker 1: us what topic you've brought today?
Speaker 3: I would today, I would like to talk about game nights.
Speaker 3: I feel like the more gay my community has become,
Speaker 3: my circle has become, and moving to LA it became
Speaker 3: even like I would say, ten million times gayer. I'm
Speaker 3: not really going to game nights anymore. I'm sort of not.
Speaker 3: And I didn't know if that's because I was single
Speaker 3: for a while and what it was, But I do
Speaker 3: think it's like gay people, they're not doing game nights.
Speaker 2: When you were going to game nights, describe it.
Speaker 3: For us, it was sort of like if it was
Speaker 3: a very much a couple's thing, okay, and it would
Speaker 3: usually be like hosted by like a straight couple who
Speaker 3: had like a nice apartment they lived together.
Speaker 2: You were in a couple at the time.
Speaker 3: At the time, I was in a couple, yet with
Speaker 3: what gender of person with it was a lesbian relationship.
Speaker 3: But what I will say is it was I've been
Speaker 3: trying to describe My partner is six years younger than me,
Speaker 3: and I've been trying to describe to them lately how
Speaker 3: there were like no lesbians in New York in twenty
Speaker 3: eighteen or whatever.
Speaker 1: The things.
Speaker 2: You're so no, You're literally so right.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, no, you don't understand, Like there weren't
Speaker 3: any lesbians. And it's like if you weren't here, you
Speaker 3: wouldn't know, but like there weren't any. So it's kind
Speaker 3: of like, yeah, we were going to a lot of
Speaker 3: we're hanging out last week, Well so maybe like one
Speaker 3: other lesbian couple, you know. And I think that that
Speaker 3: was a time where yeah, I was going to a
Speaker 3: lot of organized like I do think like they're like
Speaker 3: organized hangs or very much a thing, and games happened
Speaker 3: to be an easy way to do that.
Speaker 2: Wow, I could do an hour. We could do an
Speaker 2: hour on how there were no lesbians in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: Well it's something where you're like I fully think that
Speaker 1: is true. Yeah, and it's like but there's no way
Speaker 1: to prove it.
Speaker 2: Well you can't.
Speaker 1: I can't prove it.
Speaker 2: Here's what you remember. This like a running joke, especially
Speaker 2: when we were touring, was like I am always staying
Speaker 2: with my lesbian couple of friends in every city because I,
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, have a lot of loves being a
Speaker 2: couple of friends. It's like one is in Bosson, one
Speaker 2: is in Berkeley, one was in Philly or whatever, and
Speaker 2: I was like wait, if I was out of town,
Speaker 2: who what lesbian couple would I stay with in New York?
Speaker 2: There were none?
Speaker 1: Yeah, where as I mean I've said that New York
Speaker 1: is for gay guys in Las for Leslie, it.
Speaker 3: Is, yes, and it's it is so wild, it's so true.
Speaker 3: And now there's like a little bit more like gen
Speaker 3: Z has really like shaken things up finally. But when
Speaker 3: I I when I came out, I feel like me
Speaker 3: and like I would say, a handful of friends came
Speaker 3: out and it felt like wow, like everyone's lesbian now
Speaker 3: and it's so small in comparison to like even today.
Speaker 3: And but like before before I came out, truly there
Speaker 3: was like one couple absolutely holding it down for years.
Speaker 3: There was like one lesbian couple and I really am
Speaker 3: like what were they? And I go, what were they do?
Speaker 3: Who are they hanging out with? George Bush? Now we know,
Speaker 3: but we know it really is. Yeah, it was really crazy,
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was doing we were, Yeah, we were
Speaker 3: hanging out with And I love my straight couple of friends.
Speaker 3: Of course, remember like who they were, what they're up?
Speaker 3: You know, but maybe they're all gay.
Speaker 2: Now A huge part of your twenties is going on
Speaker 2: group trips with straight couples.
Speaker 3: Yeah, up state, Oh MyD because that's the only place
Speaker 3: to go.
Speaker 1: I almost find it kind of sad because you're like,
Speaker 1: you do want to make it work. You're like, so
Speaker 1: we have different sexualities. Who cares?
Speaker 2: Who cares? That's the nineties.
Speaker 1: It's the nineties, everyone's bisexual. And then you're like, no,
Speaker 1: it's like a it's like an inherent difference, Like the
Speaker 1: things we want to do are so yeah.
Speaker 2: No. You're at the trip and you're like, who cares,
Speaker 2: and they're like, so, we're gonna make lasagna. Everyone get
Speaker 2: in line like you do the you do the sauce,
Speaker 2: and you're like whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.
Speaker 3: And when you're a trip with gay people, it's like, yes,
Speaker 3: people are still making lasagna, but they're also like showing
Speaker 3: each other their tops urgery cars.
Speaker 2: They're showing each other the top cars and also are
Speaker 2: wildly different and poppers are being passed around at the
Speaker 2: lasagna table when you are like passing the food from
Speaker 2: one person or the other.
Speaker 1: It's also like there's gonna be nudity in some compes,
Speaker 1: and with the straight couples it's like, no, we're going
Speaker 1: to bed.
Speaker 3: Now, that would be oh my god, if there was,
Speaker 3: like if there was a connudity on a straight couple
Speaker 3: trip the way, that would be totally just so inappropriate.
Speaker 3: I would never speak to everyone's families.
Speaker 2: Here's what happens on a straight it's nighttime, you're watching,
Speaker 2: you're rewatching Anchorman. Let's say someone goes, I'm going to
Speaker 2: bed because I have to wake up early tomorrow for
Speaker 2: a run. Yeah, I have to wake up early for
Speaker 2: a run.
Speaker 1: Whereas especially a gig eye trip, they are also waking
Speaker 1: up really for a run, but you don't know how
Speaker 1: they did it. Yeah, you're like, it is shocked so
Speaker 1: much to drink.
Speaker 3: And I don't like that that when that's happening either.
Speaker 1: It's like really scary.
Speaker 3: I don't support that either. I but agree, I think
Speaker 3: it's like and also it's like, is there even I
Speaker 3: take back what I said about lasagna. I don't know
Speaker 3: that there's dinner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or it's like really minimal tacos, like one piece
Speaker 2: of tempe on a tortilla.
Speaker 3: Yes, a cabbage salad, cabbage salad.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So what kinds of games are we talking when
Speaker 2: we talk game night?
Speaker 3: So I do think like you had said that you
Speaker 3: had you had spoken sort of about like tabletop games,
Speaker 3: which I do think so I think that still happens.
Speaker 3: I get a little I don't like having the rules
Speaker 3: explain to me. I like to play. I'm a competitive person,
Speaker 3: but I gotta sit through the rules. It's just kind
Speaker 3: of like, well I ever learned this, but then more
Speaker 3: frequently also jack box, jack box culture, jackbox games, which
Speaker 3: I do. Here's the thing I am not this is
Speaker 3: not coming from a critical place because if I have
Speaker 3: to hang out with like a couple people's boyfriends, it
Speaker 3: is sort of like there's probably gonna be maybe one
Speaker 3: that I'm actually like vibe with. So it is kind
Speaker 3: of like, yeah, we need an icebreaker, totally, we need
Speaker 3: an icebreaker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's no shame in that. Like I would
Speaker 2: rather have the icebreaker and be like I cannot believe
Speaker 2: I'm playing who know mm hmm, then literally be talking
Speaker 2: about the weather.
