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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys like T D. Lamb and now your hosts

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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner and Kyle Yeomans. It

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Speaker 1: is a Thursday edition of the Draft Show. Where we

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Speaker 1: are ninety seven days from the NFL Draft in April,

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Speaker 1: and well, now that we're in double digits, we've got

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Speaker 1: to get into the triple digits in terms of top

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Speaker 1: one hundred list, and we're gonna do just that. Dame

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Speaker 1: Brugler has his top one hundred NFL Draft prospects. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna break that down. We're also gonna talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit of Senior Bowl here as well. So the Senior

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Speaker 1: Bowl is just on the horizon over the next couple

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Speaker 1: of days, and there are plenty of prospects that if

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Speaker 1: But well, it's gonna be a fun one because we've

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Speaker 1: got a battle brewing between Dave Brugler, Jeff Cavtall, and

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Speaker 1: Kevin Turner as well. I'm Kyle Yeoman's and well, before

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Speaker 1: we get into really the battle that's been brewing on Twitter, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: I know you've already talked about it on Twitter. Dane's

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Speaker 1: even alluded to it a little bit as well. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk some safeties, but I do want to get

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Speaker 1: into this top one hundred initially and kind of get

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Speaker 1: into it and talk about these top one hundred players

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Speaker 1: off the bat, Dane, who you've got kind of posted

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Speaker 1: on the Athletic and who you've got tabbed as the

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Speaker 1: top prospects overall. Yeah, you know, it's it's tough to

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Speaker 1: an these type of lists because you know, there's no

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Speaker 1: scheme that I'm scouting for and so there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of generalities that you have to get through. But we

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Speaker 1: try to stack these these players just trying to the

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Speaker 1: best players in this class. It's very offensive, top heavy. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think my first defensive player is Caleb

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Speaker 1: Farley at number ten, my top corner. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think that, you know, anybody that's been

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Speaker 1: This is we just don't have that top ten pass rusher. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Some of these linebackers are intriguing, but I don't know

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Speaker 1: that they're top ten locks. So Caleb Farley at ten,

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Speaker 1: Patrick Shartan at eleven, top two defensive players on my board,

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Speaker 1: And then I thought it was interesting how many edge

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Speaker 1: then like thirty. Um, you know, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: talented guys from Augilarry from Georgia. I'm a big fan

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Speaker 1: there's plenty of different options there if they're if you're

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Speaker 1: that's where I think the sweet spot is for that

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Speaker 1: edge position. It's a very strong When I went through

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Speaker 1: the top one hundred and countered up the positions, wide

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Speaker 1: receiver led the way with seventeen. Offensive tackle was double

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Speaker 1: digits at ten, pass rusher was thirteen, corner was eleven.

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Speaker 1: So we're looking at four positions that had double digits

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Speaker 1: a lot of teams, including the Cowboys in some of

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Speaker 1: those areas, could definitely use. Now I'm looking through your list,

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Speaker 1: did you have the top non Trevor Lawrence name player

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Speaker 1: went over Davante Smith who was a Heisman winner, had

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Speaker 1: you put Jamar Chase up in front. Yeah, And I

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Speaker 1: You know, he is the top three safety in this

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Speaker 1: the best safety in this draft are Darius Washington, who

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Speaker 1: who didn't make Dane's top one hundred because as I've

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Speaker 1: learned about Dane over the years, Dane hates small people,

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Speaker 1: which I gotta tell you it's surprising because Dane, are

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Speaker 1: you Daney sixty three? You know than I am? Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: So Dane's blatant disrespect to my five foot eighth safety.

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Speaker 1: So I mean that's just as Dane said, I am convicted.

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Speaker 1: This is our Darius Washington's my guy. And like Dane

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Speaker 1: And like here's my thing with Washington. I don't even

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Speaker 1: that lack of length, it just it shows up. There

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Speaker 1: and Dane you have him as your safety three. It's

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Speaker 1: And I think part of that reason, and this probably

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Speaker 1: And it's Dane. If I say it wrong, just you'll

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Speaker 1: DeMar Hamlin is a guy I watch him on tape.

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Speaker 1: I'm like man, I don't know if he was used

423
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Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh the way he might transition the pros. I

424
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Speaker 1: also don't know if he's fast enough, and I want

425
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Speaker 1: to see that at the Senior Bowls's that's one of

426
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Speaker 1: the guys, you know. That's like, I'm glad that he's

427
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Speaker 1: going to the Senior Bowl and we can watch him

428
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Speaker 1: a little bit more. Sure. There are a couple of

429
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Speaker 1: really good group of five safeties that are going to

430
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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl that I'm really excited to watch up against,

431
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Speaker 1: maybe some of these power five receivers. James Wiggins out

432
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Speaker 1: of Cincinnati. I think he could be a solid player.

433
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Speaker 1: Richie Grant from UCF. I like both of those guys

434
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Speaker 1: as group of five, kind of middle round prospects. Nothing

435
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Speaker 1: crazy up near maybe a mo rig or Nasser Radine

436
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Speaker 1: or Washington or something like that. But I do like

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Speaker 1: those guys in terms of maybe kind of group of

438
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Speaker 1: five talent. Now, Dane, just for everybody listening, you said

439
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Speaker 1: that you had seven safeties in your top one hundred,

440
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: and that might sound like a lot, but I was

441
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Speaker 1: looking through just kind of compared in terms of different positions.

