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Speaker 2: It's The Herd in for Colin. I'm Doug Gottlieb. Welcome, Welcome,

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Speaker 2: Welcome in. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving. Hope you

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Speaker 2: just had a wonderful Thanksgiving. This is the first time

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Speaker 2: I've had all three of my kids in Green Bay

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Speaker 2: with me, and it's it's pretty cool, all right, just

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Speaker 2: so different. I've had each of them have been spend

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Speaker 2: plenty of time here in the past, but having them

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Speaker 2: all kind of with me and experiencing being a kid

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Speaker 2: of a coach and having them buy a practice and

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Speaker 2: having them with my team fascinating. I hope you got

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Speaker 2: a chance to catch up with family. Hope you got

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Speaker 2: a chance to have a good meal and watch them football.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about sports for the next two hours. We

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Speaker 2: do have Sean Merriman up coming this hour. Lights Out well,

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Speaker 2: Jonas will get his thoughts on what the heck's wrong

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Speaker 2: with Lamar Jackson. I'll give my own thoughts on what's

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Speaker 2: wrong with Lamar Jackson upcoming, but let's talk about the

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Speaker 2: other side of that. The Bengals took down the Ravens

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Speaker 2: late last night, and we praised Joe Burrow for his play,

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Speaker 2: but more than anything for just playing right. Here's Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow on his playing for the first time since week two.

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Speaker 3: It had to knock some rust off there in the

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Speaker 4: But it was great to be back out there.

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Speaker 3: I was, you know, a lot of emotions run through

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Speaker 3: good to be back with the guy. You know, anytime

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Speaker 3: you can get a big win like this, it's uh,

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Speaker 3: it's exciting. And guys work really hard for this. You know,

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Speaker 3: work really hard to go out and put on good

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Speaker 2: It should feel good. It should feel good, and you

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Speaker 2: feel good about him being rewarded for playing when you

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Speaker 2: know plenty of people in society would give him an

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Speaker 2: out for not playing. Ah, you're not gonna make the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: They can't ever protect You're always getting hurt. Why would

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Speaker 2: you even play? And when your coaches? You know, what

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Speaker 2: it says to me is is two things. One, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is a guy that's true leadership, right, anyone

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Speaker 2: But you make all that money as a quarterback to

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Speaker 2: have to play hard, or to play when you don't

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Speaker 2: have to play. I'll give you the sports radio analogy, Jase,

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Speaker 2: do you know this to be true? You know, at

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Speaker 2: some people have told me before, like morning shows are

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Speaker 2: pretty well compensated. Right in local radio, it's always been

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Speaker 2: morning and afternoon drive. And they'll tell you, like a

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Speaker 2: morning show isn't You're not getting paid necessarily for talking

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Speaker 2: The same as true at quarterback. You're not just getting

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Speaker 2: anytime you're available. That's what true leadership is. And it's

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Speaker 2: weird like we've gotten to this place to where Joe

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Speaker 2: The other part to it is that it shows you

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Speaker 2: That's what shows me, because if you don't want that

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Speaker 2: and he doesn't necessarily have to, he wants to, it

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Speaker 2: So I mean, I think I think both of those

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Speaker 2: that's the football player. Football players play football. It's kind

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Speaker 2: And I'll give you one more thing than it does.

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Speaker 2: says that quarterback is the most important position in the league.

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Speaker 2: Like Joe Burrow who didn't play great, but simply his presence,

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Speaker 2: and they can still not win. Joe Burrow can be

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Speaker 2: Can't say that Jamar Chase quarterback just a more impactful,

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Speaker 2: literally is that important and in order to be a

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Speaker 2: Cam Newton, right. Cam Newton famously in the Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: he was he was eviscerated by the press, rightfully so,

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Speaker 2: I gotta worry about my legs, my knees. In other words,

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Speaker 2: his legs, his knees are more important than his team

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Speaker 2: Newton what he said recently, which is you know on ESPN.

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Speaker 2: On ESPN he said, or maybe it was was on

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Speaker 2: a podcast Chase Too, where he said personal success is

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Speaker 2: more important because you make more money based upon as Yeah,

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Speaker 2: hey it, personal success is more important than than team's

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Speaker 2: success because that's how you get paid. That's how everyone knows.

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Speaker 2: You're not really a leader when you're about yourself more

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Speaker 2: than everybody else and more than winning. Everybody sees through that.

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Speaker 2: Real leadership, the real stuff is what Joe Burrow's doing.

