1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome. It is verdict or Senator Ted Cruz ben Ferguson 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: with you. Senator. It was a lot of headlines that 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: kind of came out of nowhere from the FBI Director 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: Ray and he had a lot to say in the 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: sit down interview with Brett bear Over at Fox News. 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 1: And I want to get your reaction first off, to 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: the FBI Director's inability to answer a very straightforward question 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: about January the sixth and possible FBI informants here is 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: what he was asked and his lack of response, well 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: confidence in them and the other Twitter question we get 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: a lot is did the FBI have undercover agents or 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: paid informants or assets among the mob that stormed the 13 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: capital on January sets Well, as I'm sure you can appreciate, Brett, 14 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: I can't really appropriately talk about when, where, and how 15 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: we use confidential informants. Is it classified? Well, we have 16 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: information that is about any number of topics that is 17 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: law enforcement sensitive. But you should not read into my 18 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: inability to answer a question because of my obligations as 19 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: that as a clue or a hint in any way 20 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: about how accurate your reader's tweet this I mean, Senator, 21 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: that's not a very good answer for a lot of Americans, 22 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: that one answers. We are getting a lot of the 23 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: footage it's going to come out of January sixth. Speak 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: of the House. Kevin McCarthy's talked about being transparent. He 25 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: believes it was politicized January sixth. Of January sixth committee 26 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: was politicized. Are you satisfied with Director Ray's response? Absolutely? Not. 27 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: That was a ridiculous answer. And listen, there is a 28 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: fundamental problem at the FBI and at the Department of Justice. 29 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: It's something that we've talked about a lot on this podcast, 30 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: which is that DOJ and the FBI have been profoundly politicized. 31 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: The last book I wrote, Justice Corrupted, How the Left 32 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: is weaponized legal system. And by the way, I would 33 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: encourage folks go buy that book, I detail how first 34 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: Barack Obama and now Joe Biden have turned dj and 35 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: the FBI into partisan tools they used to attack their enemies. 36 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: On January sixth, in particular, there are enormous questions about 37 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: the responsibility, the culpability of the FBI and the DOJ. 38 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: What did they know, what was their involvement? And listen, 39 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: let me say something about Chris Ray. So I've known 40 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: Chris Ray a long long time when I came out 41 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: of law school. I graduated law school in nineteen ninety 42 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: five and the first judge I clerked for was a 43 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: judge named Jay Michael Ludig. He was at the time 44 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: the top conservative federal appellate judge of the country. Judge 45 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: Ludig and I were very, very close. He was like 46 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: a second father to me. Judge Ludig was a very 47 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: young judge. He was forty one years old. He had 48 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: been on the Federal Court of Appeals for five years. 49 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: He was appointed by George Herbert Walker Bush at age 50 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: thirty six, so he was the youngest federal appellate judge 51 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: in the country. Judge Ludig had been Antonin Scalia's very 52 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: first law clerk the first year Antonin Scalia was on 53 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: the DC Circuit Court of Appeals. And so Judge Ludig 54 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: was someone who was just He was an incredible judge. 55 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: He taught me. He was really the first person after 56 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: law school to teach me how to be a lawyer. 57 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: So I knew Chris Ray because Chris clerked for Judge Ludig. 58 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: I think it was three years before I did so. 59 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: I was the fifth year Judge Leigue was on the court. 60 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: I believe Chris was the second year Judge Ludig was 61 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: on the court. And I've known Chris a long time. 62 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: Chris is a good guy. He's a very smart lawyer. 63 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: He's a very decent man. He loves America. Chris is 64 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: not a left wing activist. But I will tell you 65 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: I've been incredibly disappointed with the job Chris Ray has 66 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: done as the head of the FBI. And the reason, 67 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: and I've had this conversation with Chris directly more than once. 68 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: The reason is Chris is fundamentally he's a company man. 69 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: He's someone who believes his job is defend the FBI. 70 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: That his responsibility. He's someone who has been at DJ 71 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: a long long time. He was the head of the 72 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: Criminal Division under George Herbert Walker Bush. He was someone 73 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: who was a prosecutor for a long time. And he 74 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: believes his responsibility is whatever the career lawyers the FBI 75 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: has done, he needs to circle the wagons and defend them. 76 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: And I have had energetic, at he even screaming conversations 77 00:04:55,440 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: with Chris where I've said, listen, you are not helping 78 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: the FBI. When you are defending Democrat partisans who have 79 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: corrupted the FBI, who have turned it into a weapon 80 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: to advance the political interests of partisan democrats, it doesn't 81 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: help the institutions. It weakens the institution. And on this question, listen, 82 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: it is a matter of enormous public import to know 83 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: whether the FBI had informants in the January six riots 84 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: and what role they played, and as a matter of accountability, 85 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: the public interest is massive. Now Chris doesn't want to 86 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: answer that. The FBI doesn't want to answer that because 87 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: the obvious inference from their refusal to answer that is yes, 88 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: they had FBI informants that participated in the And the 89 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: question that arises from that, and this is something I 90 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: talk about at length in the book Justice Corrupted, is 91 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: the extent to which FBI agents or FBI confidential informants 92 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: incited the behavior. So one of the things I talk 93 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: about in the book is the plot in Michigan to 94 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: kidnap and murder the governor of Michigan, Democrat Gretchen Whitwer. 95 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: Now that broke shortly before the twenty twenty election, and 96 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: it was the sort of story that was really fabulously 97 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: beneficial for Democrats because Democrats message was those crazy right 98 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: wing Republicans and especially those Trump Republicans, are a bunch 99 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: of violent insurrectionist terrorists. They're terrible and we need to 100 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: stop them and so, and it was a national story. 101 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: I mean, they played it up. I remember it being 102 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: used Democrats all over the country center that were like, 103 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: this is something to seize on to basically attack Donald 104 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: Trump on the national election, but also to say you 105 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: don't want Trump Republicans in the House and the Senate, 106 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: on the school board, city council. Yeah, they want to 107 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: they want to murder you, and they want to take 108 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: out our politicians. And look, it was designed also for 109 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: reasonable people that like, you know, reasonable people don't want 110 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: to advocate violent acts of murder and terror. And so 111 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: the media and the Democrats were trying to say, if 112 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: you support Trump and the Republicans, you're in support of 113 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: violent acts of terror and mayhem. And with the Gretchen 114 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: Witwer's story, when it broke, you're like, holy crap, they 115 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: want to kidnap and murder a governor. That really sounds bad. Now. 116 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: When DJ went to trial, what happened is that initially 117 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: when they went to trial, every single one of the 118 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: defendants was their acquitted or had a hung jury. They 119 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: couldn't convict anyone in The principal defense at the trial 120 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: was that the FBI engaged an entrapment, that that it 121 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: essentially the FBI had placed informants among these right wing 122 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: extremist groups. But the argument of defense council was these 123 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: extremist groups were not particularly violent until the FBI informants 124 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: kept saying, Hey, in the great idea to go kidnap 125 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: and murder the governor. And they're like, oh, I'm not sure. 126 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: It is like no, no no, no, this is a good idea. 127 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: This is a good idea. And the law is that 128 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: you can be prosecuted if you plan or commit an 129 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: act of violence. But the government can't entice you into it. 130 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: It can't be their idea. They can't be the cause 131 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: that causes you to go along with the corrupt plan. 132 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: And at the trial in front of the jury's I mean, 133 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: the Justice Department had a massive black eye because the 134 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: defendants prevailed. And by the way, the special Agent in 135 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: charge of the Detroit office of the FBI, who had 136 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: this massive debacle of the prosecutions going south, on him 137 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: because his agents had engaged in misconduct and incitement, got promoted, 138 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: got sent to DC, and got put in charge of 139 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: the January sixth prosecutions. You literally can't make this up. 140 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: They took the guy who had this enormous black eye. Yeah, 141 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: and they said, you're the right guy to engage in 142 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: political prosecutions. And here's what Chris Ray should say and listen. 143 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: I hope, as I said, Chris is a friend. I 144 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: hope Chris is listening to this podcast. I doubt he is, 145 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: but I hope he is. Here's what Chris ought to do. 146 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: Chris ought to say publicly. Ordinarily, the FBI does not 147 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: reveal confidential informants, and there are strong law enforcement reasons 148 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: to do that. When we get some guy who goes 149 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: undercover into a drug cartel, sure you want to keep 150 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: that guy confidentially. You don't want to out them. So 151 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: in the ordinary course of affairs, we protect those sources. 152 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: That being said, the public interest in knowing what happened 153 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: on January sixth, what led to the riots, what led 154 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: to the acts of violence, That public interest is so 155 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: significant that we at the FBI are going to tell 156 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: you how many agents did we have in that riot. 157 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: How many confidential informants did we have in that riot? 158 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: And I were based on the payroll? Yes, and what 159 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: were their roles in inciting the violent conduct? That is 160 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: a matter of enormous public interest, and Chris ray it 161 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: is answered there and consistently he refuses to answer that question. 