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The Colin Coward Podcast 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: presented by The Fan Duel Sports Book. Hi, everybody, welcome 12 00:00:54,840 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: in Wednesday Morning Podcast. Former Miami Dolphin Chicago pair head 13 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: coach Dave Wantstat's going to have tons of good stuff 14 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: on all the free agent moves. So you know, we 15 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: always know there's overrated and underrated things in sports. I 16 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: think one of the things we don't talk about is 17 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: the no trade clause in the NFL that both Deshaun 18 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: Watson and Russell Wilson have. It's only seven players in 19 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: the league that have it. One of them is Jimmy Garoppolo. 20 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: One of them's DeAndre Hopkins. You know one of them 21 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: is Jimmy Graham. You know, we worry so much about 22 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: money and years and guaranteed money. Russell Wilson looked at 23 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: fourteen teams said no, no, no, no, no, I want Denver. 24 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: That's the difference between Russell Wilson making the Hall of 25 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: Fame and not. Denver's gonna win a lot of games 26 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: because he goes to a really stacked roster. Deshaun Watson 27 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: now can choose between Carolina, the Saints, the Browns. He 28 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: can say no, I'm going to Atlanta, a much more 29 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: dynamic economy. It is essentially the Hollywood of the South, Atlanta. 30 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: Arthur Blank is one of the best owners. No trade 31 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: clause is Deshaun Watson being a good player and a 32 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. You go to the right owner. Now, 33 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: he's got an offensive coach in Atlanta, a Hall of 34 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: Fame potential talent in Kyle Pitts, the tight end. I 35 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: would take Atlanta over Carolina, New Orleans and Cleveland any 36 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: day of the week. Just one of these things we 37 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: don't talk about. I mean, can you imagine you or 38 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: I working at a company that could move us to 39 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: anywhere any one of thirty other semi similar businesses. You 40 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: don't think the quality of the ownership, the quality of 41 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: the city, the quality of the co workers would matter. 42 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: The ability for me at this point in my career 43 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: is a broadcaster to be able to choose where I 44 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: go is the difference between disappearing and elevating my career. 45 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson fourteen teams he considered. He ultimately told the Seahawks, 46 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: this is the one I want, and they made a deal. 47 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 1: Wasn't necessarily the best deal they could get, it was 48 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: the deal Russell wanted. Speaking of Seattle, you know, people 49 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: give you signs all the time of their competence or incompetence. Now, 50 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: nobody would suggest that the draft is easy, or that 51 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: even smart gems don't occasionally miss on free agency. Chemistry 52 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: is a hard thing to predict. But the Seahawks told 53 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: you about three years ago they really didn't know what 54 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: they were doing. And they told you that, and Russell 55 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: Wilson saw this and saw it as a sign. This 56 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: is when most of the complaints started. When they made 57 00:03:54,360 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: that Jamal Adams trade. The Seahawks gave up two firsts 58 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: and a third and a safety and Bradley mcdougalld to 59 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: get a safety who doesn't have great coverage skills. That 60 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: is an outrageous reach by Seattle. I liked Jamal Adams. 61 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: I would trade maybe a late first early second round 62 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: pick for him, two firsts, a third, and a player. 63 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: That told you the Seahawks are a mess. Even in 64 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: the Denver trade, Russell Wilson only two firsts. I had 65 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: two different gms. Tell me you gotta get three firsts 66 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: for Russell Wilson. Randy Gregory joining the Broncos tells you 67 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: they know what they're doing. The recent three drafts two 68 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: by George Peyton tell you the Bronchos know what they're doing. 69 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: Everybody makes mistakes. But when you see a colossal reach 70 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: in the draft Giants getting Daniel Jones at six, When 71 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: you see a colossal sole mistake in a trade, two first, 72 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: a third, and a player for Jamal Adams, that front 73 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: office is telling all of us they really don't know 74 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: what they're doing. Seattle now is a tire fire. Russell 75 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: Wilson better for it. Leaving. One of the things I 76 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: often warn against as I age. I think about this, 77 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: don't fall in love with things that have worked before 78 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: the world is changing, and a lot of Patriot fans 79 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: as they let J. C. Jackson go to the Chargers 80 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: or a Shack Mason go to the Buccaneers, and Brady say, hey, 81 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: Bill knows what he's doing, does he or did he 82 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: have the best quarterback of all time? If you take 83 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: the seven and a half years of Bill Belichick's career 84 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: without Brady, that's four years in Cleveland, the last two 85 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: in New England, the Matt Castle year in New England 86 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: Brady hurt, and that year that Bledsoe started before Brady. 87 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: Belichick has won forty seven percent of his games. Belichick 88 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: has fallen in love with his worldview. So they don't 89 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: pay their quarterback anything. Mac Jones the top GMS in 90 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: this league. When you don't pay a quarterback, go big 91 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: in free agency. Let's go get stars. The Chargers for example, 92 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: Khalil Mack, JC Jackson, Cincinnati now spending money. New England 93 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: doesn't pay Mac Jones, and they let J. C. Jackson go, 94 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: and they let Shack Mason go. Who are they paying? 95 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: Think about this if you think I'm wrong right now, 96 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: if you took the Buccaneers where Tom Brady is at 97 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: now and the Patriots where he used to be. And 98 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: I said, between the two teams, name the ten best players. 99 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: Patriots would have one. The ten best players would be 100 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: Tristan Worth's Bucks, Mike Evans Tampa, Ryan Jensen Tampa, Lavante 101 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: David Tampa, Chris godw In Tampa, Shack Mason Now Tampa, 102 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: Shack Barrett Tampa, Vita viet Tampa, and Matt Judon, New England. 