WEBVTT - Our Thoughts On The OceanGate Documentary

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<v Speaker 1>Get your heads together, and we're going to start the party.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready a party.

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<v Speaker 3>The Elvis Duran After Party.

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<v Speaker 2>The After Party Podcast. And we're here.

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<v Speaker 4>There's Gandhi and there's Danielle and Skeary and Scotty Bee's

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<v Speaker 4>joining us, and there's a straight and eight. Okay, we

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<v Speaker 4>got a houseful. Hey, I know that Gandhi, you and

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<v Speaker 4>daniel both finished the ocean Gate disaster Titan the ocean

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<v Speaker 4>Gate Disaster, Yes, and I started it. And I was

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<v Speaker 4>just telling them a second ago that I wasn't in

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<v Speaker 4>the headspace to watch it because it was so sad,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was it was infuriating. Also, yeah, yeah, outrageous.

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<v Speaker 4>So let's talk about it. I mean, it's getting a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of views for many reasons. One, it's it's a

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<v Speaker 4>big piece of story history for us. We saw it unfold.

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<v Speaker 4>Remember when they said they only have so many hours

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<v Speaker 4>to breathe down there?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely yep, And then we found out what was really good.

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<v Speaker 2>So where do you want to start?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think it's a really good tutorial in

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what not to do, especially when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>running a business and or science and engineering. You hire

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<v Speaker 1>people around you for checks and balances to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>and fill in the blanks about the things that you

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, and then you're supposed to listen to them, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And that did not happen here, And I just thought

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<v Speaker 1>through the whole thing, which is what I was asking Danielle.

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<v Speaker 1>You know his team, because so many people on that

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<v Speaker 1>team left because they said, what the hell is happening here?

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<v Speaker 1>This is wildly unserted.

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<v Speaker 3>Because they knew something bad was gonna happen. Yeah, they knew,

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<v Speaker 3>and they didn't want to be part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So all these people left. So I was asking her,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think when that first news bullet went out, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean Gate submersible has gone missing? Every single one

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<v Speaker 1>of them was like, oh, yeah, we know exactly what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I thought, how many times during that documentary did

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<v Speaker 3>you see it? You know, they were testing different ones

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<v Speaker 3>and it would go down and the pressure would get

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<v Speaker 3>so bad and then it would explode. Yeah, And I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, oh my gosh, it's so crazy that that's

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<v Speaker 3>actually how the guy dies. And he's testing all of this,

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<v Speaker 3>so I think they knew right away that it exploding.

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<v Speaker 1>That complosion stuff is wild. And the fact that he

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<v Speaker 1>put his body in it every time was fascinating. Part

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<v Speaker 1>of me respected that because he was like, I believe

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<v Speaker 1>in this, I'm going to go down and do it.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's like, imagine you have a car and as

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<v Speaker 1>you're driving the car, all of the lights and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all the warnings are going off, and then the engineer

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<v Speaker 1>of that car is like, hey, if you go past

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<v Speaker 1>the speed, it's going to be a bad, bad thing

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<v Speaker 1>and you're going to die. And then you say, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>just kill all the lights.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't need to see those, you remember.

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<v Speaker 4>It was really interesting how he was telling everyone on board, Hey,

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<v Speaker 4>if you hear alarms, just ignore them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we'll get through that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no alarms are there because they're alarming you about

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<v Speaker 4>something going wrong exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And there was one thing that they did. Wait, he

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't supposed to drive the actual capsule thingy, and he

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<v Speaker 3>decided last minute that he wasn't even trained in it.

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<v Speaker 3>He was like, I'm driving, and the guy who was

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to drive was like, no, I need to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>And what did he do. He drove it right into something,

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<v Speaker 3>he hit something with it, and then then he stopped

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<v Speaker 3>talking to the guy who initially was supposed to drive

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<v Speaker 3>it and he was just like like basically like a baby,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not talking to you anymore, and like ignoring him

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<v Speaker 3>because the guy told him what was going to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 4>So this guy total narcissist. He didn't stop to think

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<v Speaker 4>that he was putting these people's lives in danger, No,

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<v Speaker 4>including his own. Yeah, and these poor people trusted him

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<v Speaker 4>and he gave them obviously enough information to make them

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<v Speaker 4>think he could be trusted. Yeah, and just dangerous that

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<v Speaker 4>people put other people in harm's way every single day

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<v Speaker 4>in different forms of this, and he lost.

