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Speaker 4: Like the Patriots could have gone for two and stolen

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Speaker 4: the game.

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Speaker 3: At the end, we oh, we just lost our life.

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Speaker 5: They resigned all my guys again. So you heard that

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Speaker 5: from Lombardi.

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Speaker 4: Now we're gonna have Freeze.

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Speaker 3: Puld out there. It's yeah, so there must be a

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Speaker 3: lot of grousing, mostly for me.

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Speaker 6: Honestly, I hate the cold. I'm soft.

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Speaker 3: It's becoming really easy for them. You know what your window, well,

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Speaker 3: the windows closing on that prediction. I also just happened.

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Speaker 6: If you're the division.

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Speaker 4: Mike was manning the Holy Cross power plays.

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Speaker 3: That was early in Mike's tenure when Paul was still

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Speaker 5: And now look at us.

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Speaker 4: I was very much instrumental in Mike's hirer were you

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Speaker 4: you not so much?

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Speaker 6: I know that little lighter. Today, some people I think

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Speaker 6: have actually taken the whole week off for the bye week.

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Speaker 6: Very nice for them.

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine this has been having a cover thirteen games?

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Speaker 4: I mean a lot of Sunday at once. Yeah, it

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Speaker 4: doesn't get don't get no tougher than that.

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here

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Speaker 3: at Jillette Stadium. The bye week is officially in session.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people have left the building, not us,

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Speaker 3: So we're here. We'll be here tomorrow as well. Talking

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Speaker 3: Patriots got a lot to talk about. Yeah, it's Evan,

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Speaker 3: it's Paul, it's Deuce, it's me, it's Matt and the booth.

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Speaker 3: What news do you have?

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Speaker 4: Patriots made an announcement. Oh yeah, they made it.

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Speaker 3: Obviously story on Patriots dot com.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, announcement, but my apologize.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't I don't think it was like a

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Speaker 3: be ready, unbelievably to me around spring of twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 3: which I can't guys get the lawnmower on time at

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Speaker 3: my house. They're building a you know, multimillion dollar facility

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Speaker 3: That's amazing, but good for them.

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Speaker 5: Looks pretty sweet, yeah, sweet.

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Speaker 3: Well what's inside is going to be the sweet part?

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Speaker 5: State of the art top the bottom. I mean, I

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Speaker 5: had a little bit of to do with writing the article,

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Speaker 4: Did you do some digging I did not into But

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Speaker 4: you wouldn't know that because you were just a blogger

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Speaker 5: It's true, but I mentioned in psychology, so I know

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Speaker 5: No, I was just I was going to just highlight,

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Speaker 5: You know, I think we've had a conversation. I know

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Speaker 3: There are no guarantees in this league, in sports, but

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Speaker 4: Oh, no, he was in serious trouble. This is a story.

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Speaker 3: a big fan. But you talk about balluminatis and Bill

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00:20:48,474 --> 00:20:51,474
Speaker 3: Bobo's a lot. I'd like to introduce a new phrase,

440
00:20:51,874 --> 00:20:56,274
Speaker 3: bild derangement disorder aka b d D. Who has BDD?

441
00:20:56,434 --> 00:20:59,833
Speaker 3: You asked one people who dismissed critics of the current

442
00:20:59,874 --> 00:21:04,113
Speaker 3: Mayo Van Pell Covington Wolf regime as balluminatis, Fred Kersh.

443
00:21:04,634 --> 00:21:07,513
Speaker 3: Two people who think it was easy last year for

444
00:21:07,593 --> 00:21:11,593
Speaker 3: Belichick's Patriots because they played backup quarterbacks, but playing the

445
00:21:11,634 --> 00:21:14,593
Speaker 3: thirty first hardest schedule this year shouldn't be mentioned in

446
00:21:14,674 --> 00:21:19,033
Speaker 3: terms of easiness. Paul Parrillo. Three people who think Michael

447
00:21:19,154 --> 00:21:23,793
Speaker 3: I know it's okay. Three people who think mich Lombardi

448
00:21:23,833 --> 00:21:27,954
Speaker 3: can't criticize the Patriots. Lombardi himself hasn't achieved anything big

449
00:21:27,994 --> 00:21:31,154
Speaker 3: for the game, but somehow they can constantly criticize Bill

450
00:21:31,394 --> 00:21:34,714
Speaker 3: without achieving anything themselves in the NFL. Again the esteem

451
00:21:34,754 --> 00:21:39,073
Speaker 3: Paul Parillo. Four people who commented early this year that

452
00:21:39,154 --> 00:21:42,194
Speaker 3: Bill slipped as a defensive mind as well, and Covington

453
00:21:42,234 --> 00:21:45,394
Speaker 3: brings a fresh new approach, which they have conveniently forgotten

454
00:21:45,434 --> 00:21:49,874
Speaker 3: now Evan Lazarre and five people who wanted Patricia gone

455
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Speaker 3: after four games in twenty twenty two because of his

456
00:21:52,234 --> 00:21:55,754
Speaker 3: lack of experience, but ecstatic to give Mayo three years

457
00:21:55,994 --> 00:21:59,194
Speaker 3: because of the same reason. Mike dos So, you have

458
00:21:59,313 --> 00:22:01,594
Speaker 3: tart and feathered one of the best coaches of all

459
00:22:01,674 --> 00:22:05,754
Speaker 3: time out of Boston last year you won. Maybe stop

460
00:22:05,833 --> 00:22:08,194
Speaker 3: the constant Bill bashing and look forward a bit more.

461
00:22:08,353 --> 00:22:09,954
Speaker 3: That said, love you all. Let me know how I

462
00:22:09,954 --> 00:22:12,433
Speaker 3: can buy you all a meal of your choice by

463
00:22:12,553 --> 00:22:13,553
Speaker 3: never emailing again.

464
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Speaker 4: Now, I say all the time, I like the back

465
00:22:18,954 --> 00:22:22,114
Speaker 4: and forth. I like debate. That's what I do best,

466
00:22:22,194 --> 00:22:27,714
Speaker 4: I argue. I would just say, how does the kool

467
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Speaker 4: aid taste?

468
00:22:28,353 --> 00:22:28,433
Speaker 8: Like?

469
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Speaker 4: You are the epitome of what we're talking about. Like,

470
00:22:34,033 --> 00:22:36,634
Speaker 4: I have not mentioned how easy this schedule is this.

471
00:22:36,674 --> 00:22:40,193
Speaker 3: Year, right, it turned out to be a very easy schedule.

472
00:22:40,194 --> 00:22:43,833
Speaker 4: They've played two teams through thirteen games that have just

473
00:22:43,874 --> 00:22:46,353
Speaker 4: a winning record, let alone good teams.

474
00:22:46,394 --> 00:22:48,833
Speaker 3: And I heard you on the radio say the same thing, Like.

475
00:22:48,994 --> 00:22:52,754
Speaker 4: Two teams with a winning record. One of them is Seattle,

476
00:22:52,793 --> 00:22:55,714
Speaker 4: who is as average as average can be, and Houston

477
00:22:55,754 --> 00:22:58,273
Speaker 4: has been kind of a disappointment. Those are that's it.

478
00:22:58,914 --> 00:23:01,353
Speaker 4: Those are the two quote unquote good teams you've played.

479
00:23:02,793 --> 00:23:06,113
Speaker 4: I don't think I've dismissed that that fact. No, Like

480
00:23:06,674 --> 00:23:08,553
Speaker 4: so you're just kind of like making stuff up. Now

481
00:23:08,593 --> 00:23:11,833
Speaker 4: the Lombardy thing, I'll wear that proudly. Lombardi is in

482
00:23:11,914 --> 00:23:15,553
Speaker 4: Bill's pocket, and nothing he says is to be believed.

483
00:23:16,313 --> 00:23:18,313
Speaker 4: Like now all of a sudden, we're supposed to like

484
00:23:18,394 --> 00:23:20,273
Speaker 4: take Mike Lombardi as god.

485
00:23:20,353 --> 00:23:22,313
Speaker 3: But I can't understand why he's in his pocket. He

486
00:23:22,353 --> 00:23:25,313
Speaker 3: owes Bill every sure, you know, sure.

487
00:23:25,073 --> 00:23:28,154
Speaker 4: He owes his career to Bill, right and all other

488
00:23:28,194 --> 00:23:32,474
Speaker 4: great guys like Bill Walsh and Al Davis right right.

489
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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I'm kind of disappointed with mine. I felt

490
00:23:35,394 --> 00:23:37,074
Speaker 5: like he just not needed to include me. I don't

491
00:23:37,114 --> 00:23:39,073
Speaker 5: think I was the big like fire Patricia guy, But

492
00:23:39,194 --> 00:23:40,754
Speaker 5: why didn't he say you were the hoodie guy you

493
00:23:40,833 --> 00:23:42,874
Speaker 5: love Bill and now you don't like Bill. That would

494
00:23:42,874 --> 00:23:44,234
Speaker 5: have been a better one for me. Deep, But that's

495
00:23:44,234 --> 00:23:44,513
Speaker 5: all right.

496
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Speaker 6: I also just feel like yesterday I said that they're

497
00:23:47,273 --> 00:23:50,033
Speaker 6: gonna have to ask some tough questions about DeMarcus Covington.

498
00:23:50,194 --> 00:23:53,033
Speaker 6: So I'm not sure how I haven't called out that

499
00:23:53,073 --> 00:23:56,114
Speaker 6: the coaching on the defense has not been very good

500
00:23:56,154 --> 00:23:59,394
Speaker 6: this year either, So but I get it. We can

501
00:23:59,434 --> 00:24:01,234
Speaker 6: take it to we can take it.

502
00:24:02,833 --> 00:24:04,833
Speaker 5: They're a three win team this year. They were a

503
00:24:04,833 --> 00:24:08,154
Speaker 5: three year win three win team last year with Bill, like,

504
00:24:08,353 --> 00:24:09,954
Speaker 5: we're trying to get to the bottom of it, and

505
00:24:09,994 --> 00:24:10,634
Speaker 5: we'll say with.

506
00:24:10,674 --> 00:24:14,113
Speaker 3: Wolf, you know, like, but and I've said about Wolf before,

507
00:24:15,033 --> 00:24:18,553
Speaker 3: the only one like we think that you know, this

508
00:24:18,674 --> 00:24:20,954
Speaker 3: is the first year of him doing it on his own,

509
00:24:21,154 --> 00:24:24,073
Speaker 3: like he was under Bill's thumb the other years. What

510
00:24:24,154 --> 00:24:27,634
Speaker 3: we don't know is how much latitude Bill actually gave

511
00:24:27,833 --> 00:24:30,513
Speaker 3: guys like Matt grow and Elliott Wolf. So we don't know.

512
00:24:30,874 --> 00:24:35,114
Speaker 3: Who does know is Robert Kraft, and he's the one

513
00:24:35,194 --> 00:24:37,994
Speaker 3: when it comes to Elliott, we'll have to make that

514
00:24:38,033 --> 00:24:41,994
Speaker 3: tough decision. Like no, Elliott, he knows what he's doing

515
00:24:42,394 --> 00:24:46,754
Speaker 3: or or he doesn't. We don't have that information. But

516
00:24:46,994 --> 00:24:48,673
Speaker 3: if you ask me right now, I say, you know,

517
00:24:48,874 --> 00:24:53,393
Speaker 3: give Elliott the same latitude you're giving Girod. Like you know,

518
00:24:53,513 --> 00:24:57,074
Speaker 3: this was his first year on his own. Let him

519
00:24:57,154 --> 00:25:00,953
Speaker 3: go through this offseason, you know, with a head of steam,

520
00:25:00,994 --> 00:25:02,313
Speaker 3: and let's see what happens.

521
00:25:02,434 --> 00:25:05,194
Speaker 4: Certainly wasn't an advocate that Bill needed to go in

522
00:25:05,313 --> 00:25:11,474
Speaker 4: twenty twenty, like Brady left. They looked awful in twenty twenty.

523
00:25:11,513 --> 00:25:13,914
Speaker 4: And I wasn't sitting there telling you he needs to go.

524
00:25:14,114 --> 00:25:14,633
Speaker 4: He's done.

525
00:25:14,674 --> 00:25:15,474
Speaker 3: No one said that.

526
00:25:15,513 --> 00:25:18,153
Speaker 4: You gave him the latitude to try to fix it.

527
00:25:18,714 --> 00:25:22,194
Speaker 4: Now he needs to rebuild. By twenty twenty three, when

528
00:25:22,234 --> 00:25:26,313
Speaker 4: it's really not any better to wonder can this guy

529
00:25:26,714 --> 00:25:30,353
Speaker 4: rebuild it without Brady? Right? You know that? And I

530
00:25:30,353 --> 00:25:33,674
Speaker 4: think that's all. And most of my criticism with Bill

531
00:25:33,714 --> 00:25:35,994
Speaker 4: always includes the preamble of if he's the best coach

532
00:25:35,994 --> 00:25:36,553
Speaker 4: I've ever seen?

533
00:25:36,954 --> 00:25:38,994
Speaker 3: Right, So I don't.

534
00:25:38,833 --> 00:25:42,194
Speaker 4: Really feel like I need to wear the you ran

535
00:25:42,273 --> 00:25:45,633
Speaker 4: Bill out of town. I mean, look, that wasn't me. Like,

536
00:25:45,714 --> 00:25:47,194
Speaker 4: I don't think you did a good job.

537
00:25:47,313 --> 00:25:50,033
Speaker 3: Let's fast a few years Tom Brady covered up a

538
00:25:50,033 --> 00:25:54,074
Speaker 3: lot of deficient human spackle. But so did Bill. When

539
00:25:54,073 --> 00:25:56,633
Speaker 3: it came to running an organization. You didn't have to

540
00:25:56,914 --> 00:25:58,593
Speaker 3: as an owner. You didn't have to worry about your

541
00:25:58,634 --> 00:26:03,313
Speaker 3: GM or all. What Bill took care of everything. You

542
00:26:03,474 --> 00:26:07,394
Speaker 3: deal with him right one point of contact. It may

543
00:26:07,634 --> 00:26:10,754
Speaker 3: it makes things simpler now. He wasn't a simple person

544
00:26:10,793 --> 00:26:13,353
Speaker 3: to deal with, no, Like, there's no doubt about that.

545
00:26:13,434 --> 00:26:14,273
Speaker 4: He was a great coach.

546
00:26:14,394 --> 00:26:17,754
Speaker 3: But as long as things were good, you put up

547
00:26:17,793 --> 00:26:20,714
Speaker 3: with it, you know. But I think things were going

548
00:26:20,793 --> 00:26:21,553
Speaker 3: in the wrong direction.

549
00:26:21,553 --> 00:26:23,313
Speaker 4: It's a good email, though, because right off of what

550
00:26:23,313 --> 00:26:26,194
Speaker 4: we're talking about with Mayo sort of the side of it. Yeah,

551
00:26:26,553 --> 00:26:27,073
Speaker 4: I like that.

552
00:26:27,194 --> 00:26:30,593
Speaker 6: We're just like grown to accept the fact that they're

553
00:26:30,634 --> 00:26:33,513
Speaker 6: going to be back next year. So like, I just

554
00:26:33,553 --> 00:26:37,234
Speaker 6: don't see a path that I know people, some people

555
00:26:37,313 --> 00:26:39,474
Speaker 6: like like Deep want us to sit here and call

556
00:26:39,513 --> 00:26:42,833
Speaker 6: for their jobs, and it just it doesn't it's not

557
00:26:42,874 --> 00:26:44,714
Speaker 6: logical for us to do that because it's not going

558
00:26:44,793 --> 00:26:47,914
Speaker 6: to happen. Like barring something completely the fairy is happening,

559
00:26:48,434 --> 00:26:49,554
Speaker 6: they're not going to lose their job.

560
00:26:49,553 --> 00:26:51,154
Speaker 4: But I also don't think it should happen.

561
00:26:51,194 --> 00:26:51,674
Speaker 6: No, don't.

562
00:26:51,994 --> 00:26:53,714
Speaker 4: I thought it should, and I didn't think it was

563
00:26:53,754 --> 00:26:55,994
Speaker 4: going to I would rail against it. Yeah, I mean,

564
00:26:56,154 --> 00:26:57,313
Speaker 4: I'm not a shrinking.

565
00:26:57,234 --> 00:26:59,873
Speaker 3: Let or if nothing else, we would kind of we'd.

566
00:26:59,793 --> 00:27:02,994
Speaker 4: Dance around, right, you know, Like but if I thought

567
00:27:02,994 --> 00:27:06,154
Speaker 4: that he really deserved to lose his job, I think

568
00:27:06,194 --> 00:27:08,353
Speaker 4: that I would be more critical. Yeah, you know, I

569
00:27:08,394 --> 00:27:09,114
Speaker 4: mean I thought.

570
00:27:08,874 --> 00:27:10,794
Speaker 3: That we'd be talking about the reason this.

571
00:27:10,793 --> 00:27:13,513
Speaker 4: Time last year, Like I was saying, this has got

572
00:27:13,513 --> 00:27:16,793
Speaker 4: to be it for Bill. Yeah, and I didn't know

573
00:27:16,833 --> 00:27:18,873
Speaker 4: he was losing his job. But I believe me, I

574
00:27:18,914 --> 00:27:22,194
Speaker 4: didn't know that that was happening. So I think that

575
00:27:22,273 --> 00:27:24,433
Speaker 4: we kind of call it like we see it the

576
00:27:24,434 --> 00:27:26,633
Speaker 4: best we can. Obviously we have some limitations.

577
00:27:26,674 --> 00:27:29,394
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I thought that was a good email, well

578
00:27:29,394 --> 00:27:31,273
Speaker 3: thought out. We don't have to agree with ever anything

579
00:27:31,313 --> 00:27:34,353
Speaker 3: but good good email. Dan writes in this is about

580
00:27:34,353 --> 00:27:37,674
Speaker 3: the new training facility that the story on Patriots dot

581
00:27:37,674 --> 00:27:39,833
Speaker 3: com today. If you haven't already seen it, it's out there.

582
00:27:39,914 --> 00:27:42,033
Speaker 4: It's Mike, one of my's finest people.

583
00:27:42,234 --> 00:27:42,633
Speaker 3: I didn't know.

584
00:27:42,674 --> 00:27:45,074
Speaker 4: I didn't fully, I just didn't get into the barbershop.

585
00:27:45,154 --> 00:27:48,594
Speaker 3: But I smell a pulitzer, Yes, I really do.

586
00:27:49,033 --> 00:27:50,553
Speaker 5: I'll probably have to share it with a few people.

587
00:27:51,273 --> 00:27:52,834
Speaker 4: I think me I knew nothing about it.

588
00:27:53,033 --> 00:27:55,073
Speaker 3: I think it's very cool that the Patriots are building

589
00:27:55,114 --> 00:27:58,273
Speaker 3: a new facility. Just because I know our NFL grading

590
00:27:58,313 --> 00:28:00,793
Speaker 3: wasn't the best. Well, that's not fair. But that said,

591
00:28:00,833 --> 00:28:03,194
Speaker 3: can we please get new uniforms as well? I'm tired

592
00:28:03,234 --> 00:28:05,674
Speaker 3: of the look and I think we need a big

593
00:28:05,754 --> 00:28:08,194
Speaker 3: change where we have a variety of uniforms like the

594
00:28:08,313 --> 00:28:12,593
Speaker 3: Chargers and Broncos. I agree, Okay, I agree.

595
00:28:12,674 --> 00:28:13,194
Speaker 8: I'd like to.

596
00:28:13,154 --> 00:28:16,434
Speaker 5: See some looks that match, that looked like they were

597
00:28:16,434 --> 00:28:21,994
Speaker 5: constructed and conceived together. The pants, the shirt, they go together.

598
00:28:22,073 --> 00:28:25,954
Speaker 6: You want to match, not too matching. Email, that's a

599
00:28:25,954 --> 00:28:28,754
Speaker 6: lot to ask for. Stripes are off the you don't

600
00:28:28,754 --> 00:28:31,353
Speaker 6: want to wear the white jersey with the silver pants.

601
00:28:31,394 --> 00:28:32,154
Speaker 3: I don't mind that one.

602
00:28:32,234 --> 00:28:33,914
Speaker 5: I don't mind that one. I don't I like that

603
00:28:33,954 --> 00:28:34,994
Speaker 5: one better than the regular one.

604
00:28:35,033 --> 00:28:36,113
Speaker 6: I don't really understand it.

605
00:28:36,194 --> 00:28:37,313
Speaker 4: He's a walking contradiction.

606
00:28:37,474 --> 00:28:38,354
Speaker 6: I don't I don't know it.

607
00:28:38,394 --> 00:28:42,113
Speaker 4: Every time Bluberries have every time we wear them, I

608
00:28:42,154 --> 00:28:44,393
Speaker 4: say they don't match, that the pants look dirty, and

609
00:28:44,394 --> 00:28:45,834
Speaker 4: he's like, no, I don't mind it. I don't mind

610
00:28:46,394 --> 00:28:48,474
Speaker 4: they don't look but you put those pants on with

611
00:28:48,514 --> 00:28:50,194
Speaker 4: the other shirts and the stripes don't match.

612
00:28:50,194 --> 00:28:52,394
Speaker 5: And he goes, but listen, just like those uniforms right

613
00:28:52,474 --> 00:28:54,994
Speaker 5: in back of Paul. Those gotta come back, those ones

614
00:28:55,114 --> 00:28:55,633
Speaker 5: right there.

615
00:28:55,834 --> 00:28:57,874
Speaker 4: I like it when that John Hanna has winning.

616
00:28:57,794 --> 00:29:00,594
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, that's that's the best uniform.

617
00:29:00,754 --> 00:29:04,633
Speaker 6: When they wear the when they wear the Blueberry jersey.

618
00:29:04,314 --> 00:29:05,514
Speaker 4: No, I don't like that one.

619
00:29:05,634 --> 00:29:06,954
Speaker 5: You like the red top, white bottom?

620
00:29:07,034 --> 00:29:07,554
Speaker 3: Is that what it is?

621
00:29:07,594 --> 00:29:10,194
Speaker 4: Which one? I like the seventies, not the eighties, but

622
00:29:10,314 --> 00:29:13,074
Speaker 4: we wear throwbacks. We wear eighties throwbacks. I don't like those.

623
00:29:13,674 --> 00:29:16,994
Speaker 6: When they wear the blueberry jersey with the silver pants.

624
00:29:17,314 --> 00:29:19,794
Speaker 6: Now we're talking. I like that looks, just don't like

625
00:29:19,874 --> 00:29:24,794
Speaker 6: the stripes. That's that's the problem. But the white that's

626
00:29:24,794 --> 00:29:26,994
Speaker 6: a bridge far from but the white with the silver,

627
00:29:27,074 --> 00:29:29,234
Speaker 6: which is clearly two different sets of jerseys.

628
00:29:29,354 --> 00:29:34,634
Speaker 4: Fred Closer, they we really go in five grown.

629
00:29:34,474 --> 00:29:40,074
Speaker 3: Men in uniforms. It's unbelievable. Only Bruce, only Bruce Springstein

630
00:29:40,154 --> 00:29:41,354
Speaker 3: gets more out of grown men.

631
00:29:41,474 --> 00:29:43,794
Speaker 4: So I will say, like, did you every once in

632
00:29:43,834 --> 00:29:45,794
Speaker 4: a while when you put on a game and you know,

633
00:29:45,874 --> 00:29:47,954
Speaker 4: like the TV's are so good too, like they just

634
00:29:48,074 --> 00:29:53,034
Speaker 4: like it's like so sharp, and the uniforms pop. Monday night,

635
00:29:54,554 --> 00:29:58,393
Speaker 4: Cleveland had like the orange pants on. I was like, ah,

636
00:29:58,554 --> 00:30:01,954
Speaker 4: that's just like they just look good. Now, Mike has

637
00:30:01,994 --> 00:30:04,554
Speaker 4: been making a comment about the Broncos uniforms all year

638
00:30:05,034 --> 00:30:07,434
Speaker 4: that I couldn't agree more with, Like I don't even

639
00:30:07,474 --> 00:30:10,714
Speaker 4: know what the team is, right, like they look so different.

640
00:30:11,914 --> 00:30:15,234
Speaker 4: But the colors that just popped off your screen Monday night,

641
00:30:15,274 --> 00:30:15,994
Speaker 4: that was pretty cool.

642
00:30:16,434 --> 00:30:19,633
Speaker 3: It was sharp. It's funny though, because people, you know,

643
00:30:19,674 --> 00:30:21,754
Speaker 3: the colors when they're sharp, people like it. But then

644
00:30:22,394 --> 00:30:26,913
Speaker 3: oh I love the colts old traditional uniform. You know

645
00:30:25,994 --> 00:30:30,674
Speaker 3: people you get that too when when it's like really drab,

646
00:30:30,914 --> 00:30:34,954
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but that's traditional. I really like clean. Yeah, yeah,

647
00:30:35,114 --> 00:30:38,434
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's different different for different fas.

648
00:30:38,554 --> 00:30:39,834
Speaker 5: Yeah, sports fashion.

649
00:30:39,914 --> 00:30:40,514
Speaker 3: What are you going to do?

650
00:30:40,914 --> 00:30:42,633
Speaker 4: What uniforms around the league do you like?

651
00:30:42,714 --> 00:30:42,914
Speaker 8: Mike?

652
00:30:43,994 --> 00:30:45,474
Speaker 3: Oh, the powder blue?

653
00:30:45,914 --> 00:30:46,474
Speaker 5: No, I don't like that.

654
00:30:46,554 --> 00:30:47,354
Speaker 4: I like the classics.

655
00:30:47,394 --> 00:30:49,113
Speaker 5: I like the classics. I like, you know, I just

656
00:30:49,634 --> 00:30:52,554
Speaker 5: I love seeing the Steelers and the Packers and the

657
00:30:52,594 --> 00:30:54,673
Speaker 5: forty nine ers and I turned the TV on and

658
00:30:54,674 --> 00:30:56,994
Speaker 5: those are the teams I've been watching since I were kids,

659
00:30:56,994 --> 00:30:59,474
Speaker 5: and now are they great? Uniforms are not? Probably not?

660
00:30:59,594 --> 00:31:01,714
Speaker 5: But like I don't know, I just I want to

661
00:31:01,754 --> 00:31:03,473
Speaker 5: turn on the TV to the Broncos thing and know

662
00:31:03,514 --> 00:31:05,314
Speaker 5: what teams are playing. And I feel like I'm watching

663
00:31:05,354 --> 00:31:07,314
Speaker 5: the NFL. I'm not watching be in a league team

664
00:31:07,354 --> 00:31:10,554
Speaker 5: with you know, they've got like a Fusia alternative uniform today,

665
00:31:10,594 --> 00:31:12,234
Speaker 5: and you know I don't need all that, like I like.

666
00:31:12,474 --> 00:31:14,474
Speaker 6: So you don't like the new Celtics uniforms?

667
00:31:14,594 --> 00:31:15,154
Speaker 3: What you're saying?

668
00:31:15,154 --> 00:31:15,674
Speaker 4: No one does?

669
00:31:15,834 --> 00:31:21,153
Speaker 3: So after our game? After our game? Uh was it

670
00:31:21,154 --> 00:31:24,874
Speaker 3: this week? I think Dallas was on the late game

671
00:31:25,434 --> 00:31:29,314
Speaker 3: and Westwood One was Thanksgiving? Okay, so so that was

672
00:31:29,314 --> 00:31:31,754
Speaker 3: it must have been after the Thanksgiving game. I was

673
00:31:31,874 --> 00:31:35,153
Speaker 3: driving home and Westwood One had the game and the

674
00:31:35,234 --> 00:31:38,994
Speaker 3: announcer of that game on two different occasions, made it

675
00:31:39,034 --> 00:31:44,234
Speaker 3: a point to down to the stripe detail each team's uniform.

676
00:31:44,274 --> 00:31:47,034
Speaker 3: Did you happen to hear that? Oh my god? It

677
00:31:47,074 --> 00:31:50,234
Speaker 3: was like really on the call it was it was

678
00:31:50,274 --> 00:31:52,873
Speaker 3: Giants Dallas, right, yes, yeah, so you know the Giants

679
00:31:52,874 --> 00:31:55,834
Speaker 3: are wearing this that that they have the bold stripe,

680
00:31:55,914 --> 00:31:59,873
Speaker 3: the blue stripe going down the helmet, and it's like really.