442
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Speaker 1: You had seven edge rushers in your top thirty two,

443
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Speaker 1: So you match the same amount of players, throw them

444
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Speaker 1: in the top thirty two, and that's how many safeties

445
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Speaker 1: you have in all of it. Offensive tackles specifically, you

446
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Speaker 1: have seven offensive tackles in your top forty six. You

447
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 1: have seven wide receivers in your top forty eight. So

448
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Speaker 1: I mean the fact that there is a lack of

449
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Speaker 1: depth here at safety. Do you think that could entice

450
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Speaker 1: maybe a team like the Cowboys who desperately need a

451
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Speaker 1: free safety, desperately need some help on the back end

452
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Speaker 1: to maybe go and stretch that pick a little bit

453
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Speaker 1: at two or maybe even three, some of those premium

454
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Speaker 1: Day two picks. I hope not, because you're reaching out

455
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Speaker 1: a player. So even though it's a need, you're still reaching.

456
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Speaker 1: It's just it's hard to find safeties. I mean, the

457
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Speaker 1: way Jeff set it up was I think spot on.

458
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Speaker 1: And just because you don't have that guy doesn't mean

459
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Speaker 1: you should go reach to try and get him. So

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Speaker 1: I'm a fan of drafting good players, and if there's

461
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Speaker 1: a better player on the board, even though it might

462
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Speaker 1: not be as big of a need, that's that's the

463
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: direction they should be drafting, not necessarily reaching for some

464
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Speaker 1: of these guys, even though I mean, you know, it's

465
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Speaker 1: only one safety my top fifty, and that's Morigum, you know.

466
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Speaker 1: And then after that, I mean we talked about it,

467
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: like the guy like Nasheal Dean. There's just not many

468
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,360
Speaker 1: safeties that look like him. He's he's different, and so

469
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: you have to understand how to use a player like that,

470
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Speaker 1: you know. I think there's some interesting guys. You know,

471
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Speaker 1: Jamie and Sherwood from Auburn's an interesting junior who came

472
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Speaker 1: out and just cracked my top one hundred. Like him

473
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Speaker 1: quite a bit. I mentioned Richie Grant how he's being

474
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Speaker 1: slept on. So you know, there are some safety options

475
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Speaker 1: if they want to try and find that position later,

476
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Speaker 1: but hopefully they do not reach on a player just

477
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 1: because it's a need. It's a seven or eight, so

478
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: about the right number. If you go back two years,

479
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 1: that's the draft of the Cowboys at Tristan Hill. But

480
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: we were always kind of talking about one Thorn Hill

481
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: and the Taylor Raps of the world. Seven safeties going

482
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Speaker 1: the top one hundred and last year's draft eight safeties

483
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Speaker 1: going the top one hundred. If you remember the you know,

484
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Speaker 1: the Jeremy Chens and the cow Duggers of the World

485
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: and Ashton Davis and things like that. Just for reference,

486
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: that's what it's gonna be. Probably it's usually around that area.

487
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 1: Six to eight safeties in the top one hundred and

488
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Speaker 1: your Cowboys picks four picks and the top one h

489
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Speaker 1: five four cracks at it to take a safety. I

490
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: don't think this team will do it. Personally, and yeah

491
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Speaker 1: I knew DC dan Quinn. I don't see them pulling

492
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Speaker 1: the trigger on a safety. And you know what, I

493
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Speaker 1: kind of as much as I complain a lot about

494
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Speaker 1: them quote ignoring the safety position, and there's no one

495
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: here blowing me away, so I would kind of just

496
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Speaker 1: see what happens to free agency. Maybe I'm not writing

497
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Speaker 1: it off. I'm just saying I'm not. It's not gonna

498
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: bother me if they don't pull the trigger on a

499
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,959
Speaker 1: safety with their top four picks Katie and Jeff specifically,

500
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: I mean, whenever it comes to this front office and

501
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: you're coming up at forty four and you've got Trey

502
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: von Mowig on the board, you've already addressed a big

503
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: need with your pick at ten, whether it's corner or

504
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: edge rusher or maybe even defensive tackle. If you want

505
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: to go with Christian Barmore there, you address a defensive

506
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: need at ten. Let's just say that. And Morigg is

507
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,239
Speaker 1: sitting there at forty four. He's a top safety on

508
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 1: your board, and he compare with with Donovan Wilson. You

509
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: have those two guys on the backside of the defense.

510
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Speaker 1: You're you're saying that they won't do that. You don't

511
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Speaker 1: think they would invest that high of a pick at

512
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Speaker 1: forty four overall to maybe go get a safety, even

513
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Speaker 1: though he's a Texas kid. He's a guy that's right

514
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: down the road at TCU. You've seen him plague on

515
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 1: countless occasions. I mean, they could, but if they feel

516
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: about him the way that let's say um Kat does,

517
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: and you're like, I don't have an idea of what

518
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: my top fifty would look like, he might be in it.

519
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: I bet that's around the area. But you know, in

520
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: a draft and when you get even to forty four,

521
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: I would bet, and maybe Dane can help out here.

