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Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tori Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Gig.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know where to start with you and

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Speaker 3: I because I feel like, fuck Kevin Bacon. It's like

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Speaker 3: six degrees of GG and Tory. We have so many

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Speaker 3: common denominators and links throughout the years that it's wild.

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Speaker 1: We really do have so many connections, Like we have

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Speaker 1: so many commonalities. We know so many similar people, so

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Speaker 1: many similar circles. But I think base to base, like

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Speaker 1: in person hanging out with you and I. It's only

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Speaker 1: been like once or twice fourteen years ago with.

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Speaker 2: My star or something like that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so for everyone out there, let's go back through

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Speaker 3: our history. So I met you originally because my son Liam,

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Speaker 3: our preschool that we went to, we started in the

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Speaker 3: like sixteen months and it.

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Speaker 2: Was a whole new world for me.

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Speaker 3: I was like a new mom, and I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna make mom friends and this is my new

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Speaker 3: chapter of my life. And your sister Laila was the

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Speaker 3: first friend I made. Oh nice, and her daughter, Jordan,

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Speaker 3: your niece, was Liam's first friend, and so she and

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Speaker 3: I used to like we would sit there because I

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Speaker 3: was like nervous. I came in and I felt like

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Speaker 3: judged just because that's my own shit. But I was like,

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Speaker 3: immediately connected and I was like, Okay, I like that mom,

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Speaker 3: and so we became friends. They became friends, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: she was like my best mom friend for so many years,

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Speaker 3: all through preschool.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I mean I remember, I remember all the play dates.

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Speaker 1: I remember anytime I would talk to my sister, you know,

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Speaker 1: Jordan is playing you know, Tori's kids, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, they're you know, they're really close.

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Speaker 2: Which is great.

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Speaker 1: It's actually it's just very nostalgic as well, because we

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Speaker 1: grew up, you know, watching you on TV. And then

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Speaker 1: when you run into or your kids go to school

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Speaker 1: with someone that you feel like you've known.

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Speaker 2: For so long.

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Speaker 1: And I get it now because I was on TV

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Speaker 1: for so many years and like, the parents come up

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Speaker 1: to me, they think they are already friends with me,

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Speaker 1: you know, so but you were just you know, and

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Speaker 1: it was just like wow, to Harry Spelling and then

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Speaker 2: It was very nice, well she was.

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Speaker 3: She was great to me because yeah, I felt always

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Speaker 3: felt judged, and she made me feel normal. Yeah, because yeah,

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Speaker 3: we would be there like it was weird like people.

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Speaker 2: First of all, like half the.

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Speaker 3: Moms were too like conservative and square and and just

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Speaker 3: and Leila and I were we were in our sweats

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's crazy. I don't have the energy for

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Speaker 1: I'm just I go in pajamas. I did do drop

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Speaker 1: do pick up in pajamas. And that's just as good

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Speaker 1: as I get for me. But you know, I love

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Speaker 1: to volunteer. I love to do those kind of fun

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Speaker 1: things at the school. But that's as much as it

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Speaker 1: goes for me. And wait, your son is four. Now

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, it's very important we throw that part in.

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Speaker 2: But he'll be.

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Speaker 3: Five on one.

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Speaker 2: Five in April. He's just he's he's the best.

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Speaker 3: And he now I won't say the name, but goes

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Speaker 2: That we went to. Isn't that a small world? Yes?

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Speaker 2: I love that school. I really do too.

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Speaker 1: And you'd be so surprised the person, the woman in charge,

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Speaker 1: So when Layla comes with my niece Jordan from my

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Speaker 2: It's such a small world. It's very nostalgia.

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Speaker 3: Did they still have farming animals there?

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Speaker 1: They still do, and they've made it even better. They've expanded,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, over the years we had.

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Speaker 3: Farm animals and then we didn't have farm animals, and

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Speaker 3: that school, God blessed them. Anytime I was like, we're

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Speaker 3: moving to a house in Hoa, we can't have farm animals.

