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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology with

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Speaker 1: tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello there, everyone,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Poulette and

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Speaker 1: I am the tech editor here at how stuff works

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Speaker 1: dot com. And across from me, sitting there as usual,

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Speaker 1: is Senior Ryan Jonathan Strickland. We control the horizontal. We

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Speaker 1: control the vertical too. Nice. Yeah, Actually, this, this podcast

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Speaker 1: is all about control and lack thereof. No, okay, no,

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Speaker 1: just just control. We're normally out of control on this podcast, right.

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Speaker 1: The genesis of this comes from a little listener mail. Yes,

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Speaker 1: listener mail comes from Josh and not not our Josh,

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Speaker 1: not Josh Josh creepy hands clark. Um, this is different,

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Speaker 1: Josh says, Hey guy, I was just wondering if you

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Speaker 1: could do a podcast explaining Xboxes project and at all

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Speaker 1: and how it works. Thanks Josh. So let's start. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna actually talk about the sort of the future of

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Speaker 1: little time talking about the toll. Yeah. I thought it

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Speaker 1: would be interesting to discuss, like, very very briefly, where

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Speaker 1: they were very simple. I mean on Pong, you had

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Speaker 1: And it's very you know, are sure that's a that's

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Speaker 1: tutsie roll left and right and back again. Okay, stop it, um,

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Speaker 1: but no, yeah, I mean those the paddles were very early.

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Speaker 1: early buttons, and those were used in in arcade games,

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Speaker 1: there used to be these places called arcades. There's still arcades. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: when you see arcade now they're talking about like some

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Speaker 1: What I thought that they took their name from. Are

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Speaker 1: you sure? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. But let you see

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Speaker 1: that Wikipedia page. I'm just kidding. We do not use

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Speaker 1: they had lots and lots of video games that you

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Speaker 1: would exchange either quarters or token in order to play them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of them we're talking about very very

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Speaker 1: simple uh switches. I mean you had them. You had

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Speaker 1: You had the bi directional joystix, which only get left

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Speaker 1: Mario to climb up the ladder. Mario used to go

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Speaker 1: to where they from where they came from, and um,

429
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 1: to where they came from. And so you're just you know,

430
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: you're using your whole body. You're jumping back and forth,

431
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: you're kicking, you're you're swatting your hands. You look like

432
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 1: a crazy person in the middle of this room. If

433
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 1: you were standing on the same side of the room

434
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: as the television, you think this person is having a fit.

435
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: If you were standing behind the person and seeing the television,

436
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: you think, wow, that's really cool. He or she is

437
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 1: blocking all of these digital objects using their own body.

438
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: And depending on where you stood, Like if you stood closer,

439
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 1: you'd be a larger presence, if you stood further away,

440
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 1: you'd be a smaller presents Like it could detect the

441
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: distance that you were at, uh from the from the

442
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: actual screen. So yeah, it wasn't just left right up

443
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: and down and how slow could perceive depth. Um kind

444
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: of a it's kind of a neat little radar kind

445
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 1: of system, although it's not actually using radar. But it

446
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 1: can recognize your face. Yes, it can recognize your face. Um,

447
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: you can. So theoretically you could have a family of

448
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: people who all have profiles on project at all, and

449
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: the game would recognize who was going to be playing

450
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: the game and could set things like even difficulty settings.

451
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: Let's say little Billy is awesome at this boxing game

452
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: on the Xbox three sixty that uses project at All,

453
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: and Dad thinks he's a great boxer, but he's a

454
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: glass joe, So they can't play on the same level

455
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: because if they did, Dad would be knocked unconscious within

456
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: thirty seconds. So when Dad gets out there to play

457
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 1: this game, the game says, oh, let's just turn this

458
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: to nube and Dad will have a fighting chance. So

459
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of the idea here. And uh, the

460
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: neat thing about is not just that you you know,

461
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: like I was saying, the first games I saw, you

462
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: could do things like you're blocking dodgeballs coming at you.

463
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: But they also had a racing game. And in the

464
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: racing game, you sat down and it could still recognize

465
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: that you were there. You put your hands out as

466
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 1: if you were grasping a steering wheel, and you put

467
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: your foot out to indicate your stepping on the gas,

468
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: and this you could race. You know, you turn your

469
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: hands as if you're turning the steering wheel. And your

470
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 1: car turns. You can actually control without holding a controller. Yeah,

471
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 1: it's pretty neat to look at. It's really innovative. Is

472
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 1: it going to take off? I don't know. I mean

473
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: part of it is just that we've kind of grown

474
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: accustomed to using controllers and it seems odd to try

475
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: and control a game just through gestures. Right. Well, you

476
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: know what, that's actually one of the things that the

477
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: Sony engineers said. They said, you know, hey, this is

478
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: the TNAL thing is really cool, we admit, but um,

479
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: actually I don't know that they said that, but they

480
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 1: did say, okay, this isn't at all it is you know,

481
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,239
Speaker 1: you don't use any control at all. We believe that

482
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: people want controllers. We've you know, from what we've done,

483
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: we have learned that people want to hold a controller.