Speaker 1: I even on a gay trip, I find that like
Speaker 1: when you're on day three, it's like bring out jackbox,
Speaker 1: Like we need something to.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, I'm playing skip bo like all the time
Speaker 3: with lesbians. Yeah, but we're sort of doing it like
Speaker 3: I'm at a bar, and we're kind of like, do
Speaker 3: we want to do around? You know, yeah, I want
Speaker 3: to do a quick skipbo or something. But I think an
Speaker 3: organized game night is a little bit like I'm bringing
Speaker 3: like a little six pack and I'm we're going and
Speaker 3: I don't really know everybody, and I'm going to We're
Speaker 3: all going to get to know each other sort of.
Speaker 3: And none of them are drinking games, which is fine.
Speaker 1: Which is fine.
Speaker 2: I actually had an experience recently where I was watching, uh,
Speaker 2: what's Benny's show called Overcompensating. Yeah, I was watching over
Speaker 2: Compensating and they were playing some either flip Cup or
Speaker 2: beer Pung or something. And I really shocked myself because
Speaker 2: I was like legitimate. I was like I want to
Speaker 2: do that. Yeah, oh I crave it. So I was like, wait,
Speaker 2: I love flip Cup.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Did you play it in college? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, I want to do That's so bad.
Speaker 2: There are other things that are like triggering because they
Speaker 2: remind me of just like where I was at at
Speaker 2: twenty one or nineteen or whatever. But for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: I really have only positive associations with drinking games, such.
Speaker 1: Positive sociations with both flip Cup and beer pong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it should be triggering, it should be like yeah,
Speaker 1: And I.
Speaker 3: Was so like, actually, yeah, it's a bad time in
Speaker 3: our lives.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I did really like the games.
Speaker 2: Well so far.
Speaker 3: Usually too, it's sort of like, oh, what party is
Speaker 3: going on? Not everybody has to play the game. I
Speaker 3: don't like, we have to play the game.
Speaker 2: I agree. You know what else, that's so true.
Speaker 3: You know some people are kind of playing a little
Speaker 3: flip cups, So people are having a conversation over here,
Speaker 3: some people are you know. That feels nice to me.
Speaker 2: It has the air of sports without you having to
Speaker 2: actually be athletic. And I actually think you would think, oh,
Speaker 2: drink games are so straight at so Freddy, here's the thing,
Speaker 2: I'm just as good at flip cup as a football player. Right.
Speaker 2: How many things can I say that about that are
Speaker 2: like masculine seeming.
Speaker 1: Totally well and similar. Really, there's something. The fondness I
Speaker 1: have for it is because I was like friends with
Speaker 1: the Brouses, like say.
Speaker 2: For that like half hour game recognized game. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: and they would maybe put their arm around you like
Speaker 2: this and be like my guy, oh it's all I
Speaker 2: ever wanted.
Speaker 3: We were sort of having different I think experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and then you and then we would
Speaker 2: flip Yeah.
Speaker 3: I guess it is kind of like flirty to be
Speaker 3: like like we're playing flip cup together, like we're playing
Speaker 3: like or like I don't know how to how do
Speaker 3: you play this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm such a totally hideous or something. I think
Speaker 1: part of the board game thing is there's a built
Speaker 1: in like safety, like it's sort of like this night
Speaker 1: will only get so crazy, like yeah, I kind of
Speaker 1: like this is something I struggle with with Los Angeles. Yes,
Speaker 1: this podcast is half about where every night, like before
Speaker 1: you even get there, you know what the end time is.
Speaker 3: Eleven, Yeah, it's eleven.
Speaker 1: And literally clear like and so that's sort of why
Speaker 1: people are like, well, why would I even go because
Speaker 1: I know it's going to end.
Speaker 3: It eleven attending at eleven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so like a BOYD game is that all
Speaker 1: the time where it's like this is going to be
Speaker 1: a structured two hours, yeah, and then we're going to
Speaker 1: go home. And I hate knowing.
Speaker 3: That I live with in LA with a friend who
Speaker 3: is and I know she tries to play a cool game,
Speaker 3: a little game obsessed, and definitely I would say competition obsessed,
Speaker 3: you know, And so people don't know. But when she
Speaker 3: brings out a game, I see that glint in her
Speaker 3: eye that she's barely containing sort of an incredibly competitive spirit,
Speaker 3: and I do not I don't mind when she pulls
Speaker 3: out a game. I will say, though, that one time
Speaker 3: we were here in New York, which she has ever
Speaker 3: lived here, she was like a Chicago person who moved
Speaker 3: to La. Everything's ending really early, okay, But this girl
Speaker 3: has the spirit to absolutely persevere through days and days
Speaker 3: and days no sleep, okay. The most active person I've
Speaker 3: ever met. And so when we would come to New
Speaker 3: York on these little short trips, it was like we
Speaker 3: were to like six in the morning. I went, I
Speaker 3: didn't do that when I lived here. I don't need
Speaker 3: to be out that late, you know. And we were
Speaker 3: up one day at a friend's house and it was
Speaker 3: four am, and I was like, it's time to go
Speaker 3: to pack it up, and She's like, let's do one
Speaker 3: quick quick ground of anomia. No okay, And we did.
Speaker 3: Everyone was down for it, and listen, I got my
Speaker 3: head in the game. I got into it. We played
Speaker 3: a little bit. I was sort of like, that's so
Speaker 3: bold to bring out a game at four am and
Speaker 3: and to have the like her influence, to have the
Speaker 3: influence and this sway to get people to agree with
Speaker 3: that no question that people.
Speaker 1: Went, yeah, I mean that is shocking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a very persuasive person.
Speaker 2: I can tell. But I'm sort of like that that
Speaker 2: to me reads more gay. I'm like, she's gay. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like that. It's like, folks, she's gay. Yay, I think
Speaker 2: she's out. You're outing her. The issue with what makes
Speaker 2: Game Light straight is the obsession with structure and end
Speaker 2: time and like this idea, this very sort of like
Speaker 2: parent like idea, like I just want everyone to have fun. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like bringing out juice boxes for everyone. It's like
Speaker 2: being the mom after the soccer game.
Speaker 3: And I like that's comforting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's comforting. And it's also a fear of the unknown,
Speaker 2: Like it's like, what could happen if we start talking
Speaker 2: suddenly we're talking politics. We can't have that, so we
Speaker 2: have to blame monopoly.
Speaker 3: Right, And I will say though, there's always one boyfriend
Speaker 3: or husband who really cares about the rules. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: I'm really competitive, but I also I really think I
Speaker 3: strike sort of an amazing balance of someone who follows
Speaker 3: the rules. I don't cheat, but I like to have fun.
Speaker 3: And if I notice someone kind of cut in a corner,
Speaker 3: it's like, I want not fun. I actually don't care
Speaker 3: if I win. I'm you know, I'm winning a lot,
Speaker 3: but I want to have a good time. I want
Speaker 3: to have a fun night. I am mature enough to
Speaker 3: understand that it's sort of like barking at someone that
Speaker 3: we don't really know that well, it's like a crazy
Speaker 3: thing to do, and it's going to shift the vibe
Speaker 3: in sort of like a treacher to a treacherous extent.
Speaker 3: And I think that, yeah, I think there's always like
Speaker 3: one boyfriend who's kind of like.
Speaker 1: Can we go?
Speaker 2: Can we go back?