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Speaker 3: They took my animals. So a lot of my animals

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Speaker 3: The kids, like I know, like you know, your goats

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Speaker 3: and it was the only school that not that they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably a true story.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, Oh my gosh, Okay. So when Shaw's of

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Speaker 3: Sunset started, I was immediately like, first of all, great show,

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Speaker 2: But I was really excited to watch because I was like.

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Speaker 3: I know her, like well, I know her ish, I

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Speaker 3: watching and but none of that, like all that aside,

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Speaker 3: Like I just always loved you because I loved your

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but at the time I felt like very like, oh,

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Speaker 1: But I always have felt I felt like I've always

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Speaker 1: we're living in this time where it's emphasized to speak up.

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Speaker 1: It's emphasized to say what's on your mind, to talk

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Speaker 1: about anything that's happening to you as a woman, as

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Speaker 1: a gay person, as a colored person. So I almost

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Speaker 2: All these years?

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Speaker 1: Like I've been doing this, but I was really culed

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Speaker 3: I feel your sister in so many ways ahead of

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Speaker 3: your her. No, it's like is it ever going to be?

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Speaker 3: But then it catches up like to me, like you're like,

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Speaker 3: I don't know why I want to liken you to

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Speaker 3: like the polar opposite. Like it was like she was

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Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, like where we Oh my gosh, imagine

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Speaker 3: like if we could like go back in time, you're

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Speaker 3: too young. But like if you were like in the nineties,

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Speaker 1: Now, I gotta tell you, I really don't want to

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Speaker 2: I don't want to go back.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, there's a reason why I'm so outspoken and

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Speaker 1: that was because I grew up in a way that

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Speaker 2: And it's just as a mom now I get it.

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Speaker 1: Everything trickles back to how you're raised and if you're

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Speaker 1: heard in your house and if you are.

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Speaker 2: Nurtured in your house. So I don't want to go

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Speaker 2: back to those crazy days.

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Speaker 1: I'm really happy for my journey and God bless reality

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Speaker 1: TV because I've been in therapy my whole life.

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Speaker 2: But nothing is as therapeutic.

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Speaker 1: As watching yourself on TV year after year, just changing

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Speaker 3: It's like you have videos of your therapy, se diary, right,

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm like I always would say that, and I

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Speaker 3: To me was cathartic. It was my out. I couldn't

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Speaker 3: a whole infidelity scandal. I people were like, are you

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Speaker 2: I think that. I think the crew, they the production

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Speaker 1: They are the pen. You know, they're the pen. The

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Speaker 1: show is the notebook and you are using. They're helping

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Speaker 1: you write your personal story. So I really I loved it.

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Speaker 1: It was very good therapy. But I think for a

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Speaker 1: for you to gain.

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Speaker 2: Therapeutic aspects out of it, you have.

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Speaker 1: To be fully just transparent, vulnerable to the process, and open.

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Speaker 2: And you're gonna get talked shit about. Everyone's gonna troll you.

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Speaker 1: Whether you're none or you're you know, whore, It doesn't

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Speaker 2: It's so true. Do you feel like you're polarizing.

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Speaker 1: I think that I allowed my audience to have a

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Speaker 1: wasn't just a seasonal thing. It wasn't just a one

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Speaker 2: It's just who I was.

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Speaker 1: And I think by being me, it just now gives

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Speaker 1: me this platform to continue to be me, not trying

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Speaker 1: to fit any societal you know, expectations or norms or anything.

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Speaker 1: And when I look at my social media and stuff

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Speaker 1: other castmates or other people on reality shows, they get

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Speaker 1: a lot of hate.

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Speaker 2: They get a lot of like you're so pretty, or

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Speaker 2: you're so ugly, or you're so this. I'm not even

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Speaker 2: kidding you.

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Speaker 1: If you look at my comments, it's just thank you

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Speaker 1: for this. You've taught me this, and you know, you

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Speaker 1: Like, I'm like, Wow, now I'm at a point where

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, you know, advertisers are not ready to promote these

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Speaker 3: It's almost like you were the learning curve for everybody. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Right, right, That's what I guess at the end of

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Speaker 1: That's just what being real. And I use quotes when

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Speaker 2: To who you are or who your soul and heart is.

