1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:05,319 Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome back to Carol Mark Wood Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: There's been this kerfuffle on the right in the last 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: few days. Megan Kelly had a clip where she talked 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: about how conservative men don't want their women to work. 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: Let's roll that clip. 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: Here's what's happening on the right young women. And I 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: talk to young conservative women all the time about their 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,159 Speaker 2: lives and their goals and you know, the things that 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: they want. And what's happening is they can't find men 10 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: who are maybe more conservative. Usually they're looking for somebody 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: who is religious, you know, like a lot of conservative 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: women tend to be God, God loving conservatives, and they 13 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 2: can't find a lot of young men who want to 14 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: marry a working woman. Now, this is an actual problem 15 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 2: that's coming up on the right, and to me, it's 16 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: so sad because it's like, how did we get to 17 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: the point where we were now telling young conservative, amazing 18 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: women that they're not attractive if they also work. If 19 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: they choose to, let's say, do what I'm doing and 20 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: what you're doing and get their voice out there. But 21 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 2: I'll stick with me just because I think conservatives listening 22 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: to this will like the thought of another Megan Kelly 23 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: voice up and coming. Well, why wouldn't we want that? 24 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 2: Why would we take somebody who's talented in this field 25 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: and really wants to make a difference and have the 26 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,279 Speaker 2: messaging to her be you're really not that valuable unless 27 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: you give it up and go into the home and 28 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 2: only have a family and only raise a family. And 29 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: not only resenting her that message, but young men are 30 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: actually believing that. They're actually believing it, especially on the right, 31 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 2: because like the trad mom has gotten so popular and 32 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 2: it's like, no, if. 33 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: We do that, we're not going to have any strong 34 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 3: conservative or right leaning women to provide a role model 35 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 3: for younger conservative women who and there's nothing to apologize 36 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 3: for here, don't necessarily want to spend all their twenties 37 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 3: and their thirties getting married and having kids or can't 38 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 3: they just weren't able to meet somebody and definitely don't 39 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 3: need to be shamed over it. 40 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 1: I love Megan a lot, and I get what she's saying. 41 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: Don't snuff out the potential of girls to be something amazing, 42 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: And there's nothing wrong with working and having a family obviously, 43 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: And the pushback to this has come from people like 44 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: Matt Walsh who say men don't want to have a 45 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: girl boss wife. They want someone to care for them 46 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: and for the kids. And I think more than anything else, 47 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: the men don't want their kids raised by someone else 48 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: while the woman works long hours. Understandable. I think the 49 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: truth is that most people don't have jobs they super love, 50 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: and I mean men and women here. I love what 51 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: I do. I have loved it all along. I've done 52 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: it when it didn't pay a lot. But it's a 53 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: choice because I've been blessed to have an off ramp 54 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: if I want one. My husband still talks about this 55 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: magical time where I was briefly his stay at home 56 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 1: girlfriend when I had gotten laid off four months before 57 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: our wedding. He enjoyed that, of course, and I've kind 58 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: of done it all. I was a stay at home 59 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: mom after that. I owned a business in New York 60 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: City for a few years, so I worked outside the home, 61 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: and I've been a work at home mom for much 62 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: of the last decade plus. Most people don't work because 63 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: their job is so fulfilling, or they just can't get 64 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: enough of it, which kind of is my case. I 65 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: love what I do. I'm obsessed with what I do. 66 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: I do it even when I don't have to do it. 67 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: People work for the money, and it's hard to have 68 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: a family on just one income. Yes, you can make sacrifices, 69 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: but you never know what happens in life, and if 70 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: you somehow lose that one income you're relying on, it 71 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: could be very tough. But more than anything else with 72 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: this whole thing, I hear from women who are confused 73 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: at this conversation altogether. Where is this pool of men 74 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: who need their wife to stay home? They say, I 75 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: know when I was a stay at home mom. Even 76 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: moms with similar financial circumstances told me they were jealous 77 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: that my husband was okay with me staying home. It's 78 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: not such a common thing for men to be into. 79 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: And I'm sure that Megan and I have somewhat similar schedules. 