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I always 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:53.360 use sharpies, and I have probably three thousand sharpies in 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:55.000 this house because I don't believe in throwing them away 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.680 because they still right well as soon as they lose 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:58.600 the fineness of. 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:01.360 The point get it. That is like one of my 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:03.520 more occulant habits, not. 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.840 Yeah habits, just just kind of yeah, I've used this 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:08.960 sharpie twice, throw it in the trash. It makes me 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:09.400 feel like that. 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.919 Like an arch duke somewhere, man, you can afford it. 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:15.440 Yeah, exactly. I got money for a SHARPI budget, so 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.880 that's your birthday present, So that'd be birthday. I used 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:20.720 three of them, but you have the other twenty one. 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:34.519 This is huge, welcome in. 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:36.760 We are back. What's right with Nick right in the 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:39.639 podcast and YouTube show. A show that's doing quite well 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:42.160 on YouTube, could do a little better on the podcast rankings. 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:44.760 But I thought long and hard over my time on vacation. 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:46.680 I'm not gonna spend any more time asking you guys 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.160 to listen, subscribe, rate, review those things. You guys are 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.320 already here. I appreciate you. We need to bring in 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.200 other people. Those are the people and put a billboard 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:55.440 or something for that. I'm ready to go. We have 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:59.640 so much to do today thanks to this show. The 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:04.000 great Kareem Abdul Jabbar was trending nationally this morning as 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.760 the number one or Monday morning. I should say, when 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:08.399 we're recording this, you guys will hear at her seat 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:11.320 on Tuesday. It's the number one sports topic. But then 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.280 Woj comes in over the top rope. He has stories. 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:17.000 We have so much to do. I had I was 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:21.280 attacked by a cephalopod on vacation, I jumped off a cliff. 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:25.440 We have that. I have some ranting complaining to do. Also, demons, 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:29.680 welcome back. You had last show we did Your baby sister, 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.000 who's no longer baby, eight year old Deanna was in 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:33.799 for you before we get to the show, very quickly 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.960 ten seconds or less. Your review of her performance. 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:39.800 She killed it. She crushed Deanna's a nat like. That's 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:41.920 that's her, that's her nietzche. I think she's going to 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:43.240 be an actor one day. Okay. 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.800 First of all, it warms my her hear say that. 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.640 Second of all, I agree with you on Deanna's future career. 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:55.520 Third of all, correct and proper usage of niche. There, 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:59.600 my guy, my guy. He also had a birthday while 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.240 we were on. Happy twenty fourth birthday to Demanse. Okay, 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:06.800 let's get to what's not on today's show. Not on 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.840 today's show is the chess robot that attacked the child is? 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:13.640 So here's the deal. I need more details. Chess robot's 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.880 playing a kid. Now, the news stories, the clickbait headlines 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.680 are robot grabbed out and broke the kid's finger. That 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:21.800 did happen? What I want to know is Is this 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.440 because the robot was worried the child was beating him? 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:28.320 Or did the robot think the finger was like the 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:30.479 bishop and he was trying to move it. I need 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:32.760 more details there, and I need more details. It means 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:34.760 I probably just needed to read the story. Number two 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.720 better Espe's host Lebron or Steph. We're not going to 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:40.640 get into that because for the seventh consecutive year, I 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.640 did not watch the SP's and number three, no one 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.480 seems to want Russ Jimmy g We're not getting into 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.839 any of that. What are we getting into this morning? Demanse? 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:53.440 You put Michael Jordan at number three on your top fifty. 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:54.560 Yeah, I did. 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.760 You said yourself, Jordan's peak was probably higher than anybody's. 0:04:57.920 --> 0:04:58.200 Yeah. 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.560 Lebron and Kaream were the last two. Yeah. So are 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.760 you basically saying that longevity and consistency are more important 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:05.640 than actually winning. 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:09.280 Okay, So here's what I want to do here, and 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.679 we did some of it on Monday on first things first, 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.040 and we're going to do it here in full without 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.480 me having to deal with the with the gibber jabber 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:21.040 and interruptions from brus Sard and Wilde. Now, that they 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.120 really interrupted me much. But I want to lay out 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:29.520 the full case about Jordan versus Koreem, because I don't 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:31.880 think anyone's shocked that I have Lebron ahead of Jordan. 