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Speaker 3: And that's I struggle with this all the time personally

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Speaker 1: Right, So it's like, did you have that same concept

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing. I was born into that world

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Speaker 2: First of all, you had a little bit of.

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Speaker 1: my favorite movies of absolute all time, True Beverly Hills.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I did. I was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was fourteen. You were a little bitch, I know,

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Speaker 3: And that was so hard. I only had like what

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Speaker 3: I wanted to see into the pill That's where I

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Speaker 2: How here, how here? That's interesting. Yeah, I guess that's

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Speaker 1: When you go on TV, film, movies, reality, it's just

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Speaker 3: But lucky enough, like you became famous being you right,

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Speaker 1: Lot of a lot of penalties attached to it, though,

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Speaker 2: But I mean, it just doesn't change, and that's.

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Speaker 3: Never going to change. And see, we see it happening

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Speaker 2: It does, it does.

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Speaker 1: And I think that the more and more technology progresses,

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Speaker 1: Well, it's doing well, and so we just keep coming

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Speaker 3: They do stay warm?

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00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 1: Yeah they two, they too, but toy. I didn't have

446
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 1: sex for almost seven years, so up until last year, last.

447
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 2: Like May or June, a conscious decision.

448
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: Not well in the beginning, so I got I went

449
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 1: through a year and a half of e yeah to

450
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: get pregnant. The first one it ruptured and I lost

451
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 1: both my filopian tubes.

452
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 2: So immediately I waited to healed.

453
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: Three months later, I was pregnant again and I had

454
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: my son right when COVID started. So then we go

455
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: into two years of lockdown. I have this new well

456
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I didn't want to expose him,

457
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: and then it was just like, how do I date?

458
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 2: How does this work? How do you do things? Everything? Swiping?

459
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: And I've never done online stuff, so I'm like, I

460
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: just felt uncomfortable. I didn't wanted to want to go out.

461
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to be with my kid. I fell awkward

462
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 1: and so it just wasn't happening for me. And I'm psychiosexual,

463
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: so I need to get mentally stimulated to have sex.

464
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I was going to say, can you clarify

465
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 3: that for our Yes.

466
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 1: I'm turned on by brains like people's minds, so I

467
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: don't have like a particular physical type.

468
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Wait, Okay.

469
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 3: When I said can you clarify that for our listener,

470
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 3: I meant for me and I was trying to be cool.

471
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 3: Ask him for a friend.

472
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: Nobody knows what it means, nobodys.

473
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 3: I think you just defined what I am.

474
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: There. You go see everyone says that they're like, oh

475
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: my god, is that what it's called it's about the brain.

476
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 3: I'd rather be turned on by the brain.

477
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely, say it again. It's s a p io sexual.

478
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 3: No, shoot, there's no tea in there. I can't put

479
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 3: my name and I put my name into everything. Okay,

480
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 3: I'll share it out later.

481
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 2: Yes, it's it's How did.

482
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 3: You come to know this?

483
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: Because at one point I started thinking that I was polyamorous,

484
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: and I realized because I don't have jealousy in my body,

485
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: I don't have I don't care about sex. Is not

486
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: a symbol of faith to me because I'm a mental person.

487
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: For me, cheating on me, Like if you're emotionally invested

488
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 1: in someone else, now I feel cheated on. But if

489
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: we are having a conversation and you find someone attractive,

490
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: and guess what I'm If I'm not doing it for you,

491
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: or if I'm busy or if i'm traveling, I don't

492
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: have a problem if he wants to hook up or

493
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 1: get his deck sucked or something like that. So I

494
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: was like reading all these things like what makes a

495
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: person like this, and polyamory came.

496
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: Up and I was like, Oh, maybe that's what I am.

497
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: But then I realized it's not polly because I don't

498
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: want to have multiple boyfriends. I just want to have

499
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: one boyfriend and I want to be his only girlfriend.

500
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: And I just want there to be an understanding of

501
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: who I am and who he is, which is just

502
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: impossible because I want space and relationships.

