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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Histories, a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much for

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Speaker 1: tuning in. Let's hear it from the man the myth

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Speaker 1: Legend super producer, mister Max Williams ye hus up charging

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Speaker 1: blindly into the episode. We are joined, of course, with

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Speaker 1: your host mister Noel Brown and mister Ben Bollen going

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Speaker 1: by that name these days. Look, folks, this is what

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Speaker 1: are Pal Max called a little bit bittersweet. It's not

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Speaker 1: goodbye forever, but it is goodbye for now. This is

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Speaker 1: our fifth episode on ridiculous Royal Deaths.

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Speaker 2: It's not an ending, it's a new beginning. Speaking of

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Speaker 2: new beginnings, let's properly begin this episode again after this

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Speaker 2: cold open.

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Speaker 1: And we've returned, so folks, let's get going. There are

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Speaker 1: a lot of ridiculous royal deaths. We want to, as

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Speaker 1: always at the very top here tell you that some

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Speaker 1: of this is going to sound ghoulish, some of it

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Speaker 1: is going to be gory. We are talking about death.

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Speaker 1: It's also important, tru remember that during these respective time

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Speaker 1: periods there were many many people who met with unfortunate

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Speaker 1: or ridiculous deaths. We tend to know more about royal

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Speaker 1: deaths because there's simply more documentation about those folks. This

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Speaker 1: is where we get to one of the many King

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Speaker 1: John's and Max as our research associate for today, this

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Speaker 1: is one you've had in your back pocket for a while.

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Speaker 1: You wanted to save it for our big closer episode.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, like you know, we've had, in my opinions,

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Speaker 3: you know, we've had some pretty good ones. I think,

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Speaker 2: Got stabbed in.

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Speaker 3: But let's see we uh, the first one really one

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Speaker 3: who started the whole series, the Swish king who ate

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Speaker 3: himself to death was great. But I honestly think this

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Speaker 2: I love it, and thank you Max for saving the

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Speaker 2: best for last. Who does love it?

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Speaker 1: I feel like there have been a couple versions there have.

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Speaker 2: But is it sometimes the sun goes around the moon? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, schmamps, good old nineties schmaltz. So let's charge

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Speaker 2: blindly into battle with our buddy King John. Of course,

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Speaker 2: battle while blind bump bum. That's pretty badass, guys, yeah,

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Speaker 2: or stupid or a fine line between badass and stupid, right.

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Speaker 1: Right, And we're not being ablest. King John, This specific

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Speaker 1: King John is the King John of Bohemia from let's

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Speaker 1: say twelve ninety six to thirteen forty six. He wasn't

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Speaker 1: He was born sighted, but he got the not particularly

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Speaker 1: in thirteen thirty six, so he lived a full decade

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Speaker 1: We're talking from the Baltic to the Mediterranean. He becomes

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Speaker 2: That's right. There are some nepo situations historically speaking, and

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Speaker 1: And many other things happened. Without getting into the weeds,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again he has lost his sight. He has

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Speaker 1: Because it's very important to me and to my people

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Speaker 1: You know, this is not a democracy. Nobody gets to vote.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and as you can imagine from the title

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you can't really say no to the king,

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Speaker 2: like you said, Ben, I mean, it's unfortunately goes along

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Speaker 1: That's that's the issue. And there's this is one ridiculous

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Speaker 2: Here is.

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Speaker 1: Here's a crazy one. Noel, have you ever heard of Draco?

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Speaker 1: Late library book execution. Yes, did you get caught p

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Speaker 1: I mean, Blake, here's hoping we never get in that

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Speaker 1: we are talking about how he passed away. He died

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Speaker 1: around six hundred BCE because people through clothing at him.

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Speaker 1: True story, not stoning, not where you throw according.

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Speaker 1: Sure, the idea is that people threw so many hats

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Speaker 1: there aren't a ton of super like super universally agreeing

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Speaker 1: if this is at all true, royal death by pop

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Speaker 3: I actually found owned an article because see, some of

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Speaker 3: But I found one work that said the Draco was

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Speaker 3: of appreciation for his laws. And then everything else I've

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Speaker 2: in vinegar. So they had a big old barrel of

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Speaker 2: vinegar that they shoved his body into. Oh and it

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Speaker 2: made him into a human pickle.

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Speaker 1: Classy, classy.

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Speaker 2: I don't care for pickles that much on their own.

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Speaker 2: I like him on a sandwich every now and again.

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Speaker 1: I remember when one of the last times, no several

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Speaker 1: years ago, I was in New York and you see

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00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: these restaurant trends move as the single wave, and this

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Speaker 1: was the era of high pickle in New York, and

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Speaker 1: no matter where you went, people were pushing me hard

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Speaker 1: for these housemade pickles, to the point where, you know,

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Speaker 1: it was like a Larry David thing. I felt awkward

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Speaker 1: not trying to pickle because everybody would talk about it

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Speaker 1: in these conspiratorial tones.