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.640 They would have been shocked if I didn't have Lebron 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:38.000 ahead of Jordan. What people are shocked by is that 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:42.960 I had the audacity to put Michael Jordan third. So first, 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:47.680 let's just back up and discuss this from a intellectual perspective. 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:55.240 If there is an argument for the greatest ever at 0:05:55.279 --> 0:06:00.839 anything that is a three person argument then so, for instance, 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:04.360 if you are saying, hey, who's the greatest president ever? 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.200 And some people are like, I think it's George Washington 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:08.760 first and the best. Some people are like, I think 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:10.719 it's a blink, and you know, won Civil War, helped 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:13.040 free the slaves. And someone's like, I think it's FDR 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:17.440 dude won four elections, new deal. All that. If it's 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:21.480 a three person race for the goat of anything, then 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:26.400 someone who is somebody's goat is going to come in third. 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:26.720 Right. 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:32.000 That is just accepted, understood, logical. It's a tautology, right, Okay, 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:35.280 So then the question becomes should it be a three 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:42.520 person race well, if in anything we are measuring, one 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:48.599 person has scored more points, or more goals or more touchdowns, anything, 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:51.120 scored more points than anyone in the history of the sport, 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:54.640 has the most league and vps of anyone in the 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:58.920 history of the sport, and has as many championships as 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.000 any as the of the the other goat candidates, that 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:06.640 person would of course be one of the eligible goat candidates. 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:06.919 Correct. 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:12.160 So I just described Kareem now, so Kareem has to 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:15.240 be in the discussion. Lebron has to be in the discussion, 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:17.320 and Michael has to be in the discussion. 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:17.720 Right. 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.840 So this is my wife is right here by the way, 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.920 standing off camera. We can't show her because she's not 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:27.600 camera ready right now. She is so bored with this discussion. 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:29.920 But I'm not gonna let that take away from the 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.880 fact because I'm not bored with discussion. Because while Lebron 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:36.880 versus Jordan has been discussed a lot, Kareem versus any 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.160 of these guys has not been because he is a 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:44.160 forgotten man because when he played, let's be honest, media 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.320 didn't really like him. Why didn't they like him? Well, 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:52.200 seventies weren't necessarily the kindest time to black men who 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:56.400 converted to Islam and were incredibly politically active and spoke 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.520 about racism. And we're a little curmudgeonly with the media, 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.160 so maybe he didn't get the fairest shake in his 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:07.600 own era by the president, and post his basketball career, 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:13.360 we have not celebrated him because he's not the Russell 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:17.480 Wilt era of grainy footage. But the NBA really came 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:21.560 to life with the magic Michael Bird era, of which 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:23.880 he was a part of. But it almost hurts him 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:27.880 because that was Kareem wearing his goggles and in a 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.040 different phase of his career at the very end of it, 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:33.560 as opposed to Kareem kicking ass and taking names at 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:37.679 the beginning of it. And some of this is going 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:42.480 to be explained when we do the Kareem video, whether 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:44.679 he lands at one or two. But I'm going to 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:49.560 explain some of it here about Kareem's basketball life, and 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:55.240 I for our rankings, the pre NBA stuff doesn't technically matter, 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.960 but it could serve as an interesting tiebreaker. So I 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.480 want to tell what is the what do you know, Demanz, 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.440 what's the famous story? And maybe you know what? Maybe 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:06.640 you don't. Sometimes I forget how young you are. But 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:10.120 about Michael Jordan and high school basketball? Do you know it? 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:12.359 Michael Jordan in high school basketball? 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.560 The famous story with Jordan, legendary early is he was 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:16.760 cut from his high school. 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:18.920 Oh yeah, so you know he didn't make he did. 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:21.400 He didn't make his his freshman team. 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.480 What he didn't make varsity as freshman year, which is 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.880 what they have turned into. He was cut, didn't make 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.280 varsity as freshman year. He was cut. It's a little 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:33.040 legend making, but he had to build it. Kaream abdul 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.200 Jabbar went seventy nine and two in high school and 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.120 had a seventy one game winning streak and won three 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.520 New York state titles. That was cream in high school. 