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Speaker 1: But I invited you here. I thought I made myself

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Speaker 1: perfectly clear.

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Speaker 2: But you're a guest to my home.

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Speaker 1: You gotta come to me empty, And I said, no, guests,

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Speaker 1: your presences presents enough. I already had too much stuff,

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Speaker 1: So how did you dare.

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Speaker 2: To surbey me?

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Speaker 3: Welcome to? I said, no gifts. I'm Richard Wineker, We're

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Speaker 3: in the backyard. I'm completely rattled. I woke up to

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Speaker 3: countless emails. Almost every one of them was an email

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Speaker 3: I snoozed last week, and so I'm just on the edge,

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Speaker 3: absolutely freaking out. Let's get into the podcast. I love

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Speaker 3: today's guest. It's Richard Perez. Richard, Welcome to. I said,

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Speaker 3: no gifts.

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Speaker 2: Hi, good morning.

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Speaker 3: You kind have already walked me through your morning, which

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Speaker 3: sounded so relaxed, and I was just.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the opposite of you're so tense. You are tense.

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Speaker 2: Do you snooze emails? Yeah? Yeah, depens depends, but yeah.

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Speaker 3: I snooze almost every email just to put it off

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Speaker 3: for a minute. But last week I think I snoozed

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Speaker 3: every email every day, and I woke up to probably

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Speaker 3: twenty extra emails. No, they've all been snoozed until this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: And they're all like urgent. They're not urgent, but they

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Speaker 3: all need to be responded to, right it they do.

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Speaker 3: So it's I feel like my week is just wrecked.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but you've you woke up at six

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Speaker 3: thirty this morning? I did, You're in Los Angeles. I'm

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Speaker 3: in Los Angeles from New York. How's it feeling so far?

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Speaker 4: Well, I flew into the Pacific Northwest Saturday.

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Speaker 4: I flew in Wednesday night, Okay, And so I think

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Speaker 4: I'm like acclimated or is that even the right word.

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Speaker 3: Sure, Like when you put a fish in from the

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Speaker 2: That's what happened to me. I wonder if anyone knows

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Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. No, no, no, yeah, yeah, you gotta

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Speaker 3: Bag in the fish tank right until it like gets

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Speaker 2: Yes, I feel like I remember seeing something like that.

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Speaker 2: I think a.

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Speaker 3: Video you watched as a kid. So you've acclimated to

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Speaker 3: what's happening the time. Did you drive from Portland or

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Speaker 3: No, no, I flew You're flying all over the place. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: do you enjoy flying?

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Speaker 4: The thing is like I'm new to flying. You are

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Speaker 2: No way, yeah, wow? And what was that experience?

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Speaker 4: Like it was honestly like really emotional and like amazing.

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Speaker 4: And I've flown like a little you know, more time

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Speaker 3: Right, that happens to me on almost every flight. We're

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Speaker 2: For all of that. Yeah, what do you I like?

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Speaker 2: Right, it feels incredible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I feel like we're getting close to there

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Speaker 3: being free Wi Fi on planes. Yeah, and then it

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Speaker 2: A look at my phone. Right, But that's fine.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that it ever comes. I mean maybe

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you, like, do you fly first class

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Speaker 3: Okay, first class, as far as I know, is just

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Speaker 2: I mean it's so expensive, it's super super expensive. Oh.

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Speaker 4: When I flew to Chicago last weekend, I upgraded my

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Speaker 2: But I'm sure one day I'll have to.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to, really, I'll never do it again. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's like yeah, I mean, if you really need something,

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Speaker 2: Wherever you go, right, That's what. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I used to check bags, but then when you're sending

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't want to go through that. No, you

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Speaker 3: So wasn't a playing without first class just entirely, or

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Speaker 2: Were you in one of the bed things?

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Speaker 4: I think that's how they're like, and they still label

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Speaker 2: I'm new to this. Were you treated differently a little bit?

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Speaker 2: A little bit? What does that mean?

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Speaker 4: Well, the same thing happened on my way from Portland

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Speaker 4: sensing like a pattern here, but I was I was

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Speaker 4: This flight attendant came up to me and was called

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Speaker 4: me by my last name, mister Perez.

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Speaker 2: Can I take your coat?

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Speaker 3: Because I had a trench coat and I was like wow,

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Speaker 3: I was like, I don't deserve this.

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Speaker 2: Is that really? That feels like you were actually in

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Speaker 2: Then they were also just like, do you want anything

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Speaker 2: to drink? I was like, ginger ale.

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Speaker 4: They brought a little glass with ice cubes and a

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Speaker 2: Are you a ginger ale drinker outside of a plane? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Okay, because I feel like ginger ale is like a

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Speaker 3: what music are you listening to?

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Speaker 4: Sometimes I will get kind of like, I'm like, I'm

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Speaker 2: Literally, that's what happened.

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Speaker 4: That's been that's been happening on this like little trip Chicago.

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Speaker 3: That's my memory of Chicago. And I listened to it

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Speaker 2: I kind of, yeah, I haven't listened to it.

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Speaker 2: Really, I like have grown to like love that shit.

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Speaker 4: I love when a singer is like whispering or has

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Speaker 3: And I try an album. I wonder where those are all.

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Speaker 2: But don't you think you're you're a pretty decent singer.

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Speaker 4: I think I'm good at impersonating singing.

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Speaker 3: If I were to say, like, can you sing this note?

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Speaker 3: March Simpson's that comes out of piano?

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Speaker 2: I was too scared of just trumpet trumpet? Yeah? Do

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Speaker 2: Do you own a trumpet?

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Speaker 4: I gave it away to a family member. But you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that feels like the one place of trumpet's kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but ska feels to me very Anaheim. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: I have nott never? Do you have any interest? I do?

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Speaker 2: How far is that from here?

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00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 3: Like, I think probably an hour drive. Okay, it's probably.

441
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 2: Like twenty miles or something. Uber there after this sudden

442
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 2: I inspired my cars here for sure, Thank you so much.

443
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 3: To take an uber to Disneyland. It probably cost three

444
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:31,479
Speaker 3: hundred dollars.

445
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

446
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 3: Wow, Well you'll have to go at some point. I'm

447
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 3: always curious what an adult like that has been. I've been,

448
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 3: but I went as a kid, right, and that I've

449
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 3: been a few times since, and it's obviously such a

450
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 3: different experience as an adult.

451
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 2: Was Disney like everything too? Growing up?

452
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 3: When I was in like elementary school, I loved Disney.

453
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 3: I loved the idea of going to Disneyland. Yeah, but

454
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 3: now when I go, I'm I have a hard time.

455
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 3: I have a pretty rough time there, right, But I

456
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 3: think it just entirely depends on who you're with.

457
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 2: Are you into like amusement parks and like rides?

458
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 3: And I like to like, if I'm on a ride,

459
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 3: I'm having a good time, although I get really nauseous

460
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 3: now on most rides. Yeah, Like I was okay until

461
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 3: probably the end of high school, and now I get

462
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 3: so nauseous.

463
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you get no, I do. Don't go on ride.

464
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 2: You don't go on any terrified. Have you ever been

465
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 2: on a ride?

466
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 4: Like when I was little, like like maybe like middle

467
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 4: school was like the last time I tried.

468
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 2: Wow, And then I was like, Nope, it's not for me.

469
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 2: What are you afraid's going to happen?

470
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,360
Speaker 4: I don't probably die or something. But I'm like, that's

471
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 4: not so bad.

472
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm like, uh, yeah, I don't know.

473
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 4: It's like but now I've taken plane rides now, so

474
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 4: I'm like maybe.

475
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 3: The weird thing about planes for me is I'm now

476
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 3: getting more and more scared being on planes, like and

477
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,040
Speaker 3: I've been on I think the more I go on planes, the.

478
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 2: More afraid I am.

479
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 3: No, which is very it feels like the opposite of

480
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 3: what should be happening. I don't know, but turbulence, don't

481
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 3: you get scared? During turbulence.

482
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I've only experienced it once. Horrifying. Yeah, it

483
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 2: is scary.