681
00:32:00,474 --> 00:32:03,274
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh painting a picture. Yeah, I was trying to

682
00:32:03,314 --> 00:32:04,314
Speaker 4: capture the spirit.

683
00:32:03,994 --> 00:32:07,994
Speaker 3: Of the uh. Chad in La in response to the

684
00:32:08,034 --> 00:32:11,314
Speaker 3: email defending Bill, why can't we love Bill for what

685
00:32:11,354 --> 00:32:14,113
Speaker 3: he did and be happy he's gone. We would not

686
00:32:14,194 --> 00:32:16,754
Speaker 3: have May if Bill was still was still here. A

687
00:32:16,754 --> 00:32:18,034
Speaker 3: lot of people have said that. I don't know if

688
00:32:18,034 --> 00:32:21,074
Speaker 3: it's true, if you know, Bill would not have taken him, but.

689
00:32:21,194 --> 00:32:25,594
Speaker 4: It's probably true, But it is kind of becoming fact, right,

690
00:32:25,834 --> 00:32:26,194
Speaker 4: you know.

691
00:32:26,474 --> 00:32:30,314
Speaker 6: That's not why I I don't think that that's the

692
00:32:30,394 --> 00:32:32,874
Speaker 6: reason why Bill wasn't the right guy for the job

693
00:32:32,914 --> 00:32:33,994
Speaker 6: moving forward, you know what I mean?

694
00:32:34,074 --> 00:32:35,754
Speaker 4: Like, I know, I don't think he was doing a

695
00:32:35,754 --> 00:32:36,154
Speaker 4: good job.

696
00:32:36,274 --> 00:32:37,954
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like, I don't think it anything to do with

697
00:32:38,034 --> 00:32:41,274
Speaker 6: though we wouldn't have May. It just the roster is

698
00:32:41,514 --> 00:32:43,074
Speaker 6: what deteriorated and the record was.

699
00:32:43,354 --> 00:32:45,194
Speaker 4: But I do like the you know, like the two

700
00:32:45,234 --> 00:32:47,754
Speaker 4: things can be true. Yeah, you know, like you can

701
00:32:47,794 --> 00:32:50,474
Speaker 4: think that I can think that that Bill was a

702
00:32:50,474 --> 00:32:52,234
Speaker 4: great coach and that he needed to lose his job.

703
00:32:52,274 --> 00:32:55,234
Speaker 4: Why like, why can't those two things be true at

704
00:32:55,274 --> 00:32:55,674
Speaker 4: the same time.

705
00:32:55,954 --> 00:32:59,354
Speaker 3: That's my Like, I'm grateful for everything he's ever done.

706
00:32:59,874 --> 00:33:03,754
Speaker 3: Think he's the greatest coach, but it was time. I mean,

707
00:33:04,074 --> 00:33:07,354
Speaker 3: both things, both things can be true, you know.

708
00:33:07,914 --> 00:33:10,113
Speaker 5: I just wonder, like, in hindsight, I think about this

709
00:33:10,154 --> 00:33:11,954
Speaker 5: a little bit. It's like, what was the quarterback move

710
00:33:12,034 --> 00:33:14,514
Speaker 5: for him? Whether it was twenty twenty, twenty twenty one,

711
00:33:14,634 --> 00:33:16,514
Speaker 5: Like if you could go if he could go back

712
00:33:16,554 --> 00:33:19,594
Speaker 5: and rewind it and put a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers

713
00:33:19,674 --> 00:33:21,274
Speaker 5: or Kirk Cousins or a lot of those names that

714
00:33:21,314 --> 00:33:23,674
Speaker 5: we talked about as free agents, Like would anyone have

715
00:33:23,754 --> 00:33:27,074
Speaker 5: been able to prevent the downslide that kind of happened.

716
00:33:27,074 --> 00:33:29,393
Speaker 5: I mean, I know that the support system that he

717
00:33:29,554 --> 00:33:32,354
Speaker 5: installed around the quarterback was not ideal anyway, So any

718
00:33:32,434 --> 00:33:35,954
Speaker 5: quarterback Kirk Cousins, you know, Aaron Rodgers with are probably

719
00:33:35,954 --> 00:33:38,153
Speaker 5: not gonna work out that great, But I just I

720
00:33:38,234 --> 00:33:40,034
Speaker 5: just wonder what was the move, what was the move

721
00:33:40,074 --> 00:33:40,954
Speaker 5: in hindsight for him?

722
00:33:41,034 --> 00:33:43,913
Speaker 4: Like, but I think that's part of why Bill needed

723
00:33:43,954 --> 00:33:47,834
Speaker 4: to go. Yeah, because I really think the cliche of

724
00:33:47,874 --> 00:33:51,113
Speaker 4: Bill not believing that you needed that guy, right that

725
00:33:51,274 --> 00:33:55,474
Speaker 4: quarterback is true at heart. Now, if somehow Aaron Rodgers

726
00:33:55,554 --> 00:33:57,594
Speaker 4: was available in twenty twenty and Bill got him, I

727
00:33:57,594 --> 00:34:02,113
Speaker 4: think they would have continued to win. But like just

728
00:34:02,154 --> 00:34:04,474
Speaker 4: believing you can plug anybody in, and a lot of

729
00:34:04,474 --> 00:34:06,714
Speaker 4: people believe this, by the way, I know, like my

730
00:34:06,834 --> 00:34:09,514
Speaker 4: shows are always deemed to be like over the top negative.

731
00:34:09,914 --> 00:34:11,834
Speaker 4: We still make fun of felgerf for thinking they were

732
00:34:11,834 --> 00:34:14,074
Speaker 4: going to go twelve and four with Brian Hoyer and

733
00:34:14,074 --> 00:34:17,754
Speaker 4: win the division, right Like he felt like he believed

734
00:34:17,794 --> 00:34:22,554
Speaker 4: that that what Bill believed, like this the structural systems

735
00:34:22,754 --> 00:34:26,714
Speaker 4: place is everything and it will just be continuing to

736
00:34:26,794 --> 00:34:30,674
Speaker 4: win and kind of dismissing the importance of Brady. Obviously

737
00:34:30,754 --> 00:34:32,913
Speaker 4: didn't work out that way, but I think that Bill

738
00:34:32,994 --> 00:34:33,553
Speaker 4: thought it would.

739
00:34:33,674 --> 00:34:35,354
Speaker 5: Did you ever talk to Horror about that he's been

740
00:34:35,354 --> 00:34:38,354
Speaker 5: popping around here shooting his videos, No, because.

741
00:34:38,114 --> 00:34:40,154
Speaker 4: I think that's you know, it's a little probably a

742
00:34:40,194 --> 00:34:41,234
Speaker 4: little negative I just.

743
00:34:41,114 --> 00:34:43,073
Speaker 6: Think the biggest thing to me with Bill was that

744
00:34:43,154 --> 00:34:46,314
Speaker 6: he he lost that ability to stay one step ahead

745
00:34:46,754 --> 00:34:50,554
Speaker 6: of what was happening around him, like he for years

746
00:34:50,554 --> 00:34:55,114
Speaker 6: and years he was so good at being trendy, yeah,

747
00:34:55,194 --> 00:34:57,754
Speaker 6: or just like you know, being ahead of the curve

748
00:34:57,873 --> 00:35:01,154
Speaker 6: on so many things personnel wise too, like this guy

749
00:35:01,234 --> 00:35:03,234
Speaker 6: is starting to get older, that this guy is starting

750
00:35:03,234 --> 00:35:05,834
Speaker 6: to phase out, like we have the next guy, whether

751
00:35:05,873 --> 00:35:08,834
Speaker 6: it was coaching staff, whether it was players, whatever. And

752
00:35:08,873 --> 00:35:12,154
Speaker 6: then they got to twenty nineteen and Brady left. There

753
00:35:12,234 --> 00:35:15,914
Speaker 6: was no quarterback plan, right, like the planet quarterback was

754
00:35:15,913 --> 00:35:18,553
Speaker 6: was what Jared's did him. We'll figure it out, right,

755
00:35:18,594 --> 00:35:21,234
Speaker 6: you know, there was how do you leave yourself so

756
00:35:21,433 --> 00:35:23,594
Speaker 6: high and dry at the most important position? And it

757
00:35:23,634 --> 00:35:25,714
Speaker 6: almost makes you envious a little bit of like the

758
00:35:25,714 --> 00:35:27,234
Speaker 6: Green Bay Packers, Right.

759
00:35:27,074 --> 00:35:29,433
Speaker 3: Well, his plan was Garoppolo and Brady ruined it.

760
00:35:29,594 --> 00:35:31,834
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then you should have had winning super bowls

761
00:35:31,913 --> 00:35:32,754
Speaker 4: right to change the.

762
00:35:32,794 --> 00:35:35,754
Speaker 6: Plan then, And you know I understand that like eighteen

763
00:35:35,754 --> 00:35:38,274
Speaker 6: and nineteen, like those drafts, like you can look back

764
00:35:38,314 --> 00:35:40,754
Speaker 6: and there's not a ton of great options outside of

765
00:35:40,794 --> 00:35:43,274
Speaker 6: the first round, but like you know, everybody always brings

766
00:35:43,314 --> 00:35:45,034
Speaker 6: up Lamar Jackson, Like, I don't know if that was

767
00:35:45,154 --> 00:35:50,314
Speaker 6: necessarily feasible, Like that's probably unrealistic in twenty eighteen to

768
00:35:50,354 --> 00:35:52,274
Speaker 6: think that they were going to draft Lamar Jackson and

769
00:35:52,274 --> 00:35:55,393
Speaker 6: then sit him behind Brady for two years. But there

770
00:35:55,393 --> 00:35:58,953
Speaker 6: were other combinations to have somebody better in the pipeline

771
00:35:58,953 --> 00:36:02,274
Speaker 6: than Jared's did them that quarterback tight end? You know,

772
00:36:02,354 --> 00:36:04,913
Speaker 6: Rob Gronkowski retires or whatever you want to call his

773
00:36:05,274 --> 00:36:08,594
Speaker 6: hiatus they had, they called Ben Watson up off his

774
00:36:08,714 --> 00:36:11,953
Speaker 6: couch to come back and play here. You know, there

775
00:36:11,994 --> 00:36:15,194
Speaker 6: was no plan of who's the next guy? You know,

776
00:36:15,274 --> 00:36:17,914
Speaker 6: did we they adn't drafted tight end since they drafted

777
00:36:17,913 --> 00:36:21,434
Speaker 6: Gronkowski and Hernandez, like, they went that whole time without

778
00:36:21,514 --> 00:36:24,674
Speaker 6: drafting a tight end. So it just that was the

779
00:36:24,714 --> 00:36:27,274
Speaker 6: part to me that surprised me the most with Bill

780
00:36:27,314 --> 00:36:29,674
Speaker 6: at the end is that he lost that ability to

781
00:36:29,714 --> 00:36:31,513
Speaker 6: stay one step ahead of what was going on.

782
00:36:31,834 --> 00:36:34,393
Speaker 4: Those would be some of the tangible reasons, you know,

783
00:36:34,514 --> 00:36:38,194
Speaker 4: like on field, because he was always personnel wise a

784
00:36:38,194 --> 00:36:40,834
Speaker 4: step ahead. But I even look at you know, you

785
00:36:40,913 --> 00:36:43,433
Speaker 4: sort of started that by saying, you know, he kind

786
00:36:43,433 --> 00:36:46,114
Speaker 4: of lost that ability to be a step ahead. I

787
00:36:46,194 --> 00:36:50,473
Speaker 4: think of the league too, I think, you know, coming

788
00:36:50,514 --> 00:36:52,593
Speaker 4: out of the lockout, you know, he's like, well, there's

789
00:36:52,594 --> 00:36:54,874
Speaker 4: a lot less preparation time. We're going to go faster.

790
00:36:55,794 --> 00:36:57,714
Speaker 4: You know, we're going to put pressure on the defense.

791
00:36:57,913 --> 00:37:00,473
Speaker 4: We're going to go two tight ends. You know, way

792
00:37:00,514 --> 00:37:03,234
Speaker 4: more than everybody else does. You know, these kinds of

793
00:37:03,674 --> 00:37:06,593
Speaker 4: like sort of intangible things that he kind of thought

794
00:37:06,594 --> 00:37:08,754
Speaker 4: about ahead of time. Those are just a couple off

795
00:37:08,794 --> 00:37:12,114
Speaker 4: the top of my head. There's probably a million of them,

796
00:37:13,514 --> 00:37:16,554
Speaker 4: you know, sort of recognizing the teams. We're going to

797
00:37:16,634 --> 00:37:19,433
Speaker 4: start going wider in the box, and this is how

798
00:37:19,433 --> 00:37:21,473
Speaker 4: we're going to combat that. You know, We're going to

799
00:37:21,514 --> 00:37:23,673
Speaker 4: have these running backs that are you know, like Rex

800
00:37:23,714 --> 00:37:26,993
Speaker 4: Burkhead type guys that aren't you know that no one's

801
00:37:26,994 --> 00:37:29,314
Speaker 4: ever going to confuse him with Christian McCaffrey. But he's

802
00:37:29,314 --> 00:37:30,714
Speaker 4: a guy that can play on all three down. We

803
00:37:30,754 --> 00:37:33,114
Speaker 4: can run and we can throw with this guy on

804
00:37:33,154 --> 00:37:35,234
Speaker 4: the field, you know, and we have a guy like

805
00:37:35,354 --> 00:37:40,073
Speaker 4: James White and Shane Breen who can be weapons against matchups,

806
00:37:40,393 --> 00:37:43,393
Speaker 4: you know, and we can just sort of generate a

807
00:37:43,433 --> 00:37:46,033
Speaker 4: game plan around these matchups that we're going to take

808
00:37:46,034 --> 00:37:48,194
Speaker 4: advantage of. I think he kind of lost that too.

809
00:37:48,554 --> 00:37:50,194
Speaker 5: I think what was jarring too for me was what

810
00:37:50,754 --> 00:37:53,314
Speaker 5: made Bill so special in those early years was he's

811
00:37:53,314 --> 00:37:55,674
Speaker 5: a genius. He's a defensive genius. He's gonna shut down

812
00:37:55,714 --> 00:37:58,274
Speaker 5: the greatest show on turf. He's gonna you know, a

813
00:37:58,314 --> 00:38:00,673
Speaker 5: colts team that's never punted. He's got the game plan

814
00:38:00,714 --> 00:38:02,794
Speaker 5: to hold him to three points. You know, those things

815
00:38:02,834 --> 00:38:05,154
Speaker 5: early in his career where it was like he's just

816
00:38:05,393 --> 00:38:07,714
Speaker 5: got the code for a lot of these quarterbacks. Cut

817
00:38:07,754 --> 00:38:10,553
Speaker 5: to the end and you've got two young quarterbacks coming

818
00:38:10,634 --> 00:38:12,714
Speaker 5: up in your division that he couldn't figure out, Like

819
00:38:12,754 --> 00:38:14,714
Speaker 5: he couldn't figure out Josh Allen. He couldn't figure out

820
00:38:14,714 --> 00:38:16,714
Speaker 5: a way, you know, I mean they get up in Buffalo,

821
00:38:16,714 --> 00:38:18,794
Speaker 5: they get housed by those guys Like that was for

822
00:38:18,913 --> 00:38:21,314
Speaker 5: me starting to see those things where it's like he

823
00:38:21,314 --> 00:38:23,473
Speaker 5: doesn't have his fastball anymore, he doesn't have like the

824
00:38:23,554 --> 00:38:26,153
Speaker 5: defensive game plan where this young coure all of a sudden,

825
00:38:26,194 --> 00:38:29,953
Speaker 5: it's just whoa confused. They pretty much had their way

826
00:38:30,074 --> 00:38:32,234
Speaker 5: with him here, pasted him. You know, those guys that

827
00:38:32,514 --> 00:38:34,794
Speaker 5: it came from within the division. You know, that's what's

828
00:38:34,873 --> 00:38:37,314
Speaker 5: jarring to me, Those two pieces of the beginning in

829
00:38:37,354 --> 00:38:37,754
Speaker 5: the end.

830
00:38:37,714 --> 00:38:40,034
Speaker 6: I just wonder too, Like with Paul's point about the

831
00:38:40,433 --> 00:38:44,354
Speaker 6: personnel and evolving, you know, he still stuck to you know,

832
00:38:44,393 --> 00:38:48,354
Speaker 6: the Juwan Bentley types, the Jelaanni Deviz, the Lawrence guys

833
00:38:48,393 --> 00:38:52,194
Speaker 6: like these big you know, run stuffing three four ends

834
00:38:52,274 --> 00:38:55,434
Speaker 6: and things like that. And you're talking about Josh Allen

835
00:38:55,514 --> 00:38:58,314
Speaker 6: and the Buffalo Bills especially, you know, early on when

836
00:38:58,393 --> 00:39:01,234
Speaker 6: Josh Allen first started to turn the corner. You're not

837
00:39:01,274 --> 00:39:04,113
Speaker 6: gonna stop Josh Allen with with those guys out there,

838
00:39:04,114 --> 00:39:06,674
Speaker 6: with plotters out there at linebacker and things like that,

839
00:39:06,754 --> 00:39:10,194
Speaker 6: and it just seemed like he never adapted necessarily to

840
00:39:10,314 --> 00:39:13,354
Speaker 6: that style of play that was taking over the league.

841
00:39:13,354 --> 00:39:16,274
Speaker 6: Like I saw somebody wrote on Sunday that, you know,

842
00:39:16,554 --> 00:39:19,794
Speaker 6: all day they really missed Bill in that game against

843
00:39:19,794 --> 00:39:22,033
Speaker 6: the Colts. I was like, you think the like he

844
00:39:22,114 --> 00:39:24,633
Speaker 6: solved guys like Anthony Richardson, Like those were the guys

845
00:39:24,674 --> 00:39:27,274
Speaker 6: that always give trouble, you know, guys that could run

846
00:39:27,314 --> 00:39:30,354
Speaker 6: and dual threat quarterbacks. And I mean I remember, you

847
00:39:30,354 --> 00:39:35,234
Speaker 6: know Lamar Jackson in twenty nineteen, Deshaun Watson his rookie season, runners.

848
00:39:35,194 --> 00:39:37,834
Speaker 4: They saw that Lamar Jackson was like taking candy from

849
00:39:37,834 --> 00:39:41,354
Speaker 4: a baby. Oh that was Baltimore's offense was so good

850
00:39:41,354 --> 00:39:41,714
Speaker 4: that night.

851
00:39:41,794 --> 00:39:44,234
Speaker 3: I thought myself, who's ever going to be able to

852
00:39:44,274 --> 00:39:45,873
Speaker 3: stop this team? But other teams did.

853
00:39:46,034 --> 00:39:48,834
Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean, and look, Anthony Richardson isn't Lamar Jackson.

854
00:39:48,913 --> 00:39:52,154
Speaker 6: But that style of quarterback gave Bill problems even when

855
00:39:52,194 --> 00:39:54,114
Speaker 6: he was at the peak of his powers.

856
00:39:54,234 --> 00:39:54,554
Speaker 3: Yeah.

857
00:39:54,634 --> 00:39:58,473
Speaker 6: So I just that was always a big thing for him,

858
00:39:58,634 --> 00:40:01,993
Speaker 6: was the dual threat guys. And now everybody's a dual

859
00:40:02,034 --> 00:40:04,594
Speaker 6: threat guy. So I think that was a bit of

860
00:40:04,594 --> 00:40:05,754
Speaker 6: an adjustment for him too.

861
00:40:06,354 --> 00:40:09,314
Speaker 3: Kylon Pembroke has a would you rather gain? I want

862
00:40:09,314 --> 00:40:12,794
Speaker 3: to do that. Draft a wide receiver in round one

863
00:40:13,433 --> 00:40:16,754
Speaker 3: or trade for a veteran wide receiver. I'd like to

864
00:40:16,794 --> 00:40:20,433
Speaker 3: do both. But if you only could do one. Draft one,

865
00:40:21,154 --> 00:40:25,433
Speaker 3: draft one in round one, yeah, okay, sign of are

866
00:40:25,433 --> 00:40:29,354
Speaker 3: in cornerback two for Gonzo or draft a cornerback two

867
00:40:29,554 --> 00:40:31,314
Speaker 3: in one of the first three rounds.

868
00:40:31,714 --> 00:40:34,794
Speaker 5: Free agent free agent. I think that's lining up for them.

869
00:40:34,994 --> 00:40:36,554
Speaker 5: I think they're gonna get they can get a pretty

870
00:40:36,554 --> 00:40:38,953
Speaker 5: good cornerback. There's a pretty good market I think that

871
00:40:38,994 --> 00:40:40,834
Speaker 5: they'll beat. That'll be one of the places they'll spend

872
00:40:40,873 --> 00:40:42,754
Speaker 5: some of their money this year, will be getting a

873
00:40:42,873 --> 00:40:45,794
Speaker 5: solid compliment to Christian Zalez, I would I would bet on.

874
00:40:45,754 --> 00:40:48,994
Speaker 3: That, Okay, beat the Bills once and ruin their chances

875
00:40:48,994 --> 00:40:50,993
Speaker 3: of being the number one seed, allowing the Chiefs to

876
00:40:50,994 --> 00:40:53,954
Speaker 3: get it or be blown out in both games against

877
00:40:53,953 --> 00:40:57,234
Speaker 3: the Bills, getting them the number one beat the Bills.

878
00:40:57,393 --> 00:40:58,553
Speaker 4: I would rather beat the Bills.

879
00:40:58,634 --> 00:41:02,114
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. I don't care about get the number one seed.

880
00:41:02,234 --> 00:41:04,354
Speaker 6: I'm more worried about the Patriots draft pick. I thought

881
00:41:04,393 --> 00:41:06,354
Speaker 6: that's what we were talking about, the seed.

882
00:41:06,794 --> 00:41:08,913
Speaker 3: I'd rather beat the Bills. That's the kind of thing

883
00:41:09,314 --> 00:41:12,513
Speaker 3: that propels you into next season. If it's a legit win,

884
00:41:12,794 --> 00:41:15,393
Speaker 3: you know, like if they're playing all the close.

885
00:41:17,794 --> 00:41:18,234
Speaker 6: What about a.

886
00:41:19,754 --> 00:41:24,194
Speaker 3: Competitive losses be the Patriots, Bears, or Commanders for the

887
00:41:24,234 --> 00:41:25,754
Speaker 3: next five years, which of those three?

888
00:41:28,594 --> 00:41:34,354
Speaker 4: I don't know enough about the personnel in Washington in Chicago.

889
00:41:35,913 --> 00:41:37,194
Speaker 3: What about Cliff Kingsbury.

890
00:41:37,873 --> 00:41:39,473
Speaker 4: I think Cliff Kingsbury is not going to be in

891
00:41:39,554 --> 00:41:42,794
Speaker 4: Washington next year? Oh yeah, yeah, I think he's probably,

892
00:41:42,873 --> 00:41:46,194
Speaker 4: especially if they finished strong, he'll get a job.

893
00:41:46,354 --> 00:41:47,113
Speaker 6: It's a tough one.

894
00:41:47,274 --> 00:41:50,234
Speaker 4: He keeps failing upward Kingsbury.

895
00:41:50,473 --> 00:41:56,154
Speaker 6: I trust Washington I trust their their top level guys

896
00:41:56,194 --> 00:42:00,473
Speaker 6: a little bit more like Dan Quinn and Adam Peters,

897
00:42:00,554 --> 00:42:02,393
Speaker 6: just because I think they're both a little bit more

898
00:42:02,393 --> 00:42:07,154
Speaker 6: experienced and a little bit more prepared for their roles.

899
00:42:07,754 --> 00:42:11,674
Speaker 6: But I don't think that the Washington roster talent is

900
00:42:11,834 --> 00:42:14,194
Speaker 6: world's better than the Patriots.

901
00:42:14,194 --> 00:42:14,913
Speaker 4: I just it's not.

902
00:42:15,393 --> 00:42:18,354
Speaker 6: I just think Jayden Daniels was more pro ready than

903
00:42:18,473 --> 00:42:20,794
Speaker 6: Drake was, and and then they had a coach and

904
00:42:20,873 --> 00:42:23,073
Speaker 6: a GM that have been around the block a little

905
00:42:23,114 --> 00:42:27,993
Speaker 6: bit longer. The Bears probably have the best roster top

906
00:42:28,034 --> 00:42:30,314
Speaker 6: to bottom out of those three teams, but they can't

907
00:42:30,433 --> 00:42:32,194
Speaker 6: figure out the coach in the GM.

908
00:42:32,034 --> 00:42:34,834
Speaker 4: And they have a lot of money they're supposed to keep.

909
00:42:34,834 --> 00:42:38,674
Speaker 6: They're keeping Ryan Poles, which I'm surprised by. But I

910
00:42:38,674 --> 00:42:40,234
Speaker 6: guess they look at the roster and they see the

911
00:42:40,274 --> 00:42:42,354
Speaker 6: talent on the roster. And that's why I.

912
00:42:42,274 --> 00:42:45,354
Speaker 4: Thought the Jets might keep Joe Douglas, because I thought

913
00:42:45,393 --> 00:42:47,714
Speaker 4: they might look at that and say, talent's not our problem.

914
00:42:47,754 --> 00:42:48,714
Speaker 3: Right. Yeah.

915
00:42:48,754 --> 00:42:50,674
Speaker 6: I think the biggest thing with Joe Douglas was he's

916
00:42:50,714 --> 00:42:53,513
Speaker 6: failed at quarterback twice twice. Yeah, it's hard to come

917
00:42:53,554 --> 00:42:54,033
Speaker 6: back from that.

918
00:42:55,634 --> 00:43:01,194
Speaker 3: Danny's and Daytona. What's up, Danny, can you hear me?

919
00:43:01,433 --> 00:43:01,754
Speaker 4: Yes?

920
00:43:03,274 --> 00:43:06,114
Speaker 10: Okay, So I have I have retakes for you guys today.

921
00:43:07,194 --> 00:43:09,274
Speaker 11: I was I was reached on.

922
00:43:09,393 --> 00:43:13,473
Speaker 10: CBS Sports about the new facility. I'm glad that they

923
00:43:13,554 --> 00:43:17,473
Speaker 10: finally craft UH paid attention to the criticism in the

924
00:43:17,554 --> 00:43:20,674
Speaker 10: last season from the players about the facility. So I'm

925
00:43:20,674 --> 00:43:23,993
Speaker 10: happy to see that. The second take, I was kind

926
00:43:24,034 --> 00:43:26,673
Speaker 10: of annoyed as the Patriots didn't jump on UH since

927
00:43:26,674 --> 00:43:29,914
Speaker 10: their top on the uh our waiver claims to grab

928
00:43:30,114 --> 00:43:33,473
Speaker 10: Emmanuel Form. He was drafted a one pick higher than

929
00:43:33,994 --> 00:43:37,354
Speaker 10: Christian Gonzalez in the twenty twenty three draft, and I

930
00:43:37,354 --> 00:43:40,513
Speaker 10: know he struggled with Washington and they let him go

931
00:43:40,634 --> 00:43:43,993
Speaker 10: because he was he was out beat by some veterans

932
00:43:43,994 --> 00:43:47,074
Speaker 10: and some other rookies. But I don't think maybe his

933
00:43:47,194 --> 00:43:51,194
Speaker 10: positioning coach or whoever his situation there was good. But

934
00:43:51,433 --> 00:43:54,314
Speaker 10: I think the Patriots, especially my col Agrena, they probably

935
00:43:54,314 --> 00:43:56,754
Speaker 10: could have had a chance to see him as a

936
00:43:56,754 --> 00:43:58,473
Speaker 10: project and kind of help him. We probably could have

937
00:43:58,514 --> 00:44:03,354
Speaker 10: had another boundary corner. But that's my second take, and

938
00:44:03,393 --> 00:44:04,754
Speaker 10: then my last take is.