162 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: And I think he's doing a disservice to the American 163 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: people by protect the bureaucrats at the FBI rather than 164 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: accepting public accountability. Yeah, there's there's a name that's become 165 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: very famous and it is a name from January six, 166 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: ray Epps. And I want to play something that you 167 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: said about ray Epps when you were talking to the FBI, 168 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: because it became senior official at the FBI that I 169 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: was questioning about this. 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And this was 186 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: you questioning as you mentioned a moment ago a top 187 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: person at the FBI about Ray Epps and really about 188 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: his disappearance from the public after he was so public 189 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: on January the sixth. Take a listen, Miss Saburn, who 190 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: is Ray Epps. I'm aware of the individual Sir, I 191 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: don't have the specific background to him. Well, there are 192 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: a lot of people who are understandable about mister about 193 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: mister ramps. On the night of January fifth, twenty twenty one, 194 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: Epps wandered around the crowd that had gathered, and there's 195 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: video out there of him channing tomorrow, we need to 196 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: get into the capital, into the capital. This was strange behavior, 197 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: so strange that the crowd began chanting fed fed, Fed, Fed, 198 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: Fed fed. Miss Sandburn. Was Ray Apps a fed Sir? 199 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: I cannot answer that question. The next day, the next day, 200 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: on January six mister F's is seen whispering to a person, 201 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: and five seconds later, five seconds after he's whispering to 202 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: a person, that same person begins to forcibly tear down 203 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: the barricades. Did mister Epps urge them to tear down 204 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: the barricades, sir? Similar to the other answers, I cannot 205 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: answer that. Shortly thereafter, the FBI put out a public 206 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: post listing seeking information on individuals connected with violent crimes 207 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: on January sixth. Among those individuals in the bottom there 208 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: is mister Epps. The FBI publicly asked for information identifying 209 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: offering cash rewards, leading information leading for information leading to 210 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: the arrest. This was posted, and then sometime later, magically, 211 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: mister Epps disappeared from the public posting. According to public records, 212 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: mister Epps has not been charged with anything. No one's 213 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: explained why a person videoed urging people to go to 214 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: the Capitol. A person whose conduct was so suspect the 215 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: crowd believed he was a FED would magically disappear from 216 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: the list of people the FBI was looking at. Miss Sandburn. 217 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: A lot of Americans are concerned that the federal government 218 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: deliberately encouraged illegal and violent conduct on January sixth. My 219 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: question to you, and this is not an ordinary law 220 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: enforcement question, this is a question of a public accountability. 221 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: Did federal agents are those in service a federal agent 222 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: actively encourage violent and criminal conduct on January sixth? Not 223 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: to my knowledge, sir, I mean sent This seems to 224 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: be the new playbook of anybody in government that doesn't 225 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: want to answer question. They just say it's cloudsified or 226 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: it's an ongoing invastigation. This is exactly what Ray just 227 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: did in a simple question was asked about informants on 228 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: January the sixth. So Chris Ray and the FBI should 229 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: answer these questions. We need to have accountability, we need 230 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: to know Listen with Ray Epps. I don't know the man, 231 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: I never met him, I don't know his background, but 232 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: I will say you watch that video as I have, 233 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: as many people have of him. Urging the crowd on 234 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: January fifth, let's go into the Capitol and the crowd 235 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: turns on him. They begin chanting fed, fed fed. That's weird, Ben, 236 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like that when the crowd is like, 237 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: wait a second, why is this guy trying to urge 238 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: us to commit a criminal act? Maybe he's a private 239 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: individual with no connection to the FBI. If that's the case, 240 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: it raises the question, why wasn't he charged. I mean, 241 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: we have video of him urging people to enter the capitol. 