WEBVTT - 032324 Israel's Response in Gaza with Suzanne Aslam (Part 2) 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.400 Keep on riding with us as we continue to broadcast 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:04.840 the balance and defend the discourse from these hip hop 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:07.080 weekly studios. Welcome back to Civic e Scipher. I am 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:08.039 your host, Rams's Jah. 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:10.880 He is Rams's Jah. I am q Ward. You are 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:16.200 either still listening to or just tuning in to Civic Cypher. 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:20.200 Either way, we appreciate you. We are having a big 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:21.919 old time. Today we have a good friend of the 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:24.520 show back with us to clear up some things for 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.160 those that missed it. Last week we had a conversation 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:29.680 with a friend of the show, his name is Ami Horowitz, 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:38.600 giving us an update on the Israeli perspective with respect 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:42.120 to the Israel Hamas war. And today we have the 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:44.760 two Punch the other shoe drops. We have Suzanne Oslin 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:48.560 who is a human rights major, former Miss arab USA actress, 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:52.040 and an activist turned writer. You can follow her on 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:55.280 social media at the Activist and she is here to 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.000 respond and to answer some other questions. Clear up a 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:00.960 few things. So before we get back to that conversation. 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.560 First up, it's time to be a b a discussed 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:08.120 becoming a better ally Blaba. Today's Bobba sponsored by Friends 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:09.319 of the movement. You can sign up for the free 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.720 voter wallet from fotmglobal dot com. Support black businesses and 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:17.199 allied businesses. Again, that's FOTM Global dot com. And today 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:19.040 I'm going to share a bit from the Daily Bruin. 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:22.200 You know, it's from college kids that are getting out 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:24.120 there and getting busy. So shout out to these guys, 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.119 all right, shout out to the youth. So a move 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.440 by the Undergraduate Students Association Council to vote on a 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:34.959 resolution endorsing the Boycott, divest and sanctions movement against Israel 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:39.120 quickly turned into a tent standoff, reflecting rising campus tensions 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.800 over the ongoing violence in the Gaza Strip. The ten 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.679 to three vote to pass the resolution was conducted by 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:50.000 secret ballot amid privacy and security concerns, given that hundreds 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.360 of emails from non UCLA students had flooded council members emails, 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:58.120 said Cultural Affairs Commissioner Alisha Verdugo, a resolution sponsor who 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:01.600 is facing facing calls from teach due to allegations of 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:04.880 anti Semitism from pro Israel groups and Jewish students. The 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:09.480 resolution follows similar BDS resolutions proposed at other California institutions 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.920 with UC Davis's student government in the UCLA Graduate Student 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:19.280 Association voting to support BDS resolutions. Resolution requires USAC to 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:22.560 maintain a list of corporations that reportedly fund violations of 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:26.239 human rights and international laws that is accessible by student 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:29.680 groups and departments. It will include companies targeted by the 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:34.320 Palestinian BDS National Committee, such as Hewlett Packard, Chevron and Puma. 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:38.160 And I do want to say that this isn't the 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:40.840 only instance of this. This has actually happened at a 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:43.320 few different schools. So shout out to all the students 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:47.400 that are organizing, that are letting their voices be known 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:50.040 on the campus, that are unafraid of the pushback, because 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:52.120 I know that that is a real thing we have 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:55.079 to live with. But right is right, and when everything 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:56.440 is said and done, you will go down on the 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:58.760 right side of history. You are the better ally that 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:07.720 we all should become. All right, So, Suzanne, before we 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:10.360 have some more conversations, I want to make sure that 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:12.600 you have you came with some talking points. I want 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:14.200 to make sure you get all those talking points off, 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:17.000 so anything else that we need to hit before. 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:20.720 We uh Regarding Tommy, A couple other things that he said, 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:25.639 Lord help me, he said, when you when you talk 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:27.959 to him about the number of people who have been killed, 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:32.640 he and you said it was twenty five thousand women 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:37.200 and children. He combated that, and he was like, NATO 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:42.200 roughly kills for one like bad guy they kill, there's 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:47.800 three civilians who die for Israel. According to what Amy says, 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:51.800 for one terrorist that they kill, it's one point five 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:56.040 civilians who die, so good job. 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:58.840 Well, first of all, one of the things that he 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.960 said is that among that number of people, some of 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:06.360 those terrorists are underage children. And he's saying that that's 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:11.440 okay because they're terrorists. There's nothing okay about killing children. 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:15.120 And you have no proof that those are that's twelve 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:19.640 thousand people that he's saying are terrorists, twelve thousand people 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:24.240 and a bunch of them are kids. Make that make sense. 