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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema.

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Speaker 3: This is Rob and I'm Joe, and today we are

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Speaker 3: going to unscramble the cable signal and tune into some

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Speaker 3: Tales from the Crypt.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, we have another slice of nineties genre

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Speaker 2: cinema for you this week. Except this one's far cheaper

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Speaker 2: than Free Jack. I think, ultimately a more enjoyable film,

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Speaker 2: but it is, of course the initial cinematic spinoff of

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Speaker 2: HBO's Tales from the Crypt. It is Taiales from the Crypt,

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Speaker 2: Demon Knight from what nineteen ninety five?

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Speaker 3: That sounds right, Yeah, it looks very mid nineties. So

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Speaker 3: I guess this one and last week's are a little

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Speaker 3: bit more mainstream than we usually go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're more mainstream. But Demon Night is also one.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Freejack is definitely a film that it did

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Speaker 2: not perform to expectation and was kind of just thrown

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Speaker 2: out there and died and was forgotten by many. Demon

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Speaker 2: Night is a film that I think also is you know,

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Speaker 2: we're talking about this before we started recording, you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe a little underappreciated, though it certainly has its following

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Speaker 2: and oh yeah, and you know, continues to be popular

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Speaker 2: to this day. But you don't hear it championed that

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Speaker 2: often as being like a great piece of horror horror

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Speaker 2: comedy from the nineties.

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Speaker 3: I guess it's hard to argue that it's great, but

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Speaker 3: it is really fun. This is a really fun, r rated,

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Speaker 3: frisky piece of horror comedy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's It's essentially a siege movie. So the basic

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Speaker 2: structure is pretty pretty nailed down, you know, like you're

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Speaker 2: and then things are gonna try and get in and

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Speaker 2: get them. It's the basic Night of the Living Dead scenario.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Night of the Living Dead, evil Dead assault

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Speaker 3: on Precinct thirteen, that kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so well, let's just jump right into the elevator

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Speaker 2: pitch on this one just now. This is the elevator

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Speaker 2: pitch for the basic movie itself. The Unholy Demon Lords

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Speaker 2: have six of the seven keys they need to drag

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Speaker 2: the universe back into darkness, and the only thing standing

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Speaker 2: in their way on Planet Earth for that last key

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Speaker 2: is one immortal drifter and a ragtag bunch of losers.

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Speaker 2: In a rundown hotel in the middle of the desert.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh, in a place called Wormwood, New Mexico. I

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Speaker 3: looked it up. Not a real place.

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Speaker 2: It sounds nice and biblical, though, which is good because

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of biblical nonsense going on in this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this movie is just jammed with drifters.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's all it's basically all drifters. I mean,

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Speaker 2: and I've actually seen it discussed in the sense that

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Speaker 2: it's like the meek shall inherit the earth, and this

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Speaker 2: is the meek. These are all the sorts of losers

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Speaker 2: that Jesus Christ himself would have hung out with in life.

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Speaker 3: Maybe not Thomas Hayden Church. He's not that meek, but

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Speaker 3: he's a scumbag in this So yeah, that's true. So

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Speaker 3: the Pharisees come to Jesus and they say, hey, you

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Speaker 3: and even with Thomas Hayden Church.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, let's go ahead, have just a little

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Speaker 2: bit of the trailer audio here, and there's probably gonna

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Speaker 2: be a little criptkeeper in there.

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Speaker 1: Universal Pictures is proud to present the Motion picture Directing

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Speaker 1: debut of.

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Speaker 4: One of America's most talented and respected artists.

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Speaker 2: Hot Cat.

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Speaker 4: Oh hello kitties, So glad you could join me? Your pal.

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Speaker 4: The Cryptkeeper has gone Hollywood in a big way. I'm

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Speaker 4: directing my first feature film, Care for a Little Shriek preview.

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Speaker 3: My Big Scream premiere.

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Speaker 4: I wanted lots of suspecse, special effects, sex, the kind

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Speaker 4: of thing you could really sink your teeth into, frights,

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Speaker 4: camera and ladies if you think demon nice gross and yucke.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: All right? So yeah, basically the idea here, but the

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Speaker 2: whole Tales from the Crypt thing is, you know, Tales

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Speaker 2: specials around Halloween. You know, it's basically it's based on

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Speaker 3: Yeah to me, the opening theme music of Tales from

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Speaker 3: the Crypt, I think it's composed by Danny Elfman. It

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Speaker 3: just sounds like the nineties, and it sounds like being

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's like it's the.

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Speaker 3: Sound of I think we may have made this comparison before,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it really does. And I guess one of

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Speaker 2: the interesting things about this is, like you can imagine

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Speaker 2: a movie. The thing is, Tales from the Crypt doesn't

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Speaker 2: bunch of little stories, much like the original Tales from

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Speaker 2: the Crypt film, the nineteen seventy two anthology picture from Amicus.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I don't think I even knew that existed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it has the Cryptkeeper in it, but the Cryptkeeper

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Speaker 3: That's nice. Yeah, But so, as you mentioned, the standard

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Speaker 3: you have basically a sleazy salad of gratuitous gore and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in a way, it's it's like horror in

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Speaker 2: we need the villains in our world, in our life

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Speaker 2: to suffer, and these little stories provide that suffering along

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Speaker 2: with some you know, gratuitous violence, maybe a little nudity

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Speaker 2: gallows humor finds its way into these episodes.

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Speaker 3: And lot of puns. I mean, the crypt Keeper loves

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Speaker 2: That's right, because, of course, the big thing about the

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Speaker 3: You know who the crypt Keeper is, It's the preserved

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Speaker 2: Well, let's start with the Cryptkeeper. Talking about people involved

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Speaker 2: HBO from eighty nine through ninety six, as well as

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Speaker 2: the cartoon Tales from the Crypt Keeper nineteen ninety three

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Speaker 2: through nineteen ninety nine three Tales from the Crypt movies.

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Speaker 2: Will get a touch on that in a bit, but basically,

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Speaker 3: But those were just in the comic right, They were

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Speaker 2: directed by Ernest Dickerson. Dickerson was born in nineteen fifty one,

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Speaker 3: by iced T, who is like homeless and depressed, and

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Speaker 3: And then of course the twist is once they get

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Speaker 3: Int Yeah, And I gotta say Iced Tea has a

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Speaker 2: brow Like, it's just tons of those type characters, most

433
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 2: of which they did nothing with. Most of them are

434
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 2: just I think like they have like a good dozen

435
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 2: of them that they kill in one scene just in passing.

436
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just have like the Star Wars canteena scene

437
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 3: but it's mutant mobsters.

438
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I feel like that kind of ruined me

439
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,360
Speaker 2: for traditional gangster films to a certain extent, because you're like, oh, well,

440
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 2: you know, Godfather's good, but he didn't have any mutants

441
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 2: in it. Oh.

442
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 3: I like the Godfather.

443
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 2: God Godfather is good, but yeah, but I'd like to

444
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 2: see mutant gangsters come back. I feel like that's the

445
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 2: that's the takeaway from Dick Tracy.

446
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 3: I agree, a little bit more boiling acid version of

447
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 3: The Godfather.

448
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 2: All Right. We said that there was an immortal drifter

449
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,880
Speaker 2: in this, and there is the character breaker played by

450
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 2: the always excellent William Sadler.

451
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 3: Oh Man, William Sadler, he's got one of those faces, right,

452
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 3: That's just he has an inherently evil looking face, which

453
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 3: makes me assume that in reality he must be a

454
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 3: nice guy, because I recall there being a bit about

455
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 3: this in the novel Around the World in Eighty Days,

456
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 3: which I haven't read since I was a kid, but

457
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 3: I remember there's a part where a police detective is

458
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 3: talking about how people who have criminal looking faces have

459
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 3: no choice but to be honest, because you know, everybody

460
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 3: looks at them and suspects they're a criminal. It's only

461
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 3: people who look very trustworthy who can really get away

462
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 3: with great crime. So I don't know for sure, but yeah, Sadler,

463
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 3: he just has that face where he looks like a

464
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 3: devil person. And there are other people like this who

465
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 3: just kind of naturally look like a cartoon devil, like

466
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 3: Malcolm McDowell kind of looks like a cartoon devil. There's

467
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 3: a Prosperity Gospel TV preacher Mike Murdoch who just looks

468
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 3: like a cartoon demon.