103 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: I'm not even counting Brady. I'm not even counting Brady. 104 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: Brady would make it ten of the eleven best players 105 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: are in Tampa. It's amazing that Belichick. This is the 106 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: Greg Popovich issue. You lose Duncan Suddenly you think it's 107 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: the culture, it's the system. It's not the players. He 108 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: lets Kawai go to Toronto. They've never been the same franchise. 109 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: Does everybody see what's happening? The league over the last 110 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: several years is a quarterback weapons, pass rush league. The 111 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: Patriots aren't elite at any of those three spots. It's 112 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: remarkable to me they have outside of Matt Judon, no 113 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: special players. Don't fall in love with previous success. Keep growing, 114 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:13,559 Speaker 1: all right. Dave Wanstat Fox Sports Bears Dolphins head coach 115 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: coordinator for the Cowboys Super Bowl twenty seven. So you 116 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: are one of the last American standing who loves Mitch Trubisky. No, no, no, no, no, 117 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: I'm one of two because which you've talked about today 118 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: in your blind resumes. I watched that and you have 119 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: completely confused the National Football League world. That was fantastic, 120 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: I'm telling you. But it's a fact, It truly is. 121 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: And I really think calling it with mister Trubisky, a 122 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: lot has to do with and don't put Troy Aikman's 123 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: numbers up for Terry Bradshaw's the first four years. I mean, 124 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: because they might be worse, and a lot has to 125 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: do with the system that you're in. And that was 126 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: my that was my only battle cry in supporting Mitch. Yeah, 127 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: and I said this, I was never a huge Traubisky fan. 128 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: But the Steelers have much better perimeter weapons offensively, Chase 129 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: Claypool and Yante Johnson. They have. They just got another 130 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: offensive lineman today. They have a better offensive line potentially 131 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: than he had in Chicago, and they have a better defense. 132 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: They've led the NFL and sacks fife straight years, and 133 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: they have a better coach in Mike Tomlin. So my 134 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: thing is I saw case Keenum when eleven games in 135 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: this league, when he had the right supporting cast. You 136 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: can't tell me this Steeler team is better than that 137 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: Bears team. And he got to the playoffs twice for 138 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: that Bears team. And you kept telling me you're like Colin, 139 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: he has limitations. There is a way to win with him. 140 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: And that was your assertion, right absolutely, and I still 141 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: agree with that. And I watched them obviously every week 142 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: doing shows in Chicago and was a training camp, and 143 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: the first thing that got my attention was with a 144 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: lot of quarterbacks without getting in other names, the intangibles 145 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: on this kid are a plus. And by that I 146 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: mean in early, stay, late, study it, team, guy, humble, 147 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: I mean all those things give the kid a chance. 148 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: And now when you got some ability, I just think 149 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: it was a bad mix from the very beginning. Uh. 150 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: You know, Matt Nagee did not draft him, and he 151 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: wanted to run a system that was different and it 152 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 1: just wasn't a fifth. But the kid won games when 153 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: he had chances. And so I think now in Pittsburgh, 154 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: and you didn't even mention Harris nage Harris, maybe you 155 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: know all rookie running back that the Steelers have. So 156 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: the Steelers and Mike Tomlin, they're gonna play defense and 157 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: they're gonna run the ball. And I think it's a 158 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: great fit for the guy. And whether they draft a 159 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: rookie they might be thinking in the back of the 160 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: mind the Steelers still need to draft a rookie running 161 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: back or a quarterback. I'm sorry, and that it's fine, 162 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: you know, but give Mitch a chance. And let's say 163 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: in two years, experience up there playing behind Josh Allen 164 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: with Brian day Ball as his offensive coordinator helps. Running 165 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: a system helps a lot. Running a system where the 166 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: quarterback run was a big part of Buffalo's offense with 167 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, you know what I mean. So the Steelers 168 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: are going to have a lot of good film to 169 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: study of what they believe this kid can do best. 170 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: I think it's a good I love it. I'm so 171 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: happy for this kid. I said today, if you told 172 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: me Tuah or Trubisky, because of his athletic ability and 173 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: the ability to move the pocket, I would take Trubisky 174 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: over Tah absolutely, and the ability I think to throw 175 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: the ball down the field. Trubisky is a lot better 176 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: athlete than people give him credit for any question. Guy, 177 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: he's a tough guy. I mean, this kid is so 178 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: I think it's a good fit. I like it. And 179 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: like I said, now, you know, I'm not gonna I'm 180 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: not going overboard. If the Steelers draft the Willis kid 181 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: from Liberty, I know they're high on him in the draft. 182 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: So it's going to take that kid a couple of 183 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: years to get ready. Let's see what happens with Mitch. Yeah, 184 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: and I think something you know the Steelers in the 185 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: front office very well. The other thing is, and you 186 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: touched on this, he's a Mitch as a Steeler kid, 187 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: hard working, not a big ego. You know, I said 188 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: this about Big Ben. Ben was a polarizing figure. I 189 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: made one call today that somebody that knew Trubisky in 190 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: Chicago and they're like, everybody loved him. Ben could split 191 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: locker rooms. He had trouble with Lavian, he had trouble 192 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: with offensive coordinators Todd Haley. He had trouble with a 193 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: b My guy, said Jay Cutler. Polarizing in Chicago, big band, 194 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: polarizing in Pittsburgh. He's like everybody loved Trubisky. He feels 195 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: like a Pitchburg guy. That's what I might take. What 196 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: he works, Yeah, yeah, and that's the way he plays 197 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: the game. He works and he plays that way. No, 198 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: I think it's a good fit. I think for the Steelers. 