1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Let's get to the Tesla story next. As Brian mentioned 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: a new daily record in that story from Bloomberg's Denise Pellegrini. 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 2: The electric vehicle maker delivered a record four hundred and 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: sixty six one hundred forty cars worldwide in the second quarter, 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 2: and that is way more than the analyst estimate of 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 2: four hundred forty eight thousand in change. This is also 7 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: dramatically higher than a year ago. Deliveries are up eighty 8 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 2: three percent by that measure. The Model three and the 9 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 2: Model y together con for ninety six percent of Tesla's 10 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 2: global deliveries, and the delivery gains come amid persistent price 11 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: cuts by Tesla and inventory overhang. Though it is still 12 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: casting a bit of a shadow on things, Tesla is 13 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: still producing more cars than it's delivering. Tesla handed over 14 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: at least thirteen thousand fewer cars as a matter of fact, 15 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 2: than it produced in this latest quarter, Denise Pellegrine, Bloomberg, 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: Day Break Asia. 17 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 3: In the meantime, China's biggest TV maker byd sold more 18 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 3: than a quarter of a million vehicles in the month 19 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 3: of June alone. Bloombrigs Eric lamb As the story from 20 00:00:58,240 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 3: Hong Kong. 21 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 4: China's top ev makers generally saw a big return of demand. 22 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 4: In June. By D sold more than two hundred and 23 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 4: fifty three thousand units, dwarfing other manufacturers. That's up from 24 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 4: two hundred and thirty nine thousand in May. Lee Auto 25 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 4: sold more than thirty two thousand in June for the 26 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 4: first time ever. China last month extended a tax break 27 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 4: for consumers buying clean cars through twenty twenty seven. Overall, 28 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 4: the pace of deliveries for clean cars in China has 29 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 4: been slowing, but June's numbers will be seen as encouraging 30 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 4: for the industry in Hong Kong. I'm Eric Lamb Bloomberg 31 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 4: Daybreak Asia. 32 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: China is on a buying spree when it comes to 33 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: natural gas. Officials want importers to continue striking deals, even 34 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: though the energy crisis has eased a bit. Sources say 35 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: the government is hoping to boost its energy security through 36 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: the middle of the century. Now, China is on track 37 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: to be the world's top importer of liquefied natural gas 38 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. Other importers, this would include India, 39 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: are also looking to sign more deals. The plan here 40 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: is to avoid future shortages and herb dependence on spot deliveries. 41 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: China is locking in contracts at a very rapid pace. 42 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: So far this year, thirty three percent of long term 43 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 1: LNG volumes have gone to China. Brian Well. 44 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 3: Australian house prices rose at a slower pace than expected 45 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 3: last month, leaving tomorrow's Reserve Bank of Australia meeting delicately 46 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 3: poised as it were, let's get more from Bloomberg's Paul Allen. 47 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 5: House price growth across Australia slowed in June to one 48 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 5: point two percent from the one point four percent recorded 49 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 5: to May. Prices in Sydney still climbed strongly, with supply 50 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 5: shortages among a range of factors driving prices and rents higher, 51 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 5: despite the Reserve Bank of Australia aggressively tightening rates over 52 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 5: the past year. The bank meets again on Tuesday in Australia, 53 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 5: with economists evenly split on the likely outcome. Thirteen see 54 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 5: another quarter point increase. Fourteen see the RBA staying on 55 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 5: hold at four point one percent. Traders pricing in a 56 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 5: sixty percent chance of a pause inflations running at six sand, 57 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 5: currently well outside the IBA's tigert range. The next set 58 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 5: of quarterly inflation numbers of juven Australia on July twenty six, 59 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 5: and this may encourage the IBA to stay on hold 60 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 5: and wait until August. Tuesday's meeting is going to be 61 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 5: a close call. Paul Allen Bloomberg Daybreak Asia. 62 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 3: So along with Doug Krisner, Rashad Salama will join us 63 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 3: in a few moments. So quite a few interesting stories. 