939
00:44:06,194 --> 00:44:06,314
Speaker 11: Uh.

940
00:44:06,994 --> 00:44:09,473
Speaker 10: I'm still gonna harp on the situation from last week

941
00:44:09,674 --> 00:44:12,473
Speaker 10: about the reason why I said gidd shouldn't be a

942
00:44:12,514 --> 00:44:14,873
Speaker 10: head coach, And I'm not knocking the man. I'm just

943
00:44:14,913 --> 00:44:19,034
Speaker 10: saying that he wasn't ready for this, uh this current

944
00:44:19,873 --> 00:44:22,354
Speaker 10: job at him and Elliott, and that's the reason why

945
00:44:22,393 --> 00:44:24,913
Speaker 10: I said I wouldn't want him to see him. He

946
00:44:24,913 --> 00:44:27,274
Speaker 10: should have been a coordinator at least for another two

947
00:44:27,354 --> 00:44:29,553
Speaker 10: or three more years and then worked to be a

948
00:44:29,594 --> 00:44:32,514
Speaker 10: head coach. I think he set himself up for failure

949
00:44:32,594 --> 00:44:34,754
Speaker 10: trying to take this job before he was ready. And

950
00:44:34,834 --> 00:44:38,514
Speaker 10: I think Craft definitely set him up for failure pushing

951
00:44:38,554 --> 00:44:41,114
Speaker 10: him into this job when he knew he wasn't ready.

952
00:44:41,634 --> 00:44:43,993
Speaker 10: And you look at Mike Tomblin. He worked his way

953
00:44:44,393 --> 00:44:47,674
Speaker 10: from a nobody on the staff up through the defensive ranks,

954
00:44:47,754 --> 00:44:49,873
Speaker 10: and then he was a coordinator, and then he got

955
00:44:49,913 --> 00:44:52,034
Speaker 10: the job after he did a great job in Tampa.

956
00:44:52,314 --> 00:44:54,513
Speaker 10: And then look at it. They just said, Mike's been

957
00:44:54,554 --> 00:44:57,834
Speaker 10: there with the Steelers for eighteen seasons.

958
00:44:57,594 --> 00:45:01,114
Speaker 3: It's all fair. I mean, everything you say is accurate.

959
00:45:01,194 --> 00:45:05,594
Speaker 3: So thanks Danny. You know my thing is okay. But

960
00:45:05,714 --> 00:45:08,674
Speaker 3: now he's here, so I'd rather stick it out and

961
00:45:08,754 --> 00:45:12,834
Speaker 3: hope he takes the year two jump than start over again, right,

962
00:45:12,953 --> 00:45:15,114
Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying.

963
00:45:15,194 --> 00:45:18,274
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't necessarily think that you need to follow

964
00:45:18,274 --> 00:45:22,114
Speaker 6: the Tomlin route of being assistant and then a coordinator

965
00:45:22,194 --> 00:45:24,714
Speaker 6: for like a long long time. I mean, there's a

966
00:45:24,754 --> 00:45:27,634
Speaker 6: lot of really good head coach. Sean McVay was a

967
00:45:27,714 --> 00:45:30,794
Speaker 6: coordinator for like two or three years before he became

968
00:45:30,834 --> 00:45:33,394
Speaker 6: the Rams coach. He was youngest coach in NFL history.

969
00:45:34,034 --> 00:45:36,314
Speaker 6: So I don't think you need to do that. But

970
00:45:36,393 --> 00:45:39,873
Speaker 6: I do agree with his point that he probably wasn't

971
00:45:40,114 --> 00:45:43,433
Speaker 6: ready for it, and I put that, you know, more

972
00:45:43,473 --> 00:45:46,633
Speaker 6: on on mister Kraftford for not seeing that he wasn't

973
00:45:46,634 --> 00:45:48,913
Speaker 6: ready for it. Now, how do you buffer it? I don't.

974
00:45:48,953 --> 00:45:51,354
Speaker 6: I don't know, right, Like, you know that that means

975
00:45:51,354 --> 00:45:53,834
Speaker 6: another year or two of Bill and you know that

976
00:45:53,913 --> 00:45:56,513
Speaker 6: whole thing. I don't have the answer to that. But

977
00:45:56,873 --> 00:45:59,314
Speaker 6: there he's learning on the job and he doesn't have

978
00:45:59,354 --> 00:46:02,194
Speaker 6: the roster to learn on the job and win, right,

979
00:46:02,354 --> 00:46:05,274
Speaker 6: So you know, I use this comparison across sports, like

980
00:46:05,274 --> 00:46:07,714
Speaker 6: with the Celtics, like Joe Mizzula wasn't ready for the

981
00:46:07,794 --> 00:46:10,474
Speaker 6: job either, but he had Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum

982
00:46:10,514 --> 00:46:12,594
Speaker 6: so they went to the Eastern Conference finals, right, and

983
00:46:14,514 --> 00:46:17,113
Speaker 6: they were one game away from a champion from going

984
00:46:17,154 --> 00:46:19,473
Speaker 6: back to the finals. But they were just in the

985
00:46:19,473 --> 00:46:22,274
Speaker 6: finals the year before. You know, this team was a

986
00:46:22,314 --> 00:46:25,513
Speaker 6: rebuilding project that also has a green head coach. So

987
00:46:25,554 --> 00:46:26,873
Speaker 6: those things didn't work out.

988
00:46:27,314 --> 00:46:29,754
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Speaker 14: Yeah, you know, after watching the film and talking to

1018
00:48:06,074 --> 00:48:08,073
Speaker 14: some of the players, you know, it's a disappointing game.

1019
00:48:08,834 --> 00:48:11,314
Speaker 14: When you think about the one score games that we've

1020
00:48:11,354 --> 00:48:14,234
Speaker 14: been in this year, I think we've had seven of them,

1021
00:48:14,433 --> 00:48:18,274
Speaker 14: it's always disappointing to come out on this side. I thought, overall,

1022
00:48:18,674 --> 00:48:21,834
Speaker 14: I thought this was the best performance from our offense that.

1023
00:48:21,794 --> 00:48:25,234
Speaker 8: We've had all season. The way that those guys are

1024
00:48:25,274 --> 00:48:25,874
Speaker 8: on the ball.

1025
00:48:26,834 --> 00:48:29,393
Speaker 14: There were some you know, some protection issues but I

1026
00:48:29,393 --> 00:48:31,714
Speaker 14: would say for the most part, I was pretty good.

1027
00:48:31,754 --> 00:48:33,234
Speaker 8: And you know we're able to throw the ball.

1028
00:48:33,473 --> 00:48:36,314
Speaker 14: That's always a good formula to be balanced like that

1029
00:48:36,953 --> 00:48:40,073
Speaker 14: in a game. Defensively, you know, we had a few

1030
00:48:40,154 --> 00:48:41,674
Speaker 14: drives there, good drives.

1031
00:48:42,234 --> 00:48:42,433
Speaker 8: You know.

1032
00:48:42,433 --> 00:48:44,473
Speaker 14: Obviously if you take away that last drive, I think

1033
00:48:44,473 --> 00:48:47,314
Speaker 14: it was like seventeen eighteen plays, We're all feeling a

1034
00:48:47,314 --> 00:48:51,114
Speaker 14: little bit better about the game. Definitely things to build on.

1035
00:48:51,154 --> 00:48:53,314
Speaker 14: I would say those guys played until the last seconds.

1036
00:48:53,634 --> 00:48:56,154
Speaker 14: As you guys saw it was still had an opportunity

1037
00:48:56,234 --> 00:48:59,153
Speaker 14: at the end of the game. Special teams wise, we've

1038
00:48:59,154 --> 00:49:01,113
Speaker 14: got to make some of those kicks, kind of put

1039
00:49:01,194 --> 00:49:05,314
Speaker 14: Joey Joey hit the ball well pre game. Obviously, at

1040
00:49:05,314 --> 00:49:06,834
Speaker 14: the end of the game, whether it's a hell Mary

1041
00:49:06,953 --> 00:49:08,834
Speaker 14: or a field goal, I mean to me, the odds

1042
00:49:08,834 --> 00:49:11,794
Speaker 14: are pretty much the same, especially when the win wasn't

1043
00:49:11,834 --> 00:49:15,074
Speaker 14: really a big factor in the game. Coming up on

1044
00:49:15,114 --> 00:49:16,593
Speaker 14: the BIE week is going to be a huge week

1045
00:49:16,594 --> 00:49:20,393
Speaker 14: for us. Much needed bye week, not only physically for

1046
00:49:20,473 --> 00:49:23,114
Speaker 14: the players but also mentally being able to hit the

1047
00:49:23,154 --> 00:49:26,113
Speaker 14: reset button and come back in and you know, put

1048
00:49:26,154 --> 00:49:28,634
Speaker 14: some put some good games together and continue to build

1049
00:49:28,953 --> 00:49:30,953
Speaker 14: for the future and that has to be our goal.

1050
00:49:32,994 --> 00:49:35,194
Speaker 15: And we'll start with the first question from Mike Grease.

1051
00:49:36,393 --> 00:49:38,593
Speaker 16: True, I wanted to ask you on the on the

1052
00:49:38,634 --> 00:49:41,714
Speaker 16: Colts final drive. We talked a little bit about the

1053
00:49:41,834 --> 00:49:45,074
Speaker 16: possible challenge on that third and ten play and maybe

1054
00:49:45,114 --> 00:49:47,354
Speaker 16: not having a clear view of it. I just wanted

1055
00:49:47,354 --> 00:49:50,033
Speaker 16: to get your thoughts on on what your thoughts are

1056
00:49:50,074 --> 00:49:53,794
Speaker 16: on maybe even just throwing that anyway in that situation,

1057
00:49:53,994 --> 00:49:55,834
Speaker 16: just given the game situation, like what is.

1058
00:49:55,834 --> 00:49:58,434
Speaker 5: Your philosophy on that particular situation.

1059
00:49:59,154 --> 00:50:00,714
Speaker 14: That's a great question, you know, I would say the

1060
00:50:00,714 --> 00:50:04,274
Speaker 14: timeouts are definitely vital, uh in those in those positions.

1061
00:50:04,354 --> 00:50:06,073
Speaker 8: You know, we lost more challenge like that.

1062
00:50:06,314 --> 00:50:07,993
Speaker 14: Last week we lost one of the forty nine ers,

1063
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Speaker 14: and I would say this week is hands at least

1064
00:50:09,994 --> 00:50:13,393
Speaker 14: the one clip that I saw real quick, and.

1065
00:50:13,473 --> 00:50:15,993
Speaker 8: It was just it was just a tough It was tough.

1066
00:50:16,074 --> 00:50:17,473
Speaker 8: It was a tough for me as far as like

1067
00:50:17,594 --> 00:50:18,674
Speaker 8: they catch you did not catch you.

1068
00:50:18,674 --> 00:50:20,873
Speaker 14: I understand your question now as far as like momentum

1069
00:50:21,034 --> 00:50:23,193
Speaker 14: and things like that, but at that point in time,

1070
00:50:23,994 --> 00:50:24,794
Speaker 14: I didn't feel like we.

1071
00:50:24,754 --> 00:50:25,593
Speaker 8: Had a good few.

1072
00:50:27,354 --> 00:50:30,234
Speaker 15: Next question, Doug kaide I.

1073
00:50:30,274 --> 00:50:33,034
Speaker 7: Drawed on the on the two point version it looked

1074
00:50:33,074 --> 00:50:37,234
Speaker 7: like Christian Barmore might have been held, might have been penalized,

1075
00:50:37,314 --> 00:50:39,754
Speaker 7: or like that he possibly could have had a flag

1076
00:50:39,834 --> 00:50:42,554
Speaker 7: throw and against the offensive lineman on a play. Curious

1077
00:50:42,594 --> 00:50:44,794
Speaker 7: to see or curious to hear what you thought of

1078
00:50:44,794 --> 00:50:47,113
Speaker 7: that play after the film?

1079
00:50:47,234 --> 00:50:50,514
Speaker 14: Look, they didn't call it. I thought he got held,

1080
00:50:50,554 --> 00:50:52,953
Speaker 14: and I watched the film. I mean it's pretty clear

1081
00:50:52,994 --> 00:50:55,274
Speaker 14: to me, but it wasn't called. And so there's no

1082
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Speaker 14: excuses for me on that.

1083
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Speaker 7: And one other quick question. You just said that if

1084
00:51:00,274 --> 00:51:02,154
Speaker 7: you take up the final drive, then obviously you guys

1085
00:51:02,194 --> 00:51:05,473
Speaker 7: are feeling a lot better about the game. There's been

1086
00:51:05,514 --> 00:51:07,314
Speaker 7: a few instances this season where you've said, like if

1087
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Speaker 7: you take out a few big runs or if you

1088
00:51:09,074 --> 00:51:11,913
Speaker 7: take out his drive. I'm just curious what, like what

1089
00:51:11,994 --> 00:51:15,354
Speaker 7: message that sends the players or the team that if

1090
00:51:15,354 --> 00:51:17,913
Speaker 7: you take out the worst thing that happens, that that

1091
00:51:17,953 --> 00:51:19,433
Speaker 7: you guys are gonna feel better after the game.

1092
00:51:19,634 --> 00:51:21,113
Speaker 14: Yeah, And when I talk to the team, I tell

1093
00:51:21,154 --> 00:51:22,433
Speaker 14: him all the time, I don't I don't have a

1094
00:51:22,433 --> 00:51:24,474
Speaker 14: crystal ball on what play is going to be important,

1095
00:51:25,314 --> 00:51:27,993
Speaker 14: But you're you're exactly right. Those are those are you know,

1096
00:51:28,034 --> 00:51:30,234
Speaker 14: that's what the NFL is the NFL has comes down

1097
00:51:30,274 --> 00:51:32,473
Speaker 14: to a few plays. And that's really my message when

1098
00:51:32,514 --> 00:51:34,874
Speaker 14: I say it, like it comes down to a few plays.

1099
00:51:34,913 --> 00:51:36,834
Speaker 14: So you look at it from one way, you know,

1100
00:51:37,194 --> 00:51:38,794
Speaker 14: if we would have done this, and then you look

1101
00:51:38,794 --> 00:51:41,033
Speaker 14: at it the other way. We didn't get it done,

1102
00:51:41,074 --> 00:51:42,674
Speaker 14: and so that's kind of why we're here.

1103
00:51:42,714 --> 00:51:42,913
Speaker 5: Now.

1104
00:51:43,114 --> 00:51:45,953
Speaker 14: We've had seven one score games and I think we're

1105
00:51:45,953 --> 00:51:47,473
Speaker 14: two and five in those games, and we just got

1106
00:51:47,514 --> 00:51:49,553
Speaker 14: to be better. And again that's what the NFL is.

1107
00:51:50,234 --> 00:51:50,553
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1108
00:51:51,674 --> 00:51:53,274
Speaker 15: Next question, so if you willa.

1109
00:51:55,554 --> 00:52:00,553
Speaker 17: As your Rid's curious about Christian Ellis. Last season when

1110
00:52:00,554 --> 00:52:02,994
Speaker 17: he came in, he was used primarily on special teams,

1111
00:52:03,354 --> 00:52:05,553
Speaker 17: but it really feels like the season you're utilizing him

1112
00:52:05,554 --> 00:52:07,674
Speaker 17: a lot more on defense and then to see him

1113
00:52:07,714 --> 00:52:10,834
Speaker 17: kind of get that interception yesterday, just what you've seen

1114
00:52:10,834 --> 00:52:13,993
Speaker 17: from him and how he's grown to become one of

1115
00:52:14,074 --> 00:52:15,834
Speaker 17: these key defensive players for you.

1116
00:52:16,754 --> 00:52:18,794
Speaker 14: Yeah, part of that, you know, is due to injury.

1117
00:52:18,834 --> 00:52:21,433
Speaker 14: And I would say primarily he was here to help

1118
00:52:21,473 --> 00:52:24,194
Speaker 14: us on special teams, but has always been very doubting

1119
00:52:24,274 --> 00:52:26,154
Speaker 14: and defensive meeting. And now he's playing a lot of

1120
00:52:26,154 --> 00:52:29,673
Speaker 14: football for us and doing a pretty good job. Look,

1121
00:52:29,714 --> 00:52:31,714
Speaker 14: we always talk about that next man up mentality, and

1122
00:52:31,754 --> 00:52:33,633
Speaker 14: he has embraced that and he's out there making play

1123
00:52:33,714 --> 00:52:34,473
Speaker 14: for us.

1124
00:52:34,994 --> 00:52:35,433
Speaker 15: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks.

1126
00:52:36,674 --> 00:52:39,553
Speaker 15: Next question to coat A. Randall want to.

1127
00:52:39,594 --> 00:52:42,914
Speaker 18: Droud and at the beginning of the year, you said

1128
00:52:43,433 --> 00:52:45,834
Speaker 18: a successful season would be being competitive each week and

1129
00:52:45,873 --> 00:52:48,913
Speaker 18: getting better. It's a season progresses. You've been competitive in

1130
00:52:48,913 --> 00:52:50,754
Speaker 18: a lot of these games. But as you answered the

1131
00:52:50,754 --> 00:52:52,674
Speaker 18: bye week, what things can you point to that the

1132
00:52:52,714 --> 00:52:55,393
Speaker 18: team got better app over the first thirteen weeks.

1133
00:52:56,674 --> 00:52:58,594
Speaker 14: Yeah, First of all, we'll just say we have a

1134
00:52:58,674 --> 00:53:01,953
Speaker 14: very resilient team. We've been in games where you know,

1135
00:53:01,994 --> 00:53:04,433
Speaker 14: most people would just quit. Our guys, you know, they

1136
00:53:04,473 --> 00:53:08,554
Speaker 14: have great mental toughness and they continue to play good football.

1137
00:53:08,594 --> 00:53:10,873
Speaker 14: What I would say is this overall, our consistency just

1138
00:53:10,913 --> 00:53:13,114
Speaker 14: needs to improve. You know, you look at the beginning

1139
00:53:13,114 --> 00:53:15,874
Speaker 14: part of the year, we're a good cover team, special

1140
00:53:15,913 --> 00:53:18,794
Speaker 14: teams wise, and now you know yesterday obviously we had

1141
00:53:18,794 --> 00:53:20,873
Speaker 14: a good game there, but our return game has stepped up.

1142
00:53:20,873 --> 00:53:23,713
Speaker 14: And it's really just about putting everything together that we've

1143
00:53:23,754 --> 00:53:25,834
Speaker 14: done at points in the season to be a good

1144
00:53:25,834 --> 00:53:26,473
Speaker 14: football team.

1145
00:53:26,514 --> 00:53:28,074
Speaker 8: And I wish you have to continue to do that.

1146
00:53:30,234 --> 00:53:33,314
Speaker 15: We'll try to get to everyone's question too. The next question, Chris.

1147
00:53:33,154 --> 00:53:40,033
Speaker 19: Ryan Heydrod, as you mentioned earlier, Hey, just uh you

1148
00:53:40,234 --> 00:53:43,473
Speaker 19: mentioned a lot of these games, uh, seven games in

1149
00:53:43,514 --> 00:53:47,113
Speaker 19: which you've been within a score, kind of getting lost

1150
00:53:47,114 --> 00:53:50,234
Speaker 19: in the margins. From a coaching standpoint, how do you

1151
00:53:50,393 --> 00:53:53,594
Speaker 19: get the guys to a point where there is more consistency,

1152
00:53:53,794 --> 00:53:57,074
Speaker 19: there is more attention to detail and you are able

1153
00:53:57,114 --> 00:53:59,473
Speaker 19: to win the margins and games where you outgained the

1154
00:53:59,473 --> 00:54:00,474
Speaker 19: opponent like yesterday.

1155
00:54:01,274 --> 00:54:03,873
Speaker 14: Yeah, look, it starts in practice and it starts with

1156
00:54:04,074 --> 00:54:06,274
Speaker 14: just how you just said, the details. We just have

1157
00:54:06,393 --> 00:54:09,674
Speaker 14: to be on point every snap and hopefully after this

1158
00:54:09,714 --> 00:54:12,154
Speaker 14: bye week the guys come back, we'refreshed and ready to

1159
00:54:12,194 --> 00:54:13,594
Speaker 14: go and try to put some games together.

1160
00:54:14,754 --> 00:54:17,834
Speaker 15: Thank next question, Marck Daniels.

1161
00:54:20,074 --> 00:54:23,513
Speaker 20: Hedrod, Good morning with the With such a young team,

1162
00:54:24,114 --> 00:54:26,913
Speaker 20: how hard is it to teach some of these teams

1163
00:54:27,034 --> 00:54:27,754
Speaker 20: or as a team to.

1164
00:54:27,754 --> 00:54:28,393
Speaker 8: Learn how to win?

1165
00:54:28,514 --> 00:54:30,434
Speaker 20: You know, obviously you guys have lost some close games,

1166
00:54:30,433 --> 00:54:32,393
Speaker 20: But how tough is it? Is it the lessons that

1167
00:54:32,433 --> 00:54:34,194
Speaker 20: you've been I'm saying is you've been on a lot

1168
00:54:34,194 --> 00:54:35,354
Speaker 20: of teams, have won a lot of games. You know,

1169
00:54:35,473 --> 00:54:37,274
Speaker 20: how hard is it to sort of teach this and

1170
00:54:37,314 --> 00:54:39,113
Speaker 20: you know how important is it through these final four

1171
00:54:39,154 --> 00:54:41,074
Speaker 20: games is try to hone in you know whatever that

1172
00:54:41,154 --> 00:54:41,634
Speaker 20: lesson is.

1173
00:54:42,114 --> 00:54:44,433
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's it's very tough, and I think you know,

1174
00:54:44,514 --> 00:54:46,714
Speaker 14: once you tip over that first domino of going out

1175
00:54:46,754 --> 00:54:48,634
Speaker 14: there playing well and being able to win back to

1176
00:54:48,714 --> 00:54:52,033
Speaker 14: back games, that's when you really start to say, all right,

1177
00:54:52,114 --> 00:54:55,033
Speaker 14: we're doing a good job, and look that's my job.

1178
00:54:55,114 --> 00:54:56,913
Speaker 14: That's my job is to get these guys ready to

1179
00:54:56,953 --> 00:54:58,834
Speaker 14: go and obviously winning cures.

1180
00:54:58,873 --> 00:55:03,154
Speaker 15: All Thank you, thanks, Next question Dan Rich.

1181
00:55:05,274 --> 00:55:05,914
Speaker 8: Morning, Gerard.

1182
00:55:06,234 --> 00:55:08,794
Speaker 9: Okay, just a one of those lines of what Mark

1183
00:55:08,913 --> 00:55:11,314
Speaker 9: was asking. You have a pretty good chunk of time

1184
00:55:11,354 --> 00:55:13,033
Speaker 9: for the players off here, what would you like them

1185
00:55:13,074 --> 00:55:14,633
Speaker 9: to do in that period of time?

1186
00:55:14,714 --> 00:55:15,234
Speaker 8: Reflect on?

1187
00:55:15,314 --> 00:55:17,113
Speaker 9: And then what would you like to see from your

1188
00:55:17,114 --> 00:55:19,794
Speaker 9: team for the next four weeks after that coming out

1189
00:55:19,834 --> 00:55:20,354
Speaker 9: of the break.

1190
00:55:21,034 --> 00:55:24,193
Speaker 14: To me, they should reflect on what they what they've

1191
00:55:24,234 --> 00:55:26,354
Speaker 14: done to this point, and what they can do more

1192
00:55:26,514 --> 00:55:29,834
Speaker 14: going forward. And then from a that's from an individual standpoint,

1193
00:55:29,873 --> 00:55:32,033
Speaker 14: I would also say from a collective standpoint, what more

1194
00:55:32,074 --> 00:55:34,553
Speaker 14: can I want them to think about? What more can

1195
00:55:34,594 --> 00:55:36,513
Speaker 14: I do to help this team win games? And that's

1196
00:55:36,514 --> 00:55:39,154
Speaker 14: also for the coaches as well, and definitely for myself

1197
00:55:39,514 --> 00:55:42,674
Speaker 14: reflecting on how do we get this team winning on

1198
00:55:42,714 --> 00:55:44,913
Speaker 14: a consistent basis and to me that that cures all.

1199
00:55:45,114 --> 00:55:46,594
Speaker 9: And how will you spend your time? You need a

1200
00:55:46,634 --> 00:55:48,434
Speaker 9: quick mental break? What do you think you need?

1201
00:55:49,913 --> 00:55:52,633
Speaker 14: No, you know, look, I'll take a quick break. But look,

1202
00:55:52,634 --> 00:55:54,834
Speaker 14: there are definitely a lot of things that will happen

1203
00:55:54,873 --> 00:55:57,913
Speaker 14: here over the next few weeks. And still focusing on

1204
00:55:57,953 --> 00:55:59,953
Speaker 14: the season obviously, but you also have to look out

1205
00:55:59,953 --> 00:56:01,794
Speaker 14: the front windshield of things that are going to come

1206
00:56:01,873 --> 00:56:03,953
Speaker 14: up on as fast and those are some of the

1207
00:56:04,714 --> 00:56:07,234
Speaker 14: decisions or conversations that I'll have during the week.

1208
00:56:07,594 --> 00:56:13,153
Speaker 15: Thank you, Thanks, Next question, Nick Giovanni, Morning coach.

1209
00:56:13,433 --> 00:56:16,033
Speaker 21: I've just following up along the bye week theme there,

1210
00:56:16,114 --> 00:56:20,953
Speaker 21: just how how, if anyway, did yesterday's outcome impact just

1211
00:56:20,994 --> 00:56:22,953
Speaker 21: how you're approaching the bye week there in terms of

1212
00:56:22,994 --> 00:56:25,634
Speaker 21: victory mondays and just you know, how you're going about that,

1213
00:56:25,714 --> 00:56:28,393
Speaker 21: and then what in terms of the evaluation process that

1214
00:56:28,433 --> 00:56:30,674
Speaker 21: you've been talking about, Uh, you know, what what is

1215
00:56:30,674 --> 00:56:32,314
Speaker 21: the mindset for the for the final four?

1216
00:56:33,354 --> 00:56:35,594
Speaker 14: Yeah to be you know, some of those victory mondays

1217
00:56:35,634 --> 00:56:37,953
Speaker 14: early on were just a case of you know, our

1218
00:56:37,994 --> 00:56:40,594
Speaker 14: bye week being so far out and you know, some

1219
00:56:40,674 --> 00:56:43,314
Speaker 14: of the guys needed to rest their mind, rest their body,

1220
00:56:43,354 --> 00:56:45,794
Speaker 14: and so it was very difficult, uh doing that.

1221
00:56:45,994 --> 00:56:48,714
Speaker 8: The second part of your question was what again, sorry.

1222
00:56:49,194 --> 00:56:51,593
Speaker 21: Just in terms of the evaluation process that you've been

1223
00:56:51,674 --> 00:56:52,953
Speaker 21: talking about going through something.

1224
00:56:53,674 --> 00:56:57,194
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, well, you know, we'll do our self scout stuff,

1225
00:56:58,074 --> 00:57:00,033
Speaker 14: you know, see what we're doing schematically, and then we'll

1226
00:57:00,074 --> 00:57:03,794
Speaker 14: also see you know, we'll get our player evals in

1227
00:57:03,873 --> 00:57:05,873
Speaker 14: as well. Up until this point and then you're going

1228
00:57:05,913 --> 00:57:08,433
Speaker 14: into the last four games, it's just about going out

1229
00:57:08,433 --> 00:57:10,274
Speaker 14: there playing confromentary football and winning.

1230
00:57:12,034 --> 00:57:12,433
Speaker 8: Thanks sir.

1231
00:57:12,913 --> 00:57:15,674
Speaker 15: Thanks, next question Taylor Kyles.