522
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: With all the connects in the NFL, I bet it's

523
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Speaker 1: rare that you get to the forty fourth pick in

524
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Speaker 1: the draft and you have that pick and you don't

525
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Speaker 1: have one of your top thirty players available. That the

526
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Speaker 1: way it and so like for me, I like what

527
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: Dane is doing with these edge guys because mine's the

528
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: same one. So he's like, hey, who do you like

529
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: better between so and so and so and so and

530
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: so and so and I'm like, dude, I got every

531
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Speaker 1: single one of them, as like pick them somewhere around thirty,

532
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 1: like all of them. So there's there's a chance you're

533
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: going to get there, And do you want to not

534
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: even necessarily reach because if he's your let's say he's

535
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: your forty fifth best player and you're at forty four,

536
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily a reach. But you look up you're like, oh,

537
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: or twenty eighth best player available is available, Like it's

538
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: um bash them the defensive end or it's Osie. But like, yeah,

539
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: like you got these, you got these pass rushers that

540
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: are available. I don't. I don't want to reach because

541
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm desperate and I need something there. I don't want

542
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: to I would rather just sign Xavier Woods on a

543
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: one year deal and play them at free safety and

544
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: go pick the best players. Well, I know last year,

545
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: uh Antoine Winfield, the Bucks had a pretty high grade

546
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: on him. And they got him a forty five. So

547
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's probably rare for it to happen.

548
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: But one example from last year. Yeah, and I think

549
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: now that you know, like we know Donovan Wilson can't

550
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: cover no offense, Donovan good player, strong safety type, we

551
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: know he can't cover. So it's like it's very clear

552
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: what you're looking for. It's out there. It's Trevon Moory

553
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: fast enough to go play free safety for you. I

554
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:36,959
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think. Okay, that's just me and

555
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: then I don't hate the player or anything, but like

556
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: I've got a pretty specific role for you. Man. If

557
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: we're transitioning to playing a lot of Cover three and

558
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: things like that, a lot of single high type stuff,

559
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: then I got to have trust and range. And look,

560
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: I think his instincts are fine. I think when it's

561
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: when we're talking about getting from the hash to the

562
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: opposite side of the field numbers to go make a

563
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: play on the ball, I don't know if he can

564
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: get there. And that's that kind of bothers me. Yeah,

565
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be a worry if he comes

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Speaker 1: out and runs maybe a four five or four five

567
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Speaker 1: five or something like that a little bit faster than

568
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Speaker 1: that four six that we kind of talked about earlier

569
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Speaker 1: as a potential for morag And I know there's no combine.

570
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: I know it's probably gonna take place down the road

571
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: in Fort Worth. But if he comes out and runs

572
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: something pretty decent, I think his draft stock goes up

573
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: for me as a free safety because he played a

574
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Speaker 1: lot of Cover three and played a lot of that

575
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576
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Speaker 1: they've run a lot of that stuff in the Big twelve,

577
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Speaker 1: and I think he could potentially fit alongside Donovan and

578
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: Wilson quite well. Okay, so when we come back here

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Speaker 1: it's Jeff Kavanaugh, Dane Brugler, Kevin Turner, and Kyle Yeomans,

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Speaker 1: who has the Twitter on the twenty questions, is going

636
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: to be back with us momentarily. So until then, the

637
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: runsheet is also on my phone. What's the third segment, Katie?

638
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl stuff? Right, so let's let's just let's talk

639
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: about Senior Bowl next week. We got a Yeah, let's

640
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: let's do twitter on the forty five's and we'll talk

641
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: about the Senior Bowl right here. Hey, my my top

642
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: one hundred I had thirty seven players that are on

643
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl roster. So we're talking about some pretty

644
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: good talent. It's going to be in Mobile next week.

645
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: Davante Smith reveal that is going to be there and

646
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: he's doing a really smart thing, but with no combine

647
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: we don't know what the pro days are gonna look like.

648
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: He's gonna get some FaceTime with the Miami Dolphins, who

649
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: owned that number three pick. Pretty shrewd move on his part,

650
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: even though he won't be able to practice with that

651
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: thumb injury. It's a it's a pretty interesting group with

652
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: the roster they're putting together for the Senior Bowl. What

653
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: are some of what do you think are some of

654
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: the First of all, Jim Naggie does an incredible job

655
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: of getting guys because I didn't always think of the

656
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl this way, and maybe I just didn't pay

657
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: enough attention, but I didn't always think of the Senior

658
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: Bowl as a place where there's a whole bunch of

659
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: first round picks. But the last few years, I mean

660
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: really before Naggie was even taking part, and it was

661
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: when we were there with Aaron Donald and Zach Martin.

662
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: But now, I mean, you're getting one one, You're getting

663
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: quarterbacks who go number one overall, you're getting linemen, and

664
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: you're just they get such great players. What are to

665
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: you the best groups where you know when you're getting

666
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: to see and getting a hold of the tape of

667
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: the one on ones and all those things of your

668
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: sort of projections. What are the best groups? Uh? You know,

669
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: I don't know that this year we have a lot

670
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: of the you know, top Like into my top twenty five,

671
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: there's only one guy that's going to be participating and

672
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: that's Kadarius Tony. So I don't know that we have

673
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: a lot of the high end guys. But in between

674
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: twenty five and sixty there's a lot of senior Bowl guys.

675
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: And I'm interested in the tackles first, the edge rushers.