484
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 4: I like woke up it was a red eye, and

485
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 4: I just like woke up in the middle of like sleeping,

486
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 4: and I was like, and I was.

487
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 2: Like, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay.

488
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 2: And I was also just so tired. You're just happy

489
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 2: to die anyway.

490
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, I'm down to die. And when

491
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 4: you're so tired, you're down to die. Like do you

492
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 4: ever have that, Like, oh yeah, when you're like a

493
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 4: little paranoid, like you hear something in the middle of

494
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 4: the night in the hallway or something, but you're so

495
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 4: tired or like whatever.

496
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 3: So I can either go to sleep and die or

497
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 3: go to sleep and wake up. Yeah, that's how I am,

498
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 3: like during turbulence, Like I go through an entire cycle

499
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 3: where I'm like, oh my god, we're gonna die, and

500
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 3: then I have to like come to peace with that. Yeah,

501
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 3: and then there's a moment where I'm like, well, at

502
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 3: least i won't be on the plane anymore. And then

503
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 3: then I've finally come around to it because I'm like

504
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 3: everyone else seems fine, and even the flight attendants are

505
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 3: like walking around, So why am I.

506
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 2: Having a meltdown? Right? Yeah? But what if it's the time? Wait,

507
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 2: and I guess, then I guess it just then it's

508
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 2: just it's then it's over, and it's over.

509
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 3: Well, I think we should talk about something else. Look, Richard,

510
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 3: I was very happy to have you here today. I

511
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: was really excited to have you come over and chat,

512
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 3: just looking forward to it. So it was a little

513
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 3: surprised the podcast is called I said no gifts, and I, okay,

514
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 3: come down to the driveway and you're standing there with

515
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 3: in a You're holding a huge bag. Yeah, it's clearly

516
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 3: a gift. Okay, I'm just curious what's going on?

517
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I just well, in New Jersey, we you know,

518
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 4: my MoMA raised made it. You know, I'm going over

519
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 4: to someone's house. I think it's polite to just bring something,

520
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 4: a little treat, Okay, sure to you know who's hosting me.

521
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 4: And I'm just so excited to be here, to have

522
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 4: a conversation with you in your beautiful backyard. And I

523
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 4: thought maybe you would appreciate this gift.

524
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, should I open it here on the podcast

525
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 3: or I'm happy to open it at another time.

526
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: I think you should open it.

527
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 3: It's in this enormous bag that's just thank you on it. Yes,

528
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 3: we're pulling it out.

529
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: The birds sound wonderful. Okay.

530
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 3: Now it's in a little a little brown paper panera bag.

531
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, now we're reaching in more. There's a napkin. Oh yeah,

532
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: I forgot about that tissue paper. Oh and there's a

533
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 2: cooking inside.

534
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 3: A cookie that's like covered in eminem's that are very

535
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 3: off color.

536
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 2: I'll say, yeah, they really are.

537
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 3: These are the weirdest color like fake eminems I've ever seen.

538
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 3: There's like an army green, like a mustard yellow. I mean,

539
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 3: they're kind of tasteful, like it would be a taste

540
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 3: tasteful color palette in any other category, but as a candy,

541
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 3: it's very interesting.

542
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 2: You hate it. I hate it. I know I shouldn't

543
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 2: have done this. Tell me why you brought this to Okay.

544
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 4: I need you to understand that this is incredibly intentional. Okay, okay,

545
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 4: and I put so much effort into this gift. Okay,

546
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 4: So yesterday I arrived at Lax right right, and I'm

547
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 4: thinking about I'm like, oh, yeah, tomorrow morning I'm gonna

548
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 4: go to Bridgers.

549
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: I'm doing his podcast. I gotta get him a little gift.

550
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 4: I want to I want to show him who I

551
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 4: am some some semblence of that.

552
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 3: And I took an uber from the airport. Horrible experience

553
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 3: over there. It feels like children of Men anyway, it's horrible.

554
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I did that, okay, and then I take

555
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 4: an uber to the nearest Panera Bread, which was like

556
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 4: a ten minute drive outside the airport. Okay, I get there.

557
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 4: I ordered myself a little meal. But then I was like,

558
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 4: I'm going to bring a cookie to your house. Panera

559
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 4: Bread is very, very meaningful to me because it was

560
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 4: the first job I ever worked at as in high school, right,

561
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 4: and I worked there for like four years.

562
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: In what position cashier cook.

563
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 4: Cashier sometimes bury stock quote unquote in like dining room.

564
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: I'd like clean the tables right right.

565
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 4: And so I was like, you know what, I think

566
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 4: Panera bread is something we can we can dive into.

567
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: This is Ebbs.

568
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 3: I mean, I think we kind of shared this in common.

569
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 3: I kind of worked at Utah's version of a Panera

570
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 3: Bread one of my early jobs. And I probably told

571
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: this story on this podcast before but they accused me

572
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 3: of burglarizing it.

573
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: But I was doing similar things. I was cashier.

574
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 3: Well, I was not to brag the night shift leader,

575
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 3: and so I had a lot of a lot on

576
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,479
Speaker 3: my plate. We were both working at kind of a

577
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: bakery where I don't know, it doesn't have a lot

578
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: of respect my bakery. Well, and I also had to

579
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,719
Speaker 3: do a thing where I had to rip apart a

580
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 3: whole turkey every morning. What Yeah, why, Well, when I

581
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 3: would work the day shift, they had like turkey on

582
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 3: their sandwiches, and so they would cook whole turkeys and

583
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: then you would have to like shred it at six

584
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 3: a m. Just with your bare hands, which is one

585
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 3: of the most disgusting possible things. Yeah, but I want

586
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 3: to hear about your Panera experience.

587
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: My Panera experience.

588
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 4: I started working there when I was sixteen, and then

589
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 4: I still worked there in college. Like I would bop

590
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 4: back like from like the location, yeah, when I was

591
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 4: on break and stuff like that. So I started working

592
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 4: there it was what like two thousand and like six

593
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 4: or seven or something, And I remember in training day

594
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 4: they were like, We're an oasis from the hustle bustle

595
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 4: of like everyday life. We're here to give people a

596
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 4: little break from all that stress. We would never open

597
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 4: a Panera Bread in a major city because we want

598
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 4: to keep things really like chill essentially. And then as

599
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 4: soon as I moved to New York City in twenty eleven,

600
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 4: they opened to their first location on J Street. That's

601
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 4: just so clearly not true, which I'm like, downtown Brooklyn.

602
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, that's crazy, and the whole I feel like

603
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 4: the vibe of the plate like chain like changed. Oh

604
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 4: so you felt an actual shift, yeah, because I'm like

605
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 4: my memory of Panera Bread even like the music. I

606
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 4: remember this song. I don't know the name of it.

607
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 4: If someone knows the name of the song, please let

608
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 4: me know. But this is how it goes.

609
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: You know that song, Okay, they would play that all time.

610
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 3: Everyone's just losing their yeah on repeat, torturing their employees.

611
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: They would play that.

612
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 4: And then now I get the feeling when I go

613
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 4: to Panera Brea like more like now i feel like

614
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 4: they're like playing like we're just getting older and we

615
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 4: don't even get anymore Dana Dana, Like, I feel like

616
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 4: they would play more of that kind of stuff now, right,

617
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 4: So something changed.

618
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: I hope.

619
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 3: That's the literally the only thing they've changed. They stop

620
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 3: playing circus music.

621
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 4: So something something, there was a shift there. And also

622
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 4: just like I don't know. My memory of it was like,

623
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 4: you know, I thought Paneraba was like the most sophisticated,

624
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 4: like Raying, and I was just like, I don't know,

625
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 4: especially even like people I would see from high school there,

626
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, these are like the cool, like artsy like.

627
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: Right, because it was like a bakery cafe.

628
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they like sit together in the corner, and

629
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, if only I could be like them.

630
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 3: I bet Panera at some point did have more of

631
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 3: that vibe, and they've just expanded rapidly, right, Yeah, Because

632
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 3: I remember in two thousand and five, my sister and

633
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 3: I came to La under the most insane circumstances to

634
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 3: be in a Weezer music video.

