WEBVTT - Hour 3 - Aaron Donald Retirement?, Robert Horry 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.560 You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:06.960 Sports Radio. This is the final hour of the show 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:09.560 this Tuesday, Dan and The Dan Ns Dan Patrick Show. 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:12.319 Since we weren't here yesterday, we're taking phone calls best 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:14.880 and worst to the weekend. What you saw that you liked, 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:18.240 you didn't like. If you missed Charles Barkley, you can 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.160 always listen again on the podcast. Go to Dan Patrick 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:24.520 dot com for that and coming up, Big Shot Bob 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.200 Robert ory the Lakers end List get his thoughts on 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.680 the new head coach. I did wonder the timing of this. 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:33.000 I don't know if this is how the Lakers planned it, 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:36.480 but late Friday afternoon, early evening, and all of a sudden, 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.440 it's like, and the Lakers have hired Darvinham. I'm like, 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:41.800 if you wanted to hide this, you did a really 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:46.320 good job. Memorial Day weekend. Anytime there's a news dump 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:49.280 is what we call it in the business. Friday after 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:52.960 five o'clock at shoosy, you're trying to have something go away. 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:57.120 Lebron was very excited about the hiring of Darvenham. But 0:00:58.000 --> 0:00:59.840 it'll be tough for rookie head coach to come in 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:03.360 and say Um, hey, we had an experience coach Frank 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:06.360 Vogel who won a title and he couldn't figure out 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:08.679 what to do with Russell Westbrook. Why don't you do it? 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:13.200 Darvin good Luck? Yeah, Marv. Do you think the Lakers 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:15.440 were just trying to just, you know, just slide on, 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:16.920 you know, get it under the rug, you know what, 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:19.880 let's not make any big waves. I think it's like 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:23.120 Lebron like as he got further and further along, it 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.080 went from the decision to a tweet, to an article 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.600 with Lee Jenkins to just a facts like I'm going 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:30.520 to the Lakers just you know what, let's just keep 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.200 it under I don't know, it feels like whenever you 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:35.920 hire somebody, you should be shouting from the mountaintops of 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.840 here's our new head coach. I think they probably ran 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.959 into a situation that they didn't think was possible. That 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:45.160 you might have had some people who didn't want to 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:49.680 coach the Lakers, because you know, normally, when you offer 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:51.960 the job to somebody like, you don't want to get 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.040 turned down. You know, you want to make sure that 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.240 if I off of the job, then we're going to 0:01:56.320 --> 0:02:00.400 make sure it's like early decision in college. Hey, we're 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:02.600 gonna We're gonna admit you, but you got to make 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:06.440 sure you come here. Okay. It felt like, hey, can 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.480 we get Doc Rivers? Is he interested? Quinn Snyder interested? 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:16.720 And we interstom Terry Stotts M okay, Darvin Ham is 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:19.200 our new head coach. I'm like, okay, I'm glad he 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.400 got a chance. It was just it was one of 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:26.040 those kind of passing bottom line things that woe Chad 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:32.680 and I went wow. That was kept quiet and really quiet, 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:35.400 too quiet for me. Eight seven seven three d P 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.160 Show email address DP at Dan Patrick dot com, Twitter 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:40.280 handle the DP Show. We say good morning to those 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:44.000 of you watching on Peacock. You can download the app. 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:47.359 You can watch for free all three hours. Aaron Donald 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:51.080 says he's at peace with his career if he doesn't 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:55.480 get a new deal. Just turned thirty one, and he 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:58.680 says that he could walk away. He's played eight years, 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.160 says he can walk away. He was on the uh 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:07.480 I Am Athlete podcast with Brandon Marshall, but he says 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.919 he's at peace. And uh, here's Aaron Donald about talking 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:16.040 about retirement before this year's Super Bowl. Me talking about retirement. 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:17.440 That was happening to be wait before we want a 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:18.800 super Bowl. I've been saying that since I got into 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:20.560 the league. I's gonna play eight years and be done. 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.360 I just, you know, that's just what I've been saying. 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:25.600 It just it just came out down. Everybody think that, 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:27.720 you know, Oh, he's saying if he win the Super Bowl, 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.720 even retire me. I've been talking. I got teammates, coaches, 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:32.840 my family know about this, and I said, I'm gonna 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.040 play eight years and I'll probably be done playing football. 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.280 But winning the Super Bowl you got kind of get 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:39.040 a little addicted to him. I want to show that 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.160 again though I ain't gonna lie. That's like that experience 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:44.200 is like no, none of them. So if if I 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.119 was to play it just to win another super Bowl. 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:47.560 But at the end of the day, it's still a business, 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:49.200 and it got to make sense to me and my family, 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.800 all right. He also talked about it's not about the money. 