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Speaker 2: Oh you gotta try the pickle. Then the bread and

448
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: butter pickle is to die for. Welcome insert name here

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Speaker 2: in Brooklyn artisanally hand crafted pickles.

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Speaker 1: You must try our pickles. Yes, we named the cucumbers

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Speaker 1: and raised them anyway.

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Speaker 2: Uh Man, it took me a while to come around

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Speaker 2: to pickles. I'm still not all the way there, but

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Speaker 2: I like it chuttany, and I like certain pickled things

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Speaker 2: like I love the banchon that comes with like curry,

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Speaker 2: barbecue and things like that, and certain like pickled the quick,

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Speaker 2: pickled vegetables. But I don't know a pickle pickle like

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Speaker 2: a dill pickle, a kosher I just I've never had

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Speaker 2: a taste for it. I do, like I said, like

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Speaker 2: them pickle chips like on a burger. But that's really

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Speaker 2: the only way I did it. I don't really like

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Speaker 2: to eat them. Would you need a pickle? Would you

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Speaker 2: eat pickled human flesh? Pickle human flesh? Absolutely, I'd try

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Speaker 2: it once.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: That was not their goal here, Ben, They were not

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Speaker 2: pickling Frederick with the intent of consuming his his pickli flesh. No,

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Speaker 2: they were trying to. They were trying to, you know,

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Speaker 2: they were.

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Speaker 1: Trying to do him a solid m It was not

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Speaker 1: the first there was. There were several other historical figures

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Speaker 1: who got pickled. And this also reminds me of oh gosh,

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite historical anecdotes that's not been proven.

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Speaker 1: Have you guys ever heard of mellified men?

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Speaker 2: I think I have. Yeah, remind me though it's just

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Speaker 2: ringing a bell. It's the idea of man.

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Speaker 1: Using pickling and vinegar, use honey.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's right, yes, of course, yes, that's also a

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Speaker 2: good preservative. And it was used by the Egyptians as

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Speaker 2: well to like preserve organs of the pharaohs. I believe

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Speaker 2: oftentimes many times their organs were removed and stored in

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Speaker 2: jars of honey. Yeah. Right.

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Speaker 1: And the idea what the mellified man in particular, was

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Speaker 1: that you could through this process create some kind of

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Speaker 1: magic healing substance. To what you were saying earlier, though, Noel,

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Speaker 1: the idea of the idea of somehow preserving Frederick Barbarossa's body,

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Speaker 1: it's entirely because they really believe in the guy, you know,

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Speaker 1: and he is a He is more than a single

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Speaker 1: human being to them. He is a very powerful political

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Speaker 1: and geopolitical symbol, so so much so that he is

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Speaker 1: not buried in the same place. His flesh is at

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Speaker 1: the Church of Saint Peter and Antioch, his bones are

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Speaker 1: in a cathedral and tire, and his heart and inner

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Speaker 1: organs were put in tarsus. And I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know how you guys feel. I get it because

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Speaker 1: this is still the age of you know, the reliquary. Sure,

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Speaker 1: but but it feels, doesn't that feel.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna send you a liver like in your head

499
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Speaker 2: to the other like so much, or like a thing

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Speaker 2: you would do to as a show of threatening force

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Speaker 2: to an enemy.

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Speaker 1: Like anti vampire measures.

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Speaker 2: Also true, you gotta make sure they can't like crawl

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Speaker 2: their way to reassemble.

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Speaker 1: Right, There's no way he might be able to reach

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Speaker 1: his heart and inner organs and tarsus, but there's no

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Speaker 1: way he can crawl to the bones. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I I do under I do understand it.

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Speaker 1: But it also it does feel a bit off putting

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Speaker 1: in the modern day because now you start to think, Okay,

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Speaker 1: did someone in the government at the time have a

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Speaker 1: prioritized list of which city gets what?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like they had it like in advance, you know, like, okay, hey,

514
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Speaker 2: we called DIBs on the heart, right, we called dims shotgun. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's super weird. Yeah, I don't know. I've been thinking

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Speaker 2: a lot lately about just burial in general. I actually

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Speaker 2: meant to bring this up, or maybe all will on

518
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Speaker 2: our next episode. But in strange news on stuff that

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00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: I want you to know, I found a story about

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Speaker 2: how I believe in the UK they are running out

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Speaker 2: of burial like real estate, and so some of the

522
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Speaker 2: like more let's call them vintage graves, they're considering reusing them.

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Speaker 2: It just really makes you think about what it takes

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Speaker 2: to bury remains and what a toll it takes on

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Speaker 2: available land. There isn't like an indefinite amount of the stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And that's why some cultures, depending on their

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Speaker 1: dominant spiritual belief systems, that's why they may practice even

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Speaker 1: mass graves, or they may practice you know, normalization of cremation.