1232
00:57:17,634 --> 00:57:20,073
Speaker 22: Hey, coach, thank you so much for your time. I

1233
00:57:20,074 --> 00:57:21,954
Speaker 22: had a question about a couple of things. One, the

1234
00:57:22,114 --> 00:57:25,154
Speaker 22: first touchdown that answering Anthony Richardson threw, it looked like

1235
00:57:25,394 --> 00:57:27,153
Speaker 22: there was like a four by one. Look they kind

1236
00:57:27,154 --> 00:57:29,714
Speaker 22: of got to the line fast. Was that a miscommunication

1237
00:57:29,834 --> 00:57:32,234
Speaker 22: or something maybe they hadn't shown before. And also it

1238
00:57:32,274 --> 00:57:34,234
Speaker 22: looked like that QB sweep they were kind of hitting

1239
00:57:34,234 --> 00:57:36,234
Speaker 22: pretty consistently. I was wondering what your thoughts were on

1240
00:57:36,274 --> 00:57:36,674
Speaker 22: that play.

1241
00:57:37,074 --> 00:57:40,074
Speaker 14: Yeah, they've shown it before and really like we just

1242
00:57:40,114 --> 00:57:42,194
Speaker 14: got to go out there and make the play like

1243
00:57:42,234 --> 00:57:45,474
Speaker 14: those loaded formations. Every team does things like that. Obviously,

1244
00:57:45,474 --> 00:57:48,154
Speaker 14: when you have a quarterback that can also run, uh,

1245
00:57:48,274 --> 00:57:50,274
Speaker 14: you know, he's always a threat. And I would say,

1246
00:57:50,474 --> 00:57:52,394
Speaker 14: I think you hit on the head again. Like you know,

1247
00:57:52,434 --> 00:57:55,914
Speaker 14: the quarterback design runs were definitely a problem, and we

1248
00:57:56,034 --> 00:57:57,874
Speaker 14: just had to get that fixed. Anytime it's a quarterback

1249
00:57:57,874 --> 00:57:59,954
Speaker 14: that can run, he just adds another piece of the puzzle.

1250
00:58:00,274 --> 00:58:04,194
Speaker 8: Uh. And we'll see that here coming up soon. Thank you.

1251
00:58:04,234 --> 00:58:04,434
Speaker 3: Thanks.

1252
00:58:04,994 --> 00:58:08,394
Speaker 15: Next question, Mike Giatti, mardin.

1253
00:58:08,194 --> 00:58:11,514
Speaker 23: You a couple of quick ones for you on the

1254
00:58:11,874 --> 00:58:14,554
Speaker 23: on the touchdown to Pierce of the final touchdown, there

1255
00:58:15,194 --> 00:58:19,834
Speaker 23: he crosses Pepper's face, gives him like a slight for him.

1256
00:58:19,874 --> 00:58:21,034
Speaker 23: Do you want to see him get a little bit

1257
00:58:21,034 --> 00:58:22,914
Speaker 23: more of a piece of him to slow him down

1258
00:58:22,954 --> 00:58:23,514
Speaker 23: on the crosser.

1259
00:58:24,714 --> 00:58:27,994
Speaker 14: I mean that's always uh, part of our mentality is

1260
00:58:27,994 --> 00:58:31,593
Speaker 14: to chip these receivers. And look, when it's all said

1261
00:58:31,594 --> 00:58:33,554
Speaker 14: and done, he scored a touchdown and we just all

1262
00:58:33,594 --> 00:58:35,154
Speaker 14: have to be better. I'll talk about the marriage of

1263
00:58:35,194 --> 00:58:38,154
Speaker 14: Russian coverage as well, so it's not just one individual,

1264
00:58:38,154 --> 00:58:39,474
Speaker 14: it's just as an entire unit.

1265
00:58:39,874 --> 00:58:42,434
Speaker 23: And then to Taylor's point about the four by one,

1266
00:58:43,234 --> 00:58:45,673
Speaker 23: they were going fast. It seemed like you guys weren't set.

1267
00:58:45,794 --> 00:58:48,194
Speaker 23: Is that another issue where communication got challenged.

1268
00:58:48,874 --> 00:58:50,874
Speaker 14: Look, anytime an offense goes to the ball fast, you

1269
00:58:50,914 --> 00:58:53,034
Speaker 14: have to be ready for some type of perimeter play,

1270
00:58:53,114 --> 00:58:55,874
Speaker 14: and we just had to have more of a sense

1271
00:58:55,914 --> 00:58:57,834
Speaker 14: of urgency on that play to get lined up and go.

1272
00:58:58,354 --> 00:58:58,674
Speaker 23: I do.

1273
00:59:00,234 --> 00:59:02,314
Speaker 6: And now great moments in.

1274
00:59:04,594 --> 00:59:05,074
Speaker 3: History.

1275
00:59:05,354 --> 00:59:07,954
Speaker 6: I'm sure it doesn't surprise anybody that I am a

1276
00:59:07,954 --> 00:59:12,354
Speaker 6: food snob. Yeah, I did that food. That's what I'm saying.

1277
00:59:13,354 --> 00:59:16,474
Speaker 3: Surprise anybody Patrick Patrick and Ottawa thinks I'm a food

1278
00:59:16,514 --> 00:59:19,554
Speaker 3: snow he says when Fred, When Fred speaks of food,

1279
00:59:19,594 --> 00:59:23,954
Speaker 3: it's with such snobbery. Yes, there's no question he channels

1280
00:59:23,994 --> 00:59:24,794
Speaker 3: the soul of Eric.

1281
00:59:25,314 --> 00:59:27,474
Speaker 4: You tell everybody, don't get this, get this.

1282
00:59:27,474 --> 00:59:29,914
Speaker 3: This is the better I can't maker Fred.

1283
00:59:30,274 --> 00:59:32,194
Speaker 6: I feel like Fred and I are on the same wavelength.

1284
00:59:32,194 --> 00:59:33,874
Speaker 6: But he takes he does it a little bit more

1285
00:59:33,914 --> 00:59:34,354
Speaker 6: than idea.

1286
00:59:34,394 --> 00:59:37,394
Speaker 4: He's worse than you at it. Yes, I smash one

1287
00:59:37,954 --> 00:59:41,474
Speaker 4: before smash burgers, the tavern Burger. That's the one. That's

1288
00:59:41,514 --> 00:59:43,594
Speaker 4: the one that's you're wasting your time with the whiskey

1289
00:59:43,674 --> 00:59:44,394
Speaker 4: River Barber.

1290
00:59:44,314 --> 00:59:46,593
Speaker 3: No mail on it. Don't put Mayo on it. Yeah,

1291
00:59:46,714 --> 00:59:47,474
Speaker 3: Mayo ruin it.

1292
00:59:49,874 --> 00:59:51,394
Speaker 6: I don't know this friend's always telling me not to

1293
00:59:51,394 --> 00:59:52,274
Speaker 6: put on something.

1294
00:59:52,594 --> 01:00:00,154
Speaker 3: That's another great moment. Cheese steak. All right back here

1295
01:00:00,194 --> 01:00:03,754
Speaker 3: on Patriot's Unfiltered, it's Deuce, Evan, Paul, myself, Matt and

1296
01:00:03,794 --> 01:00:07,794
Speaker 3: the Booth Open season. We're in bye weeks, so we're

1297
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Speaker 3: talking about anything you really want to talk about. Maybe

1298
01:00:10,234 --> 01:00:13,713
Speaker 3: we'll talk about something Tim's having trouble, though, he says,

1299
01:00:13,754 --> 01:00:15,914
Speaker 3: not sure if this is an issue for others, but

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Speaker 3: your stream doesn't come up on Firefox. For me, I

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Speaker 3: have to go to Chrome. People still use Firefox. Really,

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Speaker 3: I didn't even know it was around you on that one.

1303
01:00:27,074 --> 01:00:28,153
Speaker 3: You're a Firefox person.

1304
01:00:28,234 --> 01:00:30,474
Speaker 6: No, I didn't know it still existing.

1305
01:00:30,634 --> 01:00:36,954
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's weird Chrome. I have questions, And Jake writes

1306
01:00:36,994 --> 01:00:39,674
Speaker 3: in throwing my two cents to say, I absolutely love

1307
01:00:40,594 --> 01:00:45,354
Speaker 3: the Blueberry Jersey silver pants. Absolutely hate both the Blueberry

1308
01:00:45,354 --> 01:00:49,714
Speaker 3: itself in white jersey silver pants. Combo and their throwback

1309
01:00:49,794 --> 01:00:52,154
Speaker 3: uniforms are my favorite in all sports. Good.

1310
01:00:52,994 --> 01:00:54,754
Speaker 6: That's the correct answer.

1311
01:00:55,034 --> 01:00:56,034
Speaker 5: The throwbacks are great.

1312
01:00:57,034 --> 01:00:57,314
Speaker 4: Yep.

1313
01:00:58,874 --> 01:01:02,154
Speaker 3: Let's see Jeff in Canada. I haven't heard much discussion

1314
01:01:02,194 --> 01:01:04,794
Speaker 3: about this. Do you have any thoughts about going for

1315
01:01:04,834 --> 01:01:07,514
Speaker 3: the longest field goal in history versus a hail Mary

1316
01:01:07,754 --> 01:01:10,034
Speaker 3: on the last play if you were male, which would

1317
01:01:10,034 --> 01:01:14,834
Speaker 3: if you choosed chosen. Also, I appreciate the bill of

1318
01:01:14,874 --> 01:01:17,674
Speaker 3: winning culture thoughts, but I'm one hundred percent all in

1319
01:01:17,994 --> 01:01:20,674
Speaker 3: on losing out and going for a pick one or two.

1320
01:01:21,194 --> 01:01:23,354
Speaker 3: Since you mentioned the draft class isn't good, all the

1321
01:01:23,434 --> 01:01:26,954
Speaker 3: more reason to lose out. Players will build the winning culture,

1322
01:01:27,354 --> 01:01:30,434
Speaker 3: and losing and losing out might spur the crafts to

1323
01:01:30,514 --> 01:01:32,674
Speaker 3: tap the debit card more in free agency.

1324
01:01:34,034 --> 01:01:35,593
Speaker 5: I would say, in the moment, when I saw they

1325
01:01:35,594 --> 01:01:37,354
Speaker 5: were gonna kick it, I thought it was ridiculous, But

1326
01:01:37,394 --> 01:01:39,434
Speaker 5: when I saw how close it was, I thought maybe

1327
01:01:39,434 --> 01:01:40,354
Speaker 5: it wasn't ridiculous.

1328
01:01:40,594 --> 01:01:44,594
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I predict within the next three years

1329
01:01:44,594 --> 01:01:47,354
Speaker 3: somebody will kick a seventy yard field goal. Oh yeah, but.

1330
01:01:47,954 --> 01:01:50,274
Speaker 4: I'll predict that that will not happen in the northeastern

1331
01:01:50,314 --> 01:01:51,073
Speaker 4: thirty degree weather.

1332
01:01:51,114 --> 01:01:52,554
Speaker 6: I don't know, but be in Denver.

1333
01:01:53,274 --> 01:01:56,674
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah. If they were inside, I would have been

1334
01:01:56,674 --> 01:02:01,234
Speaker 4: on board with the kick. I think it was obviously

1335
01:02:02,154 --> 01:02:06,434
Speaker 4: not an ideal situation. You're at midfield with one play,

1336
01:02:06,874 --> 01:02:10,234
Speaker 4: But I've seen hail Mary's get completed. I've never seen

1337
01:02:10,234 --> 01:02:14,434
Speaker 4: a sixty eight yard field goal, and I don't think

1338
01:02:14,434 --> 01:02:16,994
Speaker 4: you can kick it any better. And he still needed

1339
01:02:16,994 --> 01:02:19,673
Speaker 4: another few yards. Like I think he nailed it.

1340
01:02:19,914 --> 01:02:21,194
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, right down the middle.

1341
01:02:21,354 --> 01:02:23,834
Speaker 4: No, I'm saying I think he crushed the kick. Yeah,

1342
01:02:23,994 --> 01:02:26,074
Speaker 4: really it was short.

1343
01:02:26,394 --> 01:02:30,154
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would have been good from like sixty four maybe, yeah.

1344
01:02:29,514 --> 01:02:33,314
Speaker 4: Like I don't think it was like yeah, you know,

1345
01:02:33,434 --> 01:02:35,554
Speaker 4: like when you saw it now you see it going

1346
01:02:35,634 --> 01:02:37,354
Speaker 4: right down the middle and you're like, oh, does that

1347
01:02:37,394 --> 01:02:38,194
Speaker 4: have the legs?

1348
01:02:38,394 --> 01:02:41,714
Speaker 3: Did you hear soci's call, you know, like if you're

1349
01:02:41,754 --> 01:02:43,314
Speaker 3: listening to you like, oh my god, it's going to

1350
01:02:43,394 --> 01:02:43,674
Speaker 3: go in.

1351
01:02:44,114 --> 01:02:49,594
Speaker 6: He did the warning track? Yeah, yeah, I swing on

1352
01:02:49,634 --> 01:02:52,394
Speaker 6: to drive. I didn't have a huge issue with it

1353
01:02:52,434 --> 01:02:53,194
Speaker 6: because either.

1354
01:02:52,994 --> 01:02:55,234
Speaker 4: Way, it didn't have a huge issue.

1355
01:02:55,354 --> 01:02:58,673
Speaker 6: It's a hail Mary either way, right, But I would

1356
01:02:58,674 --> 01:03:00,954
Speaker 6: have probably gone hail Mary. And the only reason being

1357
01:03:01,034 --> 01:03:03,514
Speaker 6: is that you have a cornerback that can pull that off.

1358
01:03:03,594 --> 01:03:06,154
Speaker 6: You know, he can do the Jaden Daniels and run

1359
01:03:06,194 --> 01:03:09,234
Speaker 6: around for twelve seconds and then launch it fifty yards

1360
01:03:09,234 --> 01:03:11,794
Speaker 6: in the air into the end zone. But I also

1361
01:03:11,914 --> 01:03:14,594
Speaker 6: understand that who's going to catch it is.

1362
01:03:15,554 --> 01:03:17,314
Speaker 5: A target on a hail Mary is there, like, you know,

1363
01:03:17,314 --> 01:03:18,754
Speaker 5: are you really trying to throw who play? Or is

1364
01:03:18,794 --> 01:03:19,914
Speaker 5: it just kind of disperse?

1365
01:03:20,154 --> 01:03:20,634
Speaker 6: I think you do.

1366
01:03:21,194 --> 01:03:21,314
Speaker 5: Well.

1367
01:03:21,314 --> 01:03:23,154
Speaker 4: Now you're throwing it to a pile, and you have

1368
01:03:23,194 --> 01:03:27,314
Speaker 4: a guy who the trailer, yeah, extricates himself from the pile.

1369
01:03:27,794 --> 01:03:30,474
Speaker 5: I guess journalism words on me here today. I don't

1370
01:03:30,474 --> 01:03:30,994
Speaker 5: know what they mean.

1371
01:03:31,034 --> 01:03:33,194
Speaker 6: But the way they've done it in the past is

1372
01:03:34,154 --> 01:03:37,593
Speaker 6: Hunter Henry is the jumper and he goes down there

1373
01:03:37,674 --> 01:03:41,673
Speaker 6: to basically volleyball tip it in the air and then

1374
01:03:42,034 --> 01:03:43,434
Speaker 6: they'll have somebody run behind it.

1375
01:03:43,594 --> 01:03:46,113
Speaker 4: There's a rhyme of reason. Like you said, that's I mean,

1376
01:03:46,194 --> 01:03:49,794
Speaker 4: it's not just you know, I mean, it's a fluke,

1377
01:03:49,874 --> 01:03:53,554
Speaker 4: but it's not like without any kind of practice. They

1378
01:03:53,554 --> 01:03:56,594
Speaker 4: were talking about this a little bit on my show yesterday.

1379
01:03:57,754 --> 01:03:59,434
Speaker 4: What do you think of the idea of like throwing

1380
01:03:59,474 --> 01:04:03,514
Speaker 4: like a Christian Gonzales out there on a play like that? Sure,

1381
01:04:03,794 --> 01:04:06,074
Speaker 4: like is he like could you make a case that

1382
01:04:06,114 --> 01:04:11,874
Speaker 4: he's the best athlete on the team. Yeah, long fast, Yeah,

1383
01:04:12,434 --> 01:04:14,234
Speaker 4: you know, but you know, maybe he can get his

1384
01:04:14,314 --> 01:04:17,314
Speaker 4: hands on it where you know, like obviously Tomorio Douglas,

1385
01:04:17,874 --> 01:04:19,914
Speaker 4: you know, it's not really ideal to.

1386
01:04:20,194 --> 01:04:22,714
Speaker 3: Everyone thinks like wide receivers, tight ends and all that,

1387
01:04:22,754 --> 01:04:25,794
Speaker 3: but like, if you've got a six eight lineman, put

1388
01:04:25,874 --> 01:04:27,674
Speaker 3: him in the middle of the pile to be the

1389
01:04:27,874 --> 01:04:28,994
Speaker 3: volleyball to.

1390
01:04:29,274 --> 01:04:31,474
Speaker 4: Now you have to get him fifty yards down field, right,

1391
01:04:31,554 --> 01:04:33,434
Speaker 4: that's going to take. That's going to take a little bit.

1392
01:04:33,634 --> 01:04:34,034
Speaker 3: I guess.

1393
01:04:34,154 --> 01:04:36,394
Speaker 6: Yeah, you also wanted to be somebody that has a

1394
01:04:36,394 --> 01:04:38,274
Speaker 6: good vertical, Like you don't want him to just be

1395
01:04:38,474 --> 01:04:39,554
Speaker 6: standing six eight.

1396
01:04:40,314 --> 01:04:42,714
Speaker 3: But nobody's gonna move him around. That's true.

1397
01:04:42,754 --> 01:04:42,954
Speaker 23: You know.

1398
01:04:43,514 --> 01:04:45,554
Speaker 6: Christian is an interesting theory.

1399
01:04:45,914 --> 01:04:46,114
Speaker 20: You know.

1400
01:04:46,194 --> 01:04:48,874
Speaker 4: I think Mike brought him up yesterday and I was like,

1401
01:04:49,194 --> 01:04:52,354
Speaker 4: you know what, that's not a bad thought, because I

1402
01:04:52,354 --> 01:04:55,314
Speaker 4: think they they're sort of lacking those kinds of guys.

1403
01:04:55,674 --> 01:04:56,754
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1404
01:04:56,314 --> 01:05:01,394
Speaker 6: I saw him at practice probably a couple of weeks ago,

1405
01:05:02,074 --> 01:05:05,154
Speaker 6: and they were doing one on ones. But it was

1406
01:05:05,274 --> 01:05:08,394
Speaker 6: like the DB's were playing wide receiver too, because the

1407
01:05:08,434 --> 01:05:11,394
Speaker 6: receivers are off on their own, and so they ran

1408
01:05:11,834 --> 01:05:16,073
Speaker 6: a back shoulder fade to Gonzales playing receiver and he

1409
01:05:16,354 --> 01:05:20,154
Speaker 6: one handed Gronk styled it and tapped his toes and downs,

1410
01:05:20,154 --> 01:05:21,354
Speaker 6: and I was like, you might be the best wide

1411
01:05:21,354 --> 01:05:21,994
Speaker 6: receiver on.

1412
01:05:23,434 --> 01:05:26,714
Speaker 3: We don't need Travis.

1413
01:05:26,794 --> 01:05:31,114
Speaker 4: You guys here Drake may when he was on with Andy, Yeah,

1414
01:05:31,154 --> 01:05:33,633
Speaker 4: a little bit funny. I loved that.

1415
01:05:33,834 --> 01:05:35,633
Speaker 3: Well he was he was on the phone, but.

1416
01:05:35,634 --> 01:05:39,834
Speaker 4: He was on with Andy in Arcand and well, I

1417
01:05:39,914 --> 01:05:43,234
Speaker 4: actually I think it was Fitzy because Arcan wasn't. But

1418
01:05:43,394 --> 01:05:46,834
Speaker 4: they asked him, you know about the throw, and he goes,

1419
01:05:47,274 --> 01:05:49,994
Speaker 4: you know, you really shouldn't be in the NFL if

1420
01:05:50,034 --> 01:05:52,633
Speaker 4: you can't make that throw, which I loved because I've

1421
01:05:52,674 --> 01:05:55,754
Speaker 4: been saying that for one hundred years. Like there's not

1422
01:05:55,834 --> 01:05:58,914
Speaker 4: a guy like the Jade and Daniels throwing the ball

1423
01:05:58,994 --> 01:06:01,754
Speaker 4: sixty five yards or whatever. He did not the impressive part.

1424
01:06:01,874 --> 01:06:05,034
Speaker 4: It was him buying twelve seconds of time, right, is

1425
01:06:05,034 --> 01:06:08,834
Speaker 4: the impressive part of that play. Like those guys can

1426
01:06:08,874 --> 01:06:10,073
Speaker 4: all throw the ball that far.

1427
01:06:10,474 --> 01:06:15,234
Speaker 3: Yep, I don't think MAT's that good. Maybe not that guy.

1428
01:06:15,834 --> 01:06:19,554
Speaker 3: We Yeah, I see what you did there, Christ and

1429
01:06:19,594 --> 01:06:23,034
Speaker 3: flagstaff says, Mayo on a cheese steak is good. You're right.

1430
01:06:23,114 --> 01:06:25,954
Speaker 3: I do apologize. I have to say, Mayo an Italian

1431
01:06:26,394 --> 01:06:28,834
Speaker 3: you put you can't put Mayo on an Italian.

1432
01:06:28,874 --> 01:06:30,674
Speaker 6: Mayo on a cheese steak, it you can't do that.

1433
01:06:31,034 --> 01:06:32,634
Speaker 3: But that's the way they do it in Philly.

1434
01:06:32,674 --> 01:06:34,474
Speaker 4: But may I w a cheese steak?

1435
01:06:34,514 --> 01:06:36,794
Speaker 3: If not, I don't, I don't order it that way.

1436
01:06:36,994 --> 01:06:39,154
Speaker 3: But that's the way the original cheese steak is.

1437
01:06:39,354 --> 01:06:41,914
Speaker 6: I haven't ever a cheeseteak in Philly with Mayo.

1438
01:06:42,314 --> 01:06:46,434
Speaker 3: Really, you went to that placesandros that one we got to.

1439
01:06:48,514 --> 01:06:51,394
Speaker 6: My roommates in college are from Philly, so I've had

1440
01:06:51,874 --> 01:06:56,554
Speaker 6: dozens of cheese steaks. Nope, don't approve.

1441
01:06:56,274 --> 01:06:57,234
Speaker 3: Mayo w a hot dog.

1442
01:06:57,514 --> 01:07:00,914
Speaker 4: But I did love Drake may like. Of course I

1443
01:07:00,914 --> 01:07:03,194
Speaker 4: can make that.

1444
01:07:03,194 --> 01:07:05,834
Speaker 3: Man. Are there people on the phone? Because I see people,

1445
01:07:06,114 --> 01:07:07,354
Speaker 3: but I don't have names.

1446
01:07:08,154 --> 01:07:09,754
Speaker 1: I completely got to type the names, and I'm sorry.

1447
01:07:09,754 --> 01:07:13,794
Speaker 4: Hold on, question Mark had been the longest.

1448
01:07:13,874 --> 01:07:25,834
Speaker 3: Hey you okay alone. Hearing some of his Marie these stories,

1449
01:07:25,874 --> 01:07:28,114
Speaker 3: I'm a little more afraid of it's such a snob.

1450
01:07:29,194 --> 01:07:31,754
Speaker 3: So let's go to the TPX outline. Jeff's on the line.

1451
01:07:31,794 --> 01:07:34,634
Speaker 3: What's up, Jeff? He's not.

1452
01:07:34,874 --> 01:07:36,554
Speaker 8: I was just checking to see if he was still.

1453
01:07:36,874 --> 01:07:45,554
Speaker 3: Jeff is gone. Jeff Callbacke yes when I say something

1454
01:07:45,634 --> 01:07:49,114
Speaker 3: next time. This is yesterday we had the lights go

1455
01:07:49,234 --> 01:07:51,794
Speaker 3: out because I plugged him the eater and today we

1456
01:07:51,874 --> 01:07:55,954
Speaker 3: have the phones a mess Patty's an aga.

1457
01:07:56,234 --> 01:07:56,554
Speaker 4: What's up?

1458
01:07:56,594 --> 01:07:58,074
Speaker 3: Patty?

1459
01:07:58,514 --> 01:07:58,874
Speaker 11: What's up?

1460
01:07:58,914 --> 01:07:59,234
Speaker 8: Gentlemen?

1461
01:07:59,474 --> 01:07:59,834
Speaker 11: There is.

1462
01:08:02,114 --> 01:08:04,834
Speaker 24: So I want to touch on just a couple of things.

1463
01:08:05,234 --> 01:08:08,194
Speaker 24: The first thing is all these calls for Mayo to

1464
01:08:08,234 --> 01:08:11,314
Speaker 24: be fired to me, Like, Paully, I know you weren't

1465
01:08:11,354 --> 01:08:13,354
Speaker 24: there when I call him in on the pregame show,

1466
01:08:13,394 --> 01:08:16,514
Speaker 24: but I made the point that, like, if you look

1467
01:08:16,554 --> 01:08:19,034
Speaker 24: at what's going on in Chicago, does anybody really want

1468
01:08:19,074 --> 01:08:21,794
Speaker 24: that to happen here? Like in Drake May's first season?

1469
01:08:22,034 --> 01:08:25,714
Speaker 24: And I'll just say, like, if midway through his year,

1470
01:08:26,314 --> 01:08:28,634
Speaker 24: if they're not well on their way to becoming, like,

1471
01:08:29,714 --> 01:08:31,434
Speaker 24: you know, one of the top teams in the AFC

1472
01:08:31,594 --> 01:08:34,114
Speaker 24: and competing hard with Buffalo of the division, then I

1473
01:08:34,194 --> 01:08:36,634
Speaker 24: might say, yeah, it might be time to move on.

1474
01:08:37,354 --> 01:08:41,314
Speaker 24: And on the jerseys, I say, go back to the

1475
01:08:41,474 --> 01:08:43,594
Speaker 24: go back to the throwbacks, because you can wear the

1476
01:08:43,954 --> 01:08:47,034
Speaker 24: blue tops with them, and you can, like I remember

1477
01:08:47,034 --> 01:08:49,834
Speaker 24: sending in like a picture of Brady with the white

1478
01:08:49,834 --> 01:08:52,234
Speaker 24: helmet with the flying Elvis logo, with the blue top

1479
01:08:52,274 --> 01:08:55,034
Speaker 24: and the white pants, go with something like that, because

1480
01:08:55,194 --> 01:08:56,234
Speaker 24: to me that looked awesome.

1481
01:08:57,234 --> 01:08:57,434
Speaker 11: Guys.

1482
01:08:57,674 --> 01:09:01,074
Speaker 3: Thanks. I I was gonna ask Pat if he knew

1483
01:09:01,074 --> 01:09:05,354
Speaker 3: that he was our most hated caller. Oh do tell yeah.

1484
01:09:05,994 --> 01:09:06,034
Speaker 5: No.

1485
01:09:06,114 --> 01:09:08,394
Speaker 3: I had one person who emailed remember the show where

1486
01:09:08,434 --> 01:09:12,234
Speaker 3: I objected to like the wild game hunting and I said,

1487
01:09:12,234 --> 01:09:15,794
Speaker 3: I don't like seeing animals suffer or people suffer. And

1488
01:09:15,834 --> 01:09:17,834
Speaker 3: somebody said, if that's the case, why do you have

1489
01:09:18,154 --> 01:09:21,994
Speaker 3: Patty on the show? Oh wowow, yeah, yeah, a lot

1490
01:09:22,074 --> 01:09:22,794
Speaker 3: of a lot of people.

1491
01:09:22,834 --> 01:09:25,514
Speaker 4: I do like collar on Coller Crime that.

1492
01:09:25,674 --> 01:09:27,434
Speaker 3: Patty gets a lot of caller on college.

1493
01:09:27,834 --> 01:09:29,594
Speaker 4: He does. I didn't realize he was the most hated

1494
01:09:29,634 --> 01:09:31,114
Speaker 4: call with though, but he was not out there. He

1495
01:09:31,154 --> 01:09:34,514
Speaker 4: would not have been one of my candidates for that role.