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:55.560 It ain't about the money. It's a business at the 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:57.480 end of the day. That's that's what you gotta see. 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.240 So it's about win for me, it's about winning. If 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.640 I don't want to play football, if I can't win anyway, 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:06.120 So I feel like, if if it were lying and 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.840 I gotta like a real opportunity to win another super Bowl, 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:10.920 then it makes sense to play. But again, it's still 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:12.760 a business. We got to handle the business side of things, 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.320 and if if that wasn't to get handled, then you know, 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:17.640 it is what it is type situation. I will be 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:22.680 fine regardless. Wait, it is about the money. He waiting 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:26.640 play that again, it doesn't make any sense. It ain't 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:28.160 about the money. It's a business at the end of 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:30.680 the day. That's that's what you gotta see. So it's 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.120 about win. For me, it's about winning. If I don't 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.279 want to play football, if I can't win anyway. So 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:38.680 I feel like, if if it were lying and I 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.200 gotta like a real opportunity to win another super Bowl, 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.320 then it makes sense to play. But again, it's still 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:45.159 a business. We got to handle the business side of things, 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.720 and if if that wasn't to get handled, then you know, 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.039 it is what it is. Type of situation. I would 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:53.160 be fine regardless. Okay, So it is about the money. 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.560 Whenever anybody says it's not about the money, it's about 0:04:55.560 --> 0:05:00.200 the money, because hey, I'm fine walking away, but if 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.040 I'm gonna play again, I want to win, Bob, we 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.599 gotta handle the business side of this. I'm assuming that 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:08.239 means money. Contract. He's scheduled to make fourteen a little 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:11.880 over fourteen million dollars. He would be the one hundred 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:16.520 and second highest ranked paid player in the NFL. His 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:20.800 average of twenty two point five ranks twenty seventh. Right now, 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.720 I'm gonna guess he'd like a new contract. Get let's 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.159 take care of the business, and then we're gonna play 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.240 football again. Yeah, play all right. Here's the thing. You're 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:33.400 the general manager who selected him. You're the general manager 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.080 who runs the Rams. You won. You got Aaron Donald, 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:39.120 first ballot Hall of Fame, eight years. It was a 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.359 perfect draft pick. I think he was mid first round. 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.800 He never really really got paid. And now he's a 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:46.640 guy who said I wanted to play eight years. I'm 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:50.320 thinking about retirement. Maybe deep down the Rams say to themselves, oh, okay, 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:52.520 maybe maybe he'll do the favorite for us. He's the 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.680 football version of Albert Poohles. Yeah, but imagine if Albert 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:58.359 said I wanted to play eight Albert had never said that. 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:00.720 This guy's sang it publicly. Now, the Rams, if they 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:03.040 wanted to move on and have money for a lot 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:06.479 of different stuff. They have an opening where, hey, we 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:08.240 offered him a nice contract. Of course we want him 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:10.760 to play. But a thirty one year old defensive tackle 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:14.040 has how many great years left? Great years? And you're 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:17.040 paying him full boat if you signed his contract demands Yeah, 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.440 because he's gonna go I want to get paid. I'm 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.080 going to guess at least twenty five million a year 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:27.679 he's gonna I'm gonna guess here. Let's say Aaron Donald 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.599 wants to play four more years, willing to play four 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:34.200 more years. That'd be he'll be thirty five, So four 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:38.880 more years. He's probably going to say four years, one 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:44.359 hundred million dollars, all guaranteed. If you're the Rams, do 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.920 you want that? Now? You got him under contract, but 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:50.880 you know you gotta make everybody happy, keep him happy. 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.520 And and this has sort of been simmering there since 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:56.880 the Super Bowl when Rodney Harrison did the interview with 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:01.600 Aaron Donald, you won your Super Bowl. I'm good a 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:04.000 guess by all accounts, he's a Hall of Famer right now. 