199 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: You know, they were not going to give away three 200 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: number one picks for Deshaun Watson. I mean, that wasn't 201 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: going to happen. Uh. I'll tell you what. Talking to 202 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: people back there, they they've seen enough of Rudolf Mason, Rudolph, 203 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: They've seen enough of Haskins. You know, they want to 204 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: Ben's gone, Let's let's have a clean slate and let's 205 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: move forward. So it's it's a good and the and 206 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator. He loves the movement stuff. 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I 250 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: want to talk about free agency. Sometimes people say, don't 251 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: spend too much money in free agency. But here's something interesting. 252 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: In the last six years the highest spending team in 253 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: free agency has averaged over six years, five more wins. 254 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: New England needed production. They bought it. I look at 255 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: what Denver's done. They went and got Randy Gregory, Russell Wilson. 256 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Randy Gregory is a tough block opposite Bradley Chubb. 257 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: Do you worried though, when you bring in big personalities, 258 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: multiple personalities? How hard was it when you were coaching 259 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: when you bring in some guy and by the way, 260 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: you not only bring him in, Dave, sometimes you pay 261 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: him more than other guys on the roster that aren't 262 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: paid yet. Is it hard for a coach to make 263 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: that synthesize all that chemistry? Yeah. The one thing that 264 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: and this is my experience now with free agency, and 265 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: we were there when it all started. They called it 266 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: Plan B and then it went the free agency. So yeah, 267 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: I've kind of experienced at all. And the one thing 268 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: you got to be careful of. Most guys have become 269 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: free agents are free agents for a reason. It never 270 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: gets talked about, you know, and you know, so there's 271 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: there's there's more to the story because the team that's 272 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: letting him become a free agent, they know more about 273 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: this individual player on the field, off the field, class 274 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: everything about him than any body else in the league. 275 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: You know, So I think you really have to be 276 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: careful whether it's a great player like a Russell Wilson 277 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: or Gregory the guys were talking about. You know, you 278 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: got to really be careful with the free agency market. 279 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: It kid can divide if it's not the right guy, 280 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: it can divide your locker room. There's no question about that. 281 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: You know. When we were at Dallas, we felt like 282 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: the one ingredient that we needed to win a Super Bowl. 283 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: We needed a pass rusher. We had everything else kind 284 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: of place, and we went out and we got and 285 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: we got Charles Haley, and Charles Haley came in for us, 286 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: and he made the difference. Charles was the difference in 287 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: us winning a Super Bowl my opinion, you know, particularly 288 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: on defense. We ended up number one in the league 289 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,719 Speaker 1: that you're in defense in the whole NFL, and Charles 290 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,959 Speaker 1: had a huge part of that. But his work ethic 291 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: on the field was we underestimated how hard this kid worked. 292 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: And so, you know, I just think you got to 293 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: do your research on him, but you got to keep 294 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: in the back of your mind why is this player 295 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: a free agent? Why is Randy Gregory? Why was he 296 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: a free agent for the Cowboys? You know, sometimes there's 297 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: more to the story, but you better be sure because 298 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: they if they're not the right type of person, they 299 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: can split your locker room. There's no question about that. 300 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: You know. It's it's really interesting. I talked about this 301 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: in my rant before we did this, that you can't 302 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: fall in love with things that have worked before. But 303 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: you do know as a coach there are certain recipes 304 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: that work. And if you go look at Belichick's five 305 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: years in Cleveland, the last two years in New England, 306 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: the year Brady got hurt, and New England before Brady started, 307 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: the Bledsoe years without Tommy's won forty seven percent of 308 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: his games. And I think Bill's brilliant. But this is 309 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 1: something Rex Ryan said for years. He's like, listen, Brady 310 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: changes the equation. He's like a movie star in an 311 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: average script. You know, a lot of the funny movies 312 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't be as funny without Jim Carey. He made the 313 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: movie right. Otherwise it's a bad, stupid movie. And I 314 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: look at Belichick. They let Shack Mason go, They let J. C. 315 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: Jackson go. Hell, they're not paying Mac Jones. They're in 316 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: a division with wildly deep and talented Buffalo My thing is, listen, 317 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: I know Belichick can coach. They don't have enough star players, Dave. 318 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: They got Matt Judon who vanished at the end of 319 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: the season. They don't have any perimeter playmakers. What do 320 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: you make I mean, hell, they're not paying Mac Jones. 