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Speaker 2: This is what Joe Burrow's do you know I've said

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Speaker 2: this honestly about Mike. About Mike Trout, like in many

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Speaker 2: Here's Cam Newton like a week and a half ago

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Speaker 5: Would you rather being a spot where you can individually achieve,

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Speaker 5: have success, have statistics and lose or would you want

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Speaker 5: to be someone that contributes to a team that can win.

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Speaker 4: A super Bow?

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Speaker 2: And I'm glad you asked that.

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Speaker 6: When you're talking about individual play, this is how I

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Speaker 6: this is how I take.

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Speaker 2: Care of my family. Team success don't take care of

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Speaker 6: About it from a personal standpoint, of course, we want

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Speaker 2: Of both worlds.

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Speaker 7: But if you're asking me what gives you extensions, what

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Speaker 7: gives you top tier money, what gives you certain things,

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Speaker 7: there are some more players that have rings, championships and things.

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Speaker 6: That are struggling rather than solo quote unquote bus that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's not true. That's actually the opposite of

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Speaker 2: what the truth is. But it also shows that Cam

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Speaker 2: Newton is about Cam Newton, which again you're allowed to be.

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Speaker 2: It just doesn't make you a leader of my team

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Speaker 2: or most teams, or quarterback. And I'm not making Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow out to be a hero. I think that's the

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Speaker 2: crazy thing about our society is we've gotten into this

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Speaker 2: the playoffs are on the line, Like why, huh? Doesn't

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Speaker 2: work that way? Not the way it works in radio.

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Speaker 2: show up on time every day. In being a quarterback,

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Speaker 2: you can't just lead when it's convenient for you to lead.

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Speaker 2: And if you're about yourself, that's not leadership. That's not leadership.

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Speaker 2: Every guy hits that moment you feel it, less drive,

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Speaker 2: told you last week or earlier this week again, I get

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Speaker 2: I'm I know it's Friday only because yesterday was Thanksgiving

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Speaker 2: which is on Thursday. But you love to make fun

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Speaker 2: of gen Z. I kind of think this is a

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Speaker 2: gen X thing, right, because our generation constantly makes fun

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Speaker 2: of gen Z for only working when they want to work.

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Speaker 2: But our generation came up with many of these ideas,

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Speaker 2: especially in sports, of load management, to guys missing games

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Speaker 2: we're hypocrites for now champion a guy for doing something

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Speaker 8: In my take on gen Z has everything to do

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Speaker 8: with you and me, we as parents, our generation as

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Speaker 8: parents has made gen Z into the most entitled generation

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Speaker 8: of all time, the generation that doesn't want to stay

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Speaker 8: in one job, that seems to think that work needs

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Speaker 8: to be fun and you need to make friends or

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Speaker 8: else it's not a job. All these things are true,

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Speaker 8: but you're right, they're our fault. And the current system

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Speaker 8: in place right now for sports was created by coaches

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Speaker 8: of our generation. Whether so the whole load management thing

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs. What's gone so wrong for them?

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Speaker 2: home followed up with a with a dud on the

432
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Speaker 2: road beat the Steelers loose the Jags, but then they

433
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Speaker 2: have a bye week to get themselves right. Well, best

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Speaker 2: guess on what it looks like with the Chargers at

435
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Speaker 2: home against the Silper and Black this weekend.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this bye week couldn't come at a better time

437
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Speaker 4: for them, not just health wise, but just a reset button.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I think more catastrophic things that happened

439
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Speaker 4: to one team, maybe an NFL history where you have

440
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Speaker 4: Rashaun Slayer go down for the year before the season started,

441
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Speaker 4: arguably probably the best tackle in football. You got Joe

442
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Speaker 4: who got moved to the left side, he goes down

443
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Speaker 4: for the year, Marion goes down, now, Gie Harris Khalil

444
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Speaker 4: Mack down for weeks. I mean, they were decimated and

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Speaker 4: they found a way to still put themselves in position,

446
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Speaker 4: which is very hard to do. Now, what they have

447
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Speaker 4: to do is stay consistent, right, you can't have a

448
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Speaker 4: game like Jacksonville and then you know, come back and

449
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Speaker 4: now you're all this total different team. You have to

450
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Speaker 4: stay consistent and the rest of the season. But help

451
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Speaker 4: was and I'm not making an excuses, but help was

452
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Speaker 4: such a big factor with these guys and what the

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Speaker 4: position they.