503
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: I want a lot of space.

504
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 3: Oh my god, is it possible we were twins in

505
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 3: another lifetime. I'm not sure what's.

506
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 2: Cheating space when you have so many kids.

507
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 1: You are banging your husband a lot to make that happen. Sorry,

508
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: I was that was no space.

509
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 2: Space.

510
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 3: But for me, I think I'm still I'm fifty one

511
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 3: and I'm trying to figure this out now as a

512
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 3: single mom of five, like suddenly not married, and I'm like,

513
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 3: what is going on? Who am I? Because I think

514
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 3: from a young age being on TV and being sexualized,

515
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 3: I guess you know, that was my self worth was

516
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 3: if I you know, if a guy thinks I'm pretty

517
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 3: or he likes my body. And it was the nineties,

518
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 3: so there wasn't you know, no one's calling hr. There

519
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: wasn't oh my gosh, that's inappropriate kind of anything went.

520
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 3: No one knew and you know, we had a young

521
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 3: cast and good looking guys and girls and there was

522
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 3: no blurred. It all blurred, like you know, walking onto

523
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 3: that set, you were like, oh my gosh.

524
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 2: If the boys went up and were like, oh my god.

525
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 3: I would always wear like belly shirts they called the

526
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 3: time crop tops, and the boys would be like telling

527
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 3: everyone else like, look, oh my gosh, look how tiny

528
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: her waist is, and I'd be like, oh yeah, yeah,

529
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 3: you know, and showing like people, I can put my

530
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 3: hands right around her waist. Well, if they didn't do

531
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 3: that or make a comment about my boobs, I was like, oh,

532
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 3: something wrong with me, like, and it wasn't inappropriate. We

533
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 3: were all good friends. No one knew. We all grew

534
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 3: up together on TV and very young promiscuous, like we're

535
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 3: all sexually you know, like excited, and we didn't know.

536
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 3: And so that carried on through my whole life, thinking

537
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 3: I had to be pretty, not use my brain, not

538
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 3: you know, be funny. But it's like all of a sudden,

539
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: it took years for me to realize, well, Okay, I'm pretty,

540
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 3: I have a good body like whatever, but I'm also

541
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 3: really smart and if someone doesn't stimulate me that way,

542
00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 3: I'm kind of not there.

543
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 2: But it's still.

544
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 3: Blurs going back and forth because I still have that need,

545
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 3: especially for social media. Yeah, I go down the rabbit

546
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: hole and seeing.

547
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: Everybody post all their gorgeous.

548
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: Pictures and how hot they look, and I'm like, am

549
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 3: I supposed to be that?

550
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: Am I just supposed to be brilliant?

551
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 3: I don't know.

552
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm actually I'm creating an app right now which

553
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna love it. It's it's a dating app, but

554
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: it's very specialized. It's very specific. It's there's never been

555
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: anything like this. I'm out there, so I'm really excited

556
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: about this. I'm in the creative phase. I'm putting my

557
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: team together right now.

558
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 2: But it's hard. It's really hard. Can I be the beta? Yeah,

559
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 2: the beta.

560
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 3: I'll be your guinea pig, Like, just let me me

561
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 3: test it. So I've never done dating apps that I

562
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: used to be like, that's so funny swipe because at

563
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 3: the end of the day, if you don't put a

564
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: picture one of those dating apps, no one looks at you.

565
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: They swipe. So it's just saying, this is very surface.

566
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: So I want to go beyond that, and I'm designing

567
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: something that it's not. It's just I can't even say

568
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: anything right now. But it's just going to go beyond

569
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: that because we are a world right now where.

570
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: It's called woke. Right, that's what it is.

571
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: It's woke world, and I like cooks, think so, and

572
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 3: then I can't deal with the word woke.

573
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: Right.

574
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: The more face app and face tune and these things exist,

575
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: and the more we use them, because we all do.

576
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: The more we use them.

577
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 2: There's also a larger desire.