321 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: Who are they paying? Yeah, it did surprise me a 322 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: little bit with the when Jackson got away, you know, 323 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: because I thought they'd resign him. You know again, mate, 324 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: Bill obviously has an opinion on that we're not aware 325 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: of or we're not privy too. You know, I would 326 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: just say this regardless of who plays, and we can 327 00:19:55,080 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 1: talk Mac Jones versus Tom Brady, the foundation of the 328 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: Patriot Way. Let's use that what Bill Belichick wants to do, 329 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: not turn the ball over, be one of the least 330 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: penalized teams, be good in the special teams. It doesn't 331 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: matter who the players are. That formula doesn't change. And 332 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: I think where coaches get into problems, all of a 333 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: sudden they get a player that's a great drop back 334 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: passer and they change their whole philosophy and then they 335 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: end up throwing interceptions and it doesn't work out where 336 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: Bill and Search players into the mold that he wants 337 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: his team to be. And he's done that since Cleveland. 338 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: I mean you can back and look, we played Cleveland 339 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,239 Speaker 1: when he was up there, and I practiced against him 340 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: when he was at Cleveland. He came out three years 341 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: in a row to Chicago, to Platteville to the Bears 342 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: when I was a head coach of the Bears, and 343 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: we worked against each other, and it was the blueprint 344 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: that they were going to do. And you saw that 345 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: issue with Mac Jones. It was going to be high 346 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: percentage passes, a lot of screens, run the ball, don't 347 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: turn it over, one of the least penalized teams in 348 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: the league, play defense. I mean that's the formula. So 349 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:07,479 Speaker 1: I you know, you know, yeah, Tom Brady was the difference. 350 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 1: I remember a playoff game where we lost to him, 351 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: and I remember North Turner callby and he says, take 352 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: a look at this, and they I think we had 353 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: fifteen third dons and they had fifteen third dons. And 354 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: in our quarterback, Jay Feeler, I think he completed you know, 355 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: eight of the third of the fifteen third dons, and 356 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: Brady completed eleven or twelve and it was those three 357 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: passes that made the difference in them getting first dons 358 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: and winning the game by three points. You know, so 359 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: I think that Tom Brady, a player of his caliber, 360 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: does make a difference. But my point is this that 361 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: Tom Brady played within the framework of the Patriot way. 362 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: You know, his skill did not meant that he even 363 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: though he could have done more in his mind, he didn't. 364 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: He didn't. And so I think that's that's Bill Belichick. 365 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: There's a lot of credit. You know, a lot of 366 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: these coaches will swing one way or another depending completely 367 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: on the players. They lose and they lose the foundation 368 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: of what they're trying to build. That doesn't happen in 369 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: New England. You never will. Well, I think one of 370 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: the best pickups so far in free agency was Denver 371 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: getting Randy Gregory. Like Charles Haley, he can be volatile. 372 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,719 Speaker 1: So I want to talk about Randy Gregory because I 373 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: thought with Dallas Dave there were moments where he was 374 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: he and Michael Parsons were so disruptive to the offensive front. 375 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: Those guys are just simply too fast for their size, 376 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: for a lot of offensive linemen to get their feet under. 377 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: Like Charles Haley. He's a volatile personality. So when you 378 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: got Haley, you had a damn good locker room. You 379 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: had a way of doing things. When you get a 380 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: player that can be more volatile, does it what do 381 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: you have to do as a coaching staff. Because Randy 382 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: has had his issue. He's great, but you get a 383 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: different temperament sometimes week to week. Well, I think, you know, 384 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: the player needs to understand that he is going to 385 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: be scrutinized a little bit closer, and Randy Gregory better 386 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: go up there to Denver and he'd better perform and 387 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: he better produce. And that's and Charles Haley figured that 388 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: out real quick. And when he came to the Cowboys, 389 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: you know, the film doesn't lie. And we would sit 390 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: in there Monday after a Sunday game and we put 391 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: the tape on and Charles Haley was hanging on the quarterback. 392 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: It took about two games and everybody was sold that 393 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: this guy can help us win. And at the end 394 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: of the day, you know, that's that's what the players want. 395 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: They're playing for a ring, So I think that's what 396 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: Gregory is going to have to do. And there's I'm 397 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: sure there's a reason that I said earlier that we're 398 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: not privy to why did Gregory become And he's had 399 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: a storied pass right there with the Cowboys, a lot 400 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: of issues off the field, we know the whole circumstances, 401 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: but there was something that Dallas was not willing to 402 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: jump on the table for right from the get go 403 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: and sign this guy. Were you ever concerned about a 404 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: player who had some volatility as a coach, if you 405 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: would sit down with the GM, what would you say 406 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: about Gregory? Were you willing to I mean, Denver is 407 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: in a tough division. Sometimes you've got to take risks. 