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Speaker 2: Are now, no question about it. There's just there's there's

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Speaker 2: no way around it. They haven't been healthy and it

456
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Speaker 2: did catch up to them. Doug Gottlieban for Collins. I

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Speaker 2: heard Sean Merriman is our guest. Okay, your next fight

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Speaker 2: card is what is it? It's a week from tomorrow night,

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Speaker 2: is it? No, it's on the sixth, right, Yeah, said so,

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Speaker 2: a week from Saturday night in Longbeach, Lights Out twenty nine.

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Speaker 2: What's the card look like?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we got we got sixteen fights lined up. Also,

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Speaker 4: we got a big, big broadcasting deal we're gonna announce

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Speaker 4: here for Latin America sometime next week. You know, just

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Speaker 4: the growth we've had in this in this year and

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Speaker 4: then next week is it's one of our biggest cars

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Speaker 4: we've had. I think what four or five guys in

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Speaker 4: the last two months go to the USC or Dana

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Speaker 4: White Contender Series. Uh so we're constantly sending guys up

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Speaker 4: there to the USC. But this car we got Long

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Speaker 4: Beach December sixth. Anybody in socoo you want to make

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Speaker 2: Shan, You're the best man. Happy Thanksgiving to you, look

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Speaker 2: forward to lights Out twenty nine and in Long Beach.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Happy Thanksgiving guys.

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Speaker 2: Thanks all right, let me get you to Jason Stewart

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Speaker 2: with herd Line News. No, no, turn on the news.

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Speaker 9: This is the herd Line News.

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Speaker 4: Kay, Doug up.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the Egg Bowl is on right now. Mississippi State

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Speaker 8: Ole miss The last we checked in an hour ago,

487
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Speaker 8: it was fourteen to seven. Twenty one points were scored

488
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Speaker 8: in the first five or six minutes of this game.

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Speaker 8: It's still fourteen to seven. There's been a little bit

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Speaker 8: of violence on the field. They had to stop play

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Speaker 8: after a fumble and a scrum and some violence. Typical

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Speaker 8: rivalry week. But maybe the maybe the fight had something

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Speaker 8: to do with Lane Kiffin and his exchange with ESPN's

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Speaker 8: Marty Smith before the game. Smith uh, Kiffin just to

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Speaker 8: kind of sum up this rivalry, and Wayne went here.

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Speaker 4: Well, you can hear these fans already out here, and.

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Speaker 2: So this would be a great game today.

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Speaker 8: It's a very passionate or rivalry. I mean shoot at

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Speaker 8: ten o'clock last night, luckily, our.

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Speaker 1: Great Ken Krane, our equipment manager put cameras, secret cameras

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Speaker 1: and locker room.

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Speaker 5: So we could watch to Mississippi State break into our

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Speaker 5: locker room and start stealing things.

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Speaker 4: We reported to Mississippi State.

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Speaker 5: They said, we'll put security, and how about this At

506
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Speaker 5: three o'clock in the ring they break in again and

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Speaker 5: take Trinidad's jersey.

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Speaker 1: So I guess you expect nothing last with these people.

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Speaker 8: I now what goes into this dog? Have you ever

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Speaker 8: had your equipment guy put a camera in the visiting

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Speaker 8: locker room to uh to see if it don't you

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Speaker 8: still know?

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Speaker 2: But this is the rivalry game. Where was the last

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Speaker 2: coaches Mississippi State or was it Ole miss Where the

515
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Speaker 2: where the kid in the end zone? Did the dog

516
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Speaker 2: being on some and then that was a bad look.

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Speaker 2: This is not the most class filled rivalry. I mean, listen,

518
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Speaker 2: credit to the camera putting cameras in the locker room.

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Speaker 2: But that that footage, it's like body cam footage. We

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Speaker 2: got to see it, got to get it, got to

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Speaker 2: expose him on social media.

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Speaker 8: I'm trying to think of that. What was the what

523
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Speaker 8: was the old show about breaking into the rivals campus

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Speaker 8: and stealing an animal or something?

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Speaker 2: Well, there's lots of them, but I mean, I think

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Speaker 2: the most famous one in my childhood was Pastime's Ridgemont

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Speaker 2: High when they pretended to it was Roosevelt was the

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Speaker 2: guy's name, right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I thought they just flew him in on the weekends.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, But they crashed his car and they spray

532
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Speaker 2: painted on it and said it was the art trials

533
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Speaker 2: that did it, and they destroyed the football team.

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Speaker 8: My brother is gonna do this and he's gonna kill us.

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Speaker 8: Which one is he gonna do? Is he gonna do that?