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:09.000 But you've got a chance at let's say a hundred 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.240 million dollars, you're not going to turn that down. The 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.080 question is do the Rams want to offer him that 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:22.400 is there somewhere in between? How about three years, three 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:30.040 years at sixty five seventy million, maybe seventy five, three years, 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:35.760 seventy five, all seventy five guaranteed good. Good. Now we 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:37.960 took care of the business. Now let's play football game, 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:43.560 because you're still on a very good team obviously, But 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:47.559 I don't know what that money does to the salary cap, 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:49.800 what you can do, what kind of flexibility do you 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.720 have there? Yeah, and you feel like the Rams are 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.880 going to be a competitive team this season coming up, right, 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:59.960 So if the competitiveness part has already taken care of, 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:03.200 then yeah, maybe we are just looking at a little 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.560 bit more money if that's something you're gonna need to 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:10.320 entice Aaron back. I think it's all about us. It's 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:12.360 all about the money. If it's not about the money, 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:18.320 then retire. I mean it'd be pretty simple. But at 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:23.120 fourteen million dollars, the Rams have a bargain. Yeah, the 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:25.440 tough fire about the Rams. It's not like Aaron Donalds 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:27.680 is cooled off. He had a sack off in the 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.480 Super Bowl. Basically, rarely does a player get the sack 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.679 that wins the game. He was all over Olivery Borough. 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.240 I mean, he had nine quarterback hits in four playoff games. 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.520 He's not cooling off, Which that's a real tough one 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:41.880 not to bring back because the perception is that he 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:45.800 is our guy. Yeah, but he's gonna want to get 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:50.800 paid what t J wants getting paid, even though he's older, 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.640 He's gonna want to get paid. Question is you're gonna 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:58.320 be able to afford that? And if you, you know, 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.520 star players have to understand, Okay, if I get all mine, 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:03.920 if I get the bag, as we like to say, 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:08.440 then can we resign Odell Beckham? Can we resign some 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.360 of these other players? Can we go out and get players? 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.440 Then you're taking away from the bottom line of I 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.079 want us to be competitive play for another Super Bowl. 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.600 You might not be able to because you got paid. 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.800 And this is what happens in the NFL where you 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:27.120 got players who get their money. And then what's that 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:32.000 mean for the rest of the roster. Yeah, offer Aaron 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:35.040 Donald two million dollars per sack. Every sack you get, 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:36.640 we will give you two million dollars. End the season, 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.839 you get fifteen sacks, you get thirty million everybody wins. 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.599 You've bet thirty million dollars for fifteen sacks. If you 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:49.520 get nine, you get eighteen. Everybody wins better before Aaron Donald, 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:51.800 I think average is about fifteen sacks a year. I 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.760 think you did twelve and a half last year. That'd 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:59.960 be kind of fun. Yeah, yeah, more not for his agent. 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:05.120 That wouldn't go over well his age. But you know what, 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:09.760 athletes never give back, Like if you overperform, you outperform 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:11.440 your contract and you're like, hey, I'd like to get 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:14.240 some more money. It's when you don't and then you go, 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:16.200 h hey, we'd like to get money and it never 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:20.720 happens that way. Teams never get money back, but players 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:25.800 always go, hey, I outperform a contract here. Yeah. See, yeah, 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.280 I can't tell which is which is the better side 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.400 of that. Do you pay for past performance or the 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:36.160 future possibilities because it's all it's always one or the other. Yeah, well, 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:39.400 you pay off the past a little bit because you 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.600 know that that could be an indication of what you're 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:44.720 going to get in the future. Like he's been great. 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:48.280 We hope he's going to continue to be great. Like 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.000 Tyree Hill got paid because we saw him be great. 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.240 With Kansas City. You hope, you better hope he's going 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:56.600 to be great the next do you see where Tyreek 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:00.720 hill said that Tua throws the purest ball, prettiest ball, 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:04.920 And I'm going, did he just play a Patrick Mahomes? Yeah, 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:09.480 you know that's one of those that Hey, if we 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.520 pay you this, will you say nice things about two? 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:14.720 Hey Towah, he throws the prettiest ball I've ever seen. 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.599 I'm waiting for when Tyreek hill Is can call a 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:20.960 fair catch with some of those passes during a game. 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.400 Then he gets blown up like he's just waiting for 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.439 that ball as it floats up there. Yeah, poet back 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.520 Aaron Donald for a second that if two million dollars 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.079 per sack in his career, he's made ninety eight million 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.559 dollars and he has ninety eight career sacks, so he's 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:35.640 being paid. He's been paid a million dollars per sack 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:39.400 up to this point hypothetically, So imagine if he would 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.960 have taken that deal three years ago, he would have 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:45.960 made way more money by taking two million a sack. Yeah. 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.640 I do find it amazing that we keep looking for 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:54.000 certain players or the next type of player as an 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:59.240 edge rusher, a quarterback. You know, we're looking for the 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:03.400 next Ailes Garrett. We're looking for the next Bosa, t 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.600 J Watt. I have not heard one team go we're 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:10.280 looking for the next Aaron Donald. He's one of one. 