242 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: They've charged lots of people to enter the capitol. But 243 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: if he was on the payroll of the FBI, then 244 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: you had the federal government. You had law enforcement encouraging 245 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: criminal and violent acts. That's a very different scenario. And 246 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: to date, the FBI refuses to answer how many FBI 247 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: agents were there on January sixth, one ten, one hundred 248 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: a thousand. I have no idea. And by the way, 249 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: a lot of people figure, Okay, you're a senator, you're 250 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: on the Judiciary Committee. The Judiciary Committee has oversight authority 251 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: of the FBI. You know this. They briefed you on it. Nope, 252 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: they haven't told us a damn thing. What I know 253 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: is what Chris Ray has said in public because when 254 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: he testifies, and by the way, today Merrick Garland, the 255 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: Attorney General, is testifying in front of us. He's going 256 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: to Stonewall. Because Merrick Garland has been the most political 257 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: attorney general we've ever had. And Chris Ray, it's not 258 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: that he's a partisan leftist, it's that he believes his 259 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: job is defend the senior bureaucrats of the FBI. And 260 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: I got to tell you one of the amazing things 261 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: that's happened over the last couple of years. I regularly 262 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: get FBI agents and DOJ prosecutors who come to me, 263 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: who contact my office and they say, we love the 264 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: Department of Justice, we love the FBI, we believe in 265 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: the law enforcement mission, and we are incredibly unhappy at 266 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: the politicization of our senior leadership. It is I revere 267 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice and the FBI. They're incredibly so 268 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: I will tell you on the right, there are a 269 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: bunch of people who say let's abolish the FBI. Now, 270 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good idea. The FBI does 271 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 1: a lot of really important things. They fight child kidnappers, 272 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: they fight drug dealers, they fight human traffickers, that they 273 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: fight mobsters. I am very grateful for the law enforcement 274 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: mission of the FBI. What I think we need to 275 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: do is clean house at the FBI and get rid 276 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: of the hardcore partisan Democrats who burrowed into the senior 277 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: positions at the FBI and who've corrupted the FBI. And 278 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: my biggest concern with Chris Ray is he's unwilling to 279 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: do that. He's unwilling to take that on and and 280 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: and it is he ought to engage in radical transparency. 281 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: And I'll point to two examples. Chris Ray out to follow. 282 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: Number one, Elon Muskwini Twitter, where he publicly made he 283 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: exposed the internal emails of the corruption at Twitter that 284 00:18:54,920 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: broke the big tech oligopoly on political discussion. Secondly, in 285 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: second you look at the job John Radcliffe did at 286 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: the DNI as the Director of National Intelligence. So John 287 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: Radcliffe was appointed by Donald Trump. It was just a 288 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: temporary interim appointment. I think he was there like six weeks. 289 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: It wasn't very long. But John is a text and 290 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: he's a friend. Did an incredible job because he opened 291 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: up and made public many of the abuses of the 292 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: DNI and the intelligence community how they'd been politicized, and 293 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: in six weeks he made a massive impact. My advice 294 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,479 Speaker 1: to Chris Ray follow the example of Elon Musk and 295 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: followed the example of John Radcliffe. Prioritize the long term 296 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 1: integrity of the FBI over your short term personal loyalty 297 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: to the hardcore Democrat partisans and the senior rear positions 298 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: to the FBI. If you want to save the institution, 299 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: act boldly to save and strengthen and preserve the FBI. 300 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: You know, intentioning that you mentioned that because one of 301 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: the questions that Ray was asked by Brett Bear was 302 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: about social media companies censoring things when it came to 303 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: the FBI having basically conversations them, conversations with them on 304 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: the regular, sometimes daily in the run up to the election. 305 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: I want to play that for you next. But before 306 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: we get to that, I want to tell you about 307 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: Patriot Mobile. 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Why is this 335 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: investigation on the Hunter Biden laptop taking so long? Well, 336 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: the investigation is being led, as you may know, by 337 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: a US attorney appointed in the last administration out of Delaware, 338 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: and the FBI is actively supporting and working with that 339 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: US attorney on that investigation. But the whistleblowers are telling 340 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: these lawmakers that there was an internal effort to shut 341 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: down the investigation from the beginning. Have you found that. 342 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: I have not found anything like that. All right, So 343 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: let's talk about the FBI and what you told Big 344 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: Tech or some agents did about the authenticity and providence 345 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: of Hunter Biden's laptop. What about that? From an FBI perspective, 346 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: the FBI does not It is not in the business 347 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: of functioning as the truth police understood. We don't tell 348 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: social media companies to censor anything. Well, or the Twitter 349 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: fun I suggest something different. I mean, there's an FBI 350 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: request numerous times, Taiebee puts it out FBI San Francisco 351 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: request to ban certain accounts. Twitter personnel in this case 352 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: went on to look for reasons to suspend all four 353 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: accounts that the FBI wanted to ban or suspend. Is 354 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: it appropriate to flag social media accounts on Twitter or 355 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: elsewhere due to politics or government policies when it comes 356 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: to COVID? Is it appropriate to anyway? You're saying it 357 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: doesn't happen, but there's evidence that it had. We don't 358 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: tell social media companies to ban accounts, but you suggest 359 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: what we do is tell social media companies about information 360 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: that we have about foreign disinformation campaigns by foreign actors, 361 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: by foreign intelligence services, and those companies don't make decisions 362 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: about what, if anything, they want to do about it. 363 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: I mean, center, you hear what he's saying here, and 364 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: he saying we don't tell social media company to censor anything. That, 365 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, in my opinion, is a complete lie. The emails, 366 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: the Twitter files show the complete op is that coming 367 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: from the FBI. Look, you're exactly right, Ben. The Twitter 368 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: files demonstrate that the FBI was repeatedly asking social media 369 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: companies to censor stories they didn't like, And the most 370 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: striking example is the Hunter Biden laptop. The Hunter and 371 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: Biden laptop. The story broke when the New York Post 372 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: wrote about it in October of twenty twenty, right before 373 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: the presidential election, and it was a story that was 374 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: incredibly damaging to Joe Biden because it suggested corruption at 375 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: the very highest level. And the FBI asked big tech, 376 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: please censor this story. The FBI suggested a big tech 377 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: it was Russian disinformation. Now we know that. Now know 378 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: that was garbage. That was a lie. It was not 379 00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: Russian disinformation. It was in fact true. The laptop is true. 380 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: It's been confirmed. It was Hunter Biden's laptop. By the way, 381 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:08,719 Speaker 1: it's not me confirming it. Hunter Biden's lawyers in filings 382 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: have said it was our laptop, and we're really unhappy 383 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: that you took our client's laptop and made it public, 384 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: like they have implicitly admitted. They tried to back that 385 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: away when they realized, oh crap, we shouldn't have made 386 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: that admission. But it was true and incredibly relevant to 387 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: the election. The FBI said please block it, and social 388 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: media saluted said not only jump, but sir, how high? 389 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: And again Chris Ray, he thinks he's defending the FBI. 390 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: He's trying to say, Okay, my job is to defend 391 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: my guys. Baloney. Your job is not to do that. 392 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: The degree to which big Tech got in bed with 393 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: the FBI and actively censored the American people and had 394 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: an effect of essentially rigging the election, it had an 395 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: enormous consequence on the twenty twenty election that this story 396 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: was suppressed, and the FBI is directly responsible in it. 397 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: I don't understand why Chris Ray doesn't feel any responsibility 398 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: for that. I just think he's his entire focus is 399 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: my job is protect my guys. Even if my guys 400 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 1: are crapping all over the FBI and destroying its integrity, 401 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: I got to defend the people that are hurting the FBI. 402 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: I think that's a basic and profound misconception of the 403 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: responsibility of the head of the FBI. And you would think, 404 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: as a law enforcement guy, right, we're it's supposed to 405 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: be not political but right and wrong. If you saw 406 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: members of your organization writing these emails that are clearly 407 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: politically biased, that would just piss you off, for lack 408 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: of a better way of saying it, and you would 409 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 1: want at least make sure that doesn't happen anymore. And 410 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: again he's saying, no, no no, no, we don't do this, 411 00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: Yes you do. It'sdn't writing oh, look and privately express 412 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: his concerns with these issues. He's very good at saying, oh, 413 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: I want to stay out of politics, blah blah blah 414 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. By the way, I actually believe him. 415 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 1: I think he would like the FBI to focus on 416 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: law enforcement. I just think he doesn't have the willingness 417 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: to take on the extremely partisan leftists, many of whom 418 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: are now in the senior career leadership of the FBI, 419 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: and he views it as I don't know, I don't 420 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: want to speculate, but he's unwilling to take them on. 421 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: Maybe he thinks he can't survive that. Maybe he thinks 422 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: it somehow damages the FBI. I don't want to impute 423 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: motives to him, but the fact is he's unwilling to 424 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: call him out. He ought he ought to hold accountable 425 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: every person at the FBI that urged social media to 426 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: censor the media and censor people for expressing their political views. 427 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: He ought to make public. Here's every person the FBI 428 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: had at January sixth, Every informant we had at January sixth. 