1496
01:09:34,554 --> 01:09:37,714
Speaker 4: I do have a few in mind, but I think I.

1497
01:09:37,674 --> 01:09:41,114
Speaker 3: Think, you know, getting that Moniker, he should be proud

1498
01:09:41,154 --> 01:09:43,634
Speaker 3: of that. Yeah, you know, to elicit that type of

1499
01:09:45,074 --> 01:09:46,554
Speaker 3: visceral reaction.

1500
01:09:46,314 --> 01:09:50,394
Speaker 6: Where it is a badge of honor. But I definitely

1501
01:09:50,434 --> 01:09:54,554
Speaker 6: think the Patriots should be competitive next year, like year three.

1502
01:09:55,554 --> 01:09:58,114
Speaker 4: I think they have a chance. I mean, well, I'll

1503
01:09:58,154 --> 01:10:00,394
Speaker 4: revisit when I see what they do in the off season.

1504
01:10:00,394 --> 01:10:01,994
Speaker 4: But they have the money they have, They're going to

1505
01:10:02,034 --> 01:10:05,314
Speaker 4: have high draft picks. You need to hit the funny.

1506
01:10:05,354 --> 01:10:07,874
Speaker 5: They'll be the the arguments about defense and offense, because

1507
01:10:07,914 --> 01:10:10,434
Speaker 5: they'll be you know, people like me who are decrying

1508
01:10:10,434 --> 01:10:12,474
Speaker 5: the defense and the condition of them and the direction

1509
01:10:12,554 --> 01:10:14,234
Speaker 5: that they're headed. And then they'll be the same. We

1510
01:10:14,314 --> 01:10:17,034
Speaker 5: need protection and weapons, and everybody's right, but it's just

1511
01:10:17,154 --> 01:10:19,834
Speaker 5: that's where we'll argue, is how do you best spend

1512
01:10:19,834 --> 01:10:20,434
Speaker 5: their assets?

1513
01:10:20,474 --> 01:10:22,794
Speaker 4: But that's the best part is like you can do either.

1514
01:10:23,314 --> 01:10:24,594
Speaker 3: I can't wait for the off season.

1515
01:10:25,354 --> 01:10:26,154
Speaker 4: You need a lot of it.

1516
01:10:26,434 --> 01:10:27,954
Speaker 3: They I think we're going to art.

1517
01:10:28,234 --> 01:10:31,674
Speaker 6: They have the quarterback, and they have the resources to

1518
01:10:31,714 --> 01:10:34,514
Speaker 6: build the roster around the quarterback. Correct, they should be

1519
01:10:34,754 --> 01:10:37,194
Speaker 6: contending for the playoffs next year. I'm not saying the

1520
01:10:37,194 --> 01:10:39,514
Speaker 6: should win a super Bowl, but they should be in

1521
01:10:39,554 --> 01:10:41,113
Speaker 6: the mix to contend for the playoffs.

1522
01:10:41,234 --> 01:10:43,194
Speaker 4: If they do it right, they can be I would

1523
01:10:43,194 --> 01:10:46,154
Speaker 4: say that the word should is probably a little strong,

1524
01:10:46,234 --> 01:10:49,634
Speaker 4: but I don't think it's outrageous. I think they could

1525
01:10:50,034 --> 01:10:51,674
Speaker 4: contend for a playoff spot next year.

1526
01:10:51,954 --> 01:10:56,314
Speaker 3: Joe's back, He's in Delaware. What's up, Joe?

1527
01:10:56,074 --> 01:10:56,234
Speaker 4: Right?

1528
01:10:56,434 --> 01:10:57,434
Speaker 25: Text for taking the call.

1529
01:10:58,194 --> 01:10:58,874
Speaker 11: I used to be.

1530
01:10:58,794 --> 01:11:02,154
Speaker 26: A producer at a small sports radio station, and Matt

1531
01:11:02,714 --> 01:11:03,754
Speaker 26: is absolutely killing it.

1532
01:11:03,754 --> 01:11:06,474
Speaker 25: But he might need some help because I know it's

1533
01:11:06,474 --> 01:11:08,114
Speaker 25: a busy, busy job.

1534
01:11:08,154 --> 01:11:12,594
Speaker 4: I forgot the type of name in well, he needs help,

1535
01:11:12,594 --> 01:11:13,434
Speaker 4: but not with his job.

1536
01:11:15,114 --> 01:11:17,474
Speaker 3: He's talking about that we'll give him a silver bullet.

1537
01:11:18,874 --> 01:11:19,994
Speaker 23: I know that, I know.

1538
01:11:19,914 --> 01:11:23,794
Speaker 26: That we have like a lot of free agency cap space.

1539
01:11:24,634 --> 01:11:26,794
Speaker 26: I'm really worried that we're going to be paying the

1540
01:11:26,834 --> 01:11:32,474
Speaker 26: wrong people or prioritizing the wrong players and positions, just

1541
01:11:32,594 --> 01:11:37,074
Speaker 26: based off of what happened in the last offseason, and

1542
01:11:37,474 --> 01:11:41,194
Speaker 26: ESPN currently projects the Patriots to have the top overall pick.

1543
01:11:42,434 --> 01:11:45,634
Speaker 26: I'm a big span at Tedero McMillan. But should we

1544
01:11:45,794 --> 01:11:50,274
Speaker 26: trade out of that to acquire more assets or I

1545
01:11:50,274 --> 01:11:53,274
Speaker 26: think taking Travis Hunter is going to be a big mistake.

1546
01:11:54,754 --> 01:11:58,954
Speaker 26: But I think Travis Hunter is a very very very

1547
01:11:59,034 --> 01:12:04,354
Speaker 26: good cornerback and he could be used on offense. But

1548
01:12:05,234 --> 01:12:08,474
Speaker 26: he's not an elite wide receiver like Keero McMillan.

1549
01:12:09,354 --> 01:12:09,954
Speaker 3: Okay, but.

1550
01:12:11,434 --> 01:12:12,234
Speaker 6: Based off of.

1551
01:12:12,154 --> 01:12:17,754
Speaker 26: What based off of I think Keer McMillan is just better.

1552
01:12:18,194 --> 01:12:19,794
Speaker 11: It's just the eyeball test.

1553
01:12:20,354 --> 01:12:22,674
Speaker 26: I think Travis Hunter is very good, but I think

1554
01:12:22,714 --> 01:12:25,474
Speaker 26: he's a better cornerback than he is wider.

1555
01:12:25,554 --> 01:12:28,234
Speaker 3: But if you're thinking about trading down for more assets,

1556
01:12:29,234 --> 01:12:31,074
Speaker 3: you take Travis Hunter, and you kind of got two

1557
01:12:31,154 --> 01:12:33,394
Speaker 3: picks in one well without plus.

1558
01:12:33,314 --> 01:12:36,234
Speaker 4: You need to have someone want to trade up for you, Yeah, right,

1559
01:12:36,634 --> 01:12:39,434
Speaker 4: to get more assets. Would I don't think that trading

1560
01:12:39,514 --> 01:12:42,874
Speaker 4: up is going to cost as much this year in

1561
01:12:42,914 --> 01:12:45,074
Speaker 4: this draft, thanks Jo, And it would in normal draft

1562
01:12:45,114 --> 01:12:47,594
Speaker 4: based on what everyone was talking about yesterday about the

1563
01:12:47,674 --> 01:12:49,874
Speaker 4: lack of blue chip talent at the top of the draft.

1564
01:12:49,954 --> 01:12:52,794
Speaker 6: Yeah, Dame Brewler put out his first mock draft today,

1565
01:12:52,794 --> 01:12:55,874
Speaker 6: and I think out of all these guys, like, it's

1566
01:12:55,874 --> 01:12:58,394
Speaker 6: not so much about which team takes which player right now,

1567
01:12:58,434 --> 01:13:00,954
Speaker 6: it's more about where the players are on the.

1568
01:13:00,874 --> 01:13:04,714
Speaker 3: Board, sacking your board. Yeah, horizontally as well as horizontal.

1569
01:13:04,874 --> 01:13:05,034
Speaker 15: Right.

1570
01:13:05,474 --> 01:13:08,554
Speaker 6: I am months away from that, but correct, let us know.

1571
01:13:08,834 --> 01:13:10,234
Speaker 3: I will.

1572
01:13:11,514 --> 01:13:14,914
Speaker 6: Trust me. Shador Sanders and cam Ward both went in

1573
01:13:14,954 --> 01:13:18,154
Speaker 6: the top five at quarterback. And I don't know if

1574
01:13:18,154 --> 01:13:21,394
Speaker 6: those are quarterbacks that you sell the farm for, but

1575
01:13:21,474 --> 01:13:24,754
Speaker 6: it definitely feels like they are quarterbacks in this draft

1576
01:13:24,834 --> 01:13:27,714
Speaker 6: that are rejected now to go in the top ten.

1577
01:13:28,154 --> 01:13:31,434
Speaker 6: So to Paul's point, do you have a do you

1578
01:13:31,474 --> 01:13:34,114
Speaker 6: get a king's ransom for them? I don't know, but

1579
01:13:34,234 --> 01:13:37,434
Speaker 6: there is maybe a little bit more of a possibility

1580
01:13:37,514 --> 01:13:39,714
Speaker 6: that a trade down because a team is coming up

1581
01:13:39,754 --> 01:13:40,154
Speaker 6: for a court.

1582
01:13:40,394 --> 01:13:42,634
Speaker 4: To me, like a guy like that, A guy like

1583
01:13:42,714 --> 01:13:45,314
Speaker 4: cam Wood is a guy that if I'm the Giants

1584
01:13:45,354 --> 01:13:47,834
Speaker 4: and I'm sitting at three and cam Wood's available, maybe

1585
01:13:47,874 --> 01:13:50,034
Speaker 4: I take him. If I like Kim Wood, but he's

1586
01:13:50,034 --> 01:13:51,914
Speaker 4: not a guy if I'm at eight, I'm trading to

1587
01:13:52,074 --> 01:13:52,954
Speaker 4: three to get.

1588
01:13:52,954 --> 01:13:53,634
Speaker 6: It's a fair point.

1589
01:13:53,714 --> 01:13:56,234
Speaker 4: So like that's like that might just be me. Maybe

1590
01:13:56,274 --> 01:13:57,354
Speaker 4: these teams will feel differently.

1591
01:13:57,514 --> 01:13:59,914
Speaker 3: So let's let's just say that the team that's interested

1592
01:13:59,954 --> 01:14:03,794
Speaker 3: in Shador or a quarterback high where the Patriots are

1593
01:14:03,794 --> 01:14:07,874
Speaker 3: sitting is a team that's rebuilding. Should the Patriots, instead

1594
01:14:07,874 --> 01:14:10,914
Speaker 3: of looking for more draft picks, be looking for a

1595
01:14:10,954 --> 01:14:13,994
Speaker 3: seasoned veteran that they might want to give up and

1596
01:14:14,034 --> 01:14:18,074
Speaker 3: then like a fourth round pick but maybe some instant help.

1597
01:14:18,954 --> 01:14:21,074
Speaker 4: I think they need to do a little bit of

1598
01:14:21,074 --> 01:14:22,794
Speaker 4: all of this. Yeah, if you want to do what

1599
01:14:22,834 --> 01:14:25,914
Speaker 4: Evan's saying and be like a true contender for the

1600
01:14:25,914 --> 01:14:30,354
Speaker 4: playoffs next year. They're not like two offensive linemen away

1601
01:14:30,354 --> 01:14:33,394
Speaker 4: from that or a wide receiver away right, They're all

1602
01:14:33,434 --> 01:14:36,434
Speaker 4: of these things away from that that Mike talks about.

1603
01:14:36,434 --> 01:14:38,914
Speaker 4: The you know, the pieces on defense, And we've talked

1604
01:14:38,914 --> 01:14:42,394
Speaker 4: to obviously incessantly about the pieces they lack on offense.

1605
01:14:43,074 --> 01:14:45,314
Speaker 4: They need a couple of wide receivers, a couple of

1606
01:14:45,314 --> 01:14:50,834
Speaker 4: alignment probably at least one cornerback and edge rusher, minebacker help.

1607
01:14:51,154 --> 01:14:53,954
Speaker 4: If they can get let's let's just count that as

1608
01:14:53,994 --> 01:14:56,674
Speaker 4: ten players. If they can get five of those ten players,

1609
01:14:57,034 --> 01:14:59,074
Speaker 4: they can be a contender for a playoff spot next year.

1610
01:14:59,074 --> 01:15:01,034
Speaker 4: But like you get like one or two of those

1611
01:15:01,074 --> 01:15:05,754
Speaker 4: things filled, you're probably gonna be like seven wins because

1612
01:15:06,034 --> 01:15:09,514
Speaker 4: Drake figures to get better, you know, natural progression. He

1613
01:15:09,674 --> 01:15:12,634
Speaker 4: figures to make the guys that he has better because

1614
01:15:12,634 --> 01:15:14,594
Speaker 4: of that. But it's not just going to be a

1615
01:15:14,634 --> 01:15:17,034
Speaker 4: magic fix. They need help, They need they need support

1616
01:15:17,074 --> 01:15:17,594
Speaker 4: around them.

1617
01:15:17,674 --> 01:15:20,394
Speaker 6: Yeah, we'll do this more on Cash twenty three tomorrow,

1618
01:15:20,434 --> 01:15:21,554
Speaker 6: so I won't go too long.

1619
01:15:21,594 --> 01:15:22,954
Speaker 4: But no one will really be listening.

1620
01:15:23,474 --> 01:15:23,954
Speaker 6: That's not.

1621
01:15:25,434 --> 01:15:26,274
Speaker 4: I know what I've met meet.

1622
01:15:26,514 --> 01:15:30,434
Speaker 6: Yeah there, Hey, we have a pretty good listenership.

1623
01:15:30,594 --> 01:15:34,514
Speaker 4: I know you. If you didn't, I wouldn't have said that.

1624
01:15:35,394 --> 01:15:38,034
Speaker 3: People are People are sharpening their pencils right now to

1625
01:15:38,034 --> 01:15:38,994
Speaker 3: get ready for that show.

1626
01:15:39,114 --> 01:15:44,554
Speaker 6: Yes, I wanted I wanted to watch Teed McMillan and

1627
01:15:44,754 --> 01:15:48,474
Speaker 6: be wowed. I went into it thinking, please show me

1628
01:15:48,554 --> 01:15:51,794
Speaker 6: Molik Neighbors or Marvin Harrison Junior, and I just didn't

1629
01:15:51,834 --> 01:15:54,274
Speaker 6: see that. Now that doesn't mean that he's a bad player,

1630
01:15:54,954 --> 01:15:57,994
Speaker 6: but I see just in terms of projection and ceiling

1631
01:15:58,554 --> 01:16:01,074
Speaker 6: somewhere closer to like a T Higgins or like a

1632
01:16:01,154 --> 01:16:04,234
Speaker 6: Drake London or someone along those lines. With Tet McMillan,

1633
01:16:04,954 --> 01:16:09,194
Speaker 6: I don't see a top five elite wide receiver prospect.

1634
01:16:09,594 --> 01:16:12,194
Speaker 6: So I actually from the caller, I would have those

1635
01:16:12,474 --> 01:16:14,874
Speaker 6: I would have them flipped like, I think Travis Hunter

1636
01:16:14,994 --> 01:16:17,434
Speaker 6: is a much better prospect that wide receiver than Teed

1637
01:16:17,514 --> 01:16:21,754
Speaker 6: McMillan is. But Travis Hunter is his own thing, So okay,

1638
01:16:22,234 --> 01:16:22,634
Speaker 6: there you go.

1639
01:16:23,194 --> 01:16:27,034
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1644
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Speaker 3: And I got a bulletin. The Rob Gronkowski Pats from

1645
01:16:51,314 --> 01:16:56,314
Speaker 3: the Past podcast dropped today, so we had Rob Gronkowski

1646
01:16:56,394 --> 01:16:58,954
Speaker 3: in the building because there's a new exhibit at the

1647
01:16:58,994 --> 01:17:01,674
Speaker 3: Hall at Patriot Place. It's a Spike the Ball like

1648
01:17:01,834 --> 01:17:03,994
Speaker 3: Rob exhibit that you can do, you know, one of

1649
01:17:04,034 --> 01:17:06,154
Speaker 3: those hands on things. But while he was here, he

1650
01:17:06,234 --> 01:17:08,314
Speaker 3: spent what about an hour with you and no socks.

1651
01:17:08,354 --> 01:17:11,714
Speaker 4: He did it was great. He was as enthusiastic as

1652
01:17:11,834 --> 01:17:18,234
Speaker 4: he's always is, just that same guy right there for

1653
01:17:18,314 --> 01:17:21,114
Speaker 4: the entirety of the show. I think there's some interesting

1654
01:17:21,154 --> 01:17:24,794
Speaker 4: stuff that he mentions, Like we sort of set him

1655
01:17:24,874 --> 01:17:27,634
Speaker 4: up to sort of pick his you know, what he

1656
01:17:27,674 --> 01:17:29,634
Speaker 4: thought was the best team, and we kind of led

1657
01:17:29,714 --> 01:17:31,314
Speaker 4: him in a direction what he thought the best team

1658
01:17:31,354 --> 01:17:34,514
Speaker 4: that he played on. He button hooked us. So you

1659
01:17:34,594 --> 01:17:37,154
Speaker 4: might want to listen to that and see which which

1660
01:17:37,154 --> 01:17:39,074
Speaker 4: team he thought was the best Patriots team that he

1661
01:17:39,114 --> 01:17:42,154
Speaker 4: was a part of and talked about, you know, some

1662
01:17:42,234 --> 01:17:46,274
Speaker 4: great memories like the Kansas City AFC championship and yeah,

1663
01:17:46,274 --> 01:17:50,073
Speaker 4: it's good, some good storytelling. Gronk is like really scattered,

1664
01:17:50,074 --> 01:17:51,714
Speaker 4: He's all over the place, so you got to kind

1665
01:17:51,714 --> 01:17:54,354
Speaker 4: of like stick with it. Yeah, sometimes it takes him

1666
01:17:54,354 --> 01:17:56,354
Speaker 4: a long time to get to Grandma's house, right, But

1667
01:17:56,714 --> 01:17:58,794
Speaker 4: I think it's worth the wait good it was really

1668
01:17:58,954 --> 01:17:59,314
Speaker 4: that's on.

1669
01:18:00,194 --> 01:18:03,154
Speaker 3: That's on Patriots dot com and wherever you get your podcast.

1670
01:18:03,234 --> 01:18:05,794
Speaker 3: That's out now. So Pats from the past, and if

1671
01:18:05,794 --> 01:18:07,954
Speaker 3: you're not familiar with Pats in the past, I think

1672
01:18:07,994 --> 01:18:13,594
Speaker 3: this is like your fortieth podcast, forty ninth I think. Okay,

1673
01:18:15,434 --> 01:18:17,474
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of catching up for you to do.

1674
01:18:17,674 --> 01:18:18,474
Speaker 3: If this is your.

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01:18:18,394 --> 01:18:20,314
Speaker 4: First want to ignore like the first twenty or so,

1676
01:18:21,194 --> 01:18:23,594
Speaker 4: if I was a lot of good ones, well yeah,

1677
01:18:23,634 --> 01:18:26,634
Speaker 4: Brian did did them with No Fox originally and they Yeah,

1678
01:18:26,674 --> 01:18:27,714
Speaker 4: there's a lot of good stuff.

1679
01:18:27,794 --> 01:18:34,394
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. Chris, our webmaster, says for the Firefox listener

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Speaker 3: having issues watching the Scream with Firefox, make sure you

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Speaker 3: have cookies and JavaScript enabled, and also clear your cookies.

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Speaker 3: He says, Fred Firefox is making a big comeback. It

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Speaker 3: runs way better than Chrome, so take that curse except

1684
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Speaker 3: for our show.

1685
01:18:51,314 --> 01:18:53,113
Speaker 6: To make sure you have cookies on, but clear.

1686
01:18:52,914 --> 01:18:57,954
Speaker 3: Your control all five or something. Control. That was always

1687
01:18:57,994 --> 01:18:59,714
Speaker 3: the answer we.

1688
01:18:59,634 --> 01:19:01,874
Speaker 4: Try starting Do you have the Blue Screen of Death?

1689
01:19:01,954 --> 01:19:04,114
Speaker 6: Did you try plugging it in and unplugging it?

1690
01:19:04,274 --> 01:19:08,634
Speaker 4: So deuce you're you're a Hollywood type. Have you ever

1691
01:19:08,754 --> 01:19:12,354
Speaker 4: seen anything with Jason Bateman in it that you didn't

1692
01:19:12,474 --> 01:19:14,074
Speaker 4: like He's He's great.

1693
01:19:14,114 --> 01:19:15,514
Speaker 5: We did a show with him. Actually, we did an

1694
01:19:15,554 --> 01:19:18,714
Speaker 5: animated show called Sit Down, Shut Up with Mitch Herwitz.

1695
01:19:18,834 --> 01:19:18,994
Speaker 2: Uh.

1696
01:19:19,234 --> 01:19:21,354
Speaker 5: It was for Fox. Ran for about a season. Pretty funny.

1697
01:19:21,394 --> 01:19:23,994
Speaker 5: A lot of his guys from Arrested But yeah, nice guy,

1698
01:19:24,074 --> 01:19:24,834
Speaker 5: nice guy, good guy.

1699
01:19:25,034 --> 01:19:27,594
Speaker 3: So you actually met him? I met him, Yeah, I

1700
01:19:27,674 --> 01:19:29,994
Speaker 3: meant you work with him on a you know, peer

1701
01:19:30,034 --> 01:19:31,034
Speaker 3: to peer basis.

1702
01:19:31,074 --> 01:19:33,274
Speaker 5: Well, no, I was kind of the assistant, you know, like, hello, Jason,

1703
01:19:33,274 --> 01:19:34,154
Speaker 5: would you like, can I get.

1704
01:19:33,994 --> 01:19:34,394
Speaker 3: You a water?

1705
01:19:35,154 --> 01:19:38,794
Speaker 5: Was my assistance tost I've said though in the same show,

1706
01:19:38,794 --> 01:19:40,474
Speaker 5: Will Arnette was on that tune. Willarn that was still

1707
01:19:40,474 --> 01:19:43,674
Speaker 5: the funniest celebrity I ever met, Like just I mean

1708
01:19:43,714 --> 01:19:46,194
Speaker 5: he just I'm here to Mitch, you know, like that

1709
01:19:46,314 --> 01:19:48,314
Speaker 5: was its Everything comes out of his voice, out of

1710
01:19:48,354 --> 01:19:48,674
Speaker 5: his mouth.

1711
01:19:48,914 --> 01:19:50,994
Speaker 6: You think that's annoying, like to be one of those

1712
01:19:51,034 --> 01:19:55,234
Speaker 6: people that you and constantly laughing. It just he's just

1713
01:19:55,274 --> 01:19:57,594
Speaker 6: so funny that everything he says you just laugh at.

1714
01:19:57,674 --> 01:20:00,714
Speaker 4: That was on the Yeah, it's like guy, I was Chris,

1715
01:20:01,314 --> 01:20:01,794
Speaker 4: but like, what.

1716
01:20:01,754 --> 01:20:03,554
Speaker 5: A career for Jason Baby, I mean he started like,

1717
01:20:03,594 --> 01:20:05,514
Speaker 5: well he's on like the eighties. He's like a kid actor.

1718
01:20:05,634 --> 01:20:07,554
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he like It's your move I think was

1719
01:20:07,554 --> 01:20:09,394
Speaker 4: the name of that show. The first thing I saw him.

1720
01:20:09,794 --> 01:20:10,274
Speaker 3: He like.

1721
01:20:10,314 --> 01:20:12,954
Speaker 4: I like him and everything he's ever been into. Was

1722
01:20:12,954 --> 01:20:16,354
Speaker 4: given the read for the the Netflix movie you know,

1723
01:20:16,434 --> 01:20:18,794
Speaker 4: the Jason Bateman part of you know, No offense to

1724
01:20:18,834 --> 01:20:24,954
Speaker 4: the Who's Who's Terrific? Taron Edgerton, I believe was the

1725
01:20:24,954 --> 01:20:30,234
Speaker 4: one that play at Elton John. Yeah, and you're fantastic Rocketman.

1726
01:20:30,394 --> 01:20:31,114
Speaker 3: No, it's amazing.

1727
01:20:32,954 --> 01:20:34,354
Speaker 4: I don't think it was supposed to be a joke.

1728
01:20:34,834 --> 01:20:40,914
Speaker 3: No, I thought she was a woman. No, Taren Oh,

1729
01:20:41,034 --> 01:20:45,034
Speaker 3: tarn Edgerton. It's a man, yes, okay.

1730
01:20:44,954 --> 01:20:45,394
Speaker 5: A man?

1731
01:20:46,554 --> 01:20:47,594
Speaker 3: Oh man? All right.

1732
01:20:48,594 --> 01:20:50,073
Speaker 6: Horrible Boss is a great movie.

1733
01:20:50,314 --> 01:20:51,154
Speaker 5: It's another one.

1734
01:20:51,274 --> 01:20:51,954
Speaker 3: He's always funny.

1735
01:20:51,954 --> 01:20:54,394
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, very fun kind of like Jennifer Anderson.

1736
01:20:54,474 --> 01:20:54,834
Speaker 8: That one.

1737
01:20:56,434 --> 01:21:00,314
Speaker 3: Well, you know, yeah, good good casting.

1738
01:21:00,354 --> 01:21:06,954
Speaker 4: There particular line in that bed I'm good with every time.

1739
01:21:08,114 --> 01:21:11,874
Speaker 3: David Monterey, California writes in he says, I'm a captain

1740
01:21:11,914 --> 01:21:15,114
Speaker 3: for my local fire department. My station is planning a

1741
01:21:15,154 --> 01:21:19,514
Speaker 3: remodel and appliance upgrades. One of the upgrades includes a

1742
01:21:19,554 --> 01:21:22,394
Speaker 3: new washer and dryer for the on duty cruise I

1743
01:21:22,474 --> 01:21:25,874
Speaker 3: was recently discussing this with another captain and he asked

1744
01:21:25,874 --> 01:21:29,754
Speaker 3: my opinion about which washer and dryer we should get.

1745
01:21:30,074 --> 01:21:33,434
Speaker 3: He began the list with Speed Queen. I stopped him

1746
01:21:33,514 --> 01:21:36,714
Speaker 3: right there and emphatically threw my support behind the Speed Queen,

1747
01:21:36,914 --> 01:21:40,514
Speaker 3: citing the steel drum and twenty five year lifespan. Although

1748
01:21:40,514 --> 01:21:42,954
Speaker 3: in my head I was thinking Fred said they're worth it,

1749
01:21:43,114 --> 01:21:45,274
Speaker 3: and he can afford any washer and dryer he wants,

1750
01:21:45,314 --> 01:21:47,874
Speaker 3: so they must be good. That's not true. I didn't

1751
01:21:47,874 --> 01:21:52,474
Speaker 3: even entertain other options. My assertive response went unchallenged. So

1752
01:21:52,554 --> 01:21:56,074
Speaker 3: we will be ordering the Speed Queen washer and dryer. Fred,

1753
01:21:56,114 --> 01:21:59,314
Speaker 3: you need to get a sponsorship from them. Yeah, that's funny,

1754
01:21:59,514 --> 01:22:02,674
Speaker 3: tough on the that's exactly where speech, you know, queed

1755
01:22:02,794 --> 01:22:05,073
Speaker 3: shines in those types of scenaster.

1756
01:22:08,234 --> 01:22:09,754
Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks to the firefighters.

1757
01:22:09,754 --> 01:22:12,074
Speaker 3: Thank you for this is why I've been listening to

1758
01:22:12,074 --> 01:22:15,594
Speaker 3: you guys since six I get product reviews, movie and

1759
01:22:15,634 --> 01:22:19,674
Speaker 3: TV show recommendations, travel and dining tips, and most of all,

1760
01:22:19,834 --> 01:22:22,954
Speaker 3: great year round patriots analysis. You guys truly are the

1761
01:22:22,994 --> 01:22:26,474
Speaker 3: faces and voices of the organization as thank you, well,

1762
01:22:26,474 --> 01:22:29,074
Speaker 3: thank you Dave. That's that's really nice.