484
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: This is why we came out with the WAND. Yeah, definitely.

485
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: Like I think it's the same thing if you were playing,

486
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 1: say a fencing game. I say you're playing a fencing

487
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: game using either the Sony WAND system or project at all,

488
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: it might feel more natural that with the WAND. Because

489
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 1: you actually have an object in your hand, it's easier

490
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: for you to visualize where the point is going to go.

491
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: You tilt your wrist up or down, and you you

492
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: control the point's very precise. When at all, even if

493
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: it's very good at detecting you know, how your hand,

494
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 1: how you're holding your hand, it's gonna seem weird. You're

495
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: gonna have to judge based upon what you see on

496
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 1: the screen, like, Oh, I guess I'm tilting my my

497
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: wrist up a little higher than I thought it was

498
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: a better tilted down. Uh, it's not gonna necessarily translate

499
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 1: as well, because you don't have something physical in your

500
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 1: hand that you can, you know, quate with what's on

501
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: the screen. So I think that maybe we will eventually

502
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: move there. The question I have is whether or not

503
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: project at all is ahead of its time. Um, maybe

504
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: we need that evolutionary step that the we mote and

505
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: the Sony wand are providing before we can go to

506
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: complete gesture control. Well here's um, here's what I'm thinking.

507
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: I think. Number one, it's kind of funny that something

508
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: that you know that the current generation of consoles. One

509
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: of the reasons Nintendo was sort of counted out at

510
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 1: the beginning was Sony and Microsoft were competing with one

511
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: another to deliver the crispmas graphics and you know, high

512
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: deaf and surround sound experience. You know, the hardcore gamers

513
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: really wanted this immersive experience. And I think that the

514
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: success of the WE style gameplay. Now, I think the

515
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 1: next generation of consoles is going to be about the controllers,

516
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: because I mean, we're you know, the the the machines

517
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: themselves graphically are matching the state of the art, and televisions,

518
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: I mean they're not. They can play on high definition systems,

519
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: although the WEI is behind in that step. Um, but

520
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: I think that that that we finally have gotten to.

521
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: You know, let's go Shakespeare here the plays the thing.

522
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: That's a different play. Yes it was a different play,

523
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: but still, I mean, I think the gameplay majesty should

524
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: be what two is? Why day is day? Night? Night

525
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: and time is time where it's nothing but to waste night,

526
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: day and time? Are you done? Well? It's polonious. He

527
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: doesn't get done for another page? And I know, but

528
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: I know. But the gameplay is is the the experience

529
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: of the gameplay is where it's at right now. And

530
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: I think all three of these manufacturers, I think the

531
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: next console is going to be about gameplay. Now, the

532
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: trick is, uh, you know, is Project at all going

533
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: to give you the same amount of fine control that

534
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: we Motion plus and the Sony PlayStation three controller. It's

535
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: hard to say because so little has been seen of it. Yeah,

536
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: so we don't know that answer. See, here's here's the

537
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: problem I see with that. That premise not that you're wrong.

538
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say that you're wrong because I think

539
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I have no idea, but I

540
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: think I think that the gameplay. I think Nintendo's approach

541
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: the gameplay proves that that is enough to attract people

542
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: to your console. It is not necessarily enough to keep

543
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: people on your console. For that, you need the really

544
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: good software. I think if Nintendo had really, really, like

545
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: if they had managed to keep up on the same

546
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 1: level as the PS three and the Xbox three sixty

547
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: with the games, if their game library were as strong

548
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: as the uh, the other two, then maybe we would

549
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: be able to make an easier conclusion, Because what then

550
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: we could say for sure whether or not Nintendo was

551
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: winning based mainly upon its control system along with the

552
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: game library. It's not an equal footing though, because it's

553
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: game library is lacking It's hard to say what's more important.

554
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: Is it more important that you go and create this

555
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: kind of system that caters to the hardcore gamer, or

556
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: is it more important that you control create a a

557
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: control system that is as inclusive as possible. That's the

558
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: thing that was brilliant about the Wei was that its

559
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: control system was so easy to pick up that you know,

560
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: you have senior citizens who were playing the games. You know,

561
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: you didn't necessarily hear about folks over at the Senior

562
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: citizen home breaking out the Xbox three sixty four little

563
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: Call of Duty. I mean, you know, for one thing,

564
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: that airport level would probably freak them out. I don't know,

565
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: maybe not all of them. Probably some of them were

566
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: in the original version of Call of Duty, which was

567
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: called World War Two. Well yeah, well the current once

568
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking about our modern warfare where saw this small

569
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: squad stuff? But no, no, no, yes, I've been getting

570
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: back to right, like this game is this game is

571
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: giving me flashbacks? Um, I get that every time I

572
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: play Sonic anyway, So I had a Hedgehog problem when

573
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: I was younger. I'll go into it in another podcast.