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:26.800 It was just so it was just so unconscionable because 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:28.520 you would never say that about another group of people 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:32.480 ever ever. And suddenly something just switches when you talk 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:37.200 about Palestine, where you become comfortable with dehumanizing them, comfortable 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:40.160 with just randomly killing kids and it being okay. You 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:43.520 guys know what I'm talking about one of the things 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.040 he said is he was like, there's you know, making 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:45.680 mistakes is a. 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:46.200 Part of war. 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:53.360 So either they're incredibly savvy and we have to respect 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:57.120 what they do the State of Israel because the United 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:01.120 the State Department here in the US, they do anything 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:04.600 that's like over the top that Israel does, it's over 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.000 the top. The State Department goes, well, we've asked Israel 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:09.880 to investigate the matter, and they've investigated and they haven't 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:11.960 found anything that's really interesting. 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:19.799 It's really really interesting too. At the same time, there. 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.760 Was an allegation that Israel put out that you and 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:27.560 Adawa the UN organization un RWA, that there might be 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.440 hemas supporters or ms. 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.120 At individuals in that organization. 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:37.440 Five top countries that give so much funding to you 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:43.320 and Ottawa completely cut it off without any any credibility, 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:46.960 without any evidence that any of that was true. They 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:50.520 immediately cut off funding to you and Ottawa. But when 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:53.200 Israel does something really horrible, they're like, well, we've asked 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:55.800 them to check themselves. 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:58.679 You guys know what I'm talking about. 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:02.440 Q definitely knows you've got there. It's like a motif 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:05.280 on the show. Tell them about the police, quipe. 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.520 I don't have to make it about the police. There's 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:17.919 a reason why so much rings familiar with what the 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:22.119 people in Palestine are dealing with, and why there seem 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.919 to be so many through lines and very very obvious 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:32.279 synergies of mental, emotional, and historical presence between black people's 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.760 struggle all over the world, but specifically in the United 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:40.520 States and what they are dealing with currently. There is 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.680 a strategy put forth by those who look to oppress 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:49.400 since the beginning, and the most important and long lasting 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:53.200 part of that strategy is to other and then sub 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:57.640 humanize them. And once you do that successfully, treating them 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:02.719 as such becomes acceptable, where even decent people just see 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:04.880 that as the cost of life, and that's just how 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.080 things go. So there's nothing for us to be offended about, 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:10.160 because that's just how it is. Sweetie. And I use 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:13.560 the word sweety intentionally because I'm picturing adults talking to children. 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:14.280 Right. 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:18.400 You guys brought up the TikTok legislation that's being put forth. 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:22.640 The children are, for lack of a better term, awake, 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:27.280 and that is terrifying to people in power because these 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.520 awake children are speaking out and they're going outside and 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:33.480 marching and protesting and organizing at rates that are alarming 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:37.040 if the idea is to keep people underneath your thumb. 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:41.680 So this masterful plan that has worked for centuries. The 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:44.640 reason why you go back to the sixties, and you 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:46.520 can go back further than that and you'll see through lines, 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:49.440 is because the strategy hasn't changed. It's quite masterful and 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:53.680 effective in its efficacy. It's working, it has worked, and 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.040 it always will. So when I have these moments of 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:00.520 frustration and seeming helplessness, is because I've seen the movie before. 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:03.840 I see the outcry, I see the frustration, I see 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:05.800 the marches in the protest, but I see the outcome 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.960 remaining the same over and over again. 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:11.840 So here's what I'm going to do. 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.160 So not to cut you off there, but of course, 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:19.440 let them police themselves and them and then find that 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:23.000 they've done nothing wrong. Of course, my son will come 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:24.920 back from his room and say it's already clean, and 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:26.960 he already did his homework, And Dad, I don't understand 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.160 why you're putting me my own punishment. If I left 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:32.280 it to him to be his own father, to be 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:34.920 his own protector, and to do his own investigation into 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:38.040 his own homework, like, of course Dad, it was of 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:39.479 course I did it already. 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:40.280 And I did it right. 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:42.559 Yeah, of course we've done nothing wrong here. There's nothing 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:43.120 to see here. 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.480 Here's what I want to do. I want to ask 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:51.120 a bunch of questions rapid fire, just for the sake 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.880 of time. You got something you need to get off, 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.160 you get it off. But I want to make sure 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:01.160 that we get the people just litle bit more insight. Okay, 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:06.040 So first thing, it was a video of Aaron Bushnaw 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:11.520 set himself on fire for those that'd seen the video, 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:19.400 and he spent his last breath yelling brief Palestine. He 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.200 felt like that was what he needed to do to 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:27.319 bring attention to what was going on in the Middle East. 