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.520 What do you know about Michael Jordan's college career. He 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:46.000 was a really good player who was freshman year, hit 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:49.200 a shot to win the national championship, won Player of 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:51.440 the Year one time, and was the third pick of 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:55.440 his draft. Dream Abdul Jabbar played three years of college 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:57.360 basketball because back then you weren't allowed to play as 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:00.400 a freshman. In those three years, his team went eighty 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:04.280 eight and two. All three years, he was player of 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:08.199 the year. All three years he won the national championship. 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.080 All three years he was most outstanding player of the 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:14.160 final four. He lost twice in college. One came in 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.120 a game where he got hurt but played through it 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.200 and they lost by two. The other came in a 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.839 game where it was pre shot clock and the other 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:25.000 team stalled this entire second half and it was I 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.760 think UCLA only scored ten points. So he's eighty eight 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:31.679 two in college. Again, there's just college and then so 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:36.120 what about his freshman year. His freshman year, UCLA's varsity team, 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:39.280 which he wasn't allowed to play for, won the national championship. 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.480 The freshman team at UCLA beat the varsity team because 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:46.080 of Kareem when they played each other in a scrimmage 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.720 on campus. They were twenty and er. They also changed 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:51.320 the rules and outlawed dunking during Kareem's college career because 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:51.920 he was too good. 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.200 That's insane, Okay, So that's in college. 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.200 In the pros, though, which is what the league is 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.800 based on or the list is based on. Michael Jordan 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:03.200 was drafted to a twenty seven week when crummy Chicago 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:06.040 Bulls team his rookie year, he led them to thirty 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:08.280 eight wins. They were thirty eight and forty four and 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.160 made the playoffs. Kareem, oddly enough, was drafted to a 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:14.400 twenty seven win Milwaukee Bucks team, same as Michael Jordan. 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:19.040 They won fifty six games his rookie year and won 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:22.720 a round of the playoffs. Michael's second year, he was 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:27.440 swept in round one by the Boston Celtics. Kareem's second year, 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.600 they won sixty six games. They went twelve to two 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:35.120 in the playoffs. He won League MVP. He won finals 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:39.360 in teams. That's the beginnings of their career, the ends 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:43.120 of their career. Michael Jordan, it is legendary now, King 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.280 not so. He had Oscar Robertson for not his rookie year, 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.000 but that second year. That is true, That is absolutely true. 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:55.559 What is also true is Oscar played four years with Kareem. 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.720 Only two of those years did he average even fifteen 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.960 points per game. It was a different player. One year 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.520 in the finals, Oscar averaged nine points per game. Oscar 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:07.600 was a different player at that point in his career. 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:10.160 Oscar is an all time great. It's and that you 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.360 know what, that's a fair It's a fair take. Kareem 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.800 at Oscar and then he had magic. I get that, 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.240 and we'll get to that in full in a moment. 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.160 Now let's go to the end of the career. Michael 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.680 Jordan at thirty eight years old, came back to basketball 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.840 and helped the Washington Wizards win thirty seven games and 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:30.880 he averaged twenty two points perham. There's thirty eight. Kareem 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:33.400 abdul Jabbar at thirty eight years old, one finals MVP. 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.319 Michael Jordan at forty years old averaged twenty points per 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.600 game for a thirty seven win Washington Wizards team. Kareem 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:46.040 Abdul Jabbar at forty years old averaged twenty two twenty 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:50.000 two points per game in the finals to win the championship. 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:54.160 He had the most unsopable shot in the history of basketball, 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:58.880 the skyhook. And on top of all of that, and 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:00.880 at one last piece and then we can move on. 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:06.000 Michael Jordan played fifteen seasons in the league if you 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:08.320 as far as where he only played like played at 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.880 least parts of him. But one of those was the 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.040 ninety five season where he only played the very tail 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.280 end because he's come back from baseball. So Michael Jordan 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:19.120 played fourteen full seasons in the league. Kaream up dul 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:24.080 Jabbar had fifteen seasons where he was top five in 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:28.280 MVP voting. He had fifteen seasons where he was first 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:31.520 or second team All NBA. And Kaream up dul Jabbar 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:36.920 at forty one years old, Game six of the NBA Finals, 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:41.320 ten seconds left down one? Who did the Lakers draw 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.800 the play up for the captain Kareem ub dul Jabbar. 