64 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 3: We should mention Pang Goong Shang, who has been named 65 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 3: the Communist Party chief of the PBOC, not specifically named 66 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 3: the PBOC governor yet, but that's the way that we're 67 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: moving here. The thinking is that he will be made 68 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 3: that and also the thinking, which again is a little 69 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 3: bit of an extrapolation Doug, is that this is more 70 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 3: of a continuity move than it is, Hey, let's do 71 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 3: something really fresh and really new now. That could ultimately happen, 72 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 3: But at least the signals that we're getting at the 73 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 3: moment is that this is more sort of steady as 74 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 3: she goes. 75 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: Thinking, Well, when it comes to the Central Bank here 76 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: in the US Brian midweek, we're going to get to 77 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: the minutes from the last FED meeting. This is kind 78 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: of walking us up to the employment report that we're 79 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: expecting in the US on Friday. The numbers here are 80 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: expected to show maybe moderate but still healthy job growth, 81 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: with an unemployment rate that's kind of holding at historically 82 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: low levels. Cooler wage gains, yeah, perhaps fewer job vacancies. 83 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: Where does this leave the FED? I think that's the 84 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: big question. And after that PCE data that we had 85 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: last Friday for the month of May, maybe in a 86 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: little bit more tightening. How much more is the big question? 87 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, And the market seems to be going along its 88 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 3: merry way. You mentioned the big rally on Friday, with 89 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: the Nasdaq up one and a half percent the SMP 90 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 3: gaining one and a quarter percent. I really think one 91 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 3: of the big questions here at the moment is are 92 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 3: the gains already in? I think investors a little bit nervous. 93 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 3: I mean, nobody wants to be late to the party. 94 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 3: And I think the key might be whether or not 95 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: we're seeing the trothing of earnings. If earnings are in 96 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 3: the prom troughing, then the PE multiples will be able 97 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 3: to come down as earnings actually lift. And it seems 98 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: like the rally so far this year, DOUG has been 99 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 3: about multiple expansion and it might be tough for that 100 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 3: to continue, so they really do need to see the 101 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 3: earnings pick up. 102 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: I think we have to mention this enthusiasm that seems 103 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: relentless for anything related to artificial intelligence. That seemed to 104 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: be the case on Friday, with the Semis up about 105 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: one point six percent and Vidia shares higher by about 106 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: three six percent. Apple now with a market capitalization of 107 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: three trillion dollars, and since the beginning of the year, 108 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: nearly five trillion has been added to the value of 109 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: companies within the NASDAQ one hundred. So the story, too 110 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,119 Speaker 1: continues to be one of information technology. 111 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 3: And the only sector that was We didn't actually have 112 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 3: many sectors that traded down. Let me just say this way, 113 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 3: almost every sector as far as the eye could see, 114 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 3: and the S and P five hundred was higher on Friday, 115 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 3: So it wasn't just information technology. You're right in pointing 116 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 3: that out. It was still the best performing sector, but 117 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 3: you had a number of other sectors up more than 118 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 3: one percent, and I think for a lot of people 119 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 3: that broadening out of the story would be pleasing. Now 120 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 3: it's time for global news, all right, let's get right 121 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 3: to Dan Schwartzman, looking at President Biden with an important 122 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 3: trip to Europe next week. Dan, what's the latest, Yeah, Brian. 123 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 6: The White House says that Biden's going to head to 124 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 6: Europe in a week to firm up ties with NATO allies. 125 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 6: Now he's going to hold talks with the UK Prime 126 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,679 Speaker 6: Minister Rishi Sunak before he jets off to the seventy 127 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 6: fourth NATO summit in Vilnius, Lithuania. The President's going to 128 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 6: finish off the trip with a stop in Finland for 129 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 6: a gathering of Nordic leaders. The meetings come as tensions 130 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 6: have risen in Russia after the two day rebellion by 131 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 6: the Wagner Mercenary Group led by their leader of Genny Pregoshin, 132 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 6: who is now an ex all in Bella, Rus Israel's 133 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 6: going to buy twenty five more F thirty five fighter jets, 134 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 6: and a deal valued at three billion dollars. The jets, 135 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 6: made by Lockheed Martin will be fine enhanced by US 136 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 6: military aid to the country. Interest in