80 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: I have to travel from time to time, but I'm 81 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: done by three pm nearly every day, and I'm the 82 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: one who picks up my kids from school, and I'm 83 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: there for dinner every night. It's not a typical schedule 84 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: for most working people. All of this to say we're 85 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: getting too into the weeds on this. The problem starts 86 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: that young people aren't having relationships, and it's probably not 87 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: because the men want their women to stay home and 88 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: not work. We need to focus on the big picture 89 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: and fix that first. Thanks for listening. Coming up next, 90 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: an interview with Robbie Starbuck. Join us after the break. 91 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitch Show on iHeartRadio. My 92 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: guest today is Robbie Starbuck. Robbie is a filmmaker and 93 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: conservative activist. So nice to have you on, Robbie. 94 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. 95 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: So a lot of times when somebody says that they 96 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: worked in Hollywood, it's like, you know, on some project 97 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: no one's ever heard of, and they're not really taking 98 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: any huge chances, leaving you know, their career behind. But 99 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: you worked with Smashing Pumpkins, Acon Eve. I mean people 100 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: everybody knows, everybody should know. Maybe, and then you left 101 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: it all behind to go be an activist. 102 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 4: Why you know? Maybe Yeah, I'm a little crazy, so 103 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 4: maybe you know. Yeah, I directed of scaring actors. Actually 104 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 4: some of the biggest music stars, you know, people like 105 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 4: Natalie Portman, Jamie Fox, Snoop Dogg, you know, and I 106 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 4: think I was I'm sort of an anomaly. In the 107 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 4: sense that not only did I leave Hollywood and do that, 108 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 4: but I came out at the peak of my career. 109 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 4: Versus a lot of people in Hollywood. What they do 110 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 4: is they wait until they don't Yeah, they wait until 111 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 4: they don't have jobs anymore, you know, and they're like, okay, yeah, 112 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 4: actually I'm a Republican. You know. For me, it's fairly 113 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 4: simple though. My family came from Cuba and they lost 114 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 4: everything to communism, and so probably the most important figure 115 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 4: in my life was my great grandfather, Raphael, and I 116 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 4: was called him Peyo, that was his name, And you know, 117 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 4: I remember very distinctly some talks we'd had about how 118 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 4: Marxism and you know, Castro rose to power in Cuba, 119 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 4: and how things happened, what were the warning signs, and essentially, 120 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 4: you know, I'd always made the promise to him that, 121 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 4: no matter what the cost, I would stand up if 122 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 4: that same sort of thing was ever happening in America, 123 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 4: because we both agreed America was the last stand for freedom, 124 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 4: that if the same thing happens here, that was it, 125 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 4: you know, at least for one hundred years, or there's 126 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 4: nowhere else to run to. I mean, Ronald Reagan used 127 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 4: to tell this story about a Cuban refugee where he's 128 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 4: talking to two businessmen and the businessmen are like, I'm 129 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 4: so sorry, you know, we're so lucky, and the business 130 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 4: and the Cuban started laughing at them and they couldn't 131 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 4: understand why and why are you laughing? And He's like, 132 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 4: I'm not the lucky one, or you're not the lucky ones. 133 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 4: I am because I had somewhere to go to. You 134 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 4: don't have anywhere to run to if it happens to you, 135 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 4: you know, and it's it's the truth, you know. So 136 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 4: I knew in that world, you know, I wasn't going 137 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 4: to be like some total savior or something like that 138 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 4: that was going to just change the dynamics of the industry. 139 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 4: But I knew that if I came out and I 140 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 4: was honest about where I stood on things, that it 141 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 4: would make it a little bit easier for the next person. 142 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 4: And beyond that, also, it moves the needle of social acceptability, 143 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 4: and you know how you can converse about these things. 144 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 4: And I knew what the cost would be. I don't 145 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 4: pretend otherwise, like, well, no, they didn't take it well. 146 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 4: And I'm not one of those people that's going to 147 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 4: pretend I didn't know I was going to get blacklisted. 148 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 4: I knew what was going to happen, and it happened 149 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 4: pretty much overnight. I mean, we had some massive contracts 150 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 4: at the time. We didn't just do no. I wasn't 151 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 4: just a director. I owned a production company that had 152 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 4: some huge clients, like Paramount Pictures, where we did a 153 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 4: lot of pre auction for them that people don't realize 154 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 4: o their companies do. And so we had managed quite 155 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 4: a few really big projects from the Terminator movies, Transformer films, 156 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 4: things along those lines, and pretty much overnight everything stopped 157 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 4: because of ME coming out and endorsing Trump in twenty fifteen. 