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:15.280 There's nobody who's liking There's a lot of defensive tackles, 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:19.960 nose tackles. There's Aaron Donald. That's it. A lot of 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:23.359 edge rushers, a lot of quarterbacks, a lot of wide receivers. 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:31.240 There's one Aaron Donald. It's amazing to get twenty sacks 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:36.319 as a defensive tackle. Everybody knows where you are, Like, 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.679 you can't go, where's he lining up? No, he's right there. 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.040 And it's not like where you go gotta protect the blindside, No, 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:49.120 it's he's right there, always double teamed always. Yeah. See, 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.520 because you can't say, you know, who is the next 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.400 Aaron Donald's like, who is the next undersized defensive tackle 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.760 that we are really clamoring for it? You know what 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:01.120 I mean? It just doesn't makes sense. Who's the really 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:04.040 slow running back that we want? You know, it doesn't No, No, 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:10.640 I know, but it is amazing. You know that edge rusher. Oh, 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:12.600 he got off the ball so quickly. Got around the 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:15.520 tackle and then he gets the sack Aaron Donald and 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.040 can't get off to the ball quickly. There's still two 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:22.240 guys right there right away immediately, you know, because an 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:24.920 edge rusher sometimes nobody's gonna hit him coming off the 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:28.160 line of scrimmage. Aaron Donald. They hit him right in 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:32.360 every single play and he disrupts everything. It's like Warren 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:36.280 Sap up the middle. That's the quarterback's worst night there 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.520 because it's now you make him go right or left. 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:43.120 Where's the edge rusher? Okay, I see him, I step 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:45.400 up in the pocket. You got the guy coming up 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.320 the middle. Now it's different, and there have been a 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:55.080 handful of these players in history, but he him Hall 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:59.400 of Famer after eight years. Was it three Defensive Players 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:02.480 of the Year awards, Yeah, Paul, Yeah, he's been. After 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:04.880 his rookie year he was Defensive Rookie of the Year 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.040 and made the Pro Ball. Since then, he's been first 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:10.160 team All Pro every year. His worst finish his fifth 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.920 or Defensive Player of the Year. Yeah, it's very much 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.000 like I know. It's not a sexy of a name 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.679 of Quintin Nelson of the Colts. Quinn Nelson is having 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.440 that type of career where pro ball all pro right 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.080 off the snap. And I still go back to the 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:26.200 conversation I have with his source going into the draft. 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:27.600 He goes, you know who the best player in the 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:32.880 draft is NFL scout. I said, Oh, he goes Quentin Neilson. 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.400 I said, believe it, a guard is the best. He 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.280 says he's gonna be a Hall of Famer. And I go, 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.080 and I think he went fifth to the Colts. But 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:43.920 imagine that the best player is not going to be 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:47.280 taking number one or two or three, and Quinton Nilson 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:49.120 is probably going to be a Hall of Famer when 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.560 it's all said and done. 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Check out bet online for up 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.920 to date lines on the NBA Finals Finals, MVP Finals, 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:17.080 prop bets, and you can get that for each and 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.160 every game. Robert, good to have you back on. I 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:23.440 know that you have a nickname, Big Shot Bob. Is 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:27.200 there a shot that you didn't make that still haunts 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:30.000 you to this day? Oh? Yes, man, it's a shot 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:34.080 that cost me six million dollars if I make this 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:37.640 shot and my last year as a Laker in the playoffs, 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:42.480 we indeed we planned the Spurs in San Antonio. I 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.240 had an awful playoffs. I'm not gonna lie I shot 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:47.640 the ball. I think I was like three ft thirty 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.280 nine from three or something. I was. I was terrible, 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:54.400 and we were in San Antonio, India building. Kobe Drives 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.600 kicks it to me. I missed that three, so we 0:16:57.720 --> 0:16:59.840 go down three two in this series, we go home, 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.000 would lose that game and the Lakers, don't you know, 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:05.000 resign me next year, and that would have been my 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.840 big year out of made six million dollars that yesterday. 