408 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: How much influence would you have? What would be the 409 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: difference between taking a volatile guy and not all about 410 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: his the football side of it. That's what I was 411 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: always concerned with. Was a guy going to be How 412 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: was he with meetings? How was his effort on the 413 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: practice field? You know what I mean? If this was 414 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 1: a guy that was going to be late, we wouldn't 415 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: tolerate that. I never did, Jimmy never did. I mean, 416 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: you know, and and Charles Haley, you know, hey, he 417 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: had maybe some off the field issues, but as far 418 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: as being at practice and working hard in practice, that 419 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: was not an issue. So I'm assuming you know, Randy 420 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: Gregory's that type of player. And so I think from 421 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: a coaching standpoint, it's all about, you know, you want 422 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: guys that are going to produce for you. You want 423 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: guys that are going to be uh, you know, be 424 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: team guys to a degree, but that you know that 425 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: can get overrated. I mean, if a guy's that good 426 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: of a player, you know, he doesn't have to be 427 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: the leader in the locker room, you know, go out 428 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: and produce. If he produces for you, you got to 429 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: find a way as a coach to be flexible enough 430 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: to get the most. That's coaching, you know, getting getting 431 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: twenty two guys to do to do what they necessarily 432 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: don't want to do, what they have to do it 433 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: to win. So it's that's all part of That's why 434 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: I used to say, that's why to give you a 435 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 1: shirt and a whistle that says coach on it. You know, 436 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: go get to get the most out of the player. 437 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: And that's that's what I see with some of these 438 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: players that could be a little bit like you say, 439 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: a little bit tough to handle, you know the Chicago Bears. Well, 440 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: here's what worries me. Rookie GM a defensive coach in 441 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: a league that is increasingly offensive. Should I be worried? 442 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: If I'm I'm a Bears fan? Justin fields now probably 443 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: gonna lose Allen Robinson? Offensive line still work in progress? 444 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: A defensive head coach? Are how much? And you know 445 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: this organization? Well, are you a little concerned off a 446 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: turbulent year one? About year two for him? No? I'll 447 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: tell you what I have. This is encouraged. I've been 448 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: about the Bears organization in years. And let me tell 449 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: you two things. Two things. Number one, you know, the 450 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: offense is young. David Montgomery Mooney the tight end commenced, 451 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: you know, the rookie end. You know, he's They've got 452 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: two young offensive lineman and I think they're going to 453 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: be players. They are a young offense, justin Fields and 454 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: the problem that the Bears would have had if they 455 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: keep all these veteran guys so Danny Trebasins and the 456 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: Khalil Mack. Yeah, you know, I mean in two years, 457 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: you know, when the offense reaches the peak of a 458 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: championship level, play the defense would have been old or 459 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: out of contracts. So I like, I love what they're doing. 460 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: They are saying right now, you know what, we are 461 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: going to go young. We got a young football team. 462 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna draft young players, We're gonna coach young players, 463 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: and we're gonna bring this whole franchise to the top. 464 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: At the same time, I think that's smart. The second 465 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: thing why I love a defensive head coach, I mean 466 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: they he understands the importance of running the football. And 467 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: you know, in three of the coaches that they hired 468 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: on offense, Luke Getsy was on my staff at Pitt, 469 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: Andrew Janoko their quarterback coach, was a backup quarterback for me, 470 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: a Pit and David Walker, they're running back coach who 471 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: they hired was with me six years of pit. They 472 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: all get the running game and they understand it. It's 473 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: gonna be the best thing that could have happened for 474 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: Justin Fields. It's Justin Field's going to be a great player. 475 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. We all hope so, but we're gonna 476 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: find out. Because he's going to be in an offense now. 477 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: It truly gives him a chance to be successful. They're 478 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: gonna run the ball, they're gonna play defense, they're gonna 479 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: play field position, and that's in my mind, that's what 480 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: a young quarterback really needs until he gets his confidence 481 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: and until he gets his swagger a little bit. So 482 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: we're gonna find out because Justin Fields is going to 483 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: get the best chance in this system with these coaches 484 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: to be successful. So I like what they're doing personnel wise, 485 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,959 Speaker 1: and I like what they're doing philosophy wise. I really do. 486 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: I would have thought you hated the Khalil Mack move. 487 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: You like pass rushers. I do. But you know, between 488 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: Khalil Mack last year, between you, I'm just Gonnai, Kalil Mack, 489 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: a team Hicks, and uh Cohen, a little running back 490 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: that they let go. Between those three guys, they played 491 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: three percent of the snaps, three percent of the play 492 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: of their plays. I mean because of injuries. It's age, 493 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: it's injuries. It's time to move on. New regime, new coach, 494 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: new energy, it's you got to do it. It's time 495 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,239 Speaker 1: to move on. And I'm all for it, you know. 496 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: I hope I love Cleo Maca. Hope he has a 497 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: great year with the Chargers. I really do. And all 498 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: these other guys. But get those young guys in there 499 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: and build this team together. We're not into April yet, 500 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: so the draft is over a month away. But when 501 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: you if you go back to your Bears, Dolphins and 502 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: Cowboy days, and specifically the Bears and Dolphins, did you 503 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: essentially know a month and a half out of the 504 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: draft who you liked and who you didn't were your mind? 505 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: Had you already sat with the scouch? Do teams already 506 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: have a sense of here, we're gonna fill this void 507 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: free agency, We're gonna get this in the draft. How 508 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: far out do you know? Oh? I think right now 509 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,719 Speaker 1: they all know the ability level these play got them 510 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: all ranked by ability level, playmaking, ability, injuries. You know, 511 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: I think the thing get separated right now is the 512 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: interview part of it, the personality part of it. You know, 513 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: this is what players I used to tell these young 514 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: I mean, this is what really separates players at this point. 