Speaker 1: Would we?
Speaker 3: And I'm sort of like, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 3: know you like that, can we Just.
Speaker 1: The way that this has happened to me in a
Speaker 1: crazy like I'm just trying to play this game and
Speaker 1: someone's like no, no, no, and I'm like, I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to play the game. I'm this is my first time.
Speaker 1: I'm learning the rules, like.
Speaker 3: And what will happen should I win unjustly? What will
Speaker 3: really happen? Like what who's gonna do Who's gonna do
Speaker 3: what to me?
Speaker 2: So this is interesting. Games are combined two things that
Speaker 2: are actually kind of opposite rules, a sense of play,
Speaker 2: and I think that is the gay to straight to
Speaker 2: gay spectrum. It's like, are you playing? Is game night
Speaker 2: a rules based game night? Or is game made a
Speaker 2: sense of play based game?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Wow, because I think you can have like a really
Speaker 2: fun like playing Quiplash and everyone writing you know, literally
Speaker 2: every single entry is the f slur. That's a sense
Speaker 2: of play, and.
Speaker 3: I like Jackbox for that. It kind of keeps like
Speaker 3: the you can't cheat really so that's good.
Speaker 1: Yet and yet some people find a way to get
Speaker 1: upset at literally Quiplash to be like mine was funnier.
Speaker 3: I know, and like and I have that feeling sometimes
Speaker 3: where I go that was a better mind, was a
Speaker 3: better joke.
Speaker 2: You know when people win Quiplash because of anti humor,
Speaker 2: I get so upset and like, I put all the
Speaker 2: work into doing this wordplay and you want because yours
Speaker 2: is like poop, Yeah, like a smile a smiley emotion.
Speaker 3: Yes, And I'm kind of doing both. Yeah, Like I'm
Speaker 3: really I'm really reading the room and I'm going what
Speaker 3: will win me the right, So I'll do that. I
Speaker 3: don't care if I start to see that working, I'm
Speaker 3: changing my strategy.
Speaker 1: Ideally, the whole group, you know, it has more of
Speaker 1: an improve mentality, and everyone finds the similar voice, but not.
Speaker 3: Always No, no, I want. This is like so sad
Speaker 3: that this is a memory I returned to a lot.
Speaker 3: But years ago, I was dating this guy and he
Speaker 3: took me to play games quip blash games with his
Speaker 3: mod team, and I was absolutely murdering. Yeah, okay, I
Speaker 3: was killing and people were like full body laugh, you know,
Speaker 3: and I was getting and I was just kind of like,
Speaker 3: and I'm not sort of seeking validation in those ways
Speaker 3: anymore obviously, but I remember at the time it felt amazing,
Speaker 3: like my face was probably fully flushed, like it's really bad.
Speaker 3: And he dumped me. Can you believe?
Speaker 2: Well, obviously men are threatened by a powerful and funny
Speaker 2: and smart woman. Do you know if you didn't want
Speaker 2: him to dump you, you should have been like, I don't know, pink.
Speaker 3: I said everything I possibly could to prevent that from happening.
Speaker 3: Are you kidding? I told you having a boyfriend was
Speaker 3: like paramount for me. I really was not about for
Speaker 3: us too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I the times Misha, my soon to be husband, is
Speaker 1: like good at quip blash.
Speaker 2: He's like a funny guy.
Speaker 1: But comedians will get upset because they're like, well I
Speaker 1: do this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well that is the issue with quiplash is sometimes
Speaker 2: if it's a not to get to in the weeds,
Speaker 2: sometimes if it's a mixed comedian non comedian group, it
Speaker 2: actually can be even more detrimental than straight people making lasagna. Right,
Speaker 2: Like we're talking friendships are going to be ruined.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it really reminds you. And I say this
Speaker 3: all the time, and it's one of the most annoying
Speaker 3: things that I say. It's that like we don't even
Speaker 3: really know who the audience is. You know, we think
Speaker 3: that we think of the audience as each other. But no, no, no,
Speaker 3: there's a whole audience out there. Okay, who don't they're
Speaker 3: not participating in making art, they're just there to enjoy it.
Speaker 3: And what they're laughing at, I have no idea, very different.
Speaker 2: I'll never Yeah, what are they laughing at?
Speaker 1: Who knows? Who knows?
Speaker 2: Let's think, No, are they laughing at SD's comedy routine.
Speaker 3: That they they don't know?
Speaker 2: They don't know who s This is actually something we've
Speaker 2: realized more and more is that no one knows more
Speaker 2: of whe people hate that segment. Yeah, people hate that
Speaker 2: segment because they're like, who are they again?
Speaker 1: Well, by now we compared the like casual French rest
Speaker 1: like fast casual French restaurants to the him.
Speaker 2: Sisters Paris Spaghette.
Speaker 1: That's way harder than people were, like, no one knows
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, Like the restaurants.
Speaker 3: I think it's like that's very New York, right or.
Speaker 2: Like but don't you think we're not doing like you know,
Speaker 2: Baltazar and the odeon, like you have a bump pen
Speaker 2: in Boston.
Speaker 3: Like Boston is another major metrical and to answer question,
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 2: Mall and airport places like we're not you know, we're
Speaker 2: not doing like actually like a French restaurant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, Okay, I have to ask this question. Please.
Speaker 1: The the thing with the game night Ever since childhood,
Speaker 1: I have you know, fantasized of course about sort of
Speaker 1: a oh we're playing strip poker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, playing like I'm glad you brought up strip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think like lgbt's across this great nation would
Speaker 1: be embracing sort of strip gameplay, and yet never in
Speaker 1: my life has this come about.
Speaker 3: Well, sometimes I do find like I feel like once
Speaker 3: you get into your thirties year start of like you're
Speaker 3: starting to like cross back into like now that's not
Speaker 3: appropriate anymore. Yeah, but I will find in like be
Speaker 3: in like full queer friend groups. Sometimes this is getting older.
Speaker 3: But like sometimes I go, oh, this is getting a
Speaker 3: little scary. How comfortable we're getting, Like this is actually
Speaker 3: getting a little scary. How come everyone can't kiss or
Speaker 3: some things because it can slow down, you know. I
Speaker 3: find myself getting more like kind of normy. But then
Speaker 3: if you take it, but I've come full circle because
Speaker 3: when I was in say like middle school or something,
Speaker 3: if I was at a party very rarely where people
Speaker 3: were playing Spin the Bottle or whatever, I was panicking.
Speaker 2: No, for sure, my first kiss was spin the model.
Speaker 3: And many is I think that's kind of so cute
Speaker 3: and romantic.
Speaker 2: Now I agree.
Speaker 3: At the time, I was like I can't be that,
Speaker 3: but like I know then I didn't get kiss. I
Speaker 3: was fifteen, so that's it's like jump in becau is
Speaker 3: not that old. I had my chance in eighth grade, though,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, eighth grade is thirteen, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess thirteen fourteen.
Speaker 1: My first kiss was in eighth grade.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's cool.
Speaker 3: That's really cool.
Speaker 2: Mine was ninth grade. So I'm starting right between the middle, you.
Speaker 3: Guys, I was. I was in tenth grade. Like, that's crazy,
Speaker 3: Like I was.
Speaker 2: Starting to it social you know, you should not tell me.