1763
01:22:29,674 --> 01:22:32,114
Speaker 4: Really moving to get a little more appreciation from within

1764
01:22:32,154 --> 01:22:32,554
Speaker 4: the building.

1765
01:22:33,874 --> 01:22:36,194
Speaker 5: Can we shoot like a fake speed queen ad with Fred,

1766
01:22:36,274 --> 01:22:38,674
Speaker 5: Like that's I'm Fred Kursh. You might know me from

1767
01:22:38,714 --> 01:22:39,794
Speaker 5: the World's Original Park.

1768
01:22:40,074 --> 01:22:42,354
Speaker 4: We used to do that all the time at Walpole

1769
01:22:42,394 --> 01:22:47,794
Speaker 4: Park South when Dave Crizzoli used to run Patriots Patriots Today,

1770
01:22:47,834 --> 01:22:50,434
Speaker 4: I think it was called then, and he like he

1771
01:22:50,594 --> 01:22:53,594
Speaker 4: was constantly like filming like these fake spots, right, like

1772
01:22:53,914 --> 01:22:56,114
Speaker 4: just a random like aerosol can would be there and

1773
01:22:56,114 --> 01:22:59,394
Speaker 4: he'd walk up and he'd grabbing Hi. I'm Dave Grizzoli

1774
01:22:59,514 --> 01:23:00,394
Speaker 4: for clean dude, one.

1775
01:23:00,314 --> 01:23:02,834
Speaker 5: On one, A piece of time one always great.

1776
01:23:03,674 --> 01:23:05,914
Speaker 6: I like this idea, this has this has like fake

1777
01:23:05,954 --> 01:23:06,634
Speaker 6: pu ads.

1778
01:23:08,114 --> 01:23:09,874
Speaker 5: What about this in the newsletter? Can we just do

1779
01:23:09,914 --> 01:23:12,554
Speaker 5: a graphic with like, like do a magazine print ad

1780
01:23:12,594 --> 01:23:14,594
Speaker 5: of Fred in front of a speed queen, like you know.

1781
01:23:14,594 --> 01:23:17,594
Speaker 4: Like like there might be some information an upcoming newsletter.

1782
01:23:17,594 --> 01:23:21,194
Speaker 5: Don't don't don't sleep on that, like and it's got

1783
01:23:21,234 --> 01:23:22,434
Speaker 5: like the signature on it like.

1784
01:23:22,394 --> 01:23:25,314
Speaker 3: Fred Kirsh, like he said, like the old style.

1785
01:23:26,554 --> 01:23:29,073
Speaker 4: Commentary look serious most interesting.

1786
01:23:29,114 --> 01:23:31,794
Speaker 3: When the little lady asked for appliances, I looked around

1787
01:23:31,794 --> 01:23:36,714
Speaker 3: and did research. I find it speaking.

1788
01:23:37,154 --> 01:23:37,994
Speaker 4: It's the best.

1789
01:23:38,754 --> 01:23:40,554
Speaker 3: I'll never use it because I'm the man of the house.

1790
01:23:43,554 --> 01:23:45,474
Speaker 3: That's how I worked. I mean, do you ever see

1791
01:23:45,514 --> 01:23:49,234
Speaker 3: those old ads. It's unbelievable. So I love the ones.

1792
01:23:49,674 --> 01:23:54,554
Speaker 3: Nine out of ten doctors recommend what was what cigarette?

1793
01:23:54,634 --> 01:23:58,874
Speaker 3: Was it? Oh? God, yeah, something like that. Nine out

1794
01:23:58,874 --> 01:23:59,154
Speaker 3: of ten.

1795
01:23:59,514 --> 01:24:01,074
Speaker 8: You know, recom and leave it to beaver.

1796
01:24:01,194 --> 01:24:03,194
Speaker 1: When they ask the dad, why do the men grill

1797
01:24:03,234 --> 01:24:04,314
Speaker 1: and the women stay in the kitchen?

1798
01:24:04,354 --> 01:24:05,394
Speaker 8: He guys off on the whole ran.

1799
01:24:05,554 --> 01:24:08,994
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Dad's gonna slaughter me on account I didn't

1800
01:24:08,994 --> 01:24:14,474
Speaker 3: do my homework. Oh all right, let's go to the

1801
01:24:14,514 --> 01:24:20,354
Speaker 3: TPS outline. Jason, Arkansas, what's up, Jay? Jay?

1802
01:24:20,554 --> 01:24:24,634
Speaker 25: Hey, always enjoyed listening and listening to you guys as

1803
01:24:24,674 --> 01:24:28,634
Speaker 25: often as a thought in boards being run.

1804
01:24:28,674 --> 01:24:29,154
Speaker 3: Great today.

1805
01:24:29,194 --> 01:24:32,314
Speaker 25: By the way, Hey, a couple of couple of things

1806
01:24:32,314 --> 01:24:35,914
Speaker 25: for you guys. First, you guys are talking about expectations

1807
01:24:35,954 --> 01:24:39,634
Speaker 25: for the season, and of course living down here in Arkansas.

1808
01:24:39,794 --> 01:24:43,834
Speaker 25: I can give you just as an example. So the

1809
01:24:43,954 --> 01:24:48,514
Speaker 25: Razorbacks won four games last year and the coach was

1810
01:24:48,514 --> 01:24:52,754
Speaker 25: on the hot seat. They somewhat turned it around this

1811
01:24:52,914 --> 01:24:55,274
Speaker 25: year and won six games. They're ball eligible, right, and

1812
01:24:55,434 --> 01:25:00,154
Speaker 25: everyone going into the season predicted they'll do well to

1813
01:25:00,194 --> 01:25:04,434
Speaker 25: get ball eligible, and so now that they're ball eligible,

1814
01:25:05,114 --> 01:25:07,754
Speaker 25: everyone still wants the coach fired because of how it

1815
01:25:07,874 --> 01:25:10,674
Speaker 25: looked during the season. And I'd just like to hear

1816
01:25:10,714 --> 01:25:14,394
Speaker 25: you guys talk about expectation, and you know, going into

1817
01:25:14,394 --> 01:25:19,154
Speaker 25: the season, no one, I guess everyone knew this would

1818
01:25:19,194 --> 01:25:21,954
Speaker 25: look potentially bad this year.

1819
01:25:22,354 --> 01:25:25,034
Speaker 11: No one predicted more than three to four even the

1820
01:25:25,034 --> 01:25:28,674
Speaker 11: most stuff optimistic, you know, thought, oh, maybe late in

1821
01:25:28,674 --> 01:25:29,034
Speaker 11: the year.

1822
01:25:31,354 --> 01:25:33,874
Speaker 4: Higher than the three or four weeks.

1823
01:25:34,794 --> 01:25:38,154
Speaker 11: But but I guess the point is now that we're

1824
01:25:38,194 --> 01:25:41,754
Speaker 11: seeing it play out and how it actually looks, that's

1825
01:25:41,754 --> 01:25:44,634
Speaker 11: where emotion gets involved and people get upset, right, and

1826
01:25:44,714 --> 01:25:46,954
Speaker 11: so people don't like things all the.

1827
01:25:46,874 --> 01:25:49,394
Speaker 25: Way down to the details of what GIAD says and

1828
01:25:49,474 --> 01:25:53,714
Speaker 25: press conferences, right, So just all that culminates into this

1829
01:25:53,914 --> 01:25:57,594
Speaker 25: dissatisfaction and all that when I think, for me, you.

1830
01:25:57,594 --> 01:25:58,554
Speaker 11: Take a step back.

1831
01:25:58,914 --> 01:26:01,354
Speaker 25: It's like we knew it would be painful, so now

1832
01:26:01,394 --> 01:26:03,514
Speaker 25: you just sludge through it, do the best you can.

1833
01:26:03,634 --> 01:26:07,434
Speaker 11: I know that's it's pro sports and all, and we're

1834
01:26:07,434 --> 01:26:09,714
Speaker 11: not in it for that, But you get the point is,

1835
01:26:09,954 --> 01:26:12,474
Speaker 11: I don't what frustrates me from time to time is

1836
01:26:12,514 --> 01:26:16,074
Speaker 11: hearing people who knew it was going to be tough

1837
01:26:17,754 --> 01:26:20,474
Speaker 11: act as if it wasn't going to be. It feels like,

1838
01:26:22,314 --> 01:26:24,034
Speaker 11: so I'd love to hear you guys talk about that

1839
01:26:24,074 --> 01:26:28,074
Speaker 11: and then real quickly on the one thing that stood

1840
01:26:28,074 --> 01:26:31,314
Speaker 11: out to me that I heard Daniel Jeremiah Day recently,

1841
01:26:31,394 --> 01:26:35,154
Speaker 11: I think specifically about the Patriots that I thought was

1842
01:26:35,194 --> 01:26:40,154
Speaker 11: really good that he said basically, any position other than quarterback,

1843
01:26:41,474 --> 01:26:46,234
Speaker 11: that team needs blue chippers. He calls them blue players

1844
01:26:46,954 --> 01:26:51,314
Speaker 11: at every position. So maybe outside of a Gonzales, outside

1845
01:26:51,354 --> 01:26:55,874
Speaker 11: of Drake, it doesn't matter what the position is. Just

1846
01:26:55,994 --> 01:26:59,834
Speaker 11: get as many of those first, second, maybe third round

1847
01:26:59,874 --> 01:27:03,234
Speaker 11: guys that you can and continue to build that roster.

1848
01:27:03,674 --> 01:27:05,994
Speaker 3: Yep, thanks guys, all right, thanks Jay.

1849
01:27:06,354 --> 01:27:08,914
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would just say, you know, because I think

1850
01:27:08,994 --> 01:27:12,794
Speaker 4: Jay makes a really good point about the way it

1851
01:27:12,834 --> 01:27:16,274
Speaker 4: looks and the perceptions and all that stuff can kind

1852
01:27:16,314 --> 01:27:19,314
Speaker 4: of change, and I think there's there's a lot of

1853
01:27:19,354 --> 01:27:22,794
Speaker 4: validity to that. I would just look at, like, don't

1854
01:27:22,794 --> 01:27:26,594
Speaker 4: focus on the record as much, but like the last

1855
01:27:26,874 --> 01:27:29,514
Speaker 4: the two of the two of the last three, the

1856
01:27:29,554 --> 01:27:33,794
Speaker 4: two last two home games rams Colts, right, they're both losses.

1857
01:27:34,714 --> 01:27:37,074
Speaker 4: I think we floated in here after the Rams game.

1858
01:27:37,434 --> 01:27:40,434
Speaker 4: It's like, I mean, in very similar teams. I use

1859
01:27:40,474 --> 01:27:42,994
Speaker 4: those two teams because they're also I think they have

1860
01:27:43,074 --> 01:27:43,754
Speaker 4: the same record.

1861
01:27:43,914 --> 01:27:44,234
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1862
01:27:44,274 --> 01:27:46,874
Speaker 4: Actually I think they're both like six and seven or

1863
01:27:46,954 --> 01:27:49,474
Speaker 4: five and five and six, five and six something, you

1864
01:27:49,474 --> 01:27:51,874
Speaker 4: know whatever. They're very similar. They were one. I think

1865
01:27:51,914 --> 01:27:56,034
Speaker 4: they're both like one game below five hundred or five hundred.

1866
01:27:57,074 --> 01:28:00,834
Speaker 4: The Rams game, you looked at it and you're like, yeah,

1867
01:28:01,114 --> 01:28:04,194
Speaker 4: they were hanging on, they were scrapping. You know, Drake

1868
01:28:04,234 --> 01:28:07,514
Speaker 4: played well. Drake made all these plays. First half. Drake

1869
01:28:07,674 --> 01:28:09,794
Speaker 4: was like on fire, and they had a chance at

1870
01:28:09,834 --> 01:28:12,474
Speaker 4: the end and they unfortunately they couldn't pull it off.

1871
01:28:12,474 --> 01:28:15,194
Speaker 4: The Colts game, I think the Colt the Colts game,

1872
01:28:15,194 --> 01:28:18,754
Speaker 4: the Patriots dominated, really they kind of dominated.

1873
01:28:18,834 --> 01:28:20,474
Speaker 3: They were the better team in the field, and.

1874
01:28:21,074 --> 01:28:23,514
Speaker 4: They lost the game at the end because they couldn't

1875
01:28:23,554 --> 01:28:27,874
Speaker 4: make the plays. And I personally had two entirely different

1876
01:28:28,394 --> 01:28:32,754
Speaker 4: outlooks after those two games. They both losses. Like so

1877
01:28:33,034 --> 01:28:34,514
Speaker 4: on paper you just look and say, well, what are

1878
01:28:34,514 --> 01:28:37,634
Speaker 4: you expecting, Like you're expecting to lose more than you won.

1879
01:28:38,314 --> 01:28:40,674
Speaker 4: But I think that those two games can be perceived.

1880
01:28:40,954 --> 01:28:43,634
Speaker 3: It can be but when you look at the season

1881
01:28:43,674 --> 01:28:47,594
Speaker 3: as a whole. Most people were predicting a bad season.

1882
01:28:47,794 --> 01:28:51,554
Speaker 3: I mean, mister Homer here said the ceiling was six.

1883
01:28:51,754 --> 01:28:54,394
Speaker 3: Ye when you did that was my ceiling.

1884
01:28:53,994 --> 01:28:56,554
Speaker 4: Because you were rational, right, not like the Boston glow.

1885
01:28:56,674 --> 01:28:58,794
Speaker 3: So when you're gonna win six or less games in

1886
01:28:58,874 --> 01:29:00,874
Speaker 3: a season, a lot of bad things are gonna happen

1887
01:29:01,034 --> 01:29:04,874
Speaker 3: eight or nine, you know. And it's just when they happen,

1888
01:29:04,954 --> 01:29:08,034
Speaker 3: how they manifest it, you know. And when they do happen,

1889
01:29:08,314 --> 01:29:11,034
Speaker 3: you're gonna point fingers. And that's what's happening right now,

1890
01:29:11,234 --> 01:29:14,274
Speaker 3: And it happens with every bad team. Fingers start. Is

1891
01:29:14,274 --> 01:29:16,674
Speaker 3: it the coach? Is it the coordinators? Is it the players?

1892
01:29:16,794 --> 01:29:18,834
Speaker 3: Is it the owner? Is it you know, the GM.

1893
01:29:19,274 --> 01:29:22,474
Speaker 3: That's what happens with bad teams. And we're we haven't

1894
01:29:22,474 --> 01:29:24,914
Speaker 3: we're not used to that because we haven't been really

1895
01:29:24,954 --> 01:29:27,874
Speaker 3: that bad until last year when we had four wins,

1896
01:29:29,874 --> 01:29:31,874
Speaker 3: you know. And we're also used to having a coach

1897
01:29:32,154 --> 01:29:36,314
Speaker 3: who rarely makes a GUFA in a press conference and

1898
01:29:36,474 --> 01:29:40,114
Speaker 3: rarely makes a bad decision during a game because of

1899
01:29:40,154 --> 01:29:43,674
Speaker 3: his experience and his intellect, and so this is all

1900
01:29:43,714 --> 01:29:47,754
Speaker 3: new to us. But for a bad teams. This is

1901
01:29:47,754 --> 01:29:52,434
Speaker 3: what happens. This is what happens. You know, this is

1902
01:29:52,474 --> 01:29:53,073
Speaker 3: what happens.

1903
01:29:53,314 --> 01:29:56,514
Speaker 6: I think the frustrating part for me from just the

1904
01:29:56,554 --> 01:30:01,914
Speaker 6: actual results is that it feels like Drake is ready

1905
01:30:01,954 --> 01:30:05,154
Speaker 6: to win games in this league. Yeah, and he's played

1906
01:30:05,194 --> 01:30:08,954
Speaker 6: at a competent level that they should be winning probably

1907
01:30:08,994 --> 01:30:11,274
Speaker 6: half of the games that he's played in and he's

1908
01:30:11,354 --> 01:30:14,354
Speaker 6: one in six in games that he started and finished.

1909
01:30:14,354 --> 01:30:16,954
Speaker 3: I mean, Paul, you watched a lot of youth sports

1910
01:30:16,994 --> 01:30:19,834
Speaker 3: with your kids, you know, and you're starting to get

1911
01:30:19,834 --> 01:30:22,754
Speaker 3: into that. And I have to admit, if my kid

1912
01:30:22,834 --> 01:30:26,034
Speaker 3: lost but he played really well, secretly like I'm good

1913
01:30:26,034 --> 01:30:28,394
Speaker 3: with that as long as he played well, you know,

1914
01:30:29,234 --> 01:30:30,794
Speaker 3: you know, and when you talk to him, like, yeah,

1915
01:30:30,794 --> 01:30:32,794
Speaker 3: it's tough loss, tough loss, but in the back of

1916
01:30:32,874 --> 01:30:35,114
Speaker 3: your mind like, no, my kids, my kids playing well.

1917
01:30:36,034 --> 01:30:37,794
Speaker 3: I think that's kind of like how I feel with

1918
01:30:37,874 --> 01:30:40,474
Speaker 3: Drake right now, Like, yeah, as long as he's playing well,

1919
01:30:41,074 --> 01:30:42,074
Speaker 3: that's what we're building on.

1920
01:30:42,234 --> 01:30:44,074
Speaker 5: That's been enterprise to me is like I thought there'd

1921
01:30:44,074 --> 01:30:46,674
Speaker 5: be there'd be growing pains, and the win loss record

1922
01:30:46,714 --> 01:30:48,914
Speaker 5: would look like what it looks like. But I just think,

1923
01:30:48,914 --> 01:30:51,714
Speaker 5: to me, the strides that he's made. That's been really

1924
01:30:51,714 --> 01:30:53,434
Speaker 5: the most fun part of this season for me. I've

1925
01:30:53,434 --> 01:30:54,554
Speaker 5: seen a couple of rookie quarters.

1926
01:30:54,554 --> 01:30:56,994
Speaker 3: Thank god for that. You know, if he wasn't.

1927
01:30:56,794 --> 01:30:58,834
Speaker 5: Right, I mean, what if he you know, he cat

1928
01:30:58,914 --> 01:31:01,194
Speaker 5: by the offense and you know, just to.

1929
01:31:01,114 --> 01:31:06,234
Speaker 6: Think about how he's he's played get with what's around him, Yeah,

1930
01:31:06,474 --> 01:31:09,474
Speaker 6: is startling, and then all you start to think about,

1931
01:31:09,514 --> 01:31:11,794
Speaker 6: you get really excited when you start thinking about, well,

1932
01:31:11,834 --> 01:31:13,794
Speaker 6: when there's stuff around him, what's it going to look like?

1933
01:31:14,034 --> 01:31:14,194
Speaker 2: Right?

1934
01:31:14,234 --> 01:31:16,954
Speaker 6: You know, right now, he's fourteenth in the QBR in

1935
01:31:17,034 --> 01:31:19,794
Speaker 6: the league with the worst supporting cast in the NFL.

1936
01:31:20,234 --> 01:31:24,994
Speaker 6: So he's an average NFL quarterback with the thirty second

1937
01:31:25,794 --> 01:31:31,354
Speaker 6: pass blocking offensive line and really no elite receivers at all.

1938
01:31:31,434 --> 01:31:34,674
Speaker 6: Neither's some guys that Hunter Henry's a solid tight end.

1939
01:31:34,994 --> 01:31:36,354
Speaker 6: You know, there are guys that play in the league

1940
01:31:36,354 --> 01:31:38,714
Speaker 6: that are NFL players on this on this team on offense,

1941
01:31:38,754 --> 01:31:41,514
Speaker 6: but you know, you get him some real blue chip

1942
01:31:41,554 --> 01:31:44,114
Speaker 6: talent on the offensive side of the ball around him.

1943
01:31:44,554 --> 01:31:46,434
Speaker 5: I mean, like that's what's missing for me, is like

1944
01:31:46,434 --> 01:31:48,674
Speaker 5: the guys that can take a throw from Drake that's

1945
01:31:48,714 --> 01:31:50,994
Speaker 5: an impressive throw and do something with it. I feel

1946
01:31:51,034 --> 01:31:53,234
Speaker 5: like a lot of these guys, now it's going to

1947
01:31:53,314 --> 01:31:55,154
Speaker 5: be the throw and the catch, it's not going to

1948
01:31:55,234 --> 01:31:57,474
Speaker 5: be what comes after it. With these guys, that's like

1949
01:31:57,554 --> 01:32:00,074
Speaker 5: that's the gear that I feel like they're missing where

1950
01:32:00,314 --> 01:32:01,834
Speaker 5: you know, even just watching some of the Broncos like

1951
01:32:01,914 --> 01:32:04,594
Speaker 5: yeah with like with Judy where he's you know, taking

1952
01:32:04,634 --> 01:32:06,434
Speaker 5: off down the field, they're pretty low and yeah, you

1953
01:32:06,514 --> 01:32:08,554
Speaker 5: know those like I mean, you know those are those

1954
01:32:08,554 --> 01:32:10,554
Speaker 5: are the things that and you just hope that it's

1955
01:32:10,594 --> 01:32:12,674
Speaker 5: not whackam mool from here on out, that all right,

1956
01:32:12,714 --> 01:32:15,034
Speaker 5: well we got Drake, get him the receiver, Oh no,

1957
01:32:15,114 --> 01:32:16,994
Speaker 5: the left tackle we drafted, got heard or you know,

1958
01:32:17,034 --> 01:32:19,234
Speaker 5: like that's the game you don't want to play. And

1959
01:32:19,274 --> 01:32:20,834
Speaker 5: it's hard though. I mean, look at all these teams,

1960
01:32:20,914 --> 01:32:22,834
Speaker 5: all of them are dealing with whack them moole, and

1961
01:32:23,154 --> 01:32:24,394
Speaker 5: it's just something everything is.

1962
01:32:24,314 --> 01:32:26,314
Speaker 4: True, I just feel. And the reason why I think

1963
01:32:26,394 --> 01:32:29,954
Speaker 4: evans proclamation of competing for a playoff spot next year

1964
01:32:29,994 --> 01:32:33,994
Speaker 4: isn't outrageous is because you look around the league and

1965
01:32:35,194 --> 01:32:37,354
Speaker 4: you don't I think there are teams that compete for

1966
01:32:37,354 --> 01:32:40,594
Speaker 4: playoff spots that quite frankly aren't all that good. I

1967
01:32:40,674 --> 01:32:43,114
Speaker 4: don't think you have to be a great team to

1968
01:32:43,194 --> 01:32:45,914
Speaker 4: compete for a playership. And they keep, yeah, they keep

1969
01:32:45,954 --> 01:32:48,234
Speaker 4: expanding the playoffs. More and more teams are in. Now

1970
01:32:48,274 --> 01:32:52,154
Speaker 4: it's up to seven playoff teams per conference. You don't

1971
01:32:52,234 --> 01:32:55,554
Speaker 4: have to be a great team to get in that conference.

1972
01:32:55,554 --> 01:32:56,914
Speaker 4: The Colts are not a very good.

1973
01:32:56,794 --> 01:32:59,114
Speaker 5: Yea, I'm just going to hanging and.

1974
01:32:59,114 --> 01:33:01,834
Speaker 4: They're eighth right now, right Like, they're not a very

1975
01:33:01,834 --> 01:33:03,794
Speaker 4: good team. I don't think Denver is a great team.

1976
01:33:03,874 --> 01:33:06,714
Speaker 6: That's why my expectation is that next year, because you

1977
01:33:06,834 --> 01:33:10,354
Speaker 6: have the resources to add a lot of pieces in

1978
01:33:10,394 --> 01:33:12,474
Speaker 6: this offseason and you're going to hit every single hole.

1979
01:33:12,554 --> 01:33:16,434
Speaker 6: Probably not, but you have enough to be a hovering

1980
01:33:16,474 --> 01:33:18,434
Speaker 6: around five hundred this time next year.

1981
01:33:18,554 --> 01:33:19,034
Speaker 3: Quarterback.

1982
01:33:19,154 --> 01:33:21,034
Speaker 5: You know, I just I'm swimming a lot in the

1983
01:33:21,034 --> 01:33:23,274
Speaker 5: defensive thoughts because on one hand, I was ready to

1984
01:33:23,274 --> 01:33:25,634
Speaker 5: say I'm really disappointed in the defense, but I also

1985
01:33:25,754 --> 01:33:28,394
Speaker 5: feel like I talked a lot about the defense this summer,

1986
01:33:28,394 --> 01:33:30,074
Speaker 5: and I was worried about the pass rush and I

1987
01:33:30,074 --> 01:33:31,594
Speaker 5: thought that that was a key piece of it. And

1988
01:33:32,114 --> 01:33:34,754
Speaker 5: I just but I'm still surprised that these were as

1989
01:33:34,754 --> 01:33:36,714
Speaker 5: I said yesterday on the show, that these are this

1990
01:33:36,794 --> 01:33:38,794
Speaker 5: is the holdover side of the ball, and how did

1991
01:33:38,794 --> 01:33:40,554
Speaker 5: this be the side that I think we were all

1992
01:33:40,554 --> 01:33:42,754
Speaker 5: at least counting on that that side of the ball

1993
01:33:42,754 --> 01:33:45,954
Speaker 5: would be solid, you know, and certainly injuries have changed

1994
01:33:45,954 --> 01:33:47,594
Speaker 5: it a little bit that that has to be said.

1995
01:33:47,634 --> 01:33:49,674
Speaker 5: But at the same time, I just I wonder what

1996
01:33:49,674 --> 01:33:51,434
Speaker 5: they're going to do defensively together.

1997
01:33:51,434 --> 01:33:53,954
Speaker 3: That's going to be a big that's analysis part of it. Yeah,

1998
01:33:53,954 --> 01:33:57,594
Speaker 3: that's a big analysis postseason is what happened to the defense? Yeah,

1999
01:33:57,674 --> 01:34:00,114
Speaker 3: what were the reasons that contributed today?

2000
01:34:00,114 --> 01:34:00,634
Speaker 11: They need to.

2001
01:34:00,514 --> 01:34:02,994
Speaker 6: Decide how they want to play defense here moving forward,

2002
01:34:03,154 --> 01:34:06,674
Speaker 6: Like are they able to truly be a Belichick defense

2003
01:34:07,154 --> 01:34:09,674
Speaker 6: where you know, you have all these a lot of

2004
01:34:09,714 --> 01:34:12,274
Speaker 6: mix and matching, a lot of game plan elements, a

2005
01:34:12,274 --> 01:34:14,274
Speaker 6: lot of that type of stuff. Or are you going

2006
01:34:14,354 --> 01:34:16,034
Speaker 6: to have to go to more of like a base

2007
01:34:16,114 --> 01:34:19,794
Speaker 6: system where you have some tweaks here and there for

2008
01:34:19,914 --> 01:34:23,474
Speaker 6: game plans and special circumstances. But for the most part,

2009
01:34:23,594 --> 01:34:25,074
Speaker 6: this is just kind of what we do.

2010
01:34:25,234 --> 01:34:27,794
Speaker 3: I've been thinking about that to be that type of defense,

2011
01:34:28,394 --> 01:34:31,554
Speaker 3: do you need those two or three guys that they're

2012
01:34:31,634 --> 01:34:33,194
Speaker 3: just better than the guys they line up.

2013
01:34:33,274 --> 01:34:35,634
Speaker 6: To be to be great at it. Yeah, but I

2014
01:34:35,634 --> 01:34:37,714
Speaker 6: think they might have two of them, you know, with

2015
01:34:37,754 --> 01:34:41,114
Speaker 6: a healthy bar More and with Gonzales, right, So if

2016
01:34:41,154 --> 01:34:43,274
Speaker 6: you can get a third one in here, whether it's

2017
01:34:43,314 --> 01:34:45,514
Speaker 6: through the draft or free agency or whatever, then maybe

2018
01:34:45,554 --> 01:34:47,554
Speaker 6: you can be that way. But I just look at

2019
01:34:47,554 --> 01:34:49,914
Speaker 6: the good defenses across the league now, and for the

2020
01:34:49,954 --> 01:34:53,514
Speaker 6: most part, teams are playing systems. They're not playing they're

2021
01:34:53,554 --> 01:34:56,354
Speaker 6: not trying to be Bill Belichick and you know, make

2022
01:34:56,434 --> 01:34:58,114
Speaker 6: everything unique and different.