515 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: I mean, we had a lot of players that were 516 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: we like them, They had good numbers, bore we come 517 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: out of that interview or we went to their pro 518 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: day and they just sold us on themselves, you know 519 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: what I mean? They were that type of kid. Yeah, 520 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: I think everything I'm hearing about the Kenny Picket kid, 521 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: you know, out of pit. I mean I talked to 522 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: a coach today, an offensive coordinator this afternoon of a team, 523 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: and he told me, he says, you know who was 524 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: unbelievable at his interview at the combine. He says that 525 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: Picket kid. He says, he's this kid's got it man, 526 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: you know so, I mean, I think this is how 527 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: players get bumped when you start getting real close to 528 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: draft day. Can you remember a specific kid that blew 529 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: you away during the draft interview? Bears, Dolphins, Cowboys blew 530 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: you away? Yeah? Yeah, but Bobby Ingram from Penn State. 531 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: He was a receiver from Pence State. I think the 532 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: fastest Bobby ever ran in Penn State might have been 533 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: four six, five four seven, you know, I mean, I 534 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: I can't remember his time. I'm probably if the someone 535 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: who's gonna call me on that on Twitter, but but 536 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: it might been four six he you know, he'll say. 537 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: But the point was that he wasn't a Blazer. And 538 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: Bobby Ingram is probably five ten, maybe five eleven. He's 539 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: not a big guy, but he is a playmaker. And 540 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: I'm and when I sat down with him. I just 541 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: sensed him a sure kid, a kid that gets it, 542 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: a winner, and we drafted him in the second round 543 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: and the kid played. The guy was one of the 544 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: best players for a long time. A day had so 545 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: so that that was an example I think right there 546 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: that really made a difference in his draft status. There's 547 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: no question about that, no question about that. Yeah, that's interesting. 548 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: Bobby Ingram was a really good player, and he's a coach, 549 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: and he's a coach now he's co Wisconsin offensive coordinator. 550 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,479 Speaker 1: You're right, he was at Baltimore and he just got 551 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: hired by Paul Chris as the offensive coordinator at at Wisconsin. 552 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: You're exactly right. The game is faster now. There's no huddles, 553 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: very rarely, so you know, I've talked to Jimmy Johnson 554 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: about this before. Jimmy Owais says intelligence is underrated. The 555 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: game is now faster than it used to be. Free 556 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: agency and drafting, you were obviously blown away with Bobby Ingram. Um. 557 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: Were there times that you leaned into a guy or 558 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: leaned out of a guy because you just thought, man, 559 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if this this this game is fast, 560 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he can keep up. Yeah, I'm 561 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: trying to think of a specific oh one hundred percent though, No, 562 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: there's no question about that. I mean it, Yeah, because 563 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: you know, you go to a school, and that's why 564 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: I always thought that the personal stuff was you know, 565 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: I don't think we drafted a guy in the first 566 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: three rounds that I didn't personally visit with. Either we 567 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: brought him into our place or went out to their place, 568 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: you know, and had that face to face visit. Will 569 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: college coaches be honest? Will college coat you know what? 570 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: A lot of times, a lot of times they're just wrong. 571 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we took I'll tell you what we took, 572 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: Curtis Enis, God bless him. I don't know where Curtis 573 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: is now. We took him with the fourth pick of 574 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: the draft. And in my last year at the Bears, 575 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: I said, all we need we can get a running 576 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: back and Greg Schiano was on my staff. I hired 577 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: him from Penn State. Guess who recruited Curtis Enis to 578 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: go to Penn State. Greg Ciano, the scout on our 579 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: staff at the Bears, that recruit that scouted that area 580 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: in the northeast. Bobby Regal guess where he went to college, 581 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: Penn State. I personally got on airplane and flew to 582 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: State College to meet with coach Paterno talk about Curtis 583 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: Enis everything and his numbers. If you look at his 584 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: college numbers, he's averaged I think the average six and 585 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: a half yards carry. I mean it was crazy, and 586 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: you know, we came in and the guy held out, 587 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 1: and it just it never worked out. It never worked out. 588 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: And so I look back on it and I say, 589 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how much more we could 590 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: have done. Research was talked in a head coach, we 591 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: had a scout who was a Penn State bread, we 592 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,439 Speaker 1: had great Shiano, and everybody was saying the same thing. 