578
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: For more realness on the opposite end, because now we're

579
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: craving more natural people be like, look at that, that's

580
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: a natural beauty, as if it's one of the eighth

581
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: wonders of the world, you know, think her boob, centered

582
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: her nose and look at that. Like, I don't know

583
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: anyone who hasn't had everything done. You know, I've had

584
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: everything done.

585
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: So it's just it's but you see the statistics. I

586
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: read a lot. I read from morning tonight.

587
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: So the statistics are showing that people want a different

588
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: type of interaction now. They're tired of swiping, they want

589
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: more in person chemistry vibes.

590
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: So it's just I.

591
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: Think we are there, and you're getting there now you're

592
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: learning that that's who you are, you know. I feel

593
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: like this has always been who I was. But I'm

594
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: also coming from the eighties, nineties, two thousands, where if

595
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: a woman said she doesn't want to be married or

596
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: doesn't believe in marriage, they think either she's a lesbian

597
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: of some sort or something must be wrong with her,

598
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: she must have been heartbroken of something. And she was like, nothing, neither.

599
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: I just I want a partnership. I want someone to

600
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: vibe with. I want to be the boss of my home.

601
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: Though I want my child to be mine, I don't

602
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: need to have that. I just want a dude that

603
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: can be my dude, my friend, and we do all

604
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: that relationship stuff. So I went this route. I had

605
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: a donor. I got married once for seven weeks for

606
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: a certain reason, and got married again for one week

607
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: for another reason. You know it's wait, you were married before, Dennis.

608
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was married for seven weeks. How did I

609
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: miss this girl? His name is Shaloon.

610
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: We were married for seven weeks and I filed and

611
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: it was a long, dreadful divorce process, very long.

612
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: He was really upset with me, so he dragged it.

613
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 3: But and not believing in marriage is what I'm hearing, Like,

614
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 3: what made you decide to marry him?

615
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: Schalem needed something, he needed some help with something, and

616
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: we were in a relationship. It was like, you know,

617
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: I'm picking up what you're putting down. Okay, yeah, so

618
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 1: you know I was like okay, but then it turned

619
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: into immediately my wife, my wife, my wife, you're my marriage. WHOA,

620
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: that's not what I signed up for.

621
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: So file I think I said once in my podcasts

622
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: and people were kind of that I don't know if

623
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: I believe in monogamy, but not monog I like to

624
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: start now on this. My friend calls me Tory two

625
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: point zero. I'm just like learning about life, but redefining

626
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 3: words that have been taught to us and defined and like, oh,

627
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,479
Speaker 3: you can google that, here's what it means. It's like, okay,

628
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 3: that's what it. Who told us I'm supposed to mean that?

629
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: Why don't we take words and make it work for us.

630
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 3: So I'm not saying I don't believe in just being

631
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 3: with one partner. I do, like I don't want to

632
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: be with different partners. But I guess it led me

633
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 3: back to the whole connotation of marriage. And I feel

634
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 3: like I see so many relationships that are so good

635
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: and then they fall apart once the they say that

636
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: I do is they signed that paper, and.

637
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I mean, I really don't understand it.

638
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: It's it's I don't understand the concept of marriage. You know,

639
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: it used to be to form you know, treaties and

640
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: combine power and land when we were in caveman kind

641
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: of shit and ruling dynasties and those eras where you know,

642
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: the king of this country wanted to unite with the

643
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: king of this country, so they married their kids to unite.

644
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: Marriage was a business deal, always, always.

645
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: But now it's turned into well, for a while, I

646
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: would say, up until the last five ten years, it

647
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: turned into if you're not married, something's wrong. You're supposed

648
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: to get married. You go to school, if you go

649
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: to college, you get a job.

650
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: You get married, you have kids, and then you die.

651
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: Like that was life. That was the story.

652
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I did all of that except oh my god.

653
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's time to live. It's time to live because

654
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: there's a whole world out there that you know, you

655
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: can do it in any order you want. You don't

656
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: have to even be a part of the order if

657
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: you don't want. I'm not talking about being radical, that's

658
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: a different level, but I mean, if you want to

659
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: be married, get married. If it means something to you

660
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: and it does your partner, do it. But don't expect

661
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Speaker 1: marriage the concept to become this ruling power of love

662
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Speaker 1: and unity forever.