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:46.840 So I say all that to any what did he do? 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.640 He got fouled, kind of a phantom falcohol, made both 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:51.520 three throws, then they won Game seven. That was the 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:53.800 Isaiah Thomas brain ankle game. I say, aw, that's say 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:57.240 this put some goddamn respect on the captain's name. 0:13:57.360 --> 0:13:58.720 Compelling argument there. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:01.680 In high school is better in college? Who's better as 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:03.720 young players? Better as an old player? Oh? In the 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:08.520 winning thing? One last point, the Lebron versus Michael thinks tough. 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.560 Lebron's that four rings, Michael's got six. But I would 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:16.439 ask you this, America. I present to you two Olympians. 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:21.560 One has six gold medals and zero silver medals. The 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.960 other guy has six gold medals and four silver medals. 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.960 Who was the better Olympian. Everyone would say, uh, the 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:33.160 guy with six golds and four silvers, that's Kareem. Michael 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:40.680 has six championships and six finals. Kareem has six championships 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:48.520 and four other finals appearances. So folks can again. Michael 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:50.920 Jordan I did forty five minutes of love to him, 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:53.640 has a compelling case that he's the greatest player ever. 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:55.520 So does Kareem abdul Jabbar. 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:58.720 Go ahead, I wish I could have. I've got to 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:00.600 watch some Kareem highlights at this point. 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.160 Listen, they're not that exciting. He's just doing the goddamn 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:09.440 skyhook again and again and again and again. But if 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:12.840 you had a boxer and it's like, eh, he just 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.400 does the jab, It's like, well, no one's ever beaten him, 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.080 and he lands it. Oh, one other cream fact and 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:24.720 then we'll move on. Okay, Okay, I'm thirty seven years old. 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:25.240 Yeah. 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:31.360 Kaream abdul Jabbar set broke Wi Chamberlain's record for most 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:35.240 points scored in NBA history before I was born. He 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:40.160 still holds it. He still holds it. April of eighty four, 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.200 cream sat there. I have not lived a day of 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:44.560 my life where kaream up, little Jabbar was not the 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:48.720 NBA's all time leading score. Those things seem to matter. 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:50.800 Now we can move on. 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.800 Okay, Uh, you don't think that that has anything to 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.040 do with out all right, go ahead, No, go ahead me, 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:58.880 it's I don't like to go to the whole era 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:01.600 of basketball. I think Kareem would have dominated. 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:05.160 The way that he did and in today's era, well, 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:08.560 we're gonna talk about that with Draymond later. With the 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:12.320 fair knock on the Kareem seventies era of domination is 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.760 there was a there was a competing league in the ABA, 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.520 and a lot of the great players of the basketball 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:21.360 players were playing in the ABA, Right, that's the fair point. 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:25.360 Would Kareem have been able to kick ass in any era? 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:26.360 Yes? 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:31.120 In today's zero, is it possible Kareem would have been 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:36.280 better because not as many teams have centers. Yes, that's 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:40.400 Skyhook's not getting blockable, Like there's no there's no blocking it. 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:43.880 We'll do more when we do the Kareem uh, whether 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:47.080 he's first or second on the ranking show. But because 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:50.480 of Demons's constant interruptions there, we might have to go 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:52.520 a little late here on the Boston. 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:55.440 Exactly do it? 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:57.880 Well, let's put out an interesting tweet at two thirty 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.600 am on Monday, yeah Uh says that the Celtics are 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.360 now a team that are interested in Kevin Durant, Jalen 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:07.080 Brown and Derek White were reportedly offered. Yep. So are 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:10.240 you surprised that the Celtics offered this or more surprised 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:11.240 that the Nets didn't take it? 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.320 Okay? So WOJ had the original story and then Shams 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:18.920 followed it up with that the Celtics offered Jalen Brown 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:20.760 Derek White in a first round pick and that the 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:25.600 Nets countered with Jalen Brown, Marcus Smart, another player, and 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:30.040 multiple picks. I'm actually more interested in your take on 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.520 this than mine. You're the Celtics fan, yep. Do you 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:38.919 want them to trade Jalen Brown and stuff? Here's the 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.600 trade I came up with, because what's the halfway between 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:47.879 Derek White and Marcus Smart? Time lord, Tredeye, Here's what 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:51.720 I came up with. Jalen Brown, time lord, A couple 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:55.640 first round picks for Kevin Durant. You are running the Celtics. 