593 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: And by the when the kid came, he showed up, 594 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: got the contract. It just never worked. So, I mean, um, 595 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: you know, some of it is you know what Dave. 596 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: Some of it is you're guessing. Some of it's guessing 597 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: absolutely no question about that, No no question about that, 598 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: and uh and some of them you're you're pushing. I 599 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: remember when when Emma Smith came out, the big concern 600 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: was Emmett Smith. Jimmy loved everything about him because he 601 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: was a four year player at Florida, and he his 602 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: durability and you saw the history. But it was funny 603 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: that that we the speed was the question could Emmett 604 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: run faster enough? And that was the that was the 605 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 1: rap on him. And so Jimmy sent myself in. Joe 606 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: Brotsky was our running back coach. We went down to 607 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: Florida and I was working on a linebacker and he says, 608 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: and as only Jimmy can do it. He says, now 609 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: Emma's gonna run. He says, let's make sure we get 610 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,399 Speaker 1: an accurate time. So the running back coach, God bless him, 611 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: you know, he walked out and Jimmy says, David, make 612 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: sure you're you're peaking on that stop watch, you know, 613 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: because he loved the running back. He says, make sure 614 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: that we're getting a and and Emmett ran four or 615 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: five something and we came back and obviously that made 616 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: the decision that we were going to draft, not that 617 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: we wouldn't have otherwise, but you know, there there's a 618 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: lot and that was a couple of weeks before the 619 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 1: draft that we just wanted to be sure, you know. So, yeah, 620 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: there are a lot of what do we trust college 621 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 1: coaches some of them, we can, but they all want 622 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: to inflate their players, and they all want their player 623 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 1: to get drafted because it helps him recruiting. So you 624 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: got to understand that part of it, which we did, 625 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 1: which we did. I'll tell you where it really helped 626 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 1: us is the first couple of years when we were 627 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: just out of the University of Miami and we were 628 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,359 Speaker 1: going out and we were going to draft players. There 629 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: was a lot of players at Florida, Florida State, Notre Dame, 630 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: all over the country that we had rooted, so we 631 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 1: knew the type of kid they were. We knew the 632 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: type of player, and we would get the information from 633 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: the coach. But that really gave us a big advantage. 634 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no question about that. And you still 635 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: see that nowadays. Make sure to check out The Dramon 636 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 1: Green Show. I brought Draymond Green into the Volume because 637 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: one of the more entertaining voices in sports, unique perspective 638 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: understands behind the rope, also chops up with guests like 639 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: Gary Peyton, Zach Levine, Tracy McGrady. Make sure download The 640 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: Draymond Green Show wherever you get your podcasts, only on 641 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: the Volume podcast Network. All right, So when you and 642 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,720 Speaker 1: Norv Turners sit down and have a couple of pops, 643 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,280 Speaker 1: is it mostly laughs? Is it now? Is it mostly laughs? 644 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: Are there moments of I wish we would have done 645 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: this between the two of you? You got fifty some 646 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,240 Speaker 1: years in the NFL? Is it is it good times? 647 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: Is it disappointment? How do you view it? Norv and 648 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: I started at USC and I took the job at USC. 649 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: I left Jimmy at Oklahoma State and I showed up 650 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: and he was the offensive coordinator at USC, and I 651 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: didn't know a so on the staff, and Norv and 652 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: his wife Nancy kind of took Jan and I in 653 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,760 Speaker 1: and we we used to go out to Palm Desert. 654 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: Jerry Buss had the Ocatilla Lone and we would the 655 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: whole staff would go out there and spend three or 656 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 1: four days in golf and mister Buss would take great 657 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 1: I mean it was a great. So we rode out 658 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: together and that that started a good friendship. And then 659 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: Norv left and went to the RAMS. And then a 660 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: couple of years later I get the Cowboys job, and 661 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: Jimmy's going through all these names and these guys that 662 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: were Super Bowls and so forth and so on, and 663 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: Norv was a receiver coach at the Rams and uh 664 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: and I remember going into Jimmy and saying, I get 665 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 1: a guy that this guy can call plays and he 666 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: can go to the the quarterbacks. And so Jimmy brings nor 667 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: Of in and North comes with us at Dallas, you know, 668 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: and and the rest is history. I mean, and I 669 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: remember Nora's interview. He came in and we were going 670 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: to go to Camp Peezes down there in uh in 671 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: Dallas outside Camp Peez's, Uh, I think it was called 672 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: Egyptian Grower what restaurants and uh, so Tony Wise and 673 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 1: I we North comes in and Norm had his books 674 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: and his tape. Hell, he was ready to go after 675 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: this job, you know, I mean whatever he had to 676 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: do to and uh yeah, So this is interviewing with 677 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: Jimmy a little bit different, you know. I said, just 678 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: just so, Jimmy, Jimmy says, uh, sits here form and 679 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,839 Speaker 1: he says, hey, let's let's go get something to eat 680 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: down at Camp Peeze's. So Tony Wise and I said, 681 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: we'll meet you there. We jump in the car and 682 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 1: head down and Jimmy says, the North come out nor 683 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 1: you arride me and in the back sea of the car. 684 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,399 Speaker 1: Back in those days, now I'm not today, But back 685 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,320 Speaker 1: in those days, Jimmy had this a little cooler with 686 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: some Heinekens, and they showed up about thirty minutes and 687 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,359 Speaker 1: walked in and it was about ten minutes later and 688 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: Jimmy Lukservan says, well, we got ourselves an offensive coordinator. 689 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 1: And from when we left Valley Ranch and we got 690 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,320 Speaker 1: the camp Feezis, Norv had sold him, answered the questions 691 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: that Jimmy had for him, and Jimmy offered him the job. 692 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: By the way, whenever you're getting interviewed for a job, 693 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: make sure the guy interviewing you gets a couple of 694 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 1: pops in him. Lubricate him a little bit. He's a 695 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: little better mood. Oh no, we got some great, great 696 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,720 Speaker 1: stories of of how we hired guys with people together. 