574
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: The but but yeah, because the game, because it doesn't

575
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: have the library. It's hard to say. Is the the

576
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: user interface enough to to attract and keep people with

577
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: your console? Um, but I think once we see the

578
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: Wand and the Tall come out, if those systems not

579
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: only are successful, but people develop really good games to

580
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: go along with those systems take advantage of the capabilities,

581
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: then maybe we will actually see an evolution or true

582
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: evolution of the video game console system. Because really, I know,

583
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: you can always go you know, higher definition and faster processors.

584
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: I mean, there's always that that place, But eventually you're

585
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: gonna hit a hit a law of diminishing returns where yeah,

586
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: the improvement is there, but is that enough for people

587
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: to say this is a game system worth owning? Because uh, look,

588
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: this helmet looks twelve more realistic than it did on

589
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: the old system. Well on the next generation of consoles,

590
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm I can I could guess that what's going to

591
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: succeed is a combination of you know, high end capabilities

592
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: plus an awesome control system, plus the library games. I

593
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: hope that all three of them make it through, yeah,

594
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: because I mean they're the competition is obviously doing all

595
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: three of them good, and those of us who buy

596
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: the consoles as well because we have the opportunity to

597
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: play these really cool games. We should also point out

598
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: that some people have suggested that things like the Sony

599
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: Wand and Project at all. Uh, the real reason that

600
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: they're coming out, I'm not necessarily saying this, but this

601
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: has been said. But the real reason they're coming out

602
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: is just to extend the life of both of those

603
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: consoles um so that you know, because people have talked

604
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: about the PS three it was supposedly having a ten

605
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: year lifespan, Yeah, which I mean the PS two, they're

606
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: still games coming out for that, so, I mean, it's

607
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: it's completely believable, so that people have some people have

608
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: suggested that these these new systems are really just a

609
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: way to kill time before they have to come out

610
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: with whatever the next you know, mind blowing video game

611
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: system will be, whether it's the PS four and Xbox

612
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: seven twenty or whatever they're gonna be. Uh, if there

613
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: anything like the current generation, they're going to be extremely

614
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: expensive to develop and manufact after the first ones. Yeah, well,

615
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: I mean, if you always want to try and get

616
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: the most out of whatever hardware you're putting out as possible,

617
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, Microsoft, they still need to make

618
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: an Xbox three sixty that doesn't break out, dude, Like

619
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: when you're breaking rate rage is close, you have got

620
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: a serious problem. I am an Xbox fanboy, Okay, I

621
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: make no apologies for it, but man, that red ring

622
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: of death stuff that is out of control. So um,

623
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into a long thing here

624
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: because we probably need to wrap this up. But I'm

625
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: also interested to see what this means for PC gaming.

626
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously that's a different audience, but I wonder

627
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: if any of this is going to make it over

628
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: to the computer. And well, another thing what we should

629
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: mention is that Microsoft has has said that they hope

630
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: to include just your controls within Windows operating systems, so

631
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: not just games, but also other applications. So this could

632
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: actually make it over into say office. So well, you

633
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: think about any like, you know, it's like like Minority Report.

634
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: You know, you move your hands around and you can,

635
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, think about we've got the surface, Yeah, exactly,

636
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: You've got to think of it. You know, just say

637
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: I have like a wall of photos and you flick

638
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: your hand around and you scatter the photos around, or

639
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: you pick a specific one you gesture and it expands

640
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: very much the same sort of thing as multi touch

641
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: on screens like the iPhone or whatever, except that you

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Speaker 1: But we can We'll want to do a podcast, a

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Speaker 1: uh push along, Like virtual reality is the number one

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Speaker 1: All right, well, um, let's wrap this up. I guess

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Speaker 1: what we can do is we can do another tiny

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Speaker 1: little uh listener mail. This is your mail comes from loop.

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Speaker 1: Loop said, hey, on the mr Fusion thing, the car's

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Speaker 1: flight was powered by the mr Fusion and it was electrical.

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Speaker 1: The lightning at the end of part two damaged it.

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Speaker 1: It was in Duc's letter. Also, that thing you spoke

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Speaker 1: of about seeing information about people and their company and

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Speaker 1: online conversations the opposite the future, well, it was predicted

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Speaker 1: stock quotes when their company also be careful using that

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Speaker 1: way back. Machinist Peabody stated the time machine was too tricky,

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Speaker 1: that into perspective on the tech. April Fools Gags I

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Speaker 1: and the head fool's folks believing it also Hello Loop

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Speaker 1: that Loop, you are a wordy person. You also have

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Speaker 1: a really interesting tone. I don't know how that came through.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where that came from. That was that.

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Speaker 1: of Molly Wood there, although she does an amazing nerd voice.

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Speaker 1: Um and loop. I don't mean to suggest you're a nerd.

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Speaker 1: I'm a nerd. I just as I was reading and

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Speaker 1: I was like, this is how I would say it

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Speaker 1: you're right, So part of me gets all snoughty because

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Speaker 1: Gosh to think that I got something wrong about a

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Speaker 1: I feel really terrible about myself. All right, guys, Well,

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Speaker 1: Um well, our email address is tech stuff at how

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Speaker 1: Um lots of interesting stuff on the blogs. It's not

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