429 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: This is not a run of the mill mafia case. 430 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: This is an issue of enormous national important the American 431 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: people need to know. I think he doesn't want to 432 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: do that because the FBI would be embarrassed by those facts, 433 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: and so he believes he can just stonewall and tell 434 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: Congress go jump in a lake. We're not going to 435 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: tell you, and the American people don't deserve to know. 436 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: And I think he's wrong in that. There's something else 437 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: that came up, and I was truly shocked by the 438 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: FBI director's response, and it was a question about the 439 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: drug cartels. There was some shocking for some Americans to see. 440 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: I unfortunately was not shocked by some of the testimony 441 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: today by the victims when it comes to fetno and Washington, 442 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: d C. Talking about how it's destroyed their family. There's 443 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: a couple of them that have gone on viral, including 444 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: one mother who lost not one but two sons to fetnel. 445 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: And this is one of the reasons why I think 446 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: it was very clear that there was a direct question 447 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: asked to Ray from Brett Bear about this war, and 448 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: it is a war. It's a war with FETNOL, it's 449 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: a war with the cartels, and he asked him is 450 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: it time to designate the drug cartels as terrorist organizations, 451 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: and we couldn't get a straight answer from the FBI 452 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: director on that. Listen, it's on immigration. Do you believe 453 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: the cartels should be designated as terrorist organizations? Well, I 454 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,959 Speaker 1: do believe that the cartels represent a significant threat, and 455 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: we have hundreds the FBI has hundreds of investigations that 456 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: go into cartel leadership, and I'm interested in all appropriate 457 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: legal tools that will help us go after them. We 458 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: are going after them. Obviously, we're not responsible for the 459 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: physical secure already at the border, but we recognize that 460 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: the threats emanating from the border are serious. Center. I'm 461 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,719 Speaker 1: gonna cut them off there because why can't he just 462 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: answer that simple question with a yes, Because unfortunately the 463 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: leadership of the FBI is too concerned with politics. The 464 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: answer shouldn't be yes, it should be hell yes. Look, 465 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: we on a recent podcast, we walk through my cross 466 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: examination of the head of the DA where I talked 467 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: about the incredible harm that Mexican drug cartels carry out, 468 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: where I've talked about the over one hundred thousand people 469 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: that last year died of drug overdoses in the United States. 470 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: The vast majority from Chinese fentanyl flooding over the southern border. 471 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: Now the head of the FBI, I've sat down and 472 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: talked with her. I think she's actually kind of pretty 473 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: similar to Chris Ray. She's a law enforcement person. She 474 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: wants to prosecute the bad guys. Her answers were very political, 475 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: and because she's not, I think a terribly political person, 476 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: she was bad at it. She was repeating the Democrat 477 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: talking points from this administration. So their talking point is 478 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: the drugs that are flooding into this country are coming 479 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,479 Speaker 1: over the legal ports of entry and not over our 480 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: unsecured southern border. We don't have an unsecured southern border, 481 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: they claim, despite the fact that five and a half 482 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: million people have crossed illegally under Joe Biden, the worst 483 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: illegal immigration in the history of our nation. That's the 484 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: incredible record of the Biden administration. She was trying to 485 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: repeat the talking points of no, no, no no, no. People 486 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: don't cross illegally under over the southern border. If they do, 487 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: they certainly don't carry drugs. The facts into the country 488 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: I asked her a very simple question, is the fact 489 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: that these drug cartels have made tens of billions of 490 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:01,959 Speaker 1: dollars because of our open southern border. Is the fact 491 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: that the single best thing that ever happened to the 492 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: Mexican drug cartels with Joe Biden becoming president because they 493 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: made massive amounts of money. Is it a good thing 494 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: that these vicious criminal drug cartels have made tens of 495 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: billions of dollars? Now look for any cop and for 496 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: any honest law enforcements, for anyone running the DA, the 497 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: answer ought to be hell yes, Like, just like Chris Ray, 498 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: should we designate the Mexican drug cartels as terrorists? Hell? Yes, 499 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: they are engaged in murder and torture and horrific acts 500 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: of violence. They are terrorist organizations. But much like the 501 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: head of the DA that we played that cross examination, 502 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: I think last week, he doesn't want to say that 503 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: because heat gets that the political taskmasters in the White 504 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: House don't like that answer, so he just dodges, and 505 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: I just wish that. And by the way, eventually the 506 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: head of the DA, after I asked her I think 507 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: four times, finally and reluctantly said yeah, it's a terrible thing. 508 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: Like vicious drug cartels, they make roughly half their money 509 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: from drug trafficking, roughly half their money from human trafficking. 