697 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: But to answer your question, no, Norv and I we 698 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 1: always talked a great time. You and Jimmy are tight. 699 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: Did Jimmy ever get pissed at you? Really? REMYA well, yeah, 700 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: I mean I knew when it bothered him. You know, 701 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,120 Speaker 1: we were doing some things, but it was more it 702 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 1: really wasn't as much football stuff as some of the 703 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: things off the field and with other assistant coaches. You know, 704 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: I you know, Jimmy, do you really want to do this? 705 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 1: We guy? Yeah, hell yeah, I want to do that. 706 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? This guy, Jimmy, what do 707 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: you think about this? What do you you know? I 708 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: don't know. You might we want to think this over? No, 709 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it was more of 710 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 1: some of the policy things probably than the football stuff. 711 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: We were great. I mean we were always on the 712 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: same page. We were all because we talked about it. 713 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: It's crazy. We talked about it from morning we took jobs, 714 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: we talked about it at lunchtime. We'd have beers afterwards 715 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: and we're sitting there and we're talking about it. So, 716 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: I mean, football was our lives. I mean, it was 717 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: very important. And it was twenty four seven. Well you 718 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: had to be close because one time you didn't go 719 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 1: in at halftime. No, doing a game. That was the 720 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: last game at the University of Miami. We're playing Nebraska 721 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: and the Orange Bowl. Orange Bowl. Yeah, and Buddy Ryan 722 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 1: had he wanted to work out Jerome Brin, who was 723 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: our probably the greatest player I've ever coached, and so 724 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 1: Buddy Ryan, who was an Oklahoma stake brat, him and 725 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: Jimmy had a relationship. So he caught up Jimmy and said, 726 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,399 Speaker 1: could I come to Miami and work on Jerome Bron 727 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: getting ready for the draft. And so Jimmy said sure. 728 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,720 Speaker 1: He says, but when you come down here, our defensive coaches, 729 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,320 Speaker 1: we'd like to hear your talk about the bear defense 730 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: to forty six defense. Buddy said great. So Buddy comes down, 731 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 1: does his business with Jerome, and then we sit in 732 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: my office with our defensive staff and Jimmy and Buddy 733 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: Ryan's going over the forty six defense. And he had 734 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: just got the Eagles job, so it was fresh and 735 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 1: so we put that thing in in the spring and 736 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: we were so excited about it. Well I hate to 737 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 1: say this, but we we didn't really need it, you know. 738 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,720 Speaker 1: We were just clucking along and winning games and winning games, 739 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: and we that's we lost one game that you went 740 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 1: for two against the other dame otherwise who had to 741 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,839 Speaker 1: run the table again. So here we are Oongeable, last 742 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,359 Speaker 1: game of the year, and we got all this time 743 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: to practice. We said it's time to bring out the 744 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 1: Bear defense. So we put the Bear defense in against Nebraska, 745 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 1: and it was Turner Gill and they had a great 746 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: team and never seen this defense never, we never used it, 747 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: and we unleashed this thing on him and it was 748 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: just it was just cannon fire, bang bang bang, bang, 749 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 1: bang bang bang. And so they were having a tough 750 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,919 Speaker 1: time moved the ball obviously, and so we're getting ready 751 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: for halftime, and I think they made two or three 752 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 1: first times the first half. And so Dave Campo was 753 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 1: sitting next to me in the press box. He was 754 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: our secondary coach, and he says, hey, you know who 755 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 1: the halftime entertainment is. And I said who? And he 756 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 1: said it's your favorite group, the Temptations. I said, oh god. 757 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: So I said, Jimmy so, and then I flipped the 758 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 1: headset over and I said, hey, Jimmy said, listen, I'll 759 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: come down here at halftime. But I really don't have 760 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: anything to talk to our defense about it. I said, 761 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: these guys aren't going to score against us. And I said, now, 762 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: this is Nebraska. I think they were number like five 763 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: in a country at the time. And I said, and 764 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: he said, well, if you think if we're good, I said, no, 765 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,319 Speaker 1: we're good. We're good. So I stayed at the press 766 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 1: box with Campo and we listened to the Temptations and 767 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 1: Bob Trumpy and Don Crickey were doing the game and 768 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: they walked by the booth and they see them sitting 769 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,800 Speaker 1: in there, and they kind of get a look on 770 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 1: their face and they stick their head and they said, Davis, 771 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 1: everything okay. I said, I mean, it's great. Why they 772 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: said nothing happened. I mean they thought we got fired, 773 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: you know. That's why they said we'd never seen coaches 774 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,759 Speaker 1: in the Orange Bowl game, big game like this, national TV. 775 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,880 Speaker 1: And I said, no, well, we're good. I said, these 776 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,600 Speaker 1: guys are gonna have a tough time. Score. So they 777 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 1: laughed like hell and they told that story. I saw 778 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: him twenty years after that. They were still telling that story. 779 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,960 Speaker 1: Thirty one to three. I think I think thirty one 780 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: three or something was a final score they might have 781 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,719 Speaker 1: got that. I can't remember. Fit. That was her last 782 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: scheme at the Herd, and we took the cowboy job. 783 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 1: That was it. The volume