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:31.040 How does that hit your people? How was your people's 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:34.559 reaction to that? What you've seen online with your activism, etc. 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.560 Not only did he do that, but he also gave 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:40.440 all of his money and his will to the Palestinian 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:42.079 Children's Relief Fund. 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.079 I didn't know that, which. 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:44.640 Is really. 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.560 I wish he didn't do it because it would have 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.040 been I mean, just his family alone. I just think 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.240 I'm a mom, and I think of his parents, and 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:56.400 I think like my God, can you imagine when it 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.439 comes to Palestine. That's a soul we would have loved 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.960 to have with. Yes, you know, that is a powerful 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:09.320 human and we're all really devastated, and it's hit in Gaza. 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:12.840 People know in Gaza, they are holding up pictures of 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:13.800 him on their. 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:14.800 Street named after him. 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.400 There's a street in Jericho in the West Bank now 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.040 named after Aaron Bushnell. 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:22.960 So he is, he's become a martyr. 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:31.000 Okay, I'm glad to ask you that one. I would 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.160 ask you about all the Super Bowl commercials and things 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.120 like that, because that's happened since we've been up here before. 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.880 But I feel like it's not nearly as important. Let's 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:43.400 talk about the President's State of the Union address. Okay, 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:48.360 he said, I'm. 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:51.280 Gonna quote him to the leadership of Israel I say this 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:55.400 humanitarian assistance cannot be a secondary consideration or bargaining ship. 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.959 Protecting and saving innocent lives has to be a priority. 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:02.680 The only real is a two state solution. What do 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:03.320 you make of that? 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:04.600 How do you say that? 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:09.280 Well, literally, at the exact same time that speech is 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:15.640 being given, the money and weapons that you are also 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:20.040 giving is thrown onto the people and it's creating the 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.840 humanitarian catastrophe that you were saying is so important, and 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:25.240 it's not a secondary thing to think about how does 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:25.800 that work? 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:31.480 That's it's since it's it's i'm gonna I'm gonna say this. 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.680 Don't let me state your brief. But there's a saying 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:36.320 that we use here. Sometimes we even have to do 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.240 it ourselves. But it's kind of like talking out of 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.040 both sides of your mouth. Is that does that kind 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:43.079 of encapsulate what you feel like he's doing that it's. 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:45.559 Just there, he's he's mad, that he's he's actually mad. 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.200 He actually this has come out in the last week 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:51.679 that he's really off. That he doesn't understand why his 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.160 his ratings have gone down in Georgia and Michigan. 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:56.640 Well over Gaza you know why. 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:00.920 Yeah, but he doesn't get it. He's his numbers are dropping. 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:02.960 So he's got let's talk about that. Let's talk about 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:09.600 that though, So that organized organizing of you know, there's 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:13.120 a there's a huge community in Michigan. 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:17.839 The metro Detroit Detroit area has probably in this part 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:21.920 of the world, the largest concentration of Muslim and. 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:23.800 Arab people outside of the Middle East. 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.720 So yeah, of course Michigan will show up, and thankfully, 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:33.199 thankfully Michigan has shown up in the way that it has. 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.959 And of course people are very very upset right because 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:41.600 there's a stunning and startling similarity between the left and 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:45.240 the right and this country when it comes to their 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:51.200 foundation of Christianity and white Christianity more specifically right. So 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.600 they don't expect this type of pushback. Neither side would 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.640 expect this type of pushback in support of something that's 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:01.240 not American. You know, you're not being a patriot and 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:04.600 you're not being a good, God loving American Christian person 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.000 if you stand up in a time like this to 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.240 support something like this. Of course, that's going to be 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:12.520 very confusing for a president who's kind of not had 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:14.200 his finger on the pulse of any of the things 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.840 that matter to us since we got him elected. 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.600 Can I say something else while we're here and me 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:22.440 and u Q we have this conversation quite a bit 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:26.120 about why do black people always vote Democrat? Why the 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.760 black people always vote Democrat? They don't do they don't do. This. 