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<v Speaker 2>He lost big for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think you know, Nate and I was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of talking about this. He seemed like somebody who really

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<v Speaker 1>didn't understand the concept we talk about all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>which is failure is part of your road to success.

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<v Speaker 1>You are going to have setbacks. That's how you learn

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<v Speaker 1>and that's how you get better. But he wouldn't accept

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<v Speaker 1>any of the pieces that were failures. He just kept thinking, Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't accept that you're telling me this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to break. I'm powering through and look what happened. The

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate failure. You have to really lean into that stuff

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<v Speaker 1>because it's important.

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<v Speaker 5>I want to know more about the people who trusted

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<v Speaker 5>this guy and why didn't they do their research or

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<v Speaker 5>you know, and properly vet him and his company.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you talking about the customers customers have worked with him,

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<v Speaker 4>the customers, the customers that went down there with him, Well,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, well that says a lot about us and

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<v Speaker 4>how we just sort of believe everything we read.

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<v Speaker 2>Scary, that's scary.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean any charge anytime. No, no, I'm not thinking so

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<v Speaker 4>it makes you a bad person. But if you start

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<v Speaker 4>believing every little ad you read and every quote unquote

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<v Speaker 4>science results or research results that come out about this pill,

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<v Speaker 4>that pill, this this food, that food, and you believe

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<v Speaker 4>all of it, then you more right behind him. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's what they did with him, he said, just enough

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<v Speaker 4>to make them believe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, it was okay to go.

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<v Speaker 3>Down Even his own people wouldn't go to like they have, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>so would you have gone into the submersible yourself? And

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<v Speaker 3>the people that work with they were like.

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<v Speaker 4>Nope, no, Well, so should that any of them be

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<v Speaker 4>held accountable or someone accountable?

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<v Speaker 2>They tried.

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<v Speaker 3>They all tried, so tried.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them did have to end up testifying in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the committees that were investigating what happened, but

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<v Speaker 1>most of the engineers left or were fired on their

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<v Speaker 1>way to doing this, So the people who were kind

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<v Speaker 1>of left behind were almost the like weak links of

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<v Speaker 1>the team. So yeah, it is. I mean, they should

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<v Speaker 1>definitely have been held accountable for some of the things.

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<v Speaker 1>But they were also saying, you know, part of the

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<v Speaker 1>way he convinced people was because it had made it

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<v Speaker 1>down there a few times, but every time it went

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<v Speaker 1>down and got weaker, because every time those clicks in

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<v Speaker 1>those pops, it was breaking. And then they sent out

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<v Speaker 1>this rattlely, you know, horrible thing, and that's what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you guys a question. Let's talk about

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<v Speaker 2>exploration as a whole. You know, hopping on.

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<v Speaker 4>A craft that sends you up into outer space, going

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<v Speaker 4>into a submersible to go down and see the Titanic.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you do have to basically submit and just

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<v Speaker 4>put your life in people's hands, in their team, they're

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<v Speaker 4>team's hands.

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<v Speaker 2>But you want to be an adventurer.

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<v Speaker 4>You you, of all people here on the show, Gandhi,

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<v Speaker 4>you you are the closest to being one of those.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh thank you would?

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<v Speaker 2>So how would you?

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<v Speaker 4>How would you have vetted this guy, how would you

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<v Speaker 4>have explored, well, the goods and the bads, what this

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<v Speaker 4>this would have been?

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<v Speaker 2>Who could have been?

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<v Speaker 1>That was kind of tough because I'm looking at it

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<v Speaker 1>in hindsight where I say, hell, no, I would never

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<v Speaker 1>do that. If I had been in a position where

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<v Speaker 1>I said, oh, this thing's gone down so many times,

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<v Speaker 1>it must be fine, I think I could have seen

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<v Speaker 1>myself saying, yeah, I'll roll that dice. It's happened so

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<v Speaker 1>many times. What can possibly go wrong? And now that

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen this, I would not do that. I would

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<v Speaker 1>like to believe that, you know, teams are in place

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<v Speaker 1>for reasons, but we're learning this guy didn't do it

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<v Speaker 1>that way.