469
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: Well, Sadler, Yeah, he definitely has that sort of face.

470
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: He's played a fairly fairly diverse amount of roles. I

471
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 2: don't know, he does tend to sort of play your

472
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 2: rougher characters. He's he's played villains of differing varieties, Like

473
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 2: he's definitely played the the suit wearing villain, but he's

474
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 2: also played the you know, the sort of you know

475
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: dirt kicker kind of a villain as well.

476
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

477
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, for instance, he's he might be best known for

478
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 2: his role as the Seventh Seal inspired death in the

479
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 2: Bill and Ted movie.

480
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, the Reaper. Yeah, they melvin him yep.

481
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: And and also, interestingly enough, his rendition of that character

482
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 2: shows up on Tails from the Crypt at one point

483
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: in the Crypt Keeper sequence where he's like playing a

484
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 2: game of chess with the Cripkeeper or something. But he

485
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 2: was in Shashankrediction, he was in the Second Diehard movie.

486
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the guy. He's like the new martial arts Kernel.

487
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 3: I remember he's in the hotel room doing like naked

488
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 3: yoga or something, and then he I think at some

489
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 3: point he like punches out a TV screen.

490
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 2: He he was on Tails from the Crypt. He appeared

491
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: in in what I believe was the pilot episode The

492
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 2: Man Who Was Death, And he also played the host

493
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: of a Tale from the Crypt spinoff, the title of

494
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 2: the Two Fisted Tales. This apparently wasn't picked up. They

495
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: ended up just using the three episodes. I think that

496
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 2: they shot using them as Tales from the Crypt episodes.

497
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 2: But he had this whole persona of mister rush a

498
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: crazy old cowboy in a wheelchair and if you look

499
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: it up on YouTube you can find clips of it.

500
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 2: It's like he's just completely over the top in the role,

501
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 2: as one should be.

502
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,479
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Williams. Saddler is always like a high tension cable,

503
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 3: you know, He's like one of those like steel cables

504
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 3: that a tram car rides along.

505
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but yeah. Throughout his career he's played very

506
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: serious characters and he's played just yeah, real live wires.

507
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: He seemed to have a tremendous amount of range there,

508
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: but you don't see him, I guess, playing the hero

509
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: as much in this in this one.

510
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 3: Because he's got an evil looking face.

511
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but it works here because he's supposed to be.

512
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 2: He's a I mean, he's a guy on the very

513
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: you know, margins of law and society.

514
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 3: M yeah, all right.

515
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 2: Some of the rest of the cast here. C. C. H.

516
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: Pounder we already mentioned. She plays a character, Irene. She's

517
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 2: a She's a talented actor, probably best known for her

518
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: role on the Shield. She was in Avatar, she was

519
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 2: in RoboCop three, and a lot of TV work.

520
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 3: I think she does one of those big crime TV shows.

521
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 3: Now didn't she like in CIS or something.

522
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 2: I think so, yeah, she That's the sort of show

523
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: that she seemed to get a lot of work on. Now,

524
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: another character actor in this is somebody who recognized from

525
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 2: previous episodes of a Weird House, and that is Dick Miller,

526
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: who plays Uncle Willie. That's right, Yeah, I would say this,

527
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: whatever you expect of a Dick Miller character, you will

528
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: get it from this film. He's not really playing against

529
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: type or anything, but it's a substantial role. And I

530
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: found out on the special features for this one this

531
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: was his first time in his entire career in which

532
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: he wore a prosthetic makeup.

533
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 3: Oh wow, I assume this is for the part where

534
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 3: he turns into a demon, not for his regular regular appearance,

535
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: because here he is, like you say, playing perfectly to type.

536
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 3: He is just a whiskey guzzling drifter.

537
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

538
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 3: And there's some great drifter to drifter relations between him

539
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 3: and William Sadler.

540
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they have. They have some good scenes. Apparently,

541
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: like Dick Miller was, you know, in all these old

542
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: older films, He's Corman films and all. So apparently the

543
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: effects guys and Dickerson himself, they were just super thrilled

544
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 2: to have Dick Miller on the picture because you know,

545
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 2: this is a guy who was in all those old

546
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: films that they grew up watching. So that's pretty much.

547
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 3: Was you a vacuum salesman in a movie I saw

548
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 3: when I was a kid. Yeah, and you get taken

549
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 3: down to the furnace by by the Marlborough man.

550
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 2: It's like, I've seen you die so many times, how

551
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 2: about one more time? Let's see Thomas Aiden Church is

552
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: in this plays a character named Roach. Kind of Church

553
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 2: is kind of like a younger handsomer William Sadler in

554
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: some ways.

555
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, in this movie. So he plays this swaggering creep,

556
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 3: but with a swaggering creep with a luxurious like Jethro

557
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 3: tull Roady hair, and he's also wearing a Trent Reznor

558
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 3: style see through T shirt.

559
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's He's absolutely hateable in this role in

560
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: all the right ways. Like he really really makes you

561
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: hate this character. This was only his third film role though.

562
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 3: Wow.

563
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd go on to I mean he was I

564
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: think he'd already been on the show Wings and that's

565
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: what he was mainly known for. But he went on

566
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: of course being Sideways and Spider Man three.

567
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 3: Now the movie, of course, like any good horror movie,

568
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 3: especially any good horror movie from the nineties, has its

569
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 3: share of useless cops.

570
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we have two useless cops in this, one

571
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: of which dies pretty soon. The other is the deputy

572
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: deputy Bob Martel, that survives very long into the film.

573
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: And this is played by character actor Gary Farmer. And

574
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 2: here is your absolutely solid Overdrawn in the Memory Bank connection,

575
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: because he was in over Drawn in the Memory Bank.

576
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: Really I didn't know that.

577
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that, of course was a nineteen eighty three

578
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: American playhouse rendition of over Drawn in the Memory Bank

579
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: that starred Rawle Julia And he just has a small,

580
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: ultimately kind of awkward role in it. But he went

581
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: on to be in a ton more stuff. So he

582
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: was born in fifty three. He's a Canadian First Nations actor.

583
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: And let's see something like, for instance, he went on

584
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: to be in Dead Man the Western with the Johnny J.

585
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 3: Jarmusch movie, Yeah yeah.

586
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: And then also in his film Ghost Dog Way of

587
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: the Samurai. He actually plays the same character in those

588
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: two films. He plays his character named Nobody. Okay, Yeah,

589
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: And he was also apparently under consideration for the role

590
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: of doctor Gonzo in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas,

591
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: but that didn't come together for some reason.

592
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 3: Oh, that ultimately went to what's his name, Benicio del Toro, Yes,

593
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 3: Benicccio del Toro.

594
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: Yes.

595
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: Oh you know what, Actually I should go back on

596
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: what I said earlier, because I said that this movie

597
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,959
Speaker 3: has useless cops, and it is a very reliable trope

598
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 3: of horror movies, especially like horror movies of the nineties.

599
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 3: But it's it's pretty much always there that you can

600
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 3: just count on cops to not be useful in them,

601
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 3: you know, like you run up. You never have the

602
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: scene where you run up to a cop and say

603
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 3: there's a monster chasing us and they whip out their

604
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 3: gun and say where get behind me. No, it's always like, oh,

605
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: calm down, missy, and then there's just like a claw

606
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 3: sticking through their face or something. But in this movie,

607
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 3: Gary Farmer's deputy Bob, he actually he becomes more useful

608
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 3: as the movie goes on than is actually kind of

609
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 3: heroic by the end.

610
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, even though he you know, as a character actor,

611
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: he has this kind of like bumbling quality to him.

612
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: You know, it plays well to comedy, and he does

613
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: some good comedy in this. But yeah, he also they

614
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: do more with the character than just have him fumble

615
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: a gun and get killed by a monster. All right.

616
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: Another interesting character we have in this is Charles Fleischer,

617
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: who plays his character Wally. I think this is a character.

618
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,479
Speaker 2: A lot of you may not recognize his name. Some

619
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: of you may not even recognize a picture of him,

620
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: but you would recognize his voice, at least one voice

621
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: that he does because he was the voice of Roger Rabbit.

622
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 3: Wow.