536
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Speaker 8: Is he gonna kill us? He's got an amazing set

537
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Speaker 8: of tools. So Colts quarterback Daniel Jones was initially on

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Speaker 8: the injury part this week for a calf injury, but

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Speaker 8: CBS's Tracy Wolfson is reporting that Jones is in fact

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Speaker 8: dealing with a fibula injury, a fracture in a fibula

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Speaker 8: he's not expected to miss any time. Now, this combines

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Speaker 8: a couple of things that you really like. You really

543
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Speaker 8: like the anatomy, and you up until recently really enjoyed

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Speaker 8: watching people break bones. So what do you think of

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Speaker 8: Daniel Jones playing with a fracture and as fibula.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, there's there's a there's a lot to it. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you're talking about I've I don't enjoy people breaking bones.

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Speaker 2: But I am the type person that if there's a

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Speaker 2: graphic injury, I'm not a lookaway guy. I'm a I

550
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Speaker 2: gotta see that again guy. Now, we had one of

551
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Speaker 2: those really really graphic injuries, and I definitely feel differently

552
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Speaker 2: about it having seen one up close and personal. Are

553
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Speaker 2: you're like, ooh, because it can't be unseen when you

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Speaker 2: see it in person, it just can't, and or in

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Speaker 2: photos even But I think it's interesting, right, like the misdiagnosis,

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Speaker 2: and when you hear fibula fraction, like when he's got

557
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Speaker 2: a broken leg and he's playing, it's like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'd have to have it explained to me. But I'm

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Speaker 2: guessing it's some part of non wearing, non weight bearing

560
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Speaker 2: part of the bone. But Daniel Jones has gone from

561
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Speaker 2: like the most maligned starting quarterback in the NFL last

562
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Speaker 2: year with the Giants to this like heroic, like canonized figure.

563
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Speaker 2: Now he's playing on a broken leg leading the Colts

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Speaker 2: to the playoffs. And oh yeah, by the way, Colt

565
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Speaker 2: Stands want to give him new contract because he's a dude.

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Speaker 2: What an amazing turnaround for Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 8: No, it's been one of the stories of the year.

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Speaker 8: And yeah, you must admit at the past month or

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Speaker 8: so he's kind of regressed a little bit. The turns

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Speaker 8: are coming more as we've seen him in his career. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: and he's he's literally playing for his next contract. The

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Speaker 8: Colts seem to be the team that might be willing

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Speaker 8: to give him that contract. So playing through an energy

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Speaker 8: I think speaks a lot here. And also, when you're

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Speaker 8: talking about like Daniel Jones and the Colts being one

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Speaker 8: of the best stories of the year, you have to

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Speaker 8: talk about Jonathan Taylor's impact on this team and what

578
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Speaker 8: in a dynamic running back can do to someone's career

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Speaker 8: who has seemingly kind of turned things around.

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Speaker 2: Sure, sure, no, I mean saves his career, saving year

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Speaker 2: for not just for him for gentle manager and for coach.

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Speaker 2: All of them, like Shane Seigen, has been a great

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Speaker 2: play caller going back to his days with the Chargers

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Speaker 2: when he took over there. But he's being recognized as

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Speaker 2: such because no one can believe that Daniel Jones was

586
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Speaker 2: was this good.

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Speaker 8: They kind of ironically referred to Danny as Danny Dimes

588
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Speaker 8: and then this year when he seemed legit was changed

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Speaker 8: to Danny dallars. I prefer Indiana Jones, but with a

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Speaker 8: little bit of regression, I'm going to change the nickname

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Speaker 8: this week to Danny fifty cent piece. That's going to

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Speaker 8: be his nickname for this week and see how he

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Speaker 8: does with that. Now, A gain this on the schedule today,

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Speaker 8: and it does sound foreign, but at the same time,

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Speaker 8: it seems like we've had a Black Friday NFL game

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Speaker 8: our entire lives. But no, this is a third installment

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Speaker 8: of a Black Friday NFL game. It actually starts at

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Speaker 8: what three pm Eastern here, just getting on the way

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Speaker 8: in the ninety minutes, Caleb Williams and the Bears visit

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Speaker 8: the Eagles. I think it's law. Now the legislation passed.

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Speaker 4: The law.

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Speaker 8: You have to talk about the Bears and Caleb Williams

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Speaker 8: in this time space on this show. One thing you

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Speaker 8: probably didn't know, or maybe our listeners didn't know, is

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Speaker 8: that Caleb Williams has not had a three hundred plus

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Speaker 8: yard game this season. Eagles have been giving up a

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Speaker 8: lot of yards in the air of recent in recent games,

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Speaker 8: so they're thinking maybe Caleb will put his best performance

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Speaker 8: up there. They are getting seven points in Philly. How

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Speaker 8: do you see this?