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Speaker 2: Big fan of cremation here, Please burn me when I'm serious. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 2: absolutely no, not for me, No, okay, fair enough. Both

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Speaker 2: of my parents were cremated. It just I think it's

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00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 2: an economical and practical solution. You're right, religious beliefs and

533
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Speaker 2: various beliefs in the afterlife, and the prerequisites of entering

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Speaker 2: such certainly come into play.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, that's a big.

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Speaker 2: Part of it.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that, because the some of the

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Speaker 1: big determining factors there are what you have to do

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Speaker 1: according to your spiritual of course school of thought. Right,

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Speaker 1: so there are specific rules and regulations and covenants about

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Speaker 1: how somebody has to get buried. I will say, since

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Speaker 1: we are talking about we are talking about royal deaths,

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Speaker 1: one of the most fascinating funeral practices that we've learned

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Speaker 1: about is the Tibetan practice of sky burial.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, remind us about that one a little bit. Bennett's

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Speaker 2: I just need.

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Speaker 1: To refrash you're gonna feel the way about this that

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Speaker 1: I feel about cremation. Just for context, sky burial is

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Speaker 1: where you take so Tibet has a very is very

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Speaker 1: highly elevated right up in the mountains. And here's what

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Speaker 1: happens in sky burial. A human corpse is placed high

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Speaker 1: on a mountaintop and it decomposes while exposed to the elements,

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Speaker 1: and it is eaten by corvids and vultures.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm.

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00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's burial.

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Speaker 2: No, thank you. I don't think you'd like it. Yeah,

557
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 2: the idea of being picked to picked that by vultures

558
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: and eagles and such is pretty terrifying to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so creation, how are we going to save it?

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00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 2: Folks?

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Speaker 1: Spoiler we are we are not. We want to again

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Speaker 1: thank everybody for tuning in. We have had a lot

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Speaker 1: of macabre fun with ridiculous royal deaths. There may be

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Speaker 1: some more on the way. We are going to We

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Speaker 1: are going to focus for a little bit on finishing

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Speaker 1: our cartoonishly unnecessary and overly ambitious plan to do an

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Speaker 1: episode about every state in the organ there though. We're

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Speaker 1: so I can't believe we've even pulled this off this far.

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Speaker 2: Same and thanks Max for cataloging our journey and keeping

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Speaker 2: us on track.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we would have done just like Florida fifty times.

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Speaker 3: Accidentally, Yeah, you guys have like already done like Florida

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Speaker 3: fifty times.

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Speaker 2: But I mean it's not y'all's fault.

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Speaker 3: It's I mean, Florida is just great for producing ridiculous history, not.

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Speaker 2: Going on there. And also our thoughts are with the

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Speaker 2: people of Florida, not to make light of the current

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Speaker 2: disasters that they have experienced.

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Speaker 1: Yes, stay safe, folks, please do Obviously, we have a

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Speaker 1: lot of friends and family in the area and who

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Speaker 1: have been affected by the recent hurricanes. We hope this

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Speaker 1: episode finds you well and at the very least has

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Speaker 1: provided a bit of a fun distraction from the current events.

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Speaker 1: We also have an episode We're cooking up with waffle House.

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Speaker 1: We haven't written the waffle House. This is completely off

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Speaker 1: the books as far as they're concerned.

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00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 2: We're just fans and we're else the fans of something

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Speaker 2: called the waffle House Index, which is a way of

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Speaker 2: measuring how serious a weather event might be.

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Speaker 1: It's so weird because it's technically unofficial, but everybody use

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Speaker 1: Everybody uses it because waffle House is a don't stop,

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Speaker 1: won't stop kind of operation. So if the waffle House

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Speaker 1: is closing, that's really your canary and the climate coal mine.

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Speaker 2: Huge thanks to Max Williams, who is our super producer

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Speaker 2: and research associate extraordinaire on this episode.

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Speaker 1: Big big thanks to our composer, mister Alex Williams. Yes, folks,

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Speaker 1: they are related. And on that note, big thanks to

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Speaker 1: brother Dan Soft aj Bahamas Jacobs.

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Speaker 2: Those Dan Soft business.

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Speaker 1: Brother Dan Soft.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, we'll explain off air. Cool.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, we'll have little little secret for you ridiculous histories.

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Speaker 1: If you want to fight out more about that, you're

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Speaker 1: going to apt to tune in to our next episodes

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Speaker 1: as we as we sketch out the lore. Oh, Jonathan Strickler.

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Speaker 2: Of course, the quister Chris Frasciotis needs Jeff cos here

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Speaker 2: in spirit in ben Hues. Thanks to you, buddy, and.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to you man. Here's to avoiding at least some

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Speaker 1: of these ridiculous deaths ourselves.

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Speaker 2: Man, Get on the hope. We'll see you next time, folks.

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