635
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: We had zero money.

636
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 3: I think we spent all of our money to get here,

637
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: and we probably had a total song.

638
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: I mean, it's horrifying. The whole thing is hills.

639
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 3: I have to defend myself. I didn't know what I

640
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 3: was walking into.

641
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: Oh Z, can you speak? Can you see yourself in

642
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: the video? Yes?

643
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 3: Unfortunately I mean, you're going to watch that. Oh my,

644
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 3: I love that song so much.

645
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: It is a horrible piece of music.

646
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 3: So well, I'm definitely gonna be listening to that during

647
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: my time here in La adding it to the soundtrack.

648
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: But we came here with no money and we went

649
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 3: to Panera. I had never been, and it was like

650
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: that during that time of when you're you're like, you've

651
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: go on a trip and everything is incredible. And I

652
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 3: think we probably had a total of twenty six dollars

653
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 3: and we I don't know how we didn't starve that weekend,

654
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 3: but I think we split a brownie to eat it.

655
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 3: But I was like, this is the best brownie I've

656
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: ever eaten, and it was at Panera bread Wow. But

657
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: now we took it after the shoot. This was before

658
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 3: before the shoot, and then we had craft services at

659
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: the shoot. It was at the Playboy Mansion. The whole

660
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: thing was just such a surreal experience. And then I

661
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: don't even know how we got home, I mean, how

662
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: we got back to the hotel or anything, but Panera

663
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 3: is a huge part of that trip for me. Eating

664
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 3: a brownie at Panera, drinking a cactus cooler, and then

665
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 3: having craft services at the playpoint, Wow, did you feel

666
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 3: like you were a good Panera employee?

667
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 4: I feel like in some ways, yeah, okay, I was.

668
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 4: I was following the rules. I worked a lot, honestly,

669
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 4: because like there'd be some schedules were like I don't know,

670
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 4: like I just remember seeing the number of hours per

671
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 4: week at the end of it, right, it's like, this

672
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 4: is how many hours are working, and like there would

673
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 4: be some weeks where I'm working like thirty five hours.

674
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 2: That's a while.

675
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: I'm like a full time student, right, that's a lot.

676
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 3: And I was like, whoa, it's nearly a full time job.

677
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I like, I don't know, I had the

678
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 4: energy and I could just like do it or whatever.

679
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 4: And I also just give you it was my first job,

680
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 4: and I just felt like I was like, oh my gosh,

681
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 4: Like I have my job and I can like I'm

682
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 4: getting get paid, right, four hundred dollars, and I could

683
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 4: do whatever. I can go to the mall, I can

684
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 4: like you know whatever, like get dinner with my friends.

685
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 4: Like I feel like an adult, right, And I was like, so,

686
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 4: I like, I think I'm mostly focused on that. It's

687
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 4: thrilling you get a paid check, and yeah, how much

688
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 4: were you making an hour?

689
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: I think it was like eight.

690
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not exactly how much I was making or something.

691
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 3: And I remember the daytime manager was making a lot

692
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 3: more money than me. I felt like I was getting

693
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 3: ripped off. But then I did not gloriz that. They

694
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 3: they did think I did. That thought you did. But

695
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: so you were a decent employee. Do you stay in

696
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 3: touch with any former employees.

697
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 4: I haven't in a while, but because like that job,

698
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 4: like I really feel like informed, like even like my

699
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 4: sense of humor, because I don't know, like working those

700
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 4: kinds of jobs, like it's not competitive necessarily, right, And

701
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 4: like we were most of us were like teenagers, were

702
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 4: like early twenties, and like we did not care, and

703
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 4: we were just so goofy and playful and like the

704
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 4: inside jokes we'd come up with, like it was crazy.

705
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 4: It just felt so like, Yeah, I don't know, there's

706
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 4: just some some characters there that I feel like totally

707
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 4: have like stayed with me right since then, But I yeah,

708
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 4: like there's these two people who we dm here and there,

709
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 4: Jenny and Melissa. We they're still like best friends. Oh

710
00:34:54,600 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 4: that's great, Yeah, okay, well yeah right, no now they're yeah,

711
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 4: they're doing something completely different. But I hope the stars

712
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 4: the line and we like hang out again because I'm

713
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 4: sure we could just like go three hours of just reminiscing.

714
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: Oh that's like about that of course.

715
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, those like part time jobs are so strange because

716
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 3: you put get put into a group of people that

717
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: you probably never spend.

718
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: Time with otherwise.

719
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 3: Yeah then yeah, you all kind of don't like being there,

720
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 3: but it's fun anyway, right, Yeah, I think bonding Yeah,

721
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 3: that way, it's like no other Like once you actually

722
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 3: start doing career things, there's I don't feel like there's

723
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: any other thing that can compare to that. Right, And

724
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 3: like to be at a job where you just don't

725
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 3: care about the quality of the product, that's such a

726
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 3: great feeling.

727
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

728
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Literally every coffee I ever made was returned to

729
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 3: the counter where they were like this, you didn't do

730
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 3: this correctly, But I shouldn't have been allowed to do

731
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 3: that anyway.

732
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: Uh, do you want to try the cookie? Yeah? I

733
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: think you should try it. Not, at least you want

734
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: to try some cooking here. Okay, everyone grabs they're they're like,

735
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 2: soft is a decent cookie.

736
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 3: It's good, right, it has every right to be a

737
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 3: bad cookie. Yeah, it's really not bad.

738
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: Color looks crazy, but it tastes, tastes good and tastes good.

739
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: The eminems really are like I hope that that's like

740
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 3: a purposeful It looks like they found them in a

741
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 3: closet or something.

742
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're like expired Eminem's or they're a memory of eminem.

743
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 2: They are kind of like a like a seventies memory. Yeah,

744
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: seventies memory.

745
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like a filter over them.

746
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: What was your order at Panera?

747
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 4: I remember the first one I ever had that I

748
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 4: repeated again and again was a bacon turkey Bravo Bravo.

749
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 4: I don't know if they still do it, but it

750
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 4: was like a tomato basil bread thick slice. And then

751
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 4: there was like bacon turkey tomato. I forget what cheese.

752
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 4: I think it was a Gouda cheese or something. This

753
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 4: like Bravo sauce, which was essentially like thousand Island dress,

754
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 4: and then like at us or something, and with a

755
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 4: tomato soup.

756
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: Oh that sounds true, mummy tomato. It was so good.

757
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 2: And I would also get the Italian combo too. What's

758
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: in the Italian combo.

759
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 3: For catcha bread with turkey. I think there's like maybe

760
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: ham ham sure prolonge okay, no or Swiss no prolong

761
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 3: caper and chinik. The first time I never heard that word.

762
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: I still to this day mumbled up because I don't

763
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 3: know that I'm pronouncing it correct. When I have to

764
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 3: order it somewhere, I just kind of yeah, pointing a

765
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 3: Mrginiini to make sure you catch the beginning and the

766
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 3: ending GINII, Oh thank you.

767
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was really really yummy.

768
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was my order, and I don't When I

769
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 4: went yesterday, I just got like the soup in the

770
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 4: mac and cheese, okay, which when I worked there, the

771
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 4: mac and cheese was like new.

772
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 2: Oh that was like brand new. Has it held up? Yeah?

773
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 2: Good for them.

774
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so I've baffled though, because you flew into

775
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 3: lax and then you took an uber specifically to a Panera.

776
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, to specifically get you this. This was so. It

777
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: wasn't for lunch, No, it was for it was incredible. Okay,

778
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: that makes more that I was.

779
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 4: Like, I'm gonna I was like, this will open a door.

780
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 4: I love it to talk about Panera the past. It's

781
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 4: wherever we want to go.

782
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 3: Yes, of course with I could talk about this topic

783
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 3: truly all day. I had so many part time jobs

784
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 3: like this. Yeah, one that was so similar. My very

785
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 3: first job was at Schlatsky's Delhi. Have you ever heard

786
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 3: of this? No, it's like a chain out of Texas,

787
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 3: I think, But is that kind of in the same category,

788
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: except for every sandwich is like on an English muffin

789
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 3: or something very odd? And I worked there for three days,

790
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 3: quit and never got paid. They still only probably sixty

791
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 3: dollars wait a little longer and gee, but it was

792
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 3: like a taste of a first job that was just

793
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 3: so miserable. I was like, I can't do this. I

794
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: think it was in ninth grade, but then I think

795
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 3: my next job was at Gecko's Mexican Grill.