158 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 4: And you know, it took a little while for some people, 159 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 4: but eventually me talking about politics enough pushed everybody off. 160 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 4: Which is sort of interesting, you know, because if I 161 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 4: had been doing it the opposite direction, I would I'd 162 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 4: probably have an oscar right now, you know. But that 163 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 4: was actually kind of the funny thing is I never 164 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 4: fit in Hollywood, and I think that was actually part 165 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 4: of the reason I was successful, is because I was 166 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 4: sort of an anomaly in the sense that I never 167 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 4: went to any of the parties. Even when I was 168 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 4: up for major awards like at the MTV VMAs and 169 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 4: stuff like that, I never went. I never went and 170 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 4: accepted awards that I won. I didn't believe in it. 171 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 4: I thought the whole thing was kind of disgusting and 172 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 4: we have real problems, and I think the you know, 173 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 4: self congratulate bs at these award shows is honestly kind 174 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 4: of sickening. So, you know, I never was quite a fit. 175 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 4: But that's at least a little bit of an explanation 176 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 4: why I came out and was honest about my politics. 177 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: So you don't feel any bitterness about that, about being 178 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: blacklisted in Hollywood and not getting to do the work 179 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: that you were doing. 180 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 4: I'm just not a terribly bitter person, you know. I 181 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 4: don't get too high or low. I'm very analytical and reasonable, 182 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 4: and I knew what would happen, so I didn't go 183 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 4: into like the emotional state of oh, how does this 184 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 4: make me feel? It was more so a reality. You know, 185 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 4: you deal with it, you move on, you adjust, and 186 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 4: in many ways, I'm thankful it all happen the way 187 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 4: that it did because one amazing thing that I got 188 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 4: to experience, and most people will never get to experience that. 189 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 4: I would say, outsider looking in It's one of those 190 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 4: like glass half fool things. You know, you kind of 191 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 4: have to decide how you see it. Some people would 192 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 4: be heartbroken by what happened with friendships, you know, they'd 193 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 4: be like, oh my gosh, I want all these friends 194 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 4: for me. I consider it the most beautiful gift I 195 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 4: could ever be given and be on my way of 196 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 4: my kids. It was like this clarity of you really 197 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 4: know who your friends are, and it's just like in 198 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 4: an instant it becomes so clear because I think for 199 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 4: a lot of people, you know, they think they have 200 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 4: all these friends. And again another lesson from my great grandfather. 201 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 4: He told me when I was very young. He said, 202 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 4: you'll understand this someday, but if when you die you 203 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 4: have enough friends to fill up one full hand, you 204 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 4: are a very very lucky man. And you know, I 205 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 4: thought I had all these friends, and then you know, 206 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 4: I come out and find out you know essentially that 207 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 4: if you're you know, sort of accused even of wrong think, 208 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 4: you can lose them overnight, right, And so that clarity 209 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 4: is a really wonderful thing, and that's something I'm very 210 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 4: thankful for that. It happened to me. 211 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: I think your children are small, but are you going 212 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: to tell them the stories like about losing friends and 213 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: how that's actually a gift and you know, don't don't 214 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: take it so hard. If you do the right thing 215 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 1: and you lose friends, that that's just the way it goes. 216 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 4: So I have I have four kids with my wife, 217 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 4: and our oldest is actually so she's she's close to 218 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 4: she's close dad at the house. I mean, we're we're 219 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 4: looking at colleges and stuff, and she's real, she's a 220 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 4: smart cookie. We're so lucky. But in the respect of 221 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 4: her and our oldest son, he's twelve, they both got 222 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 4: to experience a lot of this themselves. You know, our 223 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 4: daughter lost friends when I came out as conservative, where 224 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 4: like their parents told them, you can't hang out with 225 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 4: them anymore because their parents are you know this that 226 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 4: or the other thing. I mean, I say, whether they 227 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 4: were calling me a racist or whatever, which was so 228 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 4: funny because they're all white liberals, right, and my family's Latino. 