676
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: You know, seeing a guy like Alex Leatherwood Alabama left tackle,

677
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: or Liam Eichenberg Notre Dame's left tackle going up against

678
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: one on one with some of these edge rushers, whether

679
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: it's a Carlos Bashum or Rashad Weaver from pitt that's

680
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: gonna be I think a really good matchup those offensive

681
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: line one on ones. A chance to see Deonte Brown,

682
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: that big, hulking offensive guard for Alabama. How can he

683
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: hold up in space? He came up, came in at

684
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: number fifty on my board. I'm a big fan of

685
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: Deonte Brown. How does he do against a Levi own Zawiki,

686
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: who you know is such a violent player at defensive tackle.

687
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: So those one on ones in the trench's offensive line

688
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: defensive line should be a lot of fun. And then

689
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: also wide receiver and uh in corner you know mentioned

690
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: I mentioned Kadarius Tony. He is as elusive as it

691
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: gets as a route runner. His ability to uncover is

692
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: just dynamic. And how how do corners come back that,

693
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: you know, besides just saying a prayer. It's it's gonna

694
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: be tough for those guys in that situation. But you

695
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: know Melofon from Syracuse for example, how does he hold

696
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: up on the outside. That should be a great test.

697
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of those one on one

698
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: matchups that will be interesting. Last year, whenever the Cowboys

699
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: were at the Senior Bowl and they had needs of

700
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: like defensive tackle and they had edge rusher, I mean,

701
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: they came out with guys like Neville Gallimore and they

702
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: came out with guys like Bradley and I at the

703
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: same time, I see there's a lot of back end

704
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: cornerback talent. There's a lot of linebacker talent. I mean,

705
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: we've talked about Baron Browning out of Ohio State on

706
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: this show before. Jabril cox On from Lash Charles Nowden

707
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: for Virginia. These are all guys that I think at

708
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: least that linebacker you could compare that to the corner

709
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: class as well, that could potentially show out at the

710
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl and catch the eyes of maybe some of

711
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: these Dallas Cowboys. Scout Katie, do you think there's a

712
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: specific position in which the Cowboys will go out and

713
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 1: maybe take one of these guys from Mobile. I mean, look, yeah,

714
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: we know they need defense, right you know, for me,

715
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: like when I'm when I think about the Senior Bowl,

716
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: it does help, you know, it does help to go

717
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: along and supplement you know, the tape that you've watched,

718
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: and I always have a hard time grouping the wide receivers,

719
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 1: like ranking the wide receivers, and it's always a little helpful,

720
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, to see these guys in one on one

721
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: situations and things like that, just in terms of stacking

722
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: your players at wide receivers sometimes because there's just so

723
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: much chaos at wide receiver all the time. We know

724
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: this team needs defense. Looking there's a there's a lot

725
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 1: of um there's a lot of options that they're gonna

726
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: have with four picks in the top one oh five,

727
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: And I look at you, Dan, kind of Mitchell the

728
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: defensive tackles, I have to spend a lot of time there. Um,

729
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, guys like well I will mention one day,

730
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: you know, like Marvin Wilson, a guy who's tape I

731
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: loved last year. His tape from this year is you know,

732
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: a little shaky. What's he gonna look like at the

733
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl? Um, you know, that's something I'm really looking

734
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: forward to. Carlos Basham, as Dane mentioned. I mean, that's

735
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: a guy who are we talking? Is that a first

736
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: round tap guy or is he a guy who maybe

737
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: slides and maybe he's there for you at pick forty four.

738
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a guy who I'm kind of keeping

739
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: an eye on. But you know, I think when you

740
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: look at the linebacker position, you know, I like the

741
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: names that they're going with that linebacker. I'm a big

742
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 1: believer that you can find linebackers who can immediately step

743
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: in and play for you in the third round, in

744
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: the fourth round, and I think we'll see what they

745
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: do with Jalen. I like the idea of moving late

746
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: Vader esh to middle linebacker and leaving him there if

747
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: you want to do that, and going to find a

748
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: little faster. You know, I want to get the two

749
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five, two hundred and thirty pound linebacker.

750
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: The guys you can run. What Didjabrol Cox look like?

751
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't love his tape at LSU, But

752
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: I know what he can do, and I know what

753
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: kind of player he is, and I know he can

754
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: run with crossing routes, and I know he can cover

755
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: a little bit and things like that. Maybe that fits

756
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: this scheme very well. Um So, I mean for me there,

757
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: they're focused will be on defense. It has to be.

758
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: It's it's it's where they are as a as a

759
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: program right now. They have to so that's what's gonna

760
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: be about for me. But it's always I let Dane

761
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: mentioned the fun stuff is the one on ones. Let's

762
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: not let's not lie to ourselves here. The fun stuff

763
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: is the one on ones. It's the big Daddy's getting

764
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: after it, and it's the wide receivers and cornerbacks and

765
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: things like that. That's all great, And there's a couple

766
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: of other things. I just wanted to jump in because

767
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: I had a thought because Katie, you're talking about linebacker,

768
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: and depending on what this team does roster wise, if

769
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: J Smith is your middle linebacker, you guys, tell me,

770
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: because I finally am caught up on all the top linebackers.

771
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: You're okay with a two hundred and fifteen pound linebacker

772
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: these days? Because I am you okay if I tell

773
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: you that coma. Yes, Notre Dame Coromoa is an absolute monster.