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:33.560 One of the things that has inspired me by our 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:40.080 Arab American brothers and sisters with this, what was the vote, 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.920 the name of the vote, whereas you're not voting for anybody, 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.680 but you're showing up to undecided or uncommitted, uncommitted. That 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:48.600 was it. One of the things that I'm hoping will 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:53.240 resonate with the democratic establishment is that they will feel 0:13:54.080 --> 0:14:00.640 the presence of our absence, right, And it is our 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:04.920 Arab American brothers and sisters who have kind of spearheaded 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:08.240 that movement, because just that little bit is enough to 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.199 suggest like, oh wait, if they get organized and they 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.400 withhold their vote, then we lose power. And if they 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.480 want power, then they have to be accountable to the 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:20.400 people on the ground, which is there is no silver 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:24.240 lining about I'm forever a changed man seeing what happened 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:27.280 to those children. I'm a father. We're all parents here, yes, 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.840 and we're parents of young children, so we can see 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:32.640 that very easily. I mean, you guys, see my kid 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:36.720 running around in his undwear all the time, right, unconsciable, 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.240 inconceivable to think of me picking my own baby out 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:44.520 of a pile of rubble. He has such a bright future, right. 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.240 If there is a silver lining though, and I don't 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:52.160 mean to be polished, it's that the organization that came 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:57.400 from this to show that, and this is why we 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.240 done our best to really stand in solidarity with the 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.720 people that we feel needed, you know which, Again, admittedly 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.040 I've admitted I know I'm a journalist, but I've admitted 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.800 that Palestinian people, like history will look back on this 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:09.760 and say, Yo, the Palestinian people needed us to do 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:13.000 even more we talk on the radio. So just what 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.560 we do but shoot, give us a ticket and whatever 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:20.120 else we need, we'll go get busy whatever. Anyway, that 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.840 part is something that I've really been able to appreciate. 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:24.240 I don't want to take up too much of your time, 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:25.760 so let me get back here. I'm going to read 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.320 a few things, just get one reaction from you before 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:29.840 time runs out. So there was a lot of lies 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:33.280 that I pressed last week. I pressed Amion just to 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.120 get his reaction. I'd like to do the same with you, 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:36.800 just to get your reaction. A lot about lives that 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.040 have since been debunked. First, there was already a cease 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:44.560 fire on October sixth, and the pushback was that Israel 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:49.400 had been firing on Palaestinian people prior to October seventh, 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.560 and so that narrative has been proven that there's footage, 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.800 there's incidents documented, that sort of thing. The next one 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:01.120 is that the priority was freeing the hostages, and the 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:04.320 IDF is in fact killed some of the hospital hostages 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.000 that they've been trying to save. Right, of course, we 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.320 talked about the forty babies that were beheaded that ended 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.400 up being one hundred percent not true. I think there 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:16.160 was only one baby that was like under the age 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:19.000 of two that actually died, and one is too many, 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.920 but that baby was not beheaded, and I don't think 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.400 that that was even a let me not speak on it, 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.760 but I don't think that baby was like a target. Specifically, 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:32.440 the Hamas main base under the Alchifa hospital helped me 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:37.480 Al Shifa Hospital, and the AP ultimately found out that 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.960 that base, that sophisticated base, ended up being just kind 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:44.080 of one room with two metal cots that looked like 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:48.400 it wasn't even being used. So that's another debunked lie 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:53.040 that was surrounding this narrative about Israel's justification for attacking 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.920 Al Gaza. Next one Washington, Oh sorry, yeah, the Washington 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.120 Post also found that there was no military base under 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:04.879 that hospital. The Israeli ministry uses the Gaza Ministry of 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.600 Health's numbers, and they found those numbers to be a 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:10.640 reliable source of info. And we talked about some other 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:14.560 sources that also confirmed that the numbers coming out of 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.680 Gaza were in fact reliable, and the people pushing back 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:22.400 against that, all of them have no credibility journalistically or scientists. 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:23.760 Don't want to be true because it makes it look back. 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:28.240 But scientifically speaking and journalistically speaking, they're not credible or 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:32.840 else are we. You mentioned the US Secretary of Defense 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:36.080 Lloyd Austin discussing twenty five thousand women and children being 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:38.639 killed by Israel. At present, four out of five of 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.280 the Hungary's people in the world are in Gaza right now. 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:49.879 That is a fact. And the other lie that has 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:54.000 been associated with this conflict is that the Gazans elected 0:17:54.280 --> 0:18:00.320 Hamas as a way of justifying and making every one 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:04.000 culpable for the attack on January second. So everyone has 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:06.840 to pay and if there are, if there's collateral damage, 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:09.680 then so be it. It's the cost of doing business. 