Speaker 3: People were sortingly talk to me in a different way
Speaker 3: where I went. But I'm missing out. I'm like missing
Speaker 3: out on something and people can tell. And that was
Speaker 3: getting scary. So I affixed it. But it was crazy.
Speaker 2: Here's my theory about strip poker and spin the model. Actually, Okay,
Speaker 2: the straight thing is because you are so terrified of nudity, intimacy, whatever,
Speaker 2: you have to make a game of it and you
Speaker 2: have to like play with your own fears about it.
Speaker 2: Whereas the reason gay people don't play, uh, strip poker
Speaker 2: is because they're already like making eyes that the person
Speaker 2: they want to going into the other room and having sex.
Speaker 1: Yeah, while everyone else there's not really the necessity for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's almost like because the potential exists so much,
Speaker 3: Like I was not really in straight spaces, being like yeah,
Speaker 3: I would fuck a bunch of people here, Like, no,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. They disgusted me kind of vibes, And so
Speaker 3: I if I was in a room full of like
Speaker 3: a lot of my queer friends, like I can't tell
Speaker 3: you how many times, it's like my brain is just
Speaker 3: putting up a boundary. If I were to think about
Speaker 3: it for more than two seconds, I always the answer
Speaker 3: is always.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: Like, so, the potential for sex exists in a way
Speaker 3: that you actually have to You can't be playing spin
Speaker 3: the model and stuff all. You can't be like making
Speaker 3: it so easy that all of a sudden everyone's having
Speaker 3: sex with each other.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy away, absolutely. And that's another thing is
Speaker 3: that queer people are When food Platter made me think
Speaker 3: of this, queer people are having legitimate sex parties.
Speaker 1: You know, we have this our house right now, We're
Speaker 1: in this back house and it's gore, and we had
Speaker 1: like a small pool gathering. We have a pool that
Speaker 1: we only share with our way lord. It's Georgina, and
Speaker 1: we had like seven gay guys over and everyone's question
Speaker 1: was do you have sex parties here?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And it was like, wait, when did this become so normal.
Speaker 3: They're like, would you want to host? Wouldn't you feel
Speaker 3: comfortable hosting?
Speaker 1: And now it's all I can think about. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what we need to host? We need a host kind
Speaker 1: of host.
Speaker 3: I know. The last time I had friends go to
Speaker 3: a sex party like in La I was, I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, like I have to get invited to that,
Speaker 3: like what is going on? And then when they recounted
Speaker 3: it back to me, I said, never mind, I'm going
Speaker 3: to sounds.
Speaker 2: I know, my FOMO of sex related things I'm not
Speaker 2: interested in is at an all time high. People will
Speaker 2: describe something I may I'll be like, that is not
Speaker 2: for me. That is literally not my kink, that is
Speaker 2: not my preference. Why was I not invited?
Speaker 3: My big fear exactly, I want to be invited so
Speaker 3: bad for my fantasy of it. But then my biggest
Speaker 3: fear in us in a group sex scenario is making
Speaker 3: ever making anyone feel bad that I don't want to
Speaker 3: have sex with them. I am to have sex with me,
Speaker 3: but I'm like, I truly am like my biggest fear
Speaker 3: is like I can't even be in the space because like,
Speaker 3: what if there's someone I don't want to have sex
Speaker 3: with them.
Speaker 4: I have to be like like, sometimes animal brain, I
Speaker 4: think to like almost pick someone you don't want to
Speaker 4: have sex with, well, of course, want to have sex
Speaker 4: with everyone except you.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm like, once I, once I decide
Speaker 1: I don't want to have sex with that person, it's
Speaker 1: like it's over. I can't.
Speaker 2: Well, because that makes them forbidden. You forbade, You made
Speaker 2: them forbidden, so then that makes them hot to you?
Speaker 3: Literally, and then why did you kind of why did
Speaker 3: you have such a big reaction?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Is it because you want to have sex with them?
Speaker 2: Right, it's actually the bigness of the reaction rather than
Speaker 2: whether it's positive or negative. It's like suddenly that person
Speaker 2: is instilled with a certain light.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like actually, do they make me really horri ezactly?
Speaker 3: Because there's a lot of people that I can't even see,
Speaker 3: like I don't totally you know, those are the people
Speaker 3: I'm probably not gonna have sex with. But it's like
Speaker 3: someone who I'm literally like I'm sort.
Speaker 2: Of like all right, well hold on, yeah.
Speaker 3: Is it just like am I being judgmental that they're
Speaker 3: wearing a harnessed or does that kind of turn me
Speaker 3: on a little.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, here's the other thing. Okay, New York orus
Speaker 1: LA what this podcast is mostly about. Yeah, in New
Speaker 1: York sex parties are like in some warehouse somewhere. People
Speaker 1: in LA asking me if I host parties. It's because
Speaker 1: they're all house parties.
Speaker 2: This is why I pause said that, because I was
Speaker 2: like refoilating my mind. I was like, to host. I
Speaker 2: understand that people also host in New York, but there's
Speaker 2: something so seventy is about hosting a part in your
Speaker 2: apartment that's so like key party or something. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I but I guess in LA, you just have
Speaker 2: to go to someone's house.
Speaker 3: The problem though, is that when I imagine that I'm imagining
Speaker 3: like we're sort of it feels that like you're at
Speaker 3: someone's house and it feels though it is not it
Speaker 3: feels spontaneous, because like, yeah, you can't have like you
Speaker 3: can't have thirty people or something at your house and
Speaker 3: not have a little consent talk and like a here
Speaker 3: are the rules and like here's what's going on. Like
Speaker 3: you to kind of, I guess do that, but of
Speaker 3: course that it almost feels like it's like, oh, you're
Speaker 3: ruining my fantasy. Of the spontaneity, and when I had
Speaker 3: a friend explaining it to me, they were like, yeah,
Speaker 3: like I went over to help set up and like
Speaker 3: put like some like plastic and like sheets down, and
Speaker 3: I was sort of like.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, not plastic.
Speaker 3: I feel like the person hosting needs to be like,
Speaker 3: if my couch gets round, it gets ruined. I have
Speaker 3: a lot of money for a couch, Like, I think
Speaker 3: it just needs to We need to do what we can,
Speaker 3: though it is not to make.
Speaker 2: It feel Also, I'm sorry, but putting plastic down to
Speaker 2: me reads so la.
Speaker 3: I know to me it reads very actually long island.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not quite in the same for the
Speaker 3: same reasons, but yeah, I know. And so for that reason,
Speaker 3: I think I'm I'm out on like big queer sex
Speaker 3: parties for now. For no please don't please keep me
Speaker 3: in the loop.
Speaker 2: Yet I sort of am like there's gonna be I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have a second wave of being interested when I'm
Speaker 2: like forty five, and I'm going to be like this
Speaker 2: is who I am is the new chapter of my
Speaker 2: sexual life.
Speaker 1: I listened to this podcast with some fifty year old
Speaker 1: woman who wrote an article about refinding her sexuality in
Speaker 1: middle age, and I was like, Oh, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: so me. I can't wait. It could be well, I
Speaker 1: feel like you've want I just want to find it double.
Speaker 2: You want to find a double A.
Speaker 3: Oh right, that could be generational. Yeah, I think we
Speaker 3: might have. We might be already done it.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's no, that's a really good point.
Speaker 1: It's so crazy to be one of the horniest guys
Speaker 1: on earth and then be like I can't wait to
Speaker 1: find my sexuality.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like we might have dug around, but we
Speaker 3: kind of dug through what is left for me to discover.