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<v Speaker 4>What about the SpaceX thing Danielle Gandhi or that's the

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<v Speaker 4>SpaceX thing several weeks ago, Katie Perry is shooting in

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<v Speaker 4>an outer space with Dale King or whoever they're with.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, seriously, they all put their.

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<v Speaker 4>Lives in the hands of these people, right, and there

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<v Speaker 4>was a chance that could have gone south.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, Yeah, I don't think that trip was worth

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<v Speaker 1>it if I mean, all they did was like shoot

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<v Speaker 1>up into the atmosphere and then come back down and

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<v Speaker 1>you like, hold a daisy. That happened.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm telling you that was a ride and an amusement.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that No, if if there was a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>maybe like go to the moon and step on the

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<v Speaker 1>moon or go to Mars maybe, I don't know. But

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<v Speaker 1>now that I've seen this documentary, I'm going to do

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more research and ask for the engineering reports

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<v Speaker 1>before we go.

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<v Speaker 4>But but I get it back up, Daniel, you said

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<v Speaker 4>somebody that was a ride in an amusement park.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't. That was not an amusement park.

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<v Speaker 3>No, but I've been in the atmosphere and it goes

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<v Speaker 3>up and then it goes similar, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>We you know they they received backlash and what ever.

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<v Speaker 4>You know when they came back down to Earth after

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<v Speaker 4>the five seconds in space.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they were taking a chance for their life.

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<v Speaker 3>They definitely were. I'm sure they had assigned lots of papers.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm talking about what you're thinking and feeling inside when

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<v Speaker 4>you're about to hop on board one of those crafts,

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<v Speaker 4>either under the ocean or into outer space.

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<v Speaker 2>You're thinking, Okay, this could be it for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, have any of you guys, how many people

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<v Speaker 1>here have gone skydiving.

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<v Speaker 3>You have.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's sort of akin to that innate you

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<v Speaker 1>have to have. Yet it's like that feeling as you're

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<v Speaker 1>stepping out of the plane where you sort of just

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<v Speaker 1>have to surrender.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you have to.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a chance, there's a chance that this shoot doesn't open,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a chance I hit the ground. But that feeling

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<v Speaker 1>in the moment of doing something so incredible, it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of nice.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt that way you're ziplining.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, it was similar.

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<v Speaker 2>It was similar.

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<v Speaker 5>I felt like this this thing is I'm held together

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<v Speaker 5>by this like rope in this Yeah, that scared the

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<v Speaker 5>hell out of me, and I'm like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 5>this could be it.

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<v Speaker 4>You feel that way when you go under the knife,

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<v Speaker 4>when a surgeon is now going to put you to

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<v Speaker 4>sleep and you are in their hands right. Well, so

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<v Speaker 4>that's that you have to have that courage to do it,

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<v Speaker 4>but you also have to understand that there are there

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<v Speaker 4>are chances that you want to come back.

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<v Speaker 6>You know what's funny is since I've had kids, I

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<v Speaker 6>stopped completely taking unnecessary risks, so I won't do any

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<v Speaker 6>of that thrill seeking stuff like I would go and

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<v Speaker 6>hot air balloons and blimps and stuff with Greg t

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<v Speaker 6>all the time. And then since I had kids, I

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<v Speaker 6>won't do any of that stuff anymore because they need me.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to be here for them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's a responsibility.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So if you're running ocean Gate and you're taking

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<v Speaker 4>Titan down to the depths of hell, basically, I mean

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<v Speaker 4>he had it seems not one ounce of that same

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<v Speaker 4>responsibility for human life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he didn't seem to care.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, didn't seem to care.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he was and he was a narcissist. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 3>what you know.

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<v Speaker 1>They said he wanted to be Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a D swinging contest and that's all he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to do was come back and be like, look

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<v Speaker 1>what I did.

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<v Speaker 3>And he actually didn't. He he used like that term

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<v Speaker 3>and said that he wanted to be one of the

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<v Speaker 3>big D swingers.

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<v Speaker 2>He swung his.

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<v Speaker 4>Deep and it wasn't much date to swing obviously, Titan,

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<v Speaker 4>it's the ocean.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, I can't read my writing, Titan, what.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the ocean Gate submersible disaster? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you read that on that? Look?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't know. Says something about.

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<v Speaker 4>Duck Anyway, Titan the ocean Gate disaster. Check it out

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<v Speaker 4>and let's know what you think.

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<v Speaker 3>The Elvis ter Ran after party