796
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: First day was on nine to eleven. Oh my god.

797
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: So just a lot of.

798
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 3: Things like that, right, But after Panera, did you have

799
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 3: another job like this or was this kind of your

800
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: last chain restaurant job?

801
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: Like I've worked retail too.

802
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 4: Where I've worked retail at Esop okay, which I've realized

803
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 4: on this trip has been like my north star for

804
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 4: cities because I'm like, I went to Chicago, Seattle, Portland.

805
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: Never been to either of those places.

806
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 3: So when I have some time off, I'm like, I

807
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 3: want to walk around, So I google, like, Where's Esop

808
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 3: because I know the area, like other shops or a

809
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 3: little cafe like some cutesy little like suggests a neighborhood. Yeah,

810
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 3: and so I type Esop and then I go to

811
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: so like I go to ESOPs whenever I travel, travel

812
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 3: tip for anyone, and yeah, I just I just checked

813
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 3: that out. I worked there for like two years, like

814
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen or like twenty eighteen.

815
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: Did they give you an employee discount? They did good

816
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 2: discount bad?

817
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 4: It was pretty good actually, And they also gave us

818
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 4: like free like like shrink, which was like if a

819
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 4: customer return even if they like didn't open it, they

820
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 4: just wanted to exchange something.

821
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: It's immediately unsellable. Yeah, we couldn't. We can't sell it.

822
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: We can't resell it.

823
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 4: So we would just collect that and then divide it

824
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 4: amongst our correc at the end of the month.

825
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

826
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 3: So my whole bathroom everything was ESA. Oh and I

827
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 3: had an expensive back full full skincare routine like seven

828
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 3: step routine at that time.

829
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: But you're no longer doing that routine.

830
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 3: No unsustainable, I imagine, Yeah, I wonder if they don't

831
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 3: allow it because they think people like went home and

832
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 3: stuck a syringe into the soap or whatever you filled

833
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 3: it with poison. I'm not yeah that yeah, like if

834
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 3: it's unopened, I don't but that's the only thing I

835
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 3: can imagine. They probably also charge way more than what

836
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 3: it's worth, so it's probably right, like the markup is

837
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 3: probably enormous on soap that they're just like whatever, like right, well,

838
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 3: just I don't think I've ever actually been in any

839
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 3: sub you have. Obviously I have seen and used the product.

840
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 4: I feel like it's like for as a customer, it's

841
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 4: like so nice. How so because like you walk in

842
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 4: and I think, here you can get a little weird,

843
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 4: like depending on the vibe of the person, of course,

844
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 4: but like like I don't know, some people like walk

845
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 4: up to you like Hi, what brings you in today,

846
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 4: and you're just like, I'm just taking a browse.

847
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: Oh are you familiar with with the brand, And you're

848
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: just like yeah, no, whatever.

849
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 4: You can go from there and then, but if you

850
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 4: are looking for like a product, especially skincare, something a

851
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 4: little bit more prescriptive. They can like walk you through

852
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 4: it and they take you to the basin.

853
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: Oh. They have like the hand washing, Yeah, I love

854
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 2: and then they do it. They do it on your hand.

855
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 4: Then you get to like feel it and smell it

856
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 4: and they give you samples. They also have like tea

857
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 4: or like Osha BORI like sometimes I have that and

858
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 4: like the colder weather. It's incredible cool off for warm

859
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 4: your fate, steam it whatever.

860
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I'll go to one today. Yeah. They treat

861
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 2: you so well.

862
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: And when I stopped working there, and then when I

863
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 3: came here to lay for the first time, I was like,

864
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 3: let me pop by the silver like location and I

865
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 3: was like holding my breath, like I'm like, I can't

866
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 3: let them know that I used to work at because

867
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 3: I want to be treated like like a customer. I

868
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 3: would never work here, yeah, because I don't know there's

869
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: something in me that's like nervous that they'll be like,

870
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 3: oh you did you know?

871
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: And that drops like that. Then their tone changes with me.

872
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure there would be right, Yeah, they're like oh yeah,

873
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: so did you feel like you were treated at that point?

874
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 3: It feels like you're like a secret shopper where you're

875
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 3: like doing a quality assurance chip.

876
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 2: Were you treated well on this trip at the Silver?

877
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: Like okay?

878
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 4: The Silver I was okay, But then I I went

879
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 4: there twice. The second time, I bought something for my

880
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 4: friend who I was staying with, and they asked for

881
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 4: your first or last name, you know, for a client

882
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 4: profile they can log your purchases, you know whatever, and

883
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 4: I created a new one with my personal email and

884
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 4: so I gave them that. But then the guy found

885
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 4: my like other account and was just like, oh, you

886
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 4: used to work here, and then I was like my

887
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 4: face just like dropped and I was like, yeah, yeah.

888
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: Like forever ago. I'm a different person here.

889
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

890
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

891
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 4: He's like, oh cool, like where and I'm like New

892
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 4: York and I was just completely like, I was like,

893
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 4: I want to die.

894
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: I want to die.

895
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 3: I want to die.

896
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 2: I want to die. I want to die. He's like,

897
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: do you want samples?

898
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: Load?

899
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 3: Like sure, Oh that's good, because that interact could go

900
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 3: either way where they're like, oh you fraud or they're like,

901
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 3: oh you're part.

902
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: Of the family, right, you know what this is? Yeah,

903
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:07,479
Speaker 2: Well I'm glad that works.

904
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 4: I just I just feel embarrassed because definitely before we

905
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 4: got to check out.

906
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, this is so lovely, completely exposed.

907
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you saw that, Like I was caught.

908
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 4: It's so embarrassing.

909
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: Oh wow, oh it smells good.

910
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: I think I would have tried to keep up the

911
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: line like someone's using my name, yeah, like one if

912
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 3: your employees us.

913
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no, wow, Well I have to try that.

914
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: I should go.

915
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 3: We were talking about Keels on a recent episode The

916
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: Keels Experience and been in their store. I haven't, Actually,

917
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 3: I wonder if it's a similar thing. Yeah, me too,

918
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 3: I'm sure. I just like to go in and get

919
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 3: I like to use a free standing sink. I think

920
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 3: that's what's really important to me. Yeah, to go into

921
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 3: a retail store and just see a sink free of

922
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 3: a bathroom and washway.

923
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: I mean it's a novelty.

924
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is lovely, just like pop in. I just

925
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 4: gotta watch. And I remember some people would do that,

926
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 4: like in the summer, if you leave the door open,

927
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,959
Speaker 4: customer would come in and be like can.

928
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 2: I just wash my hands? Really? Yeah?

929
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 4: Like yeah, of course, And I'm like that's fabulous.

930
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: That's not a bad idea.

931
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: Every retail store should just have a sink to kind

932
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 3: of pop in and wash your hands. Yeah, especially in

933
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 3: New York when it's almost like bathrooms are inaccessible.

934
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, much harder to get too. Oh. And then

935
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: then other job.

936
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 3: That I worked at too was Everlane Ever Like, well,

937
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 3: you've really worked at nice retails, like retail stores that

938
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: are you know. What's so funny is like Panera Bread

939
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 3: was like at that time, newer, and it had this

940
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 3: like appeal of like I don't know, like it almost

941
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 3: was like reminds me a little bit of Aesop. It

942
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 3: had this like word of mouth sort of like it's

943
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 3: buzzy buzzy yees because.

944
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 4: Like yeah, and I remember them saying like we would

945
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 4: never advertise, like you wouldn't see us on like a

946
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 4: billboard or a magazine or TV like.

947
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: The way they turned.