774
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: I love him as a linebacker. Some people might think

775
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: he's a box safety. Whatever. He's just a hell of

776
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: a football player that can cover, that can run, that

777
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: can tackle, He can do everything. You guys, okay, now,

778
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: captain trade down would be the perfect way to do this.

779
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: But maybe he does go in the top ten to twelve,

780
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: or maybe you can get him at fifteen to twenty.

781
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: But you guys cool with rocking with that. No, I

782
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: do think that if you want him, you gotta take

783
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: him a ten. He's he has rare explosiveness for a

784
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen pounder, and those guys just don't last,

785
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: you know. I think we're past the point where teams

786
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: are going to be like always just a guy without

787
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: a position. I mean, he can do so much. He

788
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: was a perfect fit for that rover position that Notre

789
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: Dame used where he's a linebacker on some plays, he's

790
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: a safety on others, he's a nickel on others. I mean,

791
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: he can do so much for you. Now he's he's

792
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: so explosive, and because of that, he will fall step

793
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: quite a bit, He'll be caught out a position. But

794
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: you live with that, you live with the inconsistent tape

795
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: because of the flexibility he gives you the playmaking range.

796
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's that high ceiling chess piece defender.

797
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: So if you want him, you gotta take him at ten.

798
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: And I think he was like fourteen or fifteen on

799
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: my board, which you know, but I would have no

800
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: problem taking him at number ten. I think he's that

801
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: good of a player. He's my linebacker one one. Hey,

802
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: look at that. Agree. Okay, back to back to Senior

803
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: Bowl stuff. Sorry for diverting it because the other thing

804
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: that I think is worth talking about, and I'll just

805
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: probably allupe this to Dane because again, best in the business.

806
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you. One of the things that happens at

807
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl every year is we get all these

808
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: guys at Ali Marpett. We get all these guys that

809
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: are from these tiny schools where they have bounce out

810
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: us is in the end zone when you watch him

811
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: on tape and you're like, oh, congratulations, you're out here

812
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: pancaking two hundred and seventeen pound nose tackle. Way to

813
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: kill it, buddy. But you get to the Senior Bowl

814
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: and suddenly the degree of difficulty changes, and when those

815
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: guys continue to show out, Suddenly a guy who might

816
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 1: have been a fourth or fifth, all of a sudden,

817
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: it's holy cow, look at that went in the second round.

818
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: You can make a ton of money. Is a small

819
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: school guy at the Senior Bowl. So who are some

820
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: of those guys that can make a bunch of money here?

821
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: I think there are two that immediately come to mind.

822
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: Two offensive linemen. Spencer Brown at Northern Iowa. This guy's huge,

823
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: six eight, he's a tight end, defensive lineman and eight

824
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: man football in high school. Goes to Northern Iowa. They

825
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: bulk him up. He moves really well, very physical demeanor.

826
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 1: It just is he powerful enough. What he does during

827
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: the week in mobile will help us kind of determine

828
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,959
Speaker 1: where Spencer Brown belongs. And then Grambling State David Moore.

829
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: He's under six foot one, so he's not going to

830
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: UH you know, the maybe on paper doesn't look that great,

831
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: but he's got almost thirty four inch arms. The athleticism

832
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: is really good. He carries his three hundred and twenty

833
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 1: pounds very well, flexible hips, does great in the open field,

834
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: so he can pull, he can move. It's just how

835
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 1: does he catch up to the speed of the NFL game.

836
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: That's something that you want to see him against better competition.

837
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: So seeing David Moore in one on ones during practice

838
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: will help give scouts a better idea of that. Is

839
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: he a fifth rounder or a third rounder. That's something

840
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: that the Senior Bowl will tell us And just kind

841
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: of piggybacking on that, just the overarching thought from the

842
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl how important it is this year with no

843
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, with not knowing what's the rest of the

844
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: draft process combo for us? Oh sorry, yeah, no combine.

845
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: You know, everything's gonna be virtual, you know, the one

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849
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: the guys at the Senior Bowl are going to have

850
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Speaker 1: that opportunity where all these juniors, the seniors that didn't

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Speaker 1: make the cut for the Senior Bowl, or maybe the

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Speaker 1: They're not going to get that. And at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, you never know. That could be the

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Speaker 1: difference between this year, especially when we don't have a combine.

856
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: That could be the difference between where are these guys

857
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: stack up on team's draft boards. That's kind of where

858
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: I'm looking at for guys on the defensive line, and

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Speaker 1: of course the Cowboys took a defensive tackle for the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl last year at Neville, gaalbum warm, But I

861
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Speaker 1: also like Washington's Levi. Okay, Dan, you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: help me with this one. This one of the ones

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Speaker 1: I haven't found a pronunciation for. You own Zurika owns Zerik.

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Speaker 1: I like him a lot on tape, but it's twenty

865
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Speaker 1: nineteen tape and he opted out. But now he gets

866
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Speaker 1: a chance to go to the Senior Bowl. And we

867
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Speaker 1: kind of mentioned him in passing on Tuesday, But what

868
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: do you think about what he could bring to the table.

869
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: And then also Marvin Wilson out of Florida, Stay Malik

870
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: carrying out of Georgia. There's a really good defensive linemen

871
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: in this class, especially in the interior. I also like

872
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: some of the edge rushers as well. Yeah, I think

873
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: we beat up this defensive tackle class maybe a little

874
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Speaker 1: bit too much because we didn't have that top guy.

