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Speaker 4: There's Gandhi and there's Danielle and Skeary and Scotty Bee's
Speaker 4: joining us, and there's a straight and eight. Okay, we
Speaker 4: got a houseful. Hey, I know that Gandhi, you and
Speaker 4: daniel both finished the ocean Gate disaster Titan the ocean
Speaker 4: Gate Disaster, Yes, and I started it. And I was
Speaker 4: just telling them a second ago that I wasn't in
Speaker 4: the headspace to watch it because it was so sad,
Speaker 4: and it was it was infuriating. Also, yeah, yeah, outrageous.
Speaker 4: So let's talk about it. I mean, it's getting a
Speaker 4: lot of views for many reasons. One, it's it's a
Speaker 4: big piece of story history for us. We saw it unfold.
Speaker 4: Remember when they said they only have so many hours
Speaker 4: to breathe down there?
Speaker 2: Absolutely yep, And then we found out what was really good.
Speaker 2: So where do you want to start?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a really good tutorial in
Speaker 1: exactly what not to do, especially when it comes to
Speaker 1: running a business and or science and engineering. You hire
Speaker 1: people around you for checks and balances to tell you
Speaker 1: and fill in the blanks about the things that you
Speaker 1: don't know, and then you're supposed to listen to them, right,
Speaker 1: And that did not happen here, And I just thought
Speaker 1: through the whole thing, which is what I was asking Danielle.
Speaker 1: You know his team, because so many people on that
Speaker 1: team left because they said, what the hell is happening here?
Speaker 1: This is wildly unserted.
Speaker 3: Because they knew something bad was gonna happen. Yeah, they knew,
Speaker 3: and they didn't want to be part of it.
Speaker 1: So all these people left. So I was asking her,
Speaker 1: do you think when that first news bullet went out, Hey,
Speaker 1: the ocean Gate submersible has gone missing? Every single one
Speaker 1: of them was like, oh, yeah, we know exactly what happened.
Speaker 3: Because I thought, how many times during that documentary did
Speaker 3: you see it? You know, they were testing different ones
Speaker 3: and it would go down and the pressure would get
Speaker 3: so bad and then it would explode. Yeah, And I
Speaker 3: was like, oh my gosh, it's so crazy that that's
Speaker 3: actually how the guy dies. And he's testing all of this,
Speaker 3: so I think they knew right away that it exploding.
Speaker 1: That complosion stuff is wild. And the fact that he
Speaker 1: put his body in it every time was fascinating. Part
Speaker 1: of me respected that because he was like, I believe
Speaker 1: in this, I'm going to go down and do it.
Speaker 1: But it's like, imagine you have a car and as
Speaker 1: you're driving the car, all of the lights and you know,
Speaker 1: all the warnings are going off, and then the engineer
Speaker 1: of that car is like, hey, if you go past
Speaker 1: the speed, it's going to be a bad, bad thing
Speaker 1: and you're going to die. And then you say, cool,
Speaker 1: just kill all the lights.
Speaker 3: I don't need to see those, you remember.
Speaker 4: It was really interesting how he was telling everyone on board, Hey,
Speaker 4: if you hear alarms, just ignore them.
Speaker 2: Yes, we'll get through that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no alarms are there because they're alarming you about
Speaker 4: something going wrong exactly.
Speaker 3: And there was one thing that they did. Wait, he
Speaker 3: wasn't supposed to drive the actual capsule thingy, and he
Speaker 3: decided last minute that he wasn't even trained in it.
Speaker 3: He was like, I'm driving, and the guy who was
Speaker 3: supposed to drive was like, no, I need to do it.
Speaker 3: And what did he do. He drove it right into something,
Speaker 3: he hit something with it, and then then he stopped
Speaker 3: talking to the guy who initially was supposed to drive
Speaker 3: it and he was just like like basically like a baby,
Speaker 3: I'm not talking to you anymore, and like ignoring him
Speaker 3: because the guy told him what was going to happen.
Speaker 3: I mean, ridiculous.
Speaker 4: So this guy total narcissist. He didn't stop to think
Speaker 4: that he was putting these people's lives in danger, No,
Speaker 4: including his own. Yeah, and these poor people trusted him
Speaker 4: and he gave them obviously enough information to make them
Speaker 4: think he could be trusted. Yeah, and just dangerous that
Speaker 4: people put other people in harm's way every single day
Speaker 4: in different forms of this, and he lost.