623
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: And outside of that, he often plays weirdos. He has

624
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: a real kind of like weirdo look to him. You know,

625
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: he plays that kind of character. Well, he doesn't disappoint

626
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: in this film. He plays another weirdo.

627
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 3: He plays a very awkward guy in yeah movie.

628
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: But I've seen him in a number of things. He

629
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: had a fun role recurring role on Jonathan Ames TV

630
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: series Blunt Talk. So he's always a treat when he

631
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: shows up. But it doesn't seem he doesn't show up

632
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: a lot in things I watch.

633
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 3: Now. We know that Ernest Dickerson was himself cinematographer on

634
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 3: a bunch of other movies, so he's directing here. Who

635
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 3: does the cinematography.

636
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: One Rick Boda or Bata Bota, who went on to

637
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: direct not one, not two, but three direct to video

638
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: Hell Raiser sequels Ride in a Row, Hell Seeker, Debtor,

639
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: and Hell World.

640
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 3: I believe that's gonna be your numbers six, seven, and

641
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 3: eight in the Hell Raiser series. I would say that

642
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: is not a high point of the series. But it's

643
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: weird because so those are not very good Hell Raiser movies.

644
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: But I like his cinematography style in the movie. It's nothing,

645
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 3: you know, it's nothing all that artistic, but it's very fluid.

646
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 3: I mean, like it's good in the sense that it's

647
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 3: the kind of good filmmaking that don't you're not thinking

648
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 3: about technique.

649
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And it has some some nice use of

650
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: gels in places that they kind of give it that

651
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: tales from the crypt vibe without like overdoing it right.

652
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: Like you see a similar thing done in what was

653
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: Stephen king Creep Show, where it was also an homage

654
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: to horror comics of old, But there are scenes in

655
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: that where they just go crazy with the gels to

656
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: create these kind of comic book colors, and so there's

657
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: a little lot of it in here, but it feels

658
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: a lot a lot more restrained.

659
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: So Hell World is the Evil Dead or not Evil

660
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 3: Dead the I've totally forgotten what it's called hell Raiser

661
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: hell hell World is the hell Raiser movie where the

662
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: tagline is evil goes Online. Oh man, it's the one

663
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 3: where they go to So I think it's supposed to

664
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 3: be that the Pinhead is in a computer or something,

665
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: but then nobody ever really goes online in the movie.

666
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 3: I was talking to my friend Chuck about this not

667
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: too long ago. He pointed out that it's really a

668
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: very offline movie. It's about a party. People go to

669
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: a big party at somebody's house and Pinhead starts killing him.

670
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: Oh wow. Well, yeah, I never saw any of those,

671
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: those these three hell Raiser films in particular, but they

672
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: all had Doug Bradley and then at least a little bit,

673
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:54,719
Speaker 2: so they have that going for him.

674
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 3: I guess Hell World also has Lance Hendrickson.

675
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Oh, I think I read about that

676
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: where they were able they were able to get him

677
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: for the role because he happened to be in I

678
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: want to say, these were filmed in Romania, and he

679
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: was in Romania already filming some other role and they're like, hey,

680
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: we can get Lance Henderson. He's got another day or

681
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 2: two on his hotel room.

682
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 3: And they did it perfect serendipity.

683
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

684
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 3: Now, we mentioned that the cinematography of the movie is

685
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 3: quite effective. It's nothing too flashy, but it's fun and

686
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 3: it's loose and it's very fluid and you're just right

687
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 3: in there in the action. I would say the same

688
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 3: thing for the makeup effects in the movie, which are

689
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 3: quite good.

690
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the makeup and the monsters in this are great.

691
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: And we have the Todd Masters Company to think for this.

692
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: They did all the special makeup on the picture. They

693
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 2: did the monsters, and Masters was ideal for this because

694
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: he was a Tales from the Crypt veteran already at

695
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 2: that point, and he's done a lot of film and

696
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: TV work, and he did a great job on the

697
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: monsters in this film as well, from like a just

698
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: from like a conceptual standpoint, because apparently in the early

699
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: stages the monsters were going to be more zombie like

700
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: or just kind of like possessed people, and he ended

701
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: up pushing for a different design, a design that ultimately

702
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 2: I think ended up being cheaper, which the studio liked,

703
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: but it leaned heavily on body paint and lean actors

704
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 2: in stilts with just prosthetic heads and some interesting like

705
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 2: growin and tail features that we'll get to here in

706
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: a bit. The monsters are terrific, but Masters has been

707
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: involved in a number of different films that have great

708
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 2: practical special effects like Necronomicon, Book of the Dead, Hell Raiser, Bloodline,

709
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: The Resurrected. The Resurrected is the good Lovecraft movie that

710
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: I was trying to remember in a previous episode. He

711
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: was in the fifth Nightmare on m Street movie. He

712
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 2: was in Return of not In. He did the effects

713
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: for them, Return of Swamp Things, Slither Star Trek, First Contact.

714
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: He did the borg stuff in that with the you know,

715
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 2: the boorg Queen. He was responsible for that. And apparently

716
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: he's going to do a movie according to IMDb, about

717
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: giant leeches. So bringing the giant leeches back. I think

718
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: they've been absent from cinema for well, what since the

719
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: fifties or something.

720
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 3: Oh, bring them on. But yeah, I agree with everything

721
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 3: you said. I really love the monster design in this movie.

722
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 3: It's simple. They look great. They've got green glowing eyes

723
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: and mouths. That's excellent.

724
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 2: All right, Well let's jump into the film itself. Let's

725
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 2: let's roll through the plot.

726
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 3: Well, so, first of all, you have a classic Tails

727
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 3: from the crypt opening, which is, you know, your Dolly

728
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 3: shot through the Cobweby mansion, and then you go down

729
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: a secret passageway into the dungeon and it looks like

730
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: it's the layer of Doctor Faustus. And then the crypt

731
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 3: keeper he pops up out of the coffin and cackles

732
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 3: at you. And as I said before, all the sound

733
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 3: effects here, it's the Tales from the Crypto music is playing,

734
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 3: and then you get there crypt keeper laugh. That is

735
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 3: that is such a powerful auditory queue to nineties childhood mindset.

736
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: I showed that, just the opening to my son to

737
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: see how he would dig it, and he did not

738
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: dig it. He found it, Oh, he found it. They

739
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: found it frightening, and he did not want any part

740
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 2: of it.

741
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: That's probably all for the best. This movie is not

742
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 3: for kids.

743
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: And I'm not to say he was traumatized by it

744
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: or anything, but I was like, you want to check

745
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 2: this out for Halloween, and he's like, okay, sure, and

746
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 2: then he saw it and he's like no, thank you.

747
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 3: Now. I don't know if we even mentioned this before,

748
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 3: but the movie starts with an opening segment that is

749
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 3: not connected to the rest of the plot. I guess

750
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 3: we did mention that there were brackets, but it starts

751
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 3: you off in media res with stuff going on with

752
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 3: other characters you like. Pan up and it's on the

753
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 3: scene of a woman reclining in lingerie talking on the

754
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: phone about how she has just murdered her husband, like

755
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: his bloody clothes are still all over the place, and

756
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 3: he's and we see he's downstairs dissolving in a tub

757
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 3: of acid in the basement, and she's tall looking to

758
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 3: her lover on the phone about how much they're going

759
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 3: to enjoy spending all of the dead guy's money, and then,

760
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 3: of course, pretty much immediately the tub corpse wakes up,

761
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 3: and then it climbs the stairs and it has a

762
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 3: hatchet in its hand and it charges in on her

763
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: in a psycho style scene where she's in the bathtub

764
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 3: and he's like ah, and then we get a cut, cut, cut,

765
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 3: and it turns out it's a movie within a movie.

766
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 3: The corpse man is being played by John Laura Keett,

767
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 3: which is just excellent wait, did we already talk about

768
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 3: John Laura Keett.

769
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: We didn't. But of course he's most famous, or at least

770
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: for older TV viewers, for being the lawyer what was

771
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 2: the name Felding on Night Court?

772
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 3: I never saw Night Court Handfielding.

773
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

774
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 3: He also plays a lawyer at some point on The

775
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: West Wing.