510 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: It is a terrible thing that Joe Biden has given 511 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: tens of billions of dollars no hitting. Why didn't you 512 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: say that the first four times you asked I asked 513 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: you because she was trying to follow the partisan talking points. 514 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: I think that's sadly what Chris Ray is doing there too. Yeah, 515 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,479 Speaker 1: I no doubt about it. I want to ask you 516 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: lastly about one of the thing that Chris Ray said 517 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: in that debt with Wuhan. The FBI is one of 518 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: two parts of the government now, the Department of Energy 519 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: and the FBI are saying they believe the most likely 520 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: cause of COVID nineteen is actually that it came from 521 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: the Wuhan Institute of Virology. That came from a lab, 522 00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: that didn't come from animals, didn't come from a wet mark, 523 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: didn't come from all of those other lies. And I 524 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: want to play for you his response on Wuhan. 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Lastly, 551 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: I want to get your reaction to the FBI director. 552 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: He was asked about the lab leek question. It was 553 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: pretty simple what he had to say in response here. 554 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: It is the FBI has for quite some time now 555 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely 556 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: a potential lab incident in Wuhan. Let me step back 557 00:35:53,120 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: for a second. You know, the FBI has folks, agents, professionals, analysts, virologists, microbiologists, etc. 558 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:07,959 Speaker 1: Who focused specifically on the dangers of biological threats. I mean, 559 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 1: this was probably the most candid answer he had during 560 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: the entire interview, and he actually says, Look, for a 561 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: long time, we've considered the lab to be the most 562 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: accurate quote theory here. Yeah, listen, this is the only 563 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: answer in the interview that we've discussed tonight that I like. 564 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: In respect, the FBI under Joe Biden concluded that the 565 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,240 Speaker 1: most likely explanation for COVID nineteen was that it escaped 566 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: from a Chinese government lab. They concluded that with what 567 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 1: they call moderate confidence, and so in the intelligence community, 568 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,800 Speaker 1: when you have a conclusion and intelligence. You have sometimes 569 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: conclusions with low confidence, sometimes with moderate confidence, sometimes with 570 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: high confidence. The FBI concluded it with moderate conferences. This 571 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: weekend we had the bombshell report that the Biden Department 572 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 1: of Energy came to the same conclusion. They concluded that 573 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,280 Speaker 1: the most likely source for COVID nineteen was a Chinese 574 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,839 Speaker 1: government lab. Now, they were less certain about it than 575 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: the FBI. They said they concluded that with quote low confidence, 576 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: but they still thought their assessment, their best judgment was 577 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: that was the most likely source. Now, as regular listeners 578 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: of this podcast, now we have been laying out the 579 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: facts on the origins of COVID nineteen four three years. 580 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: Go back and listen. I actually tweeted today, go listen 581 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 1: to the podcast that we put out in March of 582 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,320 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Look, the pandemic broke on the national scene 583 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: in January and February of twenty twenty, so this was early. 584 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: This was right when the pandemic was starting, and we 585 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: put out a podcast in March of twenty twenty. We 586 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: put out a second podcast in April of twenty twenty, 587 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: so right at the outset where we walked through the 588 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: evidence that this virus originated at a Chinese government lab. Now, 589 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: at the time, the Democrat talking points and the corporate 590 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: media talking points and the Chinese Communist Party talking points 591 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: were all the same, which is that it is a 592 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: crazy tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theory to say that it 593 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: came from a Chinese government lab. We walked through on 594 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: this podcast. And by the way, Anthony Faucian writing was 595 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: asking Mark Zuckerberg, at the head of Facebook, please suppress 596 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: anyone making the arguments that this came from a Chinese 597 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,320 Speaker 1: government lab. I gotta tell you, Ben, I remain amazed 598 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: how the Verdict podcast did not get censored at the time, 599 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 1: because we were one of the very few places on 600 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: planet Earth that you could hear those facts. For whatever reason, 601 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,800 Speaker 1: they didn't take us on and censor us. And three 602 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,879 Speaker 1: years ago we laid out the facts. Let me point 603 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: to three data points that are really compelling. Number One, 604 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 1: the wu On Institute for Virology. The Wohan Institute for 605 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: Virology is a Chinese government lab and it studies viruses. 606 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: That's why it's called an institute for virology. It studies 607 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: not just viruses, but it focuses in particular on coronaviruses. 