663
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: Nothing's forever nothing.

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Speaker 3: Right now, What do you think of the word emasculating.

665
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Speaker 2: I think I'm very good at it.

666
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 3: Emasculation another form of ejaculation another male like. It's just

667
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 3: I've spent my whole life trying to make men not

668
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 3: feel emasculated to my own demise that. It's like whether

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00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 3: relationship with a partner, whether business, and it sucks.

670
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that must suck. I was never like that fucked out, Sorry,

671
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 2: but I could never.

672
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: I think you are masculating a man by trying to

673
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: not emasculate him, because you are just robbing him of

674
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Speaker 1: actual strength and power by thinking you're giving him that.

675
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: Giving him power is by showing him who you.

676
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: Are, because saying this is what you chose, because that's

677
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: what you're capable of having. Here, I am, this is

678
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: my strength. See how capable you are of having me.

679
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:35,959
Speaker 2: That's how I.

680
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: Consider a man like you are lucky to have me

681
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: in your life. I'm going to make you better.

682
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 3: Can you be my life coach?

683
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, join my tech t put.

684
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 3: A QR code on that if you want.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It was just always like, but men always are like, uh,

687
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: you're not doing it to me, But I feel emasculated

688
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 3: if you're more successful than them.

689
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: That's such a cheesy, man, What does success have to

690
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: do with your manhood?

691
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: I get it. For a long time, men.

692
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: Felt the need to have to be the provider and

693
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Speaker 1: the caretaker.

694
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: And that's okay. In certain places. I allow that because

695
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 2: as far as our species goes, our species is led.

696
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: Man is more powerful than woman is physically, So in

697
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: those things, I do.

698
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 2: Allow a man to feel like he's more physically capable.

699
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: In certain things because truth of this, I may not

700
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: be able to open the jar, and sometimes I might

701
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: be able to, and I'm like, honey, can you open

702
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: this warm? Because I know that that's going to make

703
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: him feel like he's strong, he's.

704
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: Taking care of me. You know. Those things I'm okay with.

705
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 2: But that's as fire as it goes.

706
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm very I'm a Sagittarius, so I'm a very logical person.

707
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: If I'm having sex with a guy, I'm going to leave.

708
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: I'm going to go home. Right after.

709
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to cuddle right away. I want to

710
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: kind of just my space. I want to do my thing.

711
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: Thank you for the evening. I'm not upset, you know

712
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: if I don't get text messages or I don't get

713
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: a callback, and you don't need to say I'm so sorry.

714
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: I understand life happens, you don't.

715
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: You know it's okay. I either make a choice that yes,

716
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: this works for me, or no it doesn't, and I

717
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: walk away my questions for you.

718
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: I could talk to you all day night. I'm like

719
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 2: a robot that Tori.

720
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: I tell you any man way me is will tell you.

721
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: It's not I'm not a heart this, I'm full of

722
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: it heart. I just am logical.

723
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: That's all. Vulnerable though I can't be.

724
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: I think when I'm in a in a situation where

725
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: a man allows me to be fully in my feminine,

726
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: I can finally be vulnerable.

727
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,959
Speaker 3: You know, that's exactly it. When a man allows you

728
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 3: to be in your feminine.

729
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: It's hard because a man himself has to be so

730
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Speaker 1: masculine that he enters his feminine in order for a

731
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: woman to enter hers. So when I am in those situations,

732
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I turn into this most incomfident little

733
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: baby that I want to just feel safe and nurtured.

734
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 2: And but it's very rare. It happens, but it's rare,

735
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: But I would like that. And until I find a.

736
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: Mae who can make me feel that way, I just

737
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Speaker 1: stay single, keep dating.

738
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Speaker 2: I don't date though, How do you fucking date in

739
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: this city?

740
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know either, I don't know.

741
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 3: And at fifty one and suddenly, like, after being in

742
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 3: a relationship for twenty years, I'm like, your relationship.