776
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he played a lot of characters like that. But

777
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: for horror fans, he of course was the narrator on

778
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 2: the original Texas Chainsaw Masker, that opening scroll that sets

779
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 2: the tone for the film, and he did that at

780
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: least in the the follow up in Texas Chanceallmascer two.

781
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if he did any of the sequels

782
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: beyond that. I think he did, but most notably that

783
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: first one though, really the first thing you hear in

784
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 2: that picture.

785
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 3: He's good at playing a kind of like a thundering, conceited,

786
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: pompous wind bag exactly.

787
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's That's everything that he played to a tee.

788
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 3: But in this movie, it's funny because he's just got

789
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 3: this bit part where he plays an actor playing a

790
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 3: tub corpse who's about to hatchet his his scheming ex

791
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 3: wife to death. And then but it turns out it's

792
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: a movie within a movie. And then we pan up

793
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 3: on the crypt Keeper, who's sitting in the director's chair,

794
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: so imagine Jeremy Bentham's preserved remains and start he starts

795
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 3: screaming at John Larroquette about how he can't act at all.

796
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: He's like, you're no Gory Cooper, You're not even a

797
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 3: Robert Dadford.

798
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: And he was an ambitious bit of special effects here,

799
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 2: because they clearly had a live actor doing some sort

800
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: of like green screen head and then they put the

801
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 2: puppeteered crypt keeper head over that in post so it

802
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: looks and it looks maybe a tiny bit rough. You

803
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: can tell there's some ambitious special effects going on here.

804
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 2: But it's still amusing, which makes sense. You know, this

805
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: is Tales from the Crypt the movie. You should go

806
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: for it right.

807
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 3: Right, And it's great because so this opening film within

808
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 3: a film thing is perfect. It is a Tales from

809
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: the Crypt episode. You know, it's a c detail in

810
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 3: which a bad person gets what's coming to them.

811
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

812
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 3: But so then of course we get the crypt Keeper

813
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 3: introducing the main story. He's you know, I can't remember

814
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 3: exactly what he says, but he makes a bunch of

815
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 3: puns and then he's like, I call this one demon night,

816
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 3: and then we cut to the opening credits over a

817
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 3: car cruising on a dark desert highway with the most

818
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 3: perfect nineteen ninety five soundtrack choice.

819
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: That's right, it's filters hey Man, nice shot, which is

820
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: also in the trailer I think, which I think is

821
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 2: just mandatory. This was just us law that if you

822
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: had a film that came out in ninety five, you

823
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: had to use hey Man I shot.

824
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. It was hard to contain the laughter

825
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 3: while that was going on. And then of course we

826
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 3: see William Saddler driving and he's you know, looking over

827
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 3: his shoulder as if pursued by the hounds of hell.

828
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 3: But no, it's even worse. It's Billy Zane and a

829
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 3: cowboy hat. And it's very funny when it first reveals

830
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 3: Billy Zayne's smirking face in the in the car that's

831
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 3: chasing William Saddler, and so William Sadler starts to run

832
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 3: out of gas on this desert highway and there is

833
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: a highway showdown slash shootout, like Billy z Ane's riding

834
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 3: up on him, and William Sadler gets out a rifle

835
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 3: it's like a lever action rifle, and starts shooting at

836
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 3: Billy Zanne's car. Eventually the car catches on fire, but

837
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 3: Billy Zayn, undeterred, just rams straight into Saddler's car. Saddler

838
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: gets out of it at the last second, and there's

839
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: this huge fiery ramming explosion. So William Saddler escapes the

840
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 3: flaming wreckage. And I guess we're supposed to assume, as

841
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 3: the naive audience, that Billy Zain has been killed in

842
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 3: the explosion, I guess, But why would we actually believe that?

843
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 3: I mean, would it make sense for Billy's aying to

844
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 3: be killed. No, it doesn't, doesn't. But William Sadler he

845
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 3: looks at his palm and he sees a bunch of dots.

846
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 3: I think they're a little like star tattoos on his palm,

847
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: and some of them are glowing and others are not.

848
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 3: And then he just sort of ambles on through the night.

849
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: He's got drifter energy.

850
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 2: He's got places to be apocalypses too for event.

851
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: Right, And so he ambles on into Wormwood, New Mexico,

852
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 3: again not a real place, and goes up to a

853
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 3: diner called the Halfway House Cafe and immediately starts trying

854
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 3: to jack cars, Like he gets out a butterfly knife

855
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 3: and is sticking it in the keyhole of a car

856
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 3: outside in the parking lot, and a kid comes out

857
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 3: and he's like, hey, are you stealing my daddy's car?

858
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: And he's like, no, I'm just testing the lock.

859
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: Wormwood, New Mexico seems like a very interesting place because

860
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: not only do they have drifters, it seems to be

861
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 2: exclusively populated by drifters. Like I want to meet other

862
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: drifters that make up this town, like Mayor Drifter and

863
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: the rest of the post office, Like everybody's kind of

864
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 2: like a suspect, a drifter type character.

865
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: It's a drifter community. Like the characters in the town

866
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 3: who are not drifters, they're written in such a way

867
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: that they're like one decision away from being a drifter.

868
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we all are, really, but especially these characters.

869
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 3: So anyway, a bunch of people run out of the diner.

870
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 3: I think one of the people who runs out is

871
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 3: Thomas Hayden Church. But a bunch of people run out

872
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 3: and then they run William Saddler off, so he's chased

873
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 3: off into the night where he runs into Dick Miller

874
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 3: as an old drunk and they share some whiskey and

875
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 3: commiserate for a bid and then Dick Miller tells him that, hey,

876
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 3: I know a place where you can bed down for

877
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: the night, and so they're funneling him toward this old church.

878
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 3: You can immediately tell the sort of plot mechanics that

879
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: are happening here. We're sivving all of the characters into

880
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 3: this one fortress location.

881
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 2: Now, fact about this location, it looks really great, it

882
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: lose phenomenal. But when they went to put the film together,

883
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: Dickerson particularly did not want to film at night and

884
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 2: have like really long nights of shoots for the cast

885
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 2: and crew. So that was one of the reasons that

886
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: instead they got an airplane hangar, and in it they

887
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: built that building and the immediate surroundings oh nice like

888
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 2: in its entirety, so that they could just film during

889
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 2: the day at their leisure and have complete control over

890
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: the lighting. But there was one issue. Pigeons were already

891
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 2: living in there in the airplane hangar, and you know

892
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: how pigeons are, They're constantly making noise, making these pigeon noises.

893
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: So they couldn't get rid of the pigeons. But what

894
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,959
Speaker 2: they ended up doing is every time before they would

895
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 2: the roll the camera, before they'd say action, they would

896
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: fire off a blank They would fire off a gun

897
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: in order to just frighten the pigeons and get them

898
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 2: to shut up, so they could they could have this

899
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 2: window of time in which they could film before the

900
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 2: pigeons started to their ruckus. Again.

901
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: Oh, that's funny. Somehow I feel like I could kind

902
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 3: of sense that it was that it was indoor for outdoor,

903
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,959
Speaker 3: even though it's a vast expanse, like you can't see

904
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: the walls of the airplane hangar or anything.

905
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: But that's good.

906
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: And I think I've said this on the show before.

907
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: I for some reason always really enjoy a good indoor

908
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 3: for outdoor set. Well.

909
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: It can make a very surreal environment, you know. And

910
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 2: it makes sense for this film because the only exteriors

911
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 2: we have were this loathsome former church in the middle

912
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: of a desert at the end of the world, and

913
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: then one flashback to the Crucifixion. So yeah, so it

914
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: makes sense that that we have this alien environment created

915
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 2: by shooting everything inside of an airplane hangar exactly.

916
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 3: But so what is this church? Dick Miller explains to

917
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 3: us that it's a church that isn't a church anymore.

918
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 3: He says they decommissioned it in the fifties due to

919
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 3: lack of interest.

920
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: That's the official monology on the decommissioning.

921
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 3: Form, right, Yeah, it was like interest on who's part,

922
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 3: like on the preacher there, or.

923
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 2: I think it was the town. There's just you know,

924
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: it's just a bunch of drifters.

925
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 3: It's just like, I'm not interested in that reverend. But so, yeah,

926
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 3: it turns into it turns out to be this boarding house.