Speaker 2: I want to bring something into the into the conversational space,
Speaker 2: which is Cards against Humanity.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: I hate that you're bringing that up.
Speaker 3: Because I don't think I've ever even played it.
Speaker 2: Really, you don't have cousins or yeah, what's the deal?
Speaker 3: We were like more of like an apples to apples
Speaker 3: younger than you.
Speaker 2: All.
Speaker 3: My cousins are my age, but we're sort of too
Speaker 3: old for Cards against Humanity. But then like, like I.
Speaker 2: Feel like we're the exact right age when it came
Speaker 2: out when we were like in college, got it? Don't
Speaker 2: you think right roughly because I am so. I guess
Speaker 2: the only reason I bring it up is because to me,
Speaker 2: it's so emblematic of the larger narrative of games being
Speaker 2: straight or gay, where if you need straight people need
Speaker 2: structure to be witty and random, yes, whereas a gay
Speaker 2: person is already going to say a slur.
Speaker 3: That's why I feel because this humanity feels so straight,
Speaker 3: because it's like it's kind of naughty.
Speaker 2: Exactly, It's kind of like it's naughty, but it was
Speaker 2: already written down on a car that you're picking. Just
Speaker 2: say like the baby fell down the stairs, and then
Speaker 2: I know, there you go, you don't know.
Speaker 3: And then even that becomes like such a brand of
Speaker 3: humor that makes me like feel like such a hater.
Speaker 3: It really makes me hate and it's so and it's
Speaker 3: the only absolute, only exception to that is the millennial
Speaker 3: urge to joke about nine to eleven. Like I'll let
Speaker 3: any sort of yeah nor me kind of person throw
Speaker 3: a nine eleven in there and'll be like, you know, like.
Speaker 2: Go for it, whatever, you know you love a nine
Speaker 2: to eleven.
Speaker 3: It makes me feel closer to my peers. I think
Speaker 3: it's put like a weird way. Like I think we
Speaker 3: do it in a really irreverent way and it's so
Speaker 3: tired now to joke about nine to eleven. But I
Speaker 3: also think it's like I can't think too hard about it,
Speaker 3: but like, yeah, we're probably traumatized, Yeah, our childhood, you know,
Speaker 3: to be that young and might be processing that. It's
Speaker 3: like we're probably so traumatized that we're kind of claiming
Speaker 3: it and being like I'll be joking about this for
Speaker 3: the rest of the life, you know. Yeah, it unites.
Speaker 1: Us cartians humanity. It's like I'm just realizing that, like
Speaker 1: hr rules apply to most day to day like straight
Speaker 1: socializing spaces, which is why there's sort of like locker
Speaker 1: room talk even because it's like you have to be
Speaker 1: like in a space where only like the boys are
Speaker 1: to like actually have a conversation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to hear like someone's boyfriend, Like,
Speaker 3: do you play Cards against Humanity?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: Cards against Humanity is like strip is like intellectual strip poker.
Speaker 2: It's like in the way that strip poker, you're like,
Speaker 2: this is a safe space to literally take off your
Speaker 2: pants and show your gross tidy whities. Cards against Humanity
Speaker 2: it's like you can make a fat joke and no
Speaker 2: one's going to be mad at you, which we know
Speaker 2: is all You've been wanting to do this all the time, And.
Speaker 3: When you see someone get too excited, it's the same feeling.
Speaker 3: It's sort of the same thing of like play.
Speaker 5: It cool hot, Oh my god Jesus, like you would
Speaker 5: like when you see the Glee, it's sort of like
Speaker 5: I can't possibly do this, and.
Speaker 3: You always know the place that's coming from. You can
Speaker 3: always tell.
Speaker 1: Me it's on the cards.
Speaker 2: There's also something that jokes. It's like I don't want
Speaker 2: to be such a snowflake that I'm like that doctu
Speaker 2: are homophoic. But the Glee with which, for example, people
Speaker 2: will pick an AIDS joke in Cards against Humanity, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's all it's all jokes that
Speaker 2: are like things we are technically not allowed to make
Speaker 2: fun of because of PC culture. Yeah, but because we
Speaker 2: are in this wreck room we can.
Speaker 1: I they owe like ten percent of everything they've ever
Speaker 1: made to South Park. Yeah, because to me, it's also
Speaker 1: just like they just took that sense of humor and
Speaker 1: put it on cards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but also South Park. Not to defend South.
Speaker 3: Park, but please, I would like for you to.
Speaker 2: And also as someone who has recently been rewatching actually
Speaker 2: watching Family at for the first time and really enjoying
Speaker 2: it except for a few really, really bad moments.
Speaker 1: This was me watching South Park last No, no, this
Speaker 1: is me watching Family Guy last night in the hotel room.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you were not enjoying, not even.
Speaker 1: A little bit.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 1: I completely like they'll They'll make like the most random
Speaker 1: joke of all time.
Speaker 3: I can't get into it either, but I do like
Speaker 3: I do, and I haven't probably watched South Park in
Speaker 3: a goo a couple of years, but I remember, I
Speaker 3: at least remember having the experience, and maybe it's college
Speaker 3: of being like their geniuses.
Speaker 1: I was dragging upon South Park.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so Mark was my favorite.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's incredible.
Speaker 2: I wonder what it is south I need to try
Speaker 2: South Park as an adult because I remember when I
Speaker 2: was a kid and everyone would watch South Park. I
Speaker 2: did not get it. I was like, this is too
Speaker 2: like it's almost like cringe or something like, it's it's
Speaker 2: too awkward cringe humor, and it made me feel bad.
Speaker 2: Whereas Family Guy, there was something about I could grasp
Speaker 2: onto what it was satirizing, which was like the family sitcom,
Speaker 2: and that gave enough context that I felt like I
Speaker 2: had something to grasp on to For me, south Mark
Speaker 2: felt nilis I guess what I'm saying, But that's.
Speaker 3: Like I like it to what I do. Think they've
Speaker 3: changed the way that they like it evolved over time,
Speaker 3: Like I do think South Park used to be at
Speaker 3: like in the beginning, I think it was sort of
Speaker 3: like shocking for the sake of it in a lot
Speaker 3: of ways, and then they started to like it started
Speaker 3: to be more like commentary and get really clever, and
Speaker 3: they were like really really smart about it in a way.
Speaker 3: We're like, damn, that's like a really good episode of
Speaker 3: a what a great.
Speaker 2: You know, all right, I'm gonna go home and watch that.
Speaker 3: I think probably right, I.
Speaker 1: Think you should. I also with family, it's hard not
Speaker 1: to like just be like, this is just Seth MacFarlane,
Speaker 1: Like it's like one egotistical man. No, it is right,
Speaker 1: So it's hard sometimes to to enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Seth McFarlane is such a fascinating figure in both straight
Speaker 2: and gay culture, don't you think because he is in
Speaker 2: because think about great he is literally he's obsessed with
Speaker 2: musicals and show tunes. He like put out an album
Speaker 2: of like jazz standards.
Speaker 1: It's got us.
Speaker 2: He's so he like what he really wants, what he
Speaker 2: really wants is to be a cabaret star. It's like
Speaker 2: how Donald Trump wants to be a like Broadway producer
Speaker 2: and wants to produce cats, like Seth McFarlane wants to
Speaker 2: be like in a suit with a little whats called
Speaker 2: top thank you with a top hat and a little cane.