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:59.560 They are your team, Tatum, Jalen Brown and KD No. 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:02.560 No, no, don't keep Jaalen, you keep Smart, Tatum and Katie. 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:06.120 You're trading Jalen Brown House to be Jalen Brown Time 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:07.840 Lord in a couple first round picks for Kevin Durant. 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:08.800 Would you do it? 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:15.840 Uh, that's tough, man, I mean because obviously Robert Williams 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:18.560 has he's he's young, he's got a long time ago. 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:23.480 But it's good. Okay. So Jaalen Brown, Marcus Smart and 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:25.239 a couple of picks for Katie. Would you do that? 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:27.080 You give a soft spot in your heart for Time 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:30.119 Lord what the Nets reportedly wanted. 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:32.439 Yes, what would you do? I'm I'm down for that. 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:34.800 I don't think you include Robert Williams just because Al 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:37.119 Horford's getting older. I feel like you can work around 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:40.600 the building up some other young guys or getting some 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:41.200 other guys. 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:42.879 And they just got they just added Malcolm Brocken and 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.800 free agency. So so you would do Jail and Marcus 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:48.919 Smart for Kevin Durant, by the way, I think most 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:50.840 people would. I'm not saying, I'm just asking you as 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:51.320 a Celtics. 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.840 Oh yeah, no, I don't care if anybody backs on me. Yeah, yeah, okay, 0:18:54.920 --> 0:19:00.400 let me ask different questions. Would you do keep everyone. 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:09.840 On the team Tatum for Durant, one for one. No, okay, 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.120 So everyone agrees with you on that. The Nets aren't 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:14.760 even asking for Tatum because they think he's untouchable. I 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:17.960 agree with you on that. Here is the counter argument 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:21.520 to my own point there. Okay, okay, the reason you 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:23.560 don't think Tatum is better than Durant. 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:27.959 No, no, but I think that's he's close that that 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:28.800 could happen. 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:32.080 In twenty four, right, it could happen, but otherwise he's 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:36.560 twenty four. Here's what I think NBA teams need to 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:44.880 start recognizing how valuable are young player's future when there 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:48.480 is no guarantee in today's NBA whatsoever that that future 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.280 is spent with you. So Tatum's got three years left 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.359 on his deal, and that's assuming guys don't demand a 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:57.200 trade early. So everyone's talking about a Tatum's ten years 0:19:57.200 --> 0:19:59.760 younger than Durrant. He is, But if he only has 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:01.959 three left on his deal, who's gonna be better over 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:05.840 the next three years, Tatum or Durant. That's an interesting discussion. Yeah, 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:08.480 And if Tatum, who's to say Tatum's going to be 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:10.520 a lifelong Celtic. I don't know the answer to that. 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:15.160 I also don't know this. How does Jalen Brown react 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:17.159 because the Tatum stuff is just a figmum of my 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:20.520 own imagination. Is an interesting thought exercise. How does it 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:25.479 land on Jalen Brown's doorstep that he is once again 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:29.160 a part of trade rumors? They draft him, he improves, 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:32.280 he improves, helps lead him to a conference finals, then 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:35.280 helps lead them to NBA finals. Is a perfect citizen 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.280 on and off the court, and once again they're trying 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:41.359 to trade him. They've offered it and that's our time. 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:43.560 But again and we only did two topics, but it's fine. 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:44.920 We're back from vacation. We got a lot to do. 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:50.200 How does that screw things up for them chemistry wise? 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:53.119 I think that's a real concern. And I think at 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:56.439 this point, like if you're this is one of the 0:20:56.440 --> 0:21:00.159 reasons demant say. I never bag on the players for 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:02.959 looking around being like ah, I know I'm under contract, 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:05.159 don't like it here, want to change scenery. I know 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:07.760 everyone's like ah, the old timers, they'd stick it out. 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:11.200 And it's not always true. But whatever teams, it does 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:14.440 not matter if you do everything exactly the way they want, 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:19.600 do everything right. The moment someone a little bit better 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:21.679 comes around, they will offer you up. 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:22.200 Yep. 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:25.879 And so the Celtics. I'm sure the Celtics did not 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:29.960 want this leaked. And now if you're if you're Brooklyn, 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:34.320 a little more leverage comes your way because this harmony 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:39.679 good feelings for Boston. It's soured a bit by the 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.400 fact that your second best guy, the guy who tweeted 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:44.879 the energy's about to change and then you go on 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:48.640 this magical run. It's like none, no, no, we would 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:49.000 trade you. 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:49.879