608 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,879 Speaker 1: The particular type of virus that COVID nineteen is. It 609 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: doesn't just study coronaviruses. It studies coronaviruses from bats. And 610 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 1: by the way, the best scientific evidence we have is 611 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 1: that COVID nineteen came from a coronavirus carried by bats. Now, 612 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:40,240 Speaker 1: the bats that carry the coronavirus don't occur naturally around Wuhan. 613 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: How far away are they? The closest bats are about 614 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 1: nine hundred miles away in caves, a long long way 615 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: away from Wuhan. Where is the Wuhan Institute for Virology. 616 00:39:54,239 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: It is a few hundred yards away where the wet 617 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:09,360 Speaker 1: market where the first major outbreak of the COVID pandemic occurred. 618 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: You can literally drive a golf ball from the Wuhan 619 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: Institute for Virology to the Wuhan wet market where the 620 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 1: pandemic occurred. I want you to think, at just as 621 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: a statistical matter, what are the odds that a pandemic 622 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: in a coronavirus carried by bats would occur at a 623 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: wet market a few hundred yards away from a government 624 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: lab studying coronavirus is carried by bats. They are the 625 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,959 Speaker 1: odds are incredibly low that that is a coincidence. That's 626 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: fact number one. Fact number two, we now know that 627 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: not one, not two, but three different employees of the 628 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: Wuhan Institute for Virology in November of twenty nineteen, so 629 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 1: a couple of months before the pandemic erupted on the 630 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,439 Speaker 1: worldwide scene November of twenty nineteen, they checked themselves into 631 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:20,720 Speaker 1: hospitals for serious health conditions. That suggests. It doesn't prove, 632 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: but it is a powerful suggestion that those may have 633 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:30,360 Speaker 1: been among the first public outbreaks of COVID nineteen. Fact 634 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 1: number three, what did the Chinese Communist government do after 635 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 1: the pandemic erupted. Well, we know that months before the 636 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: pandemic they had begun buying and hoarding ppe protected personal equipment, 637 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: things like masks and gloves. They had done it in 638 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,720 Speaker 1: advance of the pandemic. That suggests for knowledge. We also 639 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 1: know that they directed the Wuhan Institute for Virology to 640 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 1: destroy the samples of the coronaviruses they were studying. That 641 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:11,880 Speaker 1: suggests guilt, as we talked about in a previous podcast, 642 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,400 Speaker 1: in a court of law, in a civil case or 643 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: criminal case, if an individual destroys evidence, a judge can 644 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,799 Speaker 1: instruct the jury. You may draw a negative inference from 645 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,360 Speaker 1: the destruction of evidence. You may conclude that the destruction 646 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 1: of evidence demonstrates a guilty mind, demonstrates that the evidence 647 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 1: would incriminate whoever destroyed the evidence. In this case, it 648 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: was a Chinese common discovernment and the obvious inference is 649 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: that COVID nineteen was a virus they were studying at 650 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,240 Speaker 1: the Wohanna Institute for Virology and it escaped and caused 651 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,920 Speaker 1: this pandemic. I also think, I think, I actually think 652 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 1: the evidence is overwhelming of that. And by the way, 653 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: the evidence was overwhelming three years ago. What the hell 654 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 1: took Biden Department of Energy three years to get there. 655 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 1: I'm glad they got there, and I'm glad the FBI 656 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 1: got there, But why did it take so long? This 657 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: podcast we figured it out three damn years ago, in 658 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,879 Speaker 1: March of twenty twenty. Go listen to that podcast. We 659 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 1: laid out the evidence then, and by the way, I 660 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: gotta say, it's one of the reasons why listen. I 661 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 1: would encourage folks who listen to this podcast, and we 662 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: have an amazing community of Verdict listeners, share it with 663 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,719 Speaker 1: your friends because you learn things here on this podcast 664 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,239 Speaker 1: that you will not learn watching TV news. You will 665 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: not learn reading the newspapers, you will not learn listening 666 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 1: to the radio. This podcast is designed to tell you 667 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:48,320 Speaker 1: what's happening before its news. And I gotta say the FBI, 668 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 1: I'm glad that Chris Ray is willing to say that. 669 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,879 Speaker 1: But at the same time, the corporate media and big tech, 670 00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:01,279 Speaker 1: and Chris Ray is protecting and apolologizing for big tech. 671 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 1: Big tech and the corporate media did everything they could 672 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: to stigmatize, to silence, to suppress anyone laying out the 673 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 1: evidence that this came from a Chinese government lab, no 674 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,360 Speaker 1: doubt about it. It It was a very interesting interview and 675 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 1: even more fun to hear your response the FBI director 676 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: Ray here. And it's the goal of this podcast, like 677 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,720 Speaker 1: you said, to give you what's happening even before it happens. 678 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,800 Speaker 1: Wuhan's a great example that we will see you guys 679 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 1: with a special Verdict taping We're gonna be doing live 680 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 1: from the stage at Seapack in just a couple of days, 681 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: so make sure you listen to that show as well. 682 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 1: Don't forget share this podcast of your family and friends. 683 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: Write us a five star review. 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