Speaker 2: I mean like that, that that and like hosting the
Speaker 2: Tony's he could today. I know, in fact he has
Speaker 2: hosted the Oscars.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I feel like he could do that,
Speaker 3: like immediately to me, that's how as an outsider I perceive.
Speaker 2: But then it's like for his mode of expressing that
Speaker 2: to be a non PC animated comedy is so like
Speaker 2: taking the game and making it straight kind of.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's even when he did host the Oscars, this
Speaker 1: is the exact thing he made the joke about. He
Speaker 1: did the song the song and danced about booths, about boobs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally. And it was like, but don't you
Speaker 2: think that, No, no, I agree, and that and that
Speaker 2: was bad. But that is what's so fascinating. It's like
Speaker 2: you have this gay instinct to do a show tune
Speaker 2: about actresses and then you but then you're like, fuck,
Speaker 2: I can't be gay. I'm gonna make it about their boobs.
Speaker 3: It does seem yeah, like a kind of a weirdly
Speaker 3: closeted Yeah, it's crazy to make it work, but also
Speaker 3: that could be a real person, like and it is
Speaker 3: because like I think it's like if I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't understand what being gay in Hollywood is like,
Speaker 3: even as a gay person in Hollywood, Like.
Speaker 2: What is it's literally like you think you learn the
Speaker 2: rules and then someone will be like, by the way,
Speaker 2: don't come out literally truly genuinely.
Speaker 3: I remember when I got like I kind of came
Speaker 3: out like right before I started like getting work, and
Speaker 3: then I started getting work, and my girlfriend at the
Speaker 3: time was sort of like right, but like obviously like
Speaker 3: you can't be like gay in Hollywood, and and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, like I already. I was like I
Speaker 3: already came out, but I feel like I have sort
Speaker 3: of like really broad appeal, like I think I had
Speaker 3: like Julie Roberts appeal. And she was like, no, like
Speaker 3: you no, you won't because you came out and I
Speaker 3: was like, why wouldn't you like tell me that before
Speaker 3: I came out and let me make the choice. I
Speaker 3: think you should have brought this up to me, like
Speaker 3: because I didn't know, So I think you should have
Speaker 3: brought this up to me before I made the choice officially,
Speaker 3: and maybe I would have stayed closeted and like dated
Speaker 3: had like a beard, you know. But it's too late, So.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can honestly still kind of go back
Speaker 1: in people.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, I've worked. Yeah it's happening now. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: happening now. Well it's been so interesting because in a
Speaker 3: way I have and then in a way I don't
Speaker 3: think that I have in that like, uh, my partner
Speaker 3: is a trans guy, and so I've been doing a
Speaker 3: lot of like my boyfriend, my boyfriend, my boyfriend, and
Speaker 3: yet and I think I would like some credit for that.
Speaker 3: I think I would like some.
Speaker 2: Do you want some credit?
Speaker 3: I think I would like some credit for like she's like,
Speaker 3: oh she is she straight?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: I think I would like a little bit of like, yeah,
Speaker 3: let's play it both ways a little bit maybe, but
Speaker 3: when you go in that direction, it kind of feels
Speaker 3: like it's like, well, you can't really do you know,
Speaker 3: you can't go back?
Speaker 2: Yeah, My friend Mattie has a joke that's like she
Speaker 2: first identified as by and was in a lesbian relationship
Speaker 2: and then her partner transitioned, and the punchline of the joke,
Speaker 2: which I'm gonna butcher, is like, you really can't escape
Speaker 2: your fate as a bye girl to have a boyfriend,
Speaker 2: like everything in my.
Speaker 3: Power, you're getting one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll be getting one.
Speaker 3: And it does and it is and it obviously still
Speaker 3: functions really gay, but the terms I'm using, I'm sort
Speaker 3: of found myself letting it absolutely rip with straight friends
Speaker 3: and straight relationships just being sort of like our guys, right,
Speaker 3: like straight girls stuff, And you can tell that they
Speaker 3: don't see it the same way, but they don't. They
Speaker 3: know they're not allowed to sort of be like it's
Speaker 3: not the same, it's different like that you could tell
Speaker 3: that they're not and I'm like, right, girls were the same,
Speaker 3: functions the same.
Speaker 2: Wow, this is very like have you seen a Stepford
Speaker 2: Wive's remake when Chicole Kid?
Speaker 3: Mean, of course I have.
Speaker 2: There's like there's one gay couple, but they're clearly like
Speaker 2: one is the man and one as the woman. Yes,
Speaker 2: and the and the like, butch one is with the
Speaker 2: men like complaining about their wives.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah it is, and sometimes it is like that sometimes,
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes it really is like that, Like I
Speaker 3: wouldn't want even if I were like how to like
Speaker 3: assist boyfriend, I wouldn't want a boyfriend that I could
Speaker 3: like cueen out with or something like that would be that's.
Speaker 2: The most like TikTok things I need to clean out,
Speaker 2: you can clean out with.
Speaker 3: I need I need a What are they like when
Speaker 3: buy wife energy was a thing like yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: need that. I need like I need a bitchy boyfriend for.
Speaker 2: Sure, boyfriend. It's like we were talking about there must
Speaker 2: be women. We've already talked about this, but there must
Speaker 2: be women who's fetish is a gay guy, and so
Speaker 2: they make their straight boyfriends like act gay.
Speaker 3: Yeah they make them. Yeah they're making on me. Okay,
Speaker 3: those guys are so excited. I feel like it's so
Speaker 3: funny how like a girlfriends are such a safe space
Speaker 3: for boyfriends to just be Like when you were like
Speaker 3: I think like labels or whatever you were saying, like
Speaker 3: labels are like whatever, they're detrimental, and it's like they
Speaker 3: literally are. It's so crazy the way I've seen and
Speaker 3: it's been a long time since I've had assist boyfriend,
Speaker 3: but the unclenching that happens when they're able to sort
Speaker 3: of like really a couple months in be this genderless
Speaker 3: thing that assist man becomes when he has a long
Speaker 3: term girlfriend that loves him.
Speaker 1: This is so interesting. I've never considered this in my life.
Speaker 1: I've never thought about the metamorphosis of a man in
Speaker 1: a relationship with a woman.
Speaker 3: Is it is?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like essentially like when a gay guy has
Speaker 1: an older sister.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, yeah, straight man having a girlfriend is
Speaker 2: like gay men having an older sister.
Speaker 3: Yes, it brings out a beautiful side of them. It
Speaker 3: brings out something really, really beautiful and gorgeous.
Speaker 2: It's so interesting because the conventional narrative is like men
Speaker 2: almost it's like having a girlfriend or a wife firms
Speaker 2: their masculinity. That's the conventional narrative. So and that's why
Speaker 2: you know, quote unquote in cells are so unhappy because
Speaker 2: they have nowhere for their masculinity to go. But you're
Speaker 2: actually and here I'm looking for a word you are
Speaker 2: interrogating that like, oh wow, by saying no, a straight
Speaker 2: man having a girlfriend or wife actually allows him to
Speaker 2: put to become genderless. Yes, yes, and that and that's
Speaker 2: why in cells are more masculine. They need someone, they
Speaker 2: need somewhere to put their masculinity.