2023
01:34:58,194 --> 01:35:00,874
Speaker 3: Well, but what happens to those system defense is when

2024
01:35:01,034 --> 01:35:02,514
Speaker 3: the injury bug hits.

2025
01:35:03,474 --> 01:35:05,754
Speaker 6: For the most part, they survive it a little bit

2026
01:35:05,794 --> 01:35:07,754
Speaker 6: because they have their lost you know what you need

2027
01:35:07,994 --> 01:35:10,754
Speaker 6: right Like they you know, like they need this type

2028
01:35:10,754 --> 01:35:14,834
Speaker 6: of player to play, right, So they might have a

2029
01:35:14,874 --> 01:35:17,674
Speaker 6: backup who's not quite as good but is in a

2030
01:35:17,754 --> 01:35:19,114
Speaker 6: similar mold as the starter.

2031
01:35:19,714 --> 01:35:21,314
Speaker 5: I've been thinking a little bit. We talked to Elliot

2032
01:35:21,354 --> 01:35:23,274
Speaker 5: Wolf last year at the draft and that was, you know,

2033
01:35:23,314 --> 01:35:25,594
Speaker 5: really cool and one of the questions that I don't

2034
01:35:25,594 --> 01:35:28,274
Speaker 5: know how I would ask it exactly, but it's just

2035
01:35:28,314 --> 01:35:31,314
Speaker 5: how do you as a GM build a defense like that?

2036
01:35:31,394 --> 01:35:33,434
Speaker 5: Because they're like, well, we can be anything, but don't

2037
01:35:33,474 --> 01:35:35,714
Speaker 5: you have to have like a core set of principles

2038
01:35:35,714 --> 01:35:38,434
Speaker 5: that like, look, we need to have X, Y and

2039
01:35:38,554 --> 01:35:40,754
Speaker 5: Z on this defense or else nothing's gonna work. You know,

2040
01:35:40,794 --> 01:35:43,514
Speaker 5: we can't get stuck in this position where you know

2041
01:35:43,514 --> 01:35:45,674
Speaker 5: we're a jack of all defenses, but we're really a

2042
01:35:45,674 --> 01:35:47,834
Speaker 5: master of no defenses. You know, there's nothing that we.

2043
01:35:47,794 --> 01:35:48,274
Speaker 3: Can go to.

2044
01:35:49,314 --> 01:35:50,994
Speaker 5: And I've said up before, like I always felt with

2045
01:35:50,994 --> 01:35:54,434
Speaker 5: Bill's defense, even as they got into safeties, playing linebackers

2046
01:35:54,474 --> 01:35:56,714
Speaker 5: and they're playing way more nickel, and you know, it

2047
01:35:56,794 --> 01:35:58,794
Speaker 5: was still we're getting wroung on. We're going to three fourth.

2048
01:35:58,834 --> 01:36:00,594
Speaker 5: That's the defense we install in day one in this

2049
01:36:00,834 --> 01:36:02,914
Speaker 5: you know, everybody we know what we're doing, three four

2050
01:36:02,954 --> 01:36:05,034
Speaker 5: defense will go to that to get right. And I

2051
01:36:05,114 --> 01:36:07,714
Speaker 5: just they don't really have that this year. And that's

2052
01:36:07,794 --> 01:36:09,674
Speaker 5: I just I don't know how you start to rebuild

2053
01:36:09,674 --> 01:36:11,114
Speaker 5: this defense other than you need two dudes.

2054
01:36:11,154 --> 01:36:14,314
Speaker 3: And I think the game has gotten so sophisticated on

2055
01:36:14,394 --> 01:36:16,754
Speaker 3: both sides of the ball that you have to be versatile,

2056
01:36:17,074 --> 01:36:19,354
Speaker 3: whether you're an offense or a defense, and you can't

2057
01:36:19,394 --> 01:36:23,434
Speaker 3: just be one thing because coordinator on defense are too smart.

2058
01:36:23,834 --> 01:36:26,674
Speaker 3: They're gonna pick you. You know, they're to take advantage

2059
01:36:26,714 --> 01:36:29,914
Speaker 3: of that and offensive coordinators. If you're one thing on defense,

2060
01:36:29,994 --> 01:36:32,194
Speaker 3: they're gonna take advantage of that. You have to be

2061
01:36:32,234 --> 01:36:36,034
Speaker 3: able to adapt to who your opponent is. And then

2062
01:36:36,194 --> 01:36:37,514
Speaker 3: within a game.

2063
01:36:37,434 --> 01:36:40,234
Speaker 6: Yeah, we just see a lot of defenses now. I

2064
01:36:40,234 --> 01:36:44,113
Speaker 6: would say that it's kind of become a lot like offense.

2065
01:36:44,154 --> 01:36:46,994
Speaker 6: How we talk about the Shanahan tree, like there's really

2066
01:36:47,034 --> 01:36:49,434
Speaker 6: only a couple of different trees of defense that are

2067
01:36:49,474 --> 01:36:53,074
Speaker 6: being played now. The Fangio tree is massive, like Vic

2068
01:36:53,154 --> 01:36:57,034
Speaker 6: Fangio's defense too high spin the dial with the safeties

2069
01:36:57,114 --> 01:36:59,714
Speaker 6: is like what everybody plays now practically. I mean, that's

2070
01:36:59,754 --> 01:37:01,234
Speaker 6: got to be at least a third of the league

2071
01:37:01,354 --> 01:37:04,794
Speaker 6: that's running the Fangio system defensively. And then the Seattle

2072
01:37:04,914 --> 01:37:07,794
Speaker 6: the new version of the Seattle three, which it takes

2073
01:37:07,794 --> 01:37:10,314
Speaker 6: a little bit of the Fangio stuff, but the core

2074
01:37:10,394 --> 01:37:13,634
Speaker 6: principles of the Seattle three I think I just like

2075
01:37:14,074 --> 01:37:16,314
Speaker 6: encapsulated probably to feel like a book.

2076
01:37:16,034 --> 01:37:20,354
Speaker 3: That has all this stuff in it. Oh, let's.

2077
01:37:22,034 --> 01:37:22,714
Speaker 4: I missed it.

2078
01:37:24,474 --> 01:37:29,234
Speaker 3: But seriously, say, like the Seattle three, like is there

2079
01:37:29,354 --> 01:37:31,314
Speaker 3: some place that like you know, like.

2080
01:37:31,274 --> 01:37:34,034
Speaker 4: You look at like the Colts, like because Gus Bradley

2081
01:37:34,114 --> 01:37:36,554
Speaker 4: was there, so like that's basically how it goes, Like

2082
01:37:36,874 --> 01:37:41,394
Speaker 4: Evan said, Fangio is basically he's like the almost like

2083
01:37:41,394 --> 01:37:44,674
Speaker 4: the McVeigh. Now yeah, McVay Shanny, I know all these

2084
01:37:44,714 --> 01:37:47,154
Speaker 4: guys that were So you can sort of take from

2085
01:37:47,154 --> 01:37:50,554
Speaker 4: it like, well, he probably has those kinds of principles.

2086
01:37:50,914 --> 01:37:54,914
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm simplistic. I just look at it like

2087
01:37:54,994 --> 01:37:58,314
Speaker 4: who are the best defenses in the league, Like who's

2088
01:37:58,354 --> 01:37:59,394
Speaker 4: really good on defense?

2089
01:37:59,914 --> 01:38:00,074
Speaker 3: Yea?

2090
01:38:00,554 --> 01:38:05,954
Speaker 4: And of those who's like who stops good offenses? Like

2091
01:38:06,754 --> 01:38:09,034
Speaker 4: the Broncos have been playing as well defensively as anyone.

2092
01:38:09,074 --> 01:38:12,954
Speaker 4: They get thirty whatever the other night to Jameis Winston. Yeah,

2093
01:38:13,514 --> 01:38:17,274
Speaker 4: now you could argue they also scored fourteen points, so

2094
01:38:17,314 --> 01:38:19,194
Speaker 4: they are a good defense. I do think Denver's a

2095
01:38:19,234 --> 01:38:22,114
Speaker 4: good defense. I don't think they're overrated. Right Kansas City,

2096
01:38:22,194 --> 01:38:23,754
Speaker 4: I think is a good defense. But I watch Aidan

2097
01:38:23,794 --> 01:38:26,754
Speaker 4: O'Connell throw for over three hundred yard the other day. Well, like,

2098
01:38:27,034 --> 01:38:28,954
Speaker 4: because it's hard to play, it's hard.

2099
01:38:28,754 --> 01:38:31,074
Speaker 3: To play defense, and then when you when you then

2100
01:38:31,114 --> 01:38:35,434
Speaker 3: when you get those rare years where you have elite defenses, Oh,

2101
01:38:35,474 --> 01:38:37,754
Speaker 3: it turns out on those teams that were Hall of famers,

2102
01:38:38,594 --> 01:38:41,674
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Ed Reid and Ray Lewis,

2103
01:38:41,714 --> 01:38:44,754
Speaker 3: and you know Noddy who's not a Hall of Famer

2104
01:38:44,794 --> 01:38:46,834
Speaker 3: but he was great. And the other crazy guy up

2105
01:38:46,874 --> 01:38:49,994
Speaker 3: front that they had Melodinada where you're trying to known,

2106
01:38:50,314 --> 01:38:54,354
Speaker 3: but who was the guy sugs like these are? These

2107
01:38:54,354 --> 01:38:57,714
Speaker 3: are great players, you know. I don't care if they

2108
01:38:57,714 --> 01:38:59,354
Speaker 3: were the Seattle three or that.

2109
01:39:00,434 --> 01:39:05,674
Speaker 4: Doe, you know, but I just don't know, Like if

2110
01:39:05,674 --> 01:39:07,754
Speaker 4: we have the best defense in the league and we

2111
01:39:07,754 --> 01:39:10,074
Speaker 4: don't score enough, I don't know how good that?

2112
01:39:10,194 --> 01:39:11,074
Speaker 3: No, I know, I know, I.

2113
01:39:11,034 --> 01:39:13,114
Speaker 5: Got a little angle that I'm curious even's thought. This

2114
01:39:13,234 --> 01:39:15,434
Speaker 5: just kind of came to me. You know, Mike McDonald

2115
01:39:15,474 --> 01:39:17,794
Speaker 5: was in Baltimore last year and earned so much praise

2116
01:39:17,834 --> 01:39:21,314
Speaker 5: and really being kind of a Belichick game plan type defense,

2117
01:39:21,354 --> 01:39:23,674
Speaker 5: and that defense has fallen off the cliff just like this,

2118
01:39:23,714 --> 01:39:25,714
Speaker 5: what kind of has I wonder if those you know,

2119
01:39:25,794 --> 01:39:28,994
Speaker 5: two things are somehow a little bit related where defense

2120
01:39:29,074 --> 01:39:32,714
Speaker 5: is really reliant on a specific person putting a game

2121
01:39:32,754 --> 01:39:35,394
Speaker 5: plan together, and when you don't have that person anymore,

2122
01:39:35,434 --> 01:39:36,594
Speaker 5: it's it's gonna fall off.

2123
01:39:36,434 --> 01:39:36,874
Speaker 3: A little bit.

2124
01:39:36,914 --> 01:39:39,354
Speaker 6: I think the name of the game now defensively, to

2125
01:39:39,514 --> 01:39:42,354
Speaker 6: like the McDonald point is like how can we scheme

2126
01:39:42,434 --> 01:39:45,554
Speaker 6: pressure without giving up numbers in coverage? Right, So, like

2127
01:39:45,794 --> 01:39:48,434
Speaker 6: all these teams are running these simulated pressures now where

2128
01:39:48,434 --> 01:39:51,234
Speaker 6: it's we're gonna show that we're gonna bring the house,

2129
01:39:51,274 --> 01:39:53,474
Speaker 6: but we're actually gonna drop out of it and we're

2130
01:39:53,514 --> 01:39:55,834
Speaker 6: gonna drop into seven man coverage and we're only going

2131
01:39:55,914 --> 01:39:58,234
Speaker 6: to bring four. But our scheme is going to create

2132
01:39:58,234 --> 01:40:01,434
Speaker 6: free runners at the quarterback. And Bill last year number

2133
01:40:01,474 --> 01:40:03,474
Speaker 6: one in the league in unblocked pressure rate. He was

2134
01:40:03,514 --> 01:40:05,914
Speaker 6: the best at it in the league last year still,

2135
01:40:06,194 --> 01:40:08,914
Speaker 6: and the Ravens were number two with Mike McDonald. So

2136
01:40:09,154 --> 01:40:12,114
Speaker 6: those guys are really good at cooking up pressure, but that.

2137
01:40:12,034 --> 01:40:15,194
Speaker 3: Type of pressure and you know, fooling the quarterback by

2138
01:40:15,234 --> 01:40:18,914
Speaker 3: dropping guys out when it looked Pittsburgh was doing that

2139
01:40:19,034 --> 01:40:20,354
Speaker 3: like twenty years ago.

2140
01:40:20,194 --> 01:40:24,194
Speaker 6: Pittsburgh running fire zones twenty years ago. The difference between

2141
01:40:24,274 --> 01:40:27,394
Speaker 6: what these are now is that is the simulated aspect

2142
01:40:27,474 --> 01:40:29,634
Speaker 6: of it, where like they're showing.

2143
01:40:29,434 --> 01:40:31,234
Speaker 3: No, that's what they would do, and guys would drop

2144
01:40:31,274 --> 01:40:35,074
Speaker 3: out they chose seven. Yeah, zone blitz red dog, they

2145
01:40:35,114 --> 01:40:36,234
Speaker 3: call all this kind of stuff.

2146
01:40:36,274 --> 01:40:39,034
Speaker 6: Yeah, they'd run fire zones, yeah, zone blitzes. But I

2147
01:40:39,074 --> 01:40:42,514
Speaker 6: feel like nowadays you see a lot more of you know,

2148
01:40:42,714 --> 01:40:45,394
Speaker 6: second and third level guys adding into the rush from

2149
01:40:45,514 --> 01:40:50,994
Speaker 6: coverage spots, right, like, not from spots in the front seven. Yeah,

2150
01:40:50,994 --> 01:40:53,434
Speaker 6: because they're dropping a guy off the line of scrimmage

2151
01:40:53,474 --> 01:40:55,714
Speaker 6: who you think is rushing, and they're gonna bring the

2152
01:40:55,794 --> 01:40:57,874
Speaker 6: nickel from the other side of the formation that you're

2153
01:40:57,914 --> 01:41:00,874
Speaker 6: not expecting to blitz, and then that confuses the protections

2154
01:41:00,954 --> 01:41:06,794
Speaker 6: up front. Blitzer, Yeah, he was, Yeah, So you have

2155
01:41:06,834 --> 01:41:09,634
Speaker 6: all these different mixes of matches and uh, those guys,

2156
01:41:09,634 --> 01:41:12,434
Speaker 6: you know, Flores is a master at it. You know,

2157
01:41:12,474 --> 01:41:16,314
Speaker 6: Flora has really started to install these, uh, these six

2158
01:41:16,434 --> 01:41:19,434
Speaker 6: man zone coverages, so like instead of cover zero with

2159
01:41:19,554 --> 01:41:22,314
Speaker 6: man to man, he plays cover zero with zone behind

2160
01:41:22,314 --> 01:41:24,073
Speaker 6: it now, which like changed everything.

2161
01:41:24,194 --> 01:41:24,354
Speaker 3: Right.

2162
01:41:24,394 --> 01:41:26,754
Speaker 6: That was like an in the vative like sort of

2163
01:41:26,794 --> 01:41:29,994
Speaker 6: thing that happened. So you know, all these things are

2164
01:41:30,074 --> 01:41:32,834
Speaker 6: just like always evolving.

2165
01:41:33,314 --> 01:41:33,434
Speaker 3: Uh.

2166
01:41:33,514 --> 01:41:35,914
Speaker 6: And I feel like with the Patriots, like this year,

2167
01:41:35,954 --> 01:41:37,434
Speaker 6: it kind of felt like they tried to run a

2168
01:41:37,434 --> 01:41:40,034
Speaker 6: little bit of everything where they were like, we're gonna

2169
01:41:40,034 --> 01:41:42,754
Speaker 6: do some of the Flores stuff, and we might do

2170
01:41:42,834 --> 01:41:44,594
Speaker 6: some of the Baltimore stuff, and we might do some

2171
01:41:44,634 --> 01:41:46,834
Speaker 6: of the Bill stuff and so then they just became

2172
01:41:47,074 --> 01:41:48,994
Speaker 6: bad at all of it, right, instead of good at

2173
01:41:48,994 --> 01:41:50,394
Speaker 6: one thing, they weren't really great at it.

2174
01:41:50,554 --> 01:41:53,114
Speaker 3: So and I think in our first second year of PFW,

2175
01:41:53,874 --> 01:41:56,194
Speaker 3: we did a story on the origin of the three four.

2176
01:41:56,634 --> 01:41:58,114
Speaker 3: Now I don't know if it's accurate, but who do

2177
01:41:58,154 --> 01:42:00,594
Speaker 3: you think was the known as the father of the

2178
01:42:00,634 --> 01:42:01,114
Speaker 3: three four?

2179
01:42:01,274 --> 01:42:05,634
Speaker 6: So Oklahoma, ok that goes before my time?

2180
01:42:05,834 --> 01:42:06,794
Speaker 4: Was that Bud Wilkinson.

2181
01:42:07,154 --> 01:42:09,034
Speaker 3: Bud Wilkinson that was before me?

2182
01:42:09,074 --> 01:42:10,754
Speaker 4: Because I didn't I wasn't a proud of that store.

2183
01:42:10,834 --> 01:42:12,874
Speaker 3: That's that's the correct answer. I think it. I don't

2184
01:42:12,874 --> 01:42:16,434
Speaker 3: know if he's Oklahoma or Army Oklahoma. Oklahoma. Yeah, yeah,

2185
01:42:16,514 --> 01:42:20,114
Speaker 3: it's still called still called Oki. Like the Bud Wilkerson.

2186
01:42:20,234 --> 01:42:22,714
Speaker 6: I'd say the three four is made a comeback. Fanji

2187
01:42:22,794 --> 01:42:23,594
Speaker 6: is a three four guy.

2188
01:42:23,754 --> 01:42:24,674
Speaker 4: Don't call it a comeback.

2189
01:42:24,914 --> 01:42:27,514
Speaker 6: Bill's always been pretty much a three four guy. That

2190
01:42:28,274 --> 01:42:30,474
Speaker 6: Fangio plays three four a little bit differently than the

2191
01:42:30,474 --> 01:42:32,754
Speaker 6: Patriots do. They don't two gap, they gap and a half,

2192
01:42:32,874 --> 01:42:34,394
Speaker 6: but like it's basically the same thing.

2193
01:42:34,594 --> 01:42:35,754
Speaker 3: How do you gop in a half?

2194
01:42:36,274 --> 01:42:39,234
Speaker 6: So you play a primary gap and you you commit

2195
01:42:39,314 --> 01:42:42,274
Speaker 6: to the primary gap, but not all the way so

2196
01:42:42,474 --> 01:42:44,714
Speaker 6: like you you commit to the primary gap like seventy

2197
01:42:44,754 --> 01:42:46,554
Speaker 6: five percent of the way, and then you have a

2198
01:42:46,594 --> 01:42:49,354
Speaker 6: secondary gap that you're supposed to like fold over, like

2199
01:42:49,394 --> 01:42:50,554
Speaker 6: so when you read the ball.

2200
01:42:50,794 --> 01:42:53,114
Speaker 3: So you're not playing zero technique.

2201
01:42:53,554 --> 01:42:56,434
Speaker 6: No, that's different. No, that's just like where you're lining

2202
01:42:56,514 --> 01:42:58,194
Speaker 6: up on the line of scrim It's just too funny.

2203
01:42:58,634 --> 01:43:01,474
Speaker 3: It's too Yeah, but who's the father of the four

2204
01:43:01,514 --> 01:43:05,554
Speaker 3: to three defense? Who's the father of the four to three? Geez,

2205
01:43:05,594 --> 01:43:08,674
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'll google it. I think that's Tom Landry,

2206
01:43:08,954 --> 01:43:13,114
Speaker 3: you think so? I think, okay, the father of the

2207
01:43:13,154 --> 01:43:15,434
Speaker 3: four to three? What was there before four to three?

2208
01:43:16,514 --> 01:43:19,034
Speaker 3: Everybody just line up? Who cares to go out there

2209
01:43:19,074 --> 01:43:21,594
Speaker 3: and right mill around at the four to six. It's

2210
01:43:21,634 --> 01:43:24,234
Speaker 3: like the NASCAR or like we call it.

2211
01:43:24,434 --> 01:43:26,794
Speaker 6: Yes, Tom Landry is credited, good Paul.

2212
01:43:27,234 --> 01:43:30,274
Speaker 5: Wow, misterio X's and O's over there.

2213
01:43:30,354 --> 01:43:31,914
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not X's and O's.

2214
01:43:32,154 --> 01:43:35,874
Speaker 6: I feel like the forty it's funny six because for

2215
01:43:36,194 --> 01:43:38,994
Speaker 6: the forty six defense is basically just cover zero, like

2216
01:43:39,074 --> 01:43:40,874
Speaker 6: we just call it the forty six defense.

2217
01:43:41,074 --> 01:43:44,514
Speaker 4: So, you know, and I never knew, and I you know,

2218
01:43:44,754 --> 01:43:47,234
Speaker 4: I learned on this show when someone called in and

2219
01:43:47,394 --> 01:43:49,634
Speaker 4: called me out on it. I always thought the four

2220
01:43:49,674 --> 01:43:51,034
Speaker 4: to six defense was an alignment.

2221
01:43:51,354 --> 01:43:53,354
Speaker 3: Oh and it was number forty six.

2222
01:43:53,514 --> 01:43:55,794
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was fensic or playing one of

2223
01:43:55,794 --> 01:43:58,274
Speaker 4: the two. I think they were forty five and forty six.

2224
01:43:58,274 --> 01:44:00,794
Speaker 4: It was whichever one of the safeties was number forty six.

2225
01:44:01,114 --> 01:44:03,754
Speaker 4: That's why Buddy Ryan called it the forty six defense. Yeah,

2226
01:44:03,754 --> 01:44:05,114
Speaker 4: and I didn't know. I never knew that.

2227
01:44:05,394 --> 01:44:07,434
Speaker 5: And so then didn't Joe Gibbs come up with like

2228
01:44:07,514 --> 01:44:09,834
Speaker 5: the full back then, like the I formation I think

2229
01:44:09,954 --> 01:44:12,834
Speaker 5: was them what was like the kryptonite for the forty

2230
01:44:12,874 --> 01:44:14,634
Speaker 5: six defense? I think that was kind of how the

2231
01:44:14,714 --> 01:44:15,474
Speaker 5: evolution went.

2232
01:44:15,634 --> 01:44:18,434
Speaker 6: Okay, So that's like how all, you know, the Fangio

2233
01:44:18,514 --> 01:44:21,594
Speaker 6: defense stuff started getting popularized as an answer to the

2234
01:44:21,594 --> 01:44:25,154
Speaker 6: Shanahan tree. So the Shanahan tree takes over the league,

2235
01:44:25,634 --> 01:44:27,234
Speaker 6: and everybody's like, how the heck?

2236
01:44:27,554 --> 01:44:31,194
Speaker 3: It is kind of fascinating the entomology of all of

2237
01:44:31,234 --> 01:44:32,034
Speaker 3: this stuff, Like.

2238
01:44:34,274 --> 01:44:37,394
Speaker 4: I like the the concepts more than the extras. And

2239
01:44:37,394 --> 01:44:41,274
Speaker 4: O's I like him saying like Fangio was the one

2240
01:44:41,274 --> 01:44:45,434
Speaker 4: that decided, you know, because now everybody sees like you're

2241
01:44:45,434 --> 01:44:48,954
Speaker 4: eliminating big plays, you're basically trying to limit the big plays.

2242
01:44:48,954 --> 01:44:51,434
Speaker 4: You're making teams go the long way with the two

2243
01:44:51,514 --> 01:44:54,314
Speaker 4: high safeties and all that other stuff. But Fangio, like

2244
01:44:54,354 --> 01:44:58,754
Speaker 4: I didn't know that, like the Fangio uh being credited

2245
01:44:58,874 --> 01:45:02,314
Speaker 4: with kind of being the one that stopped the Shanahan.

2246
01:45:02,714 --> 01:45:05,474
Speaker 3: Do you remember how teams would use that cover two

2247
01:45:06,154 --> 01:45:08,874
Speaker 3: and Brady They played Brady and he would just take

2248
01:45:08,954 --> 01:45:13,234
Speaker 3: it apart. Tampa two, Tampa Tampa two and Brady.

2249
01:45:13,034 --> 01:45:15,754
Speaker 4: Brady could have thrown for seven hundred yards on Sunday

2250
01:45:15,954 --> 01:45:18,394
Speaker 4: against the Colts. Oh yeah, that that Look, that's the

2251
01:45:18,434 --> 01:45:21,994
Speaker 4: defense that he Tampa to the tore apart with the three,

2252
01:45:22,074 --> 01:45:24,594
Speaker 4: you know, the Seattle three like he would have he

2253
01:45:24,594 --> 01:45:26,274
Speaker 4: would have killed defense falcons.

2254
01:45:26,394 --> 01:45:29,194
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't care for Tampa two.

2255
01:45:29,434 --> 01:45:30,674
Speaker 3: I don't think that was Dungee.

2256
01:45:30,794 --> 01:45:34,074
Speaker 4: You know why, like the Tampa two in theory was

2257
01:45:34,154 --> 01:45:38,874
Speaker 4: great in Tampa because you had Fred's point, Hall of

2258
01:45:38,874 --> 01:45:43,714
Speaker 4: Fame players like Derek Brooks dropping twenty five yards and

2259
01:45:44,314 --> 01:45:49,394
Speaker 4: like seamlessly covering these deep shots like how many times

2260
01:45:49,434 --> 01:45:52,674
Speaker 4: do you know this is? Please don't take this as

2261
01:45:52,714 --> 01:45:53,354
Speaker 4: a shot like.

2262
01:45:53,314 --> 01:45:54,434
Speaker 3: Jimmy's and Joe's over.

2263
01:45:55,034 --> 01:45:57,954
Speaker 4: Instead of Derek Brooks it's Johanni Tavai chasing a guy

2264
01:45:57,994 --> 01:46:00,874
Speaker 4: thirty yards downfield. The results aren't the same, right, Like

2265
01:46:00,954 --> 01:46:04,114
Speaker 4: the Tampa two was born out of Warren Sapp and

2266
01:46:04,474 --> 01:46:08,554
Speaker 4: Derek Brooks and you know all these other players, right,

2267
01:46:09,034 --> 01:46:11,954
Speaker 4: you know when they don't have those players, Wow, there's

2268
01:46:11,954 --> 01:46:14,354
Speaker 4: a lot of holes out there, right, Yeah, And Brady

2269
01:46:14,474 --> 01:46:16,914
Speaker 4: just ate that for Lue, I'm not a Tampa two.

2270
01:46:16,994 --> 01:46:19,034
Speaker 3: When when the Patriots were having well, the Patriots have

2271
01:46:19,034 --> 01:46:22,394
Speaker 3: always had trouble against Miami, especially in Miami. But back

2272
01:46:22,394 --> 01:46:25,394
Speaker 3: in the day when it was Jason Taylor and the

2273
01:46:25,034 --> 01:46:31,834
Speaker 3: linebacker Sam Madison, Sam Patrick, what the outside was that?

2274
01:46:32,314 --> 01:46:32,794
Speaker 3: What was it?

2275
01:46:32,994 --> 01:46:36,234
Speaker 4: Brady kryptonite? Brady, No, but I don't know.

2276
01:46:36,394 --> 01:46:38,194
Speaker 3: Was there a name for that Miami defense.