the Stealth jet 137 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 6: has risen significantly after the Russian invasion of Ukraine, with 138 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 6: a Czech Republic Republic ordering as many as twenty four 139 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 6: of the jets, while South Korea has indicated a willingness 140 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 6: to purchase more as well. Israel will be expanding its 141 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 6: F thirty five fleet to three squadrons with the purchase, 142 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 6: with seventy five total planes. The Supreme Court will be 143 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 6: tackling some more controversial cases this fall. After ruling on 144 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 6: affirmative action, student loan relief, and businesses opposing same sex marriage, 145 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 6: the Court is scheduled to hear cases on whether people 146 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 6: who are subject to domestic violence restraining orders are allowed 147 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 6: to possess guns, as well as continued access to the 148 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 6: abortion pill. Mith for pristone and an ABC News poll, 149 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 6: fifty two percent respondents agreed with the Supreme Court ruling 150 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 6: to stop the use of racing college admissions, while thirty 151 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,239 Speaker 6: two percent disapproved. Along racial lines, the majority of Whites 152 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 6: and Asians approved, while Latino and Hispanic Americans were evenly split, 153 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 6: with fifty two percent of Black Americans disapproving. Former Vice 154 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 6: President and current GOP presidential candidate Mike Pence. Appearing on 155 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 6: ABC's This Week What, Jonathan Carl says, it was the 156 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 6: right decision. 157 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 7: I think there was a time for affirmative action, john 158 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 7: where to open the doors of our colleges and universities 159 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 7: to minority students and particularly African Americans who may have 160 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 7: been denied access. But I think those days are over. 161 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 6: Meanwhile, forty five percent agreed with the Court's decision to 162 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 6: reject the Biden Administration's loan forgiveness plan, while forty percent 163 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 6: disapproved of the Court's decision. Days after the expiration their contract, 164 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 6: thousands of hotel workers in southern California are now officially 165 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 6: on strike. Major hotels such as the Ritz Carlton and JW. 166 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 6: Marriott in downtown Los Angeles were hit by the strike 167 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 6: during one of the busiest weekends for traveling the entire US. 168 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 6: The workers' union is seeking a Hospitality Workforce Housing fund 169 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 6: to combat rising living costs for its members. Some hotels, 170 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 6: such as the West In Bonaventure Hotel, which is the 171 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 6: largest by the way in Los Angeles, reached a deal 172 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 6: with workers the day before their contract expired, while other 173 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 6: hotels are looking to finalize agreements. Global News twenty four 174 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 6: hours a day para by more than twenty seven hundred 175 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 6: journalists and analysts in more than one hundred and twenty countries. 176 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 6: I'm Dan Schwartzman. This is Bloomberg. 177 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: I'm Brian Curtis along with Richard Salamat here in Hong Kong. 178 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 3: We said good morning in Asia two our guest Kumal 179 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 3: sree Kumar, president of Sri Kumar Global Strategies, and good 180 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 3: day to you, Sri, thanks very much for joining you. 181 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 3: Un So we know that the central banks are hawkish. 182 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 3: How close are we now to seeing the famous lagged 183 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 3: defective higher interest rates actually bite? 184 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 8: I think the lagged effect of interest rates have started 185 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 8: to bite, Brian. You saw that in March in the 186 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 8: regional banking crisis in the United States, And when Jerome 187 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 8: Powell was asked that question in Madrid when he spoke 188 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 8: at the Bank of Spain on Thursday, he would not 189 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 8: rule out another banking crisis. So clearly the Fed knows 190 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 8: that having increased interest rates substantially and exposed a lot 191 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 8: of regional banks which were paying very low interest rate 192 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 8: on the deposits, they now have one of two choices. 193 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 8: They either have to continue to lose deposits or alternately 194 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 8: pay a much higher interest rate and take a hit 195 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 8: on earnings, and neither of which is going to be 196 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 8: good for the medium sized banking industry and that's what 197 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 8: I think he's concerned about, and rightly so, but there's 198 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 8: nothing he can do about it so late in the game. 199 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 9: Brian, Sure, I mean, yeah, sure, but that is also 200 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 9: something you know, which will mean that you'd have also 201 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 9: higher costs to take out loans, and therefore you know, 202 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 9: it does the fair's job for it in some ways. 203 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 8: Yes, it is going to be a much higher cost 204 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 8: of taking out the loan, and that means fewer people 205 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 8: are going to be able to qualify for a trishad. 