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.240 And that was for those that listened to last week's episode, 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:14.000 which if you haven't, please go back and listen because 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:15.960 this will make a lot more sense. But the one 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:20.119 time in that conversation when we really had a tense moment, 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:25.919 me an amy was because of that very thing, you know, 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.879 that that justification which feels so unfair that in and 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.360 of itself is a war crime. Collective punishment is a warfime. 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:37.480 But as we've discussed, the numbers do not support the fact. 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:41.560 First off, the Hamas did not win a majority of 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:44.119 the votes in the election. And second, while the election 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:45.840 was in two thousand and six, and the vast majority 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:50.280 of the people that have suffering, the people on the ground, yeah, 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:52.240 they weren't even old enough to vote in that election 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:52.760 in the first place. 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:55.040 And that was asked fifty percent of the population. I mean, 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:55.880 that's a big number. 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:58.800 So most of the human beings on the ground paying 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:00.000 the price for this did not vote. 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:01.960 So here's what I'll. 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:06.440 Say this is there's two wars happening. There's the war 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:08.360 that's happening on the ground, and there's the narrative war. 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:11.280 And for the first time in seventy five years, Israel 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:15.439 is losing their narrative war and they are terrified. And 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:19.199 one thing one way to decipher is that everything that 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:24.560 they every accusation is a confession. Every everyone so every 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:28.000 time they say they're using people's human shields, they use 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:30.960 people as human shields. This they're doing collective punishment. He 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:32.640 mass is the one that's taking food away from people. 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:35.320 They're the ones taking food away from people. Every time 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.560 they accuse Hamas or the Palstine authority or the Palsinen 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:41.640 people of something, it is actually a confession of things 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:42.119 that they do. 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:43.160 It's how they come up with it. 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:47.120 You know. Another said thing I'm just saying real quick. 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:49.159 There was another video that broke my heart. There was 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.040 a black and white video on CNN. You had some 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:53.640 food out there and you see the people. They look 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:56.280 like little dots. They were coming to get the food. Yeah, 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:59.560 they started shooting the flower massacre. Yeah, and then one 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:00.720 hundreds some people died. 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:01.760 It was the flower massacre. 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:06.359 They didn't die, they were murdered by snipers when they 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:08.920 went to go get food, flower off of an AID truck. 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:12.720 So people left their homes, dads left their kids to 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:15.280 go get food and never came back. And they somehow 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:16.680 managed to blame how Masks for it. 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:19.120 Q And you had some. 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:28.760 I really start to lose hope on the idea that 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:31.640 we could get to a place where we figure out 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:35.439 a way to see each other collectively as human beings. 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:41.880 Those who look to oppress have done the most incredible 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:45.679 job at teaching us to focus on the things that 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.800 make us different, because if they can keep us separated, 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:53.200 they can keep us colonized and disorganized and fighting amongst 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:57.840 each other and oppressed. Because they are by far the minority. 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:01.800 By far, there are seven and a half billion people 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:06.359 on this planet. Seven point four billion of them are poor. 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:11.199 We have far more in common than the things that 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:16.080 separate us. But they have done the most masterful divide 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:21.000 and conquer. They have implemented this strategy. It has taken root, 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:25.639 and it has the fruit that it bears. Seems to 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:31.680 be undefeated. There seems to be no solution, no formula 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:36.000 that can get us to look at each other as 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:39.720 brothers and sisters of the human race. We rather be 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:42.560 black and Irish and Jamaican and Haitian and Chinese and 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:45.480 Japanese and you know whatever that makes us different, and 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:48.720 Christian and Buddhist and Catholic and gay and Muslim and 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:51.040 gay and straight, and we can go on and on, 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:53.280 but even that list is short. You know, if I 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:56.000 say all of those things together there are still far 0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:57.600 more that makes us the same, and we got to 0:21:57.600 --> 0:21:58.760 find a way back to that. 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:05.960 Well. As always the short This show is way too short, 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:14.280 So just a couple of closing thoughts here. We always, 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:17.919 in forever will stand with Jewish people. Can't say the 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:21.399 same about any country, can't say the same about any logo. 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:27.120 There's a lot more conversation that needs to be had. 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:29.639 I'm going to ask you to do us one more favor, 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:33.720 one more bab ba. Please follow at the actorist on 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:37.399 social media and follow another friend of the show. Resistance 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:42.520 is beautiful, Resistance underscore is underscore beautiful. To get some 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:45.000 more insight into these and to keep the conversation going. 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:47.359 Of course, you have a standing invitation to come back, 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:53.560