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Speaker 1: Everybody, it's Bill Courtney. Welcome to shop Talk number fifty five.

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Speaker 1: Welcome into the shop, Welcome in Alex.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Bill.

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Speaker 1: How was a dentist?

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Speaker 2: My teeth are still here?

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Speaker 1: Are they clean?

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Speaker 2: I mean the problem is how much I like cigars,

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Speaker 2: tea and coffee. Yeah, I'm never going to have great teeth.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of a lost.

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Speaker 1: Costs dmy cavities. No. Oh, well do you get the

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Speaker 1: gold star today? Yeah. We're going to talk about a

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Speaker 1: letter that was sent to us by a listener, which

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Speaker 1: thank you, And the title of shop Talk number fifty

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Speaker 1: five is we are not what we do, we are

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Speaker 1: who we are. Right after these brief messages from our

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Speaker 1: general sponsors, all right, everybody, listener and Army member Andrew

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Speaker 1: Maui spelled m aue and we think it's Maui, but

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Speaker 1: we're going to go with Maui like Hawaii Andrew Mauie.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to read the really thoughtful letter he sent

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Speaker 1: us and then comment on it for shop Talk fifty five.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, what you're building with the Army and normal

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Speaker 1: folks is more than a podcast. It's a movement of

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Speaker 1: everyday people realizing they're equipped to make a real difference.

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Speaker 1: I'm honored to be even a small part of that. Andrew,

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Speaker 1: We're honored to have you. I'd love to offer an

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Speaker 1: idea that I could believe, that I believe could spark

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Speaker 1: meaningful conversation on a shop Talk episode, Andrew, here you go.

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Speaker 1: The concept we are not what we do. We are

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Speaker 1: who we are. So often people define themselves by their

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Speaker 1: job title or by the skills they've learned. I'm a welder,

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Speaker 1: I'm a nurse, I'm a single mom, I'm a retired vet.

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Speaker 1: With those things may describe what we do, they don't

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Speaker 1: capture the fullness of who we are. And when we

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Speaker 1: lose a job, transition out of a role, or face

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Speaker 1: the season of change, that fragile sense of identity can crumble.

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Speaker 1: But what if we help people see that their true

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Speaker 1: value comes from not what they do, but from the

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Speaker 1: core of who they are, That their character, faith, compassion, wisdom,

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Speaker 1: and even their ability to listen or love deeply, that

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Speaker 1: these are just as critical as any learned skill. I

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Speaker 1: believe that as each person in the Army begins to

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Speaker 1: understand their identity and their gifting, not just their abilities,

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Speaker 1: but the things they were uniquely designed to offer. We

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Speaker 1: become more resilient, more united, and a more powerful force

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Speaker 1: for good. When we stop seeing ours is just tools

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Speaker 1: and a system and start seeing ourselves as career carriers

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Speaker 1: of purpose. Everything changes. We lead with authenticity, We serve

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Speaker 1: without burnout. We show up not just to check a box,

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Speaker 1: but to bring light into the world around us. I

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Speaker 1: believe this message will resonate with your listeners and strengthen

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Speaker 1: the movement you've already begun. Thanks for all you do

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Speaker 1: to shine a light on the value of normal folks.

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Speaker 1: You're changing more lives than you know. Gratefully. Andrew Mawley,

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Speaker 1: who is the director of something called Reciprocal Aid Network

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Speaker 1: for Crisis and Hazards, which I assume you need to

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Speaker 1: look in to find out what that is. Alex.

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Speaker 2: I know he and I have been talking about a

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Speaker 1: Well what is it.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna put me on the spot and butcher this

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Speaker 2: all right? So he is a first responder responding natural disasters. Sorry, Andrew,

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Speaker 2: I know I'm gonna butcher this lightly. But the problem

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Speaker 2: when a lot of these disasters happen, like say, church

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Speaker 2: volunteers show up and unfortunately they're forced to turn them

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Speaker 2: away because they don't have the right certifications. So it's

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Speaker 2: actually a really cool idea of a nonprofit to train

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Speaker 2: volunteers like in advance of these disasters so that they

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Speaker 1: Train big Awl with his barbecue cooker. Yeah, so that

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Speaker 1: he could actually show up and not get turned away

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean all as example, he would convince them

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Speaker 2: through barbecue to let him through.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 2: Not ever, not everyone's going to be a persuade for

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Speaker 1: So Andrew, thanks, I do have some comment. First of all,

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Speaker 1: really deep thoughts, really good thoughts. And I do have

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Speaker 2: people say, I'm just a garbage man, you're just in there.