948
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 4: Yeah they yeah, And I remember Esop like, and I

949
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 4: think may probably stay true to this. But their strategy

950
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 4: is also kind of that like word of mouth, Like

951
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 4: they provide their hand wash in like you know, intentionally,

952
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 4: like in different like restaurants or establishments or whatever that

953
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 4: from there, like people will be like, oh, this is

954
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 4: so nice and the bottles really cute, and then they

955
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 4: like get led to a store right and they're like, oh, yeah,

956
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 4: I saw your hand wash at this restaurant and whatever.

957
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 4: You take it from there. But yeah, I feel like both,

958
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 4: I don't know, there's like that kind of theme or

959
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 4: that kind of ethos. Yeah that I guess I just

960
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 4: kind of strive yeah, yeah.

961
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: And what was ever what was I've never been.

962
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 4: In an f neither Everlane. I don't know if Everlaine's

963
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 4: necessarily trying to do the same thing.

964
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: I don't know.

965
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 4: But their thing is like radical transparency or something yeah

966
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 4: like that, so they're like, oh, like we'll let you know.

967
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 4: Like I think on their website you can see how

968
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 4: much like the process of how the products are made

969
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 4: to like how much they cost to what you're getting

970
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 4: charged interesting or something, so you know, like why it's

971
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 4: expensive yeah, or like that you are getting a good

972
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 4: deal and that like this isn't like exploitative or like

973
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 4: labor or anything like Like I can't even picture what

974
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 4: an Everlain piece of clothing looks like.

975
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: I have a sweater on. Oh, it's very nice. So

976
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: it's just kind of casual.

977
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 3: What staple pieces right right, Like you want you know,

978
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 3: go to Jenes go to like buying up suirt jacket, you.

979
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 2: Can go there.

980
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 3: Did you work on commission? No, thank god, that would

981
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 3: stress me out. Yeah, that I've never experienced. I don't

982
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 3: think I could do it ever worked. Yeah, I worked

983
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 3: at the Apple store. Oh really, no commission there, no commission. Yeah,

984
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 3: that was a fine job that Actually I didn't mind

985
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 3: that job at all. But the weird thing was it

986
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: was the first Apple store in Salt Lake City, and

987
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 3: so it was like obviously packed all the time. And

988
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 3: it was during a period when Apple was like really

989
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 3: focused on how their stores looked, even more so than

990
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 3: they are now, and so they wouldn't have security devices

991
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 3: on anything. And this was like iPods were very popular

992
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 3: at the time, and like teens would come in and

993
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 3: just knock like multiple iPods into a bag and walk

994
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 3: out of the store, and we couldn't do anything about it.

995
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 3: People were just stealing NonStop.

996
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 2: Holy shit. It was a but I feel like that's.

997
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,959
Speaker 3: Kind of like a mall thing, where like you can't

998
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 3: really confront a shoplifter. Yeah, so people just come in

999
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 3: and take whatever they want. It's so bold, which is

1000
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 3: good for them. Yeah, I was so scared.

1001
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: I would be terrified. Yeah, have you ever shoplifted. Yeah

1002
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 2: from where ma see's what did you steal? I stole?

1003
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 4: This is like in my show, which is so funny,

1004
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 4: but I'm like, I stole a T shirt and jeans,

1005
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 4: skinny jeans. I think it was like Levi's and like

1006
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 4: Calvin Client, like a Calvin Klein T shirt that said

1007
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 4: Calvin Clin on it and these skinny jeans. And I

1008
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 4: was making a return to Lord and Taylor a cardigan,

1009
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 4: shopping a cardigan. Something's ever changed, and like I was,

1010
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 4: I was like exchanging size or something. And then I

1011
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 4: walked through Macy's and I got caught stealing. I don't

1012
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 4: know what came over me, but I like decided to steal.

1013
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 4: And and I was sixteen, and I feel like that year,

1014
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 4: I was like I'm gonna st it. Yeah, I want

1015
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 4: to go for it, like I like stole from like

1016
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 4: a thrift store, Like I stole a full ass jacket

1017
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 4: from the thrift store. So I was like, I was

1018
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 4: like I can I can do anything. I felt like invincible,

1019
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 4: and so then I was like, I can steal from Macy's.

1020
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: Like people always steal from Macy's.

1021
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,919
Speaker 4: So then I tried and then I was caught instantly

1022
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 4: how they were like watching me. I guess I was

1023
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 4: probably being so sus I was probably just.

1024
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 2: Like really like like I starting, yeah, like.

1025
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 3: Just looking everywhere, like contemplating, pacing back and forward, like

1026
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 3: should I do it?

1027
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 2: When I? Should I do it? Should I?

1028
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 3: And then finally running to the dressing room. Running out,

1029
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 3: I took two steps out of Macy's. Then this like

1030
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 3: huge security guard, the deepest voice was like, excuse me,

1031
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 3: where do you think you're going with those jeans? And

1032
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 3: I was like I'm I. He's like, yeah, those jeans.

1033
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: He like pointed at my shopping bag and then he's

1034
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 3: like come with me, and I was like I can

1035
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 3: pay for it, like I have money, like how you know,

1036
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 3: like I had like eighty dollars or something. I'm like,

1037
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: I'll pay for the jeans like that. He's like you

1038
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 3: should have thought about that before he stole.

1039
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 2: So what happened? Did they take you into a back room? Yes,

1040
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: they took me. Did they threaten like calling the police?

1041
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,439
Speaker 2: They took me to the back room. Yeah. The guy

1042
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 2: like there was this guy I just remember.

1043
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 4: He was kind of like, so we've been watching you

1044
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 4: and I'm like oh, and there's like little screens. Yeah,

1045
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 4: and I was like ah, and he like interrogated me,

1046
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 4: was asking me all these questions, and I was like

1047
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 4: so terrified. I feel like I was just like telling

1048
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 4: him anything and I was just like I don't know.

1049
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: I just I was gonna go to New York. And

1050
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 2: he's like, what are you doing in New York? And

1051
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: I'm like I was just gonna go there with my friends.

1052
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1053
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 3: I just like I'm taking pictures. Like He's like, what

1054
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 3: do you take pictures of? And I'm like i don't know,

1055
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 3: just like anything. I want to go to art school

1056
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 3: and like he was just like art school, what are

1057
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 3: you gonna do there?

1058
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I really don't know. You're on a date.

1059
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I went on a speed date with him and

1060
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 4: he I just remember he was just like usually we

1061
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 4: have to call the police.

1062
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that.

1063
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 4: He's like, you seem I remember, he was like you

1064
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 4: seem like a good kid who fucked up, and he's

1065
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 4: like you know, but before he said that, he was

1066
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 4: just like like, you know, you can get in big

1067
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 4: trouble doing stuff like this, Like you know, we can

1068
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 4: call the police and this will be on your record.

1069
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 2: And you know that dream.

1070
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 4: You have about going to art school and you can

1071
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 4: kiss that goodbye. I was like, pit, my stomach's like turning,

1072
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 4: and I'm just like, what's gonna happen to me? What

1073
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 4: did I just do? I like just ruined my life?

1074
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh my god. And then yeah,

1075
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 4: he had to He called my mom and that was

1076
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 4: like I can hear her voice, like I'll never forget,

1077
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 4: like him calling her and he's like, hello, we have

1078
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 4: your son, Richard Perez here at Macy's security department.

1079
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 2: He was caught stealing we blah blah blah.

1080
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 4: And then he backs his head away from the phone

1081
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 4: because she's screaming.

1082
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 2: I just hear her.

1083
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 4: Like like, and I was like, I'm fucked. So she

1084
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 4: had to pay, like should pay a fine to get

1085
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 4: me out?

1086
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: Well, what the Macy's fine? What does that mean? Yeah,

1087
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 2: Macy's law.

1088
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 4: I think it was like that had like my mom

1089
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 4: had to pay the amount of what those things were.

1090
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 2: Oh okay, that feels illegal to or something. Yeah. Part

1091
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 2: of me was like maybe it wasn't really just taking

1092
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,959
Speaker 2: our money or something right, And he was like, yeah,

1093
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 2: we won't call the cops. We only take cash. Yeah,

1094
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 2: it was weird.

1095
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,919
Speaker 4: But then he was like, you are banned from ever

1096
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 4: entering a Macy's for I think he said ten years.