Speaker 3: It depends on what you think masculinity means totally. Oh,
Speaker 3: I always think of like as someone who you know
Speaker 3: has had experience like to me, yeah, I think that's
Speaker 3: really true. I think of like, obviously, gay guys are
Speaker 3: like the most masculine because I think that you're being
Speaker 3: really honest about, uh, your desire for like a partner
Speaker 3: who is masculine, like a masculinity a partner, which I
Speaker 3: do think a lot of straight guys want or are
Speaker 3: attracted to masculinity. Sure, it's I think a lot of people.
Speaker 3: I think, like, obviously, because of the patriarchy like society,
Speaker 3: we're all attracted masculinity. Everybody is gay, people like all
Speaker 3: like lesbian's everybody like to some degree is And so
Speaker 3: you are kind of like I think it's like so
Speaker 3: honest to be like, I'm a guy who wants a
Speaker 3: guy like that's as masculine as you can get. And
Speaker 3: then it's sort of like, yeah, if you're you're what
Speaker 3: do you mean you're dating a woman?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, what do you mean? What do you mean?
Speaker 3: Like you're like you're what do you mean you're using
Speaker 3: her shower products? I don't know. I'm like always, I
Speaker 3: think I've never had a boyfriend who wasn't excited to
Speaker 3: do like girly things with me.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: And to admit also to admit that you love a
Speaker 3: woman is like, That's why I'm like always, like fem
Speaker 3: for fem relationships really blow my mind, Like you're.
Speaker 2: Powerful and that is really powerful.
Speaker 3: That's so powerful. I really wish I could be at
Speaker 3: a fem for firm relationship and it's just never naturally
Speaker 3: really found me. Oh really yeah yeah, I think it
Speaker 3: was just really common. It's like a very rare type
Speaker 3: of lesbian you know, to do that.
Speaker 1: Well, then why are they all over my TV screen?
Speaker 1: Can I?
Speaker 2: You know it's so interesting?
Speaker 1: If it's so rare, then why is that the one
Speaker 1: in films?
Speaker 3: You wait a minute, it's a good cue.
Speaker 2: Okay, hear me out, go with me on this. There's
Speaker 2: this horseshoe theory where it's like fem for frem relationships
Speaker 2: are both the male fantasy of like two chicks making out,
Speaker 2: but then also horseshoe around the most empowered Yes women yes,
Speaker 2: who are like we are forms that we are rejecting
Speaker 2: all masculine, but.
Speaker 3: Also sort of like the male fantasy of that is
Speaker 3: like two straight feminas, right, like two women who are
Speaker 3: doing the very sort of like a male gayzy sort
Speaker 3: of like whatever fem for fem in lesbian terms is
Speaker 3: like you have to think chapel roone, you have to
Speaker 3: think like a girl.
Speaker 2: With a for them don't exist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, And it's like it's very much. It's it
Speaker 3: also is that full circle thing of now we're doing
Speaker 3: like it's almost like when I think like high femme lesbian,
Speaker 3: it's a it's like drag a little. It's a little
Speaker 3: drag and you can it's also very clockable like a
Speaker 3: very fem gay woman. You can tell, you know, because
Speaker 3: there's almost because there's something about straight men where they
Speaker 3: go not too much, don't too too much, you know,
Speaker 3: so when you see too much, you go that's for
Speaker 3: a girl. That's they're looking. They're looking to trap a girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, men, it's more sweatpants, hair tied.
Speaker 3: Chill, no makeup on, because they're very men, straight men,
Speaker 3: and they live in a straight men live in a
Speaker 3: scary world where girls are constantly trying to trick them
Speaker 3: and trap them. It's crazy, they are trying to trick
Speaker 3: and trap those guys. Make up? Who did that? Who
Speaker 3: invented that? Absolute ruse? I used to be really.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: I went through a phase where I loved to watch
Speaker 3: YouTube videos by like old men talking about how not
Speaker 3: to get tricked in the Philippines.
Speaker 2: Whoa?
Speaker 3: And it was very much like what do you mean
Speaker 3: trick toney? What do you what are you doing over there?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, what do you mean tricked?
Speaker 3: Like you're like to do like weird sexual tourism and
Speaker 3: then just be like she doesn't necessarily love you. It's
Speaker 3: very like ninety day not ninety yeah, ninety fiance or
Speaker 3: something where it's kind of like you looked for something,
Speaker 3: you found it, and then you're like mad when it's
Speaker 3: transactional and.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like whoa, it.
Speaker 3: Is what it is. But I love guys, and I
Speaker 3: love guys too.
Speaker 2: I love guys, and I actually think we need to
Speaker 2: have a conversation about masculinity in this country.
Speaker 1: Well, should we do our final segment? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Any final thoughts on game night?
Speaker 3: I could have been a game night. How I feel
Speaker 3: about sex parties where it's like I'll probably say no,
Speaker 3: but I would like to be in Like Kempton, I
Speaker 3: feel the.
Speaker 2: Same way, and I will say yes one out of
Speaker 2: every twelve times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be like, who's going to be there?
Speaker 1: If like the dinner party leading up to the game
Speaker 1: is really fun, I'll do it.
Speaker 3: Oh, they're feeding you sometimes. Oh, sometimes I have to
Speaker 3: get married. It's like a whole different world.
Speaker 2: No, you gotta try it.
Speaker 1: I probably don't have a single game in my house.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think if I do. I don't think
Speaker 2: I do either. We did it? You have one?
Speaker 3: Well in La? Yeah, because I live with the games.
Speaker 2: Girl rare.
Speaker 3: It's not your fault. If you're not, it's not And
Speaker 3: we're never touching them. I'll be honest. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: we got one pack of cards we're using and that's
Speaker 3: pretty much it.
Speaker 2: It's a little more fun.
Speaker 3: Soshi go, Yeah, Soshi, I played, I've played.
Speaker 1: Our final segment is called shout outs, and we pay
Speaker 1: homage to the grand straight tradition of the radio shout out,
Speaker 1: shouting out to anything that we are enjoying. People place
Speaker 1: those things ideas, we make them up on the spot. George,
Speaker 1: do you have one?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, you kick us off.
Speaker 2: What's up, cinephiles and the letterbox users. I want to
Speaker 2: give a shout out to the film Happiness by Todd Salons,
Speaker 2: which I had never seen before in my life. And
Speaker 2: there's a new four K restoration and it was playing,
Speaker 2: and there was a Q and A with Todd Salons,
Speaker 2: who is a kooky guy afterwards and whatever happened to
Speaker 2: Laura Flamboyle, Whatever happened to Laura Flamboyle talk about talk
Speaker 2: about how women with long black hair like her guests
Speaker 2: are persecuted.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll say, maybe where is she?
Speaker 1: Where is she?
Speaker 2: She is one of the great actresses of her generation.
Speaker 2: She and she's competing with some of the greats in
Speaker 2: that movie, and she's holding her own. She's so funny,
Speaker 2: she lands every punchline. It is a masterpiece. Beginning to end.
Speaker 2: Tot Salons cannot get any funding rate now, and yes,
Speaker 2: partly that's because he's kind of a crazy character, but
Speaker 2: it's also because our industry is dying and we actually
Speaker 2: need to rebuild it from the bottom up, and we
Speaker 2: need to bring back Laura Fla and Boil and she
Speaker 2: needs to be in a new film written and directed
Speaker 2: by a kind of crazy mail outeur. And that is
Speaker 2: my final request.
Speaker 3: I would love to see that.