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Speaker 1: That's really a good point. I'm a ditch digger. I'm

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Speaker 1: just a ditch digger. I'm just a podcast producer. Oh

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Speaker 1: that's what you would say, right. But the point is

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Speaker 1: it's really well taken Andrew that too often we define

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Speaker 1: and fundamentally who we are needs to be. I'm a

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Speaker 1: person who is a welder, or I'm a welder for

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Speaker 1: a living, but I'm a father and a husband, and

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Speaker 1: I volunteer at my church or synagogue or whatever. And

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Speaker 1: I know it's a little bit of semantics with regard

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Speaker 1: to that, But the most important thing that Andrew said,

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Speaker 1: I think is if you look at it through those

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Speaker 1: when the kids go off to college and the nest

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Speaker 1: becomes empty. If you are defined by what you do

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Speaker 1: your identity. Conversely, if you identify yourself as much more

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Speaker 1: meaningful and deep things than what you do for a

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Speaker 1: the seasons of life change, you're fundamentally equipped to handle

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Speaker 1: that change. So here's my story. If I gave you

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Speaker 1: them up, they'd be about four feet high. If I said,

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Speaker 1: I want you to stand on that million dollars, and

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Speaker 1: if you can stand on it for three minutes without

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Speaker 1: You may try, but there's no way you can stand

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Speaker 1: on that. The national trophy if we take the the

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Speaker 1: whoever wins the national championship in football this year and say, listen,

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Speaker 1: next year, you're gonna win the national championship again, guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: If you can just stand on this trophy for three minutes,

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Speaker 1: or stand on this football for three minutes. You might try.

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Speaker 1: You might balance yourself for a minute, but eventually it's

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Speaker 1: gonna fall. Same thing if I put a plaque on

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Speaker 2: Before you move on. A listener emailed us exactly on

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Speaker 2: that topic the other day. It's what you bring this

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess we're about to do it. Yeah. During

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Speaker 2: From ug Hobson, Doug Hobson.

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Speaker 1: During one of your recent podcast episodes, you mentioned standing

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Speaker 1: on a stack of bills that would equal million dollars.

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Speaker 1: That brought back a great memory for me. When I

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Speaker 1: was in my late twenties. My manager at the time

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Speaker 1: shared a note attached tier you're mentioning that triggered my

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Speaker 1: idea for a shop talk. I've carried this paper photo

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Speaker 1: and when people are throwing figures of millions, bans and

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Speaker 1: the differences in each of the years we got it

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Speaker 1: up here. Okay, a million dollars tightly bound thousand dollar

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Speaker 1: bills would produce a stack four inches high. A billion

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Speaker 1: dollars tightly bound and thousand dollar bills would produce a

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Speaker 1: stack about three feet high. A trillion dollars tightly bound

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Speaker 1: sixty three miles Yeah. But here's the deal. If you

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Speaker 1: stand on fame because both literally and metaphorically, if that

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Speaker 1: That's just the truth. Likewise, if you stand on or

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Speaker 1: identified by what you do for a living, just like fame,

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Speaker 1: yourself on your ass. Conversely, if we define ourselves by commitment, character, integrity,

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Speaker 1: a legacy, finding ways to engage in our community. If

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Speaker 1: we define ourselves by those things and that's the foundation

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Speaker 1: you build your foundation on those core values and tenants,

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Speaker 1: you aren't defined by what you do, what you have,

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Speaker 1: find success for you and for those who seek to serve. So, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: your points are well taken. I think it's I think

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Speaker 1: it's a great, great shop talk topic, and I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you sending it our way. Alex, you got anything Dad.

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Speaker 2: A negative example? That's interesting. A couple of years ago,

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Speaker 2: I read this article on Michael Jordan. So when you retired,

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Speaker 2: he basically said, like I've lost all meeting in life.

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I couldn't believe that he said

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Speaker 2: in your head. But he was actually like I.

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Speaker 1: Because he was defined by basketball and a pair of tennishes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and for him to have feel like he's lost all

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Speaker 2: It also reminds me that's great Jackie Robinson quote. A

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Speaker 2: life is not important except in the impact it has

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Speaker 2: on other lives. So if you define yourself in terms

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Speaker 2: of your impact on other lives is what success is.

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Speaker 1: And that's from Jackie Robinson, who could have found himself

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Speaker 2: Or David Brooks writes about this and he calls him

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Speaker 2: the eulogy virtues. So when you get to the eulogy

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Speaker 2: at your funeral, no one's like, man, that guy was

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Speaker 2: so rich at what a great guy he really was rich?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's what do you actually want to be

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Speaker 2: praised for at your eulogy.

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Speaker 1: Actually, Bill Prest was a really good friend of mine

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Speaker 1: where I heard the quote by Albert Pike that said,

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Speaker 1: What you do for another last forever and remains immortal,

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Speaker 1: which is interesting because Bill Breasted own a business and

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Speaker 1: had lots of cess in his life. But you're right,

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Speaker 1: that's not what they talked about. They talked about a service.

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Speaker 1: So there it is. We are not what we do,

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Speaker 1: and by proxy, we are not what we've earned, and

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Speaker 1: We are who we are, and we are who we

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Speaker 1: of life. That is shop Talk number fifty five. If

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Speaker 2: And we should also add, as we mentioned last week,

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