206 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 8: And I think what we will find is, especially in 207 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 8: the commercial real estate sector, they're going to be starved 208 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 8: of loans and the situation is already dire. The property 209 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 8: owners are going to find that the rents are dropping, 210 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 8: tenants are leaving, and at the same time when their 211 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 8: interest rates are being set at a much higher pace. 212 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 8: So I think that's where I think the crisis is 213 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 8: going to come. We haven't seen the blast Act yet. 214 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 8: It is probably three to six months away from today, so. 215 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 3: I know that you tend to argue from the negative side. 216 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 3: I'm assuming that you think we're closer to seeing the 217 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 3: reality of a hard landing than a soft landing. But 218 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 3: I would like to get you to comment on some 219 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 3: of the recent data that has been better than expected, 220 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 3: talking about consumer sales growth itself, job job sort of 221 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 3: numbers generally, particularly in the unemployment claims not looking that 222 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 3: bad your thoughts. 223 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 8: You're absolutely correct. Yeah, there's been a lot of good 224 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 8: statistics which have come out on the employment front, consumers, 225 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 8: pending fund and last week we saw that in consumer 226 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 8: sentiment also being on the positive side. But what is 227 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 8: different for this situation, this part of the cycle than 228 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 8: compared with say two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, 229 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 8: is that you have had an immense amount of stimulus, 230 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 8: both in the final months of the Trump administration and 231 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 8: the initial months of the Biden administration, and they are 232 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 8: still percolating through the system, and that in turn is 233 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 8: keeping the labor force participation rate low, the unemployment rate low, 234 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 8: because you're not considered unemployed unless you seek a job, 235 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 8: and you don't want to seek a job if you're 236 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 8: already very comfortable with your financial resources. So I think 237 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 8: those are what are delaying the recession. Brian. But if 238 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 8: you look at the treasury market, the treasury two we 239 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 8: two to ten year yield curve has been inverted since 240 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 8: last July. We are reaching peak inversion right now, yes, 241 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 8: especially on Friday, and that is saying to me that 242 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 8: recession is being delayed, but you're not being denied a recession. 243 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 8: So that's the difference. I think we need to be 244 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 8: aware of. The good news suggests to you that you're 245 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 8: not at a recession here yet, but the bond market 246 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 8: is saying that the recession is indeed coming. 247 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 9: Inflation is coming down ultimately three So you know, give 248 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 9: it a bit of time you. 249 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 8: Can, but how are you going to give it another 250 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 8: three to four years time for it to reach the 251 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 8: two percent target? 252 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 9: That's not well, should you have a two percent target? 253 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 8: On me? 254 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 9: Should you have a two percent target? 255 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 8: Well, if you do not, and yes, it's possible to 256 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 8: declare victory at four percent, which is roughly where the 257 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 8: Fed's favorite inflation target happens to be. But if you 258 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 8: do that, they that are going to be further distortions 259 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 8: in the economy and the FED is not going to 260 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 8: be able to keep its credit saying four percent is 261 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 8: the same as our roll two percent. The markets are 262 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 8: going to ask, why have you changed your view on that? 263 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 8: And that, Richard is I think the real problem of 264 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 8: credibility that the FED faces. 265 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you a lot of your question then, 266 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 3: which is kind of central to what Risch asked you about. 