229 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 4: They're chief. The chief complaints seemed to be that I 230 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 4: backed the immigration policy of Trump, and if not only 231 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 4: back I'm actually I would say to the right of 232 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 4: Trump on immigration in the sense that you know, I'm Latino. 233 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 4: I understand very clearly what is happening on our border. 234 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 4: I understand the dangers involved. And I will say, what 235 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 4: we just saw happen in the last twenty four hours 236 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 4: with El Salvador is a lot more of what it 237 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 4: would look like in my world, you know, but for 238 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 4: everybody involved, and it would send a very clear message 239 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 4: and we would no longer have a legal immigration anymore. 240 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 4: I think Trump is eminently reasonable when it comes when 241 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 4: it comes to immigration. And so it's kind of funny. 242 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 4: That was their chief complaint about me. You know, it's like, oh, 243 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 4: you're the racist, right, It's you know, it's kind of funny. 244 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 4: But yeah, no, they got to experience it, so they know, right, 245 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 4: they know all of the pitfalls here. They're very intelligent 246 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 4: and wise beyond their years. Our younger ones will definitely 247 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 4: explain it to because we have an eight year old 248 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 4: and then we have a newborn as well, and you know, 249 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 4: it's interesting. The newborn is going to have a very 250 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 4: very different upbringing than the rest of them because he's 251 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 4: coming in at a very different time. He'll never know 252 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 4: his dad is like you know, super creative, you know, person, 253 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 4: it's going to be something very different. I mean, I'm 254 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 4: sure he'll know I'm creative in some sense, but it'll 255 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 4: be different, you know. So definitely lots of stories, but 256 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 4: I would say, you know what, they'll get more stories about, 257 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 4: like what our family went through in Cuba, because that's 258 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 4: something that generationally, you want to make the DNA of 259 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 4: your kids because you want them to be you know, 260 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 4: the defense mechanism against it ever happening again. It's so hard. 261 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I was born in the Soviet Union, so 262 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: I have a very kind of similar story. But it's 263 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: so hard because these kids, they you know, we live 264 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: in Florida now, so it's actually already a little better 265 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: for them. 266 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 4: We lived in New York. 267 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: I was able to kind of draw the parallels and say, look, 268 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: you know what happened in my family in the Soviet Union, 269 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: Look how easily it could happen during COVID in New York. 270 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: But in Florida they lived this like magical free life 271 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: where you know, in New York, I had them like 272 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: not tell people what I do for a living in Florida, 273 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, tell everybody, I don't care, but you know, 274 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: they still run into some resistance sometimes. My twelve year 275 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: old son is arguing with girls at a school because 276 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: he's a big Elon Musk fan, and they're like, Elon's 277 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: a racist, and you know how why do you like him? 278 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: And my son's like really into like technology and science 279 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: and he's like, Elon's a genius. Yeah, but you know they're. 280 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 4: Going to have to you know, what's you know, what's 281 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 4: funny is like seeing I will say this, it's very 282 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 4: interesting with my oldest daughter, who's sixteen. When she was younger, 283 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 4: she was absolutely the outcast when it came to politics 284 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 4: because she was always your. 285 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: Friend, right in your family, Oh yeah, in. 286 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 4: Her pure in her pure group, the entire peer group 287 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 4: was very either afraid of politics or they had sort 288 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 4: of accepted hook line and sinkly the left wing you 289 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 4: know ideology. Now today almost I think honestly every friend 290 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 4: of hers is extremely to the right, you know, if 291 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 4: not at least a center right person, but most of 292 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 4: them are on the same page of like they're full, 293 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 4: full bore on board with the magage and you know, 294 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 4: which is so different from just you know, eight years ago. 295 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 4: And I think it's that young people had a couple 296 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 4: of things happened. Number one, COVID. They had to experience 297 00:14:55,640 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 4: the totalitarian control of largely Democrats and experiencing the failures. 