1097
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 2: That's not enforceable.

1098
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 4: And he was like, you know, are we gonna know

1099
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 4: where you like you're in a Macy's. No, but he's like,

1100
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 4: but if you get caught stealing again into Macy's, it

1101
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 4: will show up and then we'll press charges.

1102
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 3: So you're been from stealing from Macy's ever. But I

1103
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,240
Speaker 3: was terrified of Macy's for ten years.

1104
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 2: Have you been in yes? I think literally for the

1105
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 2: first time, like two years ago. How did that feel?

1106
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 4: I could just like laugh about it. I was like,

1107
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 4: why was I so scared? It wasn't so bad.

1108
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 3: That is incredible.

1109
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just, yeah, it is grind.

1110
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 3: I mean that's traumatic. Though my brother, my mom had

1111
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 3: taken me and my siblings to this. It was kind

1112
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 3: of like Kmart was called shop Coo to just like

1113
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 3: buy stuff, and my brother switched the price tag on

1114
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 3: like a model plane, and she, my mom bought it

1115
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 3: not knowing this, and then we were caught and then

1116
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 3: it was just literally the whole family crying. They're like

1117
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 3: back in the security room, just harassing my mom. It

1118
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 3: was a wild experience, especially over something like a nine

1119
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 3: year old did. Is an interesting thing to a hard

1120
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 3: stance on that. But I guess maybe they thought my

1121
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 3: mom was the leader of a crime ring.

1122
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. And they were like, we're going to

1123
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 2: get our son to.

1124
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's using children to steal to get discounts on

1125
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 3: toy planes.

1126
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1127
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like that must be behind us that

1128
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 3: left that time of security. Yeah, although I don't know,

1129
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 3: I'm still a tempted to shoplift, Like I could take this,

1130
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 3: have you not? As an adult, I've stolen so much.

1131
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 3: There's like a thrift store chain in Utah that I

1132
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 3: would steal from as a teenager all the time. I

1133
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 3: probably stole. I definitely have stolen there as an adult. Yeah,

1134
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 3: because I'm like, I don't want to pay for this,

1135
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 3: right and who cares?

1136
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 2: Right? Literally, who cares?

1137
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 3: But there's a thrilled to shoplifting there. I encourage anyone

1138
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 3: to do it. Yeah, I think people should go for it.

1139
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 2: It's free.

1140
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna endorse that too. It's an adread rush,

1141
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 4: you know those big companies, right, of course, see what happened. Yeah,

1142
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 4: I feel like my sister has unintentionally shoplifted because she

1143
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 4: has kids and they like put things into.

1144
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 2: Her shopping card. That kind of thing. Now, so I say,

1145
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 2: go for it.

1146
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 4: I remember one time I was really little, like Pokemon.

1147
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 4: I was like obsessed with Pokemon and I was like

1148
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 4: collecting cards and I stole a pack of cards like

1149
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 4: from like a Canian store or whatever, and my dad like,

1150
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 4: I slid them into my jacket sleeves or whatever.

1151
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 2: It's very magician.

1152
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then when we stepped out, they fell out

1153
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 4: of my pocket.

1154
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 2: And I was kind of like, wait, what is that?

1155
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, this is from like earlier,

1156
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 4: and he's like, oh okay, he like didn't really question it,

1157
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 4: which I was like truly touched by an angel, because

1158
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 4: of course I don't even know what happened.

1159
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 3: Well, even as an adult, like the parent in that situation,

1160
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to be like, now I have to

1161
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 3: take you back into Yeah, mom, I have to learn

1162
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 3: a lesson, right. I don't have the time or the

1163
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 3: energy for this kind of thing. Yeah, did you get

1164
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 3: any good cards in the Pokemon pack?

1165
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 4: I don't remember that pack, but I mean I did

1166
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 4: have all one hundred and fifty.

1167
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: Wow. That's a fresh generation. Wow.

1168
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 4: And I I think it's at my dad's place, Like

1169
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 4: there's a binder that has like me and my brother

1170
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 4: collected Pokemon cards and we still have the one hundred

1171
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 4: and fifty.

1172
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 2: I feel like that must be worth something at this point.

1173
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,919
Speaker 4: If anyone is interested in buying our cards, please reach

1174
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 4: out so down to sell them.

1175
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 2: Was it hard getting to one hundred and fifty? Yeah?

1176
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: I think probably to buy trade them too, that's right.

1177
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 4: At school, it's like, oh, I have two of these

1178
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 4: holographic one like or whatever.

1179
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 3: You know, I'll trade you one of them for that

1180
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 3: other one. Right, So there was that kind of thing.

1181
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 4: I think eventually my brother and I were both like

1182
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 4: full time trying to.

1183
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 3: Kind of became a career. Yeah, did you have a

1184
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 3: favorite Pokemon?

1185
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 4: I mean I think classic, like Jigglypuff is someone that I

1186
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 4: think has made me who I am today and made

1187
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 4: me want to be.

1188
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 3: A Performerglypuff is a performer, yeah, first and foremost singer.

1189
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's all jigglypuffed up.

1190
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 4: The tragedies that like everyone sleeps and like Jigglypuff doesn't

1191
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 4: feel horrible yeah, and.

1192
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 2: Kind of does their own thing. Yeah. Well that's a

1193
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: good choice though, that makes perfect sense. Were you into

1194
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 2: Jigglypuff I Pokemon? Yeah, I like Jigglypuff.

1195
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 3: I liked the middle of the chars chars Ard, what's Charmander?

1196
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 3: Charmander like Charmander's the first Yes, and I liked There

1197
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 3: were various forms of Pikachu, but I wasn't Pikachu's fine. Yeah,

1198
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 3: they're like smaller versions Piachu. Piachu I loved, which was

1199
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 3: somehow even cuter than Pikacha. Yes, a really adorable little creature. Yeah,

1200
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 3: I love Piachu. Right, cho Wright's kind of like a

1201
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 3: more mature, cooler Pikachu.

1202
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1203
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 3: Well, I think we should play a game. Okay, we've

1204
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 3: got to play Gift to a Curse. I needed a

1205
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 3: number between one and ten from you.

1206
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 2: Seven.

1207
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 3: Okay, I have to do some light calculating right now

1208
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 3: to get our game pieces. You have the microphone, you

1209
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 3: can recommend, promote, do whatever you want.

1210
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 2: Hi everyone, my name is Richard. If you.

1211
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 4: Didn't catch that from the title of this episode. I

1212
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 4: am on tour right now doing my show. It's called

1213
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 4: I have to do this, and by the time this

1214
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 4: comes out, I would have been done with it, but

1215
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 4: I will be continuing to do the show again in

1216
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 4: New York, LA, and there's talks of in the near

1217
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 4: future going to San Francisco. I got a DM from

1218
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 4: a venue in Massachusetts near Boston that reached out. It

1219
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 4: looked really cute, like a cute little black box theater,

1220
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 4: and I'm like, that's literally where I want to do

1221
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 4: the show. So I'm going to talk to them and

1222
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 4: potentially maybe I'll be doing it there.

1223
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, think about that beautiful. I hope this is

1224
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 2: how the venue finds out. Yeah, they're like, oh, so

1225
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 2: he wants to do it. He refuses to answer our emails. Yeah,

1226
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 2: he hasn't answered.

1227
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 3: But everyone goes see Richard, follow Richard on whatever social

1228
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 3: media to do whatever you want. This is how we

1229
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 3: play Gift to a Curse and the name three things.

1230
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 3: You'll tell me if there are a gift or a curse,

1231
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 3: and and then I'll tell you if you're right or wrong. Okay,

1232
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 3: because there are correct answers. This first is a suggestion

1233
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 3: from a listener named Ayana ai y a n a

1234
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 3: that feels right, Ayanna, Gift to a Curse. People who

1235
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 3: get a lot of likes on comments and then edit

1236
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 3: the comment to thank the people for liking it.

1237
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 2: Curse why.