743
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 2: Was rocky right throughout. You guys had ups and downs.

744
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole time, a lot of a lot of passion.

745
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 3: You know what I got to say, parenting And this

746
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 3: is where you got it right, Like parenting was the

747
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 3: biggest to ruining our relationship. Does that make sense?

748
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: The kids were the.

749
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 3: Greatest part of our relationship because we did. We created

750
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 3: five beings out of love and passion.

751
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: We really did.

752
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: And then suddenly when we had to parent them and

753
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 3: things you never discussed before marriage, parenting styles, or maybe

754
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: you don't even know you have different parenting styles. I

755
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 3: feel like that should be if you're going to be

756
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 3: on an app, it should be like, and you have kids,

757
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 3: you should be like, what's your parenting style? Because it's

758
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 3: just I don't know. I don't know if we can

759
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 3: ever stay with the man we create humans with, right,

760
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: because it changed our relationship and we were those types

761
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: that we were like, we want kids so badly together

762
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 3: and we were both like we were both married before

763
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 3: and he had kids, I didn't, and I we were

764
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 3: just like, I don't want our relationship to change, and.

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00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: It did.

766
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: The moment I got pregnant, everything changed.

767
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: That's interesting when pregnancy change not from having the child.

768
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 3: Correct, because the moment I found out I was pregnant,

769
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Speaker 3: I changed.

770
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 2: Ah, there it is.

771
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: And he didn't even know he was doing this, but

772
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 3: you know, the shift happened.

773
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 2: He was my world.

774
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 3: The focus was on him, and as soon as my

775
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: new world was being created within me, I was all

776
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 3: about that baby. And it's just the dynamics slowly.

777
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Speaker 1: Isn't safe to say I mean without being mean or anything.

778
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 2: But would it be safe to say the narcissist.

779
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: If the tension shifted onto something else that wasn't on

780
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: him anymore?

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00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. But here's what.

782
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 3: I've come to learn about narcissists.

783
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: They come in different and sizes. There's extreme ones, there's

784
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: regular ones.

785
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 3: And there's like so many differ If you look up narcissism,

786
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: there's so many different types of narcissists. Like there's five

787
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 3: I think main types, and the kindest human might fall

788
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 3: into like I don't know if it's called emotional narcissist

789
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 3: or something.

790
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: But it's I don't know. And then are we to

791
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: say or do we? Are we all a little bit narcissistic.

792
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 3: Like in some way to a degree because we think

793
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 3: of narcissism, we're like, oh my god, it's somewhat horrible

794
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 3: and bad, and it's like.

795
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 2: No, but I'll tell you.

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00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: Something that's always said in psychology is that the person

797
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: who wonders if they are narcissist is usually not. Oh,

798
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: if you internally wonder if you are, not externally with conversations,

799
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: I wonder I'm a narcissist. No, no, no, But if you

800
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: actually wonder like I'm a narcissist because I did that,

801
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: that means typically you're probably not, and you're just thinking

802
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: of yourself in a better form and you've placed boundaries.

803
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: A lot of people confuse boundaries and self worth and

804
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: value with narcissism.

805
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: But when you, like you said, you took attention.

806
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: And all of that away immediately, and it went onto

807
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: this human you're creating and your tummy.

808
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: And now he's deprived.

809
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: You know, this thing you were nurturing, this human you

810
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: were taken care of and giving that attention to, and

811
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: is now feeling this deprivation.

812
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: So it just comes differently, I guess. So we went

813
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 2: on and had four.

814
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 3: More, right, and I think what never talked about this

815
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 3: with anyone. I think if we had to really think

816
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 3: about it, perhaps our connection really was it was sexual.

817
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 3: It was wow nice, which is odd because again, what

818
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: am I now? I'm a what's the word?

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Speaker 2: I said? Po sexual? S A p io sabio.

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00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 3: I'm a sapio sexual. Yes, Hi, I'm Torrian, I'm a

821
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Speaker 3: sapio sexual.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Tari, welcome with that press fuckers