2277
01:46:38,794 --> 01:46:40,994
Speaker 4: I don't know, but that was that was a defense

2278
01:46:41,034 --> 01:46:42,434
Speaker 4: that Brady could not hand.

2279
01:46:42,514 --> 01:46:46,234
Speaker 3: But again, Jason Taylor on the edge, you know, the

2280
01:46:46,554 --> 01:46:50,674
Speaker 3: Zach Thomas in the middle going sidelines to sideline, Madison

2281
01:46:50,754 --> 01:46:55,434
Speaker 3: and Sirtain, it was that field owners absolutely yeah, singing.

2282
01:46:55,194 --> 01:46:58,074
Speaker 5: He tore up Pittsburgh's defense too, And watching one of

2283
01:46:58,074 --> 01:46:59,794
Speaker 5: the Hard Knocks clips from last night, they were talking

2284
01:46:59,794 --> 01:47:01,954
Speaker 5: about going against the Pittsburgh defense and how like We're

2285
01:47:01,954 --> 01:47:03,874
Speaker 5: not going to just line up and run into this.

2286
01:47:03,914 --> 01:47:05,674
Speaker 5: We've got to throw in these guys. And I just

2287
01:47:05,714 --> 01:47:07,674
Speaker 5: remember all the success Brady had against that defense.

2288
01:47:07,754 --> 01:47:10,074
Speaker 4: But that was like a Tampa two kind of scheme too,

2289
01:47:10,394 --> 01:47:11,474
Speaker 4: you know with with Tom onin.

2290
01:47:11,594 --> 01:47:13,874
Speaker 6: Yeah, they were in a lot of fire zone. You

2291
01:47:13,914 --> 01:47:15,354
Speaker 6: don't blitz Tom Brady.

2292
01:47:17,194 --> 01:47:19,834
Speaker 3: Yeah, they should make Jim Croche should make a song

2293
01:47:19,874 --> 01:47:23,074
Speaker 3: about you don't blitz Tom Brady, You don't blitz t.

2294
01:47:23,554 --> 01:47:27,354
Speaker 6: They would run like cover three firees Pittsburgh against the Patriots,

2295
01:47:27,474 --> 01:47:30,394
Speaker 6: So you're not defending the seams and then you're taking

2296
01:47:30,394 --> 01:47:32,994
Speaker 6: guys out of coverage to blitz Tom Brady and you

2297
01:47:32,994 --> 01:47:36,193
Speaker 6: have Gron going up the seam. Like really good defensive

2298
01:47:36,234 --> 01:47:38,354
Speaker 6: strategy Pittsburgh for you.

2299
01:47:38,914 --> 01:47:41,834
Speaker 3: Being Fresno rights in PFW fans will remember the day

2300
01:47:41,914 --> 01:47:44,434
Speaker 3: Kevin was left alone to justice to set the table.

2301
01:47:45,594 --> 01:47:50,074
Speaker 4: What happened there, you have to have that. I'll give

2302
01:47:50,114 --> 01:47:51,194
Speaker 4: you the backstory in a second.

2303
01:47:51,194 --> 01:47:55,714
Speaker 3: Okay, let's just set the table.

2304
01:47:58,434 --> 01:48:02,794
Speaker 4: So we would often go from the locker room or

2305
01:48:02,994 --> 01:48:07,994
Speaker 4: whatever and come down to start the show right, and

2306
01:48:08,234 --> 01:48:11,554
Speaker 4: sometimes we you know, if depending on how quickly we

2307
01:48:11,634 --> 01:48:14,034
Speaker 4: got out, it might be like eleven fifty nine. We

2308
01:48:14,154 --> 01:48:16,674
Speaker 4: get in here, it might be twelve oh one. So

2309
01:48:17,514 --> 01:48:20,434
Speaker 4: this one particular time, Fred started to get really angry

2310
01:48:21,554 --> 01:48:24,754
Speaker 4: with us not being ready to go at exactly twelve o'clock,

2311
01:48:24,754 --> 01:48:28,234
Speaker 4: which he would right. Fred doesn't get very angry very often,

2312
01:48:28,274 --> 01:48:31,194
Speaker 4: but he was right in this case, and there was

2313
01:48:31,234 --> 01:48:33,194
Speaker 4: a time that he had said, I want the show

2314
01:48:33,274 --> 01:48:36,074
Speaker 4: to start at twelve sharp. So Andy and I walk

2315
01:48:36,154 --> 01:48:40,794
Speaker 4: in like twelve oh one, and Kevin decided, I'm better

2316
01:48:40,834 --> 01:48:42,754
Speaker 4: start the show. It's twelve.

2317
01:48:43,194 --> 01:48:44,594
Speaker 3: Let's just set the table.

2318
01:48:46,434 --> 01:48:47,314
Speaker 4: And that's the result.

2319
01:48:48,354 --> 01:48:50,874
Speaker 3: Frankly, I think a Marine might have fared better that day.

2320
01:48:51,634 --> 01:48:54,994
Speaker 3: Also on the past, I actually miss something about Eric.

2321
01:48:55,034 --> 01:48:58,274
Speaker 3: When anyone from in Virginia called Eric would always mumble

2322
01:48:58,634 --> 01:49:01,114
Speaker 3: good for him. Of course he didn't know what he's

2323
01:49:01,154 --> 01:49:06,434
Speaker 3: talking about with what with his virginal charm, but it

2324
01:49:06,474 --> 01:49:09,434
Speaker 3: would be fun for someone to bring uh, to bring

2325
01:49:09,474 --> 01:49:14,194
Speaker 3: that one back. Okay, you know Virginia.

2326
01:49:15,354 --> 01:49:20,314
Speaker 4: Augusta dance in Virginia. Good for him, Good for him.

2327
01:49:20,354 --> 01:49:27,274
Speaker 3: Currently, let's see Eric Claire. Hello everyone, Hello Marine held class.

2328
01:49:27,474 --> 01:49:30,154
Speaker 3: Can I just say, uh, you know, I love the show,

2329
01:49:30,274 --> 01:49:34,434
Speaker 3: but the UNI conversations is fab I'm standing in my

2330
01:49:34,514 --> 01:49:37,554
Speaker 3: kitchen cooking and laughing out loud. I love you guys

2331
01:49:38,514 --> 01:49:42,834
Speaker 3: to people, love the uniforms, them what they want.

2332
01:49:42,874 --> 01:49:45,194
Speaker 4: Fred, you and I are in the vast minority.

2333
01:49:45,234 --> 01:49:46,994
Speaker 3: I'm gonna work on something for next season.

2334
01:49:47,474 --> 01:49:48,594
Speaker 4: You gonna put a mock up?

2335
01:49:48,794 --> 01:49:53,314
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, we talked about Travis Hunter earlier.

2336
01:49:54,754 --> 01:49:54,914
Speaker 11: Right.

2337
01:49:55,434 --> 01:49:58,634
Speaker 3: Emailer Jake writes in I could not just disagree with

2338
01:49:58,714 --> 01:50:02,194
Speaker 3: the caller saying that Travis is a mistake. More, even

2339
01:50:02,234 --> 01:50:04,234
Speaker 3: if you never touched cornerback, I think he could be

2340
01:50:04,234 --> 01:50:06,994
Speaker 3: an elite receiver. The dude has magnet hands and is

2341
01:50:06,994 --> 01:50:09,314
Speaker 3: by far the best athlete in the draft. He is

2342
01:50:09,394 --> 01:50:12,274
Speaker 3: fast as hell and can move very smoothly. Love Tech

2343
01:50:12,354 --> 01:50:14,994
Speaker 3: McMillan two, but I don't think he has much over

2344
01:50:15,034 --> 01:50:16,394
Speaker 3: Travis besides size.

2345
01:50:16,554 --> 01:50:18,514
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm with the emailer on that one. I mean,

2346
01:50:18,554 --> 01:50:21,554
Speaker 6: I watched Travis under his tape this morning, and that

2347
01:50:21,594 --> 01:50:26,074
Speaker 6: guy's special. I mean, he's he moves really well, great feet,

2348
01:50:26,194 --> 01:50:28,674
Speaker 6: like you could see the cornerback feed translate the receiver

2349
01:50:28,714 --> 01:50:30,354
Speaker 6: and translate the corner back and forth.

2350
01:50:30,434 --> 01:50:33,234
Speaker 3: And I know he's in Colorado with Deon Sanders, and

2351
01:50:33,394 --> 01:50:36,034
Speaker 3: you know, so you make that comparison at cornerback but

2352
01:50:36,114 --> 01:50:39,594
Speaker 3: he does have that knack for like seeing the play

2353
01:50:39,674 --> 01:50:43,874
Speaker 3: develop and cutting off that play in like Deon Sanders had.

2354
01:50:43,994 --> 01:50:46,474
Speaker 6: Yes, great, it was amazing sides of the ball. Like,

2355
01:50:46,754 --> 01:50:48,394
Speaker 6: I think that was the thing that imprested me the

2356
01:50:48,874 --> 01:50:52,194
Speaker 6: most was how I receiver, how good he is at

2357
01:50:52,194 --> 01:50:55,034
Speaker 6: filling out zones and stuff like that, Like I didn't

2358
01:50:55,234 --> 01:50:57,114
Speaker 6: think I thought he'd be raw, you know, I didn't

2359
01:50:57,114 --> 01:50:59,674
Speaker 6: think he would have that innate ability to sort of

2360
01:50:59,714 --> 01:51:02,634
Speaker 6: nowhere to sit down and how to find the soft spots.

2361
01:51:02,674 --> 01:51:05,194
Speaker 6: And then he obviously has a great rapport with Shador

2362
01:51:05,554 --> 01:51:07,754
Speaker 6: from playing with him for so long, so the two

2363
01:51:07,794 --> 01:51:10,354
Speaker 6: of them together just kill teams that play zone.

2364
01:51:10,554 --> 01:51:12,114
Speaker 5: What do you think Drake needs though, Like, well, that's

2365
01:51:12,154 --> 01:51:14,074
Speaker 5: that's where my brain's kind of at because I've said before,

2366
01:51:14,074 --> 01:51:16,714
Speaker 5: like I really think I want speedy line. There's something

2367
01:51:16,714 --> 01:51:18,594
Speaker 5: about well receiver in terms of receiver, like you know,

2368
01:51:18,634 --> 01:51:20,354
Speaker 5: what kind of receiver do you think fits invest in?

2369
01:51:20,434 --> 01:51:22,874
Speaker 5: Like I watched a little McMillan too, and they're just

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01:51:22,914 --> 01:51:25,234
Speaker 5: like there's a certain appeal to him now with just Side.

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01:51:25,434 --> 01:51:26,994
Speaker 5: Isn't a guy that and I know we gotten to

2372
01:51:27,074 --> 01:51:29,594
Speaker 5: kill Harry, you know those kind of like can he run,

2373
01:51:30,634 --> 01:51:33,554
Speaker 5: but still like there's something about his body type, his

2374
01:51:33,554 --> 01:51:36,114
Speaker 5: his radius of catch, like you know, he'd get downfield

2375
01:51:36,154 --> 01:51:38,274
Speaker 5: and you know come up with contested catches from Drake.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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01:51:38,594 --> 01:51:40,634
Speaker 5: I'm just that's where my brain's kind of going, Okay,

2378
01:51:40,674 --> 01:51:41,474
Speaker 5: what's the best element.

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01:51:41,634 --> 01:51:43,954
Speaker 3: Well, obviously you got to have the tools, but I

2380
01:51:43,994 --> 01:51:47,634
Speaker 3: want somebody who's also smart. Yeah, you know who get

2381
01:51:48,074 --> 01:51:50,594
Speaker 3: You know, Brady was talking about it on the Thanksgiving

2382
01:51:50,754 --> 01:51:54,714
Speaker 3: game about how he and Moss because the Moss's football

2383
01:51:54,754 --> 01:51:57,834
Speaker 3: IQ We're on the same page from day one. That's

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01:51:57,874 --> 01:51:59,194
Speaker 3: what I want somebody like that.

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01:51:59,314 --> 01:51:59,474
Speaker 26: Now.

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01:51:59,514 --> 01:52:01,754
Speaker 3: Obviously, if you can have the tools of Moss, now

2387
01:52:01,754 --> 01:52:03,834
Speaker 3: you've got a Hall of Famer. But short of that,

2388
01:52:03,994 --> 01:52:05,554
Speaker 3: just you know, someone can get open and catch the

2389
01:52:05,554 --> 01:52:08,274
Speaker 3: ball obviously, but I want somebody with that football IQ

2390
01:52:08,834 --> 01:52:11,114
Speaker 3: who can get on the same page with Drake Man

2391
01:52:11,434 --> 01:52:12,794
Speaker 3: none of my bad guy. Yeah.

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01:52:13,434 --> 01:52:16,594
Speaker 6: It's an interesting like conversation of like just types and

2393
01:52:16,594 --> 01:52:19,034
Speaker 6: stuff because like Teed McMillan is a really good fifty

2394
01:52:19,034 --> 01:52:21,794
Speaker 6: to fifty ball guy and back shoulder guy. But that's

2395
01:52:21,794 --> 01:52:23,514
Speaker 6: not like really my cup of tea. Like I like

2396
01:52:23,554 --> 01:52:27,354
Speaker 6: this either, Like that that's the thing, Like I see

2397
01:52:27,354 --> 01:52:29,794
Speaker 6: that element with him, but he doesn't really have great

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01:52:29,834 --> 01:52:32,594
Speaker 6: top end speed, so he's not running by anybody. Yeah,

2399
01:52:32,634 --> 01:52:34,914
Speaker 6: And I just worry about in this offense right now

2400
01:52:34,914 --> 01:52:38,114
Speaker 6: if you add another guy who's not really fast, and

2401
01:52:38,274 --> 01:52:39,394
Speaker 6: is it really dynamic.

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01:52:39,434 --> 01:52:41,394
Speaker 3: But here's the thing in the NFL, and you see

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01:52:41,394 --> 01:52:43,394
Speaker 3: it all the time, like you don't need to be

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01:52:43,754 --> 01:52:46,874
Speaker 3: really fast to get open quickly, Like if you have

2405
01:52:47,034 --> 01:52:50,274
Speaker 3: that good move, you know, and if you play leverage,

2406
01:52:50,594 --> 01:52:53,634
Speaker 3: you can get open NFL open, Yeah, and then it's

2407
01:52:53,714 --> 01:52:56,474
Speaker 3: up to the quarterback to anticipate that and get the

2408
01:52:56,514 --> 01:52:59,394
Speaker 3: ball on time, you know. So you don't have to

2409
01:52:59,434 --> 01:53:02,034
Speaker 3: have like burner speed to get open in the NFL

2410
01:53:02,314 --> 01:53:06,073
Speaker 3: on medium roots, I'm not you know, now long roots, Okay,

2411
01:53:06,314 --> 01:53:08,394
Speaker 3: now you need you need for four or less.

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01:53:08,554 --> 01:53:10,834
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm talking about the third level right, like the

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01:53:10,874 --> 01:53:13,314
Speaker 6: deep threat element, because right now I just feel like

2414
01:53:13,354 --> 01:53:15,474
Speaker 6: that's you know, they don't throw the ball deep and

2415
01:53:15,514 --> 01:53:17,314
Speaker 6: they have this quarterback that I can throw the ball

2416
01:53:17,394 --> 01:53:19,074
Speaker 6: sixty five yards in the air, and they just don't

2417
01:53:19,074 --> 01:53:20,994
Speaker 6: throw deep because there's nobody on the team to throw

2418
01:53:20,994 --> 01:53:23,914
Speaker 6: it deep, right, And so I just worry about adding

2419
01:53:23,994 --> 01:53:25,234
Speaker 6: more slow receivers.

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01:53:25,434 --> 01:53:26,034
Speaker 3: No, I hear you.

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01:53:26,034 --> 01:53:27,954
Speaker 5: You know to me too, I'm totally on the same

2422
01:53:27,994 --> 01:53:29,354
Speaker 5: page with you. But you know, I just I think

2423
01:53:29,354 --> 01:53:31,154
Speaker 5: about it. I consider it because it's I mean, now

2424
01:53:31,194 --> 01:53:32,754
Speaker 5: that you have Drake, you just you feel like more

2425
01:53:32,794 --> 01:53:35,594
Speaker 5: options are open and he'll make guys that maybe you

2426
01:53:35,594 --> 01:53:37,514
Speaker 5: have concerns about maybe look a little bit better. But

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01:53:37,594 --> 01:53:40,194
Speaker 5: I speed, That's what I think they need. They need

2428
01:53:40,234 --> 01:53:42,354
Speaker 5: speed on this team and that's why Hunters he had.

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01:53:42,274 --> 01:53:45,234
Speaker 3: Speed in but he wasn't a good receiver. So I'm serious,

2430
01:53:45,394 --> 01:53:49,234
Speaker 3: you know, so like it's not just speed. Yeah, Aaron's

2431
01:53:49,234 --> 01:53:50,474
Speaker 3: in Toronto. What's up? Aaron?

2432
01:53:51,914 --> 01:53:52,114
Speaker 11: Hey?

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01:53:52,154 --> 01:53:54,474
Speaker 27: Everyone, I hope you're enjoying the start of the month.

2434
01:53:54,994 --> 01:53:57,274
Speaker 27: I want to give a quick shout out to Evan

2435
01:53:57,434 --> 01:54:00,714
Speaker 27: for your after further review audio breakdown. Look forward to

2436
01:54:00,754 --> 01:54:03,754
Speaker 27: them every week. They continue to give me a better

2437
01:54:03,834 --> 01:54:07,194
Speaker 27: understanding of QB mechanics and how offense really works.

2438
01:54:07,514 --> 01:54:09,354
Speaker 3: Thank you appreciate my question though.

2439
01:54:09,834 --> 01:54:12,354
Speaker 27: Yeah, for sure. My question is with everyone wanting to

2440
01:54:12,394 --> 01:54:15,994
Speaker 27: see some designed QB runs to start getting integrated into

2441
01:54:15,994 --> 01:54:19,074
Speaker 27: the offense, what situations do you want to see them

2442
01:54:19,114 --> 01:54:21,634
Speaker 27: called in and what kind of runs in particular do

2443
01:54:21,674 --> 01:54:22,474
Speaker 27: you want to see called?

2444
01:54:22,554 --> 01:54:25,994
Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, Thanks I think they're coming. I mean

2445
01:54:26,354 --> 01:54:29,914
Speaker 3: a VPS kind of alluded that it's not off the table. Yeah.

2446
01:54:29,914 --> 01:54:32,354
Speaker 4: I think Evan said he thought there were a few

2447
01:54:32,594 --> 01:54:33,234
Speaker 4: that he ended.

2448
01:54:33,154 --> 01:54:36,554
Speaker 3: Up going, yeah, yeah, you hand it off.

2449
01:54:38,794 --> 01:54:38,954
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2450
01:54:38,954 --> 01:54:41,874
Speaker 6: I mean the shovel passes is a design run. Like

2451
01:54:41,954 --> 01:54:44,154
Speaker 6: it's an option play, right, you know, he has options

2452
01:54:44,194 --> 01:54:45,914
Speaker 6: on that play to Henry.

2453
01:54:46,034 --> 01:54:46,474
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2454
01:54:46,514 --> 01:54:49,434
Speaker 6: Yeah. So I think we're getting there. But I've been

2455
01:54:49,434 --> 01:54:51,194
Speaker 6: thinking about it a little bit. And obviously it would

2456
01:54:51,194 --> 01:54:53,274
Speaker 6: help in the red zone, it would help short yardage,

2457
01:54:53,314 --> 01:54:56,834
Speaker 6: goal line, things like that, and maybe they do incorporate that.

2458
01:54:57,074 --> 01:54:58,514
Speaker 6: I do wonder if there's a little bit of an

2459
01:54:58,514 --> 01:55:01,354
Speaker 6: element of like for three and ten and like to

2460
01:55:01,514 --> 01:55:04,034
Speaker 6: like you have keep sending them out there to run

2461
01:55:04,074 --> 01:55:06,274
Speaker 6: the ball ten times a game and get hit a bunch, like,

2462
01:55:06,714 --> 01:55:09,274
Speaker 6: you know, maybe down the line when they're competitive and

2463
01:55:09,274 --> 01:55:11,594
Speaker 6: they're in real high leverage games but.

2464
01:55:11,674 --> 01:55:13,034
Speaker 3: It really counts we need it.

2465
01:55:13,154 --> 01:55:15,354
Speaker 6: Yeah, then maybe those things start to come out a

2466
01:55:15,354 --> 01:55:18,234
Speaker 6: little bit more. Like obviously the Bills run Josh Allen,

2467
01:55:18,314 --> 01:55:19,674
Speaker 6: but like they're doing it so they can get the

2468
01:55:19,714 --> 01:55:22,514
Speaker 6: number one seed in the AFC. You know, the Patriots

2469
01:55:22,514 --> 01:55:25,594
Speaker 6: aren't really in that category yet, So I understand sides

2470
01:55:25,594 --> 01:55:25,714
Speaker 6: of it.

2471
01:55:26,594 --> 01:55:30,114
Speaker 3: Uh, one more call on the TPX outline. Todd's in

2472
01:55:30,114 --> 01:55:39,794
Speaker 3: North Carolina, Paul's favorite caller, what's up Todd? Todd? Todd's done?

2473
01:55:39,834 --> 01:55:42,674
Speaker 4: Fred hurt his feelings. That was Todd's best call ever.

2474
01:55:42,874 --> 01:55:47,314
Speaker 4: Now I heard his feeling. Oh no, why did you

2475
01:55:47,354 --> 01:55:50,234
Speaker 4: say that was mean? Do you want to be mean

2476
01:55:50,274 --> 01:55:51,434
Speaker 4: to the callers? You just do?

2477
01:55:51,834 --> 01:55:53,234
Speaker 3: I said he's your favorite caller.

2478
01:55:53,514 --> 01:55:55,554
Speaker 4: You were mean, you were mocking. You were being mocking

2479
01:55:55,594 --> 01:55:58,074
Speaker 4: with the callers. I like all of our callers, even

2480
01:55:58,114 --> 01:56:00,994
Speaker 4: the ones that disagree with me. Like that email from earlier.

2481
01:56:01,714 --> 01:56:04,834
Speaker 4: I liked that email, even though I didn't agree with it.

2482
01:56:05,034 --> 01:56:08,754
Speaker 3: It's a little combative, Yeah, a little combative, Antonio writes

2483
01:56:08,754 --> 01:56:11,874
Speaker 3: in one more email at podcasts at Patriots dot com.

2484
01:56:12,074 --> 01:56:14,194
Speaker 3: I hear a lot of people saying our offense has

2485
01:56:14,274 --> 01:56:16,994
Speaker 3: been stronger than our defense this year, but the NFL

2486
01:56:17,074 --> 01:56:20,154
Speaker 3: game has changed and winning low scoring games is becoming

2487
01:56:20,154 --> 01:56:22,154
Speaker 3: a thing of the past. He's playing on your side

2488
01:56:22,154 --> 01:56:24,554
Speaker 3: of the street ball. I say, we have the right

2489
01:56:24,634 --> 01:56:27,034
Speaker 3: quarterback for the future. So I hope we take the

2490
01:56:27,074 --> 01:56:30,274
Speaker 3: same approach as last offseason and draft a number one

2491
01:56:30,314 --> 01:56:33,594
Speaker 3: wide receiver, sign another free agent wide receiver like t

2492
01:56:33,754 --> 01:56:38,874
Speaker 3: Higgins and get that O line built up. So he's

2493
01:56:38,914 --> 01:56:39,754
Speaker 3: like offense.

2494
01:56:40,114 --> 01:56:42,434
Speaker 4: No, I don't necessarily want to go all offense, but

2495
01:56:42,474 --> 01:56:45,354
Speaker 4: I think it's more important to build the offense. That's all.

2496
01:56:45,874 --> 01:56:46,274
Speaker 3: I think.

2497
01:56:46,314 --> 01:56:48,754
Speaker 6: It's just they need more and the offense in the

2498
01:56:48,834 --> 01:56:52,154
Speaker 6: draft is Uh, it's tough this year because the class

2499
01:56:52,194 --> 01:56:54,354
Speaker 6: isn't great at the top of the draft offensively, but

2500
01:56:54,714 --> 01:56:56,914
Speaker 6: typically I would say that you can get defense in

2501
01:56:56,954 --> 01:57:00,514
Speaker 6: free agency and you get offense in the draft because defensively,

2502
01:57:00,554 --> 01:57:02,914
Speaker 6: guys do get available, come available.

2503
01:57:02,554 --> 01:57:04,194
Speaker 4: And Mike were looking at the corners, we think we

2504
01:57:04,234 --> 01:57:04,714
Speaker 4: can get one.

2505
01:57:04,794 --> 01:57:06,914
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like there's some corners like every I mean, like

2506
01:57:06,954 --> 01:57:09,554
Speaker 6: I got like Daniel Hunter Moves last year as a

2507
01:57:09,554 --> 01:57:12,194
Speaker 6: free agent pass rusher like that. That's if that is

2508
01:57:12,234 --> 01:57:15,594
Speaker 6: the receiver equivalent. That is not a guy that hits

2509
01:57:15,674 --> 01:57:18,994
Speaker 6: free agency right like a prime pass rusher, you know

2510
01:57:19,034 --> 01:57:20,874
Speaker 6: that to have a great year for Houston. So I

2511
01:57:20,914 --> 01:57:23,634
Speaker 6: do think you can have You can get defense in

2512
01:57:23,674 --> 01:57:25,954
Speaker 6: free agency. Patriots did a couple of years ago. I

2513
01:57:25,954 --> 01:57:27,674
Speaker 6: mean twenty one. You get Jude On you know, you

2514
01:57:27,674 --> 01:57:29,274
Speaker 6: get guys in here that can play defense.

2515
01:57:29,314 --> 01:57:33,114
Speaker 3: So all right, one more email John and Utah says,

2516
01:57:33,154 --> 01:57:37,434
Speaker 3: I too, am a former sports radio producer. Two compliments

2517
01:57:37,434 --> 01:57:40,194
Speaker 3: I have are that Matt is a really good sound editor,

2518
01:57:40,314 --> 01:57:42,754
Speaker 3: especially with daily highlights at the start of the show.

2519
01:57:42,994 --> 01:57:46,034
Speaker 3: And he has an appropriate amount of wit with audio drops,

2520
01:57:46,034 --> 01:57:49,714
Speaker 3: but isn't overbearing like many are. You have a great show.

2521
01:57:49,794 --> 01:57:51,834
Speaker 3: It's the only thing I listen to or watch that's

2522
01:57:51,874 --> 01:57:55,234
Speaker 3: good enough that I consume one hundred of it. I

2523
01:57:55,234 --> 01:57:57,314
Speaker 3: don't have anything else to add except it's way too

2524
01:57:57,314 --> 01:58:00,594
Speaker 3: soon for people to have final judgment on drowd Maio's performance,

2525
01:58:00,674 --> 01:58:03,434
Speaker 3: good or bad. That's kind of how I feel. But

2526
01:58:03,794 --> 01:58:07,514
Speaker 3: let's give him another year at least. All right, that's

2527
01:58:07,514 --> 01:58:10,754
Speaker 3: going to be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered

2528
01:58:11,754 --> 01:58:15,154
Speaker 3: for the crew. We'll be back tomorrow. When is Catch

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01:58:15,194 --> 01:58:19,874
Speaker 3: twenty two this season? Tomorrow, normal time, four o'clock, right after.

2530
01:58:19,834 --> 01:58:21,314
Speaker 6: Two to four, two to four.

2531
01:58:21,674 --> 01:58:22,274
Speaker 4: Lookook next.

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01:58:22,394 --> 01:58:25,154
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have the playbook today, John Rook, and the

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01:58:25,274 --> 01:58:28,674
Speaker 3: playbook is standing by to take you deep into the

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01:58:28,674 --> 01:58:29,834
Speaker 3: pages of the playbook.

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Speaker 25: Uh.

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01:58:30,594 --> 01:58:31,754
Speaker 3: But we'll be back tomorrow at noon.

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