267 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 3: In terms of targets, it would seem that one of 268 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 3: the things we're learning throughout this process because we don't 269 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 3: see people out in the street, so one of the 270 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 3: things that we're learning is it's better to have a 271 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 3: job than perhaps you know, and endure slightly higher inflation 272 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 3: than the reverse. I mean, I know that goes against 273 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 3: you know, basic orthodoxy, but you know, you don't see 274 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 3: people really as angry about inflation as they do about 275 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 3: losing their job, and they're not losing the job at 276 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 3: the moment. 277 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 8: The question, it all depends on what kind of people 278 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 8: you ask that question of. If you're asking people in 279 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 8: low and middle income groups, they are big sufferers from 280 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 8: the high inflation rate. As you go higher up the 281 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 8: income scale, the high income people are able to protect 282 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 8: themselves from inflation because you can invest in the stock market, 283 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 8: you can get bonds which provide you inflation protection, and 284 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 8: you are better off. But in terms of the unemployment, 285 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 8: it is also affecting people on the lower income groups. 286 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 8: But now you're also find that the unemployment is rising 287 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 8: to the technology side. There are people who are being 288 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 8: laid off who used to be earning a very high 289 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 8: level of income. So I think it is a bit 290 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 8: too soon to say that inflation is not a problem, 291 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 8: because I think it is a problem at a lower 292 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 8: income level. Brian, and I think that's why the Biden 293 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 8: administration has been very careful. They talk about the advantages 294 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 8: the benefits they've got on the employment side, but they 295 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 8: don't push what they see taking place on the inflation front. 296 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 8: But that's going to become more important as the elections 297 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 8: come nearby. 298 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 3: Well sure, I mean they got to do a mandate, 299 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 3: so yeah. 300 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 8: Exactly, yeap. 301 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 9: So the dollar continues its march. What's the deal? 302 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 8: Well, look at what I'm glad you raised the issue 303 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 8: of the dollar. 304 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 2: Rish. 305 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 8: June fourteenth, when Powell had a press conference out of Washington, 306 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 8: d c. And he told people he's really going to 307 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 8: increase interest rates in the future, the dollar actually sank. 308 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 8: He did not believe him. But in the last couple 309 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 8: of days, after his speeches in Cintra, Portugal and then 310 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 8: Thursday in Spain, the dollar actually got again because it 311 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 8: realizes that once he was pushed by other central bank 312 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 8: heads to be hawkish. He has to do something July 313 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 8: twenty sixth, he has to increase interest rates and therefore 314 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 8: the dollar. I think the dollar reaction is a very 315 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 8: accurate reflection of what the market thinks. They did not 316 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 8: believe this hawkish rhetoric on June fourteenth. They think he 317 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 8: was forced to be more hawkish last week. But we'll 318 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,479 Speaker 8: wait and see which who is the real Jerome Powell. 319 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 8: I really don't know whether he's a hawkish or a 320 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 8: dubbish chairman. 321 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 3: The Bloomberg Dollar spot Index is basically sideways for most 322 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 3: of this year, and it's actually down pretty sharply over 323 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 3: the last nine months or so, so I'm not sure 324 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 3: that there's a real strong story being told by the dollar. 325 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 3: I'll give you thirty seconds to counter that. 326 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 8: Yep, you're right. In the medium term, it has been 327 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 8: coming down, as you said, Brian, that is because the 328 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 8: other central banks have been more hawkish than the Fed 329 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 8: the point. But in the last month, I think the 330 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 8: way what we see is the dollar has also very 331 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 8: quickly reacted within two or three days to each development. 332 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 8: So I think I think both of them can coexist 333 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 8: without being mutually inconsistent. 334 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 3: We got to get you on for the whole houris 335 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 3: we'll see if we can engineer that. I mean, not 336 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 3: sure you'd give us the time, but we always enjoy it. 337 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 3: Thank you, Sree. That's Kamal Sri Kumar, president of Shri 338 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 3: Kumar Global Strategies, with us live on his Sunday, my Monday, 339 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 3: in fact mine and wishes. We're here on a Monday morning, 340 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 3: and this is Bloomberg