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00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: Uh you know, maybe Christian Barmore ends up going top twenty.

876
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: But you know, overall, it's not the strongest defensive tackle

877
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Speaker 1: class in terms of first round players. But there's some

878
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Speaker 1: quality guys on Day two, and I think owns aweek

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Speaker 1: An Zerique he's right there. I mean, by the time

880
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Speaker 1: it's all said and done, if he plays up to

881
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: his ability at the Senior Bowl, I think he could

882
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: push for first round status because he's so violent, he's

883
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: so quick. You know, he played nose tackle and Washington's

884
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: three four, so you know, he was constantly lined up

885
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Speaker 1: over the center, face up face a lot of doubles.

886
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: You know, the stat sheet doesn't look great, but when

887
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: you watch the film, you just see a guy that

888
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Speaker 1: doesn't quit. I mean, he just he fires off the

889
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: snap consistently, make makes plays away from h you know,

890
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: his because he's so rangy as a player. I mean

891
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: just calling him active just doesn't do him justice. But

892
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 1: that is also kind of where his weaknesses are because

893
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: he plays so hard that he'll play he'll play tall

894
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: pad level. He plays a little scattered that it allows

895
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: him to be redirected by blockers. But if you're looking

896
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Speaker 1: for a guy who's a twitchy, big man, he's got

897
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Speaker 1: the violent hands, plays quick owns Erique, He's that prototypical

898
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: kind of three technique and I think that could be he.

899
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked at all if we're talking after

900
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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl we're talking about owns Urique as one

901
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Speaker 1: of those risers. I like it a lot. And by

902
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Speaker 1: the way, I was just looking up Spencer Brown. I

903
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: haven't watched him on tape at all, But if you're

904
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl and you're in Mobile, you're not

905
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,160
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906
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Speaker 1: of the Grambling State helmet And two he's six foot

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Speaker 1: nine twenty pounds, or at least that's what they have

908
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: him listed at. I don't know if you can give

909
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: or take a couple inches there, but I mean that's

910
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: a massive human being as an offensive tackle. But yeah,

911
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: plenty of prospects to look at on the Senior Bowl

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Speaker 1: twenty would you trade Amari Cooper? And I'm gonna throw

959
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup in here as well, just for the funzies

960
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: of it. But Amari Cooper, Michael Gallup for a late

961
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: first round, early second round and maybe try and draft

962
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: a quality defensive tackle or free safety. We talked a

963
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: lot about those two positions today. He says it opens

964
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: up the options to draft Kyle Pitts at ten or

965
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: even another wide receiver early and save the cap space

966
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Speaker 1: for guys that are coming up on big contracts. Jeff,

967
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: what do you say? I think we've gone way too

968
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: far with the Amari Cooper thing. It's weird how his

969
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: career path has kind of swung back and forth. Like

970
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: when they first traded for him. I was like, well,

971
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: we got to keep in mind that Oakland did let

972
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper go for a reason, right, So like that happened.

973
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: But after last year and watching the year that he

974
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: just had with the offensive line and the rotation of quarterbacks,

975
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper is really important to this team. And I

976
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 1: just hope people realize that Amari Cooper's your real life

977
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: number one receiver. If Amari Cooper wasn't on this team,

978
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup's life gets really, really hard. Michael Gallup's not

979
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: the player that you're seeing him be if Amari Cooper

980
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: is not on this team. So look, in a world

981
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Speaker 1: where somebody's going to give you a one or an

982
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: early two for Michael Gallup when he's got one year

983
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: left on his deal, sure you do that, But Mariy Cooper,

984
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: I would stop thinking about trying to trade him. He's

985
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: incredibly important to your team. It's criminal that he was

986
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: not second team wide receiver and Cole Beasley was well,

987
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: Colbasley was the starting slot on Peter King's ball Pro team. Well,

988
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: Mark Cooper plays some slots sometimes. Us here's the path,

989
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: quite frankly, here's the path to getting Kyle Pitts. If

990
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: you want him, you take him at ten. Like that's

991
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: the path, right, there, No, we have to maneuver for

992
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: everyone else. You're gonna have Cooper, Gallop and Ceee Lamb

993
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: with Kyl Pits. That's your team if you do it.

994
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: But I you know, I'm not saying it's what I

995
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: would do. Um, but I'm telling you that's what that's

996
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: what you do. You just sit there, you take him

997
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: at ten. You have to worry about trading to anybody.

998
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: And I understand the question what loaded up at defense

999
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: tackle later the Jeff, you're keeping your guys, you're adding

1000
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: kal Pits to that mix. Yeah, well, I think what

1001
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: Jeff said. If you have someone calls and offers you

1002
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: in early two for Gallup, yeah you do that. I

1003
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: mean that, that's pretty Yeah, that's pretty easy. Nobody's gonna

1004
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: do that. They would rather just pick Rashad Bateman or whatever.

1005
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: They're gonna pick up four year cheap player at the

1006
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: top of two and they're not trading for Gallup. Yeah, exactly.

1007
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: That that's it's unrealistic to think that you can probably

1008
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 1: get that for him. Uh you know, not that Gallup's

1009
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: not a good player, it's just when you factor in

1010
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: the depth of this wide receiver class, and in fact,

1011
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: he has one year left on his rookie deal. That

1012
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: that's that those are, that's the context of the situation.