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Speaker 2: I have no idea. Again, I have no idea because

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Speaker 2: the level of competition the Bears that play has not

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Speaker 2: been that of the Eagles. On the other hand, that

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Speaker 2: I think sometimes we view the Eagles as better than

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Speaker 2: they actually are. If I'm a betting man, especially if

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Speaker 2: I can get if I get a half point, I mean,

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Speaker 2: the Eagles feels like every game is close. I mean,

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Speaker 2: think about here's their wins this year twenty four to twenty,

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Speaker 2: twenty to seventeen, thirty three, twenty six, thirty one, twenty five,

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Speaker 2: twenty eight to twenty two. The Giants are the only

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Speaker 2: team they blew out thirty eight to twenty. That's after

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Speaker 2: losing the Giants on the road, but the Packers by three,

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Speaker 2: ten to seven. The Lions sixteen to nine. So if

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Speaker 2: I'm a betting man, I have no idea how good

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Speaker 2: the Bears actually are. But I have no confidence in

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Speaker 2: the Eagles ability to put more than a touchdown between

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Speaker 2: them and anyone competitively in the NFL. I'm gonna take

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the points and take the Bears.

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Speaker 8: Of the many things that Cowherd has said about the

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Speaker 8: Bears this year, one of them is this team comes

631
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Speaker 8: from behind. So the Eagles tend to punch in the

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Speaker 8: mouth early and they'll let you come back. And then

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Speaker 8: the Bears finish off games. They're winning all the close

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Speaker 8: games at the last couple of minutes. So if it's

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Speaker 8: close late, advantage Bears, I will say, and that's the

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Speaker 2: feast week tournaments? I know a guy who coached the

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Speaker 2: He'll join us or host this next.

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Speaker 9: Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays

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Speaker 9: at noon Easter not a im pacific.

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Speaker 2: Or maybe making us part your day tongue so much.

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Speaker 2: Gotta be back on Monday. Egg Bowl taking place right now.

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Speaker 2: And of course we got NFL football two and a

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Speaker 2: half hours away dot dot dot dot. So this is

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Speaker 2: feast week. And for people who listen to my show,

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Speaker 2: The Doug Gottlieb Show, which follows the show, you're like, hey,

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Speaker 2: weren't you offered this week? Weren't you in the US

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Speaker 2: for Zallance? The answer is yes, yes, yes you were.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I think what people don't understand is

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Speaker 2: how tricky scheduling is. I've always been a bit of

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Speaker 2: a scheduling kind of a fanatic, if you will, in

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Speaker 2: that I mean, you know, take the Bears like it. Yes,

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Speaker 2: the Bears are eight and three and they're taking on

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Speaker 2: the Eagles. The Eagles have played a far more difficult schedule,

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Speaker 2: so it's really hard to tell how good the Bears are,

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Speaker 2: how good the Eagles are. College sports even more so.

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Speaker 2: Right in addition to not knowing who you have and

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Speaker 2: most everybody, at least in basketball, having a having a

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Speaker 2: new team, we have ten new players, ten new players.

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Speaker 2: In addition to having a new team, you know, you

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Speaker 2: don't know who's healthy, you haven't figured out kind of

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Speaker 2: your rotations, and you're playing you know. I'll just give

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Speaker 2: you a example in our league, in the Horizon League,

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Speaker 2: Oakland's record is like two in six or two and seven,

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Speaker 2: but they've literally played like four of the best teams

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Speaker 2: in the country. We went down to the Virgin Islands

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Speaker 2: with only one win, but our losses were to Kansas

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Speaker 2: on the road, Buffalo, who's undefeated on the road, Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: Saint Thomas is gonna win the Summit League. Like well,

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Speaker 2: we played four really good teams. We didn't play well

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Speaker 2: against Saint Thomas, played well against Minnesota, didn't play well

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Speaker 2: against Kansas. But it's hard to tell. But these things

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Speaker 2: can be really good or can go really bad. Right

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Speaker 2: really good in if you win a couple of games

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Speaker 2: and you're in warmer weather and you know your boosters around,

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Speaker 2: it can be one that really unites you. It can

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Speaker 2: go really bad with your around the boosters and when

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Speaker 2: you lose, especially you know at least one team in

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Speaker 2: these eight team events goes zero to three and you