Speaker 2: He lost big for sure.
Speaker 1: And I think you know, Nate and I was kind
Speaker 1: of talking about this. He seemed like somebody who really
Speaker 1: didn't understand the concept we talk about all the time,
Speaker 1: which is failure is part of your road to success.
Speaker 1: You are going to have setbacks. That's how you learn
Speaker 1: and that's how you get better. But he wouldn't accept
Speaker 1: any of the pieces that were failures. He just kept thinking, Nope,
Speaker 1: I don't accept that you're telling me this is going
Speaker 1: to break. I'm powering through and look what happened. The
Speaker 1: ultimate failure. You have to really lean into that stuff
Speaker 1: because it's important.
Speaker 5: I want to know more about the people who trusted
Speaker 5: this guy and why didn't they do their research or
Speaker 5: you know, and properly vet him and his company.
Speaker 4: Are you talking about the customers customers have worked with him,
Speaker 4: the customers, the customers that went down there with him, Well,
Speaker 4: you know, well that says a lot about us and
Speaker 4: how we just sort of believe everything we read.
Speaker 2: Scary, that's scary.
Speaker 4: I mean any charge anytime. No, no, I'm not thinking so
Speaker 4: it makes you a bad person. But if you start
Speaker 4: believing every little ad you read and every quote unquote
Speaker 4: science results or research results that come out about this pill,
Speaker 4: that pill, this this food, that food, and you believe
Speaker 4: all of it, then you more right behind him. And
Speaker 4: that's what they did with him, he said, just enough
Speaker 4: to make them believe.
Speaker 2: Yep, it was okay to go.
Speaker 3: Down Even his own people wouldn't go to like they have, Like,
Speaker 3: so would you have gone into the submersible yourself? And
Speaker 3: the people that work with they were like.
Speaker 4: Nope, no, Well, so should that any of them be
Speaker 4: held accountable or someone accountable?
Speaker 2: They tried.
Speaker 3: They all tried, so tried.
Speaker 1: Some of them did have to end up testifying in
Speaker 1: front of the committees that were investigating what happened, but
Speaker 1: most of the engineers left or were fired on their
Speaker 1: way to doing this, So the people who were kind
Speaker 1: of left behind were almost the like weak links of
Speaker 1: the team. So yeah, it is. I mean, they should
Speaker 1: definitely have been held accountable for some of the things.
Speaker 1: But they were also saying, you know, part of the
Speaker 1: way he convinced people was because it had made it
Speaker 1: down there a few times, but every time it went
Speaker 1: down and got weaker, because every time those clicks in
Speaker 1: those pops, it was breaking. And then they sent out
Speaker 1: this rattlely, you know, horrible thing, and that's what happened.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you guys a question. Let's talk about
Speaker 2: exploration as a whole. You know, hopping on.
Speaker 4: A craft that sends you up into outer space, going
Speaker 4: into a submersible to go down and see the Titanic.
Speaker 4: I mean, you do have to basically submit and just
Speaker 4: put your life in people's hands, in their team, they're
Speaker 4: team's hands.
Speaker 2: But you want to be an adventurer.
Speaker 4: You you, of all people here on the show, Gandhi,
Speaker 4: you you are the closest to being one of those.
Speaker 3: Oh thank you would?
Speaker 2: So how would you?
Speaker 4: How would you have vetted this guy, how would you
Speaker 4: have explored, well, the goods and the bads, what this
Speaker 4: this would have been?
Speaker 2: Who could have been?
Speaker 1: That was kind of tough because I'm looking at it
Speaker 1: in hindsight where I say, hell, no, I would never
Speaker 1: do that. If I had been in a position where
Speaker 1: I said, oh, this thing's gone down so many times,
Speaker 1: it must be fine, I think I could have seen
Speaker 1: myself saying, yeah, I'll roll that dice. It's happened so
Speaker 1: many times. What can possibly go wrong? And now that
Speaker 1: I've seen this, I would not do that. I would
Speaker 1: like to believe that, you know, teams are in place
Speaker 1: for reasons, but we're learning this guy didn't do it
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 4: What about the SpaceX thing Danielle Gandhi or that's the
Speaker 4: SpaceX thing several weeks ago, Katie Perry is shooting in
Speaker 4: an outer space with Dale King or whoever they're with.
Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, they all put their.
Speaker 4: Lives in the hands of these people, right, and there
Speaker 4: was a chance that could have gone south.
Speaker 1: Of course, Yeah, I don't think that trip was worth
Speaker 1: it if I mean, all they did was like shoot
Speaker 1: up into the atmosphere and then come back down and
Speaker 1: you like, hold a daisy. That happened.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you that was a ride and an amusement.
Speaker 1: Yeah that No, if if there was a chance to
Speaker 1: maybe like go to the moon and step on the
Speaker 1: moon or go to Mars maybe, I don't know. But
Speaker 1: now that I've seen this documentary, I'm going to do
Speaker 1: a lot more research and ask for the engineering reports
Speaker 1: before we go.
Speaker 4: But but I get it back up, Daniel, you said
Speaker 4: somebody that was a ride in an amusement park.
Speaker 2: It wasn't. That was not an amusement park.
Speaker 3: No, but I've been in the atmosphere and it goes
Speaker 3: up and then it goes similar, you know.
Speaker 4: We you know they they received backlash and what ever.
Speaker 4: You know when they came back down to Earth after
Speaker 4: the five seconds in space.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they were taking a chance for their life.
Speaker 3: They definitely were. I'm sure they had assigned lots of papers.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about what you're thinking and feeling inside when
Speaker 4: you're about to hop on board one of those crafts,
Speaker 4: either under the ocean or into outer space.
Speaker 2: You're thinking, Okay, this could be it for sure.
Speaker 1: Of course, have any of you guys, how many people
Speaker 1: here have gone skydiving.
Speaker 3: You have.
Speaker 1: I think it's sort of akin to that innate you
Speaker 1: have to have. Yet it's like that feeling as you're
Speaker 1: stepping out of the plane where you sort of just
Speaker 1: have to surrender.
Speaker 2: You know, you have to.
Speaker 1: There's a chance, there's a chance that this shoot doesn't open,
Speaker 1: there's a chance I hit the ground. But that feeling
Speaker 1: in the moment of doing something so incredible, it's kind
Speaker 1: of nice.
Speaker 2: I felt that way you're ziplining.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was similar.
Speaker 2: It was similar.
Speaker 5: I felt like this this thing is I'm held together
Speaker 5: by this like rope in this Yeah, that scared the
Speaker 5: hell out of me, and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: this could be it.
Speaker 4: You feel that way when you go under the knife,
Speaker 4: when a surgeon is now going to put you to
Speaker 4: sleep and you are in their hands right. Well, so
Speaker 4: that's that you have to have that courage to do it,
Speaker 4: but you also have to understand that there are there
Speaker 4: are chances that you want to come back.
Speaker 6: You know what's funny is since I've had kids, I
Speaker 6: stopped completely taking unnecessary risks, so I won't do any
Speaker 6: of that thrill seeking stuff like I would go and
Speaker 6: hot air balloons and blimps and stuff with Greg t
Speaker 6: all the time. And then since I had kids, I
Speaker 6: won't do any of that stuff anymore because they need me.
Speaker 2: I need to be here for them.
Speaker 3: Yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Well that's a responsibility.
Speaker 4: Okay, So if you're running ocean Gate and you're taking
Speaker 4: Titan down to the depths of hell, basically, I mean
Speaker 4: he had it seems not one ounce of that same
Speaker 4: responsibility for human life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't seem to care.
Speaker 2: Now, didn't seem to care.
Speaker 3: No, he was and he was a narcissist. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: what you know.
Speaker 1: They said he wanted to be Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos.
Speaker 1: He was a D swinging contest and that's all he
Speaker 1: wanted to do was come back and be like, look
Speaker 1: what I did.
Speaker 3: And he actually didn't. He he used like that term
Speaker 3: and said that he wanted to be one of the
Speaker 3: big D swingers.
Speaker 2: He swung his.
Speaker 4: Deep and it wasn't much date to swing obviously, Titan,
Speaker 4: it's the ocean.
Speaker 2: Wait, I can't read my writing, Titan, what.
Speaker 1: Is the ocean Gate submersible disaster? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Can you read that on that? Look?
Speaker 1: No, I don't know. Says something about.
Speaker 4: Duck Anyway, Titan the ocean Gate disaster. Check it out
Speaker 4: and let's know what you think.
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