1013
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just you know, you're not going to

1014
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: give away Gallup. I mean, he's gonna be on this

1015
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: team next year. It might be his last year in Dallas.

1016
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't think you can completely rule

1017
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: out Kyle Pitts at ten, but yeah, it's still probably

1018
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: a long shot. So I completely agree with all of you.

1019
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: Don't trade Amari Cooper. I don't know what you would

1020
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: even be able to get for Michael Gallup. The teams

1021
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: are aware that he's on the final year of his

1022
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: deal as well. I mean, they're not just going to

1023
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Speaker 1: give up premium draft picks in order to get to

1024
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: that point. But I wanted to throw that in there

1025
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Speaker 1: because I wouldn't have even remotely thought about the Amari

1026
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: Cooper trade. Gallup would be the only one. But it

1027
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Speaker 1: depends on what you just at just quickly, Kyle, could

1028
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 1: I throw this in here, like in a real crazy world,

1029
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 1: because Pitts, you wouldn't have to make any moves because

1030
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Speaker 1: he would be playing tight end, like he would line

1031
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: up wide some or whatever. But you know, if you

1032
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Speaker 1: had an absurd scenario where the Cowboys drafted Jamaar Chase

1033
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: or Davante Smith or Jalen Waddle at number ten even

1034
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: though you already have your three wide receivers and you

1035
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Speaker 1: wanted to trade Gallup. To me, the scenario is you're

1036
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: finding teams that are like you. You're looking around for

1037
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: a team that has a safety or a DTEC or

1038
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: a whatever that's on the last year of his deal

1039
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: that's not going to sign him, and you're trading player

1040
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: for player with Gallup. You're not doing the draft pick thing. Yeah, no,

1041
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: I would agree with that completely. But moving on with

1042
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Speaker 1: an X question, Randall Walker comes out and he says,

1043
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Speaker 1: I feel like Joseph Osai out of Texas is not

1044
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: being talked about enough as a top talent anyway that

1045
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: he falls to the second round Dallas pick or would

1046
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: they have to move back up to get him. Dame

1047
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: Brugler oh side is really interesting because he's not like, uh,

1048
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: he's not an explosive player like that. He wins more

1049
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: with motor than he does explosion. And that's okay. I

1050
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: mean this is this is a guy who his foot

1051
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 1: is always on the gas. Uh, that first step quickness

1052
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: and his ability to just never quit. That leads to

1053
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: production that that's that's great. You want a guy with

1054
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: that play personality. Uh, he might be the most impressive

1055
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: pursuit player that I've scattered up to this point. Um,

1056
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 1: I do think I didn't love him as much as

1057
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 1: maybe I thought just watching him, you know, seeing Texas

1058
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: play this year on TV. But I studied the tape.

1059
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 1: Lacks a lot of variety and how he attacks the pocket. Um,

1060
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: you know, he just needs to learn how to harness

1061
00:53:54,880 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: all that energy to be more efficient eliminate those wasted steps. Us.

1062
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 1: He's a little bit inconsistent as a low run defender,

1063
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: so I like Osai a lot. I think he's in

1064
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: a late one, early two conversation, So I don't think

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00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: he lasts as far as what forty where they're picking

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00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: forty four, I don't. I don't think he lasts quite

1067
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: that far. But I do think he's probably closer to

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00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: forty four than ten. I have written down on my

1069
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: notes recognition skills need improvement, because there are just some

1070
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: times where he's falling for fakes and things like that.

1071
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: And another thing I would say hurt his left shoulder

1072
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty. So we're gonna just

1073
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: keep an eye on that old shoulder from Joseph Asi

1074
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: hard guy. I mean, the effort is incredible when you

1075
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: watch it, but I have my questions about him being

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00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: a you know, top forty pick even so. I mean

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00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: I like the tape. I enjoy the player. It's just

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00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe he falls to you at forty four.

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00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: He's an option. I need to know more about this

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00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: shoulder though. That's concerning to me. Now that's a good

1081
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: point because I think whenever you look at Texas tape,

1082
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: he sticks out. I mean, he's the guy that's making

1083
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: plays defensively, and he's the guy who, like you said,

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00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: it's the hustle, it's the motor, it's the leadership. You

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00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: see all of that whenever he was playing on that

1086
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: Longhorn defense. And I think that's something that you got

1087
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: to put in there, is that injury history and then

1088
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: also the fact that there are some inconsistencies with this tape,

1089
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: but it's something that might potentially be coached out in

1090
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: the future. Okay, Daniel Roberts asked, because he asked this

1091
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: on Twitter a couple of times the other day. As well,

1092
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: but he said, I feel like they jumped the gun

1093
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: on the NFL combine. He thinks that the combine would

1094
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: be a perfect section situation for a bubble, kind of

1095
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: like the NBA. He wanted a combine bubble. And he's asking,

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00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: how can they do the Senior Bowl in no combine?