1238
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 4: I think you don't need to do that. I think

1239
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 4: just own it. You did it, amazing that you're having

1240
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 4: a moment and that it shined. And just trust that

1241
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 4: whoever really received it received it, and whoever wants to

1242
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 4: then go on the journey with you, they'll go on

1243
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 4: the journey with you.

1244
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 2: Wrong. Wrong, Okay, I think that's it. I mean, I

1245
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 2: think that's it. I've never seen this.

1246
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I love this idea of kind of monitoring

1247
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 3: how many likes your comment is getting and then returning later.

1248
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 3: The idea of editing and saying, hi, everyone, thank you

1249
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 3: liking my comment is an incredible idea to me.

1250
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll do it. I think we should all start

1251
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 2: doing that. You've never done it. I've never done it,

1252
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 2: but I'm willing to try. Okay, maybe I'll try. How

1253
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 2: many likes does your comment need to get for you

1254
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 2: to return to think? True?

1255
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 4: Because I'm like, I also don't comment that much. I

1256
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 4: realized I don't know if I do. It's like I'm

1257
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 4: an emoji, right, I never like? Aha, and like, that's it.

1258
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 2: Leaving an essay for people to enjoy.

1259
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't have like quippy like one line like

1260
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 4: more like blah blah blah blah.

1261
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 2: And then you know a lot of people like it.

1262
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 2: But you could return to thank people for liking the emoji.

1263
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 2: You know what I think it's worth.

1264
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 3: I've never have you seen this on a lease. This

1265
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 3: behavior is interesting to me. I mean it makes perfect when.

1266
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 4: You post this, I'm just gonna comment and be like,

1267
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 4: thank you for liking my comment.

1268
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,919
Speaker 3: You're now committed comment on that, then return to edit that.

1269
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,439
Speaker 3: This is it's gonna like shut down the servers. Yeah,

1270
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 3: I won't be able to handle how much editing is happening.

1271
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 3: I didn't know you could even edit a comment. Yeah

1272
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 3: I didn't really either, just like it was kind of

1273
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 3: set in stone. Yeah, but I guess that's the thing

1274
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 3: you got it wrong.

1275
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 2: Okay. Number two This is from a listener named Matt Gifter.

1276
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 2: A curse cookie spread cook nice spread.

1277
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 3: I assume that's like, you know, like a Trader Joe

1278
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 3: is I have, like it's like peanut butter, but it's

1279
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 3: made from cookies.

1280
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 2: Oh, a curse? Why?

1281
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 4: Because I think it's also you know, just trust yourself,

1282
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 4: you know, like it's you don't have to.

1283
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 2: If you want cookies and.

1284
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 4: Peanut butter together, literally just get a cookie and put

1285
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 4: peanut butter on it. It almost reminds me of like

1286
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 4: blueberry lemon saltzer. What like, what is cookie like spread?

1287
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: You know?

1288
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 2: What is it? Cookie and oil just crushed together.

1289
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, do you make cookie oil like out

1290
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 3: of like a cookie?

1291
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 2: And then you ask me, I've never even considered this.

1292
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 2: How would do they get? A liquid? Cookie? Is such

1293
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 2: a dry thing? Yeah? On at least you have any

1294
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 2: idea what the ingredients are in this.

1295
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just just so it's you have to

1296
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 3: take bisk Off cookies or Speculus cookies and then you

1297
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 3: boil them.

1298
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 2: You need coconut oil, honey, ground cinnamon. I mean, I

1299
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 2: don't know everything in there sounds really good to me.

1300
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 2: I'm not seeing it. At least don't get in on this.

1301
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 2: It's a curse. It's a bad idea for product.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's just like, I mean, it's just essentially frosting,

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01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 3: isn't that what we're talking about? So just and I

1304
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 3: don't know where you even put that? Where do you

1305
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 3: put the cookies spread? You're not making a sandwich out

1306
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Speaker 3: of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't get that.

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01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 3: I think it's a bad idea for product. Yeah, and

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01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 3: I love peanut butter. Yeah, helicopter is roaring through the backyard,

1310
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 3: absolutely crashing through the.

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Speaker 2: Backyard because you're wrong.

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01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 3: It's straighter shokes. No, it's on a leash. You've been unfortunately.

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Speaker 2: Let go.

1314
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 3: The rest of I'll produce the rest of the podcast.

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01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 3: No curse, job on that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Number three. This is from a listener named Calli Gifter.

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Speaker 3: A curse marrying the Homecoming King.

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01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 4: Oh shit, homecoming King, as in a like like I'm

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Speaker 4: like thirty three, like marrying him.

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01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 2: Damn. I think I'm so sorry. I think it's a curse.

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01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think some things are just I mean, I don't know,

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Speaker 4: I just it's I mean, this is so like boring.

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01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 4: But like you know the classic like you know, you

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01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 4: peak in high school blah blah blah or whatever, like

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Speaker 4: if that's kind of the vibe, like I think the

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Speaker 4: Homecoming King. Maybe I'm just thinking of a specific kind

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01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 4: of person that like flops after that moment, right, and

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01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 4: then to like marry a flop and if they and

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01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 4: then also if this Homecoming King is being so like,

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01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 4: but I was the homecoming King. It's like, come on,

1333
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 4: you gotta let it go. You gotta let it go.

1334
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 4: Then that's a curse. But if he's like so chill,

1335
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 4: he's just like, yeah, it's homecoming King. It was so dumb.

1336
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 4: I was homecoming King, and he just like is still

1337
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 4: fine as hell and sweet doing it.

1338
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 2: Popular And that's a little blessing.

1339
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna just I'm gonna envision that this is

1340
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 4: like someone that's like high school was my glory days.

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01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 2: Right, that's a curse.

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01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 3: I mean, I'd love to try to find a way

1343
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 3: to say you're wrong here, but I think, I mean,

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01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 3: you've made a very I mean, every one of your

1345
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 3: points is exactly on think you. I mean the idea

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01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 3: of like anyone after age, when do you become the

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01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 3: homecoming king.

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01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 2: Like seventeen seventeen or seventeen yeah.

1349
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 3: Ten minutes after that, you shouldn't be talking about it. Yeah,

1350
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 3: imagine being in an adult relationship with someone who I

1351
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 3: don't don't feel like it's the right thing to do. Yeah,

1352
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 3: although you know, go for it, right, That's actually it's

1353
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 3: a gift.

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01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 2: It's an absolute gift. This person's accomplished something.

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01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 3: They really they've got something in their past that they

1356
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 3: can bling to.

1357
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 4: Like success is like so young and also to lose

1358
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 4: it and then maybe get it back.

1359
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, they really have kind of experienced the entire rate

1360
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 3: of life so early and can build from there.

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01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 3: So you've really married kind of a jam and you

1363
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 3: found the best person in high school and he's nothing

1364
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 3: but gold from there. I mean, we all know that

1365
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 3: the Homecoming King is.

1366
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 2: As good as it gets. Yeah, so it's a gift.

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Speaker 3: I think we're the three of us sitting here or

1368
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:46,919
Speaker 3: not married to the Homecoming King, and that probably played

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01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 3: into our answers, our initial answers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sorry to anyone who's a homecoming king. I'm

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01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 4: really sorry, and I'm sure you're wonderful.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, I feel like you kind of got I

1373
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 3: don't even know how to calculate what you've got for

1374
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 3: a score this time, because the last answer we kind

1375
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 3: of circled back on. But you did a decent job. Okay,

1376
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 3: good job, Thank you. This is the final segment of

1377
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 3: the podcast. It's called I Said No Emails. People write

1378
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 3: into I Said No Gifts at gmail dot com just

1379
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 3: in need of answers. Advice guidance. Will you hope me

1380
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 3: answer a question? Okay, yeah, Okay. This is highbridger, so

1381
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 3: they didn't even mention you, which is fine.

1382
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 2: Okay, says I.

1383
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 3: Have a non gift related question. You said, the emails

1384
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 3: can be about anything, okay, pointing fingers. I have been

1385
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 3: seeing my current therapist for about six months. She has

1386
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 3: been pretty helpful, and while she never takes notes, she

1387
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 3: seems to recall every detail I've spoken about week after

1388
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 3: a week. I am an artist and talk a lot

1389
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 3: about how my work relates to my lived experience in

1390
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 3: what I believe was an attempt to relate to me.

1391
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 3: This therapist has recently revealed that she is a screenwriter.

1392
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 3: Let me say we do not live in hot Hollywood.

1393
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 3: We are in a small city on the East Coast.

1394
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 3: I wonder where this could possibly be, but she's made

1395
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 3: it clear in the latest sessions that she is passionate

1396
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 3: about her scripts and getting them made into films. This

1397
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 3: therapist is talking a lot.

1398
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,759
Speaker 3: In one of our reservices, in one of our recent meetings,

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01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 3: she said, talking to you is like walking through an

1401
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 3: old library filled with stories I want to read. First,

1402
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 3: I was flattered thinking that she finds me terribly interesting.

1403
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 3: She later admitted that after a career changed from architect

1404
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 3: to licensed therapists. While this person is the career changes

1405
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:37,759
Speaker 3: are big swings. She changed from architect to licensed therapists,

1406
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 3: she just wanted a job where she could listen to

1407
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 3: people's stories all day. Now, I'm concerned that this major

1408
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 3: career move was made purely to gain fodder for her

1409
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 3: own written stories. I'm bringing this quandary to you being

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01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 3: that you yourself are a screenwriter and have often Hollywood types.

1411
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,600
Speaker 3: I'm looking at Richard right now on your podcast. What

1412
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 3: do you say it might be fun to see my

1413
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 3: trauma played out on the big screen one? Or am

1414
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 3: I wasting my time and this woman isn't capable of

1415
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 3: truly helping me while she's preoccupied with memorizing the most

1416
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 3: compelling aspects of my tales? What do you guys think,

1417
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 3: Molly whoa this therapist started as an architect, became a

1418
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:19,560
Speaker 3: therapist and is clearly making another pivot to film to film.

1419
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 3: And this person is wondering should she just play into

1420
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 3: this game right? Or I guess not playing this game?

1421
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 3: I think those are the two options. Or I guess

1422
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 3: you could confront the therapists and say I need you

1423
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 3: to stop thinking trying to turn my life into a movie.

1424
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,799
Speaker 2: First of all, therapy is expensive. Therapy is very expensive.

1425
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 4: It's expensive, hard to find, hard to find, and especially

1426
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 4: like yeah, like clicking with someone that you want to

1427
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 4: keep going back to and being like, here's what's going on,

1428
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 4: here's my you know, here's my stuff, here's my story,

1429
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,560
Speaker 4: here's da da da that. Like if you're if you

1430
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 4: feel like you're getting something out of it, like really

1431
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 4: getting some thing out of it, then like maybe try

1432
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 4: to see it through.

1433
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 2: I guess like that's fine. Maybe I don't know.

1434
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 4: I think it's weird to like bring in your outside

1435
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,640
Speaker 4: interests as a therapist into your like sessions.

1436
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never known about a therapist's anything.

1437
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like maybe the most is that like they have

1438
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 4: kids or something like right or right they used to

1439
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 4: live in this other city, right, you know, Like I

1440
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 4: totally get if like a therapist is like here's a story,

1441
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 4: an anecdote or something to relate to what you're talking

1442
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 4: about or your situation, like briefly like here's this blah

1443
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 4: blah blah. The lesson is this, and I'm like Okay, like,

1444
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 4: you know totally, but yeah, I really don't like that

1445
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 4: vibe of like you've got such interesting stories. So tell

1446
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 4: me more. What else happened when you were when you

1447
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 4: were in art school?

1448
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 2: Wait? Can you tell me again?

1449
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 4: So what happened in art school when you you were

1450
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 4: going through that breakup and that you moved to that

1451
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 4: new city and you and your mom did what like

1452
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 4: what happened was I'm just kind of like, I don't

1453
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 4: know that that.

1454
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:11,959
Speaker 2: I don't think will I don't know, maybe maybe.

1455
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 3: Confront confront Have you ever confronted a therapist?

1456
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 4: Actually, the last therapist I saw, I remember one time

1457
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 4: I told him that I was just in a stream

1458
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 4: of consciousness just like talking, and I was like, I'm

1459
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 4: trying to impress you, right or whatever, because it's more

1460
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:34,759
Speaker 4: of like in my mind, you're like some authority figure

1461
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 4: or something even like in a sexual.

1462
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 2: Sense, right, right.

1463
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 4: And I like remember like saying that to him, and

1464
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 4: he was kind of like, Okay, then continue and then yeah,

1465
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 4: and I just like kept going and he was really

1466
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 4: chill about it. I don't I know, it kind of

1467
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 4: blocked out like what his response was, but he had

1468
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 4: a little more understanding of like.

1469
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,600
Speaker 2: My vibe at that time, But that was probably like

1470
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 2: a break through.

1471
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 3: Maybe you're like, now I've been so honest that, like, yeah,

1472
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 3: that I'm like, I can, I can, Like I might

1473
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,680
Speaker 3: still be trying to impress, but at least there's some transparency,

1474
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 3: kind of an ever lain level of transparency. Yeah. I

1475
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 3: think that's probably natural for a lot of therapy, right,

1476
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 3: where like, yeah, for the first while, you're like, well,

1477
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell them.

1478
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 2: Four percent of what's real.

1479
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then so you're just paying someone money to

1480
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 3: impress them.

1481
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 2: Right.

1482
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:28,719
Speaker 3: I feel like it's been a lot of my therapy

1483
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 3: actually just never really breaking down and actually revealing. But

1484
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 3: this person has revealed so much, so much that their

1485
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 3: therapist has revealed so much. We know about the therapist's.

1486
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 2: Sole job job. We shouldn't be doing. We shouldn't be

1487
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 2: knowing that.

1488
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 3: No, and this is a huge mistake on the therapist's part,

1489
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 3: to be honest. If they want to do write this

1490
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 3: to steal this person's stories, they should have just shut up. Yeah,

1491
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 3: don't tell Molly, don't take the notes, write the movie right,

1492
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 3: and then once it's on the big screen, deal with

1493
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 3: the court battle or whatever. But by then you'll have

1494
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 3: made enough money to sue Molly into the ground, kind

1495
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 3: of gaslight Molly into thinking, this isn't.

1496
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:10,879
Speaker 2: Your story, isn't your story, it's.

1497
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:14,799
Speaker 3: These are things I told you and our therapy sessions.

1498
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,599
Speaker 3: So what I'm we're actually reaching out to the therapist at

1499
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 3: this point. And I think it's really a matter of

1500
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 3: telling Molly that you can't see her anymore, destroy the records,

1501
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 3: and then write the movie and Mollie, I don't know,

1502
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 3: do whatever you want.

1503
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 2: I don't care.

1504
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:38,719
Speaker 3: It's not my problem. We answered the question perfectly, Richard.

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01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,640
Speaker 3: I've had such a nice time, fabulous. I love to

1506
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 3: talk about bakery cafes. I could talk about them for weeks.

1507
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 3: Thank you for being here. Thank you so much for

1508
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 3: having me listener. The podcast is just over it. I mean,

1509
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 3: it's there's nothing left to say. I love you, goodbye,

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01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 3: I said. No Gifts is an exactly right production. It's

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01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 3: produced by our dear friend Annalise Nelson, and it's beautifully

1512
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 3: mixed by Ben Holliday. And we couldn't do it without

1513
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 3: our guest booker, Patrick Coottner. The theme song, of course,

1514
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 3: could only come from miracle worker Amy Mann. You must

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01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 3: follow the show on Instagram at I said, no gifts.

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01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 3: I don't want to hear any excuses. That's where you

1517
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 3: get to see pictures of all these gorgeous gifts I'm getting.

1518
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 3: And don't you want to see pictures of the gifts?

1519
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 2: THEO invit? Did you hear?

1520
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:39,600
Speaker 1: Funa man myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest to me,

1521
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 1: you gotta come to me empty. And I said, no guests,

1522
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: your presences presents enough. I'm already too much stuff.

1523
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 2: So how do you dare to survey me?

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01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:04,759
Speaker 1: The game bet