927
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 3: It's like a desert hotel sort of. And it's it's

928
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 3: like we said, it's like the evil Dead cabin for

929
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 3: the movie, the Fortress of Order that will collect the

930
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 3: characters and then fall under attack. It's the supernatural Alamo.

931
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

932
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 3: Oh, and then meanwhile we also see that Billy Zain

933
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 3: is hooking up with the police, Like the police are

934
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 3: investigating the crash on the on the highway. The cars

935
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 3: are on fire. They're like nobody could have survived that.

936
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 3: Those cars hit each other going one hundred miles per hour,

937
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 3: which we saw that opening scene. They were not going

938
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 3: one hundred miles an hour, but whatever. So but then

939
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 3: Billy Zaine just sort of like walks out from behind

940
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 3: the flaming car and he's like, hey, what's up, and

941
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 3: they're all like, oh, I didn't think you could have

942
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 3: survived that. But so he explains to them that he

943
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 3: was chasing a man who stole something, and so they're like, well,

944
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: we'll help you find him, and so Zayan therefore enlists

945
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: the police on his team.

946
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: Initially, yeah, he's just so ding dang charming, they just

947
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: can't say no. Yeah. Now, I have to say the

948
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: film does a great job setting all this up, there's

949
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 2: no wasted motion really, and getting us from here into

950
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 2: our siege location and beginning to establish the rules for everything.

951
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: And then the characters are mostly there to fulfill basic

952
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,479
Speaker 2: tropes in the story, you know again, like the bumbling cop,

953
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 2: et cetera. But you know, I feel like it comes

954
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: together rather well and also ultimately surprises you with a

955
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: few choices in terms of like who survives and who doesn't.

956
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally all.

957
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 2: Right, we got everybody more or less bottled up inside

958
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: this old building. Who are our characters?

959
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not gonna remember all of them, but so

960
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 3: the main ones. I guess. You got William Sadler as

961
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 3: this guy who will find out his named breaker. He's

962
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 3: the drifter. You've got Jada Pinkett playing Jerlene, who is

963
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 3: she is somebody who I think formerly was in prison

964
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 3: and now she's working for the boarding house on work release.

965
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 3: Then you've got c h. Pounder who is playing Irene,

966
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: who is the owner proprietor of the boarding house. You've

967
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 3: got Cordelia who is a prostitute. You've got Wally who

968
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 3: is a mail carrier. You've got Thomas Hayden Church. I

969
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 3: don't remember his character's name, but he's the creep. He's

970
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 3: the guy roach right, Yeah, he's like the cook at

971
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 3: the diner who is just a nasty backstab and woman

972
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 3: Hayten creep. And then a few others.

973
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: Well, you got uncle Wally in there.

974
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 3: Oh did we not already talk about uncle We talked

975
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 3: about uncle Uncle Willie, Uncle Willy. That's that's that's stick Miller.

976
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

977
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 3: And then and then we'll have the police and then

978
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 3: oh and there's a kid who shows up later, I think.

979
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: But that's basically it. That's it.

980
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, okay, I thought I may have forgotten somebody.

981
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 3: There's a great scene when we're sort of just getting

982
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 3: to know all the characters. There's a scene of Breaker

983
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 3: eating this food on the table. It's just bright green slop.

984
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 3: It looks like the slime that they used to have

985
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 3: on Nickelodeon.

986
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 2: Ye.

987
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 3: So it's just bright green liquid that he's eating with

988
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 3: a spoon and he slathers it in ketchup.

989
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but he's happy to get it. He's just

990
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: he's clearly famished.

991
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then eventually the police arrive with Billy Zain

992
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 3: in response to a report of an attempted car theft.

993
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 3: I think that was William Sadler trying to jack the

994
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 3: car with his knife earlier. And as soon as Billy

995
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 3: Zay arrives and sees William Saddler in the sporting house,

996
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 3: it's just like this is like the you know, the

997
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 3: lights go off and he's sick in the cops on him.

998
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 3: They've got William Saddler in cuffs and Zayne is looking

999
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 3: for what Breaker stole, which is an antiquity of some kind.

1000
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's going to be our main plot element

1001
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: here that we'll get to do in a bit. This

1002
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 2: is the key. This is the thing that the demons

1003
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 2: want and that the the mortals in the universe absolutely

1004
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 2: cannot let fall into their hands.

1005
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 3: Right, And then Dick Miller sells him out. I felt betrayed.

1006
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 3: They've got him in the cuffs there, they're like, where

1007
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 3: is the thing? They've been looking around for it. I

1008
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 3: think they come across Thomas Hayden Church in the middle

1009
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,959
Speaker 3: of some kind of sex act that involves him getting

1010
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 3: hooked up to a car battery.

1011
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: Oh. Yeah, he has a great line, didn't He's like,

1012
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 2: my nipples are burning.

1013
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think he says they're smoking.

1014
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: Smoking, My nipples are smoking. Yeah, it's good. I hope

1015
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 2: it's in his reel.

1016
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 3: Oh, it's got to be.

1017
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: But yeah.

1018
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 3: Eventually they've looked all over for this thing. They can't

1019
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 3: find it. Then Dick Miller sells him out. He sells

1020
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 3: out breaker. He's like, hey, actually the artifact is just

1021
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 3: here under the table where everybody's standing. Yeah, and it's

1022
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 3: some kind of key, But it's also like a bottle

1023
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 3: filled with some liquid, and Billy Zay won't touch it.

1024
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 3: It's clear something very significant is going on. What he

1025
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 3: wants is for Dick Miller to pour out its contents

1026
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 3: and then put it into a suitcase for him, and

1027
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 3: Breaker tells him not to do it, and they argue

1028
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: back and forth, and eventually the cops are like, ah,

1029
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 3: the hell with it. Both of the cars from this

1030
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 3: car crash were stolen. You're both going to jail and

1031
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 3: we'll figure it out later. So they try to take

1032
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 3: Sadler and Zaane off to jail. But then Zaye I

1033
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 3: think the a switch flips and he comes off the

1034
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 3: leash with an excellent punch right through the sheriff's head.

1035
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 3: Through the sheriff's head Ricky O style.

1036
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, except unlike Ricky Oh, he's got this wonderful awkwardness

1037
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: of the head being stuck on his fist on his arm.

1038
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 2: Seems like having to try and get that off of

1039
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: his hand.

1040
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 3: It's pretty great, yeah, And then all hell breaks loose.

1041
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 3: Billy fights to get the key, Breaker burns him with it,

1042
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 3: so it's like a vampire with a crucifix, you know.

1043
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 3: If you touch the key to his face, it seems

1044
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 3: to burn him. And then Billy Zaying flies out the

1045
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 3: window and then stands there while everybody watches him, and

1046
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 3: he pierces his palm with a fingernail bleeds a bunch

1047
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 3: of green blood all over the place. The drops of

1048
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 3: his green blood on the earth make an army of

1049
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 3: demons to attack the house.

1050
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: He throws a nice hissy fit first, though, there's a

1051
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 2: there's a great but yeah. Then he starts summoning the monsters,

1052
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: and man, if you if you weren't already on board

1053
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 2: with this, once the monsters pop out in this film,

1054
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 2: you're really good to go, because these are some great monsters. Again,

1055
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 2: these are like they're They're unlike most monsters I've seen

1056
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: in other films. They're like these ghastly gaunt grave walker

1057
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 2: types but with also with the with the glowing green

1058
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 2: eyes that we mentioned, but also like piercings in places,

1059
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: but but not in like a punk sense, in a

1060
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: like a seemingly like antique sense, like they're creatures of

1061
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 2: another time. Yeahn you know, Yeah, so they have I

1062
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 2: feel like they play against expectations in the of the

1063
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 2: typical demon and zombie trope, like.

1064
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 3: Like the jewelry you might find in like an ancient

1065
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 3: grave or something, you know, like ancient Egypt or something

1066
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 3: who or something.

1067
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have kind of a gin quality to them,

1068
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 2: and they have a great silhouette to them. You know,

1069
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 2: it's kind of like when you think of like having

1070
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: a good logo, they say, well, it has to be

1071
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 2: able to work in black and white. I mean you

1072
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: think of like a iconic characters like Darth Vader, you

1073
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 2: can recognize him by his silhouette, and these monsters cut

1074
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 2: a really signature silhouette, which is key because they're often

1075
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 2: just shot there. You see some great close ups of them,

1076
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 2: but they're often just in the background, in the in

1077
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 2: the shadows, kind of creeping about and all.