298 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, nothing made sense and it was illogical at 299 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 4: every step of the way. And then they had to 300 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 4: experience the Biden administration's failures when it came to just 301 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 4: how you live in a normal life. These kids are 302 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 4: coming up realizing, oh my gosh, we're going to be 303 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 4: saddled with all this debt. Am I ever going to 304 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 4: be able to own a home? You know? What are 305 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 4: these things that should be stabilizing forces in my life? 306 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 4: And they're not around anymore, and they're realizing the failures 307 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 4: of policy. The other thing, too, is kids are getting 308 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 4: smarter than we give them credit for. They have total 309 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 4: access to all information, and it's much harder to lie 310 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 4: to these kids today than it was, you know, twenty 311 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 4: years ago about politics because they have everything at their 312 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 4: fingertips and they can go and they can question you. 313 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 4: And what are teenagers and young people in college really 314 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 4: great at questioning authority? So they're going to go and 315 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 4: question it exactly. And the other thing we have going 316 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 4: for us is the rebellious spirit of maga right, the 317 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 4: rebellious spirit of America. First, when you have all these 318 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 4: like overgrown hall monitors who are your teachers in school, 319 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 4: and they're all harping on about pronouns and you know, 320 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 4: all this ridiculous stuff, what is your average, especially young male, 321 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 4: going to do. They're going to rebel against it. And so, 322 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 4: in some beautiful way, the left took it so far 323 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 4: with the indoctrination in school so that they actually created 324 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 4: a monster and helped hand us these young men who 325 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 4: you know, in their eyes, I'm saying monster. In reality, 326 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 4: what they've made is free thinking young people who are 327 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 4: going no, we don't want to be a part of 328 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,359 Speaker 4: this control mechanism, a part of this system of indoctrination. 329 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 4: We're going to think for ourselves. And they've adopted, I 330 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 4: would say, you know, really great political values at this 331 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 4: at this stage. And so we have a job to do. Obviously, 332 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 4: we can't fail these young people. But if we don't 333 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 4: fail them, and we actually do a good job, I 334 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 4: think we're going to see a very different electorate in 335 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 4: the coming years. 336 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: So I met you for the first time recently, and 337 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: I told you that I think that you're you've really 338 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: found your calling, and you know, as I was getting 339 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: ready for this interview, I was googling you and like, 340 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, looking up stuff that I wanted to discuss. 341 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: But you know, a lot of the articles about you 342 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: say that you target companies to you know, stop them 343 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: from having diversity and that kind of thing where I think, 344 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: you know, you help companies that have leaned too far 345 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: into the woke world, probably are hurting their bottom lines 346 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: and are being you know, catered, They cater to like 347 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: the Human Rights Campaign, which is obviously a far left 348 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: special interest group which uses their corporate index to equity 349 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: index to get companies to do what they want, and 350 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: you sort of help them find their way back to sanity. 351 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: How did you get into that and what's that like? 352 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's interesting kind of goes back to 353 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 4: the first answer about why I came out politically, you know, 354 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 4: with my my great grandfather. You know, what was happening 355 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 4: with THEI. It was essentially a trojan horse for very 356 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 4: far left politics, and the people who are running these 357 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 4: DEI programs are left wing activists, and so recognizing that 358 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 4: it's one of those signs, you know that I was 359 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 4: talking about earlier that things can go terribly wrong, very quickly. 360 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 4: It's why Elon Musk has spoken up of this and 361 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 4: the President's spoken of about this, because it's it's not that, 362 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 4: you know, including one another is just a bad thing. 363 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 4: That's that's not the sense that anybody gets. It's not 364 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 4: the argument I'm making. It's that DEI in itself, the 365 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 4: actual ideology is poisoned by left wing politics, and none 366 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 4: of it means what it purports to mean. And everybody's 367 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 4: pretty clear on that now because they've experienced it a 368 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 4: lot like what I was talking about with young people, 369 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 4: why they've shifted right. They experienced the opposite, They experienced 370 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 4: the thing, and now they're going in the other direction. Well, 371 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 4: same thing with adults in the workplace. They experienced DEI, 372 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 4: and how many of them are going in a different 373 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 4: direction because they saw how divisive it truly was and 374 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 4: how discriminatory it turned out to be. And so for me, 375 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 4: I saw, you know, really an opportunity with the following 376 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 4: I had to make a difference. And that's how it started. 