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:12.240 That shot cost you a lot of money. Give me 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.000 your thought on the mindset of Jimmy Butler. I know 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.320 you're a better three point shooter than Jimmy, but the 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:21.320 mindset of wanting the ball in that situation game on 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:25.480 the line, down two and he takes the three point shot, 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:27.960 even though he's not a good three point shooter. You know, 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:29.439 if you have to look at the way a guy's 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.159 playing a game, and Jimmy was rolling, you look at 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:35.119 him at the previous game. He was rolling, and for me, 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:37.320 when you have your superstar, a guy who's a heart 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:40.719 and soul of your team in your building. I'll let 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:43.000 him take that shot anytime. I think. The only thing 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:44.920 I would have changed I would have told him to 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:46.919 slow down a little bit, because in my mind he 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.679 was going a little too fast. Slow down, you know, 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:52.000 gather yourself a little better and take that shot. Because 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.199 if you look at the shot, everything was on line, 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:58.159 the form was good, but he came up short. And 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.920 I don't know if that's because head him take any 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:02.840 time out. So he didn't have you know, he played 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:04.920 the entire game, and I don't know if that little 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.880 fatigue because if you look at his legs, his lower 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:10.800 bat was good, but his arm was a little as short. 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:12.760 He didn't extend as much as he should have. So 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:14.919 I give him that shot any day at a week. Then, 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:17.280 But how do you do it where you slow it 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:19.600 down in a moment where you feel like you have 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:22.000 to speed up because the game is on the line 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.400 and the ball is reversed to you. But in your 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:29.360 mind you gotta kind of gather But we think get 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.439 the shot off. You know, it's it's a it's a 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:34.640 mental thing. And I think when you watch a lot 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.479 of guys who make big shots, like you know, Steph Lebron, 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.479 they don't worry about the time. They do their form. 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:43.720 You go through your normal routine and you shoot the ball. 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:46.880 Because if you're thinking time, you're gonna shoot the ball 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.080 in a rush, are you gonna do something that's out 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:52.200 of ordinary for your shot? And I think with Jimmy, 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:55.560 even though that was not his ordinary shot, if you 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.560 really break it down frame by frame, you can point 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.000 out two major mistakes he on that shot. For me, 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:03.520 I don't I don't worry about I don't think. And 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:05.760 that's the biggest key. You can't think when you're great 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:07.719 to take a shot down the stretch like that, because 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:10.879 you know, we do this motion a million times in 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:12.960 a week. It's shooting the ball so many times, so 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:15.840 you know it should it should become you know a 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.560 part of you. Well, I watch, you know when Ray 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.560 Allen hit that shot with the Miami Heat against the Spurs, 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.639 like stepping back, like knowing where you are on the 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:27.920 floor to step back and not step out of bounds 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:31.560 or not step on the line, understanding where you are 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.240 on the court. I mean, that's what makes that shot 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:38.200 so crazy. Yes, it's in traffic, game on the line, gather, 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:42.080 step back, and then know that you're in the position 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:44.800 you're gonna win the game. That's why he was the 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:46.879 number one three point two for a long time to 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:50.480 step fast because his awareness, his ability to understand where 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:52.679 he is on the court. And that's why those lines, 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:55.120 the hash marks and everything on the court. And think 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:57.919 about it. Ray knows how long the length of his 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.639 step is. He knows that he knows what that line is. 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:03.280 And that's his awareness and the IQ of players and 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:05.480 we don't talk about that sense of guys you know 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:08.960 almost knowing, you know the shape of the floor. I 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.199 mean it steps just needs you to get back. And 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:13.679 these guys are able to step back and take these shots, 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:15.720 you know, not even looking down. You know they don't 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:18.199 know exactly where on the court by the angles and 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:20.439 the measure the measurements on the floor. So you know 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.600 that shot, that reality may was incredible. Also you want 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:25.240 to you want to go back and look at some 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:29.120 other guys who was like Reshived Wilens and everybody having 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:31.800 a foot almost stepping out of bounds. If you go 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.399 back and if you look at that shot that the 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:36.320 Miami HEATLA I can't think of the name of the 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:38.840 three point shoot. I think that was a good three. 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:42.000 I think his football was above the line and he 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:44.280 didn't step on the line. It's the shadow that was 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:46.280 on the line. So you know, we can debate that 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:48.000 for years. We're gonna have to have one of those 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:50.479 cameras like the football players have, you know, the end 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:52.760 zone camera where you can see down the line as 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:55.119 if his foot was really on the line out of 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:59.720 gave him the three. It's truce. Yeah, we're talking to 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:03.720 Robert Ore the Lakers analysts. Your thoughts on bringing in 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:07.200