Speaker 1: I would love to see it as well.
Speaker 2: Have you seen Happiness?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Have you No? It's like crazy.
Speaker 3: Do you know the I just heard someone talking about
Speaker 3: this too.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like back in theaters. Yes, it's from like
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight, but it's like one of the early
Speaker 2: phillipsy Moore Hawkmann performances. Dylan Baker is in it and
Speaker 2: he plays.
Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, someone was just talking about that, Yes, he says, Okay,
Speaker 3: I know, and no one had mentioned Laura Flinn.
Speaker 2: Will doesn't get the respect.
Speaker 1: Yes ahead, okay, what's ups and perverts around the globe?
Speaker 2: I want to give a huge shout.
Speaker 1: Out to having a plane tradition, a tradition for when
Speaker 1: you're on an airplane. For me, I have been for
Speaker 1: the last few years every time on an airplane, I'm
Speaker 1: watching Curb Your Enthusiasm. I have never seen Curby your
Speaker 1: Enthusiasm on land. I only see it in the air,
Speaker 1: and now it brings up like a memory of all
Speaker 1: the other times I've traveled, because it's something I do
Speaker 1: every time I want an airplane. I don't know who's
Speaker 1: in charge of putting on different seasons of curby your
Speaker 1: enthusiasm on the planes, but they deserve a raise because
Speaker 1: every time I want a plane, Season four, season six,
Speaker 1: he's dead. It's completely random how they decide what season
Speaker 1: is on at any given time, and yet I've never
Speaker 1: seen the same episode twice. I'm jumping through time. It's
Speaker 1: one of the most It's so comforting to watch on
Speaker 1: a plane. I think due to you're just sort of
Speaker 1: like in a space of discomfort anyways, You're like, okay,
Speaker 1: why not just lean into it and be kind of
Speaker 1: cranky with with layer And I think, whatever your plane
Speaker 1: tradition is, you need to find for yourself. But this,
Speaker 1: for me, I start watching to enthusiasm. I say, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be okay, I'm on a plane. I love it. Wow.
Speaker 3: And that's not a feeling a lot of people are
Speaker 3: having on the plane.
Speaker 2: No, per the door is.
Speaker 3: Falling off, all the doors and the explosions and whatnot.
Speaker 1: For that type of stuff which is rampant.
Speaker 3: Don't watch the recent season of the rehearsal if you're
Speaker 3: getting on a plane.
Speaker 2: It actually did make me afraid of landing.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, and we won't get into it too much,
Speaker 3: but the re enactments where you see the plane like
Speaker 3: land incorrectly and immediately burst into flames.
Speaker 1: It's very scary.
Speaker 3: The first time I got on a plane after watching
Speaker 3: the first couple episodes, when as we were landing, I
Speaker 3: just my brain automatically filled it in with like and
Speaker 3: then we catch on fire.
Speaker 1: I'm also just like I cannot my brain tries to imagine,
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, okay, maybe if I like, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: think about what it would be like to be on fire,
Speaker 1: I can like get used to the idea and no,
Speaker 1: what would this look like? Like like I'm on fire
Speaker 1: and I'm wearing headphones, what are they melting?
Speaker 3: And you're watching curbs sort of Oh my god.
Speaker 2: They're melting into your head ill It's like it's crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I better die fast.
Speaker 1: I don't think you do.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think you wait.
Speaker 3: That's kind of iconic in a sort of like a
Speaker 3: beetlejuice or I'm like a deeper color, like a wrist
Speaker 3: cutter sort of way. A movie where that you see
Speaker 3: how people died, like you would have your.
Speaker 2: Very final destination. Yes, like you know when they die.
Speaker 1: But yeah, when they die in the Cutters reference.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, not not a lot of people referencing listcutters,
Speaker 3: but it's it's one of it's part of the cannon
Speaker 3: of movies or shout out, hey, shout out to movies
Speaker 3: where they have that take place in the afterlife at
Speaker 3: least partially and you can see how the person died.
Speaker 3: The sixth sense, the Beetlejuice Movies, Risk Cutters a love
Speaker 3: story full title. It's one I recommend a lot. I
Speaker 3: haven't seen it in years. I hope it's good, but
Speaker 3: I think it's probably really good.
Speaker 1: Probably.
Speaker 3: I think it's a really good, really clever, cute movie
Speaker 3: for something that's pretty dark.
Speaker 2: Actually yeah, well wow, so many film, film and television recks.
Speaker 1: Of course. No, there's like a specific era of indie
Speaker 1: movie that it's just like when I was in college,
Speaker 1: so I was watching indie movies, yes, where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, there's only ten indie movies. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's just the ten that we're.
Speaker 3: At that month two year period and it's a little
Speaker 3: if I recall, it's a little twee, you know, there's
Speaker 3: a sure, it's a bit, it's a tad.
Speaker 1: If you like Risk Cutters a love story, you may
Speaker 1: have tickets to the Mumford and Son The Power that
Speaker 1: I've seen I'm in twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hower that Juno and little Miss Sunshine have over
Speaker 2: are exact demographic. No, it's crazy, Yeah, because Elliott Page
Speaker 2: is like a like I especially in you Are he
Speaker 2: lives in the West Side, and it's like you have
Speaker 2: no well, actually he probably does have an idea of
Speaker 2: people probably come up to him all the time. But
Speaker 2: it's like Juno changed the game.
Speaker 1: It did a huge way.
Speaker 3: It did. It also was a lately I've been coming
Speaker 3: back around like there was that first wave of sort
Speaker 3: of like shame of aging about like you know, and
Speaker 3: like of like gen Z are kind of more like
Speaker 3: the main demographic right now, and I feel old and
Speaker 3: our things are old. And then sometimes I'll talk to
Speaker 3: people younger than me and it's kind of like, oh man,
Speaker 3: it like sort of does rock to be a monniole,
Speaker 3: Like it actually is amazing, Like one time someone was like,
Speaker 3: you guys are so lucky you had like Britney Spears
Speaker 3: Club era in college, or.
Speaker 2: Like that's true, it's so true.
Speaker 3: Like G six and stuff like like we just still
Speaker 3: till the world is oh husha, Like there's just so
Speaker 3: many phases of our like childhood and young adulthood, that
Speaker 3: it's kind of like God that did rule and it
Speaker 3: was scary, but it ruled.
Speaker 1: The worst part is I well and so soon. I
Speaker 1: remember being in college and being like Bad Romance coming
Speaker 1: out and being like, wow, I'm in college with bad Romance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like this is something that not many people get to have.
Speaker 2: I actually felt that way about spring seeing spring Breakers
Speaker 2: in theaters, I was like, fuck God.
Speaker 3: Things were just for us and it felt the good.
Speaker 1: Oh that was awesome. Yeah. Well, Taylor, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for doing the podcast. Thank you for horrible at
Speaker 1: the job of promotion. I don't know if there's any
Speaker 1: places with any and all things?
Speaker 3: Is there any all things? Out of the trip? Watch
Speaker 3: Please watch Another Simple Favorite on Amazon Prime and four
Speaker 3: seasons on Netflix and Ghosts on Hulu if you want to.
Speaker 1: She's multiplatform trying to get on all the platforms, and.
Speaker 2: We don't have time, but obviously off my gift to
Speaker 2: tell us which of those is Stu? Which is Daniellen?
Speaker 3: Which oh my god, Yeah, oh that's so hard.
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