377 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 4: As I said, I think we can make a difference 378 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 4: on this front and tear away some really you know, 379 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 4: divisive racist policy. You know, if we make enough noise 380 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 4: and make people aware of what's going on. And ultimately, yeah, 381 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 4: we were very successful and happened very successful at it. 382 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 4: I think that, you know, my life has given me 383 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 4: a lot of different unique tools and I sort of 384 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 4: fused them all together for this, you know, And so 385 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 4: it's unique and I think it's it's doing a lot 386 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 4: of good, you know, because if you think about it now, 387 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 4: eight months, I guess we're nine months later after we 388 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 4: started this campaign. Dozens of companies have changed their policies 389 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 4: because of us, wiped out all the woke stuff. And 390 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 4: so we're talking about millions and millions of workers in 391 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 4: America who get to go to work and not have 392 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 4: politics injected, not have all of these divisions injected, not 393 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 4: have to worry that their race is going to stop 394 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 4: them from getting promoted. Everybody being treated fairly and you know, 395 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 4: decisions made on merit and that's the way it should be, right. 396 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 4: And the companies that we've helped do this, they've actually 397 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 4: performed better in the marketplace. They're doing great with their values. 398 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 4: And so the exact opposite of what the left wing 399 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 4: media tried to tell us the last decade. If you 400 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 4: stray away from this, you're gonna go bankrupt. Well, actually 401 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 4: it's the companies that embrace DEI that are going bankrupt, 402 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 4: you know, Like today it was Forever twenty one just 403 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 4: declared bankruptcy, a company that had fully embraced DEI. In fact, 404 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 4: they're head of DEI. Had even admitted to a Fortune 405 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 4: or reporter that essentially, you know, there's a quote that 406 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 4: what they were doing wasn't quite legal. And you know, 407 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 4: it's it's interesting to see how these companies that are 408 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 4: going down so often. If you see a chapter eleven announcement, 409 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 4: you can just go in Google search that company name 410 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 4: plus diversity, Equity Inclusion and you will see they had 411 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 4: a DEI. That interesting. Yeah, it's interesting, and I have 412 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 4: not found a case otherwise in recent history. 413 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: Amazing. We're going to take a quick break and be 414 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: right back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What do you 415 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: worry about? 416 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 4: You know what's interesting? Like I think I'm actually extremely normal, 417 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 4: you know, I just worry about the normal dad stuff, 418 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 4: you know, like I worry about my kids getting hurt. 419 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 4: You know, I worry. I have a sixteen year old, 420 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 4: so I worry that once she starts dating, she'll get 421 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 4: her heartbroken. You know, I worry like our young one 422 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 4: who just learned how to ride a bicycle is going 423 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 4: to get her knees scraped and stuff, like the normal worries. 424 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 4: But you know, there are also the types of things 425 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 4: where I know they have to happen. It's like it's 426 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 4: growth takes pain sometimes, right, So if I protect my 427 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 4: little one from ever getting her knees scraped on a bike, 428 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 4: is she going to ultimately learn certain things to keep 429 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 4: herself safe. It's going to be much harder for her 430 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,239 Speaker 4: to learn them, right, And you try to teach them, 431 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:39,479 Speaker 4: You try to tell them the right thing to do. 432 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 4: But if they if they ignore it five times in 433 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 4: a row and then they go and they get their 434 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 4: knees scraped, what are you going to do? Like they 435 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 4: learn from that. Right, my oldest daughter, as much as 436 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 4: I never want her to go and date and get 437 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 4: her heartbroken, you know that that's kind of a rite 438 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,719 Speaker 4: of passage for everybody. People get their hearts broken and 439 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 4: you learn from it. And you know, so that's the 440 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 4: stuff I worry about, is dad's stuff. When it comes 441 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 4: to the politics of the world, I've learned that worry 442 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 4: gets you know where, and you're much better off planning 443 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 4: and having you know, very clear, concise direction that you're 444 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 4: wanting to go and that you need to execute very clearly, 445 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 4: and to execute clearly, you can't be clouded by emotions. 446 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 4: And so I'd say that's that's the truth. Politically, I 447 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 4: don't allow myself to get fearful or you know, anxiety ridden. 448 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: About any last four years were an anxiety ridden? 