1097
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: So kind of shifting this question around Dane, why would

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00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: the NFL prioritize not having the combine and in order

1099
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 1: to keep these players in these coaches safe. Well, we're

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00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: talking about a lot fewer players at at the Senior Bowl,

1101
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,439
Speaker 1: like a third fewer, so right there, that's we're talking

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00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: about a lot of guys. Also, you know, like NFL teams,

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00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: I think they're only allocated maybe ten per per team

1104
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: in terms of scouting personnel. So I mean, this year's

1105
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl is not going to be like just any

1106
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: old Senior Bowl. It's gonna be very very different how

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00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: they're doing it, and we're talking about a lot less

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00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: people than the combine. The combine is. You know, when

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00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: you when you include all the NFL personnel, you include

1110
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: all the players, you include all the media that goes

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00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 1: to the combine you're talking about. I don't know twenty

1112
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: five hundred three thousand people alone, just just just that

1113
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: those groups. So it's just the sheer numbers are tough. Um. Now,

1114
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: I'm surprised they didn't figure it out. I thought they

1115
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: would would have been able to figure out a bubble.

1116
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: But you know, you also have to have Indianapolis play ball.

1117
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: M It's not just the NFL wants it to happen.

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00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: It'll happen. You have to have you know, the stadium,

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00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: the convention Center, all these different moving parts be on board.

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00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: And so it's just became too much, and they decided

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00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: for this year. And I don't think the Combine's going

1122
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: away full time because there's there's so much that it's

1123
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: the second biggest event on the entire NFL calendar. So

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00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going away for good. There's too

1125
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: much that happens there. It's just it's it's just a

1126
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: bummer that we won't have it this year. This will

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00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: be my first time since gosh, I don't know, oh

1128
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: eight that I won't be at the Combine. So it's

1129
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: just not having that February trip to Indianapolis is going

1130
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: to be weird. It's gonna be really weird. I think overall.

1131
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: I mean even last year the combine kind of felt

1132
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: like the last big event prior to COVID really taking over.

1133
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: I remember sitting in the hotel room looking at a

1134
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: TV screen talking about coronavirus. I was like, what is that?

1135
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: I mean, that was that was crazy? What the kind

1136
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,959
Speaker 1: of timing that went down with it? Now, this one's

1137
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: for Kat and this is from Red on Twitter. He say,

1138
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: can we get a breakdown on a Lee McNeil defensive

1139
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: tackle from INCA State? He said, Hayes disappointed that he

1140
00:57:55,840 --> 00:58:00,439
Speaker 1: didn't come up in the defensive conversation on Tuesday. Jeff,

1141
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: did you say you hated him? Oh? No, I said,

1142
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: Dane hates him. He did my top one hundred him

1143
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: his DT eight. I've got him as DT like three

1144
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: or four. Wow, he is my as I pull up

1145
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: my thing, here went two three four yeah, DT four. Uh.

1146
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: I think he's awesome. And if he if he truly

1147
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: played at three thirty five last year, no one, no

1148
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: one moved like three thirty five. You would think this

1149
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: guy's a lumbering guy. This guy's explosive. Um, you know,

1150
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: played nos primarily at NC State. But the getoff is there.

1151
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,479
Speaker 1: The quickness for his size is there. He was double

1152
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: teamed all the time at NC State, but you know

1153
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: when he didn't get the chance to rush the password

1154
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: is a one on one situation, you'd see him walk

1155
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: through the center back. Um. You know, I think to me,

1156
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: he also played outside. What's interesting about him? So he

1157
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: ran a four two seven short shuttle in the past,

1158
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: which technically would be faster than both Bradley Chubb and

1159
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: Montes Sweat, just to get an idea of his quickness,

1160
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: Like that is a dude who can move. Um. So yeah,

1161
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: I need to see him playing with better technique that

1162
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: that's a big problem with him. But the speed, the agility,

1163
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: and then the power that he plays with, it's all there.

1164
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: I really loved his tape and I've got a second

1165
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: round grade on him. What don't you like about him, Dane? Well,

1166
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't see the most rangey player. And

1167
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: you know part of it. They played him as a

1168
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: nose tackle head up over the center. Um, primarily in

1169
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: that that odd front that they run. Um, he was

1170
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: part of a big rotation. I think that helped him

1171
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: stay fresh. I think I like him. I mean, I

1172
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: think he's he's heavy, handed Uh. He's got that thickness

1173
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: to him. Uh, you know, the thick thighs, the thick

1174
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: torso big bubble. Uh. Plays close to the ground. Uh.

1175
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: That allows him to help, you know, eat up blockers,

1176
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: win gaps. Uh. Reminded me of Javon Hargrief type, that

1177
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: type of defensive tackle. So no, I'm a fan, and

1178
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I do have him a little bit

1179
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: too low because I do like him. I do think

1180
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: he's a solid player. I just in terms of impact potential,

1181
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,919
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of influencing the backfield and things

1182
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: like that. I asked him a little bit of questions there,

1183
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: but I do think he's a solid player. I like

1184
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: him up there. I have him as as DT three

1185
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: as well. I'm right there in that three to four range.

1186
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: Him and Marvin Wilson kind of go back and forth

1187
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: to me a little bit, but I'm interested to see

1188
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: what Wilson does at the Senior Bowl. Plenty more to

1189
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: come here from these four guys on the Draft Show

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01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: back next Thursday, ten am Central time. We will be

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Speaker 1: back with these three on Tuesday. You will be with

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Speaker 1: Brian brought us, Bucky Brooks, and David Helmett. But for

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Speaker 1: Dame Brugler for Jeff Cavanaugh, for Kevin kat Turner, and

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01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: Chris Bean Back in the studio. I'm Kyle, you have

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