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Speaker 2: go in three. It's not just that you go in three,

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Speaker 2: and it hurts your confidence and hurts your ability to

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Speaker 2: relate to guys and say like, hey not because there

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Speaker 2: they'll they'll lack confidence in what you're doing. They'll be like, well,

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Speaker 2: we're not winning, so you don't know what you're doing,

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Speaker 2: even if they're not the ones doing what you want

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Speaker 2: them to do. But then you have your donors, your

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Speaker 2: president or a d they're all around as well, and

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Speaker 2: when things go bad and nobody's happy, and instead of

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Speaker 2: being uniting trip, it can be a dividing trip. It's

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Speaker 2: like it's like a fascinating kind of subset, subculture of

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Speaker 2: the culture that is college basketball. So yeah, we went

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Speaker 2: to Saint Thomas. It is a long trip chase to

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Speaker 2: but it was man and it helped that we won

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Speaker 2: a couple of games and we played much better. It

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Speaker 2: was a long trip.

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Speaker 8: Long imagine doing that trip and not playing as well

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Speaker 8: as you have.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh my gosh, I can't imagine. I can't imagine what.

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Speaker 8: A different year makes. By the way, and you know

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Speaker 8: everything I'm about to say, Doug can't say it, so

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna say it. A year ago, Doug was getting

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Speaker 8: kicked in the teeth on a daily basis on social media.

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Speaker 8: Neither Doug nor I had any idea the number of

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Speaker 8: people out there just waiting for him to fail in

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Speaker 8: some regard. It was interesting theater and I felt bad,

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Speaker 8: and they've been definitely silent. Each of you that stood

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Speaker 8: in line to kick Doug in the teeth a year ago,

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Speaker 8: you owe it to yourselves and your own dignity to

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Speaker 8: put something on social media right now that says maybe

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Speaker 8: I was wrong. I'm not saying Doug's gonna win twenty games.

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Speaker 8: I'm just saying that he has turned things around and

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Speaker 8: it's a great college basketball story.

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Speaker 4: Right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not willing to go there yet. I mean again,

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Speaker 2: I know we're doing the right things. I know we're

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Speaker 2: going to be better and then eventually we'll get this

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Speaker 2: thing where it's supposed to be. And I appreciate it,

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Speaker 2: but it's just you. You are right, It's just I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 6: It.

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Speaker 2: It Also, I also understand how so many of these

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Speaker 2: other coaches. You know, when you first years for anybody

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Speaker 2: is hard. We played iona their coaches in their first

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Speaker 2: year and they've had some success, and but it's still

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Speaker 2: it's your first year that everything is new, especially when

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Speaker 2: you come to the college game. And even for guys

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Speaker 2: who've been doing this for thirty forty years, this is

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Speaker 2: a new way of doing something they've been doing for

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Speaker 2: a long time. And so you know every part of

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Speaker 2: your metal is gonna be gonna be tested. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: what a difference a year makes? What difference a week

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Speaker 2: and a half makes or two weeks makes, and and

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Speaker 2: then you can just see it in your player's eyes.

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Speaker 2: Like you can't concern yourself with fans because they don't know,

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Speaker 2: but you can see it in the player's eyes, and

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Speaker 2: like all it takes as a winn or two and

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Speaker 2: they start to go, like, you know, this might actually work,

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Speaker 2: Not that they didn't believe previously, but I mean, here's

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Speaker 2: one thing, Jason, that I thought and or I knew

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Speaker 2: to be true, but it's been completely confirmed in the

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Speaker 2: last week and a half is confidence is kind of

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Speaker 2: everything for athletes. And I had a player's names justin Allen.

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Speaker 2: He's a Division III transfer from Carnegie Mellon, So he

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Speaker 2: turned down a Carnegie Mellon degree to come play basketball

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Speaker 2: for me. He's a wonderful kid, but through exhibition games

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Speaker 2: he was so nervous, and against Kansas felt like he

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Speaker 2: was nervous, and he just wasn't at either end doing

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Speaker 2: things that we wanted him to do. So when we

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Speaker 2: lost to Buffalo, I mean we could have used him.

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Speaker 2: He's tremendous player. I didn't play him a minute. But

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Speaker 2: now he's back, He's got his confidence back, and he

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Speaker 2: scored twenty seven and twenty eight in our last two

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Speaker 2: games against really good opponents. And I think I attest

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Speaker 2: most of it to his confidence, his own personal self confidence.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy how how much that can affect you. Every

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Speaker 2: we should. Next in the Herd