449 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 4: You know, honestly, I didn't. I didn't let myself get 450 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 4: like that. I mean, it's hard to explain to how, 451 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 4: you know, I think a unique ability to turn off 452 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 4: some of those subsets of emotions and just focus on 453 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 4: the actual problem and how you fix it and how 454 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 4: can you be a part of changing things. And so 455 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 4: that's where I tried to gravitate towards. I will say 456 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 4: there were moments during the four years of Biden administration 457 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 4: where I did get very angry. I did. There were 458 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 4: certain things that happened, you know, where I just you 459 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 4: can't help but get angry. When Lake and Riley was murdered, 460 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 4: you know, I thought about my own daughter, you know, 461 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 4: that's headed to college, you know, not not long in 462 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 4: the future, because she's graduating early too. From school. So 463 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 4: she's she's just brilliant kid. And you know, as a dad, 464 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 4: like you see that girl, I saw my own daughter, 465 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 4: you know, and so I see a country that's not 466 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 4: protecting the kids who matter the most, you know, our future, 467 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 4: and we're not protecting them from violent criminals, Like who 468 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 4: are we? You know? So there were moments like that 469 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 4: where I got very very angry, But in general, like 470 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 4: day to day anxiety, it gets you nowhere. You know, 471 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 4: even in a situation like that, you just need to 472 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 4: be focused on how to create change. And that's my 473 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 4: mindset has always been wake up every day and get 474 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 4: a w no matter how small it is, Like, get 475 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 4: some kind of win, even if it's tiny, advance the ball. 476 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: Love it. What advice would you give your sixteen year 477 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: old self. 478 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 4: Hold fast and work, you know, work hard. I think 479 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 4: that's the thing. When you're sixteen, it's very easy to see, 480 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 4: you know that things in front of you are not 481 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 4: working out, and to give up. It's very easy to 482 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 4: give up at sixteen, it's very easy to give up 483 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 4: at seventeen, eighteen, nineteen twenty. And the thing that you've 484 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 4: got to realize if you're at that age is that 485 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 4: it's not the end. It really does actually get better, 486 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 4: and you need to just put down your head and work, 487 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 4: do the work. Don't give up. You know, every successful 488 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 4: person is defined by their failures. And I mean that 489 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 4: to say, like, I've failed ninety five percent of the 490 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 4: time in my life at things that I tried to do, 491 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 4: and I've okay, it doesn't it doesn't seem like it 492 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 4: because I've been incredibly successful at five percent of it. 493 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 4: And that five percent that I've been incredibly successful at 494 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 4: in the end, I only got there because I never 495 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 4: gave up during the ninety five percent of the time 496 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,239 Speaker 4: that I failed. And a lot of people give up 497 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 4: along the way, and they'll say it's too hard, the 498 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 4: system's rigged against me, whatever it is, right, The truth 499 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 4: is there were people more talented than me. There's people 500 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 4: smarter than me. There's people who have many different things 501 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 4: where they're just better at that thing than I am. 502 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 4: The thing that I always beat them at was that 503 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 4: I didn't give up and that I will stay on it. 504 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 4: One way, it's been described to me as I'm like 505 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 4: a dog with a bone, just I'm relentless, and so 506 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 4: I would tell young people be relentless you know, don't 507 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 4: give up at the first sign of failure, Like failure 508 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 4: is just a symptom of succeeding. You just have to continue, continue, continue, 509 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,479 Speaker 4: until you get there. And almost every great thing that 510 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 4: our country has achieved comes with sort of that same math, 511 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 4: where a ninety five percent failure rate, you finally succeed 512 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 4: and everybody only remembers the success, but you, personally, if 513 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 4: you're the person behind it, you remember the failure because 514 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 4: had you not gone through it, and had you not 515 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 4: given up, you know, you wouldn't have ever gotten to 516 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 4: the success. And so I think that's probably the thing 517 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 4: that separates exceptional outcomes from very average outcomes or bad 518 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 4: outcomes is not giving up and persevering and being relentless. 519 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: I love that. 520 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 4: Well. 521 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: I ask all of my guests to leave us with something, 522 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: that piece of advice that they could offer my listeners 523 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: on how they can improve their lives. What do you got, 524 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you just gave us a lot. 525 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 4: So yeah, I just I gave a little bit of 526 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 4: therapy session. You know what, Actually I do have one. 527 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 4: This is probably the single most important thing to me. 528 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 4: It's actually something I'm planning on making a video about 529 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 4: to talk more and expand on. But essentially we have 530 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 4: a problem with people being overly emotional on society and 531 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 4: making their decisions out of an emotional place. It's the 532 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 4: reason why the mainstream media like Huffington Post and I 533 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 4: won't even call the mainstream, they have such a low 534 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 4: readership at this point, but their legacy media, right like 535 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 4: Huffington Post, New York Times did this. A number of 536 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 4: other papers did this. They ran with these headlines saying 537 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 4: Elon Musk denies, Hitler killed millions and so why did 538 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 4: they run those headlines? Why did they run those headlines? 