1078
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's great also because they provide a sort

1079
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 3: of textural setting that really allows Billy Zaane to shine

1080
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 3: because Billy Zain is the front man doing his uh,

1081
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 3: doing his his funny stick. He's like a you know,

1082
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 3: a burlesque comedian or something. And then he's got the

1083
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 3: green eyed goblins all slinking around behind him to back

1084
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 3: him up. They're his course line.

1085
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. Now on the feature at one cool thing

1086
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 2: they mentioned, I mentioned how like basically these are these

1087
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 2: these outfits depend heavily on just body painting, like slender actors,

1088
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of like skin involved, and there's stilts.

1089
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 2: But then they have an awesome prosth had it looks

1090
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: kind of like a you know, demonic pickled pig or something.

1091
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 2: And then they then they have this they're they're groin

1092
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: and their their there there that area is covered up,

1093
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 2: and they have these tails, uh, these like stunted tails

1094
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 2: that wag and apparently those were radio controlled and the

1095
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: actors had to stow the battery like high up between

1096
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 2: their legs. So it was quite a demanding role a

1097
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: you know, stilts battery between your leg big piece of

1098
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 2: prosthetics over your head. But the end result looks tremendous.

1099
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 3: I totally agree. So so once these monsters are in

1100
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 3: play and Billy zines outside trying to cause trouble, we've

1101
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,959
Speaker 3: got scenes of William Saddler running around the house trying

1102
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 3: to seal up the openings, like seal up the doors

1103
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 3: and windows with blood from this key. And then we

1104
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 3: get flashbacks of the Crucifixion of Jesus yep, involving green

1105
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 3: eyed demons and lightning strikes.

1106
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and again they have a has an excellent

1107
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 2: otherworldly feel to it, like this could be the Crucifixion

1108
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 2: on an a world, which especially since it seems a

1109
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 2: bit different, because I mean, some of you you ever

1110
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: went to Sunday School and you know you've ever read

1111
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 2: your Bible, You probably don't remember the hooded demons that

1112
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 2: are showing up and chasing people around at the foot

1113
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 2: of the cross, but it happens here.

1114
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 3: History is written by the victors, you know. The demons

1115
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 3: lost that struggle, so they got written out of the story.

1116
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 3: This is funny because it made me think about what

1117
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 3: is the best Golgotha scene ever in a horror movie?

1118
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 3: And another one that occurred to me is Layer of

1119
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 3: the Whiteworm by Kim Russell, which is an awesomely weird

1120
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 3: movie that we may have to cover on here someday.

1121
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that one has a good one. I

1122
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: feel like maybe there's at least one other Kim Russell

1123
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 2: film that has a crucifixion scene in it. Doesn't it

1124
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 2: show up in His Last Devils? Well maybe in The Devils,

1125
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 2: but also in The Altered States, right.

1126
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 3: Oh, the one where William Hurd is sort of playing R.

1127
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 3: Gordon Wasson or maybe he's playing what's his name the

1128
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 3: guy you did in as about.

1129
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 2: Oh John C. Lilly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that

1130
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: one has a weird crucifixion in it. There's also an

1131
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 2: excellent otherworldly crucifixion scene in the Ninth Configuration, the nineteen

1132
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 2: eighty film directed by William Peter Bladdie and written by him,

1133
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: based on one of his novels. Yeah, it's that one.

1134
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 2: Who that's a weird film we could discuss, and it's

1135
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 2: got some great performances in it.

1136
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 3: So after this part where the demons are set loose,

1137
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 3: the rest of the movie you could say it becomes

1138
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 3: less structured, I guess, because it's just sort of like

1139
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 3: a you know, you get different sort of vignettes within

1140
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 3: the supernatural demon siege, Like you get Billy Zane issuing

1141
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 3: hallucinatory temptations to various characters in the boarding house, and

1142
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 3: then often this temptation scene will be followed by demon

1143
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 3: possession of the person, and then there will be attacks

1144
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 3: by monsters, human attempting to escape and so forth, and

1145
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 3: more flashbacks about the backstory of the key. We get

1146
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 3: to see Breaker in World War One, it seems, looking

1147
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 3: exactly the same. Age he's in the trenches. A buddy

1148
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 3: of his gets killed somehow and is bleeding all over

1149
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 3: the place, and the guy's like, now you are the

1150
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 3: chosen one, and the I guess the memory of the

1151
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 3: crucifixion of Jesus gets like downloaded into William Sadler's brain.

1152
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's now part of this lineage of immortals

1153
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 2: that have to protect the key and carry it through time, right.

1154
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 3: And eventually Breaker has to explain this to all the

1155
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 3: other characters and they're like, wow, that's interesting. You're the

1156
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 3: chosen one across time and you've been alive since World

1157
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 3: War One. And Thomas Hayden Church, who I just realized

1158
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 3: earlier his initials are THHC. But anyway, he comes up.

1159
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 3: So he's been a jerk the entire time so far.

1160
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 3: He's been, you know, acting cowardly and cruel to others.

1161
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 3: And after this story he comes up to a Breaker

1162
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,479
Speaker 3: and he's like, wow, I really admire what you did.

1163
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 3: I was wrong about you. But then, of course, what

1164
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 3: he's really trying to do is get Breaker to let

1165
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 3: his guard down so he can double cross him, and

1166
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 3: he swipes the key from him.

1167
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, now he's swiped the key. Meanwhile, the temptations continue

1168
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 2: because even though Billy's ain and his demon minions are

1169
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 2: stuck outside for the most part, he can reach out

1170
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: to your mind and tempt you last Temptation of Christ

1171
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 2: style with something you want, And some of the these

1172
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: make for some nice, fun little sequences. For instance, when

1173
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 2: he's tempting Jada Pinkett's character, it's it's the this is

1174
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: the sequence where it's like in it feels like it's

1175
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 2: in a parking garage and there's this weird scene of

1176
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 2: her face on a screen and they're like demon hands

1177
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 2: on the other side pressing against it. And then when

1178
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: that rips open, she's she sees this image of breakers

1179
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 2: Breaker like being torn apart by the creatures of them

1180
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 2: eating his entrails.

1181
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he's I think Billy Zane's tempting her with

1182
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 3: the idea that she that he could make her like

1183
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 3: rich and famous and she'll see the world. Yeah, she'll

1184
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 3: see the world. Oh, it's like it's like the vivid

1185
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 3: you know, which they'll like to see the world. And

1186
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 3: it seems Jada Pinkett really would like to see the world.

1187
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 3: Like she's interested in this temptation, though she doesn't fall

1188
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 3: for it. She's got the heroic constitution to resist the temptation.

1189
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what would that what would that saving

1190
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 3: throw be?

1191
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 2: In D and D h I guess that would be

1192
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 2: they'd be like a wisdom saving throw. Okay, so maybe

1193
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 2: a charisma. I don't know, it depends how you play it.

1194
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: Probably wisdom.

1195
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 3: She succeeds on the wisdom saving throw. She resists the temptation,

1196
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 3: but what he's tempting her with is like, it's not

1197
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 3: exactly clear, but it seems to suggest like, yeah, you

1198
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 3: could have your face on the cover of magazines and

1199
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 3: you could travel to all the capitals of the world

1200
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 3: and see Rome and everything. Wouldn't you like that?

1201
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 2: Oh? And the whole time the grave dig is track

1202
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 2: one eight hundred Suicide is playing, which is just a

1203
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 2: great beat in the background.

1204
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an awesome song. I don't does it ever

1205
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 3: get to the part with lyrics? I don't.

1206
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 2: I don't think they that much of it. Yeah, they

1207
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 2: just use the intro. You got to be looking for

1208
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 2: it to notice it.

1209
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, that is a great beat. It does not

1210
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 3: get to the part about confront an alligator let it

1211
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 3: eat your raw.

1212
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 2: Ah man. But there are other temptation scenes as well, right.

1213
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, there's a bunch of them. There's the temptation

1214
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 3: of Dick Miller is great because his is quite different.

1215
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 3: His is a world of beautiful naked women offering him

1216
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 3: bottles of scotch. And then he just sort of like

1217
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 3: wanders through this crowd of ladies being like, try mine

1218
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 3: and holds up but they're all holding identical bottles of scotch,

1219
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 3: I think. And then he goes up maybe maybe Dick

1220
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 3: Miller is just dedicated to one brand. I couldn't tell

1221
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 3: what brand it was. They've got the labels turned away.

1222
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 3: But then he goes up to a bar. And then

1223
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 3: it turns out Billy Zain is the bartender in this

1224
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 3: temptation dream and he so he's a friendly bartender who

1225
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 3: offers him booze, but I think is also supposed to

1226
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 3: be Hunter S. Thompson. Was I mistaken here?

1227
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: No?

1228
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,439
Speaker 2: I think you're right. It's very very much a Hunter

1229
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 2: S Thompson. Look he has going on behind the bar there. Yeah,

1230
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: and again it's it's it is Billy Zayane is an

1231
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 2: evil genie from the Disney movie Aladdin here and in

1232
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:09,959
Speaker 2: it way works really well.

1233
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 3: I can't remember what Billy Zain says, maybe something about

1234
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 3: the golf shoes, but it works. Oh but anyway, this

1235
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 3: leads to, you know, as the standard sequence is somebody

1236
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 3: has a temptation, they succumb to the temptation. They're like, yeah,

1237
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,439
Speaker 3: I want I want what you are putting down. Billy

1238
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 3: Zain and Dick Miller obviously wants this, and so he

1239
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 3: turns into a demon and attacks some of the characters.

1240
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 3: I don't remember all who, but I think maybe he's

1241
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 3: fighting with Jada Pinkett and with William Sadler, and somehow

1242
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 3: his head gets cut off, and there's a great scene

1243
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 3: where they, oh, the demons are vulnerable in their eyes.

1244
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 3: The way you can put a demon down is to

1245
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 3: like shoot it in the green eyeballs. And so the

1246
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 3: way they stop Dick Miller's severed head from continually commanding

1247
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 3: his body to attack them is one of the characters

1248
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 3: grabs his head and shoves it into the antler of

1249
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 3: a mounted stag.

1250
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there's some great eye violence to the demons

1251
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 2: in this film.

1252
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. There's also a great scene where Billy Zain is

1253
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 3: wheeling and dealing with Thomas Hayden Church because I remember

1254
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 3: thhc is. He's been like, hey, I've got the key,

1255
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 3: I stole it. You know, I'll give it to you

1256
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 3: if you let me escape. And so they're they're talking

1257
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 3: about their deal and Billy's ain is just walking on sunshine.

1258
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 3: He is so light on his feet and frisky and exciting.

1259
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 2: Yeah he is. It's another great scene and it's and

1260
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 2: you know exactly what's going to happen, you know, and

1261
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 2: it's it's delightful. This is a scene in which it's

1262
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 2: it's like Tails from the Crypt classic again because you

1263
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 2: have a horrible character that's gonna make making this choice.

1264
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 2: You think he's gonna get away, but no, he's not

1265
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 2: gonna get away with it because he's gonna be double

1266
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 2: crossed by Billy Zaine. Of course, he barely makes it

1267
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 2: down the stairs before he says, actually, I lied, You're

1268
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 2: not gonna make it away safe, and all the demons

1269
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 2: turn on Thomas Hayden Church and Terry's character to be.

1270
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 3: The next thing that was really funny was that there

1271
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 3: is a scene of the next Temptation scene is of

1272
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 3: the Kid Billy where he is turned into a violent

1273
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 3: maniac by reading a copy of the Tales from the

1274
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 3: Crypt comic book.

1275
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: I like that because on one hand it does it

1276
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 2: is the idea of like the corrupting comic book, but

1277
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 2: it also made me think. You know, with the adults,

1278
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 2: Billy Zain's character, the Collector, he's like, what if I

1279
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 2: offered you travel? What have I offered you all the

1280
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 2: beautiful women and booze in the world. But for a kid,

1281
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 2: he's like, what if I just literally turned you into

1282
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 2: a bloodthirsty monster? Would you be down for that? And

1283
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 2: the kid's like, yes, yes, I vote yes, Let's do

1284
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 2: exactly that then, And that's what happens, pure honesty.

1285
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 3: I love it now. As the characters, it's the kind

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Speaker 3: of standard thing where in one of these supernatural fortress

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01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 3: siege movies where the characters are continually driven further and

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01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 3: further into retreat, like further back into the bailey or whatever.

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01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 3: And so at this point they end up retreating to

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Speaker 3: the attic, and at each point of retreat there's some

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Speaker 3: kind of battle that goes on, and we get some

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01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 3: chances for characterists to actually be like courageous and be heroes.

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Speaker 3: So Deputy Bob and Irene at one point, like the

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Speaker 3: suicide bomb, a bunch of the demons with a vestimate

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01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 3: out of grenades.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've been watching aliens?

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Speaker 3: Where did they? Yes, they pull Aasquez and it's kind

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Speaker 3: of sweet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it is, and of course Breaker bites it

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01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 2: as well shortly thereafter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he gets maimed. And then of course he's like, oh,

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01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 3: oh they got me, They got me. You got to

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01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 3: become the new Chosen One to Jada Pinkett and she's

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01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 3: like what but she I guess she like catches his

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01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 3: blood I think in the key, and it's just understood

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Speaker 3: that yep, from now on, she's just going to be

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Speaker 3: immortal and carrying this key around. But then then Billy

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Speaker 3: z Ain comes in for one final showdown with with

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Speaker 3: Jada and so, and I got to say, at the

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Speaker 3: beginning of the scene, he's got on sunglasses that make

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Speaker 3: him look like Riddick.

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01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 2: Oh but kind of like ridic.

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01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 3: Yeah wait what kind of ridic.

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Speaker 2: Like pre Ritic? This would the Riddic didn't exist yet, right.

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01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 3: Oh I guess not.

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01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, like maybe Vin Diesel eventually he saw Demon nine.

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Speaker 2: He's like that that's the look I'm going.

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01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 3: To steal exactly. No, I'm not saying they're imitating Ritic.

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01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 3: I'm just saying he does look like him.

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Speaker 2: They look kind of like, yeah, almost like wrap around goggles.

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01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. But there's another temptation scene where I guess he's

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01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 3: trying once again. I think he's trying to convince Jeralene

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01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 3: to marry him. I didn't exactly follow what was going.

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01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was basically it's like, well, I've won at

1325
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 2: this point, I'm going to kill you, but if I

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01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 2: could turn you instead, if I could, you know, if

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01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 2: you marry me, then I'm even more of a success

1328
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 2: back home in the in the hells. So he's like,

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01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna shoot the moon. I'm going for it,

1330
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 2: you know. He's he's feeling on top of it, and

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01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 2: he makes the offer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Billy's saying he is on broiler mode. In

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01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 3: this scene. He is like the energy is electric. And

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01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 3: there's a part where infernal lightning erupts out of his groin.

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01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's explained why he's just been

1336
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 3: like talking and then like lightning shoots out of his crotch.

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Speaker 2: That was in the featurettes. It was mentioned that this

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01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 2: was Zaane's idea for the character, and Dickerson was like,

1339
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 2: let's do it, let's roll with it, let's give it

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01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 2: a shot.

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01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 3: Good choice. Yeah, And then there's a good climax that

1342
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 3: involves Jada Pinkett the whole time that she somehow has

1343
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:31,959
Speaker 3: gotten William Sadler's blood in her mouth, and the whole

1344
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 3: time Billy Zaane's like asking her, well, what do you say?

1345
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 3: He's trying to get her to say something, and she won't.

1346
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 3: And then it's revealed that, oh, she hasn't said anything

1347
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 3: because she still has the blood in her mouth, the

1348
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 3: blood of Christ, I believe somehow.

1349
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, we can go ahead and talk about

1350
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 2: this real quick. The idea is that this key with

1351
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 2: the special glass container portion of it here, they it

1352
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 2: was used to collect the blood of Christ at the crucifixion,

1353
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 2: and it's like the rail myth. Yeah, yeah, and there's

1354
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 2: still a little Jesus blood in there, but it's been

1355
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 2: replenished with other people's blood, especially the blood of the

1356
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 2: chosen Ones, over time. And so I'm not sure how

1357
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 2: the genetics of that works out or if that's important

1358
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 2: for holy blood, you know, hurting demons, but that's apparently

1359
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 2: how it's supposed to.

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01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 3: Work, right, And so she's got this blood in her mouth,

1361
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 3: and what do you know, she spits it all over

1362
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 3: Billy Zane's face and that that defeats him in the end.

1363
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, great melt. He's a great death scene because he

1364
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 2: melts a little bit.

1365
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 3: Then he turns into a puppet.

1366
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 2: He turns into a giant skeletal demon, and then he explodes.

1367
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 2: They just do all the things, like the FX team

1368
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 2: just they had no chill on this film. They're just yeah,

1369
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:41,479
Speaker 2: one hundred miles an hour the whole time.

1370
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 3: And so I guess we're just going to assume that

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01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 3: now Jada Pinkett is going to live for eighty years

1372
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 3: or whatever until eventually she has to find the next

1373
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 3: chosen One to put her blood into so they can

1374
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 3: go on preventing Billy Zain from taking over the world.

1375
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 3: Or I guess it's not Billy Zayne. I think he's destroyed.

1376
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 3: There's just going to be a new collector from Hell

1377
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 3: chasing her around.

1378
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 2: Right, and we see him at the end. Yeah, because

1379
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 2: she gets on a bus and when she gets on

1380
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 2: she does the thing with the blood that's done throughout

1381
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 2: the film where you form a seal that the demons

1382
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 2: cannot cross. And then this other guy that has a

1383
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 2: briefcase for the key, he sees it and he's like, no,

1384
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,719
Speaker 2: I'll wait on the next bus. And so the chase

1385
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 2: continues and it potentially sets up a sequel that we

1386
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 2: never got. But man, I think it would have been good,

1387
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 2: would have been far preferable to Bordello of Blood, which

1388
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 2: was the actual Tales from the Trip film to follow.

1389
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 3: I never saw Bordello of Blood, but I remember a

1390
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:38,679
Speaker 3: when I was in elementary school, a friend of mine

1391
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 3: telling me about how his mom had a copy of

1392
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 3: that movie on VHS, and I was like, I did

1393
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 3: not know what Bordello meant, and I knew nothing of

1394
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 3: Dennis Miller.

1395
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, well, yeah, it definitely has Dennis Miller

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01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 2: in it. I never saw that one. There was even

1397
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 2: a third one that was I think is even less

1398
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 2: worth seeing. I think it may have Tim Curry in it,

1399
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 2: but it's like a New Orleans zombie kind of a thing.

1400
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 3: How could a movie with Tim Curry be not worth seeing.

1401
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. It just doesn't it. I just don't.

1402
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 2: It doesn't call out to me. Maybe other folks have

1403
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 2: seen it and they can tell us how it is.

1404
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 2: But I also understand that like some releases of it

1405
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 2: didn't even have the Cryptkeeper sequences on it. They released

1406
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 2: it as its own thing, and then other versions they

1407
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 2: put the crypt Keeper back on. But it's also not

1408
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 2: really top shelf Cryptkeeper puppetry going on. So it just

1409
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 2: sounds it sounds like it would be sad to watch.

1410
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 2: I'd rather stick with Demon Night and like the really

1411
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 2: great tales from the Crypt episodes. Okay, now, in turn,

1412
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 2: we've already talked to a good bit here about the

1413
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 2: monsters and so forth. I guess it is worth noting

1414
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 2: that we do have holy relics that are at least

1415
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 2: alleged to contain the blood of Christ. I was looking

1416
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 2: around a little bit. There are a couple of relics

1417
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 2: of the Holy Blood. There's one in the Basilica of

1418
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 2: Saint Andrea. There's one that at least was at some

1419
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 2: point in Westminster in England. There's the relic of the

1420
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 2: Precious Blood in Viegotten Abbey in Germany. So the idea

1421
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 2: of this key containing the blood is it does seem

1422
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 2: to be based on actual holy relics that allegedly contain

1423
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 2: holy blood. Yeah.

1424
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 3: I think also this ties into the grail legend, like

1425
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 3: the idea that at the death of Christ that Joseph

1426
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 3: of Aramathea held a grail that caught the blood of

1427
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 3: Jesus stripping from the cross, and that somehow later he

1428
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 3: brought with him like containers of this blood to other places.

1429
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 3: I think like that's part of the local Glastonbury legend

1430
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 3: in Britain.

1431
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:43,759
Speaker 2: Now. I don't know if any of these have actually

1432
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 2: been used against demons though, but perhaps perhaps, Man, there's

1433
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 2: so much they could have done with the sequel though,

1434
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 2: you know, they could have had a thing where all right,

1435
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 2: she's on the run as always, the demons are after

1436
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,520
Speaker 2: but then where does she wind up a genetics laboratory?

1437
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 2: What do they want to do? They want to use

1438
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 2: the precious blood in the key. They want to try

1439
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 2: and clone Jesus or something, and then that becomes a

1440
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 2: whole plot element.

1441
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 3: But then he'd be a mutant because he'd be like

1442
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 3: part Jesus, but then also part William Sadler and part

1443
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 3: Jada Pinkett.

1444
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 2: William Sadler is Jesus Christ in Demon Night two. There's

1445
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 2: still time.

1446
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 3: There's still time, Ernest Dickerson, if you're listening, please make it.

1447
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 3: I will watch it. I will. I will take all

1448
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 3: my friends to see it.

1449
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 2: I will as well. All right, Well, before we close out,

1450
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 2: I just want to I'll mention again that You can

1451
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 2: rent or buy this one digitally most places these days.

1452
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 2: But that twenty fifteen Blu ray release from Shout Factory

1453
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 2: Scream Factory Import is really slick and it's loaded with

1454
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 2: cool content. So if you're a Demon Night fan, that's

1455
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 2: worth picking up.

1456
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:47,719
Speaker 3: If you're a demon Yeah.

1457
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 2: We rented our copy from Video Drum, the last video

1458
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 2: store here in Atlanta, Georgia. So if you live in Atlanta,

1459
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 2: go check out Videodrum. It's great. And if you don't,

1460
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 2: look them up online because you can buy some of

1461
01:11:58,320 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 2: their cool merch.

1462
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they got great T shirts and stuff. Oh

1463
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 3: I was gonna say that the T shirt I'm wearing

1464
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 3: right now is one of theirs. It's not, but it

1465
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 3: could be. It's of their style.

1466
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 2: Oh oh oh, I see it. It says her Zog

1467
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 2: and then it has the Danzig logo.

1468
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 3: Nice Rachel got me this one?

1469
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 2: All right? Well, anything else we need to say about

1470
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 2: Demon Night before we close the crypt down this one?

1471
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 3: I think that wraps it up, but I just say again,

1472
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 3: great fun.

1473
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, as always, we'd love to hear from everyone

1474
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 2: out there. Do you have memories of seeing this when

1475
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 2: it came out? We're discovering it later on. Do you

1476
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 2: have particular episodes of Tales from the Crypt that were

1477
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 2: your favorite, We'd love to hear from you about that

1478
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 2: as well, or just any of the other elements in

1479
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 2: this be it Holy Blood or really cool demons. It's

1480
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 2: all on the table. Dick Miller movies that we should

1481
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 2: add to the list. Let us know. In the meantime,

1482
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 2: if you want to check out other episodes of Weird

1483
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:59,680
Speaker 2: House Cinema, it publishes every Friday in the Stuff to

1484
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 2: Blow Your Mind podcast feed. Also, I try to put

1485
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,639
Speaker 2: up a blog post about the Weird House series at

1486
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 2: Samouda music dot com. That's sem Uta music dot com.

1487
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 2: It's just my own personal blog. We don't have anywhere

1488
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 2: else to put blog type content these days, so I'm

1489
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 2: just slapping it up over there.

1490
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 3: Long. May you slap blogging and slapping huge Thanks as

1491
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 3: always to our excellent audio producer Seth Nicholas Johnson. If

1492
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 3: you would like to get in touch with us with

1493
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 3: feedback on this episode or any other, to suggest a

1494
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,600
Speaker 3: topic for the future, or just to say hello, you

1495
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,640
Speaker 3: can email us at contact at stuff to Blow your

1496
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:42,799
Speaker 3: Mind dot com.

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