539 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 4: They ran them because they could technically get away with it, 540 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 4: And it was because he actually posted something that was 541 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 4: pointing out that Hitler and Mao and Stalin didn't personally 542 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 4: go out there and kill millions people each. He was 543 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 4: pointing out that when you have a fully adherent public 544 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 4: sector that all believe one ideology, it can be incredibly 545 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 4: dangerous because they're the ones who were willing to carry 546 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 4: out the evil, murderous plans of people like Stalin Hitler. Now, 547 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 4: and that's what he was pointing out, But the media 548 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 4: doesn't want your average scroller to know the context behind 549 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 4: what he's saying. Instead, they want you to scroll by 550 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 4: and believe that Elon Musk is Hitler, or he's a 551 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 4: Nazi and he loves Hitler and he's excusing the Holocaust. 552 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 4: That's what they want people to believe. And so the 553 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 4: truth is, how do you get there to that belief? 554 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 4: Because you have those friends in your life who believe 555 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 4: those things that they scroll past with these headlines that 556 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 4: are just fully a farce, And the truth is they 557 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 4: get there through being overly emotional. We need a society 558 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 4: that is reasonable, and when you get too high or 559 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 4: too low emotionally, we need to remind people to take 560 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 4: that eagle eye view, pull out, look at it as 561 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 4: an unbiased observer. The best way that you can possibly 562 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 4: do and ask yourself, is it really this bad or 563 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 4: is it really this good? Whatever it might be, however 564 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 4: high or low you are, but ask yourself a series 565 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 4: of questions to figure out if you're really making good 566 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 4: decisions or if you're really being fair to the people 567 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 4: that you're judging. I think that's something that societally, if 568 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 4: we want to decrease division and we want a more 569 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 4: intelligent society, better outcomes for our kids, we're going to 570 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 4: decrease the amount of decisions that are made with emotion 571 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 4: and increase rapidly the amount of decisions that are made 572 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 4: with pure reason. And that's probably the thing that I 573 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 4: would tell everybody to kind of take a moment and 574 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 4: look in the mirror and examine their own life and 575 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 4: how many of their you know, decisions are making out 576 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 4: of pure emotion. You know, I've seen so many relationships 577 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 4: break up over this too. My wife and I are 578 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 4: blessed to be married seventeen years, and I think a 579 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 4: big reason that we have such a great marriage is 580 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 4: because we approach any problem we have very rationally, Like 581 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 4: you'll never catch me and my wife being, like, you know, 582 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 4: screaming about an issue like that's not how you solve problems. So, 583 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 4: like I guess, to pin this all down, it's that 584 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 4: we have to remind ourselves to be the adults in 585 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 4: the room and to look at things very objectively and 586 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 4: work on that. For the overly emotional people, work on it, 587 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 4: try to work on having a more balanced response to things, 588 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 4: because your emotionality, if you look at your life, I 589 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 4: want to ask you where has it gotten you? Has 590 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 4: it gotten you anywhere positive? Or has it only led 591 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 4: to negative outcomes. When you look at the totality of 592 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 4: your life, you're going to trend negative. I guarantee you 593 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 4: if you're an overly emotional person, which means that if 594 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 4: that's the sense you get, you examine your life and 595 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 4: you go, oh, yeah, it's brought me mostly negative outcomes. 596 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 4: I'm sure there's a few positive, right, but brought you 597 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 4: mostly negative ones. You need to look at that, miror 598 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 4: and go, Okay, it's time to do that work, to 599 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 4: peel back you know, all this and get to a 600 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 4: better place. 601 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: I love that he is. Robbie Starbuck, thank you so 602 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: much for coming on. We'll check out that video. I 603 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: actually needed to hear that today more than you would know. 604 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Robbie, thank you, thanks so much 605 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: for joining us on the Carol Marcowitch Show. Subscribe wherever 606 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts.